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| 02:38.56 | _is_ | Hello there |
| 02:40.04 | _is_ | j/ #pasimaa |
| 02:41.53 | _is_ | somebody here? |
| 02:42.03 | anth | yup. |
| 02:45.02 | _is_ | oh, anth well Im new here in this channel, I want start participe in someone project of gsoc |
| 02:46.29 | _is_ | Im webdesigner and programing in php do you know if somebody here have a project in this tecnology? |
| 02:47.13 | jasebo | _is_ checkout www.limesurvey.org |
| 02:47.29 | anth | i'm not sure, although i imagine so. |
| 02:47.56 | _is_ | jasebo, well, do you if one projetc what I have start alone can be participe in gsoc? |
| 02:48.12 | jasebo | also sahana has a php branch |
| 02:48.38 | _is_ | jasebo where are u from? |
| 02:48.42 | jasebo | first you have to wait to see which projects are included.. limesurvey & sahana were included last year |
| 02:48.45 | jasebo | !timeline |
| 02:48.45 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 02:48.56 | jasebo | I'm from LimeSurvye |
| 02:48.59 | jasebo | LimeSurvey |
| 02:49.22 | jasebo | then have a look at their websites, and their GSoC ideas pages for more information |
| 02:50.08 | ojwb | !orgsbylang |
| 02:50.08 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 02:50.21 | ojwb | that shows *last year's* orgs, categorised by language |
| 02:50.21 | _is_ | humm, well, I have started a project around 2 years ago, and I have some ideias to complete it, is a relationship website |
| 02:50.30 | _is_ | can you see www.kuvatis.com |
| 02:51.23 | _is_ | the first prost of this site when I do, is do a website better the orkut when orkut have started, so I have stoped beause I do it alone, and have no more time to finish them |
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| 02:54.04 | jasebo | if you apply to one of the GSoC organisations to do a project, you would present your skills and history to those people in your application |
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| 02:57.56 | _is_ | Hum, undestend, well, about the traduction of Limesurvey to portuguese, how is made it? |
| 02:58.13 | _is_ | becouse have some error of portuguese there |
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| 02:59.22 | jasebo | you mean the website translations? They're done by our wonderful translation volunteers |
| 02:59.48 | jasebo | Feel free to email us corrections :-) |
| 03:00.15 | _is_ | hum great, have just a little error of portugues :) |
| 03:00.24 | _is_ | ah ok, I will do it ;) |
| 03:00.35 | _is_ | what email I can send? |
| 03:00.50 | _is_ | sorry what coutry you are? |
| 03:03.12 | jasebo | send to translations[at]limesurvey.org ... I'm Australian |
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| 03:07.16 | _is_ | jasebo, ok;) I will do that, thanx to help |
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| 04:09.06 | siva | lol |
| 04:09.11 | Conan_Kudo | ... |
| 04:10.03 | siva | Are there any orgs that takes new persons? |
| 04:10.27 | Catfish_Man | all of them? |
| 04:10.31 | anth | sure, i think pretty much all orgs will take applications from new people. |
| 04:11.21 | siva | anth: Could please spell some of them? |
| 04:11.36 | siva | Catfish_Man: not all orgs, i think |
| 04:12.01 | Catfish_Man | well, depends on what you mean by new |
| 04:12.07 | Catfish_Man | if you mean "new to that organization", then all of them |
| 04:12.11 | siva | Catfish_Man: Some require more research before applying! |
| 04:12.14 | Catfish_Man | if you mean "new to programming", not so much |
| 04:12.24 | anth | the accepted orgs haven't been announced yet, so there's no official list. |
| 04:12.33 | siva | Catfish_Man: new to open source |
| 04:12.53 | Dark_Shikari | siva: imagine the paradox here |
| 04:13.10 | Dark_Shikari | if organizations didn't accept people new to open source, how did the people in that organization get involved in open source? ;) |
| 04:13.27 | siva | anth: yes, i know..can you tell the last years orgs which has taken new bies? |
| 04:13.47 | Dark_Shikari | all of them? |
| 04:14.26 | siva | Dark_Shikari: some require huge research :-( |
| 04:14.28 | anth | i can't reliably say that every org accepted a student without a previous involvement with them, but it's certainly the norm. |
| 04:14.48 | anth | oh, sure, they'll require you to work for it. |
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| 04:16.50 | siva | Dark_Shikari: let me a say an example, a new programmer who has skills say(who hasn't experienced real time programming) and can produce just some code of single file, Could any organization takes such people? |
| 04:17.31 | Conan_Kudo | siva: that seems to be the aim of the GSoC |
| 04:18.58 | siva | Conan_Kudo: If so how such a person one can understand the project and how can he able to produce patches? |
