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04:28.36theboltMorning
04:28.58lifeethMorning
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04:29.47LandonAfternight
04:29.52cadenevening
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04:31.40skbohra(timezone) greetings! :)
04:32.01lifeethIST ack
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04:32.43skbohra>> response IST- morning!
04:33.19Mkopnight
04:33.26lifeethEOT :P
04:34.04Mkoplife summarized:
04:34.15Mkopwhile (!file.isEOF())
04:34.20Mkop<PROTECTED>
04:34.24Mkopend
04:34.28Mkopdie();
04:34.56lifeethsegfault :)
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04:36.14Mkoptry {
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04:36.43lifeethcatch is die?
04:36.52lifeethThats as good and letting the error pop up :)
04:36.54skbohra:O
04:37.00Mkops/catch/not caught/
04:37.22Mkopif you don't get caught while jumping, you will die
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04:37.44lifeethSerious flaw :\
04:37.49Mkopperson.die() is a lot more complex than a program just segfaulting
04:37.51lifeeth^ inconsistent logic
04:38.21skbohranew life();
04:39.53skbohrais creating new threads
04:39.54MkopERROR: life() is abstract and can not be instantiated. Try creating an implementing class, such as Person() or Dog();
04:40.32MkopPerson.clone()
04:41.26lifeethError: You are violating *religious* codes of conduct
04:41.42skbohraif(Person.screwed==true)
04:41.57Mkopthe ==true is superfluous
04:42.09LandonI hope that's not python
04:42.17Mkopand screwed should be a private member
04:42.31skbohraPerson.haveBeer()
04:42.31Mkop;-P
04:42.31skbohra:D
04:42.50Mkopis wondering how many people caught my joke
04:42.56lifeethpep8 please "_
04:43.03lifeeth:)
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04:47.08skbohrajust wrote the worst code for life
04:47.33skbohrawebchick: Hi , how are you doing?
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05:18.33MkopI HATE UNREADABLE CODE
05:18.34Mkop</rant>
05:19.54Ryan52it's fun to write, tho.
05:20.10Dark_ShikariI love code that people consider unreadable but actually isn't
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05:34.48MkopI hate code that people consider readable but actually isn't
05:36.12Dark_Shikariunreadable is a relative term
05:36.19Dark_Shikariassembly code is unreadable to someone who knows nothing but java
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05:49.45cadenare you really reading something if you already know what it says?
05:50.18Dark_Shikarione has to assume a certain level of knowledge of a reader of code
05:50.57Dark_Shikarifor example, in x264, my project, we are not going to make any code comments about concepts from the H.264 standard, because we rightfully assume that anyone reading the code is familiar with the basic background information (and if they aren't, it's not our job to fix that).
05:51.16Dark_Shikarii.e. comments should be about things specific to our implementation, not general principles
05:56.49MkopI'm not even talking about comments
05:56.55MkopI'm talking about naming variables intelligently
05:57.35Mkopthe person who wrote this code says she's scared to use the same variable name twice, because she might want the old variable
05:57.40Dark_ShikariLOL
05:57.47Mkopso the code is like:
05:57.50Mkopamp=whatever()
05:57.51Dark_Shikariwell, you don't want to use the same variable name twice for two different things
05:57.58Mkopampcut=foo(amp)
05:58.00Dark_Shikariol
05:58.01Dark_ShikariLOL
05:58.02Dark_Shikarioh god
05:58.05Dark_Shikarithat is terrible
05:58.06Mkopampcutl=bar(ampcut)
05:58.18Dark_Shikariof course, I'd do
05:58.19Mkopampa=ampcutl(i,:,:);
05:58.29Dark_Shikariamp = bar(foo(whatever()));
05:58.37Dark_Shikariannoys people with debuggers too
05:59.17Mkopsometimes it is good to have it broken up in multiple lines
05:59.23Mkopbut you can do amp=whatever()
05:59.26Mkopamp=foo(amp)
05:59.30Mkopamp=bar(amp)
05:59.33Dark_Shikariofc
06:01.17Mkopevery time there's a for loop with a counter, she has to use a different variable name for the counter
06:01.48Dark_Shikari.... oh god.
06:01.57Catfish_Man1Mkop: reminds me of js's scoping rules. for(var i =... wait, that was function-scope not block-scope? crap.
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06:03.22Mkopthis is matlab which doesn't enforce much in terms of scoping, but it makes sense to consider a variable as good as gone once the block is done
06:04.24Dark_Shikarioh god, matlab
06:04.33Dark_Shikarithe only language where arrays start at 1
06:05.04MaNIother the Lua
06:05.05MaNI:/
06:05.47LawnGnomeAnd BASIC.
