| 00:01.16 | scorche | You will be able to edit your application once it has been submitted until the organization application deadline on March 12, 2010 at 23:00 UTC. |
| 00:01.41 | timClicks | scorche: again, I only cliked on the application link once |
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| 00:01.58 | timClicks | scorche: so I only read that two hours ago |
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| 00:02.17 | MatthewWilkes | timClicks: So how did you know the questions? |
| 00:02.21 | scorche | not even to get the questions? |
| 00:02.25 | timClicks | MatthewWilkes: I didn't exactly |
| 00:02.32 | timClicks | MatthewWilkes: I just used last years |
| 00:02.43 | scorche | sighs |
| 00:02.50 | Wolf_OSGeo | we also used last year's application as a basis |
| 00:02.51 | MatthewWilkes | Again, hard to find sympathy. |
| 00:03.00 | timClicks | MatthewWilkes: I'm not asking for sympathy :) |
| 00:03.06 | MatthewWilkes | Wolf_OSGeo: Yes, but you at least looked at the questions, surely! |
| 00:03.11 | timClicks | MatthewWilkes: I'm perfectly happy with the quality of the application |
| 00:03.48 | Wolf_OSGeo | MatthewWilkes: Sure, once we got the real questions we started editin furiously and submitted yesterday, just in case ;) |
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| 00:03.58 | MatthewWilkes | Wolf_OSGeo: :) |
| 00:04.01 | MatthewWilkes | spectie! |
| 00:04.12 | timClicks | actually, to be honest |
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| 00:04.29 | spectie | hey MatthewWilkes ! |
| 00:04.36 | timClicks | I was still asking last year's project to add me as an admin |
| 00:04.48 | timClicks | so that I could submit an application on behalf of them this year |
| 00:05.03 | scorche | listen...i think that the timeline could have been clearer and time should be extended, however there are a LOT of ways that this could have been avoided: not waiting until the last minute, using UTC as said in all announcements, reading things beforehand, using the ability to edit up till the deadline, etc |
| 00:05.12 | hnr | I've just got bitten by this |
| 00:05.18 | hnr | web page says 11pm |
| 00:05.22 | hnr | not UTC until later |
| 00:05.39 | hnr | just filled out mentoring organization application at length, but can't submit it. |
| 00:05.53 | Ivanovic | ehm, i read there a UTC time right from the start |
| 00:05.58 | bonti | the summer of code model clearly works, and there's no lack of merit in the vast majority -- if not all -- the applications, so maybe others should follow Google's lead and make the tent bigger. It's like $6000/project when you figure overhead, right? |
| 00:05.59 | scorche | hnr: eh? as in it only said 23:00 and no UTC? |
| 00:06.00 | [mharrison] | How is it, that in the 10+ years I've been using *nix, I have to look up how to make a shell alias every. single. time? |
| 00:06.02 | Ivanovic | that is: before they submission started on monday! |
| 00:06.09 | hnr | "Please complete this survey by Friday, 12. March 2010 11:00PM." |
| 00:06.18 | zooko | FWIW I got my application in a day or two early and then edited it until the last minute, so I'm doing fine, but I would be +1 on standardizing on UTC for all communications. |
| 00:06.19 | Ivanovic | !timeline |
| 00:06.19 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 00:06.28 | timClicks | [mharrison]: because life's good like that? |
| 00:06.35 | scorche | hnr: where is that? |
| 00:06.41 | Ivanovic | March 8: |
| 00:06.42 | Ivanovic | ~12 noon PST / 19:00 UTC |
| 00:06.53 | Ivanovic | Mentoring organizations can begin submitting applications to Google. |
| 00:06.54 | hnr | right at the top of the 'Mentoring Organization Application to GSoC 2010' |
| 00:06.57 | Ivanovic | March 12: |
| 00:06.58 | hnr | ^scorche: |
| 00:06.58 | Ivanovic | 4 PM PDT / 23:00 UTC |
| 00:07.00 | Ivanovic | Mentoring organization application deadline. |
| 00:07.21 | thiago | # LC_ALL=C date -u |
| 00:07.22 | thiago | Sat Mar 13 00:05:27 UTC 2010 |
| 00:07.30 | MatthewWilkes | hnr: Looks like a bad piece of copy in the *open source application* that powers the webapp. The timeline tells you when it was due, patches to fix this are welcome. |
| 00:07.34 | Ivanovic | the timeline was there all the time in the official timeline |
| 00:08.21 | Ivanovic | one important lecture for life: if you can still edit things, submit a draft ASAP and finetune later on! |
| 00:08.30 | Ivanovic | yes, life sucks and deadlines, too |
| 00:08.32 | MatthewWilkes | spectie: Did apertium apply this year? |
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| 00:08.34 | Ivanovic | timezones even more so |
| 00:08.35 | spectie | yep |
| 00:08.42 | spectie | we got our application in a day early |
| 00:08.43 | hnr | MatthewWilkes: thanks. the patch would be a little late now. like my application. |
| 00:08.45 | spectie | i insisted on it |
| 00:08.50 | ronaldo | anyone know how i can get an organization application in? |
| 00:08.53 | spectie | you can edit up to the deadline |
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| 00:09.02 | spectie | so it makes sense to be cautious :) |
| 00:09.05 | MatthewWilkes | ronaldo: You can't. It's an hour too late. |
| 00:09.16 | ronaldo | really? |
| 00:09.20 | ronaldo | no way? |
| 00:09.20 | spectie | yep |
| 00:09.21 | zooko | daylight savings time even *more* so. |
| 00:09.23 | spectie | 23:00 UTC |
| 00:09.30 | spectie | it says on the web |
| 00:09.31 | MatthewWilkes | Well, an hour and 9 minutes, actually. |
| 00:09.41 | ronaldo | pleaseee |
| 00:09.53 | brion | ronaldo, nobody running the program is actually in channel |
| 00:09.59 | ronaldo | damn |
| 00:10.07 | spectie | ronaldo, you missed the deadline |
| 00:10.12 | ronaldo | yeah i know |
| 00:10.15 | spectie | ronaldo, over 1,000 orgs apply |
| 00:10.22 | brion | if you tried to submit between 3pm and 4pm PST, trying to follow the "4pm PDT" deadline from the timeline, then you might want to post a reply at http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/a1a122d169998668 |
| 00:10.25 | spectie | ronaldo, better luck next year :) |
| 00:10.26 | ronaldo | we've been doing it since gsoc started |
| 00:10.34 | brion | if you were submitting after 4pm PST then it's just plain definitely too late |
| 00:10.44 | ronaldo | its 4:10 |
| 00:11.10 | ronaldo | the page was inactive |
| 00:11.12 | davidsansome | I just want to be loved |
