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| 05:22.51 | kar2905_ | Hello |
| 05:23.11 | kar2905_ | waves "hello" |
| 05:24.54 | kar2905 | I am a second year engineering student. I am interested in GSOC. I need some help |
| 05:25.09 | Dark_Shikari | don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 05:25.54 | kar2905 | ok. What kind of prerequisite knowledge is required for GSOC ? |
| 05:27.29 | kar2905 | I am basically interested in web development, so wanted to know what will be Google be looking for ? |
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| 05:27.58 | thebolt | it is not google that looks for anything, it is the mentoring organizations that do |
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| 05:28.23 | kar2905 | ok |
| 05:29.04 | Dark_Shikari | and most open source work isn't web development |
| 05:29.07 | Dark_Shikari | it's building real applications |
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| 05:29.27 | Catfish_Man | haha bias showing there much? ;) |
| 05:29.30 | Catfish_Man | (I agree) |
| 05:29.37 | Dark_Shikari | Catfish_Man: HTML isn't programming |
| 05:29.38 | thebolt | well.. last years they have been a number of "web projects" ;) (but yes, I agree also .P) |
| 05:29.38 | Dark_Shikari | ;) |
| 05:30.01 | thebolt | definitely, but php etc can be.. |
| 05:30.10 | kar2905 | ok.. But like builidng modules for a cms |
| 05:30.45 | Dark_Shikari | thebolt: don't remind me of php. |
| 05:30.59 | thebolt | Dark_Shikari: sorry :P |
| 05:31.15 | thebolt | not my cup of tea either ;) |
| 05:31.20 | Catfish_Man | mmm tea |
| 05:32.13 | kar2905 | So, what should I do ito get prepared for GSOC ? |
| 05:32.26 | Catfish_Man | the best thing to do is get involved with an open source project |
| 05:32.32 | Catfish_Man | that way you get experience, and they get to know you |
| 05:32.44 | Dark_Shikari | start contributing _before_ GSOC so that you get familiar with things |
| 05:32.54 | Dark_Shikari | and you can better decide whether you want to apply to that project |
| 05:32.57 | Dark_Shikari | it could even be tiny things |
| 05:33.03 | Dark_Shikari | but just to get familiar with the process and the people |
| 05:33.30 | kar2905 | ok. thanks |
| 05:33.51 | kar2905 | I have developed two open source modules for Drupal CMS |
| 05:35.11 | kar2905 | and how do I get familiar with people involved in open source ? |
| 05:35.54 | Dark_Shikari | Drop by their IRC. |
| 05:36.08 | kar2905 | ok |
| 05:40.56 | lianj | hi, iam no student but about same age. can i still participate in gsoc? been thinking about that last year too and plan to pay study fees this year, but those are to high here. so are there options for non-students to apply? |
| 05:45.18 | thebolt | no |
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| 05:49.41 | lianj | hmm thats sad. really liked the mentor part |
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| 07:04.59 | ojwb | lianj: many open source projects would be happy to provide the mentoring outside of gsoc |
| 07:05.15 | ojwb | but you wouldn't be eligible for the stipend from google |
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| 08:05.52 | lianj | ojwb: thanks. iam into a couple of projects and didnt think of stipend. still got curious about the experience these students, same age, get by participating on gsoc. |
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| 08:06.13 | lianj | :) guess i take your suggestion and keep my eye on gosc by following its foss |
| 08:07.09 | Dark_Shikari | many projects will happily give you a GSOC-like experience without the stipend |
| 08:07.15 | Dark_Shikari | as long as you're willing to do GSOC-like work |
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| 12:09.01 | brainstew | hello |
| 12:11.11 | brainstew | The FAQ question in http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#not_attending is not very clear for me. |
| 12:11.38 | brainstew | I have just graduated from CS and have been aceppted into a master program that just starts in September. |
| 12:11.52 | brainstew | The only document I currently hold is the letter of acceptance. |
| 12:11.59 | brainstew | Am I eligible for gsoc? |
| 12:13.01 | danderson | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#student_eligibility |
| 12:13.09 | danderson | "Google defines a student as an individual enrolled in or accepted into an accredited institution including (but not necessarily limited to) colleges, universities, masters programs, PhD programs and undergraduate programs." |
| 12:13.16 | danderson | note "or accepted" |
| 12:13.19 | danderson | and "masters programs" |
| 12:13.25 | ojwb | and the date which matters is the start of coding date |
| 12:14.40 | danderson | brainstew: ^ |
| 12:15.28 | brainstew | Yep. I was just confused because the question I just cited says that I need to show proof of enrollment, so its a bit contradictory with the one you cited, danderson. |
| 12:15.41 | brainstew | So I suppose a letter of aceptance can be regarded as a proof of enrollment. |
| 12:15.46 | danderson | yes. |
| 12:15.58 | ojwb | would think so, if it is on headed paper |
| 12:17.08 | brainstew | ok, thanks! |
| 12:17.14 | danderson | brainstew: the reason for the inconsistency is basically historical |
| 12:17.25 | danderson | SoC started out as "provide proof of enrollment", since that seemed logical |
