| 00:00.03 | Jeff_S | carols: great! if you don't mind sharing your email I have something I'd like to send you |
| 00:01.00 | Jeff_S | carols: or lh could forward it if she's still around... |
| 00:05.00 | duckinator | Does anyone happen to know if there are smaller operating systems (ie, ones that have only been around a few years, as opposed to something more complex like Linux or any of the BSDs) being worked on this year in GSoC? |
| 00:05.23 | carols | Jeff_S: sure, its carols@google.com |
| 00:06.07 | MatthewWilkes | hail carols |
| 00:06.32 | carols | MatthewWilkes: hey :-) nice to virtually meet you |
| 00:07.15 | vptr | what's all the buzz about? :D |
| 00:07.18 | ojwb | duckinator: orgs haven't applied or been selected yet, so it's hard to say |
| 00:07.34 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Enjoy the (relative) calm, this channel won't be so chilled again for months |
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| 00:08.09 | Jeff_S | carols: thanks, sent :) |
| 00:08.15 | ojwb | duckinator: it's likely most orgs from last year will reapply and be accepted |
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| 00:08.22 | vptr | duckinator: you may want to look at haiku os, but i don't know if they are planning to participate this year :) |
| 00:08.34 | duckinator | ojwb: ah, i'm just curious, i cant even seem to find info on whether GSoC is all in-person, all-online, or somewhere in between ._. been poking around http://socghop.appspot.com/ for a while now |
| 00:08.46 | lh | duckinator: tis in the faq, hang on |
| 00:08.53 | carols | MatthewWilkes: thank you. i have heard such things from LH. GSoC is the event of the year, so I believe people will be bbuzzing about it Real Soon Now |
| 00:08.53 | ojwb | duckinator: all online for most people |
| 00:09.03 | carols | Jeff_S: thanks! |
| 00:09.09 | ojwb | welcomes carols too |
| 00:09.27 | duckinator | vptr: heard about haiku before, part of what inspired me to start an os myself :) (and that gradually climbed up to 5 oses, with one being a miserable failure) |
| 00:09.35 | carols | ojwb: thank you. :-) |
| 00:09.44 | lh | duckinator: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#development_where |
| 00:10.08 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Absolutely. As soon as the org application process starts I'll be in a state of terror for weeks :) |
| 00:10.22 | duckinator | lh: ah, thanks :) |
| 00:10.35 | lh | duckinator: no problem, enjoy your tasty faqs |
| 00:10.46 | lh | mmm, faqs. taste like chicken. or seitan for our vegan friends. |
| 00:11.38 | duckinator | Also, is there an age limit for this? Or is that up to the orgs? |
| 00:11.45 | MatthewWilkes | lh: From @ErikRose on twitter the other day: faquetlyâas specified in an FAQ. âI performed the installation faquetly; I donât know what went wrong!â |
| 00:11.56 | ojwb | duckinator: >=18 |
| 00:12.13 | ojwb | again, that's in the faq |
| 00:12.25 | lh | duckinator: go show the faq some love. :) |
| 00:12.25 | carols | MatthewWilkes: i totally believe it. especially if my state of mind the last few weeks is any indication and i'm just getting started with the program :-) |
| 00:12.34 | lh | MatthewWilkes: i love it! |
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| 00:12.57 | duckinator | damnit :( "18 years of age or older by April 26, 2010"... 4 days before i turn 18! |
| 00:13.13 | ojwb | duckinator: quick age faster! |
| 00:13.19 | duckinator | haha |
| 00:13.27 | ojwb | bad luck though |
| 00:13.29 | MatthewWilkes | Try using windows, that'll add a few years on |
| 00:14.45 | lh | duckinator: have you seen GNUGeneration? it's for under 18s but there's no moolah, only FSF swag love |
| 00:16.17 | vptr | duckinator: fake your bday :D |
| 00:16.31 | duckinator | vptr: i think they'll frown on that a bit :P |
| 00:17.10 | lh | duckinator: yes, yes they will. plus it sucks. |
| 00:17.16 | lh | keep your karma clean people. |
| 00:17.31 | vptr | :) |
| 00:20.25 | MatthewWilkes | Indeed. "Don't be a dick" (excuse my french) works well as a policy. Today I posted a link to my cellphone number on slashdot. Not a single prank call ;) |
| 00:21.23 | lh | points at the awesome wisdom of MatthewWilkes |
| 00:21.27 | duckinator | MatthewWilkes: watch, because you said that you'll have a horrendous phone bill :) |
| 00:21.48 | MatthewWilkes | duckinator: How would it affect my bill? |
| 00:22.03 | lh | he's a duck, he knows all about bills |
| 00:22.07 | lh | ducks, no pun intended |
| 00:22.07 | vptr | you phone will be hacked :D |
| 00:22.10 | MatthewWilkes | ba-dum, tish! |
| 00:22.10 | vptr | *your |
| 00:22.16 | duckinator | MatthewWilkes: well, i guess if you have unlimitted minutes it wouldn't :P |
| 00:22.21 | duckinator | lh: well aren't you punny? ;) |
| 00:22.30 | MatthewWilkes | duckinator: I live in europe, we don't pay to receive calls |
| 00:22.38 | duckinator | lucky bastard D: |
| 00:23.21 | MatthewWilkes | (Incidentally, for you /. readers, the story about the UK police illegally retaining DNA samples was me) |
| 00:23.32 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: isn't that "excuse my german"? |
| 00:23.48 | MatthewWilkes | grumbles further about west midlands police |
| 00:25.06 | ojwb | is having to resist prank calling you now... |
| 00:25.38 | ojwb | mostly idleness is winning, as I'd have to go and find the comment |
| 00:25.42 | MatthewWilkes | There's always one ;) |
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| 00:26.03 | Landon | MatthewWilkes: read your bio a little too quick |
| 00:26.14 | Landon | I don't know many people that would readily admit to being an alcoholic! |
| 00:26.32 | lh | MatthewWilkes: holy moley. link please? |
| 00:27.27 | ojwb | lh: worse, the prime minister seems to be defending it |
| 00:27.35 | lh | this sounds teh suck |
| 00:27.40 | MatthewWilkes | lh: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/03/01/2333221/UK-Police-Promise-Not-To-Retain-DNA-Data-But-Do-Anyway |
| 00:28.02 | lh | reads |
| 00:28.30 | carols | MatthewWilkes: that's a bit of a scary article. |
| 00:28.47 | MatthewWilkes | hehehe |
| 00:28.55 | MatthewWilkes | Whoever that was, well done. |
| 00:29.30 | Landon | forgets if skype attaches profile number to texts or if it does UNAVAILABLE |
| 00:30.58 | MatthewWilkes | lh, carols: But, yeah. It's less than pleasant. I don't like being lied to. |
| 00:31.23 | lh | Landon: ??? |
| 00:31.43 | lh | MatthewWilkes: it's worse than just being lied too. wtf. torchwood, where are you when we need you. |
| 00:31.49 | ojwb | this is the article about Brown defending it: http://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/guy-aitchison/giving-innocent-people-back-their-dna-helps-rapists-says-gordon-brown |
| 00:31.56 | lh | at least your dna could be kept on file by people with cool toys |
| 00:32.00 | Landon | lh: let the record also state that I'd be a completely incompetent criminal. I took MatthewWilkes up on his challenge |
| 00:32.13 | lh | now there's an article title that's provocative |
| 00:32.27 | ojwb | Landon: careful, they'll be tapping his phone by now |
| 00:32.45 | Landon | I should start pgp encrypting my sms messages |
| 00:32.51 | lh | honestly, this makes me ill. MatthewWilkes I am sorry you are in this situation. |
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| 00:33.29 | ojwb | yes, it's not pleasant |
| 00:33.30 | MatthewWilkes | lh: These things happen. It's my responsibility to make a big deal out of it, I reckon. Otherwise it will just keep happening. |
| 00:33.49 | MatthewWilkes | The thing that still gets me most about the whole thing is they decided the death was accidentally self inflicted |
| 00:34.24 | ojwb | it sounds like quite an accident |
| 00:34.36 | MatthewWilkes | This frail old man accidentally fell *upwards* onto a 2 foot metal skewer, going between his shoulder blades and out of his stomach, then bundled himself into a cupboard and piled stuff up outside the door |