| 00:11.15 | davidsansome | why wont you love me |
| 00:11.25 | ronaldo | i couldn't submit it |
| 00:11.34 | spectie | btw, it's pretty good that google made it 23h00 |
| 00:11.37 | spectie | instead of midnight |
| 00:11.38 | reece1 | Because you're 70 minutes late. Love has deadlines. |
| 00:11.48 | spectie | i hate it when people make deadlines midnight |
| 00:12.32 | brion | midnight deadlines are even more confusing than printing the wrong time zone :) |
| 00:12.41 | ronaldo | typical |
| 00:12.48 | spectie | not really |
| 00:12.50 | spectie | atypical ;) |
| 00:12.57 | MatthewWilkes | spectie: Yes, makes the dates really confusing. |
| 00:13.07 | brion | i'd probably actually feel better about being a day off than being an hour off, though |
| 00:13.08 | spectie | all the more reason to get your application in early |
| 00:13.23 | spectie | we got a _week_ to do it |
| 00:13.25 | brion | just damned annoying to think you *are* turning it in early... |
| 00:13.26 | spectie | should be enough time |
| 00:13.31 | ronaldo | there was a discrepancy over dst here on the west coast |
| 00:13.37 | brion | following the deadline in the timeline... |
| 00:13.48 | spectie | 8th March--12th March |
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| 00:14.13 | spectie | if you submit something on the 10th you can't avoid hitting the deadline |
| 00:14.18 | MatthewWilkes | brion: Less than 1 hour to spare cannot be considered early. Same day it opens is quite early. |
| 00:14.30 | brion | MatthewWilkes, *during the specified time period* is early |
| 00:14.33 | brion | *after the cutoff* is late |
| 00:14.33 | zooko | I like how Linus Torvalds recently closed the merge window a week early, thus excluding everyone who waited til the last week to submit their patches for linux 2.6.34. :-) |
| 00:14.36 | zooko | What a jerk. :-) |
| 00:14.38 | MatthewWilkes | brion: No, it's on time. Not early. |
| 00:14.48 | spectie | +1 MatthewWilkes |
| 00:14.53 | brion | MatthewWilkes, in that case, "early" would be *before* the time period opens |
| 00:14.54 | spectie | and the programme was announced months ago |
| 00:14.59 | brion | which isn't possible as the web app wouldn't have been open? |
| 00:15.14 | spectie | exactly, so early is early as in within the realms of possibility |
| 00:15.19 | bonti | brion, were you doing an app for status.net? |
| 00:15.20 | MatthewWilkes | brion: and I'm sure people did have their apps ready before-hand and submitted them as soon as the timeframe opened. |
| 00:15.20 | brion | any time between the application period opening and the application period closing are equally acceptable |
| 00:15.28 | brion | bonti, yep |
| 00:15.41 | spectie | brion, but some are more early than others |
| 00:15.41 | brion | MatthewWilkes, i'm sure some did, and that's great for them |
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| 00:16.01 | MatthewWilkes | brion: Anyway, I don't care. Good luck with an extension. |
| 00:16.05 | brion | but it's not really relevant to the question "if I followed the time on the timeline and ended up late because of it, what happens?" |
| 00:16.12 | brion | thanks. |
| 00:16.48 | scorche | is anything really going to come out of discussing this further? - If you werent able to get your app in then all you can do is wait and see if it is re-opened - otherwise, now you have learned to no wait till the last hour to do these sorts of things |
| 00:18.00 | brion | scorche, exactly my point. hoping someone who can actually do something will show up |
| 00:18.08 | thiago | submitted well in advance, even while travelling attending a conference |
| 00:18.17 | brion | other than explaining to new people who came in and are asking about the same question, there's been nothing new in this channel |
| 00:18.45 | scorche | then lets quit re-hashing this and having the same argument that doesnt go anywhere.. |
| 00:18.46 | brion | just telling folks "you should have been earlier" is nice and all, but not really helpful |
| 00:18.57 | brion | yep! |
| 00:19.12 | spectie | it is good advice though |
| 00:19.22 | scorche | sure it is...you learn to do things differently for the next year...but lets not get into this.. ;) |
| 00:19.28 | thiago | it's also the only thing we can do |
| 00:19.31 | thiago | we can't change the web app |
| 00:19.40 | spectie | like the tides |
| 00:19.59 | brion | sympathy and suggestions for where to contact are helpful, actually (and i've received those both already) |
| 00:20.08 | brion | (and have been passing em on) |
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| 00:20.55 | scorche | if you dont think that people trying to give you tips for applying next year successfully are helpful, then ignore them |
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| 00:44.21 | MatthewWilkes | I love the logos on the right of http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/03/12/2034225/Scientists-Need-Volunteers-To-Look-At-the-Sun |
| 00:44.27 | MatthewWilkes | comedy gold |
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| 00:46.20 | carols | hi everyone, i talked to leslie this morning and she noticed the timezone issue and actually changed the webapp to close at the correct time, 0:00UTC or 4:00PT, so the webapp closed at the right ime, she just didn't update the mailing list. i'll do that now. |
| 00:47.00 | ojwb | carols: people were saying that they couldn't submit between 23:00UTC and 0:00UTC, if I read scrollback right |
| 00:47.14 | ojwb | can't speak from personal experience though |
| 00:47.23 | Upthorn | you know, what they should do, is offer bounties to people who correctly identify the beginnings of a sun storm |
| 00:47.28 | hnr | carols - thanks for the update |
| 00:47.30 | scorche | carols: the application seemed to have closed at 23:00 UTC |
| 00:47.49 | carols | we'll look into any possible tool issues at the time, but im not aware of any, im pretty sure it closed at the correct time |
| 00:48.13 | Catfish_Man | we did get at least 5-6 reports of it here |
| 00:48.18 | Catfish_Man | between 3 and 4 PST |
| 00:48.24 | MatthewWilkes | The apply link was certainly visible at 2320 UTC for me |
| 00:48.45 | ojwb | people who submit in the last 60 minutes clearly have more trust in their ISP than I do in mine |
| 00:50.05 | carols | well, im sure everyone submitted yesterday and was just checking everything out today, so it should be no worries |
