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| 00:06.55 | paulproteus | waves. |
| 00:09.47 | carols | waves back |
| 00:09.53 | carols | quiet in here. |
| 00:10.15 | carols | im sure everyone's working on their organization applications. |
| 00:11.37 | nddrylliog | carols: 'xactly. |
| 00:12.25 | carols | nddrylliog: i'm sure it will get a lot noisier when everyone's coding away and working on all the cool stuff for the summer :-) |
| 00:13.33 | scorche|sh | carols: dont worry...you will see how busy the channel can get when deadlines are approaching ;) |
| 00:13.44 | scorche|sh | freenode alarms have been set off before.. |
| 00:13.52 | sreich3 | wow, really? |
| 00:13.57 | sreich3 | why? what is there to ask/do? |
| 00:14.03 | carols | that's got to be a badge of honor :-) |
| 00:14.17 | sreich | sighs at up/down key bumps |
| 00:15.06 | nddrylliog | carols: some of us are not waiting for the GSoC to begin to hack away =) |
| 00:15.15 | scorche|sh | good! |
| 00:15.19 | sreich | isn't :) |
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| 00:15.24 | carols | yes! that is awesome! |
| 00:15.27 | sreich | and wasn't, for that matter |
| 00:15.57 | nddrylliog | I mean, if we want students to contribute, we better clean up our codebase first ;) |
| 00:16.10 | carols | a very good plan :-) |
| 00:16.26 | Mathuin | I have often wondered how effective shame was in general for improving the cleanliness of codebases. I know before I released a project I audited it so I wouldn't be too embarrassed. |
| 00:17.00 | sreich | is currently having fun with branches in svn, for that matter..syncing changes can be such a pain, especially when you have to rename the sub-dirs of that branch (== only manually sync allowed) |
| 00:17.03 | carols | yes, but "if you aren't embarassed byt he first version of your product, you launched too late" |
| 00:17.58 | Mathuin | Oh totally! For the most part, it's commenting I worry about. Is there enough to explain the stuff that's not obvious to a new user of the language? Is there too much profanity? Basically, would I submit this for college credit? :-) |
| 00:18.00 | nddrylliog | Mathuin: we've been open-source from the very beginning so.. it's a compromise between getting used to shame and spending your time cleaning things up |
| 00:18.10 | carols | well, have a good night, all. |
| 00:18.15 | Mathuin | carols: night! |
| 00:18.17 | carols | wanders off to a meeting |
| 00:18.18 | nddrylliog | also, the first ten reddit bashings are kinda hard to take.. |
| 00:18.22 | nddrylliog | carols: good meeting! |
| 00:18.30 | carols | thanks to you both! |
| 00:18.35 | carols | waves goodbye |
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| 00:18.44 | Mathuin | nddrylliog: code cleanup is often a nice way for new contributors to get their feet wet. "I couldn't understand this, so I wrote these comments." et cetera. |
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| 00:20.53 | nddrylliog | Mathuin: well, comments are only part of the work. They really don't make up for bad design |
| 00:22.17 | Mathuin | nddrylliog: very little does. |
| 00:22.22 | Mathuin | starting over! :-) |
| 00:22.28 | Landon | heh |
| 00:22.53 | Mathuin | Isn't that the second-system effect according to Fred Brooks? |
| 00:23.28 | nddrylliog | Mathuin: 4th rewrite here, tell me about it ;) |
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| 00:23.34 | Mathuin | heheh |
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| 00:25.18 | meonkeys | is there email confirmation for submitting an organization application? |
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| 00:39.27 | amaurymedeiros | hi.. can a mentor be responsible for 2 or more projects at the same time? |
| 00:40.00 | MatthewWilkes | Yes, but it's strongly recommended against |
| 00:40.04 | MatthewWilkes | it takes a LOT of time |
| 00:41.22 | sreich | scorche|sh: what exactly did you mean by this channel becoming extremely busy. I couldn't imagine what students would have to ask in here about. shouldn't it all be discoverable on the FAQ (or is that the problem, people not reading FAQS :p |
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| 00:42.01 | MatthewWilkes | sreich: hehehehehehe |
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| 00:45.35 | lh | Nightrose: ping |
| 00:45.50 | ojwb | sreich: people not reading the FAQ, or at least not finding the answer (or the answer they want), is a large part of it |
| 00:46.03 | lh | Nightrose: cat allman has been looking at the spreadsheet links and says she does not have trouble accessing, are you still having difficulties |
| 00:46.04 | sreich | typical.. |
| 00:46.07 | ojwb | there's also a lot of random chatter |
| 00:46.19 | lh | thinks we should find some more women to op in this channel |
| 00:46.29 | ojwb | and a tendency to treat this channel as a general purpose help desk |
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| 00:47.49 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Sverre would look fetching in a dress⦠|
| 00:47.50 | lh | can i please get some help testing a link? |
| 00:47.58 | MatthewWilkes | paste away |
| 00:48.00 | lh | MatthewWilkes: that's something i don't want to think about |
| 00:48.00 | ojwb | lh: sure |
| 00:48.03 | lh | MatthewWilkes: thank you |
| 00:48.05 | lh | ojwb: thank you |
| 00:48.06 | lh | one moment |
| 00:48.31 | lh | please make sure you are not signed into your google accounts |
| 00:48.32 | lh | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/03/google-summer-of-code-by-numbers.html |
| 00:48.32 | lh | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/09/tasty-new-google-summer-of-code-stats.html |
| 00:48.42 | lh | please click on the link that says statistics in each. |
| 00:49.04 | summatusmentis | opens Safari |
| 00:49.08 | lh | expected behavior is that you are taken to a google spreadsheet with program stats 2005-2009 |
| 00:49.10 | lh | summatusmentis: thanks! |
| 00:49.21 | lh | it has been reported that folks cannot access the link |
| 00:49.22 | Mathuin | First one worked with Opera, second one did not. |
| 00:49.28 | lh | cat allman has looked and it worked fine. |
| 00:49.31 | lh | ok, checking |
| 00:49.35 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Confirmed, 2nd fails for me |
| 00:49.42 | summatusmentis | second wants me to sign in |
| 00:49.54 | ojwb | the 2009-09 one wants me to log in too |
| 00:50.01 | ojwb | in firefox |
| 00:50.20 | lh | ok i think i have figured this out. yay! |
| 00:50.20 | MatthewWilkes | lh: First one goes to pub?key=blah, 2nd goes to ccc?key=blah |
| 00:50.27 | Mathuin | YW! |
| 00:51.54 | lh | can you please try this link once again |
| 00:52.00 | lh | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/09/tasty-new-google-summer-of-code-stats.html |
| 00:52.14 | summatusmentis | WORKSFORME |
| 00:52.16 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Full of win. |
| 00:52.47 | ojwb | ditto |
| 00:52.49 | lh | well woot. |
| 00:52.52 | lh | i am a happy camper |
| 00:52.56 | lh | Nightrose: fixed. :) |
| 00:52.59 | lh | lfranchi: fixed. |
| 00:53.39 | summatusmentis | "happy camper" is a weird phrase |
| 00:54.02 | lh | summatusmentis: have you ever been camping in the rain? |
| 00:54.06 | lh | because that makes you unhappy. |
| 00:54.22 | summatusmentis | lh: touché |
| 00:54.28 | lfranchi | lh: cheers |
| 00:54.31 | summatusmentis | I don't camp nearly often enough |
| 00:54.37 | lh | lfranchi: thanks for the bug report |
| 00:54.41 | lh | summatusmentis: ditto. |
| 00:54.48 | lh | ojwb and MatthewWilkes thanks to you too. |
| 00:54.52 | ojwb | np |
| 00:54.55 | MatthewWilkes | camping in the rain isn't as bad as camping in the sun near dead things |
| 00:54.56 | lfranchi | lh: np :) |
| 00:55.10 | lh | MatthewWilkes: oh my. no, no it's not |
| 00:55.13 | lh | Mathuin: and thank you too. |
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| 00:55.16 | MatthewWilkes | or camping near drunk people in a thunderstorm, that was annoying |
| 00:55.17 | Mathuin | lh: any time. |
| 00:55.20 | lfranchi | lh: heh, still don't have permission |
| 00:55.26 | MatthewWilkes | Drunk people fall onto your tent and break it |
| 00:55.29 | meonkeys | holy crap, 3,214 memeber on the GSoC Mentors list? I hope my last post was useful to at least the majority of that 3,214. :) |
| 00:55.31 | lh | lfranchi: oh you are kidding. please provide link. |
| 00:55.35 | ojwb | lfranchi: force a reload? |
| 00:55.57 | lh | meonkeys: i am sure it was. so that being said, iirc, you do not get an email confirmation but you should have a link to your org applications in the side bar - do you see it there? |
| 00:56.01 | Mathuin | Second one worked for me after a forced reload. |
| 00:56.02 | lh | if so, do you see your app listed? |
| 00:56.12 | lh | hopes that a hard refresh hopes lfranchi |
| 00:56.24 | lh | is forced reload the right term these days? |
| 00:56.29 | lfranchi | lh: is it meant to be open to the public? |
| 00:56.32 | lfranchi | or only to mentors |
| 00:56.45 | lfranchi | anyway, after multiple refreshes: http://imagebin.ca/view/tuY_ItRY.html |
| 00:56.50 | lh | lfranchi: if we are talking about the gsoc stats spreadsheet, which i think we are, everyone in the world should be able to see it |
| 00:56.59 | Mathuin | lh: I'm not up on the fresh lingo, I'm trapped in the old school. |
| 00:57.01 | meonkeys | lh: no, I don't think so, unless I'm just daft... what might the link say? |