| 00:34.50 | carols | wow |
| 00:34.51 | lh | MatthewWilkes: good on you. :) |
| 00:35.06 | lh | that's talent. real talent. |
| 00:35.14 | makmanalp | MatthewWilkes: why does the UK strike me more and more as the most big brotherish state of recent times? |
| 00:35.59 | Catfish_Man | makmanalp: because it is |
| 00:36.01 | makmanalp | MatthewWilkes: you'd think they'd learn after tons of incidents of bad publicity, especially after that deal where they tried to get fingerprints off of school children without their parents' consent |
| 00:36.36 | ojwb | it was the setting for 1984 after all |
| 00:36.55 | makmanalp | well, you'd think that'd be all the more reason to be conscious about all this |
| 00:37.16 | MatthewWilkes | makmanalp: Indeed, that was a nasty one. Hopefully this will be one of those examples people bring out as evidence against the scheme. |
| 00:38.47 | makmanalp | MatthewWilkes: hopefully. do you guys have an equivalent of the ACLU and such? a bunch of loud paranoid lawyers to keep the government in check? |
| 00:38.59 | makmanalp | (not a bad thing) |
| 00:40.00 | MatthewWilkes | No, but Jack of Kent (legal blogger, writes a few newspaper columns) follows me on twitter and he's asked me to keep him up to date with their next response |
| 00:40.04 | MatthewWilkes | He can get shouty at times |
| 00:40.54 | makmanalp | heh :) |
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| 00:50.25 | ojwb | can't help thinking the death sounds like a Jonathan Creek episode |
| 00:50.51 | lh | i have another facebook makes me cry question if anyone has the inclination to assist. |
| 00:52.06 | Landon | I'm intrigued |
| 00:52.11 | Landon | goodness knows I spend enough time on facebook |
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| 01:05.30 | lh | oh yeah that |
| 01:05.31 | lh | sorry |
| 01:05.47 | lh | so i have ping.fm set up to auto update identi.ca and twitter @gsoc accounts |
| 01:06.08 | lh | it is also set up (lies!) to update the facebook fan page at the same time. it does not. i manually copy and paste updates and this is a pain in my rear. |
| 01:06.33 | lh | i have carefully followed the instructions from ping.fm and given it permission as an application to access the fan page. |
| 01:06.44 | lh | i am sure i have done something wrong, but what that is i just cannot determine. |
| 01:07.04 | lh | and my other FB question, why do all my female friends put up pics with their SOs when all my male friends do not? discuss. |
| 01:07.54 | Landon | too many technologies, I have no idea for the first Q. My friend is always complaining about facebook changing up their API, so that might be part of the problem if ping.fm isn't 100% on top of it |
| 01:08.03 | ChipX86 | the former, I don't know but I've had some odd issues with pages on facebook before, with information going missing and changes not saving. I may have just hit it at weird times, but maybe it's related |
| 01:08.15 | ChipX86 | the latter, if you find out, please let me know, because my friends list is the same way |
| 01:08.18 | ChipX86 | also, hi :) |
| 01:08.48 | Landon | #2, looking on fb chat this seems to hold. sample size of 1 person that actually has an SO though :P |
| 01:09.31 | Landon | also, the SoC 2010 logo is double plus good |
| 01:09.35 | lh | ChipX86: noted on both. i may bug dukeleto when i see him. he helped with my last ping.fm blues question |
| 01:09.45 | lh | Landon: thank nightrose for that. i had no clue. |
| 01:10.24 | Landon | Nightrose: super awesome double plus good SoC logo! |
| 01:10.37 | tierra | I just hit up 8 of my male friends' profiles that are in a relationship... 4 of them have a pic including their S.O. ... |
| 01:11.18 | tierra | the other 4 have some pic either showing off some fancy get up, or don't even have a pic of themselves set, heh |
| 01:11.23 | ojwb | lh; btw, the second column's font here is much smaller than last year, to the extent that I find it a bit hard to read http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/timeline |
| 01:11.56 | lh | ojwb: noted, would you please send me an email so i can correct it? |
| 01:12.03 | lh | has to get on outta here and get to a dinner appt |
| 01:12.09 | ojwb | sure |
| 01:12.09 | lh | night (happy time zone) all! |
| 01:12.14 | lh | ojwb: thank you |
| 01:12.17 | ojwb | enjoy dinner |
| 01:13.25 | carols | i'm going to get out of here soon too. it was great to meet all of you |
| 01:13.39 | carols | ttys |
| 01:13.50 | carols | waves bye bye |
| 01:15.10 | ojwb | wonders if the 0s and 1s in the logo contain a secret message |
| 01:15.38 | Landon | probably says BARBIE |
| 01:15.44 | Landon | :P |
| 01:18.22 | Landon | although you have me curious now |
| 01:19.11 | Landon | I spy an F in there |
| 01:20.04 | Landon | hm, might have to wait for an SVG logo to pop up or something |
| 01:20.15 | Landon | found a DE on the top right |
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| 04:37.48 | bguy | hi |
| 04:37.53 | bguy | what is this channel about? |
| 04:38.04 | Catfish_Man | points at the topic |
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| 04:41.54 | goose | I assume this is the closest to an official channel that google has? |
| 04:42.28 | Catfish_Man | for summer of code, yes |
| 04:42.38 | Catfish_Man | for google business in general, it's really pretty useless |
| 04:42.39 | Catfish_Man | intentionally |
| 04:43.05 | goose | meh :p I don't have any official business, just wanna lurk in a google-related channel |
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| 08:28.07 | touchaddict | does android apply to the GSoC? |
| 08:30.24 | robbyoconnor | touchaddict: why not wait and see like the rest of us :P |
| 08:31.19 | marcheu | X.Org will apply if you like low-level stuff :) |
| 08:33.36 | cbx | touchaddict, waddup |
| 08:33.40 | cbx | irc from HP labs? |
| 08:33.41 | cbx | :P |
| 08:34.37 | touchaddict | cbx: :D yeah |
| 08:36.26 | ojwb | touchaddict: you'd have to ask the android developers to get a useful answer |
| 08:37.47 | cbx | touchaddict, lets make a google docs for mentors to fill up if they're considering gsoc. That way we have a database before gsoc starts rather than once its done. |
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| 08:38.47 | ojwb | cbx: you'll have a list once the list of accepted orgs is announced |
| 08:38.58 | ojwb | march 18th |
| 08:41.08 | touchaddict | cbx: I don't know if I'd really apply this time. Though we can work on the document, what's the plan? |
| 08:42.01 | touchaddict | but what's the point in doing that doc. everyone knows whos applying, we just have to wait for the orgs' results. |
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| 08:48.06 | robbyoconnor | http://is.gd/9Axat |
| 08:49.11 | touchaddict | robbyoconnor: whoa! neat and quick.. |
| 08:49.58 | touchaddict | although: if we post this on channel, anyone can fill it up, which might be a problem. |
| 08:50.50 | ojwb | either you keep it secret and nobody fills it in, or you tell people and anyone can fill it in |
| 08:51.17 | touchaddict | yup |
| 08:52.53 | robbyoconnor | I'll post the list soon |
| 08:53.16 | marcheu | neat, I'll add X.Org I guess :) |
| 08:53.29 | robbyoconnor | already an idiot did it |
| 08:53.34 | robbyoconnor | eyes the smart ass who put MS |
| 08:53.45 | marcheu | damn :) |
| 08:55.06 | robbyoconnor | google docs forms: quick, easy, and to the point |
| 08:55.24 | Sylvestre | Could you send also the URL of the results ? |
| 08:55.30 | Sylvestre | (I just fill your form) |
| 08:57.22 | robbyoconnor | sure |
| 08:57.33 | ojwb | robbyoconnor: could be genuine - i just read someone speculating they might buy novell for suse |
| 08:57.34 | Sylvestre | thx |
| 08:58.03 | robbyoconnor | Results: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=t-XzUSGaMoJIM9lPmCMVezA&output=html |