| 00:51.52 | carols | im looking forward to reviewing all the great apps :-) |
| 00:53.19 | mngrif | actually we submitted based on 4PM PST |
| 00:53.23 | mngrif | and of course got left out |
| 00:53.35 | mngrif | so there are a few affected, certainly. |
| 00:54.41 | kaplanj42 | carols: I submitted just after 3pm PST, and the app was closed |
| 00:55.01 | mngrif | 3:35PM PST for us. :( |
| 00:56.02 | carols | sorry to hear that, guys. |
| 00:56.52 | mngrif | no biggie, just shows that you can't always trust google. better luck next year eh? |
| 00:57.07 | kaplanj42 | is there anything we can do? It was our mistake, but obviously it was an honest mistake |
| 00:57.33 | Catfish_Man | kaplanj42: well... sort of your mistake. 4PM PDT March 12th doesn't actually exist |
| 00:58.30 | scorche | mngrif: dont blame this on google when you have plenty of time to get your app in before the deadline - and could submit it earlier and still edit it |
| 00:58.42 | MatthewWilkes | mngrif: Trolling won't help either. This just shows that google is staffed by human beings and they can't work around your mistakes. |
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| 00:58.52 | Catfish_Man | scorche: listing a time that doesn't exist is still pretty lame |
| 00:59.21 | scorche | Catfish_Man: i would agree, but Google does not deserve the full or even most of the blame here |
| 01:00.47 | bonti | if it wasn't an intentional hurdle the right thing to do would be to add a full business day. |
| 01:01.09 | mngrif | no, they don't. you're right that those that were late shouldn't have waited, but some of us who were late waited under the assumption that 4PM existed. |
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| 01:02.26 | bonti | when government screws up, or has to postpone things due to unforseen circumstances, it's always a business day |
| 01:02.42 | Catfish_Man | I need to head for the bus, later folks |
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| 01:02.43 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Approximately how many full time equivalent staffers work on summer of code? |
| 01:03.04 | carols | matthewilkes: at google? |
| 01:03.07 | MatthewWilkes | (i.e. 2 people on 20% time = 0.4 people) |
| 01:03.57 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Yeah, I'm just wondering how many man-hours per week google devotes on an average week to SoC |
| 01:04.09 | MatthewWilkes | People seem to be under the impression that it's a lot more than it is, afaict |
| 01:04.28 | carols | matthewwilkes: it's leslie 80%, me 20% and ellen and cat chip in time when they can |
| 01:04.31 | carols | that's all |
| 01:05.02 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Ok, so slightly over 1 full time person. Great to know. |
| 01:05.24 | carols | matthewwilkes: yep, exactly |
| 01:05.35 | MatthewWilkes | Now, people thinking that this is an intentional hurdle, and that use of PDT was to trick people, consider how many mistakes you'd make if you had to run this programme on your own |
| 01:05.55 | MatthewWilkes | It clearly wasn't an intentional trick |
| 01:06.14 | MatthewWilkes | Careful reading of the timeline and mailing lists show the correct times |
| 01:06.27 | kaplanj42 | I don't think anyone thinks it was intentional, clearly the timelines are correct |
| 01:06.47 | bonti | I'm not saying it was, just that it would have been clever if it had been |
| 01:06.53 | kaplanj42 | but it should be clear that if you live in Pacific time, it would be confusing to list PDT instead of PDT |
| 01:06.55 | kaplanj42 | PST |
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| 01:07.34 | bonti | but if it was not, a full business day extension seems the only reasonable remedy |
| 01:08.34 | MatthewWilkes | Yes, it should. But it was a mistake made by people that are working hard. I'm really sorry this is affecting people, but this isn't google screwing you over, it's a mistake made by another person in this programme and I can assure you that lh and carols will agonise over what to do to fix this |
| 01:08.43 | MatthewWilkes | There might be an extension, there might not. We have to wait and see. |
| 01:09.11 | mngrif | or ignore it. but we can hope! |
| 01:09.40 | MatthewWilkes | For now, feel free to email the list, but let's cut them a little slack and not make their lives harder. |
| 01:09.57 | mngrif | carols: i for one am very glad to see gsoc, many great things have come to computing from it. extension or not, thanks for your and your colleages hard work! |
| 01:10.36 | carols | mngrif: you're quite welcome. we love this community and want to keep you all happy |
| 01:11.04 | bonti | I agree. I'd like to see google.org or some other foundation agressively expand it since it works so well. |
| 01:12.25 | bonti | it seems like gsoc comes up with as much good stuff I come across as the entirety of sourceforge these days |
| 01:12.48 | mngrif | bonti: agreed |
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| 01:14.31 | tty1 | hey, is there any plan to fix the mis-reported deadline for the GSoC? |
| 01:14.36 | rajat | does high school count as an eligible institute for this summer project? |
| 01:15.23 | rajat | carols: if you could shed some light on that |
| 01:15.37 | tty1 | I figured they may be extending the deadline since they mis-reported or something |
| 01:15.46 | tty1 | but cant find any info on it one way or hte other |
| 01:16.03 | tty1 | I know a lot of people wernt able to get in applications as a result |
| 01:16.27 | tty1 | oh, carlos knows? cool! any ideas? |
| 01:16.28 | scorche | tty1: because there isnt any info on it yet...be patient |
| 01:16.35 | carols | tty1: i did send an email to the discussion list describing this already :-) |
| 01:16.41 | tty1 | ahh ok |
| 01:16.55 | tty1 | carols: so there may be something done, you guys are still discussing i guess? |
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| 01:17.54 | carols | tty1: it was fixed this morning, the app closed at the correct time even though the time was listed incorrectly in the timeline. i've gotten some reports that the tool may not have been working correctly in the last hour, so I'll look into that, but as of right now what I know the tool closed at the right time |
| 01:18.07 | robla | carols: I don't think your mail describes what actually happened |
| 01:18.35 | carols | robla: nothing happened. the tool closed at the right time, it was fixed hours before this came up for discussion |