| 12:17.42 | danderson | then people asked about being accepted, but technically not being enrolled yet |
| 12:18.05 | danderson | so the main eligibility question was changed to include accepted but not yet enrolled |
| 12:18.31 | danderson | you should pretty much rely exclusively on the definition I quoted to know if you're a student or not |
| 12:18.53 | brainstew | yep, I see |
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| 12:19.10 | danderson | so if (is_student_according_to_definition() && now() < cutoff_date) { win(); } |
| 12:19.11 | brainstew | thanks, that clarified a lot |
| 12:19.27 | brainstew | ;) |
| 12:20.01 | skbohra | danderson: nicely clarified :) |
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| 12:44.56 | toemaz | just dropping the message that I'm looking forward to apply MuseScore as GSoC project |
| 12:45.13 | toemaz | MuseScore is a leading open source music notation software |
| 12:45.26 | toemaz | for more info http://musescore.org/node/4588 |
| 12:46.56 | danderson | toemaz: could you add a note somewhere saying that your org hasn't yet been accepted in gsoc 2010? |
| 12:47.09 | danderson | right now, it sounds like you're promising what you don't yet have :) |
| 12:47.14 | toemaz | oops |
| 12:47.16 | toemaz | ok, thx |
| 12:47.32 | danderson | (we don't particularly care, but students might get confused/pissed off) |
| 12:48.10 | danderson | other thoughts: "Further improve the jazz font" doesn't look like a coding task... is it? |
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| 12:48.35 | toemaz | that needs more elboration |
| 12:48.43 | toemaz | it's coding since the corrunt font is hard coded |
| 12:48.46 | danderson | "document the MuseScore code and internal model", same thing, not a coding task (it's summer of *code* - yes, it's a little bit restrictive, but it's what we do) |
| 12:48.49 | danderson | ah, ok |
| 12:49.01 | toemaz | but thx, will change that a little as well |
| 12:49.03 | danderson | the other projects you have all look very good |
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| 12:50.38 | danderson | toemaz: other than that, looks good, I look forward to seeing your org application :) |
| 12:50.46 | toemaz | great! |
| 12:51.24 | toemaz | thx for the feedback |
| 12:51.34 | toemaz | I'm making changes as we speak |
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| 17:54.07 | aramis | hello everyone |
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| 18:02.05 | spectie | hey aramis |
| 18:03.16 | mordante | !faq |
| 18:03.16 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 18:03.16 | aramis | hi |
| 18:03.20 | mordante | aramis, ^ |
| 18:07.59 | lianj | mordante: ..btw http://code.google.com/soc/ the faq link is wrong. its in that state for some hours now. should be easy to fix |
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| 18:08.46 | mordante | ah thanks lianj I only wanted to point aramis to it |
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| 18:10.29 | aramis | yes, it reports error 404 |
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| 18:10.45 | mordante | aramis, last year's faq I guess most information except the dates also apply for this year http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 18:12.52 | aramis | okay, basically, i am searching for people who moderated c/c++ projects |
| 18:13.14 | aramis | i think its time to get in talks with some real people. |
| 18:13.47 | mordante | !orgs |
| 18:13.47 | socinfo | "orgs" is http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 18:15.07 | mordante | aramis, there is a list of orgs accepted last year which their programming languages listed, but can't find it |
| 18:15.38 | mordante | aramis, the list above holds last years accepted orgs, maybe you find something interesting there |
| 18:16.11 | aramis | i already saw a list for c/C++ programs accepted last year, that was of great help, Thank You |
| 18:16.26 | mordante | you're welcome |
| 18:16.42 | aramis | http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/C? i saw this one |
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| 18:18.02 | mordante | that's the one I couldn't find ;-) |
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| 18:53.57 | thebolt | Evening |
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| 19:00.03 | lut4rp | dum dee dum dum |
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| 19:18.10 | Lunixed | While selecting otgs from last years orgs what does google see ? |
| 19:18.16 | Lunixed | orgs * |
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| 19:19.36 | dhaun | Lunixed: what do you mean? |
| 19:19.53 | Lunixed | in 2009 some orgs were selected |
| 19:20.03 | Lunixed | This year some of them will not be there |
| 19:20.27 | Lunixed | so how it is decided not to take a org ? |
| 19:20.59 | dhaun | well, the application period hasn't even started - some may choose not to apply again |
| 19:21.09 | dhaun | other thant that, it's all up to Google |
| 19:21.23 | dhaun | there's a page about org selection criteria somewhere ... |
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| 19:21.56 | Lunixed | ya ya I read... and almost what percentage of last yrs orgs will be selected ? |
| 19:22.00 | Lunixed | any idea ? |