| 08:58.44 | robbyoconnor | er http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AldXhTCPNJoYdC1YelVTR2FNb0pJTTlsUG1DTVZlekE&hl=en |
| 08:59.24 | robbyoconnor | UHM... WOW |
| 08:59.30 | touchaddict | robbyoconnor: maybe you can also add a field for the form filler's IRCnick |
| 08:59.33 | robbyoconnor | this is working out just as i fgiured :) |
| 08:59.49 | robbyoconnor | dupes galore lol |
| 09:00.58 | Sylvestre | You should update the form and ask to provide the name of the submitter and also the URL to the list of projects |
| 09:01.53 | robbyoconnor | yeh i just dont care that much -- i know what org i want :) |
| 09:02.35 | touchaddict | we all do ;-) but maybe your form can help a lot other people |
| 09:02.36 | ojwb | also age, shoe size, and complete genome |
| 09:04.15 | robbyoconnor | done |
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| 09:04.56 | robbyoconnor | reload the form |
| 09:04.57 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 09:05.23 | robbyoconnor | http://is.gd/9Axat |
| 09:05.29 | robbyoconnor | im off to bed for 2hrs |
| 09:05.29 | Sylvestre | Could you remove Scilab ? I will resubmit again |
| 09:05.30 | touchaddict | very cool now! let's spread it ;-D |
| 09:05.30 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 09:05.35 | robbyoconnor | already did |
| 09:05.43 | ojwb | 2 hrs? |
| 09:05.45 | robbyoconnor | shot off a msg on the discussion list (mentors follow that) |
| 09:05.46 | ojwb | lazybones |
| 09:06.00 | robbyoconnor | ojwb: lazy bones? I got up @ 2something pm :) |
| 09:06.01 | touchaddict | I'll shoot that to Android guys |
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| 09:06.29 | robbyoconnor | well you can ask them, if they say yes, then you can add them i suppose but ideally org admins should fill this out |
| 09:07.37 | Sylvestre | robbyoconnor, BTW, the column E will be URLs, it would be nice if you could make them clickable |
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| 09:08.54 | robbyoconnor | is there an option in gogole docs? |
| 09:10.07 | Nightrose | robbyoconnor: http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2010/Ideas for KDE |
| 09:10.08 | Nightrose | thanks :) |
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| 09:10.20 | Nightrose | and my irc nick if you want |
| 09:11.42 | Sylvestre | robbyoconnor, sorry, I though it was possible :/ |
| 09:11.50 | marcheu | how do you edit that form? |
| 09:11.58 | robbyoconnor | I edit the spreadsheet |
| 09:12.21 | marcheu | right, will enter the information online then |
| 09:12.41 | robbyoconnor | you enter it via the form |
| 09:12.54 | marcheu | done |
| 09:12.56 | marcheu | thanks |
| 09:13.39 | marcheu | also you can kill the old xorg now |
| 09:13.46 | robbyoconnor | i did |
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| 09:13.57 | robbyoconnor | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.04 | Nightrose | thanks :) |
| 09:14.22 | robbyoconnor | make damn sure you know these orgs are planning to apply and not just stipulating otherwise this list is useless :P |
| 09:14.42 | Csubi | hey |
| 09:15.06 | Csubi | Anyone knows about some ideas for c#? |
| 09:15.44 | robbyoconnor | Mono. |
| 09:16.18 | Grunt_ | also Sharpdevelop |
| 09:16.38 | Grunt_ | though, i'm not sure what language it's written in :) |
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| 09:17.09 | Csubi | sharpdevelop sounds more interesting |
| 09:17.28 | Csubi | Do you know if we have the possiblity to submit our own ideas? |
| 09:17.37 | Csubi | Or can only choose from the mentoring ornagizations offers? |
| 09:18.20 | Grunt_ | you can submit your own idea, though you need to talk to the mentoring org to add it on their list, and make sure it's something they also would like to see |
| 09:18.29 | Grunt_ | see done. |
| 09:18.59 | Grunt_ | most orgs actually encourage students to come up with interesting ideas, though that is more difficult |
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| 09:23.38 | Csubi | I see |
| 09:23.44 | Csubi | And do you have to be a student? |
| 09:23.52 | Csubi | Or anyone can participate? |
| 09:24.03 | Csubi | I'm currently a student, but I have a passive semester |
| 09:24.17 | Grunt_ | the eligibility requirements are in the faq |
| 09:24.20 | Grunt_ | !faq |
| 09:24.20 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 09:25.29 | Csubi | I need a bit help with this :) |
| 09:25.43 | Csubi | Enrolled means actively enrolled, or just student of a school? |
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| 09:26.46 | Grunt_ | well, what do you mean by passive semester? |
| 09:27.09 | Csubi | I'm not actively enrolled :) |
| 09:27.15 | Csubi | I do not have classes this semester |
| 09:27.22 | Csubi | "suspended" |
| 09:28.15 | Grunt_ | i can't say for sure, you're best off asking on the google group |
| 09:28.34 | Csubi | thanks |
| 09:30.02 | Grunt_ | you're welcome |
| 09:30.11 | robbyoconnor | Csubi: search the mailing list |
| 09:30.16 | robbyoconnor | the FAQ |
| 09:30.35 | robbyoconnor | your question has been asked and answered 20x over :) |
| 09:33.22 | Csubi | really? |
| 09:33.23 | Csubi | where? :) |
| 09:34.15 | robbyoconnor | recent threads! |
| 09:34.41 | robbyoconnor | http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss |
| 09:34.49 | robbyoconnor | look at recent threads |
| 09:35.17 | robbyoconnor | Csubi: why did you take a semester off? So long as you can register by the date they list -- you'll be fine. |
| 09:35.31 | robbyoconnor | if you can't register by that date, then you're screwed :P |
| 09:39.12 | Csubi | robbyoconnor: I don't fully understand you. |
| 09:39.20 | Csubi | I am a student of a college |
| 09:39.25 | robbyoconnor | yes |
| 09:39.32 | robbyoconnor | but you must be ENROLLED as in registered for classes |
| 09:39.46 | Csubi | aha |
| 09:39.57 | Csubi | So, if next semester starts in Sept, then I'm not eligable? |
| 09:40.32 | Sylvestre | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.58 | araujo | Csubi, did you take previous semester? |
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| 09:41.15 | robbyoconnor | Csubi: register by april whatever and you're fine |
| 09:41.19 | robbyoconnor | if you don't sorry you're SOL |
| 09:41.30 | araujo | robbyoconnor, not really |
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| 09:41.56 | Csubi | we will see :) |
| 09:42.00 | Csubi | thanks for the help guys |
| 09:42.01 | araujo | previous year , students taking a semester off could participate as long as they proved they took previous semester and they will take next semester |
| 09:42.23 | robbyoconnor | huh? |
| 09:42.24 | Csubi | hehe, this is my second semester off in a row |
| 09:42.31 | Csubi | next will be actively enrolled |
| 09:42.42 | Csubi | but that can be proved only in sept |
| 09:43.24 | Csubi | lunch time |
| 09:43.25 | Csubi | see ya |
| 09:44.18 | araujo | Csubi, that is still something that you need to communicate beforehand to GSoC admins though ... and they will tell you if it is fine or not |
| 09:44.42 | araujo | but it has happened previous years with the condition I just mentioned |
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| 09:57.01 | nils^ | Hi people. I've read through all the docs and faqs for 2010 and I think I got everything but I wanted to make sure that I have understand everything, so maybe you can just say yes or no to this: |
| 10:00.10 | nils^ | My software, GNU Denemo (http://www.denemo.org) wants to take part as project. We are only three people. Our main-developer is going to apply as Administrator and the only Mentor and I am a student so I want to apply as student. I read its legal that the student already participates in the project before the Summer of Code. As mentoring organisatzion we will just state "Denemo Project". We're not a legal entity but it should work out. |
