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| 00:04.25 | ojwb | robbyoconnor: did you announce it widely? |
| 00:04.32 | ojwb | only heard about it on here... |
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| 00:05.02 | ojwb | if I didn't idle on here all the time, I wouldn't know it existed |
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| 00:08.06 | robbyoconnor | ojwb: just discussion list |
| 00:08.36 | robbyoconnor | should have tweeted it but too late now lol |
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| 00:10.06 | ojwb | well, there's still a week |
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| 00:11.25 | ojwb | though "orgs which took part in 2009" is probably a better guide to those likely to be in this year than "orgs which have applied this year" |
| 00:12.15 | ihalip_ | because it has more entries |
| 00:12.35 | ojwb | no, because many more orgs apply than can be accepted |
| 00:12.43 | ojwb | even if robby's list was complete |
| 00:13.17 | ojwb | a complete list of applying orgs would likely be 300+ |
| 00:13.28 | ojwb | so 50%+ wouldn't actually be taking part |
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| 00:14.24 | ojwb | some of last year's orgs won't apply (I know of at least two) and some probably will but won't be accepted this time |
| 00:15.01 | ihalip_ | meh |
| 00:15.11 | ojwb | but there's still likely to be better than 50% continuity |
| 00:15.19 | ihalip_ | but let's face it - why should you look at ALL the organisations, anyway? |
| 00:15.33 | ojwb | to find one which interests you? |
| 00:15.36 | ihalip_ | because you'd know of at least 4-5 projects you used in the past |
| 00:15.45 | ihalip_ | and you'd of course want to work with them |
| 00:16.10 | ojwb | some students haven't even (knowingly) used FOSS before |
| 00:16.41 | ojwb | though my impression is the ones you hear from this early have |
| 00:17.54 | ihalip_ | i haven't talked to students... there aren't too many around to talk to |
| 00:18.23 | ojwb | yes, the madness will really start once accepted orgs are announced |
| 00:18.35 | ihalip_ | i can figure |
| 00:19.10 | ihalip_ | the waiting is killing me |
| 00:19.59 | ihalip_ | i was visiting the google group daily, even before gsoc was even officially announced :) |
| 00:20.14 | robbyoconnor | my list was incredibly small |
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| 00:20.27 | ojwb | robbyoconnor: well, you deleted my entry! |
| 00:20.48 | robbyoconnor | No didn't. |
| 00:20.53 | ojwb | did too |
| 00:20.55 | robbyoconnor | your entry looked like a junk entry |
| 00:20.57 | robbyoconnor | if i did |
| 00:20.58 | robbyoconnor | L( |
| 00:21.07 | ihalip_ | robbyoconnor: is it safe to say that not enough people are subscribed to the google group? |
| 00:21.24 | ojwb | i suspect that a lot of mentors aren't |
| 00:21.30 | robbyoconnor | ihalip_: I'd say a lot of them got annoyed :) |
| 00:21.39 | downeym | grins at robbyoconnor |
| 00:21.41 | ojwb | the mentor list is too noisy for some |
| 00:21.42 | lucian | i for one did |
| 00:21.49 | robbyoconnor | 90% of those "questions" can be found in the "FAQ" |
| 00:21.54 | robbyoconnor | :-) |
| 00:22.07 | robbyoconnor | but nobody reads -- it's hard I know! colleges ill-prepare us |
| 00:22.11 | lucian | robbyoconnor: how about an auto-reply with the faq? |
| 00:22.19 | robbyoconnor | lh would kill me |
| 00:22.27 | downeym | !faq |
| 00:22.27 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 00:22.50 | robbyoconnor | I did get nasty w/ a lot of my replies to "requesting access" when people didnt bother to read the list then i just funneled those emails to the trash |
| 00:23.10 | downeym | reviews http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 00:23.28 | ihalip_ | :/ |
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| 00:27.16 | dennda | Can I apply with an organization as a mentor, and in case there aren't enough students afterwards, be a student instead if the org is taken? :) |
| 00:29.40 | ihalip_ | provided you apply as a student until the deadline, and you aren't your own mentor, i don |
| 00:29.43 | robbyoconnor | dennda: there are no orgs |
| 00:29.46 | ihalip_ | + 't see why not |
| 00:29.53 | robbyoconnor | er wait re-read it |
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| 00:32.45 | ihalip_ | what did you understand, robby? |
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| 00:37.17 | ojwb | dennda: you can't be a mentor and a student, so you'll need to unregister as a mentor to do that |
| 00:38.15 | ojwb | it came up last year - i believe there's a cut-off date for doing so |
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| 00:39.26 | scorche | what he said |
| 00:40.54 | scorche | you can still sign up as a mentor after GSoC has started (and your student project possibly isnt accepted), but if i were your org, i woudlnt want to have a main mentor in such a position |
| 00:42.05 | micahcowan | Of course, all students would already have been assigned to other mentors by that time, no? |
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| 00:42.43 | ihalip_ | yeah, but it doesn't hurt to have backup mentors |
| 00:42.57 | scorche | you would think so, but the possibility exists to re-assign mentors |
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| 00:43.09 | micahcowan | Of course. |
| 00:43.21 | scorche | i am not saying it is a recommended course of action (in fact, i recommend against it), but the capability is there |
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| 01:42.47 | nui | Ahh nvm I think I found it sorry |
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| 02:53.02 | Catfish_Man | wow. An actual spammer here |
| 02:53.06 | Catfish_Man | oh wait, this is #gsoc |
| 02:53.16 | Catfish_Man | nm. Thought it was a different channel that doesn't get spammers much |
| 02:54.39 | micahcowan | Is it worth banning "her"? Or do you think "she" won't be back |
| 02:55.17 | Sebastian__ | it was all over OFTC yesterday and the day before |
| 02:56.07 | micahcowan | Probably worth it then. Catfish_Man you _do_ have ops... ;) |
| 02:56.15 | Catfish_Man | micahcowan: if it's not a botnet it's unlikely to be a problem, and if it is, a ban won't be that helpful |
| 02:56.23 | Catfish_Man | I'll get out the op hammer if one sticks around |
| 02:56.31 | micahcowan | BTW, my wife loves your nick |
| 02:56.39 | Catfish_Man | hee :) |
| 02:56.49 | sreich | aw really? how would it not be helpful? (botnet) |
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| 02:57.22 | Catfish_Man | sreich: they're likely to have a bunch of hostmasks to join from |
| 02:57.40 | sreich | how many could they have? |
| 02:57.57 | Catfish_Man | thousands maybe? |
| 02:58.02 | sreich | jeezus |
| 02:58.13 | Catfish_Man | depends on how big it is, and how they're handling it |
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| 02:58.17 | sreich | don't they have better things to do than spam geek channels |
| 02:58.33 | sreich | you'd think that nobody would fall into it.. |
| 02:58.44 | blast007 | you'd think ;) |
| 02:58.48 | sreich | hehe |
| 02:59.13 | sreich | actually: what exactly are they trying to do with that link? |
| 02:59.24 | blast007 | it redirects to some referer thing |
| 02:59.25 | micahcowan | Trojan mebbe? |
| 02:59.42 | blast007 | so, making money by people that go there |
| 02:59.55 | sreich | I see |
| 03:00.04 | micahcowan | Something that automatically "clicks" on ads from your browser maybe? |
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| 03:01.59 | sreich | it would be funny if it were a windows trojan. especially since he popped in #kde and #kde-devel |
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| 03:02.10 | sreich | which leaves me to think #linux too :D |
| 03:02.27 | blast007 | ooo, and could be going to a virus. seems the page it redirects to is a short URL provider, not a pay-per-click thing like I thought. |
| 03:02.48 | Dark_Shikari | there have been spam attcacks on freenode using that method |
| 03:02.55 | Dark_Shikari | you click on a link, it runs javascript that spams freenode |
| 03:02.55 | micahcowan | Hm. A rare GNU/Linux virus? |
| 03:03.14 | sreich | Dark_Shikari: wasn't that halted by the new system they put in place? |
| 03:03.19 | Dark_Shikari | yeah |
| 03:03.20 | blast007 | micahcowan: yeah, and includes instructions to elevate to root first ;) |
| 03:03.22 | Dark_Shikari | one would hope |
| 03:03.37 | micahcowan | Dark_Shikari, interesting. Especially to use Freenode users to unwittingly spam freenode. |
| 03:04.09 | micahcowan | blast007, well hey, if people follow those cell-phone "IQ Test" instructions (not to mention Nigerian scammers)... :) |
| 03:04.18 | blast007 | ;D |
| 03:04.20 | micahcowan | +63 |
| 03:04.28 | micahcowan | Sorry, that was my three year old |
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| 03:06.30 | sreich | haha, yeah, nigerian scammers. It truly made me die laughing when I read a story about a woman who constantly sent $1000 (don't remember real amount) checks to the scam place, saying that they only needed a little bit more. Now...*regular* people, you would think, would wonder why they aren't getting their promised high-return amount... |
| 03:06.55 | micahcowan | It's fantastic what greed will due to human optimism. |
| 03:07.02 | sreich | exactly |
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| 03:19.48 | WinterMute | it's probably someone getting paid to generate traffic to that site |
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| 03:30.52 | lfranchi | yay, KDE organization application submitted |
| 03:31.01 | Sebastian__ | tada |
| 03:31.58 | J-NFurst | :) |
| 03:32.24 | Sebastian__ | I guess we'll be a bit closer to the deadline ;) |
| 03:32.48 | Sebastian_ | ugh, damn registered nicknames. |
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| 04:39.03 | *** topic/#gsoc is Google Summer of Code 2010 is On! - Mentoring Org Apps Open, Timeline: http://bit.ly/adul79 - File Feature Requests & Bugs at http://bit.ly/a5tD87 - Read the FAQs: http://bit.ly/9q41Ey - Consider Hosting a GSoC Info Session: http://bit.ly/amIwdd - We need flyer and presentations translations, videos too! |
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| 04:48.34 | nui | Any admins on? Is there any way to confirm that our application was input succesfully? |
| 04:49.11 | micahcowan | If you were able to submit it, and you can edit it (and it still has the values you put in), that'd mean it was input successfully. |
| 04:49.36 | nui | Ok sounds good :) thanks Mica |
| 04:49.52 | nui | +-h :P |
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| 04:51.32 | skbohra | if i am guessing it right :) |
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| 05:07.33 | TheUni | xbmc is submitted :) |
| 05:07.56 | scorche | robbyoconnor: |
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| 05:08.09 | robbyoconnor | scorche: yes? |
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| 05:57.10 | dmitrig01 | Does it matter who in a project submits an org app? Should it be in charge of GSoC affairs or can it be someone else? I will be AFK when our app needs to be submitted but it's not quite done yet. I don't know what to do... |
| 05:58.10 | micahcowan | I believe it needs to be the org admin or the backup org admin |
| 05:58.27 | micahcowan | No one else has access to the form, AIUI. |
| 05:58.39 | dmitrig01 | micahcowan: well theoretically anyone can submit one right? |
| 05:58.44 | ojwb | but you can change who is in those roles later |
| 05:58.54 | dmitrig01 | ojwb: oh really? even the main org? |
| 05:58.59 | dmitrig01 | ojwb: so, it doesn't matter? |
| 05:59.07 | ojwb | certainly the backup one can be |
| 05:59.30 | ojwb | and there's something in the faq about telling them in the admin changes, which suggests it is possible |
| 05:59.42 | ojwb | though perhaps with manual intervention |
| 05:59.44 | dmitrig01 | ojwb: ok, i will read the faq |
| 06:00.03 | micahcowan | If you must do it, probably keep the org admin correct, but fudge the backup org admin and change that |
| 06:00.10 | micahcowan | coz I suspect that might be easier to change |
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| 06:00.14 | ojwb | yeah, that would be my suggestion |
| 06:00.22 | micahcowan | But if you can get feedback from a googler, that'd probably be a good idea... |
| 06:01.01 | dmitrig01 | well i would have my backup submit it |
| 06:01.27 | micahcowan | Well your backup can submit it anyway (I believe?), so I think you're fine then |
| 06:02.05 | micahcowan | Oh, of course if you never submitted a draft of it before, then I guess your backup would wind up being the primary. |
| 06:02.18 | dmitrig01 | oh |
| 06:02.29 | dmitrig01 | could i submit a draft and my backup could edit? |
| 06:02.39 | micahcowan | Yeah, that's my understanding |
| 06:02.54 | micahcowan | Note that it's not marked as a draft or anything: if that's the state it's in at the deadline, then that's the submitted app. |
| 06:03.22 | dmitrig01 | ok |
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| 07:11.30 | TheUni | should i use my name (i'm the project admin) for the "public name"? or my project's name? |
| 07:11.38 | TheUni | it's not clear at all |
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| 07:14.04 | llnz | TheUni: the public name of what? |
| 07:14.11 | ojwb | TheUni: for the project application, use the project's name |
| 07:15.03 | TheUni | for my profile. it asks for the link id (which i created: xbmc), and a Public Name, for which i also used 'xbmc' |
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| 07:15.38 | ihalip_ | "this public name will be used as your alias throughout the site, displayed to all users, for comments, document ownership, and the like" |
