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| 02:13.02 | FlavioFerreiraBr | someone will try the gsoc with Qt language ? |
| 02:17.07 | sreich | Qt isn't a language, it's a toolkit |
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| 02:47.12 | AlTheKiller | What, if anything, is shared between google and the mentor org at the application phase? |
| 02:47.17 | AlTheKiller | It's not clear from the FAQ. |
| 02:47.53 | AlTheKiller | This is WRT the student applicant. |
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| 02:51.33 | Catfish_Man | AlTheKiller: both google and the mentoring organization can see the proposal, and read the comments from the potential mentors |
| 02:51.45 | Catfish_Man | google also provides a count of available slots for that organization |
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| 02:52.55 | AlTheKiller | Ok so if we have some info we'd like supplied that should go into the "application template" ? |
| 02:53.25 | Catfish_Man | yes |
| 02:54.08 | AlTheKiller | Great, thanks a bunch. |
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| 03:40.43 | cab938_lappy | I can come back and edit the org app up until the closing deadline, yea? |
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| 03:42.03 | skbohra | i believe so |
| 03:42.23 | cab938_lappy | and is there a way to share the app with many people? |
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| 03:49.58 | ojwb | cab938_lappy: copy and paste it to your wiki or similar |
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| 04:22.25 | gc_ | can someone guide me for gsoc] |
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| 04:27.48 | anth_x | i would suggest starting with the FAQ: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
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| 05:44.19 | Nimo | I have a question about eligibility |
| 05:44.48 | Nimo | I'm a permenant residence of Canada and I'm studying Comp. Sci. at University of Toronto |
| 05:45.12 | Nimo | except I'm also a citizen of Iran |
| 05:46.12 | anth_x | i am not from google, but: |
| 05:46.21 | anth_x | someone just asked basically the same question on the mailing list. |
| 05:46.44 | Nimo | maybe I should add myself to the mailing list then |
| 05:47.07 | anth_x | unfortunately, a student visa didn't exempt him fom the prohibition on iranian involvement. |
| 05:47.24 | Nimo | I don't have a student visa |
| 05:47.35 | Nimo | I'm a perm. resident |
| 05:48.03 | Nimo | I guess I'll be aligable when I'm a Canadian Citizen in a few months |
| 05:48.27 | LawnGnome | Nimo: If you're a permanent resident in Canada (not just on a work or education visa, but an actual resident) then you _should_ be OK. You may want to contact Leslie on or off list to confirm, though. |
| 05:48.39 | anth_x | i'm also not sure whether the CA citizenship produces the same exemptions as US citizenship. |
| 05:49.07 | Nimo | LawnGnome, thanks, I will. |
| 05:49.14 | Nimo | anth_x, hopefully it will. |
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| 05:59.29 | ReDucTor | Nimo, where you the same oen that asked earlier |
| 05:59.40 | Nimo | no |
| 05:59.50 | Nimo | also, it seems like Leslie's already answered my question |
| 06:00.00 | Nimo | "An embargoed-country citizen who is a permanent resident of a non-embargoed |
| 06:00.00 | Nimo | country or gains citizenship in a non-embargoed country can participate in |
| 06:00.01 | Nimo | SoC without any export issues" |
| 06:00.05 | ReDucTor | yep |
| 06:00.08 | Nimo | :) |
| 06:00.13 | ReDucTor | saw that on the list |
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| 06:04.30 | [mharrison] | Oh cool. Google bought Picnik |
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| 06:13.45 | robbyoconnor | !timeline |
| 06:13.45 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 07:04.04 | kblin | omg.. someone without any clue about science tried to sue against using the LHC at the german supreme court |
| 07:04.53 | micahc | because it's gonna destroy the universe? |
| 07:05.05 | micahc | Probably in 2012? (got a link?) |
| 07:05.06 | kblin | the world, which is against the constitution :) |
| 07:05.36 | kblin | I like how the supreme court decided against taking the case, saying something that between the lines reads at "we don't have any clue about what they're doing at CERN, but it's obvious to us that you have even less clue about this" |
| 07:05.49 | kblin | s/reads at/reads as/ |
| 07:05.57 | micahc | Heheh |
| 07:06.05 | aghisla | HAHA |
| 07:07.21 | kblin | the lady who filed the suit demanded that the gouvernment should force CERN to lower the amount of energy used until it has been "empirically proven that the world won't be destroyed" |
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| 07:07.55 | micahc | "empirically", eh? |
| 07:07.59 | aghisla | why is she worried about that |
| 07:08.00 | kblin | yeah |
| 07:08.08 | micahc | Guess they'll just have to try to destroy the world a few times until they prove it won't. |
| 07:08.17 | aghisla | we will all die some day for some reason :) |
| 07:08.46 | kblin | micahc: sure, but how can you run an experiment if you're not allow to run it? |
| 07:08.51 | kblin | allowed |