| 10:00.19 | nils^ | Is this all correct and according to the rules? |
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| 10:05.53 | araujo | nils^, yes, it is legal |
| 10:07.49 | nils^ | araujo: good to know. I don't want to cheat or make things intransparent |
| 10:08.44 | araujo | nils^, well, as long as your mentor/admin follows the rules for the organization projects and equally consider each student that apply, everything is fine :) |
| 10:08.51 | thiago | if you're part of GNU, shouldn't you apply with GNU & FSF? |
| 10:09.06 | thiago | you'll have a higher chance of getting through |
| 10:09.55 | araujo | well, is that software an official GNU project? .... |
| 10:10.13 | nils^ | it is official GNU |
| 10:10.15 | araujo | i see it is |
| 10:10.30 | Ivanovic | if it is official gnu you should try to get in under the umbrella of GNU |
| 10:10.30 | nils^ | but doesn't that mean GNU will decide what the ideas are? |
| 10:10.38 | araujo | then you need to talk to the GNU project, and make it part of the GNU organization nils^ |
| 10:10.40 | Ivanovic | this does increase your chance of being accepted |
| 10:10.50 | araujo | or decrease, it depends :] |
| 10:10.57 | araujo | (for the student i mean) |
| 10:11.19 | Ivanovic | increase i'd say since if the project is not in at all, the student has zero chance to be accepted |
| 10:11.32 | nils^ | :) |
| 10:11.32 | Ivanovic | and for a really small project it is less likely to be accepted |
| 10:11.33 | araujo | nils^, your project admin just list the ideas for the Denemo project, and send them to the GNU GSoC admin group |
| 10:12.05 | araujo | they have a mailing list I think |
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| 10:12.24 | nils^ | Ivanovic: Denemos importance does not lie in its widespread use like Firefox but in its cultural weight |
| 10:12.25 | Ivanovic | and smaller projects are often told that they are not in but should talk to the umbrellas that cover that area anyway |
| 10:12.42 | Ivanovic | IIRC eg amarok was told to participate under the umbrella of kde |
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| 10:12.51 | Ivanovic | though it is *not* an official kde project itself |
| 10:13.06 | araujo | Getting Denemo under GNU , will definitely get the project "ideas" inside the GSoC , evidently, many more students will apply for it too |
| 10:13.09 | tsudot | ajuonline, hey |
| 10:13.18 | tsudot | mentoring for sahana? |
| 10:13.20 | nils^ | araujo: ok, we'll do it. |
| 10:13.23 | araujo | and usually projects like GNU really has a long list of ideas and applications |
| 10:13.59 | nils^ | I hope you google people are into music and notation :) |
| 10:14.58 | araujo | nils^, your Denemo admin/developer should also become a GSoC mentor for the GNU project too |
| 10:15.34 | araujo | it is not required but evidently will increase the chances to get a Denemo idea on the ship ;) |
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| 10:51.32 | Nightrose | Ivanovic: amarok kinda is an official kde project |
| 10:51.37 | Nightrose | (depending on who you talk to) |
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| 11:24.18 | Ivanovic | Nightrose: yes, it depends |
| 11:24.56 | ojwb | it's interesting reading the org list actually |
| 11:24.59 | Ivanovic | Nightrose: but last year for such an "not 100% sure" project which is more distant to kde than an official GNU project is to gnu it was said that it should participate as kde project |
| 11:25.14 | Nightrose | Ivanovic: i know ;-) |
| 11:25.17 | ojwb | quite a few seem like they could naturally be under a related umbrella |
| 11:25.20 | Nightrose | i'm part of the amarok team |
| 11:25.29 | Nightrose | and i actually think it is the right decision |
| 11:25.56 | ojwb | Nightrose: you were a KDE admin last year weren't you? |
| 11:26.03 | Nightrose | yes |
| 11:26.04 | ojwb | or am I misremembering |
| 11:26.05 | Ivanovic | at least wesnoth fits under no existing umbrella... |
| 11:26.06 | Nightrose | this year again |
| 11:26.07 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 11:26.17 | ojwb | Nightrose: well, if you get accepted... |
| 11:26.26 | Nightrose | heh right |
| 11:26.27 | Ivanovic | kde is almost guranteed to get accepted |
| 11:26.40 | ojwb | yes, i'd be surprised if they weren't |
| 11:27.11 | Nightrose | well being too sure makes lazy... |
| 11:27.37 | Nightrose | i try to avoid that ;-) |
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| 16:51.29 | dottymind | hello, where chose projects? I newbie in gsoc =) |
| 16:55.16 | kblin | check out the FAQ then |
| 16:55.18 | kblin | !faq |
| 16:55.18 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 16:56.42 | dottymind | !faq |
| 16:56.42 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
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| 17:04.11 | _Samo | hi guys |
| 17:04.19 | _Samo | I do have a question |
| 17:04.44 | _Samo | do mentors get any money for their work? |
| 17:05.05 | codestasher | 500$ per project |
| 17:06.35 | _Samo | ok thanks for the information |
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| 17:08.50 | MatthewWilkes | _Samo: The mentoring organisation gets 500$ per project, that may or may not be passed on to mentors |
| 17:09.44 | MatthewWilkes | _Samo: I'd ask your org admin if you want to know for your specific project |
| 17:09.47 | alwaysGam3 | chia, wazzup ? |
| 17:10.06 | _Samo | ok well that's a different scenario then |
| 17:10.26 | _Samo | I'm an org administrator |
| 17:10.47 | MatthewWilkes | ah. For example, in Plone the money goes to the foundation, mentoring is a volunteer activity |
| 17:11.24 | _Samo | ok |
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| 21:38.33 | casinaroyale | I think that orgs while listing projects must also list the priority of the project. Because in the end, only the most important projects get funded anyway.. |
| 21:38.58 | casinaroyale | LIke scilab did this year |
| 21:40.03 | MatthewWilkes | casinaroyale: It depends on the org. Last year we (plone) only had 1 project that would have happened either way |
| 21:40.17 | MatthewWilkes | most of them will be things that have been on our wishlist for a couple of years but nobody's had time to do |
| 21:40.39 | MatthewWilkes | and we'll judge based on the student. Better to have a good implementation of something minor than a bad version of something important |
| 21:40.46 | harlan | +1 |
| 21:42.05 | thiago_home | agreed |
| 21:42.39 | thiago_home | but also be honest, if you have ideas that if implemented are more likely to get accepted, say so |
| 21:42.53 | thiago_home | (and watch 50% of your applications be that idea) |
| 21:43.05 | thiago_home | better would be if all ideas had equal chance of being accepted |
| 21:43.09 | danderson | as thiago_home says |
| 21:43.12 | thebolt | yea, same for us (crystal space).. we've had projects earlier years which we would really have loved to see implemented, but not any good enough appliction/student.. |
| 21:43.32 | danderson | you should want all your projects to happen |
| 21:43.33 | thebolt | rather a good match student<->task and that we think a student can do a good job for a "less prioritized" task, than a bad match |
| 21:43.51 | danderson | the best way of doing that is having a mentor assigned to each project who is super enthusiastic about that particular project |
| 21:44.17 | thebolt | danderson: works, if you have that many mentors;) |
| 21:44.27 | danderson | the others should evaluate the projects solely on how well the applicant is likely to do on that project |
| 21:44.36 | danderson | not downvote because they prefer other ideas |
| 21:44.52 | thiago_home | talking to students, I've found that the most enthousiastic of them will send more than one application |
| 21:44.57 | danderson | thebolt: the rule of thumb is one mentor one project, remember |