| 01:18.43 | robla | your mail says " corrected the webapp hours ago to close at the right time, 0:00UTC or 4:00PT" |
| 01:18.55 | robla | it closed at 3:00PT |
| 01:18.59 | rajat | carols: can you help me with my question? |
| 01:19.09 | ojwb | rajat: students need to be over 18 on april 26th |
| 01:19.12 | tty1 | carols: i know i can confirm that in the last hour it wasnt working properly. We franticly had people trying to apply in the last hour and couldnt get anything up until it went down. But also the time was mis-reported due to daylights savings time. |
| 01:19.59 | rajat | ojwb: yeah i read that in the faq, just confirming if the high school bonafide is good enough? |
| 01:20.21 | carols | tty1: i will ask the melange developers if there was a problem with the tool itself, but as of right now im not aware of one. |
| 01:20.22 | ojwb | rajat: I'm not sure, just pointing out a hurdle most high-schoolers would fall at |
| 01:21.11 | carols | rajat: from the FAQs: "You are eligible to apply if you are enrolled in an accredited pre-university educational program provided you meet all of the other eligibility requirements" of which one is your age as of april 26. |
| 01:21.37 | tty1 | carols: well i think the time issue was just as important, if not even more so. Due to daylights savings and reporting as PST rather than UTC technically the wrong time was reported (thanks for the due diligence by the way). |
| 01:22.51 | carols | tty1: we're aware that the wrong time was reported, lh is human and she put the wrong time on the calendar. however, the app itself did the correct thing and gave everyone until 4pm pacific time or 0:00 UTC |
| 01:23.24 | robla | carols: no, it didn't |
| 01:23.42 | kaplanj42 | carols: I think the consensus is that the tool stopped working at 11pm UTC / 3pm PST -- that was certainly my experience |
| 01:24.03 | mngrif | yeah there's no way it did, it wasn't working at 3:35PM PST when I went to submit. |
| 01:24.05 | tty1 | carols: well thats the thing, the app was broken in that last hour, as in, atleat to us the app didnt give us until 4pm Pacific time.. it ended one hour earlier than it should have for us. |
| 01:24.09 | kaplanj42 | I'm pretty sure the error I got is the same as I get now: "This page is inactive at this time." |
| 01:24.18 | robla | yup, same here |
| 01:24.20 | kaplanj42 | I submitted just after 3pm PST |
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| 01:25.03 | kaplanj42 | hopefully, the melange developers will be able to back us up on this :-) |
| 01:25.12 | mngrif | hopefully :) |
| 01:25.27 | tty1 | I certainly hope so.. we put a lot of time into our app :) |
| 01:25.49 | MatthewWilkes | kaplanj42, mngrif: Of course, as melange is open source you can download it and try to replicate the bug yourself. |
| 01:26.16 | mngrif | never mind that we don't have the code for the site |
| 01:26.24 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: though it's may be a configuration glitch if there was a problem |
| 01:26.30 | ojwb | mngrif: you do, it's open source |
| 01:26.39 | mngrif | really the gsoc stuff is open? |
| 01:26.41 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: Yeah, caching perhaps. |
| 01:26.43 | ojwb | yes |
| 01:26.44 | tty1 | MatthewWilkes: you cant really replicate the bug without knowing the configuration it was setup with.. it may have been human error in inputting the time info rather than a bug itself |
| 01:27.24 | carols | ok, i've heard that from a number of you, however i trust lh when she tells me that she changed the time in the app to the correct time. |
| 01:27.26 | tty1 | MatthewWilkes: besides, with so many people all confirming the problem in the last hour it seems clear there was an issue. |
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| 01:29.20 | ojwb | mngrif: http://code.google.com/p/soc/ (as linked to from the "powered by melange" logo on the socghop site) |
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| 01:31.02 | kaplanj42 | carols: we're just glad to hear your intention was to keep the tool open until 4pm PST, and we appreciate you looking into the tool issue |
| 01:31.45 | dberkholz | anyone in the DC area? i'm here for a conference and have the evening free |
| 01:31.53 | dberkholz | would love to meet some floss folks |
| 01:32.14 | tty1 | i second that kaplanj42 .. i just hope they follow through. there is enough people confirming it was broken (and not a single person has confirmed they acutaly succeeded in applying past 3).. so if they actually remedy the issue i think it will show a lot |
| 01:32.14 | carols | kaplanj42: of course. |
| 01:32.37 | tty1 | dberkholz: im about an hour and a half away |
| 01:32.39 | carols | also, if you guys find a bug, please do let me know. |
| 01:33.14 | tty1 | carols: perhaps an easy way to check is see if there were any successful applications with a timestamp between 3 and 4? |
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| 01:34.03 | carols | tty1: sure, i can have the melange developers check that. |
| 01:34.06 | carols | is going home |
| 01:34.11 | carols | have a good night everyone |
| 01:34.21 | MatthewWilkes | night carols! Have a good weekend |
| 01:34.26 | kaplanj42 | carols: thanks for keeping us posted! |
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| 01:34.32 | carols | you too matthewwilkes |
| 01:34.34 | carols | cheers |
| 01:34.41 | tty1 | carols: thanks for all your time, have a pleasant ride home |
| 01:35.21 | mngrif | GOOGLE responded to me... i'm never cleaning my screen again |
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| 01:35.49 | scorche | google responds to me everytime i search something.. |
| 01:36.12 | mngrif | that's just one of their automata |
| 01:36.14 | ebo | mngrif: I almost fired a tea salute through my left nostril over that one ;-) |
| 01:36.24 | mngrif | :D |
| 01:36.28 | dbot_ | Hi, is there any chance the app deadline for organizations will be extended? |
| 01:37.03 | dbot_ | I made a big mistake about the timezone conversion & didn't get our app in on time :( |
| 01:37.36 | mngrif | dbot_: we don't know. they are still investigating if there was a bug or not but their intetion was to stop accepting them at 4PM PST not 3PM PST |
| 01:38.04 | dbot_ | hmm, yea i was trying to do it at 3:40PST, but couldn't get through :( |
| 01:38.15 | mngrif | same here |