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| 07:16.29 | TheUni | ihalip_: er, yes, i saw that. but it doesn't say if "your alias" means mine personally, or my project's alias |
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| 07:18.29 | ihalip_ | it's your personal alias, because you're the one posting the comments/docs :P |
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| 07:18.58 | kblin | TheUni: what ihalip_ said |
| 07:19.18 | TheUni | so i should use my name then, i suppose |
| 07:19.24 | kblin | TheUni: you can admin for multiple orgs, it would be silly if they all were called the same :) |
| 07:19.49 | TheUni | kblin: would be nice if that was a little more clear :) |
| 07:20.41 | TheUni | basically, it's unclear what pertains to me and what pertains to my project |
| 07:21.19 | kblin | everything under "User (self)" pertains to you |
| 07:21.32 | kblin | I'm not sure how this could be more clear |
| 07:22.08 | TheUni | kblin: i suppose it's unclear because i'm already signed into a google account. so i assumed that the info i was entering was for the project |
| 07:22.14 | TheUni | though i understand now |
| 07:24.33 | kblin | if you can come up with a way to make this more clear, please file a bug about this |
| 07:25.06 | ojwb | the mouseovers for the fields sometimes help |
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| 07:25.28 | thebolt | Morning |
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| 07:36.00 | kblin | man |
| 07:36.02 | kblin | there |
| 07:36.30 | baluchandra | yup |
| 07:36.35 | kblin | there's so many android channels, and all are full of people comparing whose phone is longest |
| 07:36.49 | Catfish_Man | heh |
| 07:36.56 | ihalip_ | men will be men |
| 07:38.46 | robbyoconnor | kblin: my phone is the longer than your phone |
| 07:38.52 | robbyoconnor | </win> |
| 07:39.09 | kblin | robbyoconnor: right, sorry you need to compensate that way |
| 07:39.14 | robbyoconnor | LOL |
| 07:39.28 | robbyoconnor | kblin: I'm quite happy but thanks for assuming that :P |
| 07:39.36 | robbyoconnor | I hate my phone |
| 07:39.39 | robbyoconnor | a lot of the tim e |
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| 07:40.37 | YuviPanda | kblin: but my phone vibrates way better! :P |
| 07:40.42 | kblin | oh, they can show off their phones all day for what I care, but I'm trying to get hold of someone versed in android platform development who can tell me what the best way to add new external libraries to android is.. rewriting make files for all the libs can't be the best way |
| 07:41.14 | kblin | YuviPanda: now this conversation is going into a direction that will quickly lead to a clear case of TMI |
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| 07:41.38 | ojwb | kblin: my external library is bigger than yours |
| 07:42.18 | kblin | it hurts and stings.. |
| 07:43.14 | ihalip_ | ojwb: strip it. |
| 07:44.03 | ojwb | resists continuing this |
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| 07:44.44 | robbyoconnor | you gotta strip your libs |
| 07:44.52 | robbyoconnor | like we strip our phones before we play with them |
| 07:45.05 | robbyoconnor | (i swear i'm still talking about the phone!) |
| 07:45.09 | robbyoconnor | ok im going to bed.) |
| 07:45.29 | robbyoconnor | drops a pin |
| 07:45.37 | ihalip_ | g'nite |
| 07:45.39 | robbyoconnor | ... I killed conversation in a logged channel LOL |
| 07:45.50 | robbyoconnor | I really do know how to take something WAYYYY too far |
| 07:46.19 | YuviPanda | don't forget to use protection for your phone when you're takin it out :) |
| 07:46.21 | YuviPanda | ends it |
| 07:46.35 | robbyoconnor | OH MY GOD!!!!!!! |
| 07:46.37 | YuviPanda | okay, any other wannabe GSoCers from Chennai, India here? |
| 07:46.44 | robbyoconnor | #gsoc-india |
| 07:46.57 | robbyoconnor | you'll wanna go there. |
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| 07:47.31 | kblin | there's probably a lot of indian students around, though |
| 07:47.51 | kblin | and I expect for more to drop by once the mentoring orgs are announced |
| 07:47.56 | YuviPanda | robbyoconnor: thanks for the pointer! |
| 07:48.23 | YuviPanda | robbyoconnor: it is rather sparsely populated right now |
| 07:48.25 | YuviPanda | kblin: ^^^ |
| 07:48.56 | kblin | I'm talking about here, I never was in #gsoc-india :) |
| 07:49.23 | ihalip_ | kblin: fresh meat :P |
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| 09:04.14 | yatagaan | got a silly question here .... just submitted my app ... how could you tell that your app has been submitted? |
| 09:05.44 | SharpDevelop_ds | there is a link "List My Organization Applications" |
| 09:06.08 | yatagaan | lemme check .. |
| 09:06.09 | SharpDevelop_ds | The applications states "You may edit and re-submit this survey by Friday, 12. March 2010 11:00PM. " |
| 09:06.29 | SharpDevelop_ds | The timeline says "March 12: |
| 09:06.29 | SharpDevelop_ds | 4 PM PDT / 23:00 UTC" |
| 09:06.45 | SharpDevelop_ds | What do you make out of this people? |
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| 09:09.40 | scorche | SharpDevelop_ds: if your application is already in, then there is nothing to make out of it ;) |
| 09:09.54 | yatagaan | thanks SharpDevelop_ds I got it now. Does that backup org admin also apply using their account? |
| 09:11.11 | SharpDevelop_ds | scorche: it is, I am just reporting minor bug... |
| 09:11.24 | SharpDevelop_ds | yatagaan: no, just one person applies |
| 09:13.52 | yatagaan | SharpDevelop_ds: thanks |
| 09:15.53 | yatagaan | Users cannot act as an organization administrator and student for the same Program, but an organization administrator can act as an admin/mentor for another organization. Does this mean an organization can't have a single person as an admin and a mentor? |
| 09:17.23 | scorche | they can |
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| 09:48.15 | ojwb | wonders if a "you have submitted" email would be useful |
| 09:48.23 | ojwb | a lot of people seem unsure if they have or not |
| 09:48.54 | ojwb | ISTR that appengine apps couldn't send email at this point last year, but that got added since |
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| 09:50.49 | msevior | HI everyone. |
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| 09:51.22 | msevior | I'm applying to gsoc on behalf of abiword. |
| 09:51.38 | msevior | What is requesred for the backup adminstrator? |
| 09:52.02 | msevior | I typed in our backup admin's email address and the application form rejected it. |
| 09:52.46 | creek23 | the backup admin should register to Mengale |
| 09:52.53 | creek23 | then use his ID |
| 09:52.57 | msevior | ie what should I I do to correctly answer this field? Backup Admin (Link ID): |
| 09:53.05 | msevior | oh |
| 09:53.18 | msevior | OK I'll see if I can get him to do that quickly |
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| 09:53.37 | msevior | Is their a specfic url to register at? |
| 09:53.56 | creek23 | same link you are into right now. |
| 09:54.11 | msevior | OK |
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| 09:54.33 | ojwb | creek23: it's "melange" not "mengale" |
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| 09:54.40 | creek23 | oops. |
| 09:54.42 | creek23 | my bad |
| 09:54.43 | creek23 | :P |
| 09:55.01 | ojwb | it's ok, just trying to avoid confusion! |
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| 09:59.59 | msevior | creek23: Thanks! I guessed what his used id was and the app form accepted it :-) |
| 10:00.10 | msevior | creek23: Thanks! I guessed what his user id was and the app form accepted it :-) |
| 10:01.21 | creek23 | guessed? |
| 10:01.33 | creek23 | make sure that his the same person. |
| 10:01.37 | creek23 | :P |
| 10:01.45 | creek23 | could be the ID of someone else |
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| 10:38.32 | tlax | I'm a bit lost with this mentoring stuff. I have a coding idea, but do I need the opensource project to be a mentor for me or what? What if the project doesn't have anything to do with the gsoc? |
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| 10:39.56 | skbohra | tlax: the project should be one of the org selected for gsoc by google |
| 10:40.32 | skbohra | tlax: but theres some way google can also mentor independent ideas, but thats very rare ,iirc |
| 10:41.02 | tlax | skbohra: Ah. Ok. So I got it right. Just have to wait to see the orgs. |
| 10:41.11 | skbohra | tlax: indeed |
| 10:41.43 | ojwb | skbohra: yes, the "google" org has a handful on students each year |
| 10:42.04 | ojwb | and you need to find a mentor yourself, so it's really for the dedicated |
| 10:43.02 | skbohra | our org has the policy to not to take past students |
| 10:43.15 | tlax | So I guess it's a bit too late to start harrassing the projects about the idea. :/ |
| 10:43.27 | skbohra | tlax: not really |
| 10:43.49 | skbohra | tlax: i would say it isnt too late |
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| 10:45.33 | brokentools | Hi...I just submitted an applicationa while back |
| 10:45.35 | ojwb | tlax: I wouldn't recommend harassing them though - just go for orgs it is actually relevant to, and be willing to adapt it to better fit |
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| 10:45.43 | brokentools | got no ack by email |
| 10:45.49 | ojwb | brokentools: you won't |
| 10:46.01 | brokentools | i can't even see it when I log back in |
| 10:46.03 | ojwb | just check it is listed on the left |
| 10:46.51 | brokentools | oh ok I see it now |
| 10:46.55 | brokentools | sorry to bother |
| 10:47.30 | ojwb | brokentools: s'ok, lots of people have been worrying similarly recently |
| 10:49.13 | Waren | yo |
| 10:50.32 | ojwb | wonders if the legalese gets thicker each year, or if his memory of it just fades |
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| 10:54.38 | Lunixed | How many organizations applied for GSOC 2010 ? |
| 10:56.19 | ojwb | Lunixed: we don't know yet |
| 10:56.24 | dennda | deadline not yet over, right? |
| 10:56.25 | ojwb | it's still 11 hours to the deadline |
| 10:56.41 | Lunixed | Ahh. . . |
| 10:56.49 | ojwb | I think there were 77 the first day |
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| 10:57.06 | ojwb | but there's bound to be an eleventh hour surge |
| 10:57.08 | Lunixed | I am in different timezone... damn i tht its over.. |
| 10:57.13 | Lunixed | Hmm ya |
| 10:57.37 | ojwb | it's not after 11pm on 12th in many timezones yet! |
| 10:57.51 | Lunixed | Hmm . . |
| 10:58.11 | ojwb | it just is here in NZ, and there's not many places ahead of us |
| 10:58.36 | Lunixed | I am 12 hrs ahead of you :P |
| 10:58.43 | Lunixed | *almost* |
| 10:59.05 | ojwb | are you sure? |
| 10:59.18 | Lunixed | yea I am in timezone GMT+5:30 |
| 10:59.29 | ojwb | and I'm in GMT+12 |
| 10:59.34 | Lunixed | you must be in GMT-7 or GMT-6:30 ? |
| 10:59.36 | ojwb | so that's 6.5 ahead of you |
| 10:59.41 | Lunixed | oops :-x |
| 10:59.52 | ojwb | as I said, there are few places ahead of here |
| 11:00.01 | Lunixed | Hmm . . then ri8 |
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| 11:00.10 | ojwb | a few pacific islands |
| 11:00.19 | Lunixed | ya ya got it ;) |
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| 11:00.24 | schumaml | ojwb: the trouble was probably "what's NZ, and where is New Zealand, anyway?" |
| 11:00.37 | Lunixed | ohh I thought its new jersey :P |
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| 11:00.41 | Lunixed | damn... |
| 11:00.45 | ojwb | schumaml: and we like to keep it that way |
| 11:00.48 | Lunixed | Its NewZealand |
| 11:00.57 | Lunixed | then ok :) |
| 11:01.10 | ojwb | makes a note not to play scrabble with you |
| 11:01.16 | Lunixed | :P |
| 11:01.47 | schumaml | ojwb: "somewhere behind those damn kangaroos!"? |
| 11:02.12 | ojwb | well, ahead of actually |
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| 11:04.09 | schumaml | that's a matter of perspective |
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| 11:53.32 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 13:53.23 | randa_ | hi all, one question do the mentors need to fill in a profile as well? |
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| 13:59.19 | ojwb | randa_: not until orgs are accepted |
| 14:01.19 | Svante | Question: In case our mentoring organization is not a legal entity, is it possible to give the 500$ to the student or directly to an account the mentor provides (e.g. donating of his choice)? - see http://bit.ly/9q41Ey#payments |
| 14:02.01 | araujo | Svante, no need to be legal entity as far as I know |
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| 14:02.08 | randa_ | thanks ojwb |
| 14:02.16 | ojwb | Svante: google will pay all the $500, plus mentor summit flight money, to a single person or entity |
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| 14:02.40 | ojwb | all of them for a particular org that is |
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| 14:02.52 | ojwb | or at least that's how it worked last year |
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| 14:03.02 | ojwb | it was slightly different the year before |
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| 14:06.31 | Svante | There are 500$/per Student/Mentor. When there are three different Mentors, the 1500$ have to go to a single person/entity? Or could each Mentor choose for instance the account of a donation organisation of his choice? Sorry for the trouble, reason: Some co-player dislike to handle the money at all, tax fears - strange problem I know..therefore he would rather love it Google could spend it directly to someone else. Is there such flexibility? |