| 00:57.02 | lfranchi | yeah, i think so too |
| 00:57.13 | lh | meonkeys: this is an excellent question. |
| 00:57.19 | lh | who has submitted an organization application today? |
| 00:57.40 | meonkeys | I see a link to "List My Organization Application", but that page shows no submitted surveys. |
| 00:57.47 | lh | lfranchi: ah. got it. ok. |
| 00:57.54 | meonkeys | ("List My Organization Applications", rather) |
| 00:58.16 | lh | meonkeys: list my org apps should be correct. and you see no applications listed? |
| 00:58.31 | meonkeys | uh oh... NoScript strikes again! |
| 00:58.39 | meonkeys | *sigh*. |
| 00:58.42 | lh | lfranchi: so this is linked from two blog posts. i updated the link in the two posts and also made sure that the correct links are on the wiki stats page, you are getting that error because you keep going directly to a bad link, i think. |
| 00:58.45 | lh | meonkeys: ?? |
| 00:59.01 | meonkeys | NoScript is this Firefox plugin which blocks everything useful on the Web. |
| 00:59.11 | meonkeys | It wasn't allowing scripts for appspot.com. Fixed. |
| 00:59.17 | lh | lfranchi: please to try link from http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/09/tasty-new-google-summer-of-code-stats.html |
| 00:59.23 | MatthewWilkes | Yeah, Melange has a hard requirement on javascript |
| 00:59.26 | lh | lfranchi: that will work |
| 00:59.31 | lh | meonkeys: i see. thank you. |
| 00:59.51 | lfranchi | lh: aha, that works |
| 00:59.59 | lfranchi | lh: i swear i used that blog post, not sure what happened |
| 00:59.59 | lh | makes note that it is important to mention in user guide that javascript must be turned on to effectively use gsoc 2010 site |
| 01:00.01 | lfranchi | but thanks a bunch :) |
| 01:00.08 | lh | lfranchi: no worries, you did use it, i fixed it. |
| 01:00.08 | meonkeys | I'll reply to myself on the mailing list. |
| 01:00.12 | lh | lfranchi: you're welcome. |
| 01:00.13 | ojwb | lh: not me, sadly I don't think SWIG has enough potential mentors to be worth applying this year |
| 01:00.16 | lh | meonkeys: thanks appreciate it. |
| 01:00.21 | MatthewWilkes | !javascript |
| 01:00.21 | socinfo | Error: "javascript" is not a valid command. |
| 01:00.41 | lh | ojwb: well, i really respect that you folks realize that and are not going to apply. some people apply when they dont have enough mentors or enough time, and that's not good for them or for the program. |
| 01:00.56 | lh | or the students. |
| 01:01.02 | MatthewWilkes | !learn javascript as Melange requires javascript to work. If you don't have it enabled you won't be able to see any lists, such as the list of applications you've made. Don't panic. |
| 01:01.02 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 01:01.08 | MatthewWilkes | !javascript |
| 01:01.08 | socinfo | "javascript" is Melange requires javascript to work. If you don't have it enabled you won't be able to see any lists, such as the list of applications you've made. Don't panic. |
| 01:01.16 | ojwb | lh: i guess it's partly selfish - we realise it won't help our chances in the future if we do a half-hearted job |
| 01:01.24 | ojwb | but yes, it's not good for anyone |
| 01:01.50 | lh | ojwb: enlightened self interest is a wonderful thing. |
| 01:02.00 | ojwb | we also have several branches from the past which are close to being mergeable, but not quite there |
| 01:02.22 | ojwb | and I think it's good to focus on getting them pulling in rather than potentially adding to them |
| 01:02.34 | lh | ojwb: that's very cool. tell you what, when you do the merges and if you want to and have time, send us a blog post. it is always nice for people to see that gsoc has good results long after the program for that year. |
| 01:02.42 | lh | ojwb: agreed. |
| 01:02.46 | ojwb | lh: ok, will do |
| 01:02.50 | lh | awww, bummer, mr. altman departed. |
| 01:02.57 | lh | waves bye at secureendpoints |
| 01:03.25 | ojwb | immediately thinks of robert altman, the director, but I guess it's not him |
| 01:03.37 | lh | ojwb: no, jeff altman with openafs |
| 01:03.42 | lh | alrightey mateys, i am going to wander off for a bit and clean the garage. yes, that's right, clean the garage. yarr! |
| 01:03.51 | ojwb | oh, i've met him I think |
| 01:03.51 | Mathuin | Wooo hoooo! |
| 01:03.53 | ojwb | he's died? |
| 01:03.58 | summatusmentis | \o/ OpenAFS |
| 01:04.01 | lh | ojwb: no he left the channel |
| 01:04.01 | Mathuin | ojwb: no, he just logged out. |
| 01:04.02 | lh | oh goodness |
| 01:04.05 | ojwb | oh right |
| 01:04.08 | ojwb | phew |
| 01:04.18 | lh | ojwb: truly. Jeff is one of the most honorable people i know. |
| 01:04.32 | MatthewWilkes | Have a good one, lh! |
| 01:04.50 | lh | I get to meet so many wonderful people as part of this program and they all get to know each other too, which is one of the many reasons for the awesome of the GSoC. |
| 01:04.54 | lh | MatthewWilkes: thanks, will be back in a bit |
| 01:04.59 | lh | wanders off for real this time. |
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| 01:07.10 | MatthewWilkes | Absolutely, the mentor summit is awesome. I'd be up for a 5 day conference with the same group. |
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| 01:16.17 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: probably be exhausting though |
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| 01:20.38 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: Maybe a little less whisky. |
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| 02:05.28 | nddrylliog | redhat_pwbarnes: redhat *and* fedora in your join line, does that count as propaganda? ;) |
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| 02:17.28 | lh | nddrylliog: it counts as making it easy for people to find you |
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| 02:18.25 | nddrylliog | lh: good point. |
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| 02:19.19 | joshthecoder | question, can backup admins be students as well? |
| 02:20.07 | MatthewWilkes | joshthecoder: No, but a student that doesn't get a spot can subsequently replace the current backup admin |
| 02:21.29 | lh | joshthecoder: MatthewWilkes is spot on there |
| 02:22.28 | joshthecoder | well the issue is right now we don't have a backup admin lined up yet |
| 02:22.36 | ReDucTor | How much experience do GSoC students normally have? |
| 02:22.48 | ojwb | ReDucTor: it varies hugely |
| 02:23.11 | ReDucTor | Do they normally try and pick the smarter ones or the ones which need more experience? |
| 02:23.25 | lh | joshthecoder: ah. have student listed as backup admin. have him resign as per user guide once backup admin is defined. make sure that this is done before student applications open on march 29th. |
| 02:23.33 | ojwb | the try to pick student+project+mentor combinations which are likely to succeed |
| 02:23.36 | ojwb | they |
| 02:23.46 | ojwb | or they should... |
| 02:24.10 | lh | joshthecoder: let your student know that the google account credentials used to name her/him as backup admin are tied to a mentor role profile so they cannot use same credentials for student login if applying as a student |
| 02:24.22 | lh | best to create a separate gmail account for the admin role or the student role as the student wishes. |
| 02:24.31 | joshthecoder | lh, okay thanks |
| 02:24.39 | lh | joshthecoder: np, good luck, |
| 02:24.42 | ReDucTor | so they'll accept students with minimal experience? 1st yrs? |
| 02:25.04 | ojwb | provided they are tackling projects which are suitable, sure |
| 02:25.19 | MatthewWilkes | ReDucTor: Speaking personally, we'd rather have an inexperienced student that wants to learn than an experienced one that thinks he knows it all already |
| 02:25.35 | ReDucTor | k |
| 02:25.42 | ojwb | if you want to reimplement the linux kernel in erlang, and have never hacked kernels and can only write basic java, you're not likely to get picked |
| 02:25.55 | ReDucTor | true |
| 02:26.05 | ReDucTor | surpose alot depends on the mentor |
| 02:26.08 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: that's not just you... |
| 02:26.25 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: I know, but I don't feel comfortable speaking for others : |
| 02:26.27 | MatthewWilkes | :)* |
| 02:26.46 | joshthecoder | lh, now if the student does not get a slot in this org, but another one, could he still act as backup admin then for the org he is not a student in? |
| 02:27.36 | ReDucTor | I might mention GSoC to some of the students in the game dev course i'm doing. |
| 02:27.55 | MatthewWilkes | joshthecoder: No, you can be either a student or a mentor, no mixtures. |
| 02:28.15 | MatthewWilkes | You can informally mentor, but not officially, i.e. no access to the mentor mailing lists |
| 02:28.22 | joshthecoder | cool, well I think we can mange to find someone not being a student to take the role than |
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| 02:31.34 | lh | ah joshthecoder left. |
| 02:31.39 | lh | thanks MatthewWilkes |
| 02:31.49 | lh | considers playing a refreshing game of civilization. |
| 02:35.24 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Sometimes I think I know the FAQs too well :P |
| 02:35.33 | lh | MatthewWilkes: you really do |
| 02:35.54 | lh | and as usual thank you for answering questions so well and so quickly |
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| 02:40.33 | matthewwilkes_ | lh: Hush, I don't need thanking every time I help out. |