| 07:08.54 | kblin | dammit |
| 07:09.04 | micahc | Exactly. :) |
| 07:09.05 | kblin | restarts his spell checker |
| 07:10.02 | kblin | I guess she just read "empirically" in a sciency magazine and liked the sound of it |
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| 07:10.29 | creek231 | kblin: LOL |
| 07:10.32 | micahcowan | kblin, my thoughts exactly |
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| 07:11.08 | micahcowan | Unless I guess she figured, if they use less energy, then it'll just fall short of actually destroying the world while they run their empirical tests |
| 07:11.15 | micahcowan | Maybe it'll only blow up Germany. |
| 07:12.04 | aghisla | noo |
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| 07:12.06 | aghisla | beer |
| 07:12.14 | kblin | micahcowan: I guess that would be against the constitution as well |
| 07:12.20 | kblin | goes to read up on that ;) |
| 07:12.21 | micahcowan | You'd think. |
| 07:12.49 | kblin | otoh, LHC only runs through switzerland and france... |
| 07:13.08 | creek231 | she's just trying to make a name. that's all. |
| 07:13.09 | creek231 | :P |
| 07:13.22 | micahcowan | Yeah, well, as far as I know, LHC could blow something up in the next galaxy ;) |
| 07:13.47 | aghisla | http://xkcd.com/419/ |
| 07:13.50 | micahcowan | Makes you wonder how the German constitution could possibly apply to activities in Switzerland and France... |
| 07:14.11 | micahcowan | aghisla, did you see the latest one about sauron and beyonce? |
| 07:15.05 | aghisla | no! let me see |
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| 07:15.38 | micahcowan | It's kinda corny, but it made me laugh, so that's something. |
| 07:15.57 | aghisla | hehehhe |
| 07:16.11 | kblin | micahcowan: I think the reasoning was that the german gouvernment also provides funding to CERN |
| 07:16.21 | micahcowan | Oh, gotcha. |
| 07:20.14 | ojwb | they should reduce the energy usage of the WWW too |
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| 07:24.20 | mlankhorst | O_o your lights dim every time you connect to the internet? :p |
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| 09:20.43 | ksinkar | hello |
| 09:20.48 | ksinkar | can u see me? |
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| 09:22.05 | aghisla | ksinkar, somehow |
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| 09:22.34 | aghisla | nice tshirt :D |
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| 09:24.40 | mlankhorst | moin |
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| 09:29.02 | Abhinav1 | !next |
| 09:29.02 | socinfo | "next" is March 12 23:00 UTC: Mentor Organization application deadline, see http://bit.ly/adul79 |
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| 09:36.54 | ksinkar | allright guys |
| 09:37.06 | ksinkar | since now u can see me somehow |
| 09:37.15 | ksinkar | i can see u somehow as well |
| 09:37.34 | ksinkar | which projects do u think will be selected this time |
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| 09:38.01 | ksinkar | btw is there any experienced guy in here who has done gsoc before? |
| 09:40.04 | Sylvestre | ksinkar, look at the 2009 list, it will give you a good overview |
| 09:43.12 | ksinkar | all right |
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| 09:48.59 | creek231 | are people pursuing graduate studies considered students? |
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| 09:55.14 | lut4rp | creek231, yes |
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| 09:59.05 | creek231 | i see. |
| 09:59.30 | creek231 | finds online school to enroll to :D |
| 09:59.37 | lut4rp | lol |
| 10:00.22 | ojwb | you need to find an accredited one |
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| 10:07.24 | creek231 | err? |
| 10:07.31 | creek231 | oh. :| |
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| 13:08.57 | ojwb | _Samo: yes |
| 13:09.04 | _Samo | thanks |
| 13:09.16 | ojwb | for a larger org, you probably don't want to though |
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| 13:54.20 | r0bby|android | Morninh! |
| 13:55.15 | sudarshan | when will the accepted list of orgs be released? |
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| 13:55.40 | aghisla | in a couple of years I hope.. |
| 13:55.56 | aghisla | kidding |
| 13:55.59 | aghisla | !timeline |
| 13:55.59 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 13:56.06 | sudarshan | ya i kinda got that lol |
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| 16:03.01 | andrecastelo | Hello everyone. |
| 16:03.12 | anth_x | howdy |
| 16:03.26 | jimg | Hello |
| 16:03.47 | andrecastelo | Anyone know where I can get GSoC presentation slides? I'm going to present the program to fellow students at my university. |
| 16:03.51 | jimg | Question: How do I upload a W9 (as part of the mentor application process)? |
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| 16:04.16 | jimg | Or is that something I'll be asked for only if accepted |
| 16:07.29 | downeym | jimg: Mentors do not apply. Organizations apply, and students apply. Which do you mean? |
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| 16:08.05 | jimg | Oh, I'm the admin, so I meant as an organization, how do we submit that W9? |