| 04:19.14 | Conan_Kudo | usually, that's what the mentors are for |
| 04:19.18 | Dark_Shikari | mentors + effort |
| 04:19.20 | siva | Conan_Kudo: Some orgs show tickets to solve, i think! |
| 04:19.24 | Catfish_Man | siva: if you're working at the scale of one file projects, you probably don't have enough experience |
| 04:19.48 | Dark_Shikari | experience doesn't matter, what matters is ability and willingness to put in effort |
| 04:19.56 | Dark_Shikari | if you want things force-fed to you via tickets, you probably don't have either |
| 04:20.11 | siva | Catfish_Man: yes i mean new, in this sense! |
| 04:20.24 | Dark_Shikari | siva: you should probably take more than one week of programming before applying to gsoc, yes |
| 04:21.26 | siva | Dark_Shikari: you mean, to get in touch with mentors and do some code? |
| 04:22.25 | Dark_Shikari | no, I mean do more in school than editing one-file programs |
| 04:23.17 | siva | Dark_Shikari: how come a project is assigned to such new one's, i mean on what basis? |
| 04:23.24 | siva | Dark_Shikari: ok |
| 04:24.04 | jasebo | siva, each organisation decides it's own way of selecting students. No-one here can answer a question about every other project. They'll only know the answer to the one they're part of |
| 04:25.14 | Conan_Kudo | and on top of it, Organizations haven't been picked yet |
| 04:26.29 | pauloricardomg | man, if you're good and you're enthusiastic and do a good project, you're in |
| 04:26.51 | siva | jasebo: ok.. |
| 04:27.21 | pauloricardomg | you need to get involved somehow with the organization, and prove them you're the best to do that |
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| 04:27.48 | Conan_Kudo | and of course, actually work on code |
| 04:29.26 | pauloricardomg | I would guess 60% are new, 40% were already involved somehow |
| 04:29.35 | pauloricardomg | I'm not sure at all, just a random guess :P |
| 04:29.47 | siva | pauloricardomg: ok.. :D |
| 04:30.43 | _is_ | How decide in the organization, who what student will enter in the project or no? |
| 04:30.49 | _is_ | who* |
| 04:31.19 | jasebo | it all depends on the organisation... it may be all the mentors vote on students, or maybe just one person makes a choice |
| 04:31.23 | Conan_Kudo | depends on org |
| 04:31.46 | _is_ | ahh |
| 04:31.59 | jasebo | 1) find a project or projects you are interested in |
| 04:32.05 | _is_ | if the mentor know my job can do it point in some projetc? |
| 04:32.06 | jasebo | 2) learn about them, chat with other developers |
| 04:32.14 | _is_ | humm |
| 04:32.16 | jasebo | 3) ask them what you want to know |
| 04:33.17 | _is_ | all student in projetc have work with code, or can be in design too? |
| 04:33.38 | jbourne | hello |
| 04:33.43 | jasebo | code |
| 04:33.54 | jbourne | is there any mentor from NMap?? |
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| 04:35.01 | _is_ | for who I can introduce a new projetc? |
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| 04:35.45 | jasebo | _is_ visit the organisation you are interested in and have a look at their GSoC pages |
| 04:36.20 | jasebo | but it's probably sensible to wait until after Friday, because Google haven't announced which organisations are getting student places this year yet |
| 04:37.01 | Conan_Kudo | though nothing stops you from working with the orgs you want anyway |
| 04:37.20 | _is_ | In this I have to send the ideia of project firts to the google and later wait if they will publish a lits of projets? |
| 04:37.48 | Catfish_Man | no |
| 04:38.35 | _is_ | so I have to enter in only projetc was running? |
| 04:38.46 | siva | jbourne: move to #nmap |
| 04:39.20 | jasebo | _is_ you talk directly to the organisation you want to work with |
| 04:39.34 | jasebo | google do the funding, the organisations do the selecting of students, and the choosing of projects |
| 04:40.37 | _is_ | So I cant start a new projetc? just enter in project and maybe later do one? |
| 04:40.42 | ojwb | the only point at which google will get involved with choosing projects is if a student is accepted by two orgs, and they can't agree amongst themselves who should have him/her |
| 04:40.47 | ojwb | and they really prefer not to |
| 04:40.54 | jasebo | no, you have to do coding related to one of the organisations |
| 04:41.27 | pitz | ummm.. if you have an original idea, you can submit your application with 'google' as the sponsor. |
| 04:41.47 | pitz | apparently they take 5-6 proposals a year through such a route. |
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| 04:41.59 | jasebo | pitz: I didn't know that :-) |
| 04:42.05 | pitz | its in the FAQ somewhere |
| 04:42.31 | pauloricardomg | !faq |