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| 14:07.11 | madhu | hello everyone |
| 14:07.26 | ojwb | Svante: you may be able to arrange for it to go to another org in gsoc I guess |
| 14:07.26 | Ivanovic | Svante: the org receives $500 per student that the org mentored |
| 14:07.38 | Ivanovic | Svante: it depends on the org what is done with those $500 |
| 14:07.44 | ojwb | but they want one invoice per org to simplify admin |
| 14:08.04 | ojwb | and you can not claim the money and let it be used in a future gsoc |
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| 14:08.15 | Ivanovic | rusty russel gave us (wesnoth) the money of his org two years ago |
| 14:08.18 | Ivanovic | this was possible |
| 14:08.39 | Ivanovic | that is we invoiced for his org, too and received the complete "mentor funds" collected this way |
| 14:08.42 | Svante | The problem our org is no legal entity and has no shared bank account. |
| 14:09.00 | Ivanovic | then one person has to claim it as "personal income" and redistribute |
| 14:09.25 | Ivanovic | in our case the project leader claimed it as "personal income" (tax wise) and kept the money as "wesnoth money" that we eg spend on the server |
| 14:09.46 | Svante | Pay taxes for the income? Declare that no money was washed? Sorry, I am just imagining some worst case scenario.. ;) |
| 14:09.59 | araujo | Svante, you don't need to be legal entity |
| 14:10.13 | madhu | i have one question for u guys... I am in my final semster and by july i will be out of college ,...since gsoc runs till august am i elligeble for it? |
| 14:10.32 | araujo | yes |
| 14:10.33 | Ivanovic | madhu: the only thing relevant is that you are a student as of april 26th |
| 14:10.42 | Ivanovic | madhu: so yes, it sounds like you are eligible |
| 14:10.52 | Svante | araujo: But I seem to need a bank account to gather and distribute the money to the mentors or to donation organisation |
| 14:10.57 | Ivanovic | even if you graduated one day later, you would still be eligible |
| 14:11.05 | araujo | Svante, go and open a bank account |
| 14:11.06 | ojwb | Svante: yes, that can be your bank account |
| 14:11.08 | madhu | oh ok thanks...feels nice :) |
| 14:11.09 | araujo | a personal one |
| 14:11.14 | Ivanovic | Svante: exactly, the money goes to *one* bank account |
| 14:11.24 | Ivanovic | this can be a personal one or one for the org or *whatever* |
| 14:11.30 | Svante | Thanks for your help, guys! :) |
| 14:11.42 | ojwb | Svante: or you could join the SFC or one of the other non-profit umbrellas for free software projects |
| 14:11.52 | Ivanovic | as i already said, you can even give the money to other orgs |
| 14:11.57 | ojwb | but that is significant hassle |
| 14:12.41 | Svante | Ivanovic: I will investigate on the choice of SFC, thanks for the hint! |
| 14:13.15 | Ivanovic | Svante: though if you as org are accepted and are "successful" (as in "invited to the mentor conference") you will want to have some bank account |
| 14:13.21 | Ivanovic | since you just hand in one bill for everything |
| 14:13.28 | madhu | another question the potential final mentor list is out...so we students can we start to approach those mentors? |
| 14:13.37 | Ivanovic | that is: mentor money *and* travel expenses for all mentors that participate in the mentor summit |
| 14:13.44 | ihalip | madhu: it's *encouraged* |
| 14:13.53 | Ivanovic | madhu: you doN't approach mentors, you approach projects |
| 14:13.55 | ojwb | what I did the past two years was invoice google via my consulting company, then pay the other mentors as sub contractors |
| 14:14.44 | ojwb | which is fine with google - they just want an invoice and bank details |
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| 14:15.10 | madhu | ya i mean projects :) |
| 14:15.14 | Ivanovic | madhu: in general you should talk to the people of the project you want to work for "as soon as possible" and in detail, too |
| 14:15.29 | Ivanovic | the list of projects that really are accepted is due to be out in one week |
| 14:15.42 | Ivanovic | but several of the orgs from last year are likely to participate again |
| 14:16.01 | madhu | and is there any template or way to approach the projects like what are all detailss we have to give |
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| 14:19.58 | Ivanovic | every org will provide a different template regarding what they want to know |
| 14:20.07 | Ivanovic | ask the respective org, what they want to see! |
| 14:20.48 | loufoque_ | Ivanovic: wesnoth is a good game. |
| 14:20.57 | Ivanovic | i know |
| 14:20.58 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 14:21.13 | madhu | ok |
| 14:22.19 | ojwb | loufoque_: flattery will get you somewhere... |
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| 14:23.42 | rafael-ec | after submiting the organization application, all we have to do is wait and see if we are accpeted? Mentors should be added to the project later? |
| 14:24.15 | Ivanovic | rafael-ec: you can of course still finetune your ideas and get ready for a swarm of students (eg gether some "easy to implement" things) |
| 14:24.23 | Ivanovic | rafael-ec: mentors can only be added once the project is in |
| 14:24.45 | Ivanovic | (though you should already know some possible mentors and make sure that they are willing if your org is accepted ;) ) |
| 14:25.35 | rafael-ec | Yes we are ready for that |
| 14:25.52 | Ivanovic | beside this all you can do atm is "wait" |
| 14:26.08 | Ivanovic | of course being helpfull when someone asks questions in here is not wrong either |
| 14:26.10 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 14:26.31 | thebolt | Afternoon people |
| 14:26.36 | rafael-ec | I would be around then |
| 14:26.43 | rafael-ec | this irc has been really helpful |
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| 14:26.51 | rafael-ec | for a newbie like myself :) |
| 14:27.46 | aAntin | hi thebolt |
| 14:28.17 | aAntin | guess, I've seen you in another irc channel :) |
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| 14:32.39 | thebolt | aAntin: :) |
| 14:34.04 | loufoque_ | rafael-ec: for newbies, there is ##C++-basic |
| 14:34.18 | loufoque_ | oops sorry, I thought I was in another channel |
| 14:34.20 | loufoque_ | ignore tha |
| 14:34.21 | loufoque_ | t |
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| 15:17.15 | lh | happy time zone folks |
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| 15:17.38 | ojwb | lh: I see the cat herding has commenced! |
| 15:17.39 | *** topic/#gsoc by lh -> Google Summer of Code 2010 is On! - Mentoring Org Open Until 23:00 UTC today - File Feature Requests & Bugs at http://bit.ly/a5tD87 - Read the FAQs: http://bit.ly/9q41Ey - Consider Hosting a GSoC Info Session: http://bit.ly/amIwdd - We need flyer and presentations translations, videos too! |
| 15:17.43 | lh | ojwb: indeed! |
| 15:17.46 | lh | :) |
| 15:18.02 | aghisla | hi lh! |
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| 15:18.52 | lh | aghisla: greetings! |
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| 15:21.15 | kblin | hey lh |
| 15:22.02 | lh | kblin: hello my friend, how goes? |
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| 15:24.02 | lh | selenamarie: ping |
| 15:24.56 | kblin | lh: spent my day sorting paperwork, fine otherwise :) |
| 15:25.18 | lh | kblin: that sounds less fun. :) |
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| 15:26.00 | kblin | lh: well, it was necessary, so I won't complain. I can now see my desk surface again :) |
| 15:26.16 | lh | kblin: wow. i can't recall the last time that happened to me. :) |
| 15:27.49 | selenamarie | lh: hi! |
| 15:27.56 | lh | selenamarie: may I pm you? |
| 15:27.57 | lh | :) |
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| 15:27.59 | selenamarie | yes |
| 15:29.02 | ojwb | hi selenamarie |
| 15:29.04 | kblin | eep, a postgres person :) |
| 15:31.07 | tac1 | !time |
| 15:31.07 | socinfo | "time" is http://tinyurl.com/dbxnmy |
| 15:31.27 | lh | has to pay attention to the google booth at the sigcse conference |
| 15:31.32 | lh | have fun all - will try to be on later |
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| 16:13.14 | edsiper | question: in the application form for mentoring organizations, once the submit button is sent the form is sent and the information cannot be edited ? |
| 16:13.27 | edsiper | *button is clicked |
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| 16:13.30 | skbohra | it can be |
| 16:13.40 | skbohra | until the application period ends |
| 16:13.47 | edsiper | skbohra, thanks! |
| 16:13.58 | skbohra | np |
| 16:14.11 | rafael-ec | edsiper: y learn that yesterday after clicking submit |
| 16:14.27 | edsiper | rafael-ec, that was scared! |
| 16:14.32 | edsiper | rafael-ec, are you from ecuador ? |
| 16:15.13 | rafael-ec | yes |
| 16:16.04 | rafael-ec | edsiper: I have a friend from the Ubuntu communit who lives in Oslo |
| 16:16.22 | edsiper | rafael-ec, ahh ok, your country is very nice |
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| 16:17.23 | rafael-ec | edsiper: thanks :). I live next to El Cayambe volcano: http://images.google.com.ec/images?q=cayambe+volcano&oe=utf-8&rls=com.ubuntu:es-AR:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=AWmaS6_hFMO88gb7obyZDg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CCAQsAQwAw |
| 16:18.15 | edsiper | that's beautiful |
| 16:18.34 | tac1 | wow, awesome |
| 16:18.55 | kimelto | morning! |
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| 16:19.47 | chida | morning! |
| 16:20.17 | edsiper | what's the Backup Admin (Link ID) ??, i have the backup person, the link id means the nickname ?? |
| 16:20.59 | anth_x | when you sign up with melange, you pick a linkid. it's specific to the individual. the form wants that. |
| 16:21.14 | edsiper | anth_x, thanks |
| 16:22.19 | anth_x | yup. |
| 16:29.17 | King_InuYasha | application deadline is 5pm CST today |
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| 16:32.25 | issyl0 | Hi there. I'm a high school student in the UK, involved in the ubuntu community. I'm only sixteen though. Is there a minimum age to be able to participate? |
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| 16:33.04 | nsm | unfortunately i think its 18, i was disappointed for 2 years too |
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| 16:33.24 | ioggstream | hi all |
| 16:33.28 | issyl0 | nsm: oh, how annoying. Oh well, maybe in another two years for me as well then! Thanks. |
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| 16:33.55 | Sir_Gallantmon | somehow my organization has two applications listed instead of just one |
| 16:34.06 | Sir_Gallantmon | and it seems I can't delete the older one... |
| 16:34.28 | Sir_Gallantmon | will this affect our org's chances of getting accepted? |
| 16:35.11 | ioggstream | gsoc issue: our google code wiki died while I was writing our GSOC-Ideas page |
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| 16:42.26 | MatthewWilkes | Sir_Gallantmon: File a bug about not being able to withdraw the application and email lh and explain which one is the real one |
| 16:45.23 | Sir_Gallantmon | what is lh's email |
| 16:45.30 | Sir_Gallantmon | and where would I file a bug |
| 16:45.50 | Sir_Gallantmon | also, can backup admins withdraw applications? or only primary admins? |
| 16:49.35 | kblin | !support |
| 16:49.35 | socinfo | "support" is available at gsoc@google.com |
| 16:49.40 | kblin | Sir_Gallantmon: ^^^ |
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| 16:56.24 | MatthewWilkes | Sir_Gallantmon: Bugs go to http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/entry |
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| 16:57.10 | Sir_Gallantmon | I wasn't the one who submitted the application, so I don't know 100% what he did |
| 16:57.22 | Sir_Gallantmon | I'd be assuming that all he did was click submit... |
| 16:57.34 | Sir_Gallantmon | though I'm pretty sure I should have withdrawing powers |
| 16:57.45 | kblin | SRabbelier: ping |
| 16:58.12 | SRabbelier | kblin: pong? |
| 16:58.35 | kblin | SRabbelier: is it possible to withdraw an org application in melange? |
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| 17:00.28 | SRabbelier | kblin: hmmm, probably not, what for? (did you submit a duplicate?) |
| 17:00.59 | kblin | SRabbelier: Sir_Gallantmon asked |
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| 17:01.08 | SRabbelier | Sir_Gallantmon: same question |
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| 17:02.41 | edsiper | anth_x, what's the link to recover the link id ?, i cannot find it |
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| 17:03.23 | kblin | edsiper: http://socghop.appspot.com/user/edit_profile |
| 17:03.34 | edsiper | thanks |
| 17:03.40 | edsiper | oh, i used the nickname and it worked |
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| 17:04.39 | SRabbelier | edsiper: it should also say in the top bar :) |
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| 17:05.01 | edsiper | :D |
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| 17:05.31 | anth_x | should it? i have my email address but not my link id. |
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| 17:06.03 | SRabbelier | anth_x: mhhh, *tap chin*, maybe I lie :P |
| 17:06.07 | SRabbelier | *checks* |
| 17:06.28 | SRabbelier | anth_x: ah, nope, you're right |
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| 17:07.02 | glezos | Hi all. Q: How can one find the alternative admin's ID? |
| 17:07.50 | SRabbelier | glezos: ask them? |
| 17:07.54 | carols | glezos: ask him/her for it |
| 17:08.02 | chida | have you submitted the application form? |