| 16:08.18 | jimg | (I'm also likely going to be a mentor) |
| 16:08.43 | anth_x | at least for 2009, that wasn't part of the application process; it happened at the end, after the program was over. |
| 16:08.54 | anth_x | i'm not 100% sure, but i haven't seen anything suggesting this year is different. |
| 16:09.16 | downeym | W9 isn't needed for the org application as it stands right now |
| 16:09.35 | downeym | if Google ask for it, it will happen later :) |
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| 16:10.08 | jimg | OK, that's what I thought, but I wanted to check |
| 16:10.37 | jimg | Thanks, downeym |
| 16:10.50 | downeym | jimg: no problem :) |
| 16:11.15 | kblin | jimg: you'll be asked to sign up in their "supplier" system later to receive the org payment |
| 16:11.37 | kblin | jimg: that's when they also ask for the tax stuff, like the W9 |
| 16:11.43 | kblin | if applicable |
| 16:12.00 | jimg | Ah. OK. Thanks kblin |
| 16:12.23 | kblin | np |
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| 16:17.55 | ihalip | andrecastelo: http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/downloads/list |
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| 17:21.53 | theOtherRob | Hey GSoC + Googlers, RepRap dev here ( http://reprap.org ), just wanted to introduce myself and the RepRap project - you'll be seeing an application from the RepRap core team soon (and me as a student a bit after that) anyways, that's all for now, happy hackings :) |
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| 17:23.40 | loufoque_ | theOtherRob: is that the open-source 3D printer? |
| 17:23.57 | theOtherRob | loufoque: thats the one! |
| 17:24.05 | loufoque_ | that can replicate itself and thus take over the world? |
| 17:24.28 | theOtherRob | hehe, yes world domination should be somewhere in our mission strategy |
| 17:25.16 | loufoque_ | good luck with that project |
| 17:25.24 | theOtherRob | haha, thanks |
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| 17:27.05 | theOtherRob | btw is there any preliminary lists of participating organizations out there? As a student I'm going to apply to more then just RepRap (hedge my bets) so I'm currious what the options are |
| 17:27.19 | loufoque_ | you can look at the list from last year |
| 17:27.36 | theOtherRob | k |
| 17:29.09 | theOtherRob | i hope OpenSCAD is applying (open source 3d cad) they have taken on a very entrenched industry with that one |
| 17:29.16 | blast007 | !orgs |
| 17:29.16 | socinfo | "orgs" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009, or (#2) The list of participating organisations will be published on March 18. In the meantime, here is a list of orgs that expressed interest in participating in GSoC 2010: http://is.gd/9MVas |
| 17:29.49 | theOtherRob | handy, thanks blast007 |
| 17:29.56 | blast007 | no prob :) |
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| 17:31.00 | cronco | hey, is there any chance of a freshman Software Engineering student with nothing to show (code wise) 'till now (except enthusiasm) to be recruited? |
| 17:31.11 | summatusmentis | cronco: it's possible |
| 17:31.26 | summatusmentis | I got in the summer after my freshman year, as a CS student |
| 17:32.11 | cronco | cool, thanks :D |
| 17:32.11 | anth_x | sure. if you're very new, you could improve your chances by playing around with the code for the project you're interested in now. |
| 17:33.04 | cronco | well, I've never worked with "professional" code before |
| 17:33.26 | cronco | but I'm quick to learn |
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| 17:34.11 | rohananil | cronco: i believe you could start now - download the code and start browsing :) |
| 17:34.14 | mt | cronco: Then you really should start diving into the code now. :) |
| 17:34.17 | Lunixed | cronco, there is still time, work with the codes of the org that you are interested in |
| 17:35.33 | _Samo | for those students interested in raytracing and 3D graphics, the YafaRay project will apply this year to become a mentoring org. Our ideas page is: http://www.yafaray.org/development/documentation/GSOCideas |
| 17:35.58 | cronco | thanks guys, will start asap |
| 17:36.14 | mt | And it would be good if you could write a simple patch or a bug-fix too. This would be a proof you really did spend at least a little time with the code. |
| 17:39.12 | jbourne | l |
| 17:41.02 | sfb | Are we at that announcing our potential projects stage already? |
| 17:42.52 | VDVsx | does anyone knows the current orgs stats ? already 200 submissions ? :D |
| 17:43.14 | VDVsx | s/anyone/someone |
| 17:43.31 | creek231 | and only 150 will get in? :( |
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| 17:46.14 | sfb | creek231: ~150. 150 were in last yaer and the anticipating it being approximately the same. |
| 17:46.16 | unknown_had | what about nmap ? |
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| 17:49.00 | FlavioFerreiraBr | to talk about gsoc , #maemo-gsoc #qt-gsoc |
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| 17:50.10 | sfb | cronco: Do you have any idea what kind of project you'd like to work with? |
| 17:51.35 | cronco | at this point i'm looking through last year's entries |
