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| 06:03.55 | kblin | kicks the new android sdk |
| 06:05.56 | kblin | wth? |
| 06:06.12 | Landon | that's what you get for abusing androids! |
| 06:06.16 | kblin | ok, screw this.. I'm not paying to publish open source software |
| 06:06.41 | kblin | then people will have to live without samba for android |
| 06:06.52 | Landon | the horror :P |
| 06:06.53 | summatusmentis | you have to pay to publish? |
| 06:07.01 | summatusmentis | that's frustrating |
| 06:07.09 | kblin | yeah |
| 06:07.20 | Landon | one time fee though, right? |
| 06:07.25 | kblin | dunno |
| 06:07.33 | kblin | looks like it |
| 06:07.33 | summatusmentis | there's no "free/open source" option? |
| 06:07.52 | kblin | but still, it's more a matter of principle |
| 06:08.30 | Landon | kblin: i see it more as the limit of $cost/x as x goes to infinity :P |
| 06:08.31 | kblin | not to mention that the stupid 2.0 sdk doesn't install |
| 06:09.07 | Landon | is afraid to admit this in such a techy channel, but he's never used a smartphone |
| 06:09.14 | kblin | me neither |
| 06:09.28 | Landon | perhaps I don't know what I'm missing |
| 06:09.35 | summatusmentis | you don't |
| 06:09.40 | Landon | but my phone checks my email and can do the normal phone stuff |
| 06:09.42 | Landon | thats good for me! :P |
| 06:09.46 | kblin | but I learnt that you could load ELF executables in android and wanted to test if I could run samba |
| 06:09.52 | summatusmentis | once you can do "smart things" with your phone, you don't want to go back |
| 06:10.00 | Landon | "smart things" |
| 06:10.09 | Landon | I have a calendar too, it's called google calendar |
| 06:10.39 | Landon | and twitter and facebook if I felt like being that connected |
| 06:11.32 | kblin | oh well, off to do fun things that don't cost money to publish |
| 06:11.45 | summatusmentis | I like internet access wherever I am |
| 06:12.10 | Landon | ah well, I don't like how much time I already spend on the internet |
| 06:12.13 | kblin | yeah, so why do you need a smartphone for that? |
| 06:12.48 | summatusmentis | kblin: because I live in the middle of nowhere, and we don't have wifi |
| 06:13.03 | summatusmentis | s/wifi/wifi outside of campus/ |
| 06:13.05 | kblin | summatusmentis: so? |
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| 06:13.41 | Landon | o.O |
| 06:13.53 | summatusmentis | so the browsers are better on smartphones |
| 06:14.25 | kblin | summatusmentis: I've got 3g internet on my phone. arguably smartphones have bigger screens |
| 06:14.48 | summatusmentis | clearly data plans can be attached to any phone |
| 06:14.57 | kblin | but it's not real internet even on a screen twice as big |
| 06:15.00 | summatusmentis | I like the concept of "small computer in my pocket" |
| 06:15.15 | summatusmentis | it's getting close to Real Internet |
| 06:15.21 | kblin | but what's the point if that computer can't easily run software I need? |
| 06:15.39 | Landon | does it have ssh? |
| 06:15.40 | summatusmentis | yes, I agree. It's dependent on the person and their needs |
| 06:15.44 | summatusmentis | mine does |
| 06:16.01 | kblin | I mean all this stupid "let's only allow a very limited java" stuff runs kind of against the idea of having a small computer |
| 06:16.13 | summatusmentis | kblin: it does |
| 06:16.16 | summatusmentis | true |
| 06:16.30 | summatusmentis | WebOS is closer to "small computer" than android |
| 06:16.38 | kblin | part of having a real computer for me is being able to run "make install" on it |
| 06:17.01 | summatusmentis | yep |
| 06:17.51 | kblin | not saying that I'd say no if someone gave me a dev phone |
| 06:18.06 | summatusmentis | haha, clearly not :-P |
| 06:18.42 | summatusmentis | I bought my Centro primarily for the keyboard and the price, secondarily because I had a data plan, and it made sense to try the "smartphone" thing |
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| 07:10.45 | kblin | ahrg |
| 07:11.18 | kblin | got a strong contender for the gsoc list for bad signal/noise ratio |
| 07:14.24 | hypa7ia | wow, really? |
| 07:15.37 | kblin | yeah.. the society of comp-sci students merged it's undergrad and grad student lists |
| 07:15.49 | kblin | and the first years just started |
| 07:16.03 | Landon | heh |
| 07:16.09 | Landon | they actualy use email? |