| 04:42.31 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 04:44.26 | pitz | do other companies have a similar version of this? like "Yahoo Winter of Scripting"? |
| 04:44.39 | pitz | lol |
| 04:45.26 | pauloricardomg | hahaha :P |
| 04:46.59 | creek23 | theres one |
| 04:47.10 | creek23 | Microsoft Fall of Codes |
| 04:47.20 | creek23 | eek! |
| 04:49.16 | _is_ | I back tomorrow, will read more about this to do other questions, see ya \o |
| 04:50.10 | siva | creek23: Is that too Open source? |
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| 04:50.51 | pitz | creek, but let me guess, its somehow pronounced "Microsoft Fail of Codes"?? :P |
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| 04:53.33 | creek23 | pitz: LOL |
| 04:53.38 | creek23 | uh-huh. |
| 04:53.39 | creek23 | :D |
| 04:53.51 | pitz | (and its a year-round ordeal!) |
| 04:54.37 | creek23 | siva: possibly yeah, since they have CodePlex but theres no such event. :) |
| 04:54.52 | creek23 | pitz: ROFL |
| 04:55.08 | creek23 | more like Microsoft Fall of Vista |
| 04:55.16 | creek23 | :P |
| 04:55.41 | siva | creek23: no such event means, isn't there at all? |
| 04:56.21 | creek23 | not sure if Microsoft will invest like Google does to support FOSS communities. |
| 04:57.16 | creek23 | as for MS Fall of Codes? I made that up. :D |
| 04:57.35 | creek23 | if youre not sure, google it :P |
| 05:00.03 | siva | creek23: ok |
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| 05:13.33 | [mharrison] | Landon, PING |
| 05:13.43 | Landon | [mharrison]: reply! |
| 05:14.03 | [mharrison] | Landon, good day, sir! |
| 05:15.15 | Landon | [mharrison]: would you like a bullet fired at you this fine midnight? |
| 05:16.39 | [mharrison] | Post-haste! Tis already after 1, I'm afraid |
| 05:17.27 | Landon | Alas, we will ahve to make this quick, lest we rouse the rabble |
| 05:17.57 | [mharrison] | wat |
| 05:18.02 | [mharrison] | Wait! I messed up |
| 05:18.17 | Landon | ha! |
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| 07:14.18 | LetterRip_ | brlcad - clever idea :) |
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| 07:15.06 | brlcad | LetterRip_: hm? |
| 07:15.20 | LetterRip_ | having your project name as your name |
| 07:15.28 | brlcad | ah |
| 07:15.52 | brlcad | I've used this name for many years |
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| 07:21.51 | dholbach | good morning |
| 07:22.11 | ihalip | morning |
| 07:23.28 | LingKun | In China we will say good afternoon now :) |
| 07:24.11 | LetterRip_ | in Alaska good evening :) |
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| 07:37.45 | mlankhorst | er |
| 07:38.14 | thebolt | Hi mlankhorst :) |
| 07:41.36 | mlankhorst | hoi |
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| 15:03.05 | kai | man, using mercurial after getting used to git is weird |
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| 15:05.14 | lut4rp | kai, ha :D |
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| 15:08.51 | kai | it seems like mercurial has no staging area, and I also miss add --interactive |
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| 15:26.18 | lut4rp | hg folks are strongly *against* the staging area. |
| 15:26.39 | lut4rp | which is kinda weird, you could just ignore it in git and work too. |
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| 15:26.49 | Conan_Kudo | Personally, I don't see a real benefit to a staging area |
| 15:26.56 | Conan_Kudo | you could just branch in hg and work from there |
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| 15:27.03 | lut4rp | that's not the point. |
| 15:27.11 | lut4rp | branch :o that's totally not the point |
| 15:27.35 | Conan_Kudo | staging is for experimental stuff, right? |
| 15:27.40 | lut4rp | no |
| 15:27.45 | Conan_Kudo | .... |
| 15:27.51 | Conan_Kudo | then WHAT IS IT FOR? |
| 15:27.52 | lut4rp | that's stash, if that's what you're confusing with. |
| 15:27.52 | anth | t |
| 15:27.57 | Conan_Kudo | ahh |
| 15:28.06 | Conan_Kudo | so then what is staging for? |
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| 15:28.34 | lut4rp | A sort of area where "I've done this much and I'll just move it to the corner of the desk till I completely tackle it" |
| 15:28.57 | lut4rp | lots of things happen when you stage, like the file stops showing up in diffs. |
| 15:29.11 | lut4rp | you can do incremental commits. |
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| 15:29.32 | Conan_Kudo | O.o |
| 15:29.37 | Conan_Kudo | incremental commits? |
| 15:29.51 | Conan_Kudo | wut? |
| 15:30.12 | lut4rp | If I'm right, different parts of the same file in different commits |
| 15:30.28 | lut4rp | hg instead has complete changesets. |
| 15:30.35 | Conan_Kudo | right |
| 15:30.52 | Conan_Kudo | but you can commit as many times as you want |