| 01:38.44 | dbot_ | hmm, so will there be an announcement on the website? |
| 01:38.45 | mngrif | i'm just gonna wait and see what tomorrow brings. time for beer though, it's friday! |
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| 01:39.09 | dbot_ | lol, perhaps... i'm feeling pretty bummed that i let our mentors & students down... |
| 01:39.21 | robla | dbot_: follow this thread: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/a1a122d169998668 |
| 01:39.45 | mngrif | nothing we can do really. a few of us relied on the 4PM PST deadline :( |
| 01:39.54 | tty1 | yea |
| 01:40.33 | tty1 | mngrif: did i ever get your comment on: http://wiki.syncleus.com/index.php/DANN:Genetic_Wavelets |
| 01:40.43 | tty1 | mngrif: oops wrong room, meant to say that in #dANN |
| 01:40.47 | mngrif | :) |
| 01:45.06 | dbot_ | thanks for the link mngrif. i just added my name to the list also... |
| 01:46.06 | dbot_ | er, robla! thanks!!! |
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| 03:23.39 | King_InuYasha | and GSoC applications are over |
| 03:24.51 | thiago | yes, for 4 hours and 22 minutes |
| 03:24.58 | Conan_Kudo | I just got home |
| 03:25.17 | Conan_Kudo | I left the university in the afternoon and just arrived |
| 03:27.28 | sreich | !timeline |
| 03:27.28 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 03:27.39 | sreich | thank you kind sir. |
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| 06:36.04 | creek23 | !timeline |
| 06:36.04 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 06:42.03 | Inc | hmmm |
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| 06:47.20 | kblin | !next |
| 06:47.20 | socinfo | "next" is March 12 23:00 UTC: Mentor Organization application deadline, see http://bit.ly/adul79 |
| 06:47.27 | kblin | !forget next |
| 06:47.27 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 06:48.19 | kblin | !learn next as March 18th ~19:00 UTC: List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2010 site. |
| 06:48.20 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 06:49.34 | *** topic/#gsoc by kblin -> Google Summer of Code 2010 is On! - Mentoring Org Application Closed - File Feature Requests & Bugs at http://bit.ly/a5tD87 - Read the FAQs: http://bit.ly/9q41Ey - Consider Hosting a GSoC Info Session: http://bit.ly/amIwdd - We need flyer and presentations translations, videos too! |
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| 06:50.35 | kblin | there we go |
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| 06:58.29 | b9torn | Hi, ideamonk |
| 06:58.43 | ideamonk | b9torn, yo :) |
| 06:58.56 | b9torn | Ya soc will be great this year |
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| 07:10.19 | kblin | hm, tricky... |
| 07:11.13 | kblin | had a good project idea, but doubts the task will take long enough to qualify for GSoC |
| 07:11.42 | ojwb | specify it has to be implemented in an insane choice of language |
| 07:11.46 | ojwb | that'll slow them up |
| 07:12.25 | rajat | kblin: hey, what do you have in mind? |
| 07:12.28 | ojwb | kblin: you could add another (ideally related) idea to make it a bit more substantial |
| 07:16.43 | kblin | rajat: I was pointed at a JavaScript library that will simulate a 3D object from a set of pre-rendered pictured showing the object from suitable angles |
| 07:17.14 | kblin | unfortunately the license isn't really free, it's a CC-NC license, so I can't use it for my project |
| 07:17.53 | kblin | ojwb: yeah, that's what I'm trying to come up with now. More JS-related tasks for my web-app |
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| 07:19.39 | ojwb | guesses if they picked an NC licence, then they probably aren't likely to be persuaded to relicense it to be Free |
| 07:21.06 | kblin | yeah, so the obvious choice is to reimplement this using a free license. |
| 07:21.33 | rajat | okay good luck with that |
| 07:22.29 | kblin | but I have to admit I don't really know enough about JavaScript to come to a good estimate on how long this would take |
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| 07:32.28 | kblin | hm, crud. it seems we're running out of problems that are easy enough for beginners but large enough to take three months.. |
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| 07:47.31 | coppro | Is there any rule against starting before the prescribed start time? |
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| 08:01.07 | scorche | coppro: not at all! |
| 08:01.25 | scorche | just make sure you dont start before you propose your project... |
| 08:01.36 | scorche | (though you can surely start researching) |
| 08:01.54 | coppro | so it's even ok to start before being officially accepted as a contestant? |
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| 08:02.26 | coppro | *participant |
| 08:03.05 | mmadia | at the least, it can make a good impression on the organization you want to apply to. |
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| 08:04.17 | coppro | Well, assuming they get approved, I'm already contributing some stuff, but I'd be looking to make a formal project out of it where the stuff I'm adding has a definite goal rather than me submitting patches when I get the time |
| 08:04.36 | scorche | and by good impression, he means very good impression ;) |
| 08:04.46 | dhaun | I don't think you can really "start" before being accepted, since you're missing all the resources the org will provide but, like scorche said, it can't hurt doing some research and impress the org with a good understanding of the project in your application |
| 08:05.43 | scorche | and by prescribed start time, i thought you meant the May 24th start date |
| 08:06.01 | coppro | yes |
| 08:06.27 | scorche | we had 2 students almost finish their project before that date last year...it was very nice.. |
| 08:06.40 | coppro | neato |
| 08:07.34 | coppro | I think that answers my question :) |
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| 08:55.04 | Abhinav1 | thank dhaun :) |
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| 09:22.06 | kblin | !timeline |
| 09:22.07 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 09:26.38 | Nils^ | hi, if a big orga like GNU gets slots who decides for which project they are used: GNU or Google? |
| 09:26.55 | Catfish_Man | GNU |
| 09:27.04 | siri1 | Nils^: GNU ..I think |
| 09:27.12 | kblin | the projects sort their slots, google just decides how many they fund per org |