| 17:08.11 | carols | haha sorry srabbelier :-) |
| 17:08.17 | SRabbelier | carols: ninja-ed :D |
| 17:08.23 | chida | if you have, then it should be listed in the link "List my organizations .... " |
| 17:08.27 | glezos | SRabbelier, carols: Well, they can't find it.. |
| 17:08.49 | SRabbelier | glezos: ehm, they entered it when they signed up? they can see it at http://socghop.appspot.com/user/edit_profile too |
| 17:10.56 | glezos | SRabbelier: alright, thanks. I wrongfully assumed that someone from last years would have one.. |
| 17:11.20 | SRabbelier | glezos: they do have one |
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| 17:11.34 | SRabbelier | glezos: when you sign up to the site you enter your link_id when you create your user profile |
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| 17:13.59 | skbohra | glezos: which org it is ? |
| 17:14.14 | glezos | SRabbelier: Alright, thanks a lot, seems to worked. |
| 17:14.33 | glezos | skbohra: Transifex (www.transifex.net, http://transifex.org/) |
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| 17:17.06 | skbohra | glezos: awesome |
| 17:17.16 | glezos | skbohra: Yeah, we're psyched. =) |
| 17:17.31 | anth_x | is the list of orgs that have applied (in melange, not the informal survey) public? |
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| 17:17.34 | skbohra | hehe |
| 17:17.46 | skbohra | !orgs |
| 17:17.46 | socinfo | "orgs" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009, or (#2) The list of participating organisations will be published on March 18. In the meantime, here is a list of orgs that expressed interest in participating in GSoC 2010: http://is.gd/9MVas |
| 17:17.55 | skbohra | anth_x: ^ |
| 17:18.03 | skbohra | ohh |
| 17:18.08 | anth_x | grazie |
| 17:18.14 | skbohra | i got it wrong :( |
| 17:19.04 | anth_x | to me? i just take that as a "no", which is fine. |
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| 17:19.57 | skbohra | :) |
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| 17:23.39 | Sir_Gallantmon | can other orgs be added to that public list? |
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| 17:24.42 | tony00 | ciao |
| 17:25.06 | tony00 | heiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 17:25.13 | tony00 | italiani?? |
| 17:25.19 | tony00 | inglesi? |
| 17:25.25 | tony00 | francesi? |
| 17:25.31 | tony00 | aeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 17:25.37 | kblin | hey, stop it |
| 17:25.49 | tony00 | ciao kblin |
| 17:25.57 | kblin | hi there |
| 17:26.58 | ihalip | un italiano vero :P |
| 17:27.05 | SRabbelier | ihalip: English only please |
| 17:27.11 | ihalip | ok, sorry |
| 17:27.30 | smtms | SRabbelier, can't use Google Translate? |
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| 17:27.44 | tony00 | conosci un canale italiano? |
| 17:28.12 | SRabbelier | tony00: please speak English |
| 17:28.14 | anth_x | sigh. i did not intend to start this. sorry. |
| 17:28.21 | tony00 | :p |
| 17:28.23 | SRabbelier | smtms: why don't _they_ use it instead? |
| 17:28.33 | smtms | SRabbelier, because they know Italian? |
| 17:28.37 | SRabbelier | smtms: from a time perspective that'd be more efficient |
| 17:28.53 | kblin | smtms: but _we_ got ops ;) |
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| 17:29.00 | anth_x | heh |
| 17:29.08 | SRabbelier | smtms: on one hand there's the option of having 272 people use Google translate to figure out what those two are saying, and on there other hand there's the option of having 2 people use it, and speak in English |
| 17:29.16 | SRabbelier | smtms: which one do _you_ think we should choose? |
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| 17:29.24 | carols | smtms: the language of Summer of Code is English. its awesome that people who participate speak other languages, but in IRC and in all our communications we require English. |
| 17:30.05 | Sir_Gallantmon | English is the *lingua franca* of the modern world, so you must use it in Summer of Code |
| 17:30.18 | MatthewWilkes | hehe |
| 17:30.20 | anth_x | i doubt anyone would be upset with a #gsoc-it or the like. but in a mixed forum like this one, a common language is important. |
| 17:30.26 | smtms | I like carols' answer best |
| 17:30.28 | carols | said even better than i could, sir_gallantmon :-) |
| 17:30.35 | MatthewWilkes | To be fair, it is pretty easily understood italian |
| 17:30.55 | MatthewWilkes | yay, my graze box is in the post :) |
| 17:31.01 | tony00 | ?? |
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| 17:31.16 | tony00 | io lo studio a scuola inglese |
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| 17:31.24 | tony00 | ma non lo sò bene |
| 17:31.39 | anth_x | tony00: i really suggest you stop. |
| 17:31.51 | Sir_Gallantmon | though, from my limited knowledge of Spanish, it isn't too difficult to discern what people say in Italian |
| 17:32.13 | *** kick/#gsoc [tony00!~SRabbelie@ip138-114-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] by SRabbelier (Please speak in english (Si prega di parlare in inglese)) |
| 17:32.23 | SRabbelier | smtms: there, I even used Google translate |
| 17:32.34 | anth_x | heh. extra style points for the bilingual kick message! |
| 17:32.35 | Sir_Gallantmon | I don't think that's quite right, the translate... |
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| 17:32.47 | SRabbelier | bows |
| 17:32.50 | SRabbelier | anth_x: thank you, thank you |
| 17:33.02 | SRabbelier | Sir_Gallantmon: probably not, but eh, I think the kick got the message across too, no? |
| 17:33.03 | Sir_Gallantmon | oh well |
| 17:33.11 | Sir_Gallantmon | SRabbelier: yep |
| 17:33.29 | Sir_Gallantmon | at least he didn't try a language like Arabic |
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| 17:33.44 | Sir_Gallantmon | IRC programs can *crash* attempting to render Arabic |
| 17:33.46 | edsiper | mchua, hey! |
| 17:33.58 | SRabbelier | Sir_Gallantmon: hehe, yes, that'd be a bother |
| 17:34.01 | MatthewWilkes | Sir_Gallantmon: Only broken ones |
| 17:34.12 | dankegel | kai: has anyone signed up wine yet? |
| 17:34.13 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: that narrows it down... :P |
| 17:34.17 | Sir_Gallantmon | unfortunately, there are a lot of broken ones in use :P |
| 17:34.19 | ioggstream | sorry to need your help |
| 17:34.23 | ioggstream | ;) |
| 17:34.26 | MatthewWilkes | There wouldn't be if more people used arabic! |
| 17:34.35 | ioggstream | I tried to submit the googlecode wiki issue |
| 17:34.38 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: I think we can do without ^^ |
| 17:34.56 | ioggstream | but I didn't find a resource for doing it |
| 17:35.09 | ioggstream | so I created a new project on googlecode |
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| 17:35.25 | ioggstream | just for referencing gsoc issues |
| 17:35.34 | ioggstream | is it a problem? |
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| 17:35.54 | carols | ioggstream: are you trying to report a bug? |
| 17:36.00 | jermar | !orgs |
| 17:36.01 | socinfo | "orgs" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009, or (#2) The list of participating organisations will be published on March 18. In the meantime, here is a list of orgs that expressed interest in participating in GSoC 2010: http://is.gd/9MVas |
| 17:36.10 | ioggstream | yes |
| 17:36.13 | Conan_Kudo | I'm hoping through the GSoC that my project does get proper support for languages like Arabic |
| 17:36.24 | carols | have you tried this page, ioggstream? http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list |
| 17:36.38 | Conan_Kudo | full unicode support is a big deal nowadays |
| 17:37.08 | edsiper | socinfo, who owns the spreadsheet ? |
| 17:37.08 | socinfo | Error: "who" is not a valid command. |
| 17:37.09 | ioggstream | @carols: uep...the tracking issue |
| 17:37.21 | edsiper | ahh, a bot |
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| 17:38.11 | ioggstream | @carols: until they fix it, is it ok to put gsoc stuff on a newly created project page? |
| 17:38.26 | vptr | what is this plone foundation? i heard people talking about it in here |
| 17:38.42 | MatthewWilkes | hehe :) |
| 17:38.46 | carols | ioggstream: your issue is with the page itself? i don't think i understand why you're creating a new page. |
| 17:38.55 | MatthewWilkes | vptr: It's the organisation I represent, check out http://www.plone.org |
| 17:39.07 | mchua | edsiper: oh hey, long time no see! |
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| 17:39.17 | MatthewWilkes | is clearly blabbing on about his project too much |
| 17:39.30 | edsiper | mchua, yeah!, how's going ?, are you still participating in OLPC ? |
| 17:39.36 | carols | matthewwilkes: i don't think there's such a thing as "too much" |
| 17:39.49 | ioggstream | @carols: when I edit the wiki, the pages are not updated |
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| 17:40.09 | mchua | edsiper: I moved to Fedora and Sugar Labs when the software development moved upstream, but I still keep an eye on things once in a while. |
| 17:40.15 | ioggstream | @carols: I tried to edit wiki by svn but I still see the old page |
| 17:40.20 | mchua | edsiper: where the software community goes, I go. ;) |
| 17:40.31 | edsiper | mchua, good to heard that :) |
| 17:40.32 | carols | ioggstream: have you tried refreshing? |
| 17:40.54 | edsiper | mchua, are you participating like a mentor or student ? |
| 17:40.55 | ioggstream | @carols: -_- yep, closing browser, changing browser, ... |
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| 17:41.29 | mchua | edsiper: Neither, this summer - general admin support is probably the best description. |
| 17:41.29 | ioggstream | @carols: all started when I click on "preview" page |
| 17:41.35 | mchua | edsiper: Too many other things on my plate right now. You? |
| 17:42.00 | ioggstream | @carols: since then, all wiki page seem locked like there was a concurrent editing |
| 17:42.14 | edsiper | mchua, this year i'm applying my organization http://www.monkey-project.com/GSoC2010 |
| 17:42.37 | glezos | MatthewWilkes: btw -- have you seen this? http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/Plone/c/PloneTranslations/ |
| 17:42.55 | glezos | MatthewWilkes: you guys should check Tx out. |
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| 17:43.18 | mchua | edsiper: sweet, good luck! |
| 17:43.25 | carols | ioggstream: you clicked "new issue" to begin with? and then "submit issue" when you were done? |
| 17:43.27 | mchua | has to run, back later |
| 17:43.40 | VDVsx | glezos, is Tx applying ? :) |
| 17:43.47 | glezos | VDVsx: YES! |
| 17:43.54 | VDVsx | cool, good luck |
| 17:43.54 | glezos | VDVsx: http://trac.transifex.org/wiki/Development/SummerCoding |
| 17:44.26 | MatthewWilkes | glezos: Hm, no, I hadn't seen that. Interesting! |
| 17:44.39 | edsiper | mchua, thanks |
| 17:45.32 | glezos | VDVsx: Cheers from alup (Andreas from Barcelona Weekend) -- he's standing next to me |
| 17:45.32 | ioggstream | @carols: maybe I didn't explain myself. so now I'll file an issue |
| 17:45.32 | carols | ok, thanks ioggstream |
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| 17:45.33 | glezos | MatthewWilkes: Let me know if you'd like to use Tx.net for translation management or sth. We hang around #transifex |
| 17:45.33 | VDVsx | glezos, hehe, cheers back ;) |
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| 17:46.23 | anth_x | i just made socinfo mad at me. is there a way to find a list of valid commands? |
| 17:46.24 | glezos | VDVsx: We're hoping to get accepted so that projects like Maemo/Meego can spend their slots to ideas which are closer to the core goals |
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| 17:46.55 | MatthewWilkes | glezos: The best person to talk to is Vincent Fretin, he's the i18n team lead. I'll point him towards it though |
| 17:47.17 | glezos | mchua: We need to meet sometime. I need to buy you a beer for all the work you've done with Fedora. |
| 17:47.29 | VDVsx | glezos, hoping the same, but if not, and we get accepted contact us ;) |
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| 17:47.53 | MatthewWilkes | My graze box due tomorrow contains: Pitted Greek green Amphissa olives with fresh basil & garlic in extra virgin olive oil, green raisins, hazelnuts and jumbo raisins, golden honey nut almonds and lightly roasted pumpkin and sunflower seeds |
| 17:47.55 | MatthewWilkes | mmmmm :D |
| 17:48.14 | glezos | MatthewWilkes: wow. |
| 17:48.14 | anth_x | ooo. |
| 17:48.18 | carols | is suddenly jealous of matthewwilkes |
| 17:48.36 | anth_x | so, uh, hey buddy.... where do you live again? ;-) |
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| 17:48.44 | MatthewWilkes | carols: graze.com - just launched here, dunno if/when it will hit the US |
| 17:48.56 | glezos | amazed that Amphissa olives are so popular. =) |
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| 17:52.08 | carols | wow, sounds wonderful matthewwilkes. we have CSA boxes here but that just sounds...so much better :-) |
| 17:52.13 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: graze box? |
| 17:52.46 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: See link from 4 mins ago |
| 17:52.56 | SRabbelier | oh, right |
| 17:53.02 | ioggstream | @carols: issue link http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=783 |
| 17:53.30 | ioggstream | carols: I wish it's understandable |
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| 17:54.00 | anth_x | carols: you in CA too? i'm so jealous of my CA friends with year-round CSA. |
| 17:54.04 | carols | thanks ioggstream, ill look it over |