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| 19:22.58 | dhaun | there's no percentage - from what I heard, 150 orgs will be selected again this year |
| 19:23.35 | dhaun | I guess most of those will be returning orgs - but it's impossible to put a number on it |
| 19:24.11 | Lunixed | Hmm . . . while I select an orgs to work with, how do I know that that will be there this time too ? |
| 19:24.27 | Lunixed | or is it people start working once orgs list were announced / |
| 19:24.29 | Lunixed | ? |
| 19:25.11 | dhaun | there's no way to be 100% sure at this point |
| 19:25.44 | Lunixed | is it normal to start preparation once orgs list is anounced ? |
| 19:26.36 | Lunixed | or is it considered late ? |
| 19:26.41 | dhaun | if I were a student, I'd pick 2 or 3 orgs that interest me and start communicating with them, see how I like it there |
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| 19:27.42 | Lunixed | Hmm . . . ok nice. .. and how a student is supposed to learn all those codes in some time considering the burden he has ? |
| 19:27.54 | Lunixed | or is it something that organizations understand ? |
| 19:28.15 | wormangel | taking a look at 2009 orgs (and accepted projects) can help you decide what's interesting to you |
| 19:28.18 | Ivanovic | you learn things the same way every new contributor learns |
| 19:28.27 | Ivanovic | doing something that interests you in your freetime |
| 19:28.33 | Ivanovic | of course asking questions is allowed |
| 19:28.35 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 19:28.39 | Lunixed | Well that I did , Ivanovic :) |
| 19:28.55 | Lunixed | but I want to learn something new like CV / CG in this hols |
| 19:29.00 | Lunixed | I have nt worked on them much |
| 19:29.11 | Lunixed | but I want to learn them fully with a project in hand |
| 19:29.26 | Catfish_Man | what's CV/CG in this context? |
| 19:29.39 | Lunixed | sry , its COmputer Graphics/ computer vision |
| 19:30.07 | Lunixed | mostly work upon openCV and openGL in c++/python |
| 19:30.16 | Catfish_Man | ah ok |
| 19:30.25 | Lunixed | but of course it has to change acc to org's requirement I suppose |
| 19:30.30 | Catfish_Man | I'm used to it meaning CoreVideo/CoreGraphics and was surprised to see a linux person talking about that ;) |
| 19:30.51 | Lunixed | hehe :) |
| 19:31.23 | Ivanovic | Lunixed: trying to learn something completely new that you never had contact to over the course of SoC is probably at least difficult |
| 19:31.48 | Ivanovic | personally i'd recommend some base knowledge in the area you want to work |
| 19:31.57 | Lunixed | no no , I have worked with both of them at very basic level, I want to learn more in that place. .. |
| 19:32.04 | Ivanovic | but if there are no basics available it is really tough to get started |
| 19:32.08 | Lunixed | yes... I have base knowledge :). .. . |
| 19:32.49 | Lunixed | in both the fields. ... have done some work before... but that time just using different codes and all.. |
| 19:33.33 | Ivanovic | then i'd recommend having a look at the list of last years project and check which ones actually make use of that stuff |
| 19:33.36 | Lunixed | want to learn something new. may be new algo implementation, I was thinking of openCV but it became a little high class consdering the work I have done/the knowledge I have |
| 19:33.47 | Ivanovic | then contact one of those orgs and ask them what they think is the best way to get startet |
| 19:34.07 | Lunixed | Hmm ... that is a good Idea.... |
| 19:34.11 | Ivanovic | many project got a list of "easy coding tasks", things that are rather small changes that are a great way to get into contact with the stuff |
| 19:34.36 | Lunixed | ohhk... will do that then .... :) |
| 19:35.05 | Lunixed | Thank you all for your valuable help :) |
| 19:35.13 | Lunixed | hope it helps anyone out there reading :) |
| 19:37.38 | Lunixed | is gsoc appengine showing 500 error ? |
| 19:37.45 | Lunixed | sry solved |
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| 20:16.03 | slimb00 | How can i discuss my idea with Gnome before the program starts? Please help !!! |
| 20:20.26 | wormangel | search for their irc channel or mailing lists |
| 20:20.45 | wormangel | it should be easy to find |
| 20:21.37 | slimb00 | ya i've joined it.. but whom should i discuss with |
| 20:24.47 | dhaun | slimb00: have you tried asking? we don't know how Gnome handles GSoC ... |
| 20:26.40 | slimb00 | I send a mail to them but there's no reply. |
| 20:27.06 | slimb00 | So i was confused !! |
| 20:28.18 | kpreid | slimb00: it's entirely up to them to organize things, have a contact person, etc - GSoC hasn't even started accepting orgs yet |
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| 20:28.50 | kpreid | slimb00: where did you send your email, and was it a description of your idea or asking who to contact? |
| 20:31.54 | slimb00 | i sent mail to the person who manages the mailing list.. |
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| 20:33.10 | kpreid | there's a very good chance that they are not a highly involved and responsive member of the community |
| 20:33.22 | kpreid | you should send a message *to the mailing list* |
| 20:34.05 | slimb00 | should i try again ? |
| 20:34.08 | dhaun | a quick Google search brings up a Gnome GSoC list - try that (the list, not the list owner, as kpreid said) |
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