| 07:16.16 | Landon | (the first years) |
| 07:16.26 | Landon | I have to prod the ones in my intro group to even respond to my emails :( |
| 07:16.32 | kblin | so it's full of "how do I use the university email account with outlook?" "outlook is teh evul!" |
| 07:16.52 | kblin | not all of them, I guess, or it'd be worse |
| 07:17.07 | kblin | but of course the grad student's aren't much better |
| 07:17.28 | Landon | on a bulletin board in the CS department someone clipped out one of the survey responsese the paper publishes |
| 07:17.29 | kblin | I just watched a flame war triggering over a rant about thread hijacking |
| 07:17.50 | Landon | "Were you affected by the Zimbra outage?" "I'm just an art major. I don't check my email, I guess I should" |
| 07:18.36 | kblin | well, I get > 90% junk over my university account |
| 07:18.58 | Landon | I don't get much |
| 07:19.02 | Landon | but I never give it out to people |
| 07:19.12 | Landon | only professors use it since it's shown on their online gradebooks |
| 07:19.18 | kblin | me neither. it's university-authorized spam |
| 07:20.06 | kblin | about so supposedly famous theologists giving a lecture |
| 07:20.12 | Landon | aha |
| 07:20.19 | Landon | I unsubscribed myself from all of those mailing lists early on |
| 07:20.22 | kblin | or other uninteresting stuff like that |
| 07:20.33 | kblin | it's not mailing lists, here |
| 07:20.55 | kblin | but > 90% junk means there's still some useful messages in there |
| 07:21.05 | kblin | and as they're all marked the same, it's hard to filter |
| 07:21.21 | kblin | I'm so looking forward to graduating and getting off all those lists |
| 07:25.58 | hypa7ia | my school sucks so bad at spam filtering :( |
| 07:27.11 | LawnGnome | I route my uni e-mail into my main GMail setup. So much less hassle than dealing with their weird Webmail system and terrible filtering. |
| 07:27.47 | kblin | shrugs |
| 07:28.08 | kblin | I forward all mail to my own server |
| 07:28.42 | kblin | allows me to keep all of my mail in one place and means that google doesn't get to read all of my email |
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| 07:29.12 | LawnGnome | I used to do that. Couldn't really justify the effort, though, and none of my e-mail's really interesting enough for me to care about Google having access. |
| 07:29.32 | kblin | it's more a matter of principle |
| 07:30.02 | kblin | and I don't trust google.. they're a US-based company :) |
| 07:30.09 | LawnGnome | Understood. :) |
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| 07:39.48 | kblin | hmm |
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| 09:00.27 | ikonia | hello |
| 09:00.32 | ikonia | oops, wrong channel |
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| 09:03.37 | MatthewWilkes | morning all |
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| 09:17.52 | kblin | hm, interesting |
| 09:22.02 | kblin | Nightrose: ping :) |
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| 09:57.41 | Nightrose | kblin: pong |
| 09:57.55 | Nightrose | (just got home - you're lucky ;-)) |
| 09:58.50 | Nightrose | jet lag: check |
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| 10:00.06 | kblin | Nightrose: I was too bloody tired for jet lag |
| 10:00.35 | Nightrose | hehe |
| 10:00.43 | Nightrose | what did you ping about kblin? |
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| 10:01.26 | kblin | you're listed as the amarok help person on launchpad, and I'm trying to figure out if amarok can be used to listen to daap streams |
| 10:01.53 | Nightrose | it kinda maybe can :D |
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| 10:02.07 | Nightrose | daap is one of the things that sometimes work and sometimes don't |
| 10:02.18 | kblin | Nightrose: depending on moon phase? |
| 10:02.19 | Nightrose | and unfortunately no-one care enough about it to fix it properly |
| 10:02.22 | Nightrose | kinda yea |
| 10:02.33 | kblin | ah, sounds like wine ;) |
| 10:02.37 | Nightrose | ;-) |
| 10:02.45 | kblin | how'd I do this in theory? |
| 10:03.59 | Nightrose | afaik daap shares should just show up in your collection on the left |
| 10:04.19 | Nightrose | streams should be playable by either pasting them onto the playlist or adding them via the menu |
| 10:06.32 | kblin | ok, that doesn't seem to work today then. :) |