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| 17:54.37 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: cool idea |
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| 17:57.44 | carols | anth_x: indeed i am. san francisco, even. i love it here but i am often jealous of my brethren across the pond |
| 17:58.51 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: although I'm not sure how http://www.graze.com/products/ingredient/398/dark-chocolate-coated-sunflower-seeds are very healthy |
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| 17:59.14 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: it is in the 'treats' section! |
| 17:59.28 | SRabbelier | oh, right :P |
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| 17:59.45 | anth_x | anti-oxidentes? isn't that the universal answer this year? |
| 18:00.00 | aghisla | the chocolate is the healthy part I suppose |
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| 18:00.33 | carols | is drooling over all the graze goodies |
| 18:02.10 | davidsansome | fun fact: a graze box is *just* the right size to house the insides of an eee pc, if you cut holes in the side of the box for power and network cables! |
| 18:02.13 | anth_x | i'm trying to figure out where to find an actual cocoa fruit. |
| 18:03.12 | aghisla | !logs |
| 18:03.12 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 18:04.17 | anth_x | that's interesting. does that link work for other people? |
| 18:04.28 | MatthewWilkes | carols: It's tiding me over until summer when I can start going to http://www.theoliveshed.com/gallery.htm again (too cold atm) |
| 18:04.29 | anth_x | something in my stack is botching the URL encoding. |
| 18:04.38 | MatthewWilkes | anth_x: Works for me |
| 18:04.51 | MatthewWilkes | anth_x: Try http://ibot.rikers.org/#gsoc/ ? |
| 18:05.29 | anth_x | yeah, that works. |
| 18:05.36 | carols | matthewwilkes: i loves me some olives. i am so looking forward to my (only one day!) in london soon |
| 18:05.53 | anth_x | ooo! borough market! |
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| 18:06.57 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Only one day? Hardly enough! |
| 18:07.50 | carols | matthewwilkes: i totally agree. i am too much of an anglophile to only spend one day in the UK. however, i have almost two weeks in the netherlands and couldn't justify more time abroad for this trip |
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| 18:09.03 | aghisla | uhm |
| 18:09.11 | aghisla | did you visit belgium as well? |
| 18:09.13 | anth_x | what day of the week are you there? |
| 18:09.33 | carols | anth_x: im there april 11 - 20 |
| 18:09.40 | carols | anth_x: oh, in london? |
| 18:09.43 | anth_x | sorry, yeah. |
| 18:10.03 | carols | anth_x: april 21. first stop is Flat White |
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| 18:10.53 | carols | aghisla: i would love to go to belgium, but not this trip. i want some time to enjoy the beer without a rush :-) |
| 18:11.07 | aghisla | yes! glad that you appreciate belgian beers :) |
| 18:11.09 | mlankhorst | oo |
| 18:11.29 | carols | aghisla: my favorite. :-) |
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| 18:11.57 | Trademark | I'm belgian too =D |
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| 18:12.18 | Trademark | who spoke about beers ? :p |
| 18:12.20 | aghisla | good good - which one? |
| 18:12.38 | aghisla | has a tshirt claiming Save water, drink beer |
| 18:13.02 | Trademark | lol |
| 18:13.05 | danderson | tonight, we dine IN HELL! |
| 18:13.10 | danderson | and then we go to THE PUB! |
| 18:13.15 | bcollet | \o/ |
| 18:13.18 | mlankhorst | in the batmobile! |
| 18:13.19 | Trademark | aghisla, Orval is the best, isn't it ? |
| 18:13.23 | mlankhorst | because batman won't get a DUI |
| 18:13.29 | bcollet | danderson: let's go it's time :) |
| 18:13.50 | carols | aghisla: i love lambic of all sorts and varieties. but really, trappist ales are my favorite. the monks know how to do beer :-) |
| 18:14.09 | aghisla | yes indeed |
| 18:14.17 | mlankhorst | danderson: are you working on mozilla? :P |
| 18:14.41 | aghisla | Trademark: Orval is very very good, but i prefer Chimay |
| 18:14.56 | carols | drools over chimay blue |
| 18:14.58 | aghisla | anyway there are so many all tasty |
| 18:15.07 | aghisla | carols is my new best friend |
| 18:15.17 | carols | laughs |
| 18:15.29 | schumaml | "What kind of assistance do you expect from your mentor?" - does any org have something like this in their templates? |
| 18:15.32 | mlankhorst | don't let lh hear that :P |
| 18:15.37 | Catfish_Man | carols: I imagine you're in the bay area, have you been to Monk's Kettle? |
| 18:15.39 | schumaml | I wonder if it's do more harm than good |
| 18:15.45 | mlankhorst | schumaml: not me? :s |
| 18:16.15 | carols | catfish_man: of course! just went to the SF beer week dinner they had there http://picasaweb.google.com/csmith107/MonkSKettleBeerDinner# |
| 18:16.17 | mlankhorst | doesn't have templates for wine, when it's open ended their applies tell a LOT :) |
| 18:16.43 | Catfish_Man | carols: the cheese plate there is to die for. I don't drink, but I still love that place :) |
| 18:17.01 | anth_x | oooh, chimay. maybe the best anywhere. |
| 18:17.03 | carols | catfish_man: for sure. they are great. could stand to be a little bigger though :-) |
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| 18:17.17 | Catfish_Man | hah, that's true of any popular restaurant in the mission |
| 18:17.30 | carols | fair point, catfish_man. |
| 18:17.35 | Catfish_Man | Ike's? 2 hour line. Chloe's? 45 minute line. |
| 18:18.08 | Catfish_Man | mmm chloe's. Why am I going to work instead of getting breakfast there |
| 18:18.09 | Catfish_Man | sigh |
| 18:18.24 | carols | there's always tomorrow, catfish_man |
| 18:18.32 | Catfish_Man | that is true :) |
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| 18:18.47 | Catfish_Man | and I can't get delicious french toast unless I get paid, so it works out |
| 18:19.08 | aghisla | :( |
| 18:19.17 | aghisla | prepares breakfast for Catfish_Man |
| 18:19.24 | aghisla | with a belgian beer :) |
| 18:19.43 | carols | is having tea now that we've been talking all this beer :-) |
| 18:19.45 | Catfish_Man | heh, I don't drink, you're welcome to the beer ;) |
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| 18:20.31 | aghisla | i tasted a beer from namibia it was not so bad heh, a bit bitter |
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| 18:21.11 | revg | hey |
| 18:21.37 | carols | aghisla: sounds interesting, i like bitter beer |
| 18:22.12 | aghisla | Windhoek if i remember well |
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| 18:23.40 | aghisla | carols: you'd like Orval then, and St Feuillen |
| 18:23.58 | carols | aghisla: sounds good - i haven't heard of either of those |
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| 18:24.52 | aghisla | they are belgian abbey beers |
| 18:24.59 | carols | yummy |
| 18:25.00 | mlankhorst | :} |
| 18:25.01 | mlankhorst | mm |
| 18:25.04 | aghisla | the best |
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| 18:25.34 | mlankhorst | die abdijen weten wel hoe ze bier moeten brouwen ;p |
| 18:25.46 | aghisla | :) |
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| 18:30.06 | revg | dfg |
| 18:30.46 | mlankhorst | tries not to drink too much |
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| 18:31.21 | aghisla | mlankhorst: if you are in belgium it's difficult :P |
| 18:32.14 | mlankhorst | cheap in holland too |
| 18:33.07 | mlankhorst | third of the people living in groningen (city) are student ;) |
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| 18:33.43 | aghisla | :o |
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| 18:36.54 | Arc | can we change the student application template after the org application has been submitted? |
| 18:37.02 | mlankhorst | http://maps.google.nl/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=nl&geocode=&q=groningen&sll=52.469397,5.509644&sspn=3.969024,6.580811&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Groningen&ll=53.211854,6.563084&spn=0,359.997371&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=53.211262,6.563491&panoid=Dv_LUnWOx6At8I32No1Q_Q&cbp=12,96.43,,0,15.22 parking at the groningen train station ;) |
| 18:37.14 | mlankhorst | that whole building is for bikes |
| 18:37.28 | mlankhorst | and it's still too small |
| 18:37.47 | aghisla | \o/ |
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| 18:39.03 | mlankhorst | every few weeks they remove unused bikes by labelling them all, as soon as you move a wheel the label breaks, hell lot of work ;) |
| 18:40.39 | carols | plops down on the open source couch and sips some tea |
| 18:41.43 | Catfish_Man | presumably it's a very patchy couch by now |
| 18:41.54 | mlankhorst | nah |
| 18:41.55 | Arc | patchwork, anyway |
| 18:42.07 | mlankhorst | !couch |
| 18:42.07 | socinfo | Error: "couch" is not a valid command. |
| 18:42.14 | mlankhorst | !carols |
| 18:42.14 | socinfo | Error: "carols" is not a valid command. |
| 18:42.21 | carols | catfish_man: quite comfortable, and anyone can access it :-) |
| 18:42.28 | mlankhorst | or build their own |
| 18:42.41 | Arc | !fork couch -> sofa |
| 18:42.41 | socinfo | Error: "fork" is not a valid command. |
| 18:42.53 | thebolt | mlankhorst: here its only 1/5 that are students.. and no building ofr parking your bike, you have to do it outside :P |
| 18:42.53 | aghisla | spoon |
| 18:43.12 | Arc | hey im trying to wrap up our org app, anyone know re: being able to change student app template afterward? |
| 18:43.18 | Arc | or is this the only chance we get |
| 18:43.32 | mlankhorst | thebolt: define 'here' |
| 18:43.57 | schumaml | Arc: in previous years, it has been suggested that you put the link to an external template there |
| 18:44.12 | thebolt | mlankhorst: Linkoping, Sweden :) |
| 18:44.39 | mlankhorst | ah ;P |
| 18:44.51 | mlankhorst | bikes everywhere in groningen |
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| 18:45.36 | thebolt | yea, not _that_ bad here |
| 18:45.37 | mlankhorst | the station has roofed bike parking because it's used a lot for when students go visit their parent in the weekend |
| 18:46.12 | mlankhorst | that building is completely filled in such a way that it's physically impossible to park your bike between 2 other bikes ;) |
| 18:46.28 | mlankhorst | but i have to go, bbl |
| 18:46.42 | aghisla | mlankhorst: o/ |
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| 18:47.28 | mlankhorst | o/ |
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| 18:52.49 | yeswanth | can any one guide me getting selected in gsoc as a student |
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| 18:54.04 | carols | yeswanth: do you already have a project idea? |
| 18:54.05 | araujo | yeswanth, guide you? .. well, the process in general is very simple, just apply for ideas in the organizations you want |
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| 18:55.34 | yeswanth | yes i have an idea |
| 18:56.07 | carols | yeswanth: then have you spoken to the organization you're interested in working with about your idea? |
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| 18:56.47 | yeswanth | no... how do i do that? |
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| 18:57.40 | ihalip | take a look at orgs that participated last year, and those who have ideas set up for this year; you can get in touch them on mailing lists / irc |
| 18:57.48 | ihalip | !orgs |
| 18:57.48 | socinfo | "orgs" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009, or (#2) The list of participating organisations will be published on March 18. In the meantime, here is a list of orgs that expressed interest in participating in GSoC 2010: http://is.gd/9MVas |
| 18:58.07 | araujo | yeswanth, contact that organization, talk to mentors, get involved in the community ... and wait for the gsoc timeline |
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| 18:58.34 | araujo | still waiting for the list of the accepted orgs, and then to open student application |
| 18:58.51 | ihalip | what i used to do was google for "summer of code 2010" - you'll find lots of pages with proposed projects |
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| 19:14.09 | carols | has been having a bad computer day |
| 19:14.17 | carols | grumbles to herself on the open source couch |
| 19:14.31 | Jeff_S | :( |
| 19:14.56 | Jeff_S | hmm, I just got a server error trying to access the orgapp... I'll retry |
| 19:15.28 | carols | jeff_s: well, at least that's one thing thats still working on my computer |
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| 19:16.08 | Jeff_S | carols: 2nd time was the charm - I got it now :) |
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| 19:16.34 | carols | jeff_s: awesome. :-) sounds like a lot of people are waiting till the last minute on the app :-P |
| 19:16.51 | Jeff_S | carols: this is early! :) |
| 19:16.57 | carols | laughs |
| 19:17.05 | carols | yes it is, jeff_s, yes it is. |
| 19:17.07 | Jeff_S | we've got like 4 hours still ;) |
| 19:17.12 | carols | plenty of time. |
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| 19:26.37 | Jeff_S | " |
| 19:26.38 | Jeff_S | Organization Application submitted. |
| 19:26.41 | Jeff_S | yay! |
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| 19:27.50 | ihalip | Jeff_S - good luck |
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| 19:28.10 | ioggstream | @carols: maybe google is migrating data... some hours ago the same was happening to other people http://code.google.com/p/support/issues/detail?id=3704 |
| 19:28.13 | Jeff_S | ihalip: I'll keep my fingers crossed |