| 15:30.57 | Conan_Kudo | and as much as you want |
| 15:31.02 | lut4rp | true |
| 15:31.12 | lut4rp | but if I have a 10K line file |
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| 15:31.22 | lut4rp | and I have areas where I changed 500 lines each, in 10 places |
| 15:31.35 | lut4rp | I really don't want them in the same commit, git allows you to be *that* flexible |
| 15:32.20 | peppe | ... does a SCM that doesn't allow you to commit as many times as you want really exist? |
| 15:32.26 | Conan_Kudo | yes actually |
| 15:32.40 | lut4rp | really? lol |
| 15:32.49 | Conan_Kudo | If I remember correctly, Perforce can limit how many times a person can commit |
| 15:32.54 | lut4rp | :O |
| 15:33.04 | peppe | to prevent people from working too much? |
| 15:33.12 | Conan_Kudo | well, Perforce is centralized |
| 15:33.18 | Conan_Kudo | each commit automatically goes back to the server |
| 15:33.29 | Conan_Kudo | so basically to prevent server overloading |
| 15:33.35 | lut4rp | woah. |
| 15:33.41 | peppe | IM IN UR SCM LIMITIN UR COMMITS |
| 15:33.46 | lut4rp | lawly |
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| 15:34.11 | Conan_Kudo | it's not productive if you SCM has a trawl through all the commits sent in by 1000+ people and it freezes up because it runs out of parsing memory |
| 15:34.23 | lut4rp | IIRC, Google uses Perforce :) |
| 15:34.24 | Conan_Kudo | s/you/your/ |
| 15:34.34 | Conan_Kudo | Google has massive systems in place too :) |
| 15:34.39 | lut4rp | true |
| 15:34.42 | Conan_Kudo | not everybody has massive systems |
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| 15:35.03 | Conan_Kudo | I wonder about Google's sanity in using Perforce too |
| 15:35.17 | lut4rp | the word might be "legacy" |
| 15:35.18 | Conan_Kudo | I've been forced to work with Perforce and I'm not happy with it at all |
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| 15:35.39 | Conan_Kudo | well, thankfully Mercurial can import Perforce repositories |
| 15:35.47 | Conan_Kudo | and sync back with Perforce if necessary |
| 15:35.50 | lut4rp | Companies here use ClearCase. |
| 15:35.51 | lut4rp | :S |
| 15:35.56 | Conan_Kudo | IBM's stuff? |
| 15:36.00 | lut4rp | err, some companies* |
| 15:36.01 | lut4rp | yes |
| 15:36.02 | Conan_Kudo | that's even worse :X |
| 15:36.07 | lut4rp | yeah :S |
| 15:36.23 | Conan_Kudo | at least Perforce is lightweight |
| 15:36.29 | Conan_Kudo | ClearCase is a HEAVY system |
| 15:36.39 | lut4rp | You could mod the xkcd comic to say "Don't slack!", "We're not slacking, our code is being committed" |
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| 15:37.15 | Conan_Kudo | what makes me really unhappy about Perforce is that I can't use Haiku OS with it |
| 15:37.28 | lut4rp | you use Haiku? O_o |
| 15:37.35 | Conan_Kudo | sometimes, yeah |
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| 15:37.46 | Conan_Kudo | it's fast on a remote connection |
| 15:37.49 | Conan_Kudo | unlike Windows |
| 15:37.56 | lut4rp | One of my best friends was a part of the Haiku Code Drive last year :) |
| 15:38.02 | Conan_Kudo | cool :) |
| 15:38.03 | lut4rp | its *blazing fast* |
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| 15:38.10 | Conan_Kudo | yeah |
| 15:38.15 | Conan_Kudo | though it is starting to slow down |
| 15:38.19 | Conan_Kudo | that could be a good or bad thing |
| 15:38.32 | lut4rp | hrm |
| 15:40.10 | Conan_Kudo | does Git support import/export of centralized SCMs like Perforce? |
| 15:40.23 | Conan_Kudo | because I might use Git to set up a CVS server |
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| 15:40.47 | lut4rp | There is support for cvs and svn. |
| 15:40.57 | lut4rp | Dunno about the rest. |
| 15:40.57 | Conan_Kudo | Git can act as an SVN server? |
| 15:41.12 | lut4rp | Conan_Kudo, would be best to check :) I'm really not sure. |
| 15:41.33 | lut4rp | I've used git with cvs personally, never used svn anywhere. |
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| 15:42.48 | Conan_Kudo | Git can import Perforce, but it needs Perforce installed :( |
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| 15:58.42 | kai | Conan_Kudo: the thing I'd have wanted a staging area for was the following scenario... |
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| 15:59.37 | kai | Conan_Kudo: I just started working at a new job, where I have to develop on a bunch of perl and shell scripts. |
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| 16:00.55 | kai | so while I was trying to get the scripts to run for me, I noticed a couple of things I had to fix, until finally the master script "runPipeline" completed.. |
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| 16:01.13 | kai | now I wanted to commit all the changes in logical patch-sets |