| 02:40.46 | lh | matthewwilkes_: eh, we are setting a good example for the young un's. |
| 02:40.48 | lh | :) |
| 02:41.16 | MatthewWilkes | I guess I have to accept that I'm not a young'un in this room, huh? |
| 02:41.29 | lh | MatthewWilkes: no, no you are not. not by a long shot. |
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| 02:43.03 | MatthewWilkes | Poached eggs on english muffins - best thing ever. |
| 02:44.00 | lh | i am about to eat an arugula salad. that is the best thing ever imho |
| 02:44.09 | ojwb | woah |
| 02:44.30 | ojwb | is listening to a bbc radio show which was just talking about poached eggs when you said that |
| 02:44.45 | ojwb | but it's not live, so it's not like you can be too |
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| 02:45.44 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: There should be an app which pauses all media and plays radio 4 whenever the shipping forecast in on.. |
| 02:46.22 | ojwb | or just reads out a fake shipping forecast |
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| 02:47.48 | anth_x | lh: made some absolutely wonderful arugula pesto from my garden last year. that was a wonderful new experience. |
| 02:48.04 | lh | anth_x: ooo. do you have a recipe link? |
| 02:48.44 | ojwb | ah, it's what we call "rocket" |
| 02:49.13 | lh | ojwb: yes. and i had two rocket salads while in NZ. nom! |
| 02:49.18 | lh | wanders off to have dinner |
| 02:49.21 | anth_x | there's lots of such online, but i can't find the one we used. :-/ |
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| 03:02.59 | LetterRip | Hi, I'm currently filling out the application for the Blender Foundation, in the question 'If your organization participated in past GSoCs, please let us know the ratio of students passing to students allocated, e.g. 2006: 3/6 for 3 out of 6 students passed in 2006.' Do you want just the date and the ratios? I see that below that is a comment section. |
| 03:03.06 | LetterRip | However the mouse over note says you want a long answer to this question |
| 03:03.19 | LetterRip | could someone please clarify? thank you |
| 03:05.13 | ojwb | LetterRip: I don't know for sure, but it sounds like a generic mouse over message |
| 03:05.25 | LetterRip | that is what i was guessing |
| 03:09.04 | LetterRip | didn't want to leave it short though if a long answer was expected :) |
| 03:10.18 | ojwb | unless there's something extra you want to say |
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| 03:11.52 | Waren | yo |
| 03:11.55 | nddrylliog | LetterRip: btw, congrats on applying for the Blender Foundation. looking forward to see what the students are going to work on this year =) |
| 03:12.26 | LetterRip | thanks :) We tend to get some really awesome proposals and hard working students |
| 03:12.39 | LetterRip | so it is always exciting to see the results |
| 03:13.11 | nddrylliog | indeed! |
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| 03:33.07 | Phoenix_ | hmm, the one thing i probably could have done for blender was done last year >.> |
| 03:33.56 | Phoenix_ | i wonder if there is anything involving opengl that could be done this year |
| 03:35.00 | LetterRip | Phoenix_: there are probably all sorts of areas that could use opengl improvments |
| 03:36.38 | Phoenix_ | its a matter of turning it into a specific proposal i guess |
| 03:37.43 | LetterRip | yep |
| 03:37.55 | LetterRip | stop by #blendercoders or email bf-committers |
| 03:38.32 | LetterRip | especially if you drop by a sunday meeting |
| 03:38.43 | Phoenix_ | thanks, i'll do that :P |
| 03:39.15 | LetterRip | the people to talk with would be brecht, matt_e, ideasman42 |
| 03:39.27 | Phoenix_ | i'm looking at the page now, there are some things I could look at and possibly run with |
| 03:39.41 | Phoenix_ | (blender projects page i mean) |
| 03:43.20 | LetterRip | Phoenix_: this page? http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Ref/GSoC/2010/Ideas |
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| 03:43.25 | LetterRip | or some other one? |
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| 03:44.28 | Phoenix_ | http://www.blender.org/development/current-projects/project-openings/ |
| 03:45.18 | LetterRip | ignore that one |
| 03:45.24 | LetterRip | it is about 5 years out of date :) |
| 03:45.30 | Phoenix_ | ugh |
| 03:45.43 | Phoenix_ | looking that the one you sent me now... |
| 03:46.19 | LetterRip | yeah looking at that page - just about everything is done already |
| 03:46.42 | Phoenix_ | glad you're here |
| 03:46.58 | LetterRip | i'll make a note to delete that stuff |
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| 03:48.49 | LetterRip | if you have a fair amount of coding experience, i'd probably do the sculpting tools stuff |
| 03:49.07 | LetterRip | but then i'm a bit biased :) |
| 03:52.09 | Phoenix_ | I'm fairly experienced with C/C++ so my problem would be coming up to speed on the techniques involved. |
| 03:52.21 | LetterRip | yeah |
| 03:53.37 | Phoenix_ | zbrush envy? :P |
| 03:54.02 | LetterRip | heh - zbrush and mudbox :) we can actually sculpt 45 million quads now with reasonable speed |
| 03:54.20 | LetterRip | but we lack some brushes, and some layer tools and other niceties |
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| 03:54.42 | LetterRip | on the other hand we are full 3D, with a very powerful modifier stack |
| 03:55.19 | LetterRip | the path to look in on blenders code is - D:\blender250\source\blender\editors\sculpt_paint |
| 03:55.32 | LetterRip | and the multiresmesh section |
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| 03:56.28 | Phoenix_ | thats helpful, if i look in there and don't get completely lost i might stand a chance |
| 03:56.51 | LetterRip | the multires mesh stuff is a bit more challenging |
| 03:56.54 | LetterRip | just a sec |
| 03:58.44 | LetterRip | http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Source/Blender/Modeling/Sculpting_Tools |
| 03:58.55 | LetterRip | http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:2.4/Source/Modeling/Multires |
| 03:59.04 | LetterRip | multires has changed quite a bit since that doc |
| 03:59.08 | LetterRip | since it is now a modifier |
| 03:59.35 | LetterRip | if you are interested in it - ask brecht about it |
| 03:59.51 | LetterRip | since he did the optimization work that brought it to 45 million quads |
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| 04:02.16 | Phoenix_ | ok. this is a nice level of documentation, with this level of documentation i think i could do anything :P |
| 04:04.42 | LetterRip | heh - well if they were up to date fully :) |
| 04:05.07 | LetterRip | like i said, ask brecht |
| 04:05.23 | Phoenix_ | heh |
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| 04:09.45 | LetterRip | if you are interested in submitting - it is worthwhile to download, play with the source a bit |
| 04:09.54 | LetterRip | possibly do a patch or two |
| 04:09.58 | LetterRip | fix a bug or two |
| 04:11.51 | Phoenix_ | yeah, i'm gonna look at it. I wanna do something graphics or compiler related. Got so many potential mentor organizations my head is spinning |
| 04:12.52 | LetterRip | :) |
| 04:13.00 | LetterRip | yeah those are the funnest areas |
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| 04:16.41 | LetterRip | actually one of our students from years past is now working for apple doing compiler development |
| 04:16.51 | Catfish_Man | mmm llvm |
| 04:17.00 | LetterRip | yep |
| 04:17.15 | Catfish_Man | what's his/her name? |
| 04:17.40 | LetterRip | http://minormatter.com/zr/ |
| 04:18.02 | Catfish_Man | nice. ddunbar is a total badass |
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| 04:19.38 | dberkholz | evening folks |
| 04:19.47 | Catfish_Man | hi dberkholz |
| 04:20.32 | dberkholz | Catfish_Man: you guys applying again this year? |
| 04:21.08 | Phoenix_ | i'm looking at llvm as well, particularly clang |
| 04:21.11 | Catfish_Man | dberkholz: 'fraid not. Between a spree of "getting jobs" and "school" and other bs like that most of us aren't working on Adium anymore |
| 04:21.28 | Catfish_Man | Steve's at Yahoo, I'm at Apple, Zac's off doing something, Evan's being a doctor, etc... |
| 04:21.32 | dberkholz | Catfish_Man: surely you could handle 1 slot among all of you |
| 04:21.49 | dberkholz | you need to pick up a new dev =) |
| 04:21.54 | Catfish_Man | no kidding |
| 04:22.07 | Catfish_Man | http://hg.adium.im/adium/graph tells a sad sad tale |
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| 04:26.24 | LetterRip | we tend to have the problem that we don't have enough core devs to handle the patch rate we get |
| 04:26.36 | LetterRip | our number of core devs is increasing |
| 04:26.41 | LetterRip | but not fast enough really |
| 04:27.14 | LetterRip | for the size of project we are and wide usage, it would generally have about 15 paid full time developers :) |
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| 04:33.05 | micahcowan | I'm an org admin this year, and I was last year as well; however, this year I'm doing the application submission, which I haven't done previously. Is there a way for me to see last year's org profile (and, ideally, last year's application values) for reference while I'm filling out the application for GNU this year? |
| 04:35.00 | ojwb | micahcowan: I think no, unless last year's admin saved it |
| 04:35.13 | micahcowan | That's what I thought... was just hoping to be wrong :) |
| 04:35.17 | ojwb | but I'm not certain |