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| 17:52.27 | cronco | I'd like something that I use on a daily basis, to know that I've done my part at a tool that so far has been free for me |
| 17:52.32 | MatthewWilkes | hi carols! |
| 17:53.53 | carols | hi matthewwilkes! |
| 17:54.00 | carols | its still early, im getting coffe :-) |
| 17:54.15 | carols | had personal training this morning |
| 17:55.02 | MatthewWilkes | I've lost count of the number of teas I've had already |
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| 17:55.41 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: >2 ? |
| 17:55.42 | kblin | ;) |
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| 17:55.58 | carols | mmm tea |
| 17:56.01 | carols | that should be next |
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| 17:57.30 | cronco | hmm, maybe audacity? |
| 17:57.49 | cronco | or some other desktop app, or project |
| 17:57.55 | cronco | maybe GNOME |
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| 17:59.55 | sfb | GNOME is a pretty wide oepn ballpark. |
| 18:00.02 | sfb | Lots of opportunity there. |
| 18:00.17 | thebolt | Evening people |
| 18:00.45 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: Many more than two :) |
| 18:02.00 | MatthewWilkes | ooooh, yay. The trip to the Sünner Brauerei next week has been booked! |
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| 18:05.43 | carols | matthewwilkes: i dont know what that is, but it sounds amazing :-) |
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| 18:09.59 | MatthewWilkes | carols: It's a brewery in cologne. We're having a 5 day sprint there starting monday |
| 18:10.14 | carols | matthewwilkes: color me jealous! |
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| 18:10.52 | carols | sounds amazing |
| 18:11.00 | MatthewWilkes | carols: There's a simultaneous one in a cabin at lake tahoe for the americans :P |
| 18:11.42 | carols | matthewwilkes: you know, tahoe is nice, but its got nothing on cologne :-) |
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| 18:13.51 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Yup. I love open source ;) |
| 18:15.39 | carols | matthewwilkes: you can say that again! great stuff. |
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| 18:31.35 | mcr | Hi, I continue to have problems with entering the linkID for my backup admin. The top of his screen days: |
| 18:31.37 | mcr | crm@credil.org (crm@credil.org) | Report bugs | Sign out |
| 18:31.58 | mcr | and he has selected a LinkId of "crm". I've tried all sorts of combinations, and I'm told it's invalid. |
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| 18:33.21 | mcr | What do I put there? First Last (linkid) ? |
| 18:33.24 | mcr | just "linkid"? |
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| 18:33.38 | anth_x | it's supposed to be just linkid. that's what worked for me. |
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| 18:34.26 | mcr | aha, it worked now. maybe there is a database sync delay. |
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| 18:46.16 | Waren | yo |
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| 18:54.00 | sanjoyd | is wondering if anyone has decided on his or her project. |
| 18:55.32 | micahcowan | !timeline |
| 18:55.32 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 18:55.36 | micahcowan | sanjoyd ^ |
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| 18:57.13 | Lunixed | How many orgs apply for the mentoring orgs every year ? |
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| 18:57.38 | sanjoyd | micahcowan: I am aware of the timeline, I was wondering how many people have actually started talking to prospective organizations. |
| 18:59.49 | micahcowan | sanjoyd, that's not what you asked, though. |
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| 19:00.45 | micahcowan | No one could have decided on their project yet, given that we don't even know which orgs will be participating yet. |
| 19:00.47 | sanjoyd | micahcowan: :) My bad. |
| 19:01.20 | lut4rp | Quite a bit have, in fact. |
| 19:01.48 | lut4rp | People already involved with their projects know if there org apply/be selected or not (popular ones usually get through) |
| 19:02.04 | lut4rp | it doesn't hurt to talk to your org and show them your interest. |
| 19:02.05 | sanjoyd | The whole point about GSoC, as I see it, is to get people involved in open source. |
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| 19:02.19 | micahcowan | No one knows if their org is selected or not. And yes, talking to the org before they've been selected is a good idea. |
| 19:02.31 | sanjoyd | I personally have started talking to some guys on IRC, and will contribute irrespective of whether I get GSoC. |
| 19:02.33 | micahcowan | But IMO it's a stretch to say anyone has "chosen their project" |
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| 19:03.11 | sanjoyd | But in case I do, I will not have to look for a summer job and my contribution will be much more focused. |
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| 19:04.16 | sanjoyd | But I do agree that it is a stretch to ask who all have _decided_ their projects. |