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| 19:29.06 | carols | good to know, thanks ioggstream |
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| 19:58.28 | ioggstream | @carols: now everything seems ok...maybe migration ended |
| 19:59.08 | carols | very possible, ioggstream |
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| 20:01.07 | edsiper | who owns http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=t-XzUSGaMoJIM9lPmCMVezA&output=html ? |
| 20:02.50 | dhaun | edsiper: robbyoconnor does - see the gsoc-discuss list |
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| 20:03.04 | edsiper | dhaun, thanks |
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| 20:06.36 | DrJoel | edsiper: can you drop the trailing q from Project for RTEMS? |
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| 20:07.04 | DrJoel | edsiper: How many orgs is that? It doesn't look like near enough. Should be ~150-200 I would think |
| 20:07.49 | edsiper | DrJoel, sorry, i dont' own that spreadsheet, as the list said, is an volunteer effort to very early students |
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| 20:08.40 | DrJoel | sorry.. I read that as a statement not a question |
| 20:08.48 | DrJoel | But it doesn't look like enough orgs, does it? |
| 20:09.22 | DrJoel | just hopes the torrent of the virtual machine image we did for potential RTEMS students is actually accessible. :( |
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| 20:15.43 | schumaml | DrJoel: the purpose and state of this spreadsheet is explained on the list |
| 20:16.35 | DrJoel | I know.. just surprised there aren't more entries. |
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| 20:16.59 | edsiper | DrJoel, well, i tried to add my organization but i didn't get the permission |
| 20:17.05 | edsiper | maybe it happens to others.. |
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| 20:17.56 | DrJoel | I just entered ours into a form.. oh well who knows.. |
| 20:18.17 | edsiper | i couldn't :/ |
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| 20:20.36 | rafael-ec | is it ok if list of ideas are dynamic? I mean that they can change during next week while google review the aplications? |
| 20:21.15 | Chainsaw | rafael-ec: I would say it's entirely reasonable for more ideas to appear. |
| 20:21.43 | Chainsaw | rafael-ec: And for some existing ones to be improved upon. Seeing a completely different set of ideas every day could be classed as suspicious though. |
| 20:22.15 | edsiper | rafael-ec, what's your organization ? |
| 20:22.34 | rafael-ec | Chainsaw: imrpoving ideas already posted should be fine? |
| 20:22.41 | rafael-ec | Elastix |
| 20:23.05 | rafael-ec | http://www.elastix.org/component/option,com_openwiki/Itemid,27/id,google_summer_of_code_list_of_ideas/lang,es/ |
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| 20:23.16 | Chainsaw | rafael-ec: Yes, I think that's an entirely normal part of posting ideas online. |
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| 20:24.25 | rafael-ec | Chainsaw: thanks |
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| 20:26.59 | edsiper | rafael-ec, cool |
| 20:27.05 | Arac | Hay guys/girls |
| 20:27.08 | DrJoel | rafael-ec: I am from RTEMS and ours is far from static. Not churning but not fixed. |
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| 20:28.13 | edsiper | hi Arac |
| 20:28.17 | Arac | yo |
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| 20:28.29 | DrJoel | rafael-ec: If you have a contact point or preferred mentor for the idea, you might consider adding it. |
| 20:28.48 | Arac | ive got a question concerning the payment from google for finished projects on GSOC |
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| 20:29.13 | kblin | Arac: have you checked the faq? |
| 20:29.18 | Arac | yeah i have |
| 20:29.20 | Arac | but |
| 20:29.37 | Arac | what project size is expected |
| 20:30.01 | kblin | I'm not sure I understand your question |
| 20:30.02 | Arac | some mentoring organisations only need a web interface or rather simple stuff |
| 20:30.21 | Arac | does google pay the full prize for ratehr small projects? |
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| 20:30.29 | kblin | the student is expected to work for three months |
| 20:30.42 | rafael-ec | DrJoel: good idea thanks |
| 20:31.05 | Catfish_Man | Arac: if the project is too small to fill the available time, the mentoring organization will be expected to work with the student to expand or polish it |
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| 20:31.18 | edsiper | Arac, yep, full price |
| 20:31.21 | Arac | wow |
| 20:31.26 | edsiper | there's no difference |
| 20:31.46 | Arac | then i gotta recheck something because a friend at the uni told me something different |
| 20:32.38 | edsiper | Arac, consider that Google provides a limited number of slots per organization, so if the organization has more ideas than slots, they will decide to go over the ones with higher priority (just like a comment) |
| 20:33.07 | Arac | ok i think i get it now |
| 20:33.17 | kblin | edsiper: actually, I've never sorted by priority |
| 20:33.25 | Arac | cause i heard hat smaller projects get less paid or something like that |
| 20:33.28 | kblin | priority as in "we need this feature" |
| 20:33.54 | Catfish_Man | Arac: you heard wrong. The idea is that there aren't any smaller project. They're all 3 months full-time work |
| 20:33.55 | araujo | Arac, no, but you are expected to work full time during the three months |
| 20:33.57 | Catfish_Man | *projects |
| 20:33.59 | kblin | Arac: nope, always three months, always the full money.. (assuming you don't get failed) |
| 20:34.00 | edsiper | kblin, i saw some projects putting some priority last year.. what's your organization ? |
| 20:34.20 | kblin | edsiper: WorldForge, Wine and Samba, respectively |
| 20:34.27 | Arac | ok, thanks guys / girls^^ |
| 20:34.28 | edsiper | nice |
| 20:34.56 | edsiper | kblin, what's your criteria selection ? (it looks interesting for the projects listed) |
| 20:36.33 | kblin | edsiper: I admined/mentored for two years now, and I'd say we mostly decided on questions of "how likely will the student be able to implement what she promised" and "how likely will the student stay around after GSoC is over" |
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| 20:37.24 | Chainsaw | edsiper: We've found that the quality of the proposal says a lot. i.e. is it just a rehash of your idea in different words or is there a genuine understanding and is the student building on the foundation you laid down. |
| 20:37.41 | edsiper | kblin, i understand |
| 20:37.47 | edsiper | :) |
| 20:37.49 | kblin | the amount of work the student does during GSoC isn't really significant |
| 20:38.21 | edsiper | Chainsaw, nice.. |
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| 20:38.36 | Chainsaw | edsiper: The best coder I've had was also very good at planning her time. I helped put her ideas into words for the web form, but you can generally tell in a 10 minute conversation on IRC whether they "got it" or not. |
| 20:38.47 | edsiper | i'm asking because this is (our) first time applying as organization, looks interesting your past experience |
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| 20:39.19 | Chainsaw | edsiper: (And you may want to consider setting a code challenge. Just to see what their coding style is like and how good they really are at turning ideas into working code) |
| 20:39.24 | edsiper | kblin, i was a student and i don't agree with you, it depends of the project + idea + mentor + student.. |
| 20:39.35 | araujo | greets Chainsaw |
| 20:39.44 | Chainsaw | tips hat to araujo |
| 20:39.52 | edsiper | hehe |
| 20:39.58 | carols | you guys are so awesome. |
| 20:39.59 | araujo | :) |
| 20:40.02 | kblin | edsiper: if I weight the code a student usually produces during gsoc compared with the code a mentor could have produced in the time she spent mentoring, you usually don't gain much |
| 20:40.13 | carols | i love this community. |
| 20:40.21 | kblin | edsiper: but of course that's not the point of gsoc for a mentoring org |
| 20:40.34 | edsiper | kblin, i got your point |
| 20:40.42 | Chainsaw | edsiper: Let me see if we've got our pages from last year up still. |
| 20:41.15 | kblin | edsiper: I'm not saying that students don't produce code. I was a student 2005-2007, it sure was a lot of work for me :) |
| 20:41.40 | kblin | edsiper: I agree on Chainsaw's idea of a coding challenge, btw |
| 20:41.46 | edsiper | yeah, it looks good |
| 20:42.02 | Chainsaw | I made a judgement call and went for one student that needed a lot of help on the code challenge. |
| 20:42.45 | kblin | edsiper: This year, WorldForge is planning on having a gsoc test repository, where the code will have some bugs, some more obvious some less obvious, that we require the students to fix |
| 20:42.50 | Chainsaw | And that's the one failed student I've had. |
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| 20:44.05 | Chainsaw | edsiper: It's good if you can find something that doesn't yet exist (in my case: WMA tag writing) and is relevant to the task at hand (a tag reading/writing library). |
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| 20:44.17 | DrJoel | RTEMS has a gating project also. Our one failed student from 2008 would have been caught by it. |
| 20:44.32 | Chainsaw | edsiper: People will serve you a copy/pasta salad if you give them the chance. It's sad, but true. |
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| 20:45.25 | kblin | edsiper: right, I probably don't need to tell you, but if someone just pastes the project idea from your ideas page, just ditch the proposal :) |
| 20:45.40 | edsiper | yeah, got it :) |
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| 20:46.00 | edsiper | Chainsaw, kblin i'm thinking in a good interview, the feedback given is appreciated :) |
| 20:46.48 | Chainsaw | edsiper: Exactly. And it's worth getting people on IRC. If you collaborate in real-time, you'll notice suspicious pauses when you ask questions. |
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| 20:47.57 | Chainsaw | Nearing my station, so I'll be gone suddenly. |
| 20:48.00 | sreich | what's suspicious about pauses? |
| 20:48.20 | Chainsaw | sreich: *panic* *panic* Google *think* rehashed webpage |
| 20:48.34 | sreich | ah |
| 20:48.36 | Chainsaw | sreich: As opposed to "Sure, I know this, etc etc" |
| 20:49.03 | Chainsaw | Yes, station soon. Will be back later :) |
| 20:49.06 | edsiper | well, some people has problems with english when talking, but don't when writing.. |
| 20:49.46 | sreich | right |
| 20:49.58 | sreich | although that isn't suspicious in any way, I would imagine :) |
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| 20:50.27 | kblin | edsiper: on IRC, that shouldn't be an issue |
| 20:50.40 | edsiper | kblin, yep |
| 20:50.43 | kblin | edsiper: over voip, it might be |
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| 20:52.01 | sreich | plus, personally I think that over IRC gives the student time to think stuff over |
| 20:52.23 | sreich | for instance, sometimes I read/hear something, and after I reread it, I see it a different way |
| 20:52.43 | kblin | yeah, we don't do inverviews using voip |
| 20:53.03 | kblin | I just know some orgs do |
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| 21:11.26 | King_InuYasha | ... |
| 21:11.39 | Trademark | !timeline |
| 21:11.39 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 21:12.26 | Conan_Kudo | in two hours, application window will close |
| 21:12.41 | aghisla | D: |
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| 21:16.39 | ojwb | melange seems oddly slow right now |
| 21:17.46 | David_Honeynet | ojwb: people like me making last minute org application edits ;-) |
| 21:18.09 | kblin | you too, brutus? |
| 21:20.32 | DrJoel | is glad he did a final review this morning. |
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| 21:22.18 | kblin | I needed to add a bit about the Org that is joining under the Samba umbrella :) |
| 21:25.03 | DrJoel | kblin: there is always something to add. I keep having a feeling that I forgot to add an idea to the open projects list but can't remember what it was |
| 21:25.10 | Conan_Kudo | hopes the application for his organization is good enough... |
| 21:26.17 | DrJoel | wonders how one could put some nice chocolate in the application.. :) |
| 21:26.38 | carols | drjoel: i'll just take chocolate independent of the application process ;-) |
| 21:27.15 | kblin | carols: assuming I get in, we can arrange for something at the mentor summit ;) |
| 21:27.38 | carols | kblin: mmm chocolate tasting would be fun :-) |
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| 21:27.51 | carols | notes that to put on the mentor summit planning |
| 21:27.52 | mlankhor1t | eve |
| 21:27.58 | mlankhor1t | his hands are frozen |
| 21:28.29 | kblin | mlankhor1t: more grog! |
| 21:28.32 | Ivanovic | remembers the session from two years ago that was about the importance of cholate for open source development |
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| 21:28.41 | Ivanovic | was a great session |
| 21:28.55 | Ivanovic | (especially because of the free chocolate!) |
| 21:28.57 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 21:29.04 | mlankhor1t | yarr |
| 21:29.04 | kblin | :) |
| 21:29.05 | carols | lvanovic: who gave that session? |
| 21:29.11 | carols | i need to remember to attend :-) |
| 21:29.13 | mlankhor1t | would have been nice if i had some |
| 21:29.16 | mlankhor1t | typing is painful.. |
| 21:29.20 | Ivanovic | uhm, good question, i don't know |
| 21:29.30 | carols | might have to plan one herself |