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| 05:17.17 | dberkholz | micahcowan: that's why i develop our app on our wiki |
| 05:17.39 | micahcowan | Hm, not a bad idea. |
| 05:17.51 | dberkholz | also has the nice benefit of getting other people's input |
| 05:18.29 | dberkholz | you can see last year's profile page by just going to it in the webapp |
| 05:20.27 | micahcowan | I can't find a link to it. There's the "public description" page, but not the (editable) org profile page. |
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| 05:24.01 | dberkholz | i was talking about the Home page, perhaps you had something different in mind |
| 05:24.28 | micahcowan | Yeah |
| 05:24.58 | micahcowan | IIRC, there was a profile page for the org, similar to the one for users, to fill in/edit information about the org |
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| 06:26.48 | slouken | Is anyone from Google available to answer questions? |
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| 06:27.11 | Dark_Shikari | don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 06:27.40 | slouken | Okay |
| 06:27.52 | slouken | I'm apply for Simple DirectMedia Layer, but this year we have a company associated with it. |
| 06:28.14 | slouken | Should I list Simple DirectMedia Layer as the organization, or the company? |
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| 06:29.55 | kblin | slouken: it's still SDL, right? |
| 06:30.01 | slouken | Yep :) |
| 06:30.36 | slouken | I figured I would still list it that way, but wondered if I should include the new company name at all. |
| 06:30.57 | Dark_Shikari | list the project name |
| 06:31.01 | Dark_Shikari | being backed by a company isn't anything new |
| 06:31.09 | slouken | Okay, thanks. :) |
| 06:31.16 | kblin | slouken: I'm not sure how the company changes what SDL does :) |
| 06:31.22 | slouken | It doesn't. |
| 06:31.28 | kblin | then apply as SDL :) |
| 06:31.31 | slouken | Done. |
| 06:31.37 | kblin | hi, btw :) |
| 06:31.43 | slouken | Hi! |
| 06:31.55 | slouken | I saw your name in the list and almost shouted it out. :) |
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| 06:32.22 | kblin | good timing. I just woke up :) |
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| 06:37.38 | slouken | How's it going? |
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| 06:37.51 | aghisla | hello all :) |
| 06:38.22 | slouken | Hello :) |
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| 06:39.37 | kblin | slouken: good, about to give world economy the finger and stay at university for another few years to get a phd :) |
| 06:39.45 | slouken | good for you. :) |
| 06:41.31 | kblin | and from your host cloak I figure you're still a dread pirate of WOW UI? :) |
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| 06:44.15 | slouken | Heheheh |
| 06:44.31 | slouken | I'm actually not working on WoW anymore, but yes, I wore that pirate hat. :) |
| 06:44.57 | kblin | so still SC2 networking? :) |
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| 06:45.16 | slouken | You're remarkably well informed. :) |
| 06:45.37 | slouken | Actually I'm working on Battle.net social features right now. Specifically, integrating them into WoW. |
| 06:45.51 | slouken | (among quite a few other things) :) |
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| 06:46.26 | kblin | sounds interesting. so you'll get a social network without ever having to log out of WoW? :) |
| 06:47.12 | slouken | Yep. At least you'll have your Blizzard friends who are busy playing SC2. :) |
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| 06:47.42 | slouken | (and vice versa) People who are waiting for a raid can hop into an SC2 game. |
| 06:48.57 | ihalip | morning |
| 06:49.07 | kblin | I wonder how much overlap the player bases have.. but obviously blizzard is trying to increase that overlap :) |
| 06:49.16 | slouken | I'm not sure. |
| 06:49.39 | slouken | morning ihalip. :) |
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| 06:50.32 | kblin | slouken: I've got to get my day started, was nice chatting with you. hopefully we meet again at the mentor summit |
| 06:50.40 | slouken | Yes! |
| 06:50.43 | slouken | Take it easy. :) |
| 06:50.45 | kblin | morning sverre |
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| 07:07.54 | alden | is it mantadory to be a student to participate in gsoc? |
| 07:08.28 | skbohra | alden: yes ! |
| 07:08.36 | alden | :( |
| 07:08.37 | skbohra | !faqs |
| 07:08.37 | socinfo | Error: "faqs" is not a valid command. |
| 07:08.40 | skbohra | !faq |
| 07:08.40 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
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| 07:19.22 | dreimark | moin |
| 07:19.32 | dreimark | very nice logo |
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| 07:26.06 | dreimark | alden: you also could participate as mentor |
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| 07:26.53 | __codefest | We invite you to be a part of the Largest Online Coding festival in the Indian Subcontinent.[ http://itbhu.ac.in/codefest ] Sit right in front of your systems and take part in challenging and mind boggling competitions on application development, algorithm design etc. PS:Attractive Prizes.Adobe & BT certificates. |
| 07:29.25 | alden | can i still participate if i dont want a stipend? |
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| 07:30.44 | summatusmentis | alden: you're always welcome to participate in any open source project |
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| 07:42.30 | Dark_Shikari | most open source projects are happy for the extra hands ;) |
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| 07:46.31 | ksinkar | has the student application round begun? |
| 07:47.07 | aghisla | @timeline |
| 07:47.57 | ojwb | ksinkar: no, org apps opened today |
| 07:48.05 | ojwb | !timeline |
| 07:48.05 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 07:48.24 | aghisla | thanks ojwb |
| 07:52.45 | ksinkar | thanks for the timeline |
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| 08:10.42 | marcheu | what does "Backup Admin (link id)" mean in backup admin? do I just have to put a gmail address or what is a "link id"? |
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| 08:13.43 | zr0bert | link id is explained here, http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/userguide |
| 08:14.33 | marcheu | ah thanks |
| 08:14.58 | marcheu | I think I spent too much time counting student fail/passes over the last 4 years :) |
| 08:15.07 | marcheu | so I missed it |
| 08:17.37 | zr0bert | is there a mentor-to-be around? |
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| 08:28.43 | ojwb | zr0bert: probably many - if you have a question just ask it |
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| 08:33.09 | zr0bert | ojwb: well, basically, how do I know that i have enough experience to join gsoc? The student projects from 2009 that ive looked into looks advanced too me |
| 08:33.57 | ojwb | zr0bert: as a student? well, you need to pick a project which fits your abilities |
| 08:34.37 | ojwb | if you can't program at all currently, you're probably not going to find something, but most orgs have projects for quite a range of ability |
| 08:35.13 | ojwb | and pick something which matches your other strengths - so if you're musical, look at music related projects |
| 08:35.18 | zr0bert | im a CS student, but I havent engaged in a project outside of school before |
| 08:35.39 | aghisla | you can write a project that you feel confident that you will complete, the org mentors will ask you to improve it if needed |
| 08:35.50 | ojwb | most student participants haven't either |
| 08:36.19 | aghisla | lot of students are not CS students :) |
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| 08:40.24 | zr0bert | thanks, i guess ill have to wait for the projects to come in and see then |
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| 09:01.08 | kblin | work, work |
| 09:06.39 | thebolt | kblin: agree.. unfortunately |
| 09:12.20 | kblin | meh, my openoffice wizards seem broken somehow |
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| 09:38.32 | aghisla | BarryCarlyon! |
| 09:38.37 | aghisla | a round of green tea? |
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| 09:38.52 | BarryCarlyon | Always, I'll put the kettle on. |
| 09:38.59 | aghisla | great thanks |
| 09:39.14 | aghisla | fetches biscuits |
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| 09:56.01 | ksinkar | i have written programs but low level ones |
| 09:56.21 | ksinkar | what do the organizations expect from us |
| 09:57.17 | aghisla | miracles :D |
| 09:57.25 | aghisla | kidding |
| 09:57.39 | aghisla | ksinkar, have a look at successful projects from past years |
| 09:57.50 | aghisla | for your organisation of interest |
| 09:58.17 | ojwb | and talk to the orgs which interest you |
| 09:58.26 | ojwb | they'll have a much better idea what they expect than we do |
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| 09:58.36 | LaurieJ | ksinkar: depends what you mean by low level - basic programmes, or low level coding eg drivers/assembly? you may be able to find an org who do low level coding, if the latter |
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| 10:06.32 | ksinkar | assembly |
| 10:06.37 | ksinkar | but not drivers |
| 10:06.45 | ksinkar | and basic coding |