| 21:45.02 | thiago_home | it will usually be 1-2 of what they'd really want to do |
| 21:45.06 | thebolt | danderson: yes, for accepted ideas |
| 21:45.15 | thiago_home | and 1-2 of ideas in the project page |
| 21:45.26 | thebolt | danderson: but so far we've always had maybe 2-3 times as many ideas as we have slots/projects done (and mentors) |
| 21:45.36 | danderson | thebolt: right. So by assigning the same mentor to multiple prospective ideas, you're already pre-screwing yourself |
| 21:45.47 | thebolt | danderson: we don't preassign at all |
| 21:45.52 | danderson | ah |
| 21:45.56 | danderson | hmmkay |
| 21:45.59 | thebolt | danderson: and all decision about what projects to accept have been collective |
| 21:46.03 | MatthewWilkes | Indeed. Generally we get a good range of mentors about twice the size of our expected allocation then assign them to the projects we intend to accept to get the best fit |
| 21:46.05 | danderson | well in that case, maybe assign priority ordering |
| 21:46.14 | danderson | or at least throw into "omg awesome" and "nice to have" categories |
| 21:46.16 | thebolt | ie all mentors do their own evaluation, then we get together in a common meeting and do the final selection |
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| 21:46.48 | danderson | then again, I remind that we (google) don't have any say in how orgs run their selection process |
| 21:46.53 | danderson | whatever works for you is great |
| 21:46.54 | thebolt | but i think it is a matter of scale.. we're a small project, just 4-6 mentors (And as many projects, don't remember for last year as i wasn't officially a mentor that year) |
| 21:47.42 | thebolt | what works for us might not work for someone having twenty.. or hundred projects :) |
| 21:50.11 | casinaroyale | danderson, As you said, atleast in the initial stage an enthusiastic guy as a point of contact for the project would be really helpful |
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| 21:50.36 | MatthewWilkes | Actually, if anyone wants to help test this stage of things (i.e. mentors managing student projects) they should apply to be a mentor to one of the test orgs at http://melange-dev.appspot.com/ - testers are very much desired |
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| 21:56.51 | *** topic/#gsoc is Google Summer of Code 2010 is On! - 8 March: Mentoring Organizations Applications Open - Timeline: http://bit.ly/adul79 - Read the FAQs: http://bit.ly/9q41Ey - Consider Hosting a GSoC Info Session: http://bit.ly/amIwdd - We need flyer and presentations translations, videos too! |
| 21:56.57 | MatthewWilkes | casinaroyale: Talk to them! Say the proposal looks awesome but we can't find any mentors qualified to assist |
| 21:57.18 | MatthewWilkes | They might have other ideas, or they might be ok with, for example, two comentors who provide part of the skillset each |
| 21:57.24 | casinaroyale | MatthewWilkes, I am talking from a student point of view |
| 21:57.43 | MatthewWilkes | casinaroyale: Then tell the org to follow my advice ;) |
| 21:57.51 | casinaroyale | I have seen the mentors did that. But its still bad from our side |
| 21:57.56 | casinaroyale | :D |
| 21:58.19 | MatthewWilkes | The fact is, there are loads of orgs and mentors involved. Some WILL make mistakes. |
| 21:58.23 | schumaml | um... and it wasn't possible to know about this beofrehand? |
| 21:58.27 | MatthewWilkes | Every year I realise how much I screwed up the previous year |
| 21:58.50 | MatthewWilkes | In many ways it's as much a learning process for us as you |
| 21:59.14 | schumaml | we got plenty of "$proposal, do I have any chance of getting accepted" queries the past years |
| 21:59.31 | casinaroyale | schumaml, apparently not |
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| 22:00.58 | schumaml | some orgs tend to be scared by google's threats about announcing the results too soon ;) |
| 22:01.23 | MatthewWilkes | That's true, it can be difficult |
| 22:01.49 | MatthewWilkes | 2 years ago I had somebody asking me that wasn't going to get a place until I got allocated another one in duplicate resolution |
| 22:02.09 | MatthewWilkes | he did really well and is now properly integrated into the community, met him at the conference last year |
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| 22:03.56 | casinaroyale | Let me tell you my story. I gave a good proposal, last year. Gave some patches, etc.. before the application. It was a small team, so knew nearly half of them. Lost it because there were only few slots and it was filled by previous devs. |
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| 22:05.22 | schumaml | and did you ask them if you had any chance of getting accepted? |
| 22:05.47 | casinaroyale | Yes, obviously. |
| 22:06.15 | schumaml | and what did they tell you? |
| 22:06.19 | casinaroyale | Even if they knew so, they wouldnt tell it, because number of slots is proportional to the applications |
| 22:06.43 | casinaroyale | I have nothing agains that org. Even my mentor was sorry to loose me. So, I finished the project proposed as a hobby. :D |
| 22:07.03 | ojwb | casinaroyale: it's only partly proportional |
| 22:07.06 | MatthewWilkes | casinaroyale: You finished your proposal as a hobby? |
| 22:07.11 | ojwb | there are many other factors |
| 22:07.43 | MatthewWilkes | casinaroyale: Does lh know this? She's been challenging people to do this for years, afaik nobody's stepped up |
| 22:07.46 | casinaroyale | MatthewWilkes, I mean did the project. But no money :( |
| 22:07.48 | schumaml | the orgs specify the number of slots they're asking for initially |
| 22:08.26 | ojwb | casinaroyale: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 22:08.37 | thiago_home | MatthewWilkes: KDE has done that twice, with more than 1 student at a time |
| 22:08.49 | thiago_home | we assign mentors and treat the students equally |
| 22:09.11 | casinaroyale | schumaml, That does not in anyway ensure how many slots they are going to get |
| 22:09.23 | casinaroyale | MatthewWilkes, Check http://blog.umitproject.org/2009/11/umit-soc-2009-results.html |
| 22:09.27 | MatthewWilkes | thiago_home: Awesome. |
| 22:10.20 | Erant | casinaroyale: Another thing you could try is an internship, if you're interested in that kind of thing. |
| 22:10.28 | MatthewWilkes | casinaroyale: Cool, is one of those you? |
| 22:10.51 | casinaroyale | MatthewWilkes, yes, the first one :D |
| 22:11.49 | MatthewWilkes | casinaroyale: Ah, right "Kasina"! |
| 22:12.35 | casinaroyale | Erant, Thats a different story altogether. And you dont get to work on good open source projects there. |
| 22:12.45 | MatthewWilkes | (I have to admit, your nick got parsed as female, so was quite confused when I saw a list of male names) |
| 22:13.01 | casinaroyale | MatthewWilkes, what client do you use? |
| 22:13.13 | casinaroyale | Curious, what did it parse lh as? |
| 22:13.49 | MatthewWilkes | casinaroyale: I'm talking about my brain :) |
| 22:14.02 | casinaroyale | MatthewWilkes, ahh :P |
| 22:14.03 | MatthewWilkes | But, my brain parses "Leslie" as a male name, ftr |
| 22:14.28 | thiago_home | for me it came as female, but I do know a few male Leslie |
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| 22:14.41 | thiago_home | (Leslie Nilsen comes to mind) |
| 22:14.44 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: it is the male version, at least in the UK |
| 22:14.56 | ojwb | Lesley is the female version |
| 22:15.00 | ojwb | not sure about US usage |
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| 22:15.20 | ojwb | thinks he asked her once, but can't remember |
| 22:15.27 | Erant | casinaroyale: Right, but it does teach you some important stuff. Doesn't hurt your job chances either ;) |
| 22:15.47 | Erant | And if you play your cards right, you get to spend the entire summer abroad. |