| 10:06.42 | kblin | never mind :) |
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| 10:07.41 | Nightrose | ok - sorry - must be one of those days... |
| 10:09.20 | kblin | yeah, never mind.. if I cared enough, I'd look into fixing it, but to be honest I don't care enough :) |
| 10:09.54 | kblin | it's easier to just go next door and turn on itunes on my mac |
| 10:10.17 | Nightrose | heh - damn convenience :D |
| 10:12.58 | kblin | ahrg, dropbear doesn't do ipv6, how lame is that? |
| 10:13.07 | kblin | adds to his todo list |
| 10:13.57 | kblin | I suspect this one is fixable by aptitude purge dropbear; aptitude install openssh-server |
| 10:14.17 | lifeeth | dropbear is a puny little thing to do ipv6 :) |
| 10:14.46 | kblin | lighty does ipv6 |
| 10:14.53 | Nightrose | kblin: thinking about it, are you using a current itunes version? |
| 10:14.56 | kblin | and that's a puny little thing as well |
| 10:14.58 | lifeeth | but lighty isnt that small :) |
| 10:15.13 | lifeeth | heck even nginx does it |
| 10:15.22 | lifeeth | * I guess it has to do with the use case |
| 10:16.18 | kblin | Nightrose: I think so.. the latest version apple provides for PPC 10.4 |
| 10:18.25 | Nightrose | kblin: then you're screwed anyway since itunes has locked the protocol in new versions so not accessibly by other players |
| 10:18.40 | Nightrose | i think starting with either version 4 or 6 |
| 10:18.42 | Nightrose | not sure atm |
| 10:19.19 | kblin | Nightrose: ah |
| 10:19.21 | Nightrose | yay once again for apple lock-in |
| 10:19.24 | kblin | I smell a challenge |
| 10:19.32 | Nightrose | haha - you're more then welcome |
| 10:19.45 | Nightrose | we'd love to have that |
| 10:19.50 | kblin | goes to get a winxp vm set up |
| 10:20.01 | kblin | I can't promise results anytime soon, of course |
| 10:20.07 | Nightrose | sure sure |
| 10:20.17 | kblin | there's things like university coming first and stuff |
| 10:20.24 | Nightrose | for details best talk to sebr - i think he was the one who touched that last |
| 10:20.31 | Nightrose | bah - don't remind me... |
| 10:20.34 | kblin | #amarok? |
| 10:20.37 | Nightrose | jep |
| 10:20.45 | kblin | ok |
| 10:21.02 | Nightrose | might have also been eean but i think sebr |
| 10:21.34 | kblin | but if there's something in the job requirements of a samba developer than it's "must enjoy looking at endless network traces" :) |
| 10:21.52 | Nightrose | *lol* |
| 10:21.58 | kblin | well, not anymore, now that microsoft released the docs, but back when I started |
| 10:22.05 | Nightrose | whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy... |
| 10:22.05 | Nightrose | :D |
| 10:22.16 | kblin | other people like sudoku.. |
| 10:22.22 | Nightrose | rofl |
| 10:23.16 | Nightrose | looks at mailbox to catch up with and starts crying |
| 10:23.58 | kblin | hehe |
| 10:24.03 | kblin | I feel with you :) |
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| 10:34.09 | kblin | Nightrose: ok, so the problem is Apple having switched to public/private key auth in their DAAP protocol handshake |
| 10:34.35 | kblin | that's quite nasty to figure out |
| 10:35.01 | kblin | they're probably hiding the private key somewhere within the itunes binary |
| 10:35.17 | Nightrose | kblin: hmm that sounds about right (it's been a while since people talked about it) |
| 10:36.53 | kblin | I'm just reading up on the corresponding launchpad bug |
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| 10:43.13 | kblin | ok, I think this one is going to be really tricky.. :) |
| 10:43.59 | kblin | I'll have to look into getting itunes running in wine again, so see if there's an api call to get the certificate |
| 10:44.28 | Nightrose | cool |
| 10:44.32 | Nightrose | thanks for looking into it |
| 10:45.12 | kblin | I dislike companies who abuse their monopoly postition.. and imho apple is way worse than microsoft |
| 10:45.42 | Nightrose | unfortunately yea :( |
| 10:45.46 | kblin | but I guess that's ok, as apple is a religion, and microsoft is only a company |
| 10:45.53 | Nightrose | hehe |
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| 10:47.36 | Ivanovic | what i like about apple is that their os comes with a basically posix compatible base (as in you have some terminal emulator and a bash available) |