| 21:29.31 | kblin | should be on the wiki :) |
| 21:29.33 | Ivanovic | mlankhor1t: grog or chocoloate? |
| 21:29.35 | Ivanovic | or both? |
| 21:29.41 | mlankhor1t | BOTH |
| 21:29.47 | Ivanovic | :) |
| 21:30.03 | mlankhor1t | well i have chocolate cookies |
| 21:30.14 | kblin | mlankhor1t: it seems your frozen fingers made you hit the caps keys, let me fix that for you |
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| 21:30.26 | kblin | ;) |
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| 21:30.45 | mlankhor1t | :/ |
| 21:30.49 | DrJoel | last year a bzflag developer brought tank cookies :) |
| 21:31.00 | Ivanovic | ain't this a little harsh for someone without pure chocolate and no grog at hand? |
| 21:31.08 | mlankhorst | kblin: I have all non-msgs on ignore for gsoc |
| 21:31.18 | mlankhorst | planned ahead for the student acceptance madness |
| 21:31.24 | ihalip | hah |
| 21:31.27 | mlankhorst | so i only saw 22:30 -!- mlankhorst #gsoc Cannot change nickname while banned on channel |
| 21:31.42 | kblin | I set you +q |
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| 21:32.41 | kblin | dusting off my /mute alias for the student acceptance madness as well |
| 21:33.12 | Ivanovic | before the student mess starts there is still the "lets explain orgs why they are not accepted" mess which is a little busy, too |
| 21:33.13 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 21:33.31 | mlankhorst | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.43 | scorche | ;) |
| 21:33.53 | mlankhorst | Ivanovic: slightly less ;) |
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| 21:34.06 | mlankhorst | order of magnitude difference |
| 21:34.09 | Ivanovic | mlankhorst: yes, the mess with duplicate resolution is really bad |
| 21:34.39 | Ivanovic | i think that is the "yearly high" in user numbers for this chan... |
| 21:35.11 | mlankhorst | actually, I'm pretty sure we set off every botnet detection alarm last year on freenode, if i remember what christel said correctly ;) |
| 21:35.30 | scorche | something like that, yes |
| 21:35.44 | thebolt | hehe |
| 21:35.56 | mlankhorst | we had to mute the channel so people could read what was said.. |
| 21:36.04 | Ivanovic | :) |
| 21:36.39 | mlankhorst | unmuted it for 5 seconds and 2 screens of text.. |
| 21:36.39 | kblin | the duplicate resolution meeting channel is the fastest scrolling channel I know, even compared to #flood |
| 21:36.46 | mlankhorst | yeah :P |
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| 21:49.06 | kloeri | stops panicking now that he's finally submitted his mentor org application |
| 21:49.49 | xzilla | heh |
| 21:50.12 | xzilla | have to admit, i went to double check mine after the email this morning |
| 21:50.23 | mlankhorst | same ;p |
| 21:51.02 | mlankhorst | and then got screwed by the load lag, looked for a few seconds i had no apply at all |
| 21:51.43 | ojwb | Ivanovic, carols: it was Robert Kaye from musicbrainz |
| 21:51.46 | ojwb | (the chocolate session) |
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| 21:52.19 | carols | ojwb: that's awesome. i know he got a whole bunch of chocolate at the musicbrainz summit last year too. i think he's the chocolate guy :-) |
| 21:53.12 | ojwb | carols: I think it's a common "thank you" in their community |
| 21:53.26 | carols | indeed |
| 21:53.36 | kblin | we bribe our release manager with chocolate as well at samba |
| 21:54.14 | Ivanovic | hmm, we should add this at wesnoth, too! |
| 21:54.15 | kblin | we tried james bond dvds before, but they don't produce the movies fast enough to keep up with the release cycle |
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| 21:54.26 | zooko | Is there anything I should do by today besides fill out the mentoring organization application form? |
| 21:54.29 | zooko | I've already done that. |
| 21:54.34 | Ivanovic | james bond dvds won't work for me, got them all already... |
| 21:54.35 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 21:54.38 | mlankhorst | haha |
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| 21:55.02 | kblin | Ivanovic: we hit the same problem, so we switched to chocolate |
| 21:55.12 | mlankhorst | kblin: there are still some classic dvds ;) |
| 21:55.16 | mlankhorst | james bond 1 |
| 21:55.39 | kblin | but chocolate is easier |
| 21:55.47 | kblin | and more tasty |
| 21:55.48 | mlankhorst | true |
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| 21:56.07 | kblin | anyway SIGGF, need to be off |
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| 21:56.21 | mlankhorst | how did you mask that? |
| 21:56.22 | mlankhorst | O_O |
| 21:57.00 | kblin | all my org applications are in, ideas lists can get some more polishing tomorrow, time for bed |
| 21:57.13 | kblin | mlankhorst: years of experience ;) |
| 21:57.18 | carols | g'nite kblin |
| 21:57.25 | mlankhorst | samba + that world generator? |
| 21:57.43 | kblin | yeah, someone else filed a wine application for me |
| 21:57.49 | kblin | ;) |
| 21:57.55 | mlankhorst | kk |
| 21:59.46 | ojwb | quick, hit submit |
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| 22:01.15 | zooko | Does anyone know from where comes the set of licenses that you get to choose from on the mentoring organization application? |
| 22:01.21 | ojwb | hmm, I think he sensed we were talking about chocolate |
| 22:01.33 | ojwb | zooko: OSI I'd guess |
| 22:02.06 | ojwb | though they've made a few dubious calls, so it may have been adjusted |
| 22:02.56 | mlankhorst | osi or public domain code ;) |
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| 22:05.46 | zooko | Does anyone know for sure where that list came from? |
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| 22:06.20 | daijy | If my project is under Apache, do I need to apply seperately? |
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| 22:06.54 | ojwb | daijy: it's a bit late if you do... |
| 22:07.10 | ojwb | daijy: I'd expect not, but you'd need to ask apache really |
| 22:07.11 | timClicks | daijy: you may have to have words with apache |
| 22:07.36 | daijy | I already submit a seperate one, later I find Apache already applied it |
| 22:07.55 | daijy | shall I withdraw my application? how remove it? |
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| 22:09.52 | ojwb | daijy: I'd check with apache first; if you're sure, then I think you'll need to tell someone at google to get it withdrawn |
| 22:10.55 | ojwb | or perhaps ask them on #melange |
| 22:11.05 | daijy | thanks ojwb, I will ask google to withdraw |
| 22:11.18 | _Samo | hi I wonder if whe can add our student tips somewhere in the application form |
| 22:11.22 | ojwb | carols: ^^^ |
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| 22:12.08 | _Samo | I mean the org application form |
| 22:12.12 | carols | thanks ojwb. daiijy: do you want to email me directly to request withdrawl? |
| 22:12.27 | _Samo | we have some tips for applying students |
| 22:13.17 | _Samo | I think that the field titled "Add a Comment (optional):" |
| 22:13.20 | medfly | this channel is pretty active |
| 22:13.41 | _Samo | after "What is the main IRC channel for your organization?" |
| 22:14.04 | ojwb | _Samo: you want to put them where students will see them |
| 22:14.12 | ojwb | and they can't see most of that form |
| 22:14.26 | ojwb | would add them to the application form you provide for students, or link to them from it |
| 22:14.38 | _Samo | I wonder whether that's a good place to put our tips for applying students |
| 22:14.44 | ojwb | (also you're 14 minutes too late to modify your org application now) |
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| 22:14.55 | medfly | ouch |
| 22:15.11 | ojwb | but I think you get a chance to edit the public information later, if you are accepted |
| 22:15.19 | Ivanovic | no, 44mins are left |
| 22:15.29 | ojwb | ETIMEZONE then |
| 22:16.09 | _Samo | well it does not matter it was just some cosmetic changes |
| 22:16.15 | _Samo | thanks guys |
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| 22:16.28 | ojwb | _Samo: I was wrong, as Ivanovic points out |
| 22:16.42 | ojwb | you still have the rest of this hour |
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| 22:32.19 | asmeurer | I am going to submit an application for my org, but I want to apply as a student. will this ve a problem? |
| 22:33.24 | _Samo | Darktide, can you go here and log in please http://bit.ly/9q41Ey |
| 22:33.38 | _Samo | sorry wrong channel |
| 22:37.12 | edsiper | asmeurer, apply you like a student for your organization ? |
| 22:38.42 | asmeurer | yeah. the person who would be the admin couldn't get the application in on ime, so he asked me to submit it |
| 22:39.09 | asmeurer | and I'm hoping this won't come back to bite me |
| 22:39.36 | scorche | asmeurer: you cannot be both the admin and student for an organisation, however admin abilities can be given up to other people once the org has been accepted |
| 22:40.14 | asmeurer | ok, so it should be fine then |
| 22:40.45 | asmeurer | I don't want to be admin, I just needed to submit the application for him :) |
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| 22:46.42 | edsiper | asmeurer, if you are using your own account you should care about it, i would suggest you to talk with somebody from gsoc organization |
| 22:46.56 | edsiper | (before 23:00 UTC) |
| 22:48.14 | scorche | asmeurer: is there really no one else that can submit the application? |
| 22:48.29 | asmeurer | unless I am lucky no one from my org seems likely to be around in next 15 min |
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| 22:49.31 | scorche | this is why there is more than one day that orgs can submit applications...and the timeline is published well ahead of time ;) |
| 22:50.32 | asmeurer | :) |
| 22:51.41 | asmeurer | the blame here goes to the person I am submitting for. he just barely asked ne 2 hours ago to do it for him. |
| 22:52.33 | scorche | was the application written up or anything before? |
| 22:53.51 | asmeurer | only partly |
| 22:54.34 | asmeurer | oh well |
| 22:54.55 | asmeurer | I guess we'll see what happens |
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| 22:55.36 | asmeurer | thanks for the help |
| 22:57.43 | nui | so due date is in 3 minutes correct? |
| 22:58.02 | smtms | 2 minutes |
| 22:58.18 | nui | ahh great stuff |
| 22:58.53 | edsiper | uhhh |
| 22:58.54 | edsiper | 2 minutes |
| 22:58.55 | edsiper | :D |
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| 23:00.36 | thiago | 2 minutes? |
| 23:00.37 | thiago | :-) |
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| 23:01.52 | nui | yap ^^ |
| 23:02.07 | nui | actually -2 minutes i think |
| 23:02.28 | brion | aaahhh wtf? |
| 23:02.35 | brion | it's PST not PDT isn't it |
| 23:02.53 | thiago | there's no one in PDT yet |
| 23:02.54 | nui | And its closed |
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| 23:02.58 | mlankhorst | well if you wait for the last hour you're fucked anyhow :) |
| 23:02.59 | nui | for PST |
| 23:03.04 | thiago | that's the day after tomorrow |
| 23:03.13 | borja | waves |
| 23:03.18 | borja | Man, I haven't been here in a while |
| 23:03.20 | brion | it's 3:03pm PST right now |
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| 23:03.21 | mlankhorst | $ date -u |
| 23:03.21 | mlankhorst | vr mrt 12 23:03:16 UTC 2010 |
| 23:03.39 | mlankhorst | go figure |
| 23:03.45 | brion | not good for the timeline to be labeled in a timezone that's not in use at the scheduled time |
| 23:04.12 | brion | Hrm, anybody I can appeal to/ask? |
| 23:04.29 | thiago | huh? |
| 23:04.34 | brion | I've been polishing up our pages before finalizing the submission |
| 23:04.35 | thiago | the time was labelled in UTC |
| 23:04.45 | brion | March 12: |
| 23:04.45 | brion | 4 PM PDT / 23:00 UTC |
| 23:04.49 | scorche | points to the topic |
| 23:04.50 | brion | the PDT marker is more prominent |
| 23:05.05 | thiago | the UTC is quite meaningful |
| 23:05.10 | thiago | doesn't know about US timezones |
| 23:05.11 | brion | it sure is |
| 23:05.12 | borja | brion: I pointed this out to LH earlier and she said she was keeping the app open an extra hour because of the PDT/PST confusion |
| 23:05.19 | borja | But I obviously don't speak for her |
| 23:05.22 | brion | well, the app page tells me it's closed |
| 23:05.50 | brion | see if i can get back in... |
| 23:05.56 | brion | " |
| 23:05.57 | brion | This page is inactive at this time. |
| 23:05.57 | brion | " |
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| 23:07.10 | brion | Is there anybody actually involved in running the program online atm? |
| 23:07.20 | brion | don't see lh... |
| 23:07.23 | mlankhorst | how hard is it to run 'date -u' :/ |
| 23:07.26 | mlankhorst | and maybe carols |
| 23:07.47 | brion | mlankhorst, had I ever noticed anything other than "4pm PDT" i'd have known |
| 23:08.03 | brion | but since it's prominently labeled as 4pm CALIFORNIA TIME and i'm IN CALIFORNIA i don't think it's entirely unreasonable for me to be looking at that |
| 23:08.27 | mlankhorst | weird.. |
| 23:08.39 | thiago | it's not labelled California time |
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| 23:08.52 | thiago | it's labelled PDT and you should know that you're not in daylight savings |
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| 23:08.58 | brion | it's labeled PDT, which if you live in california you'll simply read as 'local time' |
| 23:09.21 | brion | normal people don't label things as the not-current daylight saving time variant and expect that to be noticed |
| 23:09.38 | thiago | except when you prepare a timeline months in advance |
| 23:09.44 | thiago | which is what happened |