| 16:01.56 | kai | in git that's easy as even changes to tracked files are not staged until you add them manually, so you can just git add files that you want git to pick up changes from and then commit those |
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| 16:03.11 | kai | in mercurial, I could now simulate my workflow by using hg revert on all files I didn't want to commit, and then do "mv $file.orig $file; hg ci" for files I was ready to commit now |
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| 16:04.00 | kai | luckily I didn't need only parts of the changes in one file in a separate commit yet, or I'd probably be in for more work |
| 16:04.39 | kai | arguably my workflow is still adapted to git, and I should have commited changes right away while I was doing them |
| 16:05.00 | kai | however, I like being able to make sure my changes work before committing them |
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| 16:16.37 | Conan_Kudo | kai: I usually have two repositories: one that is live (where I work directly in), and one that I push to that automatically pushes to the master repo |
| 16:16.45 | Conan_Kudo | that way I can work on it live and commit the changes |
| 16:17.08 | Conan_Kudo | and when its ready, I push the changeset up to master |
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| 16:53.31 | zooko | Does anyone have an example of a really well-organized Ideas Page that I can emulate? |
| 16:53.44 | zooko | I've been emulating the NetBSD one, but I was wondering if there are other examples of good Ideas Pages. |
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| 17:08.10 | yevlempy | Do we have to build any student profile page if we are applying for this years GSOC, and if yes. Can i get the link |
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| 17:17.11 | yevlempy | edsiper, i was pointed to http://socghop.appspot.com/ |
| 17:17.37 | edsiper | yevlempy, ahh , i thought you were looking for and app form or similar |
| 17:18.34 | yevlempy | edsiper, naah, just was going through the mails and i too figured that only but that is not the case it seems |
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| 17:53.05 | spectie | hey carols |
| 17:53.10 | spectie | thanks again for the flyer upload |
| 17:53.12 | carols | hey spectie |
| 17:55.07 | carols | you're quite welcome spectie |
| 17:55.09 | carols | happy to help |
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| 19:33.00 | zooko | en |
| 19:33.07 | zooko | Oops. |
| 19:34.06 | zooko | Folks, if anybody wants to see our GSoC ideas page for the Tahoe-LAFS project it is here: http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/wiki/GSoCIdeas |
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| 19:34.19 | FlavioFerreiraBR | who is of Brazil ? |
| 19:34.20 | zooko | You could look for cross-over projects which would combine Tahoe-LAFS with your open source project, for example. |
| 19:34.37 | zooko | Or just contribute feedback about our GSoC Ideas as a favor. :-) |
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| 19:37.44 | spectie | hey |
| 19:38.48 | spectie | zooko, looks pretty decent |
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| 19:42.29 | zooko | spectie: thanks! |
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| 19:45.47 | edsiper | !timeline |
| 19:45.47 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 19:46.01 | edsiper | !next |
| 19:46.01 | socinfo | "next" is March 18th ~19:00 UTC: List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2010 site. |
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| 19:47.25 | borja | hey spectie |
| 19:47.28 | borja | how goes it? |
| 19:47.35 | spectie | hey |
| 19:47.35 | spectie | good thanks! |
| 19:47.36 | spectie | you? |
| 19:47.48 | borja | pretty good |
| 19:47.57 | borja | a few months away from changing my nick to dr.borja |
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| 19:48.35 | spectie | :D |
| 19:48.36 | spectie | cool! |
| 19:48.45 | spectie | i've a couple of years left yet |
| 19:48.48 | spectie | but i found at least part of my thesis topic |
| 19:49.07 | borja | awesome |
| 19:49.37 | borja | that was probably the hardest part of my PhD... once I found a topic and had something to obsess about, it was mostly just lots of hacking and writing from that point |
| 19:49.39 | spectie | supposed to be working on it today |
| 19:49.42 | spectie | but am so tired |
| 19:49.45 | spectie | yeah |
| 19:49.57 | spectie | i'm hoping to cover a couple of things |
| 19:50.05 | spectie | but i don't know if i'll have time |
| 19:51.25 | borja | our graduate committe chair tells us that "you start graduate school with a vision of 'my dissertation: the movie' and you end graduate school with 'my dissertation: the pretty good short story.'" |