| 10:07.17 | ksinkar | have not done development of complex gui applications |
| 10:07.58 | Dark_Shikari | hears assembly and whispers "x264 project" |
| 10:14.04 | ojwb | Dark_Shikari: not sure that fits so well with the "basic coding" part |
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| 10:15.21 | Dark_Shikari | true. |
| 10:15.28 | Dark_Shikari | but since when is assembly ever "basic coding"? |
| 10:17.18 | skbohra | :D |
| 10:17.31 | skbohra | the name itself scares me |
| 10:18.02 | aghisla | the hardware whisperer.. |
| 10:18.41 | sudipta_mondal | isn't there any project which would require easy (basic) coding in c, c++ or php or python, |
| 10:19.28 | aghisla | there will be soon a list of applications grouped by language |
| 10:19.37 | aghisla | there was one last year afaicr |
| 10:21.32 | Abhinav1 | sudipta_mondal: have a look at http://tinyurl.com/yedcqmb :) |
| 10:21.52 | Dark_Shikari | "easy"? what kind of summer of code is this anyways ;) |
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| 10:22.13 | aghisla | fun but challenging heh |
| 10:22.37 | ojwb | Dark_Shikari: back when I was a lad, assembler was high level coding |
| 10:22.51 | ojwb | the low level version was working out the codes yourself |
| 10:23.26 | Dark_Shikari | eh, come on, that's the same thing |
| 10:23.27 | Dark_Shikari | it's a regex =p |
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| 10:55.52 | okn | hello |
| 10:56.13 | okn | I am new to open source |
| 10:56.40 | okn | I am looking for a gsoc project which does not require |
| 10:56.51 | okn | so much experience about the project |
| 10:56.56 | okn | any suggestions |
| 10:58.45 | ojwb | okn: orgs generally don't expect you to have prior experience with their code |
| 10:59.13 | okn | I don't think so |
| 10:59.29 | ojwb | don't think what? |
| 10:59.30 | okn | because they want you tu submit some patches |
| 10:59.51 | okn | in your prooposals |
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| 11:00.04 | ojwb | yes, but not for deep stuff generally |
| 11:00.15 | ojwb | that's to check that you can actually get a working build tree |
| 11:00.29 | ojwb | and that if you say you know the language involved, you actually do |
| 11:00.43 | ojwb | and to see how you interact with people |
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| 11:00.44 | okn | ok you mean simple patches are ok |
| 11:01.18 | okn | I couldn't get |
| 11:01.18 | Ivanovic | mostly those are good tasks for you to get to know the existing code |
| 11:01.21 | ojwb | typically yes |
| 11:01.26 | okn | that |
| 11:01.42 | okn | there many student coders around almost every orgs |
| 11:01.48 | ojwb | and orgs that want patches should be willing to answer questions you need to ask to get them |
| 11:01.55 | Ivanovic | yeah, those are explicitly meant for people who do not know the stuff yet so that they have an easier way in than just browsing through everything |
| 11:02.30 | okn | so why to choose me instead of other experienced guys |
| 11:02.31 | Ivanovic | okn: you know, several of the core developers of projects in fact *are* students themselves |
| 11:02.55 | Dark_Shikari | <------- example |
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| 11:03.19 | Ivanovic | okn: if your project proposal is good, reasonable and you seem to be one that its worth working with |
| 11:03.25 | Ivanovic | those are the main reasons why you are chosen |
| 11:04.05 | Ivanovic | Dark_Shikari: i was admin in SoC for wesnoth in the last two years and am still a student myself |
| 11:04.23 | Dark_Shikari | same here. mentor for 2 years (will be 3 this year) and still a college student |
| 11:05.06 | okn | then can we say that whole point of the gsoc |
| 11:05.32 | okn | is attracting people who did not involved in open source much |
| 11:06.24 | ojwb | okn: not the whole point, but certainly a major one |
| 11:06.35 | Ivanovic | the purpose, as i see it, is to give students an opportunity to not have to flip burgers as summer job but do something that they are more interested in |
| 11:06.56 | okn | that really sounds good |
| 11:07.01 | Dark_Shikari | and quite often you never go back. |
| 11:07.03 | Ivanovic | beside this it is of course also a means to attract new developers to open source projects |
| 11:07.08 | Dark_Shikari | as in, once you do open source, you realize that not only is it fun |
| 11:07.19 | Dark_Shikari | but it can provide enough paid work that there's never a reason to consider flipping burgers again =p |
| 11:07.29 | Ivanovic | no matter where they are come from, if they never had contact to open source or if they already had some contact maybe just not in this much detail |
| 11:08.15 | Ivanovic | for the projects it is a way to a) get new people interested and b) get some "kickstart" for maybe neglected areas that really can use some love |
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| 11:28.47 | Raven|Away | Can any tell me what the Link ID is about? "It is used throughout the site when creating various URL links related to you etc.." |
| 11:29.16 | lut4rp | Raven|Away, like links to your orgs or student pages |
| 11:29.29 | lut4rp | its like a short name for you organization |
| 11:29.34 | lut4rp | your* |
| 11:29.52 | Raven|Away | ah, so anything I choose to identify my "organisation" with |
| 11:30.01 | lut4rp | yeah |
| 11:30.05 | Raven|Away | kk ty |
| 11:30.43 | lut4rp | like Drupal chose drupal, and BZFlag chose bzflag :) |
| 11:31.03 | ojwb | perhaps think of it as a variable name... |
| 11:31.04 | Raven|Away | lolz, well i'm a student physics at the KULeuven - not sure what i'd chose |
| 11:31.23 | lut4rp | kuleuven is fine, IMO |
| 11:32.02 | lut4rp | ojwb, variable name O_o more like a constant :P |
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| 11:32.25 | nddrylliog | why is the link ID associated to an account and not to an org, then? |
| 11:32.27 | Raven|Away | "The Link ID can NOT be changed." scared me a bit ^^ |
| 11:32.57 | ojwb | lut4rp: yeah, but I don't want to encourage shouting |
| 11:33.08 | Mek | there are seperate link id's for accounts and orgs |
| 11:33.09 | lut4rp | nddrylliog, for a student, it is assoaciated with an account |
| 11:33.14 | ojwb | nddrylliog: both users and orgs have linkids |
| 11:34.03 | nddrylliog | ojwb: there are linkids for orgs too? Oo |
| 11:34.08 | nddrylliog | reviews his org application |
| 11:34.30 | nddrylliog | not seeing a field where we can specify that. |
| 11:34.37 | nddrylliog | or will the org have the linkid of the admin? |
| 11:34.46 | ojwb | no, it has its own linkid |
| 11:34.58 | ojwb | or did last year, and it's the same software |
| 11:35.21 | ojwb | hasn't applied this year, so I don't know where it is specified |
| 11:35.28 | nddrylliog | well, I can't see it anywhere in the org application this year |
| 11:35.37 | nddrylliog | haven't participated last year so I can't compare :x |
| 11:36.02 | Raven|Away | if you create a profile this year (as user) it asks for a Link ID and a Public Name. You can't change the Link ID afterwards. The field doesn't really explain what the Link ID is |
| 11:36.18 | Raven|Away | http://socghop.appspot.com/user/create_profile |
| 11:36.44 | ojwb | Raven|Away: it's just an id |
| 11:37.00 | ojwb | something short but sane, like you might name a variable in code |
| 11:38.26 | Mek | the user guide explains quite nicely what a link id is... |
| 11:38.28 | Mek | and how it is used... |
| 11:38.41 | Mek | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/userguide#depth_createswp |
| 11:38.57 | Mek | actually, the paragraph before that |
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| 12:57.14 | Lunixed | Wow nice work durinbot :) |
| 12:57.23 | Lunixed | Really nice for new ppl :) |
| 12:57.50 | Lunixed | but it said it never seen me in this list.. now thats totally false !!! |
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| 13:02.08 | ojwb | Lunixed: dwarves don't have a great long-term memory |
| 13:02.51 | Lunixed | :D |
| 13:02.52 | ojwb | but also, it isn't connected all the time, so it's possible it hasn't seen you on #gsoc even if you have been here before |
| 13:03.10 | Lunixed | I would say it as I have not seen it :P |
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| 14:57.21 | Stepan | Hey |
| 14:57.38 | Stepan | I probably missed this, but what does "Invalid XSRF token" mean? |
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| 14:58.25 | lut4rp | !faq |
| 14:58.25 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
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| 14:58.40 | lut4rp | thanks socinfo :) |
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| 15:01.22 | Stepan | lut4rp: was that for me? |
| 15:01.34 | lut4rp | Stepan, oh sorry, no :) |
| 15:01.47 | lut4rp | Had to show that FAQ to someone. |
| 15:02.03 | Stepan | was just wondering, because I searched the FAQ for XSRF token already |
| 15:02.14 | ojwb | no idea, try googling? |
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| 15:18.00 | dberkholz | cross-site request forgery? |
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| 15:21.43 | dberkholz | Stepan: you might be hitting a problem with melange, i'd hit up their irc channel if you haven't already |
| 15:23.09 | adifire | hi... is there any condition that one who is participating in GSoC must have prior open source experience? |
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| 15:23.22 | Dark_Shikari | no |