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| 19:06.40 | lut4rp | has meticulously planned for every GSoC till 2042. Srsly. |
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| 19:07.22 | sanjoyd | wonders what the stipend would be for GSoC 2042. |
| 19:07.48 | Catfish_Man | $2.95. The economic crash of 2037 caused extreme deflation |
| 19:08.03 | Catfish_Man | also a cubic foot of soil |
| 19:08.05 | fat0ss1 | or 20,000 $ |
| 19:08.23 | sanjoyd | Catfish_Man: Probably enough to buy oxygen for 3 months. |
| 19:08.35 | lut4rp | O_o |
| 19:08.38 | Catfish_Man | sanjoyd: indeed. Three bucks goes a long way |
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| 19:09.02 | thiago | y2.038k bug? |
| 19:09.02 | micahcowan | lut4rp, why bother planning GSoCs beyond 2012? ;) |
| 19:09.11 | lut4rp | micahcowan, rofl |
| 19:09.40 | MatthewWilkes | seriously doubts that lut4rp has either planned for these SoCs or is currently rolling on the floor laughing |
| 19:10.04 | lut4rp | Hmph. |
| 19:10.10 | sanjoyd | wonders whether Micro$oft would be one of the participating organizations in GSoC 2042. |
| 19:10.15 | lut4rp | O_O |
| 19:10.28 | lut4rp | now that would be interesting. |
| 19:10.38 | lut4rp | I wonder what one would work on, though. |
| 19:10.41 | Catfish_Man | sanjoyd: yes, after Red Hat acquired them in 2030 they did an about face |
| 19:10.53 | cab938_lappy | the problem is with global warming, summer will now be either much longer or much shorter |
| 19:10.57 | lut4rp | would personally hack on Minesweeper. Totally. |
| 19:10.59 | MatthewWilkes | is applying to SCO |
| 19:11.01 | micahcowan | (alternatively) sanjoyd, sure, after copyright law was abolished in 2039, every sw company is open source :) |
| 19:11.07 | sanjoyd | :D |
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| 19:11.24 | timClicks | micahcowan: actually, that would likely end open source |
| 19:11.35 | timClicks | micahcowan: without copyright, the GPL would be meaningless |
| 19:11.37 | lut4rp | The global warming is a lie. |
| 19:11.47 | micahcowan | MatthewWilkes, well, if lut4rp's a mentor, could have 33 summers' worth of projects in mind |
| 19:11.48 | cab938_lappy | timClicks, but bsd would keep on rockin |
| 19:11.50 | MatthewWilkes | hehe, wikipedia makes me laugh: The SCO Group, Inc. (TSG, informally SCO; Pink Sheets: SCOXQ) is a software and litigation company formerly called Caldera Systems and Caldera International. |
| 19:11.53 | timClicks | micahcowan: reducing any incentive to releasing GPL code |
| 19:11.56 | schumaml | I expect a Singularity takeover by then |
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| 19:12.22 | lut4rp | micahcowan, I'm mentoring only after I complete my double PhD. |
| 19:12.23 | micahcowan | timClicks, the GPL only exists because of copyright law. And you seem to be implying that only GPL-licensed code is open-source (or even Free) |
| 19:12.40 | micahcowan | lut4rp, ah, so you plan on being a student for 32 more years? :D |
| 19:12.54 | timClicks | micahcowan: if you mean free as in software freedom, yes I believe GPL is the most effective software licence |
| 19:12.58 | lut4rp | at the current rate my grades are going... *cough* |
| 19:13.24 | micahcowan | timClicks, that's a tangent. |
| 19:13.27 | sanjoyd | timClicks: The point is that once copyright fails to exist, *your* GPL code might |
| 19:13.41 | sanjoyd | be used in closed source software. |
| 19:13.59 | Lunixed | !orgs |
| 19:13.59 | socinfo | "orgs" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009, or (#2) The list of participating organisations will be published on March 18. In the meantime, here is a list of orgs that expressed interest in participating in GSoC 2010: http://is.gd/9MVas |
| 19:14.02 | timClicks | sanjoyd: exactly, reducing incentives for people who currently investing in GPLed code |
| 19:14.03 | Lunixed | tq :) |
| 19:14.09 | micahcowan | No, there'd be no such thing as closed source software. |
| 19:14.24 | Catfish_Man | micahcowan: actually iirc trade secret laws are separate from copyright |
| 19:14.31 | micahcowan | Oh, well crap then. |
| 19:14.31 | timClicks | micahcowan: everything would probably be closed source, you would still have confidentiality agreements within orgs |
| 19:14.31 | sanjoyd | micahcowan: How? |
| 19:14.36 | lut4rp | Technically, there is no such thing as closed source software. Disassembly ftw. |
| 19:14.38 | lut4rp | :) |
| 19:14.53 | micahcowan | Yeah, well, disassembled code != human-readable, per my definitions ;) |
| 19:15.02 | timClicks | micahcowan: orgs would tighten everything up |
| 19:15.09 | sanjoyd | lut4rp: Or you could go the ipod 6G way. |
| 19:15.16 | timClicks | cab938_lappy: BSD-like licences are much different philosophy than software freedom |
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| 19:15.21 | lut4rp | There *is* an iPod 6G ? |
| 19:15.37 | timClicks | cab938_lappy: I agree, those projects would probably carry on |
| 19:15.44 | Catfish_Man | lut4rp: 6th generation |
| 19:15.51 | cab938_lappy | timClicks, perhaps even flourish... |
| 19:15.52 | micahcowan | timClicks, depends on what you mean. According to GNU, they are free software licenses |