| 19:51.47 | spectie | lol |
| 19:51.49 | spectie | yeah |
| 19:52.00 | borja | I probably have ended up with only about 60-70% of the wild fantasies I had about what my dissertation would accomplish |
| 19:52.02 | spectie | "my thesis: another drop in the pond" |
| 19:52.44 | borja | yeah, another breakthrough for me was coming to terms with the fact that my dissertation wasn't meant to be some research magnum opus, but rather my first serious scholarly work |
| 19:53.18 | borja | doesn't hurt to have lofty goals, though |
| 19:53.19 | spectie | i have a lot of problem with staying focussed |
| 19:53.28 | spectie | so many things i want to play with |
| 19:53.35 | borja | nods solemnly |
| 19:53.58 | spectie | the stuff i've done peripheral to my main research dwarfs it quite substantially |
| 19:54.24 | spectie | "here is my thesis (80 pages) and here is the stuff i was doing when i was procrastinating (800 pages)" |
| 19:54.36 | borja | Fortunately, I ended up working with people who not only encouraged but demanded that I publish my work as an open source project |
| 19:54.40 | spectie | nice! |
| 19:54.44 | borja | so I get to satisfy both my research and coding urges |
| 19:54.45 | spectie | yep, same here |
| 19:55.21 | spectie | borja, are you applying to mentor again this year ? |
| 19:56.08 | borja | Globus is applying again and, if accepted, I'll be admining for them again. |
| 19:56.12 | spectie | cool |
| 19:56.31 | spectie | i'll be backup admin for Apertium if we get in again |
| 19:56.48 | borja | There's another project, OpenNebula, that I'm involved with that has applied. If they're accepted, I might mentor for them because their work is more closely related to my dissertation. |
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| 19:58.11 | spectie | nice |
| 20:00.33 | spectie | brb, going to grab a coffee to see if it wakes me up |
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| 21:14.13 | pygi | folks :D |
| 21:14.15 | pygi | wake up :D |
| 21:14.21 | pygi | ajuonline, poke :D |
| 21:14.36 | kblin | hello, sir :) |
| 21:14.45 | spectie | hey pygi ! |
| 21:14.56 | pygi | uh, I know both of you! |
| 21:15.01 | pygi | hi spectie, kblin! :) |
| 21:15.03 | kblin | you seem bored :) |
| 21:15.17 | pygi | me?! Never :D |
| 21:15.39 | pygi | how can burning be boring xD |
| 21:15.46 | kblin | :) |
| 21:15.46 | borja | wakes up |
| 21:16.08 | pygi | too much of burning for me :D |
| 21:16.18 | pygi | kblin, spectie : what's up? How's life? Long time no bug :D |
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| 21:16.30 | spectie | good thanks |
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| 21:17.53 | kblin | pygi: great. just started with a new job at university, going towards a phd in microbiology |
| 21:18.05 | pygi | kblin, sigh, you're just too smart for me xD |
| 21:19.38 | kblin | dunno, I just started there, didn't feel too smart in the first seminar :) |
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| 21:20.30 | pygi | kblin, if I tell you, then it must be true :p |
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| 21:44.27 | schumaml | kicks the melange docs system |
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| 21:46.20 | schumaml | the rich text editor make promises about the layout that saving doesn't keep |
| 21:46.33 | schumaml | and this destroys my ideas list |
| 21:47.22 | smtms | what's the connection between ideas list and melange? |
| 21:48.31 | Ivanovic | there should be zero connection... |
| 21:49.30 | thebolt | seems to me that the problem thenis that someone tries to make a connection where none is intended ;) |
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| 21:49.38 | borja | I think you are given the option to create your ideas list as a "document" in Melange |
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| 21:51.58 | schumaml | exactly |
| 21:53.00 | schumaml | and the initial version did appear as expected |
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| 21:54.34 | pygi | kblin, wanna pass some papers for me? :P |
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| 22:02.56 | skyred | did Android submit an organization application for gsoc? |
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| 22:03.55 | robbyoconnor | skyred: ask android. |
| 22:04.03 | robbyoconnor | #android |
| 22:04.11 | skyred | lol |
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| 22:05.05 | aepstein824 | I'm new to IRC and GSoC, is this the place to ask questions? |
| 22:05.42 | Catfish_Man | generally speaking, yes |
| 22:06.16 | aepstein824 | ok cool |
| 22:06.29 | aepstein824 | and will a lot of people asked questions here? |
