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| 00:07.17 | phrozn | Is there a meet-up for successful students after the summer? |
| 00:08.27 | Landon | sure, I'll host one in kansas |
| 00:08.28 | Landon | :P |
| 00:09.05 | phrozn | :), how about at the googleplex? |
| 00:09.28 | dberkholz | there is if you organize it |
| 00:10.00 | Lennie | The person who knows the answer just walked out of the room ^^ |
| 00:12.19 | phrozn | the mentors get a cool, snazzy summit |
| 00:13.03 | Lennie | ^^ |
| 00:13.37 | Lennie | ask the student mailing list |
| 00:13.46 | Lennie | and you might find out that there is a meeting near you :) |
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| 02:31.12 | skbohra | trying something new now may cause other things break and hence bring scare ;) |
| 02:31.51 | skbohra | should focus on documentation and stuff! |
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| 05:03.14 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline, or (#2) if you prefer a pretty visual timeline see http://is.gd/141Tu |
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| 20:23.23 | Ivanovic | it is *lovely* to finally be able to read the mid term evals |
| 20:24.19 | Ivanovic | (though having been able to do so earlier would have been even better, now we can barely make use of the input) |
| 20:24.39 | kblin | evening Ivanovic |
| 20:24.43 | Ivanovic | hi kblin |
| 20:25.13 | Lennie | Can't have it all Ivanovic ^^ |
| 20:25.16 | Ivanovic | just told our students that they should feel to criticize in the evals |
| 20:25.28 | Ivanovic | they read too positive in my eyes, we can't have done this good... |
| 20:25.30 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 20:26.33 | Ivanovic | though some interesting things were already listed, things we can try to make even better than they already liked them (the stuff they would tell other orgs is really helpfull) |
| 20:27.21 | Ivanovic | looks like our accepted students basically liked the easy coding tasks as way to get in and up to speed with things |
| 20:27.40 | Lennie | good to hear :D |
| 20:27.59 | Ivanovic | (easy coding tasks = a list of smaller features that are rather easy to implement and we help students when questions come up like "uhm, where should i get started?" |
| 20:28.05 | thebolt | hi all |
| 20:28.49 | kblin | hm, interesting idea |
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| 20:28.57 | Ivanovic | and the eval form lacks the "the student directly works in the main repo, all his work automatically is included in new releases, no need to merge stuff in later on" answer |
| 20:29.12 | Ivanovic | kblin: it was basically our criteria to see if a student is well suited |
| 20:29.36 | kblin | sighs |
| 20:29.45 | Ivanovic | we asked to see code and of course prefer patches to add features or fix bugs (since we know that this code is from the current knowledge of the student and directly with our codebase) |
| 20:29.47 | kblin | I wonder where ellen or lh are at |
| 20:30.01 | Ivanovic | yes, leslie wasn't in here for a while |
| 20:30.03 | kblin | we still got one student MIA, and we're a bit worried about him |
| 20:30.08 | Ivanovic | :( |
| 20:30.15 | Lennie | kblin: you want me to ping them |
| 20:30.16 | Ivanovic | looks like we got a student MIA, too |
| 20:30.19 | Lennie | they are in the same room as me :P |
| 20:30.28 | Ivanovic | he promised more regular reports, but there was not really much |
| 20:30.29 | kblin | ellen offered to give him a call last week, but I didn't hear back from that yet |
| 20:30.36 | kblin | Lennie: that'd be most helpful |
| 20:30.44 | Lennie | I'll give Ellen a ping as soon as she walks back in :) |
| 20:30.55 | Ivanovic | (at mid term he was slightly behind, nothing really critical, communication could have been a little better, but not too alarming either) |
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| 20:32.37 | Ivanovic | Lennie: if you can work on the eval form, it might be nice to extend the answers for question 13 ("What are your plans for making sure your code student's code is integrated into your project's code base?") adding something along the lines of "the code is directly integrated right away" |
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| 20:33.26 | Ivanovic | "my" mentors and students all selected something different in the selection and hadd to add a comment stating that |
| 20:33.51 | Lennie | hehe |
| 20:34.39 | Lennie | I don't work on the evaluation questions myself |
| 20:34.46 | Ivanovic | okay |
| 20:34.56 | Lennie | neither are they hardcoded woot :D |
| 20:34.58 | Ivanovic | maybe you can forward it to the ones working on it |
| 20:35.14 | Ivanovic | (i think i can't edit them as org admin, right? ;) ) |
| 20:35.22 | Lennie | nope :D |
| 20:35.29 | Lennie | atleast I hope not ^^ |
| 20:36.07 | kblin | Lennie: hm, nm about ellen, my co-mentor talked to her already |
| 20:36.23 | Lennie | ok |
| 20:36.46 | Lennie | Ivanovic: I do have a google doc to share with you |
| 20:36.52 | Lennie | where you could edit the question if you'd like |
| 20:37.02 | kblin | seems like all is well, just no internet in the area of russia where he spends his vacation |
| 20:37.09 | Lennie | ok ^^ |
| 20:37.13 | Ivanovic | kblin: sounds good |
| 20:37.14 | kblin | good for him that we use a DVCS |
| 20:37.15 | Lennie | I'll tell Ellen that then |
| 20:37.29 | Ivanovic | Lennie: hmm, if you tell me how to do it, i will add this answer |
| 20:37.35 | kblin | ellen should know, she taled to my co-mentor :) |
| 20:37.48 | Ivanovic | (sorry, am not this much into the shared docs and the likes) |