| 23:09.52 | thiago | anyway, the point is moot |
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| 23:09.54 | brion | look one line up on that timeline and you'll see something labeled as PST |
| 23:09.56 | thiago | we can't do anything about it |
| 23:10.08 | brion | so it's pretty clearly a simple mistake |
| 23:10.13 | thiago | if someone from Google is reading this and they can do something about it, they'll talk to you |
| 23:10.20 | brion | yep |
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| 23:10.45 | scorche | danderson: oh hai |
| 23:11.48 | edsiper | Leslie sent an email this morning : http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/browse_thread/thread/c7e691c03a923e88 |
| 23:12.01 | edsiper | is specified as UTC |
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| 23:20.25 | nicoley | Hi. Yikes, the timeline for mentor submissions says 4pm PDT |
| 23:20.36 | nicoley | We thought that was 4pm pacific time |
| 23:20.37 | thiago | and 23:00 UTC |
| 23:20.49 | nicoley | But the site won't let us submit our application |
| 23:20.57 | thiago | because it's 23:19 UTC now |
| 23:20.57 | brion | nicoley, there's a rumor that LH extended the deadline an hour for this, but the system isn't taking them |
| 23:21.09 | brion | haven't yet heard back from LH asking about it |
| 23:21.10 | nui | It was very clear to me it was 23:00 UTC which converts to 3:00 PST |
| 23:21.13 | nicoley | We're really upset |
| 23:21.18 | thiago | I think they chose 23:00 so that people wouldn't ask which midnight :-) |
| 23:21.23 | nicoley | We didn't look at the UTC time |
| 23:21.24 | timClicks | nicoley: I don't know if you'll receive too much sympathy |
| 23:21.36 | kaplanj42 | yes, but for those of us who live in the pacific time zone, it's an obvious mistake |
| 23:21.41 | nicoley | It's not 4pm PT yet! |
| 23:21.52 | Catfish_Man | nicoley: PDT and PST are different time zones |
| 23:21.55 | brion | nicoley, unfortunately a lot of people in this channel have some sort of hatred towards those of us who live in PT |
| 23:21.57 | Catfish_Man | that happen to be in the same place |
| 23:22.03 | Catfish_Man | time zones: worst thing ever |
| 23:22.15 | nicoley | time zones are terrible things! |
| 23:22.25 | Catfish_Man | I had to write some code dealing with them a while back |
| 23:22.30 | Catfish_Man | that memory is carefully supressed |
| 23:22.31 | nicoley | But it's not daylight savings time yet in CA |
| 23:22.31 | brion | and we're apparently not allowed to make normal human mistakes like reading a local timezone without remembering to double-check its DST status |
| 23:22.32 | Catfish_Man | *suppressed |
| 23:22.34 | timClicks | nui: similiarly, flights are never scheduled at 00:00 or 24:000 |
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| 23:22.57 | Catfish_Man | brion: personally I think everything for this sort of thing should be in UTC |
| 23:23.02 | nicoley | Is there someone who can help? |
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| 23:23.10 | timClicks | nicoley: do the gsoc docs say pacific time when you read them? |
| 23:23.13 | nicoley | We'd really like to submit our application! |
| 23:23.15 | brion | Catfish_Man, had it been labeled *only* in UTC i'd have been fine |
| 23:23.19 | Catfish_Man | brion: exactly |
| 23:23.22 | brion | timClicks, yes see the timeline page |
| 23:23.28 | nicoley | They say 4pm PDT |
| 23:23.30 | brion | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/timeline |
| 23:23.32 | timClicks | retracts statement |
| 23:23.37 | brion | all times tehre list both pacific time and UTC |
| 23:23.50 | brion | some lines list PDT when they should list PST |
| 23:24.00 | timClicks | i see |
| 23:24.00 | brion | (as it's not daylight saving time on those dates) |
| 23:24.02 | nicoley | But if you live in CA and look at your clock, it says 3:23 now, not 4:23 |
| 23:24.07 | brion | exactly |
| 23:24.19 | nicoley | This was really an honest mistake on our part |
| 23:24.25 | timClicks | which is interesting, because one assumes they intended 4pm |
| 23:24.25 | brion | which is why nicoley and i are here waiting to hear from someone involved in running the program :) |
| 23:24.32 | timClicks | understood |
| 23:24.39 | Catfish_Man | yeah, listing PDT when PDT is not in use is just silly |
| 23:24.41 | timClicks | which projects are you involved in btw |
| 23:24.49 | brion | statusnet & mediawiki |
| 23:24.54 | nicoley | One called Open Wonderland |
| 23:24.58 | kaplanj42 | open wonderland -- with nicole |
| 23:25.05 | brion | (i'm not handing the mediawiki app though, so i hope whoever did got that one in on time at least!) |
| 23:25.09 | nicoley | A toolkit for building 3D virtual worlds |
| 23:25.51 | brion | Is there anybody other than Leslie we could contact? |
| 23:26.04 | timClicks | brion: depending on how daring you are |
| 23:26.10 | Catfish_Man | brion: carols may know |
| 23:26.19 | timClicks | brion: you could try the open source programmes office standard phone number |
| 23:26.24 | timClicks | if it exists |
| 23:26.52 | timClicks | my advice, protest early |
| 23:27.01 | timClicks | but appropriately |
| 23:27.13 | brion | i've already emailed leslie... |
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| 23:27.22 | brion | i'll stick a quick note on the list just to make sure it's on the public record |
| 23:27.33 | nicoley | Could you give us her email address so we can send a note as well |
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| 23:27.53 | brion | i just replied via http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/a1a122d169998668 |
| 23:28.02 | nicoley | We've worked very hard on this application |
| 23:28.03 | timClicks | nods |
| 23:28.14 | timClicks | the google group is probably a good forum |
| 23:28.31 | nicoley | And it would be shame to have it all go to waste because of an honest mistake |
| 23:29.03 | Catfish_Man | nicoley: the usual suggestion for the future is "don't wait until the last minute" |
| 23:29.13 | nicoley | Thanks :-) |
| 23:29.19 | nicoley | Definitely good advice |
| 23:29.20 | Catfish_Man | every single year there's been a dozen or so students who miss the deadline because of things like this |
| 23:29.35 | scorche | this is why the application remains editable until the deadline |
| 23:29.44 | scorche | once you submit, it isnt finalised |
| 23:29.57 | Catfish_Man | although usually the time zone math isn't *this* misleading |
| 23:30.02 | Catfish_Man | listing PDT really seems like a screwup |
| 23:30.12 | scorche | indeed it does |
| 23:31.04 | Jeff_S | I'm pretty sure I saw lh mention here that they would accept them for the extra hour |
| 23:33.03 | DrJoelG1 | Am I remembering right that last year posted times were mostly PDT? LH's announcement this time was UTC (and clear) but docs could have left over PDTs |
| 23:33.50 | nicoley | I'm not seeing brion's message in the google group |
| 23:33.55 | nicoley | I guess the posts are moderated? |
| 23:34.23 | thiago | which group? |
| 23:34.27 | brion | http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/a1a122d169998668# <- looks up now |
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| 23:35.24 | scorche | not like it matters much, but i cannot find a message in my logs that lh said the application deadline would be increased an hour |
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| 23:36.45 | niphlhell | I have an idea on an occasion Taylor MDA, but I do not know whom to write, can anybody help me? |
| 23:38.23 | bonti | next year please make the list of orgs who have submitted an application public on a web page. Just saying, working with large orgs who long ago agreed to apply but wait until the last minute to herd the appropriate cats is frustrating |
| 23:38.57 | Catfish_Man | bonti: I don't think anyone in charge is active currently |
| 23:39.17 | bonti | I know the feeling |
| 23:39.29 | Jeff_S | scorche: I have it in my logs... sec |
| 23:39.40 | Jeff_S | 10:42 < sfb> lh: schumaml says the FAQ says 1900 UTC and the timeline says 1200 PDT |
| 23:39.43 | Jeff_S | 10:43 < sfb> lh: Which is a difference of an hour. |
| 23:39.46 | Jeff_S | 10:43 <@lh> sfb: yeah, that's me and time zone conversion misery. it opens at 19:00 utc. if i had time to update the site now i would but i dont. |
| 23:39.49 | Jeff_S | 10:43 <@lh> an extra hour never killed anybody. |
| 23:39.59 | thiago | bonti: I don't think they want to publish the list of rejected orgs |
| 23:40.00 | Jeff_S | ok, refering to different hours :) my mistake |
| 23:40.08 | thiago | Jeff_S: that's opening, not closing :-) |
| 23:40.13 | Jeff_S | thiago: indeed |
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| 23:40.21 | Jeff_S | I didn't realize both of those got messed up |
| 23:40.32 | thiago | yeah |
| 23:40.50 | Jeff_S | btw, I love egrep |
| 23:41.12 | robla | wonders if the 4pm "PDT" is the topic right now |
| 23:41.34 | Catfish_Man | robla: indeed. PDT appears to have been a silly timezone to list |
| 23:41.47 | reece1 | I'm just gonna wait two days until it's PDT |
| 23:41.52 | downeym | so it opened an hour early and closed an hour earlier (if you didn't go by UTC) |
| 23:41.57 | Jeff_S | Catfish_Man: well, mt. view is in PDT after all. but yes I guess pick one or the other is the lesson learned |
| 23:42.05 | brion | mountain view is NOT in pdt |
| 23:42.07 | Catfish_Man | Jeff_S: no, MV is on PST |
| 23:42.11 | brion | unless they're a different timezone than the rest of the state? |
| 23:42.19 | scorche | we really should just list UTC in the future and let people convert time themselves... |
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| 23:42.34 | nicoley | Yes, that would have been much better! |
| 23:42.37 | brion | yep |
| 23:42.39 | Jeff_S | Catfish_Man: sure |
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| 23:47.03 | SeH_ | This page is inactive at this time. |
| 23:47.14 | SeH_ | is it too late to apply? why isnt the apply page working |
| 23:47.20 | thiago | yes |
| 23:47.23 | scorche | because it is past 23:00 UTS |
| 23:47.25 | thiago | it's 23:45 UTC |
| 23:47.27 | scorche | UTC even |
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| 23:47.33 | thiago | deadline was 45 minutes ago |
| 23:47.40 | SeH_ | their PDT time was wrong? |
| 23:47.46 | kaplanj42 | no, it's currently PST |
| 23:47.48 | Catfish_Man | PDT is right... but useless |
| 23:47.52 | kaplanj42 | PDT doesn't start until Sunday |
| 23:48.00 | Catfish_Man | we're sorta hoping it gets corrected and extended |
| 23:48.01 | kaplanj42 | a bunch of us got caught up |
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| 23:48.12 | Catfish_Man | because while it isn't wrong now, it is pretty silly |
| 23:48.22 | brion | SeH_, pop a note on the thread asking if we can get that fixed up for following the bad local time: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/a1a122d169998668# |
| 23:50.10 | SeH_ | ok thanks |
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| 23:50.31 | brion | haven't heard back from anybody actually involved in running the program so far yet :( |
| 23:51.15 | Jeff_S | well: either you are already too late, OR you have 9 minutes... |
| 23:51.18 | MatthewWilkes | one day there'll be a GSoC without timezone hell |
| 23:51.38 | synic | MatthewWilkes: lies |
| 23:51.41 | brion | :) |
| 23:53.46 | bonti | maybe it was an intentional hurdle to weed out orgs waiting until the last minute and/or not paying attention to details like pdt/pst |
| 23:53.58 | brion | hehe |
| 23:54.24 | scorche | or that you could edit the app until the deadline.. |
| 23:54.37 | downeym | PDT = MST ? |
| 23:54.51 | brion | downeym, yep |
| 23:55.01 | downeym | meh. |
| 23:55.17 | brion | terribly convenient for californians vacationing in arizona in the summer, not very convenient at any other time ;) |
| 23:55.36 | MatthewWilkes | I do find it difficult to feel sympathetic, to be honest. Procrastination is all well and good, but the period lasts days |
| 23:55.38 | downeym | blames benjamin franklin |
| 23:55.52 | MatthewWilkes | not to mention that all but 1 question was the same as last year so well known |
| 23:57.42 | brion | MatthewWilkes, if order of submission isn't relevant, the best strategy is to take as long as possible to polish up your app |
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| 23:58.01 | brion | so having 57 minutes left for the final submit is perfectly legitimate |
| 23:58.07 | MatthewWilkes | brion: Order of submission? |
| 23:58.15 | brion | being 1st or 100th |
| 23:58.22 | MatthewWilkes | final submit, yes. First submit, no. |
| 23:58.39 | scorche | brion: but you could submit days before today and still be able to edit it until an hour ago |
| 23:58.46 | downeym | prefers the "release early, release often" approach :) |
| 23:58.59 | timClicks | scorche: I think that was a trick for new players |
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| 23:59.08 | brion | scorche, coulda, shoulda, but it wouldn't have made any difference if i'd known to submit before 3pm instead of 4pm like the timeline said |
| 23:59.09 | robla | well, in my case, I was helping out another org, where someone from the org needed to actually submit |
| 23:59.21 | timClicks | scorche: I didn't know that was possible to resubmit until I submitted mine within 10m of the deadline |
| 23:59.24 | sreich | downeym: not the "procrastinate early, release late" approach? :D |
| 23:59.44 | kaplanj42 | I didn't see the bit about resubmitting anywhere on the form either |
| 23:59.49 | scorche | timClicks: well, it said it on the same page where you got the questions |
| 23:59.50 | downeym | sreich: theory != practice ;) |
| 23:59.58 | sreich | ah okay, was getting worried ;-) |