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| 22:16.22 | casinaroyale | Erant, I already have a good job offer from amazon. So, that doesnt matter to me ;) |
| 22:16.23 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: I was surprised to find out "Ashley" is a female name in the US. It's very strongly male to my ears |
| 22:17.16 | Erant | casinaroyale: Aight, fair enough. Just wanted to say I don't regret my choice to forego GSoC and go for an internship. |
| 22:17.27 | ojwb | intesting: http://www.gpeters.com/names/baby-names.php?name=Leslie |
| 22:17.59 | casinaroyale | Erant, Are you applying this year? |
| 22:18.03 | ojwb | and 2.6 times more likely for Ashley to be a girl |
| 22:18.37 | thiago_home | there was an Ashleigh in the olympics |
| 22:18.39 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: I've never met a female Ashley. I know a few males ones and haven't heard them getting any stick for their name |
| 22:19.00 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: in the UK, I'd agree it's very dominantly male |
| 22:19.12 | Erant | casinaroyale: No, I'm still doing some stuff for GSoC, mostly security for the Melange backend, but then I'm moving to California to go work for the company I did the internship with :P |
| 22:19.20 | ojwb | i've heard of the odd famous female one I think |
| 22:19.57 | MatthewWilkes | The only famous Ashley I can think of is Ashley Cole, but that may be clouded by recent news |
| 22:20.22 | ojwb | i don't think I'd heard of hit before |
| 22:20.29 | casinaroyale | Erant, So you planning to mentor this year? |
| 22:20.31 | ojwb | and I still have little idea |
| 22:20.51 | Erant | casinaroyale: I'm moving to Cali around about the time that GSoC is, so I have 0 time. |
| 22:21.16 | Erant | Or at least, going to be very busy with my visum. |
| 22:21.17 | casinaroyale | Erant, ohh... too bad |
| 22:22.11 | casinaroyale | You said you have foregone GSoC right. So, what are you working on? |
| 22:24.17 | Erant | Bits and pieces, the Wii, I'm currently working on a fairly new class of attacks on embedded systems, RAM attacks. (See: http://www.lostscrews.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=13 ) |
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| 22:26.13 | casinaroyale | Ohh.. I am not so much into embedded stuff :) |
| 22:26.58 | Erant | It's a hobby gone horribly wrong for me ;P |
| 22:27.06 | MatthewWilkes | Erant: Those boards look like pure sex. Good job. |
| 22:28.17 | Erant | MatthewWilkes: Thanks. I've had precious little time the past three weeks, but I'm trying to iron out one last little bug with eCos :/ USB transfers die after like a few ten thousand transactions. |
| 22:30.21 | MatthewWilkes | Erant: I've got a project that's on hold until I have some wasting money, but I'm considering building an android device into a lightswitch socket |
| 22:30.56 | Erant | MatthewWilkes: Damn. Any particular proc you have in mind? |
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| 22:31.39 | MatthewWilkes | Erant: I've heard rumblings that you can get android booting on a gumstix overo |
| 22:32.25 | MatthewWilkes | Nice and simple to set up, decent bit of grunt so it shouldn't die too much |
| 22:32.32 | MatthewWilkes | Don't want my lightswitch hanging :) |
| 22:32.58 | Erant | OMAP based, decent. |
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| 22:33.41 | Erant | Yeah, shouldn't have too many issues getting it to boot on that. |
| 22:33.53 | ryuzaki | Hi at all |
| 22:34.10 | MatthewWilkes | Erant: I haven't looked into it much, but somebody's done it before and has posted some patches. Doubt it'd be too difficult |
| 22:34.14 | ryuzaki | can i make a question? |
| 22:34.22 | Erant | I'd hate to be the guy designing that board. Bet it's like 6 layers. |
| 22:34.45 | casinaroyale | ryuzaki, sure, go ahead |
| 22:34.59 | ryuzaki | casinaroyale thanks |
| 22:35.00 | ryuzaki | so |
| 22:35.05 | ryuzaki | my name's Valerio |
| 22:35.09 | ryuzaki | i'm italian |
| 22:35.11 | MatthewWilkes | Erant: Andy has stuff in there for proximity sensing, so I'd probably have some sort of gestures on that sensor to control the light. Would be difficult using the device without flickering the lights, though. |
| 22:35.25 | ryuzaki | excuse me for my english |
| 22:35.39 | casinaroyale | ryuzaki, Its ok. Ask your question |
| 22:35.57 | ryuzaki | this year i would like to partecipate at gsoc |
| 22:36.12 | ryuzaki | but i haven't any real programming experience |
| 22:36.27 | ryuzaki | I have never participated in a project |
| 22:36.51 | Erant | What do you mean by 'real programming experience'? |
| 22:37.02 | Erant | Do you know any language? |
| 22:37.14 | ryuzaki | i mean work in any company, or in a group |
| 22:37.16 | ryuzaki | yes |
| 22:37.21 | ryuzaki | i know some language |
| 22:37.25 | ryuzaki | but i love |
| 22:37.26 | ryuzaki | python |
| 22:37.55 | ryuzaki | i can try to challenge? |
| 22:38.02 | ryuzaki | i would learn, so much |
| 22:38.06 | Erant | Ok, well, if you're comfortable writing in python, then you're good. |
| 22:39.08 | ryuzaki | Erant: i wrote code only in my room, alone. i never partecipated to a group, or work in a company. now that i'm moving in a big city i desire so hardly learn and more more more |
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| 22:39.21 | Erant | Yeah, go write a proposal 'n stuff. Mind, most projects will be in English. |
| 22:40.07 | ryuzaki | that is not a problem |
| 22:40.24 | Erant | Well, you can learn. As long as you have social skills and don't mind to listen and learn. |
| 22:40.27 | ryuzaki | i understand english, but when i speak make sucks |
| 22:41.04 | casinaroyale | So, go on and start looking for applying orgs and their ideas. Dont wait :D |
| 22:41.57 | ryuzaki | ok, thanks guys, all tell me that i don't learn, but computer science is my life, their don't understand |
| 22:42.06 | vptr | can somenoe give me a hint :) how many students applied last year, and how many were accepted? are there stats anywhere? |
| 22:43.16 | casinaroyale | vptr, http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/04/student-applications-for-google-summer.html |
| 22:44.23 | ojwb | and I believe 1000 were accepted |
| 22:45.17 | ryuzaki | i need the link of page where are listed all projects |
| 22:45.40 | vptr | 0.29 acceptance ratio :)) |
| 22:45.40 | ojwb | though there are a significant number of rather poor applications from applicants who don't communicate with you otherwise (even if explicitly prodded), so if you can write a decent application and talk to your org, your chances are much better than 1 in 3.5 |
| 22:46.00 | ojwb | by "with you" I mean "with the org they've applied to" |
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| 22:47.41 | ojwb | there are also a few which applications which are just a verbatim copy of an idea from the org's list |
| 22:47.44 | ryuzaki | how work google summer of code? if i have a project with who i can talk? or i can join in a existing project? |
| 22:48.28 | ojwb | ryuzaki: you need to work with an existing organisation which is in gsoc this year |
| 22:48.39 | ojwb | but you can suggest your own idea to them |
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| 22:48.58 | ojwb | it obviously needs to be in their area, and probably related to their existing software |
| 22:50.26 | ryuzaki | my ideas are very stupid then existing project |
| 22:50.57 | ryuzaki | where i can find the page with all organizations project? in python is it's possible.. |
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| 22:52.07 | casinaroyale | ryuzaki, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents |
| 22:52.13 | thiago_home | ryuzaki: you can find last year's organisation list |
| 22:52.31 | [Evan] | I've got a question like ryuzaki's. Do any orgs have a reputation for accepting new, inexperienced programmers? |
| 22:53.10 | ryuzaki | Evan: good question. i've experience only in my room |