| 19:15.56 | timClicks | cab938_lappy: as long as contributors were happy that they were not getting any recognition |
| 19:16.00 | lut4rp | micahcowan, Its 0045 hrs and I'm talking about 2042. Surely not human. |
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| 19:16.11 | micahcowan | But I agree that they tend to be employed in much more of an "open source" philosophy than a "free software" one. |
| 19:16.11 | lut4rp | micahcowan, not to mention, I have a crypto exam tomorrow. |
| 19:16.14 | lut4rp | :S |
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| 19:16.26 | micahcowan | lut4rp, heh :) |
| 19:16.38 | cab938_lappy | timClicks, if you have no copyright and only trade secrets, my guess is policing source will be very tough |
| 19:16.54 | lut4rp | Catfish_Man, oh, *that* 6G :P |
| 19:17.05 | jbourne | Any prev org that worked on crypto?? |
| 19:17.20 | timClicks | cab938_lappy: *nod* because the source is no longer meaningful |
| 19:17.26 | Catfish_Man | micahcowan: yeah, the goal tends to be "improve the world by spreading useful software" rather than "improve the world by spreading free software" |
| 19:17.37 | lut4rp | OK, time for DES and sleep. Night folks! |
| 19:17.39 | Catfish_Man | which appeals to me, but others disagree :) |
| 19:17.51 | sanjoyd | lut4rp: Yes, they have some microcode *inside* the ARM processor which decrypts the firmware on the fly. |
| 19:18.08 | lut4rp | sanjoyd, they WOT @_@ |
| 19:18.10 | sanjoyd | lut4rp: Hence you can't install podzilla. |
| 19:18.17 | timClicks | Catfish_Man: I think there is a different focus on where the emphasis on freedom should be |
| 19:18.37 | timClicks | Catfish_Man: BSD/MIT/etc/etc make things very free for people building software |
| 19:19.09 | Catfish_Man | timClicks: like I said, the goal tends to be to spread the software, rather than spread the freedom |
| 19:19.15 | Catfish_Man | the original TCP/IP stack would be a great example |
| 19:19.21 | Catfish_Man | it popped up frickin' everywhere |
| 19:19.24 | timClicks | Catfish_Man: GPL/copyleft makes things far less free for people building software, but ensures that users will always have the freedom to inspect, modify & enhance |
| 19:19.37 | micahcowan | timClicks, seems like a good summary |
| 19:20.30 | timClicks | but yeah, I don't agree that destroying copyright implies more open source |
| 19:20.41 | Catfish_Man | micahcowan: accurate summary, but missing the point I'm trying to make |
| 19:21.05 | Catfish_Man | the goal of BSD-style licenses *to me* isn't to get more freedom for implementors, that's a convenient side effect |
| 19:21.05 | timClicks | Catfish_Man: oh, I agree with your points too |
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| 19:22.23 | Catfish_Man | g'morning carols :) |
| 19:22.41 | tshirtman | Hi, I'm trying to fill organisation application, but as I don't have a backup admin, what should I do? |
| 19:23.00 | tshirtman | (it's a small project) |
| 19:23.09 | MatthewWilkes | tshirtman: Find one |
| 19:23.16 | tshirtman | _thanks_ |
| 19:23.18 | MatthewWilkes | tshirtman: Ask one of your mentors |
| 19:23.43 | MatthewWilkes | tshirtman: What would happen if you got hit by a bus? You *need* backup plans. |
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| 19:24.14 | tshirtman | two people can be hit by a bus as well as one :/ |
| 19:24.31 | tshirtman | I will probably be the only mentor on this project |
| 19:24.57 | araujo | hello |
| 19:25.11 | araujo | wonders which project it is |
| 19:25.25 | MatthewWilkes | tshirtman: What project is this? IANAGoogler, but if you can't find anyone that wants to help out you're unlikely to get accepted |
| 19:25.41 | tshirtman | usf.tuxfamily.org |
| 19:26.13 | MatthewWilkes | tshirtman: Ask the PSF if you can submit a project idea with them, you're MUCH more likely to succeed |
| 19:26.25 | tshirtman | ok |
| 19:26.28 | MatthewWilkes | There are plenty of pygame people doing similar things |
| 19:27.20 | tshirtman | ok |
| 19:27.23 | tshirtman | thanks |
| 19:28.00 | MatthewWilkes | np, and good luck! |
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| 19:35.41 | carols | good morning catfish_man! |
| 19:35.47 | carols | just got back from a meeting :-) |
| 19:35.48 | mlankhorst | heu |
| 19:35.55 | carols | was talking unconferences all morning |
| 19:36.07 | mlankhorst | unconferences for unpeople? |
| 19:36.25 | carols | mlankhorst: exactly :-) |
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| 19:39.58 | MatthewWilkes | mlankhorst: crimethinkful oldspeak correct fullwise. |
| 19:40.04 | mlankhorst | :{ |
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| 20:28.49 | dockside | anyone from sweden here that has participated as a student? |
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| 20:47.31 | Scorchin | Hi all, have a quick question regarding eligibility. I recently completed my undergrad course (June 2009), but have just been given (and accepted) an unconditional offer to start my Masters course in September. Am I eligible for the program? |
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| 20:47.45 | mlankhorst | !faq |
| 20:47.45 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