| 09:27.52 | Nils^ | thanks for the answer |
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| 09:51.14 | ihalip | siri1: hello |
| 09:51.30 | ihalip | do i know you? |
| 09:52.05 | siri1 | ihalip: hi. |
| 09:52.06 | siri1 | ihalip: no |
| 09:52.39 | siri1 | ihalip: i just checked the logs and decided to talk with you.. |
| 09:52.59 | ihalip | o...k... |
| 09:53.02 | ihalip | about what? |
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| 12:11.02 | kblin | why is installing a CMS always such a pain? |
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| 12:12.49 | thebolt | hi kblin |
| 12:12.57 | thebolt | kblin: it is by definition.. nothing to do about :/ |
| 12:15.25 | thebolt | i think it is something the CMS people do just to make the rest of us pissed off :P |
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| 12:45.44 | kblin | thebolt: I guess you're right |
| 12:46.52 | kblin | thebolt: the developers of the current system I'm looking at had the smart idea of working around file permission problems that occur at many webhosters by making the website write it's own files using ftp |
| 12:47.10 | thebolt | kblin: i am sure they sit there at their Joomla and Drupal ocnferences and ask themselves "ah, how can we make this as painful as possible for the users so they pay us high consultancy fees to do it for them" ;) |
| 12:47.31 | kblin | so if you want to run this on your own server, you need to set up an ftpd to install the bloody thing |
| 12:47.36 | thebolt | haha, ouch |
| 12:49.50 | kblin | I knew why I said I wouldn't take care of that website |
| 12:50.20 | thebolt | hehe |
| 12:50.25 | kblin | unfortunately my GF volunteered to do this and now is in bed, sick |
| 12:50.39 | thebolt | yea, usually i have the feeling it is best to stay as far away as possible from such things :) |
| 12:50.44 | kblin | so guess who's stuck with setting up the f...ine system now :) |
| 12:50.49 | thebolt | :P |
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| 12:54.26 | kblin | ahrg! |
| 12:54.38 | kblin | ok, screw this, next CMS on the list |
| 12:54.44 | thebolt | guess you have to blame your gf in this case ;) |
| 12:54.52 | kblin | yeah |
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| 12:55.41 | kblin | so, I've decided to go the easy route and created a subdomain at that webhoster that I could point at a test subdir of the web presence |
| 12:56.17 | kblin | I need to upload stuff there using ftp (how 1990s) so that's not a problem |
| 12:56.50 | kblin | but... that webhoster has apache set up to only interpret .php5 files as php5, and other stuff as php4, it seems |
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| 13:02.23 | Ivanovic | kblin: clear case of "outsch" |
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| 13:07.00 | kblin | yeah, hate it already |
| 13:08.49 | thebolt | :P |
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| 13:12.55 | kblin | but I think I'll keep testing this stuff on the webhoster's server, I'd be pretty annoyed if this cms wasn't as braindead as it turned out to be and it had only failed due to the webhost being stupid :) |
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| 13:22.29 | fabiosl | !timeline |
| 13:22.29 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 13:26.32 | kblin | no wonder there's tons of CMSes out there :) |
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| 13:27.23 | schumaml | sometimes you really hope that someone with a "cms patent" steps up and eradicates most of them :) |
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| 13:28.16 | kblin | no, actually not |
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| 13:30.03 | Live4Fun | ChanServ (irc.freenode.net): |
| 13:30.10 | Live4Fun | bzz |
| 13:30.14 | kblin | patent trolls should only happen to each other |
| 13:30.19 | Live4Fun | thx |
| 13:30.55 | Live4Fun | i should register in this network? |
| 13:31.06 | schumaml | yes |
| 13:31.14 | Live4Fun | how i can do it? |
| 13:31.38 | Live4Fun | cpmmand / help dont worked(( |
| 13:32.06 | dhaun | Live4Fun: /msg NickServ help |
| 13:32.29 | Live4Fun | dhaun: thx |
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| 13:41.00 | Live4Fun | dhaun: sry, but how i can login with my password and email?? |
| 13:41.15 | ihalip | you must first register |
| 13:41.27 | ihalip | /msg NickServ REGISTER bar foo@bar.com |
| 13:41.41 | Live4Fun | i has been registred |
| 13:42.01 | Live4Fun | now how i can login if i will be logoff |
| 13:42.22 | ihalip | /msg NickServ identify password |
| 13:42.39 | dhaun | your IRC client should have an option for that |
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| 13:43.12 | Live4Fun | how should named that option? |
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| 13:46.31 | dhaun | Live4Fun: check the documentation? I'm not familiar with Miranda ⦠|
| 13:47.41 | Live4Fun | dhaun: okok big thx |
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| 14:07.40 | spectie | mornin' all |
| 14:07.55 | Live4Fun | hi |
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| 14:37.55 | kblin | I managed to beat CMS and web-server at the web hoster to play nice with each other |
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| 14:45.58 | dreimark | !next |
| 14:45.58 | socinfo | "next" is March 18th ~19:00 UTC: List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2010 site. |
| 14:47.29 | Live4Fun | when i can see list of gsoc projects? |
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| 14:49.35 | dreimark | Live4Fun: March 18th ~19:00 UT |
| 14:50.00 | Live4Fun | dreimark: great) |
| 14:50.09 | dreimark | then the organisations are accepted and they list project ideas |
| 14:50.51 | dreimark | of course you can anytime start to contribute to a foss project |
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| 14:51.49 | Live4Fun | remained only to get there |
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| 16:11.42 | pygi | whats uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup? :D |
| 16:15.15 | ihalip | nothing |
| 16:17.56 | Live4Fun | !next |
| 16:17.56 | socinfo | "next" is March 18th ~19:00 UTC: List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2010 site. |
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| 16:23.49 | gcat | how should we apply so that we can get selected to a particular org |