| 22:54.04 | ojwb | [Evan]: what orgs are looking for before anything else is "success" - so it's the project + student + mentor combination which they are looking for |
| 22:54.10 | ojwb | or the astute ones anyway |
| 22:55.06 | ojwb | so pick project ideas which you are within your reach, and which your past experience is a good fit for |
| 22:55.36 | ojwb | e.g. if you play an instrument, music-related projects are probably a good direction |
| 22:56.14 | ojwb | the reality is that most students aren't experienced programmers, and orgs are fairly realistic about that |
| 22:57.02 | ryuzaki | excuse me for my stupid question, but at moment i've problem with ISP and the navigation is slow. for join in a project what i do? |
| 22:57.22 | marcheu | also you have 1 month before the end of the deadline, so you can get involved in an OSS project by submitting patches for the upcoming month |
| 22:57.37 | ojwb | ryuzaki: different open source projects work in different ways, so look at their website and see |
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| 22:57.52 | ojwb | IRC or mailing lists are the most common ways to communicate |
| 22:58.32 | ryuzaki | in the link above ther aren't list of project. how come? |
| 22:59.12 | Catfish_Man | ryuzaki: the list isn't done yet. Students can't apply yet |
| 23:00.42 | vptr | yeah.. can't wait for that list to show up |
| 23:01.16 | Erant | owjb: What's the average age of a participant? |
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| 23:03.52 | ryuzaki | Catfish_Man, vptr: so where i can see the proposal of project? |
| 23:04.08 | Catfish_Man | ryuzaki: some organizations may still have their list of ideas up from last year |
| 23:04.12 | Catfish_Man | other than that you'll have to wait |
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| 23:07.34 | ryuzaki | Catfish_Man: so i have to look ideas from last year? |
| 23:07.43 | Catfish_Man | until the ones for this year are posted, yes |
| 23:08.54 | ryuzaki | ok, thanks. when the term of subscriptions finish? |
| 23:09.07 | ryuzaki | p.s. but what's the average age of partecipant? |
| 23:09.46 | Catfish_Man | ryuzaki: there is a link to the timeline in the channel topic |
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| 23:10.44 | Erant | I'm going to hazard a guess and say around 21? |
| 23:11.21 | Erant | There's some decent 21 year old programmers out there, I think. |
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| 23:13.39 | ryuzaki | i hope that i can learn so much |
| 23:14.16 | ryuzaki | i had the unfortune that in my little city i don't have internet, books, or other. i've discover programming too late. :( |
| 23:14.32 | StickleBricks | i hope to learn a lot too. i'm just nervous about actually being able to go through the whole thing and complete it |
| 23:15.04 | vptr | what if one is unable to finish the project by the due date? |
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| 23:16.06 | holger | ryuzaki: if you have a specific org in mind that you know participated in last year, just talk to them. |
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| 23:16.34 | holger | videolan and x264 have their project ideas already up, for example. of course, to be linked by the gsoc main page, they need to be accepted again |
| 23:17.07 | holger | vptr: depends on the org, but usually they're going to fail you. unless you're almost there and they're confident you'll finish |
| 23:18.06 | ojwb | Erant: I don't know about the average age |
| 23:18.30 | ojwb | there's a breakdown by undergrad/postgrad/etc somewhere |
| 23:18.37 | Erant | ryuzaki: How old are you, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 23:18.50 | ojwb | I'd guess low twenties is the average |
| 23:19.01 | ojwb | but that is just a guess |
| 23:19.06 | ryuzaki | Erant: i'm 22 years old |
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| 23:19.29 | Erant | ryuzaki: When did you go to university then? |
| 23:19.48 | ryuzaki | holger: i don't have any org in mind. that is the problem. btw, i'm very nervous |
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| 23:20.29 | ryuzaki | i go this year. i've finished the first semester and start with second. i've lost 2 years for personal problem |
| 23:20.41 | Erant | Fair enough. |
| 23:21.00 | holger | there's lots of time left. wait till the orgs are accepted, check their project ideas, _get_in_contact_with_them_ discussing your ideas and _then_ write a good proposal |
| 23:21.40 | Erant | Don't worry, you'll be fine. Just enjoy the experience, have fun. That's what it's all about. |
| 23:22.05 | holger | gsoc is loads of fun, but you need to devote your time. (<- two times student in 07 and 08, mentor in 09) |
| 23:22.19 | ryuzaki | holger: i don't know how all work. at the moment i'm on this page http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 23:22.37 | Erant | Not 2009 anymore though. |
| 23:22.46 | vptr | holger: by failing you mean it will be just a waste of time for a student? |
| 23:23.06 | Erant | ryuzaki: You at all familiar with security? |
| 23:23.14 | vptr | and effort... :) |
| 23:23.28 | ryuzaki | Erant: all tell me that i've a good intelligence, but i'm very nervous. i have not work in a project, i'm very insecure. this is my problem, but i desire to learn every day. i love computer science, it's my life |
| 23:24.11 | vptr | ryuzaki: i bet everyone in here loves computer science :) |
| 23:24.19 | holger | ryuzaki: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/timeline |
| 23:24.26 | holger | not much you can do before march 18 |
| 23:24.27 | Erant | ryuzaki: Right. I had this irrational fear of not being good enough before I left for my last internship in California. Fears quickly evaporated once I started. |
| 23:24.30 | ryuzaki | Erant: so i wait for new orgs? btw, i love security too |
| 23:24.37 | holger | unless you already know who you'd like to be with |
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| 23:26.09 | Erant | ryuzaki: Yeah, wait for new orgs. You could work on Melange. Melange is the backend that you're using to browse the GSoC site right now. It's written entirely in Python, and it needs a thorough security evaluation. I've been doing that on-and-off, mostly to piss SRabbelier off, but I don't have the time to fully dedicate myself to it. |
| 23:26.11 | ryuzaki | holger: so i wait 18 march |
| 23:26.15 | holger | vptr: you're expected to provide milestones in your proposal. and you're expected to deliver them. unless you reschedule with your mentor. that's about it. you'll get to keep the experience, but you'll not get the money. |
| 23:26.22 | SRabbelier | Erant: durrdedurr? |
| 23:26.28 | SRabbelier | Erant: oh, right |
| 23:26.36 | Erant | ohai ;p |
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| 23:28.45 | Erant | SRabbelier: Speaking of security, can you change the description in http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=699 to something more general? It's not just GHOP that's affected. |
| 23:28.59 | ryuzaki | holger: i've some ideas, but are stupid. they don't look it. Erant: you start too time ago at programming? in this place i guess that all start very young. me feel very old |
| 23:29.02 | MatthewWilkes | evenin' Sverre |
| 23:29.09 | Erant | (For proof-of-concept, see your pizza proposal) |
| 23:29.48 | SRabbelier | Erant: ack |
| 23:29.55 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: sup! |
| 23:30.32 | holger | ryuzaki: do it like i did. i actually read every single projects ideas page. four or five seemed interesting, but i really only got in contact with one org each year. expect some small qualification task that you need to complete before they consider you. |
| 23:30.34 | Erant | ryuzaki: I started seriously coding when I was 16 I think. I'm 23 now. So I've had some practice, but that all comes with time. Just try and do projects in your free time, and again, have fun. |