| 15:23.28 | Dark_Shikari | most often, people don't |
| 15:23.54 | adifire | thanx.. |
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| 15:36.30 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 16:56.20 | ThomasWaldmann | hatschi |
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| 17:04.18 | namelesz | anyone here that worked on a gsoc android project in the past? |
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| 17:10.04 | bram_atmire | any dutch speaking people here that are interested to apply as a GSoC student ? |
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| 17:48.25 | fabiosl | !timeline |
| 17:48.25 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 17:53.53 | sfb | Seems more quiet this week than it was the same week last year... |
| 17:54.14 | scorche|sh | give it time... |
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| 17:58.20 | namelesz | anyone here that worked on a gsoc android project in the past? |
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| 17:58.48 | lh | agrees with scorche|sh |
| 17:59.21 | scorche|sh | lh: <3 |
| 17:59.32 | lh | scorche|sh: how you doin' sir? |
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| 17:59.56 | summatusmentis | namelesz: afaik android was not a gsoc org in the past? I'm not sure on that |
| 18:00.05 | scorche|sh | staying busy |
| 18:00.08 | summatusmentis | also, asking your question multiple times won't get it answered more quickly |
| 18:00.26 | lh | scorche|sh: same here. :) |
| 18:00.28 | scorche|sh | havent had a chance to do any presentations on GSoC this year yet, but i hope to still get on the wagon - late better than never |
| 18:01.30 | scorche|sh | going to meet with some folks from a university to accept GSoC work as satisfying requirements of an internship - it meets all of them, but it just takes some talking to |
| 18:02.53 | sfb | lh: Did I lose contact somewhere or did the Teaching Open Source calls stop? |
| 18:03.30 | lh | sfb: i just didn't have time to drive the process. i was hoping someone would step up to do it, but that didn't happen. it's on my list of ideas to rekindle at some point. |
| 18:03.41 | lh | scorche|sh: dont forget i can send you a letter if it will help. |
| 18:03.49 | sfb | Okay. I thought it was me just being forgetful. |
| 18:04.01 | scorche|sh | nods at lh |
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| 18:08.29 | lh | sfb: no, just too many good things to do, too little time |
| 18:08.30 | lh | :) |
| 18:08.40 | summatusmentis | story of my life |
| 18:08.45 | lh | alrightey folks, i am heading off to the sigcse conference in milwaukee |
| 18:08.53 | scorche|sh | have fun |
| 18:08.54 | vptr | heh, there is a bot in here :) |
| 18:08.58 | lh | as always, use the mailing lists or email me personally if you need help |
| 18:09.14 | lh | carols is going to be around the rest of the week as much as she can, so she is always here to help you too. |
| 18:09.15 | lh | :) |
| 18:09.25 | carols | yes I will! |
| 18:09.25 | lh | be well, have fun, enjoy the application madness |
| 18:09.31 | lh | carols: you rock madam! |
| 18:09.40 | lh | talk to you all soon, will try to get on irc during the conf. |
| 18:09.46 | carols | lh: so do you! |
| 18:10.01 | lh | carols: awww, thanks. I call this meeting of the mutual admiration society. :) |
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| 20:04.01 | ArthurLiu | mentors/admins: anyone remember about my proposal for regional student summits ? |
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| 20:37.56 | n11235 | is wondering which organizations will make it this year. |
| 20:38.10 | araujo | :) |
| 20:38.43 | Ivanovic | roughly more than 100 |
| 20:38.45 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 20:39.22 | smtms | any news on how many projects Google plans to fund? |
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| 20:42.27 | Gracenotes | I see durinbot has a short memory, if he has one at all. |
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| 20:42.57 | ihalip | he remembers me, i guess |
| 20:43.07 | Gracenotes | (also, the whole being really annoying thing, might want to look into that) |
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| 20:43.53 | ihalip | nah, i think it's ok; there are people asking questions already answered in the faq, which they didn't bother to read |
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| 20:53.04 | sfb | smtms: The FAQ says approximately the same number as last year. |
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| 21:12.52 | niphlhell | hallo everybody, I am new in gsoc, I from Ukraine, last year my friend from my university participated in the program of gsoc, and he said that in the beginning need to talk with people in a chat, because it would be needed I was noticed, but I do not know from what to begin and whom to appeal, hope for your help |
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| 21:13.38 | Jeff_S | niphlhell: you can take a look at mentor orgs that participated last year and see if any of them interest you. |
| 21:13.39 | c_schmitz | !timeline |
| 21:13.40 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 21:13.52 | smtms | niphlhell, which open-source projects interest you? |
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| 21:16.17 | niphlhell | I would like to write smth on c\c++ |
| 21:16.38 | smtms | niphlhell, there are a lot of projects that use C and C++ |
| 21:17.10 | Trademark | A list of projects is avaible ? |
| 21:17.18 | smtms | niphlhell, do as Jeff_S suggested |
| 21:17.37 | mcowan | Trademark, no, because the list of accepted organizations isn't even known yet. |
| 21:17.39 | smtms | Trademark, a list of mentoring organizations that participated in GSOC 2009 is available |
| 21:17.50 | smtms | Trademark, does that answer your quesition? |
| 21:18.18 | Trademark | yes thanks, just another question, this list is on the official website ? |
| 21:18.32 | smtms | there was a list somewhere of mentoring orgs by programing language used... |
| 21:18.42 | Trademark | ho okay 2009, right, i'll wait then |
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| 21:18.55 | smtms | Trademark, you'll wait for 2009? :-) |
| 21:19.06 | Trademark | for 2010 \o/ |
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| 21:19.46 | smtms | Trademark, do you have a favourite open-source project? |
| 21:20.08 | niphlhell | I know, but I would like to do indeed interesting. I have experience of writing of the modules for the kernel of linuks for example, in my bachelor work. |
| 21:20.34 | Trademark | smtms, first time i hear about gsoc, i'm desoriented a bit. I dont know yet projects |
| 21:20.50 | carols | Trademark: the list of organizations that participated in 2009 organized by language and keywords is here: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009 |
| 21:21.46 | smtms | Trademark, open-source software existed before Google Summer of Code started ;-) |
| 21:22.24 | Trademark | ty, and this can give me a global idea of projects that will be available this year, right ? |
| 21:22.35 | Landon | always reads smtms as shorthand for summatusmentis : |
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| 21:22.42 | Jeff_S | Trademark: yes, there is a good chance most of those will be around again this year |
| 21:22.50 | Trademark | smtms, i know but the last year i didn't coded anythings :p |
| 21:23.14 | Trademark | Jeff_S, Okay, i give a watch on it |
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| 21:26.57 | smtms | Landon, I can't help you with that |
| 21:27.08 | mlankhorst | I hate wireless |
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| 21:29.04 | Trademark | carols, are there any projects that first year programming school can accomplish ? |
| 21:29.17 | Trademark | I have the motivation of course |
| 21:29.50 | carols | Trademark: of course. its always important to discuss you project idea with the mentor organization and they will give you guidance on what can be accomplished in the summer |
| 21:30.31 | Trademark | My real question is : Have i only ONE chance to be accepted ? :) |
| 21:30.52 | mlankhorst | but you can control that chance :P |
| 21:31.26 | Ivanovic | Trademark: of course you can apply for several organizations |
| 21:31.31 | Trademark | i"ll dedicate my life to that chance :D :p |
| 21:31.40 | Ivanovic | Trademark: though a *good* proposal takes lots of time and efford |
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| 21:32.13 | micahcowan | Yes, spamming several organizations with two-sentence proposals has a very low (zero) success rate :) |
| 21:32.25 | Trademark | i guess |
| 21:32.47 | smtms | Trademark, what do you mean by "one chance"? |
| 21:33.16 | Ivanovic | Trademark: to increase your changes communicate with the project(s) you are interested in |
| 21:33.59 | Ivanovic | s/changes/chances |
| 21:34.00 | micahcowan | To increase it even more, you can even try taking on small tasks before GSoC starts :) |
| 21:34.00 | Trademark | smtms, you know... i heard gsoc, so i read a lot of things about (like the faq) but i just wanted to know if a newbie can do smth, but Ivanovic answered |
| 21:34.38 | Trademark | micahcowan, :) |
| 21:35.09 | Trademark | My english isn't so good, sorry if you misunderstand me |
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| 21:37.27 | smtms | there are some orgs that are more newbie-friendly |