06:05.56LawnGnomeI hate myself a little for knowing that.
06:06.01MaNIheh
06:06.19theboltwas just about to say that but kept quiet.. and now he of course have no knowledge of that fact :)
06:06.46theboltpascal can also have 1 (or higher) as lowest index ;)
06:06.50MaNIada as well apparently
06:07.04MaNIalthough I have never used it so just going off google on that one
06:07.38Mkopmatlab has a lot of things to love, and a lot of things to hate
06:08.32Dark_Shikarion an unrelated note, I love being able to write complex code for an open source project, spend a ton of time on it, commit it and benefit everyone--and then apply the same patch to a proprietary program and bill them for all the time I spent writing it for the open source project.
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06:08.56MaNIhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_programming_languages_(array)#Array_system_cross-reference_list
06:09.07MaNIactually far too many with a 1 in that table for my liking
06:09.30MaNIDark_Shikari, how do you get that right?
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06:09.38theboltwell, in human way of thinking using 1 for first is kind of natural
06:09.41Dark_ShikariMaNI: if I write code, I can license it however I want
06:09.59Dark_Shikariincluding both GPL and proprietary at the same time
06:10.42MaNIif you give it to a project then you must usually assign copyright to the project though?
06:10.50theboltno
06:10.51Dark_Shikarivery few projects require that
06:10.55Dark_Shikarionly like FSF stuff
06:11.02Dark_Shikariand some projects that do dual-licensing I think, like mysql
06:11.53MaNIanything that is dual licensed I would think
06:12.13MaNIand if it is not dual licensed then the proprietary program is probably also gpl
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06:12.21Dark_ShikariI have considered trying to dual-license x264 for a while--if we could really round up everyone who's written significant code and get them to agree, we could make a huge amount of money
06:12.26MaNIin which case I am not sure why a company would pay for a gpl patch
06:12.33Dark_Shikaribut on the other hand I like the satisfaction of Free
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14:41.15korykstill haven't been paid :-(
14:41.31summatusmentiswhat time zone are you in?
14:41.47summatusmentisit's almost 7am where Google's offices are
14:41.59summatusmentistheir work-day hasn't started yet :)
14:42.18aghislait is quite at its end here :P
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15:04.56skbohraseems like the logs site is down
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15:10.50skbohrahmm working now :)
15:11.36skbohrathis isn't real time
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17:09.57dzhusFINALLY.
17:10.10dzhus<3 Google <3
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17:14.22ajuonlinemuah. ha. ha :D
17:14.27ajuonlinesummer of code madness :P
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17:15.26dzhusCoogle gummer of sode.
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17:22.26floppyearsdzhus: finally what ?
17:24.52summatusmentispayment, presumably
17:26.07MaNImoney, awesome
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17:28.25ajuonlinesummatusmentis: seems you are not happy. i can haz ur card # ?
17:28.35dzhusoh lol
17:28.52lifeethI can also keep the money safe -- No one will ever find it ;)
17:30.08summatusmentisajuonline: what makes you think I'm not happy?
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17:33.02MaNIso much for citi banks email notification service
17:35.36lifeethWell atleast their site without css loads up fast :)
17:36.07summatusmentisyou turn off CSS? why?
17:36.20MaNIseems fast enough with css
17:36.31lifeethmyecount never seems to give me the css :\
17:37.00summatusmentisoh, you don't have it turned off, it' just their website being funky
17:37.45lifeeththey have a cross domain css that 404's .. and firefox waits for each of the CSS urls to time out :D
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18:34.08pygithis myecount site is so baaaaaaaaaaad
18:34.22ajuonlinepygi: dont use it. stop complaining :P
18:34.43pygiheh, you should work, and not follow me around
18:34.59ajuonlinepygi: bwahahaha :P
18:35.08lifeethpygi, hit the login twice and view the source
18:35.21pygilifeeth, that's the way to use a site? :D
18:35.30lifeethThis one yes :)
18:35.45pygiI like it
18:35.51lifeeth^ view the source when the browser goes blank.. -- It works like a charm
18:35.55alanpyou guys got money
18:35.57alanp?
18:35.59pygiyou have to be a hacker to register, then you have to use hackish methods to see the data :D
18:36.12koryknot yet
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18:36.35korykYES I GOT MONEY
18:36.36korykfinally
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18:36.40MaNIits a security feature
18:36.58alanpyou got money?