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| 23:31.18 | SRabbelier | Erant: linky? :P |
| 23:31.25 | SRabbelier | Erant: I don't keep track of all them pizza's |
| 23:31.32 | holger | (reading through all the stuff is going to take a couple hours. but it's time well spent if you don't really know what to do yet) |
| 23:31.38 | Erant | ryuzaki: I've always been interested in both hardware and software, so my attention is usually divided between the two. I've never been very interested in 'classic' software engineering. |
| 23:31.53 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Don't keep track of pizzas? You monster! |
| 23:32.02 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: oi, I ju8st nomz them |
| 23:32.07 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: in fact, I just had pizza ^^ |
| 23:32.18 | MatthewWilkes | I had pie. It's british pie week, after all. |
| 23:32.31 | Erant | SRabbelier: http://melange-dev.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/review/melange/gsoc2010/alturin/t126728054398 |
| 23:32.43 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: very well, carry on then |
| 23:33.23 | SRabbelier | anyway |
| 23:33.25 | SRabbelier | time for bed! |
| 23:33.29 | Erant | Pfrt. |
| 23:34.17 | SRabbelier | ttyl |
| 23:34.19 | ryuzaki | holger: i follow your advice. i wait until 18th march and looking for project. |
| 23:35.29 | holger | and if you find something interesting, make yourself visible to the org. talk to them. it's all about communication. they need to get to know you. a proposal without prior communication has to be _really_ good to be considered. |
| 23:36.39 | ryuzaki | Erant: i'm 22. i'm very sad that i can't start when i was young. now some people tell me that i'm too old for learn and became a very good computer scientist. but i'm study programming from one year and half. my problem is only that i don't have any work o project experience |
| 23:36.57 | ryuzaki | i program in my room, and learn every day |
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| 23:38.00 | ryuzaki | i'm very nervous when i show my skills because the people can tell me: "leave and find a new passion" |
| 23:38.09 | des_ | ryuzaki: no matter... :) |
| 23:38.35 | holger | well we're all oss people here. there's got to be a program you like where a feature is missing or which you'd like to run faster. improve it, submit your patch, that's how you get into the whole thing. programming on your own is never going to get you anywhere anymore. |
| 23:40.14 | rbuels | there are a lot of people sitting in here. |
| 23:40.27 | ryuzaki | holger: i know that, in fact i'm here for this reason. as i said, i moved to Pisa 5 months ago. before, i'm in a hole without internet, company, books or other. hard moment of my life |
| 23:40.28 | rbuels | is this mostly students, or mostly orgs? |
| 23:40.46 | ryuzaki | but the point is: |
| 23:40.53 | des_ | ryuzaki: maybe it's too much deep to say but never give up, if you like doing it, and of course if you get fun |
| 23:41.13 | straydawg | ryuzaki: 22 too old is nonsense |
| 23:41.38 | ryuzaki | i don't know what kind of potential i've because i'm insecure and i don't make the most of my real potential |
| 23:41.41 | ojwb | rbuels: at this point, I suspect there are more mentors and org admins here |
| 23:41.43 | holger | or if you find a bug, try to not only report it, but provide the fix. everyone starts small. |
| 23:41.48 | ojwb | that'll change in the next few weeks |
| 23:42.19 | ojwb | probably quite a few hangers on who were involved in the past and haven't worked out the command to leave an IRC channel yet |
| 23:42.20 | des_ | huhu ojwb i'm a would-be student instead :P |
| 23:42.32 | Erant | holger: Aww. But I love just throwing crap at SRabbelier and Lennie. :P |
| 23:42.46 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb, des_; Technically, we're would-be orgs |
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| 23:43.09 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: well, I actually meant past-mentors and past-org admins |
| 23:43.16 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
| 23:43.18 | ojwb | but yes |
| 23:43.26 | ryuzaki | thanks at all guys. it's an honor for me speak with us |
| 23:43.30 | rbuels | well i'm looking for a few good people. i'm probably going to be the org admin for the open bioinformatics foundation |
| 23:43.32 | Erant | MatthewWilkes: Which org again, I forget :P |
| 23:43.35 | MatthewWilkes | There's no guarantee of a spot just because you've had one before. |
| 23:43.39 | MatthewWilkes | Erant: Plone Foundation |
| 23:43.47 | rbuels | so any bioinformatics people in here, take note :-) |
| 23:44.35 | ojwb | isn't currently sure if we're going to apply this year (SWIG that is) |
| 23:44.37 | Erant | MatthewWilkes: Ah right. Worthy cause. Not my thing though. |
| 23:45.05 | ojwb | not a lot of response to my prod for potential mentors, but it was only couple of days ago |
| 23:45.26 | MatthewWilkes | Erant: It's not something many people join without reason. I think most of us came for a job, stayed for the community |
| 23:45.28 | ojwb | and I think it took a while to get responses last year, and that was very successful |
| 23:46.39 | holger | well. i'm back to lurking mode. good luck to all potential students. |
| 23:46.53 | MatthewWilkes | Erant: The plone community has a reputation in the wider Python world for excessive alcohol and drug use. Quite amusing, actually. |
| 23:47.01 | des_ | Thanks holger. |
| 23:47.22 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: are you just saying that to try to appeal to students? |
| 23:47.35 | rbuels | ojwb: this is my first gsoc year, somebody said that the probability of an org getting accepted was proportional to the number of students applying for it? |
| 23:47.56 | ojwb | rbuels: not at all |
| 23:48.03 | ryuzaki | thanks holger. and thank for the patience |
| 23:48.09 | ojwb | for accepted orgs, the slot allocation is partly based on that |
| 23:48.20 | rbuels | that part makes sense |
| 23:48.21 | ojwb | but the google people take many other factors into account |
| 23:48.21 | rbuels | nods |
| 23:48.22 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: hehe |
| 23:49.18 | ojwb | in particular, orgs which require a "qualification task" (e.g. produce a patch) won't get penalised for the reduced number of applications they'll get |
| 23:50.31 | ojwb | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations has some more info |
| 23:50.39 | MatthewWilkes | AFAIK, An org's chances of being accepted are down to the OSPO team's view of 1) how good their proposal is 2) how they did in previous years (if they participated) 3) Evidence of commitment to the success of SoC in general 4) Personal experience with the project |
| 23:51.16 | ojwb | and if you apply and aren't accepted, leslie is happy to provide honest feedback on your application |
| 23:51.21 | ojwb | or has been in the past |
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| 23:53.15 | des_ | time for bed now... |
| 23:53.35 | des_ | goodbye |
| 23:53.56 | ryuzaki | anyone know some project in python for make a proposal? |
| 23:54.24 | des_ | ryuzaki: i though MatthewWilkes's plone... |
| 23:54.45 | MatthewWilkes | Indeed, we're a content management system written in Python |
| 23:55.32 | ryuzaki | MatthewWikes: i know |
| 23:56.55 | Erant | MatthewWilkes: I've heard the alcohol and drug use thing for security engineers too. |
| 23:57.00 | ryuzaki | you're one of the developer? |
| 23:57.06 | ojwb | misread that as "a competent management system" |
| 23:58.01 | MatthewWilkes | ryuzaki: Yes. I'm on the framework team (the committee that decides if feature branches get merged) and am the organisation admin for Summer of Code |