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| 20:49.30 | Scorchin | mlankhorst: I'm just reading through that now, just wanted to make sure that I was eligible. I'd assume I am as it reads: "an individual enrolled in or accepted into an accredited institution" |
| 20:49.43 | Scorchin | so I'd assume that's fine, but wanted to make sure :) |
| 20:49.57 | carols | scorchin: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#not_attending answers that specific question |
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| 20:50.34 | Scorchin | thanks carols! |
| 20:50.43 | carols | yw scorchin |
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| 20:51.54 | schumaml | wants a "save as draft" for applications (org's and student's) |
| 20:52.22 | kblin | !bugs |
| 20:52.22 | socinfo | "bugs" is Melange bugs are tracked at http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list |
| 20:52.37 | kblin | schumaml: ^^^ feature requests go there as well |
| 20:53.01 | schumaml | I think I saw it there last year already |
| 20:53.18 | kblin | patches welcome, I guess :) |
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| 20:56.21 | sfb | Hi kblin |
| 20:56.45 | sfb | schumaml: I don't think "safe draft" is necessary since it's not final and reviewed until after Mar 12 |
| 20:57.03 | sfb | schumaml: So in reality it's a draft no matter what until the application period closes... |
| 20:57.09 | schumaml | sfb: ok, so how do I save an incomplete org application? |
| 20:57.21 | sfb | Enter BS info? |
| 20:57.26 | sfb | I put "TODO" |
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| 21:01.03 | schumaml | that solves all but one fields, backup admin |
| 21:02.37 | schumaml | and I'd really prefer the system to recognize that this application is still incomplete |
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| 21:04.38 | kblin | sfb: the backup admin part is a bit annoying |
| 21:04.53 | mlankhorst | what if you set it to your own id ;p |
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| 21:05.01 | kblin | doesn't work |
| 21:05.04 | MatthewWilkes | schumaml: Patches welcome |
| 21:05.08 | kblin | I tried :) |
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| 21:10.49 | rafael-ec | question |
| 21:11.22 | rafael-ec | in the mentor organization application form |
| 21:11.29 | rafael-ec | the description should be only technical |
| 21:11.36 | rafael-ec | or also how our community is organize |
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| 21:12.36 | MatthewWilkes | talk about the community too |
| 21:13.12 | kblin | yeah, it's going to be read by students while they decide if they are going to look at your website :) |
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| 21:14.11 | rafael-ec | great |
| 21:14.24 | schumaml | oh |
| 21:15.00 | schumaml | there's no way to let other people edit a document created at my user level? |
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| 21:15.28 | kblin | you probably want to ask on #melange |
| 21:16.12 | schumaml | right |
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| 21:17.33 | mpdehaan | hi all, so I'm looking at submitting an organization proposal for my company, and don't see exactly where I invite my backup admin |
| 21:17.38 | mpdehaan | can someone give me a pointer? |
| 21:17.55 | micahcowan | It's the bottom field of the org application |
| 21:18.16 | micahcowan | It's not really an invitation, it's a declaration (AFAICT). |
| 21:18.39 | mpdehaan | yeah what goes there? |
| 21:18.50 | mpdehaan | doesn't like email addrs |
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| 21:18.59 | mpdehaan | ah the user name in gsoc |
| 21:19.02 | micahcowan | yup |
| 21:19.05 | mpdehaan | you should rename that field |
| 21:19.12 | mpdehaan | "link ID" seems to imply 'link' |
| 21:19.19 | mpdehaan | thanks |
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| 21:24.42 | ankit | hello evry1 |
| 21:24.57 | ankit | howz evrything goin wd GSOC 2010??? |
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| 21:26.12 | smtms | ankit, vry gd |
| 21:26.36 | smtms | ankit, how are English lessons going for you? |
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| 21:30.25 | cronco | :)) |
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| 21:31.05 | rafael-ec | What is your plan for dealing with disappearing students? <- is it possible to have a backup student |
| 21:31.19 | kblin | nope |
| 21:31.19 | micahcowan | Heheh, no |
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| 21:31.46 | rafael-ec | so what we can do? I guess that if the project has advanced maybe our developers can finish it |
| 21:31.51 | cronco | better put a tracking chip in them |
| 21:31.53 | sfb | schumaml: Fair enough point. (= |
| 21:32.00 | micahcowan | I figured, with that question, they're probably wanting to hear that you'll at least look into it, and notify Google when you can't reach the student |
| 21:32.03 | rafael-ec | or we can give this funciontality a hi priority |
| 21:32.16 | micahcowan | And not, say, wait until the evals to say, "oh, yeah, this student hasn't been active" |
| 21:32.42 | rafael-ec | micahcowan: it makes sense |