| 21:39.20 | micahcowan | Yeah, many orgs are primarily focused on getting good code out of the program, while many other orgs are primarily focused on helping students learn programming, and gain enthusiasm for open source/Free software. Both are valid approaches. |
| 21:39.31 | micahcowan | (Hopefully at least a little of each, anyway) |
| 21:39.48 | mlankhorst | well, not to learn programming |
| 21:39.54 | mlankhorst | or at least not in the general sense ;) |
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| 21:41.13 | Trademark | do u have any names of orgs newbie-friendly :) (like u call'em smtms ) |
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| 21:41.13 | Trademark | ? |
| 21:41.43 | scorche | Trademark: all of them should be...it just depends on how much the "newbie" is willing to work ;) |
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| 21:44.27 | Trademark | okay, i just see an interresting org : tux4kids, do you think they will come this year ? |
| 21:44.48 | araujo | soon we will know :) |
| 21:44.56 | Trademark | okay ;) |
| 21:44.58 | mlankhorst | !timeline |
| 21:44.58 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 21:45.25 | Trademark | 18 march |
| 21:45.30 | micahcowan | Trademark, extremely likely |
| 21:45.38 | araujo | Trademark, if you are new, one good recommendation is to pick a topic you are interested at, and contact that organization, write to their mailing list and talk a little bit about your background is also a good thing at first |
| 21:46.31 | Trademark | araujo, thanks for this advice, just one other question : what is the mailing list ? |
| 21:46.44 | micahcowan | Trademark, well, of course there's no guarantee they'll be accepted. But a friend of mine who's with tux4kids has always been very enthusiastic about GSoC, and was there at least the last couple years. |
| 21:46.55 | araujo | Trademark, the organization mailing list .... |
| 21:47.07 | araujo | Trademark, the project you choose in other words |
| 21:47.22 | smtms | Trademark, look at their web site for information on their mailing lists, IRC channels, etc. |
| 21:47.37 | Trademark | smtms, ok i just did it |
| 21:47.52 | smtms | Trademark, you are already ahead of the competition :-) |
| 21:48.00 | Trademark | =p |
| 21:48.14 | Trademark | before contact them i will give a look to other org |
| 21:48.39 | Trademark | to have a global view of the projects |
| 21:48.41 | araujo | Trademark, but first, don't worry too much about difficulty , and also be aware, that just because the project has the "kid" word on it doesn't mean it is a kid job ;) |
| 21:48.54 | araujo | you will equally would need to learn new stuff and spend whole summer working in the project |
| 21:48.59 | araujo | like any other project |
| 21:49.27 | Trademark | araujo, i know that, but it's a long time i want to code a programm to help kids or teenager who have difficulty at school |
| 21:49.33 | Trademark | and principaly in math |
| 21:49.51 | kblin | evening folks |
| 21:49.54 | micahcowan | "Tux of Math Command" is part of tux4kids. Dunno if they have project ideas for that though. |
| 21:50.06 | araujo | So my best recommendation is not to start choosing by difficulty level but for your interest area |
| 21:50.22 | araujo | Trademark, there you get it then :) |
| 21:50.26 | Trademark | araujo, okay, i'll be aware of that |
| 21:51.30 | araujo | Also, your mentor would be willing to help in the learning curve, and even GSoC has some time of "researching/learning" too |
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| 21:52.27 | araujo | So you have time to learn extra details/knowledge you need, the tools you need to use (if you don't know how to use them yet), read project docs/guides/API ..... |
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| 21:53.44 | araujo | so don't feel intimidated if you see LOT of information going on in a project (most of them can get very scary) , just focus on your interest and motivation and follow your mentor advices and be open to learn new cool stuff on the way :] |
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| 21:54.07 | Trademark | thx for your advices, it's really good to hear that |
| 21:55.02 | dockside | indeed! |
| 21:55.06 | KingRobot | Hey, I am applying for a federal job, and they want a phone number to contact to verify that I did work for GSoC last summer.... Does anyone know who I would have them call? |
| 21:55.20 | dockside | read some backlog and gained alot from it, thanks! |
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| 21:56.29 | Ivanovic | KingRobot: mail leslie and/or ellen asking what to do best |
| 21:56.46 | Ivanovic | though if you worked in summer of code you have *not* worked for google |
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| 21:58.16 | KingRobot | I know. I am told that it would be considered self employment/contracting, but they still want a contact at the business I contracted to -> Google Inc. |
| 21:58.45 | Trademark | good night guys, bb |
| 21:58.58 | araujo | yeah, leslie would be th eperson to talk about this, I am sure she would be willing to help you there |
| 21:59.46 | araujo | KingRobot, I think she has mentioned that kind of "contact" information before in the mailing list, you should check |
| 22:00.03 | Ivanovic | you should talk to leslie about this, though my understanding so far was that you are basically a contractor of the project you work for |
| 22:00.18 | Ivanovic | and google "just" providing the money for this |
| 22:01.09 | micahcowan | Technically, and legally, you're a contractor with Google. |
| 22:01.09 | araujo | yeah, but Google (afaik) still can provide some proof that you actually worked like this with them ... better contact leslie , she could tell you better what Google can do for you there |
| 22:01.43 | Ivanovic | like i said, contact lh, she knows the details about what to do |
| 22:01.44 | KingRobot | Ivanovic: Again, I understand this. In the case of self-employment, they want a verification from the business you got your money from. |
| 22:02.01 | araujo | KingRobot, you are applying for a new job? |
| 22:02.05 | KingRobot | Yes |
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| 22:02.43 | KingRobot | Form SF-85P if you are familiar with the clearances. :-S |
| 22:02.52 | araujo | heh, not really |
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| 22:03.14 | araujo | But, Google can help you to show proof that you worked as student in a specific Google summer of code |
| 22:03.18 | araujo | the person is leslie yes |
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| 22:09.41 | KingRobot | What about Cat Allman? |
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| 22:11.30 | danderson | contact lh. |
| 22:11.56 | danderson | Cat may also be able to help, but lh is the fer de lance of GSoC |
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| 22:13.16 | ArthurLiu | I believe that as usual, this is not going to be a tasse de thé |
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| 22:35.06 | TheUni | anyone around for a little help with the application? |
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| 22:35.32 | Ivanovic | not unless you ask specific questions |
| 22:35.56 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 22:38.39 | TheUni | heh |
| 22:38.53 | TheUni | it's just a little vague as to what part of it will be public information, and what is just for the application |
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| 22:39.10 | TheUni | so i'm not sure where to be verbose, and where to just get the point across |
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| 22:40.47 | ThomasWaldmann | TheUni: mouseover sometimes tells, the help also has some info |
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| 22:54.34 | mak89k | hello, does any one know.. how many orgnisations are already working towards gsoc 2010 ..? |
| 22:54.53 | mlankhorst | !timeline |
| 22:54.53 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 22:55.40 | scorche | mak89k: "lots" ;) |
| 22:55.55 | mlankhorst | none at all, move along people nothing to see here |
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| 22:56.12 | mak89k | well not the official list. i know it comes on 18th... i wanna know the most probable ones :P |
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| 22:56.26 | mlankhorst | look at last year's list then.. |
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| 22:56.40 | scorche | you said "how many"....not "which" ;) |
| 22:57.03 | mak89k | scorche::P |
| 22:57.07 | scorche | waves at mlankhorst |
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| 22:59.21 | Ivanovic | if you want numbers regarding how many orgs want to be accepted in this years Summer of Code? |
| 22:59.22 | mlankhorst | waves back |
| 22:59.29 | Ivanovic | the number is easy: |
| 22:59.31 | Ivanovic | n |
| 22:59.40 | Ivanovic | that is n being out of "many" |
| 22:59.42 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 23:00.07 | mlankhorst | n element of natural numbers |
| 23:01.41 | araujo | points mak89k that Gentoo is applying this year again |
| 23:01.56 | Dark_Shikari | -funroll-all-loops |
| 23:02.04 | scorche | lots of groups are likely applying again ;) |
| 23:02.23 | Ivanovic | mlankhorst: not exactly |
| 23:02.35 | Ivanovic | many exclused some smaller natural numbers like eg 10 or 100 |