| 10:47.59 | Ivanovic | though itunes and many other apple things just suck |
| 10:50.06 | kblin | doing some things right is no excuse to be a proprietary bastard |
| 10:50.41 | Ivanovic | exactly |
| 10:51.06 | kblin | which is not only my opinion, the EU Supreme Court agrees :) |
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| 11:46.48 | kblin | uh, not good |
| 11:47.34 | kblin | I just copied an iso file from my hfs+ mac drive to my ext4 file server and from my fileserver to my ext3 laptop hdd |
| 11:47.45 | kblin | and the md5sum is different on all three files... |
| 11:47.57 | Ivanovic | outsch |
| 11:49.08 | kblin | outch indeed |
| 12:03.44 | kblin | ok, transfers fine from mac to laptop directly |
| 12:04.02 | kblin | now to find out if it's ext4 or dropbear that's mucking with my files |
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| 12:07.45 | kblin | then again, at least it's convenient to remove an ipv4-only ssh server because you can install and start the ipv6-capable server in parallel, so you can't lock yourself out |
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| 12:30.12 | thebolt | Hi all |
| 12:32.25 | kblin | hey thebolt |
| 12:32.37 | thebolt | is back in a cold, grey, Stockholm.. |
| 12:32.48 | kblin | hm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/317781/comments/54 is an interesting read |
| 12:32.55 | thebolt | waiting for my train which departs in an hour (and then takes 2 hours until i get home) |
| 12:33.16 | kblin | not related to my problems, though |
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| 12:39.34 | thebolt | kblin: old, but surprisingly unknown, "bug".. but yes, it is interesting |
| 12:40.22 | kblin | unfortunately, instead of doing the ballantly obvious and just losing my data, my ext4fs seems to alter it |
| 12:45.07 | kblin | oh, winxp makes funny noises... I think that's the first time I installed with a soundcard that didn't need an extra driver :) |
| 12:47.18 | kblin | ah, cool, the md5sum of my iso file keeps changing |
| 12:47.22 | thebolt | haha |
| 12:47.33 | kblin | that's completely convincing me that ext4 is a good idea |
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| 12:48.16 | kblin | sounds like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/453579 |
| 12:48.17 | thebolt | you mean you had any indication to that before? :) |
| 12:48.43 | kblin | thebolt: ubuntu karmic seems to suggest that as default? |
| 12:48.56 | kblin | I had the impression they at least tested this? |
| 12:50.19 | kblin | oh, right |
| 12:50.42 | thebolt | its linux, they let you do the testing ;) |
| 12:50.49 | kblin | I just called md5sum test.iso ; sync; md5sum test.iso ; md5sum test.iso; |
| 12:50.57 | kblin | all three md5sums are different |
| 12:51.08 | thebolt | haha |
| 12:51.29 | thebolt | hope its not important :P |
| 12:51.41 | Ivanovic | wow, okay, ordering the sheevaplug in the US does not sound like a too good idea: http://www.sheevaplug.de/forum.html?func=view&catid=22&id=326#410 |
| 12:51.43 | thebolt | by now the content might approach true random data |
| 12:51.51 | Ivanovic | should be a lot cheaper to order at newit in the UK |
| 12:52.26 | Ivanovic | should end at 110⬠incl shipping and taxes |
| 12:53.15 | Ivanovic | fedex charging additional 10⬠for the tax is *wow* (plus the 20⬠just for tax) |
| 12:53.34 | Ivanovic | that is: without additional fees like the tax it would be just ~100⬠|
| 12:55.14 | kblin | thebolt: it's just a windows xp iso image |
| 12:55.26 | kblin | thebolt: I can get that from microsoft whenever I have to |
| 12:55.29 | thebolt | kblin: ok :) |
| 12:56.17 | kblin | oh, I've had that md5sum before |
| 12:57.39 | kblin | oh, now it seems to have stabilized |
| 12:57.56 | kblin | on the wrong checksum, but at least stabilized |
| 13:04.34 | kspaans | When does the SoC application process usually start? I assume it's scheduled along with typical university terms, so sometime in May? |
| 13:04.55 | kblin | kspaans: well, google doesn't preannounce things |
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| 13:05.05 | kblin | so we technically don't know if there's a gsoc 2010 |
| 13:05.16 | kspaans | kblin: Ahh, so it can depend on the project then as well? |
| 13:05.33 | Ivanovic | no, the dates are universal |
| 13:05.35 | kblin | however, I assume the timeline will be the same if there's a gsoc2010 |