| 21:32.43 | kblin | it's more to make you think about questions like "how can we make sure we notice the student is missing?" or "what is your plan on contacting the student" |
| 21:32.47 | kblin | and stuff like that |
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| 21:33.01 | sfb | rafael-ec: I think some of the question isn't just how your team will finish the code but also how will you track down the student, find out why they disappeared, try and get them involved again (by removing obstacles maybe?( |
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| 21:34.34 | kblin | e.g. we require weekly progress reports, and if a student misses one of those, the mentor will try to contact the student, and if the student fails to respond in a week, the org admin will try to contact the student (ideally via an alternative method of communication) and if that doesn't get a result within another week, we fail the student |
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| 21:35.18 | micahcowan | kblin, IMO, "how will you notice that the student has disappeared" is a completely separate question from "what will you do about a disappearing student" |
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| 21:35.43 | sfb | micahcowan: It's part of dealing with disappearing students. |
| 21:36.40 | anth_x | i stuck semi-garbage in various fields i wanted to come back to later. |
| 21:36.44 | kblin | micahcowan: well, in order to deal with a disappearing student, you first need to notice that the student disappeared |
| 21:36.48 | anth_x | my answer to that question currently reads "sub-cutaneous gps". |
| 21:37.38 | kblin | anth_x: I asked LH if I could borrow one of Google's secret ninja strike teams last year |
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| 21:39.19 | MatthewWilkes | reminds me of this sketch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUP3A9imOYU&feature=related |
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| 21:48.39 | danderson | !timeline |
| 21:48.39 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 21:53.12 | rafael-ec | what is the idea of the application template? To get information related to the students. Why are they applying, their contact info, their knowledge, etc...? |
| 21:53.24 | Ivanovic | rafael-ec: exactly |
| 21:54.08 | Ivanovic | your way of supplying the students with questions to answer for you |
| 21:54.12 | smtms | rafael-ec, what informatino you need from students in order to be able to judge their proposals |
| 21:54.37 | rafael-ec | Ivanovic smtms thanks |
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| 21:58.08 | thebolt | kblin: if it was secret you wouldn't know it existed ;) |
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| 22:07.37 | Natacha42 | hi everybody i am a french student in IT and i am very interesting in open source project so i want to know how can i be a part of it? |
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| 22:08.53 | Catfish_Man | Natacha42: if you just want to work on an open source project, all you have to do is download the code and start working on things, and talk with the other people working on it |
| 22:09.01 | Catfish_Man | if you want to be part of google summer of code, I suggest reading the FAQ |
| 22:09.59 | Natacha42 | ok thx i will read the faq to begin |
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| 22:21.43 | vlprans | llvm |
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| 22:34.59 | mithro | anyone know if I submit my application can I continue to edit it? |
| 22:35.14 | ojwb | mithro: I believe so |
| 22:35.19 | cab938_lappy | yes you can |
| 22:35.25 | nddrylliog | mithro: yes we can. |
| 22:35.33 | nddrylliog | mithro: for two more days |
| 22:35.50 | mithro | great, mine is getting pretty long and I don't want to loose all that work :) |
| 22:35.58 | micahcowan | Wow, that's right, it's Wednesday already. |
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| 22:39.36 | sk | !timeline |
| 22:39.36 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 22:54.19 | cryos|work | Sorry if these has been asked lots - can an org admin also act as a mentor? |
| 22:54.30 | Catfish_Man | yes |
| 22:54.37 | cryos|work | Thanks :-) |
| 22:55.15 | cryos|work | couldn't spot the answer in the FAQ. |
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| 23:11.48 | carols | sits down with a plate of cookies and some tea, lies them out for everyone to enjoy |
| 23:11.54 | carols | mmmm honey cardamom cookies |
| 23:12.36 | carols | munches quietly |
| 23:12.39 | ojwb | carols: hmm, if only http worked with real cookies |
| 23:13.00 | carols | ojwb: the world of open source would function even better than it already does :-) |
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| 23:14.13 | zacker2 | Er, anyone have any idea what 'Backup Admin (Link ID):' means? It's a required field on the mentor form |
| 23:14.36 | ojwb | zacker2: get your backup admin to sign up |
| 23:14.45 | ojwb | and tell you the "linkid" they specified when they did |
| 23:15.11 | zacker2 | Thanks ojwb |
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| 23:19.35 | Kosma | carols: I accept cookies :) |
| 23:19.47 | carols | kosma: enjoy! |
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