| 20:38.01 | Lennie | ok |
| 20:38.05 | Lennie | then I will keep quiet :D |
| 20:38.15 | kblin | *talked |
| 20:38.19 | Ivanovic | Lennie: btw, do you know if someone does some "overall screening" of the answers like "what would you recommend orgs trying to participate to do"? |
| 20:38.24 | kblin | dammit, what's up with my typing today? |
| 20:38.26 | Ivanovic | would be nice to see the answers from other projects, too |
| 20:38.54 | Lennie | Ivanovic: I'm not sure, I know they have been aggregated |
| 20:39.49 | Ivanovic | sure, looking over all "many" is probably impossible for a single person, but some general look at "several" might be a great thing to have |
| 20:40.17 | Ivanovic | since i got the impression that students tend to list what they really liked/disliked in the process and mentors list what the orgs should keep in mind |
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| 20:41.20 | Lennie | I think that if you'd ask nicely on the mentors mailing list you might get a summary ^_^ |
| 20:41.29 | Lennie | but I really don't have a clue :D |
| 20:41.47 | Ivanovic | most of the other things are probably not this interesting for outsiders from other orgs (and i could imagine the answers from mentors and students since i see that stuff in everyday communications) but the answers for the last questions are really worth to read |
| 20:42.18 | Lennie | Ivanovic: I've put your option in the document ^^ |
| 20:42.23 | Ivanovic | if i ask nicely on the mentor list i will likely get 174 summaries, one from each other org |
| 20:42.25 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 20:42.30 | Lennie | not sure what will happen :D |
| 20:42.47 | Lennie | Ivanovic: Maybe 1 if you address it to the GOSPO team |
| 20:44.31 | Lennie | anyhow |
| 20:44.38 | Lennie | I have no clue, I just work on the website :D |
| 20:44.40 | Ivanovic | depends on the way i ask |
| 20:44.42 | kblin | Ivanovic: and a flame-war, we didn't have a flame-war for too long ;) |
| 20:44.55 | Ivanovic | if i directly list our experiences it is likely to get "many" replies |
| 20:45.20 | Ivanovic | kblin: you mean some "vim is better than emacs and kde rulez" at the end of the mail? |
| 20:45.27 | Ivanovic | ^^ |
| 20:45.46 | kblin | nah, no one will jump on those |
| 20:45.57 | kblin | gnome vs. kde is so 2005s |
| 20:46.08 | kblin | and vim vs. emacs is like.. '80s |
| 20:46.28 | AirBreather | Windoze 4 lief. |
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| 20:47.03 | kblin | Ivanovic: claim what you ask for was possible with the old web-app |
| 20:47.08 | Ivanovic | AirBreather: we are on a list with open source projects |
| 20:47.09 | kblin | ;) |
| 20:47.10 | makmanalp | kblin: these days it's "twitter vs <insert alternative here>" |
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| 20:47.25 | makmanalp | doesn't matter if the alternative is not related |
| 20:47.32 | Ivanovic | there the amount of people agreeing with you (you need some to agree or the flameware will be boring) is too low |
| 20:47.34 | kblin | makmanalp: what's this twitter all the kids keep talking about? |
| 20:47.47 | AirBreather | Ivanovic: Heh. Yeah... |
| 20:47.53 | Ivanovic | kblin: kids... |
| 20:48.06 | Ivanovic | todays youth ain't what it was when we were still young |
| 20:48.08 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 20:48.15 | makmanalp | kblin: apparently it's just like text messaging, except it's broadcast to all your friends and it's a web app |
| 20:48.16 | Lennie | kblin: :D |
| 20:48.34 | kblin | yeah, in the olden days, even the future was better |
| 20:49.11 | kblin | makmanalp: ah, you mean it's like text messaging, but allows more people to easily read your supposedly private information? |
| 20:49.22 | kblin | why didn't I invent that? |
| 20:49.42 | AirBreather | kblin: Because you would have to pitch it to someone else. |
| 20:49.43 | kblin | though, I guess given the choice between twitter and wow, I'd got for wow :) |
| 20:49.52 | Ivanovic | kblin: because schäuble had that idea (together with G.W. Bush) before you |
| 20:49.52 | Catfish_Man | it's asynchronous 1:N directed text messaging |
| 20:50.06 | Catfish_Man | IRC is the same thing but synchronous |
| 20:50.32 | kblin | Catfish_Man: I'd argue that IRC is interactive messaging |
| 20:50.41 | Catfish_Man | kblin: that doesn't contradict what I just said |
| 20:50.55 | kblin | no, but sounds less evil that way ;) |
| 20:51.30 | kblin | though given that a human brain can multithread, being synchronous isn't too bad |
| 20:51.39 | Catfish_Man | blogs are almost the same thing, but typically not directed, unless all your readers are via rss |
| 20:52.16 | kblin | ah |
| 20:52.33 | kblin | I don |
| 20:53.03 | kblin | 't quite get what the method of reading a blog would make different at the being directed part |
| 20:53.08 | Catfish_Man | (or, alternatively, twitter isn't directed if nobody uses follows) |
| 20:54.17 | Catfish_Man | kblin: the intended audience of a blog is typically "the world" |
| 20:54.24 | Catfish_Man | whereas twitter is typically "the people that follow me" |
| 20:55.01 | kblin | ah, ok |
| 20:55.05 | kblin | makes sense |
| 20:55.33 | kblin | wonders what oloh would count as |
| 20:55.42 | kblin | I seem to have a follower there |
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| 20:55.54 | Catfish_Man | my classification system eventually breaks down in corner cases :P |
| 20:55.55 | Lennie | ajuonline: grmbl you found me :P |
| 20:56.17 | kblin | and if I didn't know the guy, I'd be a bit creeped out |
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