18:36.59pygiI got it
18:37.04alanpgoes to chedk
18:37.05MaNInobody can steal your money unless they are a hacker as well
18:37.12pygiMaNI, :P
18:39.22pygilifeeth, thanks for the heads-up
18:40.59pygilifeeth, which org/project are you?
18:41.07skbohraprepaid.citi.com is atleast better than myecount.com ;)
18:41.19alanpsweet, i got paid too
18:41.33lifeethpygi, Sahana
18:41.40pygiskbohra, cool, I can open that page now! xD
18:41.44pygiit didn't work before!
18:41.50pygilifeeth, ah, so the same as this ajuonline slacker...
18:42.07lifeeth:)
18:42.12skbohrapygi: so as me, Sahana :)
18:42.21ajuonlineshoots pygi
18:42.22pygiPSF here
18:43.32ajuonlinethinks pygi didnt make a noise, shoots pygi again to make sure
18:43.46pygi...
18:43.50pygiI burn your bullets
18:44.07lifeethscramble the jets
18:44.15ajuonlinewhatever, pygi ur dead :P
18:44.30pygiye, you wish...
18:44.35smtmsburies ajuonline
18:44.46pygiI think a fate much worse then death would catch you if my gf finds out that you killed me xD
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18:45.15skbohracalls pygi's gf
18:45.29skbohraajuonline: :P
18:46.23pygiskbohra, I'm not dead yet, but thank you :p
18:46.50pygiskbohra, lifeeth : so do you know who is his mentor? I need to speak to that guy...
18:47.03pygipassing someone who only slacks all the time is rude
18:48.13ajuonlinepygi: yeah right, let me locate your mentor as well :D
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18:51.53summatusmentisajuonline: you're coercing people into doing GSoC with your org? shameless
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18:52.29pygisummatusmentis, :)
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19:03.00ajuonlinesummatusmentis: stfu :P
19:03.33summatusmentisajuonline: hey, I'm not the questionably forcing other students to work for you. I ought to turn you in
19:06.51pygisummatusmentis, what happened?
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19:07.14summatusmentispygi: nothing, just that skbohra is working on sahana, like ajay was last year ;)
19:07.18summatusmentisI'm just teasing him
19:07.35pygi:D
19:08.19summatusmentisoh, and did I mention that ajay is pretty involved at sahana? he's looking out for his own interests ;)
19:08.39pygiare you his clone?
19:08.43pygicause it seems like it :p
19:09.16summatusmentisnope, just a smart... mouth >_>
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19:10.05summatusmentisgotta run, tah all
19:10.48skbohrasummatusmentis: :O
19:12.29ajuonlinesummatusmentis: i am gonna call ur sister now.
19:12.43ajuonlinesummatusmentis: call as in actually, phone her, and ask her to to kick you.
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19:15.50Mkopoh man
19:15.54Mkopwhat just happened here?
19:16.02Mkopit seems like I missed some good excitement
19:16.03Mkop!logs
19:16.04socinfo"logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc
19:16.30skbohralogs aren't realtime ;)
19:16.54Mkopapparently :-)
19:16.55ajuonlineMkop: old school friends, messing around with each other :D
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20:12.08gigabyteshello
20:12.22gigabytescan I transfer moneys from the VISA card to a bank account?
20:13.45smtmsthere's no way that I know of
20:13.58gigabyteshm
20:14.09gigabytesso I have to take them from the ATM
20:14.15gigabytesright?
20:14.18smtmswhile cursing Google, yes
20:14.55gigabytesthe limit is $1000, right?
20:15.03gigabytes$1000/day
20:15.10MaNIgoogle gave you the money so cursing them might be pushing it
20:15.28gigabyteswhat does that mean?
20:15.29MaNIgigabytes, yes apparently
20:15.38gigabytesMaNI: ok
20:15.49asmeurerhas anyone tried withdrawing $1000 from an ATM?
20:16.01asmeurerdo they carry that much cash usually?
20:16.22gigabytesI think the maximum amount depends on the single ATM
20:16.22MaNII would hope they carry a bit more then that
20:16.28Ivanovicasmeurer: they do
20:16.41ajuonlineswipe your card. to save :D
20:17.04asmeurerThat's 50 $20 bills, which is what they usually have
20:17.04alanpwhat i do is go to the ATM and withdraw the money and then immediately deposit it to my bank account
20:18.01Ivanovicasmeurer: okay, in germany the atms usually have 50€ notes as max
20:18.14asmeurerI guess if the ATM runs out of cash, I will just have to wait until they restock
20:18.20Ivanovic(and many of those, more than 10, 20 or 5€ notes)
20:18.31gigabytesbut what about the fees? Let's suppose the ATM spot allows a maxium of $500, then I have to make 4 transactions
20:18.35Ivanovicif it runs out of cash go to the next atm
20:18.51gigabytesdo I pay more than 2 transaction of $1000 each?