| 22:06.53 | smtms | aepstein824, you are the first one this year |
| 22:07.03 | Catfish_Man | lol |
| 22:07.04 | kblin | pygi: a bit busy right now :) |
| 22:07.07 | borja | heh |
| 22:07.09 | Catfish_Man | aepstein824: hundreds |
| 22:07.12 | aepstein824 | do I get a medal? |
| 22:07.15 | pygi | kblin, its ok, I need it next week :D |
| 22:07.22 | borja | aepstein824: you may want to check if your question is already answered in the GSoC FAQ |
| 22:07.25 | borja | !faq |
| 22:07.25 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 22:08.52 | aepstein824 | Ok, I thought I had read the FAQ, but I didn't read it carefully enough. Thanks guys |
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| 22:15.32 | kblin | pygi: how about I kickban you here so you have more time to work on your papers? |
| 22:15.51 | pygi | kblin, no :( I'll stop talking about papers, if that's why you want to ban me :-/ |
| 22:15.55 | Landon | o.O |
| 22:15.58 | Landon | this channel is harsh |
| 22:16.02 | Landon | thank god I'm caught up with homework |
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| 22:18.05 | ReDucTor | anyone know how GSoC payments work for students in australia? will they affect centrelink and how tax works? |
| 22:22.35 | borja | ReDucTor: This is from last year, but might be helpful: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentinfo |
| 22:23.22 | borja | ReDucTor: I don't know about Australia specifically, but my understanding is that students have to report their GSoC income to the tax authority in their country |
| 22:23.55 | ReDucTor | ok |
| 22:24.05 | ReDucTor | now i just gotta find an australian that knows how it affects centrelink |
| 22:24.14 | smtms | what's centrelink? |
| 22:25.09 | ReDucTor | social security |
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| 22:26.01 | pygi | Landon, yea evil people :( |
| 22:28.09 | borja | ReDucTor: it might be helpful to talk with someone who know about the implications of getting income from foreign sources (not just specifically from GSoC). There might also be a tax treaty between Australia and the US that exempts you from paying certain taxes. |
| 22:28.26 | borja | <- Exempt from paying lots of taxes the first 5 years he lived in the US. |
| 22:28.45 | pitz | how'd ya swing that? |
| 22:29.14 | pitz | yeah you file a W-8BEN.. the IRS still withholds 15%-30% of your US income, but then you might be able to claim some of it back from your local authorities |
| 22:29.19 | ReDucTor | ya I might do that, i've got a mate that is studying tax might see what he knows |
| 22:29.36 | pitz | although in Canada, if you're a student and don't have any other income, then you don't get foreign income tax deducted refunded |
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| 22:30.22 | pitz | you might also be able to deduct some of your computing related expenses since you're not an 'employee' of Google per se... |
| 22:30.22 | borja | pitz: in my case the tax treaty between Spain and the US specified that the first $5,000 of income every year where tax-exempt |
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| 22:30.47 | pitz | from such income, for the purposes of an income calculation |
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| 22:30.50 | borja | pitz: I'm pretty sure I also didn't pay any social security taxes, although I'm pretty sure that has more to do with my immigration status |
| 22:30.52 | ReDucTor | true, should be able to deduct some |
| 22:31.49 | jasebo | !timeline |
| 22:31.49 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 22:31.50 | mlankhorst | hah, 2 interfaces with identical mac address = win :p |
| 22:32.11 | pitz | mlankhorst: what kind of lameness is that?? lol |
| 22:33.00 | mlankhorst | wired network is routed through another guy, so now it fell back t owireleess |
| 22:33.08 | ReDucTor | mlankhorst, its funnier when its two different machines with same mac (surposedly impossible), ran into that at my old work place |
| 22:33.32 | mlankhorst | of course i should use bridging, but adding wireless adapter to bridge didn't work for some reason |
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| 22:35.46 | Dark_Shikari | !timeline |
| 22:35.46 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 22:40.24 | robbyoconnor | writes in hot freaking pink on the wall "READ THE FAQ BEFORE ASKING!" |
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| 22:42.28 | smtms | may I ask, where's the FAQ? :-P |
| 22:42.58 | Jeff_S | !faq |
| 22:42.58 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
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| 22:45.05 | kblin | pygi: I was kidding, but I'm really busy right now, so a bit laggy :) |