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| 16:24.47 | gcat | i mean do we need to write a good proposal |
| 16:24.50 | pygi | gcat, you can't yet |
| 16:24.56 | pygi | yes, you need to write a good proposal :P |
| 16:25.08 | pygi | and talk to org/mentors, and submit patches and stuff |
| 16:25.29 | gcat | what are the things we can submit to them |
| 16:25.43 | gcat | what we have done untill now |
| 16:25.46 | gcat | ? |
| 16:26.01 | pygi | Noya, you should probably submit patches to their software :p |
| 16:26.35 | ihalip | gcat: get in touch with the orgs and mentors, they'll tell you better what it is that they want |
| 16:26.57 | ihalip | irc and mailing lists are a good way to start |
| 16:27.06 | gcat | we can contact them after 18th only |
| 16:27.07 | schumaml | showing them that you can build their software may be a very good start |
| 16:27.13 | anth_x | different orgs look for different things as part of the application process. |
| 16:27.18 | Noya | pygi: well, I don't think this would get gcat a step further ;) |
| 16:27.22 | anth_x | but all of them like contact/communication. |
| 16:27.31 | pygi | Noya, lol, sorry, that was a no :P |
| 16:27.43 | Noya | pygi: allright ;) |
| 16:27.44 | anth_x | gcat: you can contact projects you're interested in right now. |
| 16:27.51 | anth_x | you just don't know which projects are "in" yet. |
| 16:28.42 | anth_x | we've had a few students come talk to us about their ideas already. |
| 16:28.59 | anth_x | we really like to see that. it plays some part in the selection process. |
| 16:29.34 | ihalip | i contacted a few people even before orgs applications started :) |
| 16:30.20 | gcat | ok |
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| 17:37.47 | kimelto | morning! |
| 17:38.11 | thebolt | evening |
| 17:38.18 | Live4Fun | evening |
| 17:38.50 | anth_x | $TZ_GREETING |
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| 17:39.08 | thebolt | "hi".. works any time of the day :) |
| 17:41.10 | sreich | and people who use all-caps variables should be shot. |
| 17:41.48 | kitallis | $SHOT |
| 17:43.52 | anth_x | sreich: i agree with the technical aspect of your point, if not the, um, execution. |
| 17:44.07 | sreich | pun :) |
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| 17:45.16 | jainsweetabhishe | abhinav1hello |
| 17:45.33 | jainsweetabhishe | Abhinav1: hello |
| 17:46.31 | ak | Abhinav1:are you there ? |
| 17:46.58 | pkuhad | ak: has he blocked you on IM :P |
| 17:47.51 | ak | pkuhad: no man |
| 17:48.16 | pkuhad | ak: then why this rant on #gsoc |
| 17:48.53 | ak | pkuhad: just registered on #gsoc |
| 17:49.25 | pkuhad | ak : tell me the procedure i m still unregistered on #gsoc :P |
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| 17:50.01 | ak | pkuhad: i mean just join a irc |
| 17:50.13 | pkuhad | ak : ahh I see |
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| 17:50.38 | ak | pkuhad: so you all ecbian working with gsoc . |
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| 17:51.11 | ak | pkuhad: allmost cs and IT |
| 17:51.27 | pkuhad | ak : not all but some of us will be trying with our ideas ... we are having some informal info sessoins about gosc with our juniors as well |
| 17:52.16 | ak | pkuhad: well done , and what about ur infy joining ? |
| 17:52.21 | pkuhad | ak: trying for Google summer of code is a big lesson in itself ... i think |
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| 17:52.36 | ak | pkuhad: agree wid u |
| 17:52.38 | pkuhad | ak: please dont talk about such creepy things here :) |
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| 17:53.02 | ak | pkuhad: ohk |
| 17:53.45 | ak | pkuhad: i am also new for gsoc . trying hand from last 2 days. |
| 17:54.22 | pkuhad | ak : i hope it is only for gsoc not for the 'c' part of it |
| 17:54.45 | ak | pkuhad: agree wid u |
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| 18:04.33 | siri1 | siri1: hi |
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| 18:11.46 | MatthewWilkes | !stats |
| 18:11.47 | socinfo | "stats" is (#1) http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm, or (#2) EXPERIMENTAL http://lfowles.org/pysg/stats/%23gsoc/ |
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| 18:18.43 | MatthewWilkes | hehe, flatmate's friend just asked me about how hard C is to learn because he wants to do a bigger coding project over the summer. I suggest GSOC, turns out he was thinking the same thing. |
| 18:19.06 | Landon | stop breaking my stuff MatthewWilkes ! |
| 18:19.07 | Landon | :P |
| 18:19.18 | kitallis | lol ^ |
| 18:19.20 | MatthewWilkes | What did I do? :) |
| 18:19.25 | Dark_Shikari | >how hard C is to learn |
| 18:19.28 | Dark_Shikari | >C >hard |
| 18:19.34 | Dark_Shikari | hard compared to what, basic? |
| 18:19.57 | MatthewWilkes | He knows Python, I told him he'd be fine as long as he starts now |
| 18:20.47 | Dark_Shikari | python is evil. it's really easy and makes perfect sense... and then one day it comes out and bites you |
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| 18:21.00 | thebolt | hehe |
| 18:21.09 | Landon | MatthewWilkes: I have no idea! I was playin my games and then I started getting emails about pysg breaking :p |
| 18:21.18 | thebolt | python is nice for some things, c is good for osme things |
| 18:21.27 | Dark_Shikari | myfunc1(x): x[2] = 5 |
| 18:21.33 | Dark_Shikari | myfunc2(x): x = x + x |
| 18:21.48 | Dark_Shikari | what do myfunc1([1,2,3]) and myfunc2([1,2,3]) return? ;) |
| 18:21.57 | MatthewWilkes | nothing... |
| 18:22.05 | MatthewWilkes | But they modify the list in place |
| 18:22.31 | Dark_Shikari | ok better said, what will x be after running each of those |
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| 18:23.16 | MatthewWilkes | [1,2,5] and [1,2,3] |
| 18:23.31 | MatthewWilkes | In the second one you're rebinding x in the local scope |
| 18:23.32 | Dark_Shikari | correct. now explain that one to a python newbie ;) |
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| 18:24.13 | dhaun | 367 org applications, http://twitter.com/gsoc/statuses/10430159995 |
| 18:26.20 | ihalip | whoah |
| 18:27.01 | MatthewWilkes | Dark_Shikari: When you get something passed into a function it's the same object that was passed in, so you can manipulate it using functions on that object such as .append() and .__setitem__. Some functions, such as the result of adding two lists, implicitly make a copy of the data type. If you've got a mutable type like a list or a mapping don't call functions on it unless you make a copy either implictly or explicitly |