| 13:05.43 | Ivanovic | but so far *nothing* is really sure about the next soc |
| 13:05.48 | kblin | !timeline |
| 13:05.48 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline, or (#2) if you prefer a pretty visual timeline see http://is.gd/141Tu |
| 13:06.05 | kblin | or at least roughly the same |
| 13:07.06 | kspaans | kblin: Thanks, that timeline is perfect for me. |
| 13:07.47 | kspaans | I'm in a co-op program, and I've got a co-op term this Summer coming up, and so I'd have to compete between GSoC and the internal way that I apply for co-op jobs. |
| 13:08.26 | kspaans | And it looks like GSoC makes decisions before I'd be too deep into applying for co-op jobs. |
| 13:12.38 | kblin | I'd say watch the google open source blog for updates then |
| 13:19.15 | kspaans | Cool |
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| 22:19.28 | kblin | Ivanovic: ping |
| 22:19.35 | Ivanovic | kblin: pong |
| 22:25.56 | kblin | Ivanovic: globalscale is a bunch of idiots, it seems |
| 22:26.08 | Ivanovic | details! |
| 22:26.18 | kblin | they've sent me a tracking number of the new unit they're sending me |
| 22:26.41 | Ivanovic | and they are sending it to your old order address? |
| 22:26.43 | kblin | however, instead of sending it to germany, the tracking website tells me it's going to sunnyvale |
| 22:26.59 | kblin | no, that's the address I sent the defective unit from |
| 22:27.09 | Ivanovic | argh |
| 22:27.27 | ojwb | oops |
| 22:28.02 | kblin | so, I'm _not_ paying for the shipping from wild palms to home |
| 22:28.10 | kblin | that's going to be more expensive than the unit |
| 22:28.23 | Ivanovic | yeah |
| 22:28.31 | kblin | they screwed up, as they asked for my shipping address, and I gave them the bloody address for that thing |
| 22:28.51 | Ivanovic | sounds like |
| 22:30.48 | kblin | so while they reacted reasonably fast on the rma, they did the completely wrong thing |
| 22:33.38 | kblin | man |
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| 22:34.55 | ThomasWaldmann | kblin: what kind of unit was that? |
| 22:38.46 | kblin | ThomasWaldmann: a sheevaplug |
| 22:39.16 | kblin | shipping to germany is around USD 70, for a USD 99 unit, and then you need to pay taxes |
| 22:40.12 | kblin | which reminds me, I hope they correctly label this thing as "replacement" so I don't have to pay import tax on that thing |
| 22:40.30 | ThomasWaldmann | ah, nice device |
| 22:40.45 | kblin | can't say so far |
| 22:40.51 | kblin | it broke after three weeks |
| 22:40.59 | ThomasWaldmann | oops |
| 22:41.49 | kblin | I didn't even get around to set up a kernel that can do IPv6 |
| 22:49.24 | kblin | also, there's some rumours that lunatic lemur (or whatever the next ubuntu release will be called) will only support armv7 |
| 22:49.43 | Catfish_Man | *only*? |
| 22:49.59 | Catfish_Man | oh, you mean not support armv6 |
| 22:50.07 | Catfish_Man | not "not support x86, etc... too" |
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| 22:52.00 | Ivanovic | uhm, i'd just go for installing debian then and be done |
| 22:52.09 | Ivanovic | (and wish that i don't brick the system) |
| 22:52.10 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 22:52.45 | kblin | yeah, for the armel builds, sorry |
| 22:52.58 | kblin | nods |
| 22:53.16 | kblin | for a server, that's probably a sane choice |
| 22:53.43 | Ivanovic | some debian stable should be perfect on such a little home server |
| 22:54.01 | kblin | nods |
| 22:55.00 | kblin | I'm going to be really annoyed if lunatic lemur switches to armv7 without supporting the beagle out of the box |
| 23:03.32 | Erant | Why would they drop support for ARMv5? |
| 23:04.26 | kblin | dunno, just comes up once in a while on #ubuntu-arm |
| 23:04.41 | Erant | kblin: As fate has it, I'm actually setting up an open-rd from globalscale right now |
| 23:04.41 | kblin | anyway, I need to get up in 5:20, so night |
| 23:04.47 | Erant | Heh, k, 'nite :) |
| 23:06.26 | Ivanovic | n8 kblin |
| 23:06.44 | ojwb | nate? |
| 23:07.01 | Catfish_Man | nacht |
| 23:07.10 | Catfish_Man | took me a while to get that one too |
| 23:07.20 | Ivanovic | ojwb: i speak german, '8' is "acht" in german, "night" in english is "nacht" in german |
| 23:07.21 | ojwb | i see |
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