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| 22:46.00 | robbyoconnor | smtms: on a site which if you found this irc channel you should find the FAQ. |
| 22:46.21 | robbyoconnor | this isn't personal: but if you lack basic research skills, you probably shouldn't be doing this... |
| 22:46.22 | robbyoconnor | :/ |
| 22:46.24 | pauloricardomg | from: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentinfo#Proof_of_Enrollment_32699124570153504 |
| 22:46.35 | pauloricardomg | "a letter from a college or university stating that you had been accepted to attend on or before 20 April 2009" |
| 22:46.55 | robbyoconnor | an unofficial transcript or acceptance letter is fine |
| 22:46.55 | borja | pauloricardomg: that's from last year. The cutoff day this year is April 26 |
| 22:47.01 | pauloricardomg | I have a letter of acceptance stating that I was accepted to attend just in September |
| 22:47.05 | pauloricardomg | 2010 |
| 22:47.12 | pauloricardomg | am I eligible? |
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| 22:48.06 | robbyoconnor | pauloricardomg: are you registered? |
| 22:48.34 | robbyoconnor | (or will you by by the cut off date?) |
| 22:48.55 | pauloricardomg | as of now I just have the letter of acceptance |
| 22:49.11 | sreich | isn't that all you need? |
| 22:49.13 | pauloricardomg | I don't think I will be registered by the cut off date :/ |
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| 22:49.37 | sreich | could somebody define 'registered', for me? |
| 22:49.40 | jall | if you're not registered in april and only accepted in september i doubt you are eligible |
| 22:51.07 | borja | uhm... my understanding is that if you've been accepted into a program of study for the 2010/11 school year, what you have to be able to show is proof that you've been accepted (and that this proof has to be available before April 26) |
| 22:51.16 | borja | "Google defines a student as an individual enrolled in or accepted into an accredited institution including (but not necessarily limited to) colleges, universities, masters programs, PhD programs and undergraduate programs." |
| 22:51.44 | robbyoconnor | pauloricardomg: it's when the letter is dated that matters i think |
| 22:51.47 | borja | If you are "accepted into an accredited institution" on or before April 26, that sounds like the student is eligible |
| 22:51.57 | danderson | borja is correct. |
| 22:52.08 | borja | woo hoo! |
| 22:52.09 | pauloricardomg | yeah, that's my interpretation too |
| 22:52.31 | pauloricardomg | but I need an absolute interpretation, hehehe.. I don't want to find out I'm not eligible when I'm accepted :P |
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| 22:52.55 | sreich | okay, thought that was how it works.. |
| 22:53.45 | pauloricardomg | I will wait for lh and ask her |
| 22:54.17 | danderson | pauloricardomg: if you have some document from a university or other institution, which either says "you are currently a student", "you are enrolled", or "Congrats, you have been accepted, welcome", you're eligible |
| 22:54.41 | danderson | if you don't have one of these documents but can get one from an institution where you are enrolled/accepted, you are also eligible |
| 22:54.51 | danderson | if you have no proof of enrollment or acceptance, you are not eligible |
| 22:54.54 | danderson | does this clarify? |
| 22:55.03 | pauloricardomg | yep, everything. |
| 22:55.10 | jall | seems strange if you are accepted to start after summer of code you're eligible, but that appears to be the case, good to know |
| 22:55.44 | pauloricardomg | but I have finished my bachelor in December, and just start my master in September |
| 22:55.50 | pauloricardomg | so it's fair that I'm still considered a student |
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| 22:57.36 | c_schmitz_ | !timeline |
| 22:57.36 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 23:01.29 | dnk-88 | is it imortant that document (accepting of student) will be on english only? |
| 23:03.03 | pauloricardomg | dnk-88, it can be translated |
| 23:03.08 | smtms | dnk-88, it's too early to worry about it, but you can expect that the original + unoficcial translation will do |
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| 23:05.42 | dnk-88 | how can i get and send this document (text, picture, fax, mail) to u? |
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| 23:06.34 | borja | dnk-88: again, it's too early to worry about those details. Accepted students will get detailed instructions on how to submit any required documentation. |
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| 23:08.36 | smtms | dnk-88, you are not required to submit this document to apply |
| 23:08.47 | smtms | dnk-88, you only need to submit it if you get accepted |
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