| 18:27.14 | Dark_Shikari | Yeah, I know how it works |
| 18:27.18 | Dark_Shikari | my point being, it's hairy.l |
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| 18:27.48 | MatthewWilkes | One 'nice' pattern is def counter(info=[1,]): info.append(info.pop+1); return info[0] |
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| 18:28.34 | MatthewWilkes | that way, the thing info references is a module level variable. That scares people. |
| 18:28.45 | MatthewWilkes | Dark_Shikari: You asked me how I'd explain it ;) |
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| 18:29.55 | MatthewWilkes | hehe, he's coming round to borrow my copy of the K&R |
| 18:30.53 | Dark_Shikari | the only really scary thing about C is the aliasing rules |
| 18:31.10 | jcreigh | Dark_Shikari: the "pointers passed by value" argument passing scheme is fairly standard. (eg, see Java) |
| 18:31.10 | Dark_Shikari | when peopel realize that ints are allowed to partially alias each other they usually start getting very very scared |
| 18:31.17 | jcreigh | Dark_Shikari: but I agree it seems weird at first. |
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| 19:31.48 | peppe | hello everybody. I read on the FAQ that for non-US students a "completed Foreign Certification form" is needed. what's that? just a document sent by google or something "official" (from my university or such)? |
| 19:32.38 | smtms | peppe, you only need to worry about this if you get accepted |
| 19:32.59 | smtms | peppe, it's a document you download, fill in and send to Google |
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| 19:34.08 | peppe | oh, ok :) thank you very much |
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| 19:53.03 | TheUni | i've submitted our application, but the link to the 'ideas page' is currently down (datacenter hit by lightning). is there anything i should do to explain? |
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| 19:53.27 | TheUni | bad timing, but wouldn't want to be denied due to a freak hosting problem |
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| 19:58.37 | kblin | TheUni: do they have a plan on how long they're going to be down? |
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| 19:59.20 | TheUni | kblin: it's my understanding that the routing issues have been fixed, but they're now rebooting/fsck'ing the servers. i'm afraid we might have some filesystem corruption to deal with. |
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| 20:00.44 | kblin | I doubt it's going to matter just yet, for all I know LH is at a conference until tomorrow |
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| 20:01.17 | TheUni | kblin: if we're still not up by tomorrow, is there anything i should do? |
| 20:01.40 | kblin | well, is that your main org website or just the server hosting your ideas page? |
| 20:01.59 | TheUni | oh damn, she's at libreplanet. i wanted to go :\ |
| 20:02.08 | fat0ss1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.12 | TheUni | kblin: unfortunately it's our main site as well as forum/wiki |
| 20:02.25 | fat0ss1 | http://opencv.willowgarage.com/wiki/GSOC_OpenCV2010 |
| 20:02.57 | kblin | TheUni: what org are you with, again? |
| 20:03.03 | TheUni | kblin: xbmc |
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| 20:05.56 | kblin | fat0ss1: read that page you linked again :) |
| 20:06.56 | kblin | TheUni: well, if you're still down tomorrow you might want to let lh know, via email or the like |
| 20:07.17 | TheUni | kblin: will do, thanks for the advice |
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| 20:57.01 | fat0ss1 | can we see the list of the organization |
| 20:57.04 | fat0ss1 | ? |
| 20:57.30 | kblin | !next |
| 20:57.30 | socinfo | "next" is March 18th ~19:00 UTC: List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2010 site. |
| 20:57.47 | kblin | in other words |
| 20:57.49 | kblin | !when |
| 20:57.49 | socinfo | "when" is later |
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| 20:57.59 | kblin | !patience |
| 20:57.59 | socinfo | Error: "patience" is not a valid command. |
| 20:58.03 | kblin | ah, durn |
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| 20:59.14 | sreich | kblin: that's because not enough people have it ;-) |
| 20:59.20 | kblin | !learn patience as very important in GSoC. Check !next and the !timeline and go code something useful. |
| 20:59.20 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 20:59.38 | peppe | the bot has no patience, just like every person. who's a good bot? you are! |
| 20:59.41 | ihalip | !patience |
| 20:59.41 | socinfo | "patience" is very important in GSoC. Check !next and the !timeline and go code something useful. |
| 20:59.58 | dhaun | clever :) |
| 21:00.14 | sreich | peppe: lol |
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| 21:24.07 | Conan_Kudo | !patience |
| 21:24.07 | socinfo | "patience" is very important in GSoC. Check !next and the !timeline and go code something useful. |
| 21:24.17 | Conan_Kudo | !timeline |
| 21:24.17 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 21:24.19 | Conan_Kudo | !next |
| 21:24.19 | socinfo | "next" is March 18th ~19:00 UTC: List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2010 site. |
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| 21:30.37 | ThomasWaldmann | amaurymedeiros: please remove the crap from your realname field |
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| 21:31.27 | amaurymedeiros | ThomasWaldmann: why? |
| 21:31.59 | smtms | ThomasWaldmann, are you deeply disturbed and offended? |
| 21:32.12 | ThomasWaldmann | because your realname should be there? or least something that doesn't produce funny chars and colours on other people's screens? |
| 21:33.15 | amaurymedeiros | ThomasWaldmann: sry, it was automatic.. i didn't see it.. will change |
| 21:33.49 | ThomasWaldmann | thanks |
| 21:36.08 | Tronic | Looks like an IRC client coded in C, with a missing terminating \0. |
| 21:38.18 | ThomasWaldmann | heh, maybe :) |
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| 21:38.50 | WinterMute | assuming C is the only language that requires a terminating 0 in a string ... |
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