20:19.05asmeurerI have never tried the fee free one I plan on using, but the ones that I have used only let you get $20, $40, $60, and so on
20:19.12gigabytesIvanovic: yes, that's why I'm asking if I'll pay more fees
20:19.13asmeurerand it's all in $20's
20:19.35asmeurergigabytes: find a fee free atm
20:19.50asmeurermyecount.com has a thing where you can find them
20:20.04Ivanovicat least in germany the fee depends on the company giving out the card, not the automat used
20:20.50asmeurerthere could be two different fees to speak of
20:20.54asmeurerCiti fees and ATM fees
20:21.02Ivanovic(that is the bank i am at says that i can use any atm worldwide without a single dollar fee where i got to pay a fee of 1.75% when using it as "money replacement" in a currency different than €)
20:22.15asmeureranyway, we get $5 extra for each deposit to account for fees
20:22.58Ivanovic;)
20:23.12asmeurerI think ATM fees are called "surcharges", but some are surcharge free
20:23.26asmeurerbut Citi also has
20:23.26asmeurerFees
20:23.27asmeurerDomestic ATM Fee$1.50
20:23.27asmeurerInternational ATM Fee$3.50
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20:23.59asmeurerwhich looks like it comes out to < $5 if you can get it all at once
20:24.04pygiyou can't
20:24.17asmeurerI mean, in $1000 chunks
20:24.48asmeurerat least here in the states
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20:32.00pygiasmeurer, do you know what the fees are if we keep money on the card?
20:32.16asmeurerit is listed on myecout.com
20:32.24gigabytesI hope the dollar rises a bit
20:32.26asmeurerDisclosures & Fees at the bottom
20:32.37asmeurerAccount Maintenance Fee 1$3.00
20:32.37gigabytes$2000 -> 1400€
20:32.41gigabytesis crazy!
20:32.43asmeurer1 Account Maintenance Fee: Subject to applicable law, a monthly maintenance fee will be applied to all accounts, provided that the fee for months 1-6 will not be collected until the six month anniversary date. Fees thereafter will be collected monthly. Fees will be postponed if the following criteria are met: 1) There have been funds added to your account in last three months; 2) There have been purchases made with your account in last
20:33.01asmeurercrazy big or crazy small?
20:33.29gigabytesasmeurer: 1400€ are small
20:33.35pygiasmeurer, I can't login, so how would I see it? :D
20:33.55asmeurerwhat about https://www.prepaid.citi.com/ ?
20:34.52pygiI'll look into that later
20:35.01asmeureranyway, it is also listed on the paper that came with the card, if you still have that somewhere
20:35.08pygidoubt it :p
20:35.10pygibut thakns
20:35.13pygithanks
20:35.23asmeureryou should keep those things
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20:38.27pygiasmeurer, :p
20:38.31pygiNow you tell me :D
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20:44.14ajuonlinepygi: just pm me your card number and the security digits as well. i will take care of it. seriously.
20:45.35pygiajuonline, :P
20:48.04pygiok
20:48.09pygiits 12345678902025
20:48.21pygiand CVV is 898
20:49.12ajuonline:P
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20:50.24Landonuhoh
20:51.30MkopLandon: you can check again, but i suspect you're still male.
20:51.36Mkop(if that's what you're worried about)
20:51.45Landono.O
20:52.03LandonI hate it when  my gender changes without warning
20:52.44Mkophas spent way too much time sitting on his @$$ in the past few days
20:53.01Mkopthe front tire of my bike got stolen so I can't exactly ride it :-(
20:55.55MkopKmart hold music FTW
20:56.01Mkopthey're playing final countdown
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22:27.21pygipeople
22:27.23pygistart talking :D
22:27.39Landonhiiii
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22:28.02pygi:)
22:29.40pygiergh
22:29.44pygiprepaid.citi.com is also broken
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23:37.36jaguarandioffers icecream for other soc's
23:38.02jaguarandi*for others soc students/mentors/admins
23:40.25summatusmentisI was gonna say, other Summer of Codes?
23:40.29summatusmentissomeone needs to tell LH
23:51.26pygisulabh_m, :P
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