| 23:02.37 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 23:02.56 | araujo | mak89k, so feel free to take a look at our project, even if we don't make it, who knows, you might find something interesting there that you would like to cooperate with |
| 23:02.57 | araujo | ;) |
| 23:03.35 | mak89k | araujo: awesome!! i am going thru the wiki now.. |
| 23:03.40 | araujo | :] |
| 23:04.46 | mak89k | araujo: does gentoo deal with kernel level programming or coding?.. i am very much interested in tht.. :) |
| 23:05.33 | araujo | mak89k, I am not much into it myself, but we do have some kernel-related hacking, check the Fastboot idea in the project page for example |
| 23:05.44 | stephanbueckner1 | if i'm no more a studend can i join the soc? |
| 23:05.55 | araujo | you need to be a student stephanbueckner1 |
| 23:06.27 | Ivanovic | you can not participate as student, stephanbueckner1 |
| 23:06.32 | d1b | what's with the stupid bot. |
| 23:06.34 | Ivanovic | but of course you can be project admin or mentor |
| 23:07.23 | d1b | it would be nicer to get the info the join message |
| 23:07.31 | d1b | in * |
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| 23:07.53 | stephanbueckner1 | i understand |
| 23:07.54 | Raim | which info from which bot? |
| 23:08.02 | scorche | d1b: eh? |
| 23:08.25 | stephanbueckner1 | everything |
| 23:08.48 | d1b | scorche: when you join this room a bot comes up and goes OI FIRST TIME TO THIS ROOM HEREIZ INFO (if apparently it is your first time) |
| 23:09.00 | d1b | i haven't tested it - but i assume that is the case. |
| 23:09.00 | scorche | d1b: and? |
| 23:09.20 | d1b | why isn't the information just in the join channel message ? |
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| 23:09.37 | scorche | because that message often times gets lots in the server/debug window in many clients |
| 23:09.52 | scorche | you only get it upon your first join...relax, it isnt a big deal... |
| 23:09.56 | d1b | 'lost' ? |
| 23:10.03 | scorche | errr...yes, sorry |
| 23:10.04 | d1b | scorche: well i was just asking :P |
| 23:10.51 | d1b | it is normal behaviour - just wondering why this channel thought it was special enough :P |
| 23:12.04 | scorche | "special enough"?...it isnt like we are spamming unnecessarily... |
| 23:12.39 | d1b | doesn't matter ^^. if the info isn't in the channel join message and i join again - i won't get the info (more to the join). |
| 23:13.00 | d1b | and it isn't in the messsage by the looks of it .. |
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| 23:14.00 | scorche | those links are available all over the place... |
| 23:14.10 | scorche | topic, etc |
| 23:15.15 | d1b | k nevermind - was join to ask if any of the previously sun now oracle projects have applied. |
| 23:15.31 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.06 | scorche | generally, Google will not go over who has applied and who hasnt applied...if you are really curious, then those orgs themselves would be the best place to ask |
| 23:16.20 | d1b | ok. |
| 23:16.23 | ihalip | good night everyone |
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| 23:18.03 | synic | scorche: how did you get ops in here? |
| 23:18.12 | synic | don't they know who you are?!?! |
| 23:18.15 | scorche | synic: oh hai |
| 23:18.26 | scorche | i have had ops for what...3 years now? ;) |
| 23:18.34 | synic | hah, well then |
| 23:18.47 | scorche | are you planning on doing the GSoC thing this year? |
| 23:18.55 | scorche | tierra did last year =) |
| 23:19.08 | synic | yeah, there's a guy that wants to add some stuff to exaile, so we applied |
| 23:19.19 | tierra | synic: I said the exact same thing when I came in here last year |
| 23:19.36 | tierra | heh |
| 23:19.36 | scorche | synic: neat...well, good luck then =) |
| 23:19.43 | smtms | what's the terrible truth about this scorche guy? :-) |
| 23:20.03 | synic | nothin, he's pretty awesome |
| 23:20.15 | synic | (I'm only saying that 'cause of ops) |
| 23:20.20 | scorche | pshaw |
| 23:20.20 | synic | (not really) |
| 23:20.22 | tierra | I hope our org's admin from past years is taking care of the submission again this week... |
| 23:20.32 | scorche | tierra: you should probably find out ;) |
| 23:20.38 | tierra | probably |
| 23:20.47 | scorche | is working on Rockbox's application right now actually |
| 23:20.57 | danderson | tierra: don't hope! Ask, poke, beg, remind, scream, throw things |
| 23:20.59 | danderson | but act |
| 23:21.00 | tierra | I think he's on it... he brought up GSoC on the mailing lists last week |
| 23:21.26 | tierra | (on our org's mailing lists) |
| 23:22.00 | tierra | sounds like we already have a few interested students... |
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| 23:27.15 | [mharrison] | Anyone know how Google sponsorship for GSoC projects works? If it can be any branch of Google, or just MtV |
| 23:27.35 | danderson | you don't go to work at the google offices. |
| 23:27.42 | danderson | you work from wherever you are. |
| 23:27.57 | scorche | [mharrison]: are you referring to the projects that Google mentors? |
| 23:27.59 | danderson | and you work for the open source org. Google just happens to be paying |
| 23:28.20 | [mharrison] | danderson, sorry, I meant what scorche said. I've done GSoC 3 different years |
| 23:28.34 | danderson | oh. |
| 23:28.59 | danderson | I would imagine that it would work similarly to any other org |
| 23:29.20 | [mharrison] | goes to see what they mentored last year |
| 23:29.43 | [mharrison] | Oh that listing is down apparently |
| 23:29.55 | danderson | wheee. |
| 23:30.12 | [mharrison] | No it's not, it just...loads bizarrely |
| 23:30.29 | danderson | also note that we don't yet know which projects google might offer up this year (or if we even participate - it's pretty much dependent on having willing mentors) |
| 23:31.35 | d1b | so google summer of code, is really only applicable to the northern hemispher right? |
| 23:31.53 | d1b | because here (australia) we are now back at uni... |
| 23:32.00 | ojwb | d1b: no, though it fits less well with student terms in at least some southern hemisphere countries |
| 23:32.09 | [mharrison] | And apparently they only mentor academic research projects with a university sponsor. Huh. |
| 23:32.24 | d1b | ojwb: i meant the 'summer' part :P |
| 23:32.24 | [mharrison] | I ask because I had proposed the idea of working with Google Boston |
| 23:32.28 | ojwb | but it also collides somewhat with some northern hemisphere countries |
| 23:32.33 | scorche | many southern hemisphere students have had great success with GSoC |
| 23:32.39 | ojwb | d1b: well, I did suggest "season of code" |
| 23:32.57 | danderson | [mharrison]: I would guess that stuff like Chrome etc. would apply separate from the Google org (which is a little special), but we'll see about that when the org list is published |
| 23:32.58 | d1b | ojwb: almost like 'seasons greetings' |
| 23:33.04 | danderson | [mharrison]: doing what though? |
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| 23:33.33 | danderson | because working at a Google office strongly suggests you might want to apply for an internship/job rather than GSoC :) |
| 23:34.12 | [mharrison] | danderson, working with their image search team - I'm planning on applying there, but I'm taking summer classes |
| 23:34.22 | ojwb | the "google org" is really more like "none of the above" than "working with google" |
| 23:34.29 | [mharrison] | Yeah |
| 23:34.30 | danderson | [mharrison]: yeah, that's no-go with GSoC. |
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| 23:34.44 | danderson | the main keyword for GSoC is open source |
| 23:34.56 | danderson | and image search isn't very much of that :) |
| 23:35.09 | danderson | what you're looking for is an internship or job, definitely. |
| 23:35.13 | scorche | indeed |
| 23:35.24 | [mharrison] | heh, yeah, I guess that's important. I mean, the project I've been designing would be, but not their stuff of course |
| 23:36.03 | danderson | if you have a research project, the Google org might be a good fit, but yeah, we don't mentor "independent" projects ourselves |
| 23:36.17 | danderson | (research project with someone willing to mentor that is) |
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| 23:37.14 | [mharrison] | Yeah so I'll just hope they hire me in September and find another way to feed myself this summer |
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| 23:38.25 | ojwb | [mharrison]: you could propose your idea to an image-related org which is accepted |
| 23:38.54 | ojwb | or a language-related umbrella org |
| 23:39.10 | rohananil1 | [mharrison]: there is a KDE project on face detection for the photo management program? - you could apply for it |
| 23:39.19 | [mharrison] | Aye, I'm curious to see which orgs are accepted |
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| 23:40.14 | rohananil1 | and you could add recognition also on top of it |
| 23:41.24 | [mharrison] | rohananil1, I'm not interested in image recognition so much as I am tagging and search |
| 23:42.10 | tomh- | is there a 2010 projects list yet? |
| 23:42.25 | rohananil1 | alright :) |
| 23:42.58 | scorche | !timeline |
| 23:42.58 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 23:43.00 | scorche | tomh-: ^^ |
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| 23:45.08 | tomh- | oh thanks :) |
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| 23:49.40 | tomh- | interesting, ill probably check back later then |
| 23:49.55 | tomh- | time to sleep -.- |
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