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| 01:03.18 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 04:01.48 | ecin | Is the survey data (specifically optional comments, and advice to org and students) published at any point? |
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| 04:08.48 | ojwb | ecin: i think it's only published as collated stats, but if you're concerned I'd check with someone who actually knows |
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| 04:12.00 | summatusmentis | the org admin gets to see it |
| 04:12.07 | summatusmentis | and can choose to publish it |
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| 04:14.29 | anothy_x | that happens after the deadline? |
| 04:15.14 | summatusmentis | which? |
| 04:17.30 | anothy_x | when org admins can see results of surveys. |
| 04:17.49 | anothy_x | (or did i misunderstand the question?) |
| 04:18.44 | summatusmentis | sorry, I meant the org admin for each org can see the results of the surveys for their org |
| 04:18.48 | summatusmentis | or, could last year |
| 04:19.01 | ojwb | I wouldn't go too much on last year |
| 04:19.08 | summatusmentis | that's fair |
| 04:19.15 | ojwb | though I'd hope the org admin can see them |
| 04:19.19 | ojwb | can't currently |
| 04:20.05 | summatusmentis | well, I doubt the melange team is intentionally leaving off features from last year, although I s'pose it's possible |
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| 10:28.12 | kblin | meh, time to go look for ocaml docs |
| 10:29.09 | Landon | wonders where all that 66F air is at |
| 10:29.12 | Landon | my room is still 82 |
| 10:29.13 | Landon | :\ |
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| 11:10.52 | kblin | hm, now that's the first tricky one... yay for old exercises... |
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| 11:12.36 | ajuonline | there must be online videos of "how to's of" martial artS? |
| 11:14.18 | kblin | youtube |
| 11:15.07 | kblin | durn, I really don't remember how to recursively split a list at depth n in a functional programming language.. |
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| 11:16.33 | Landon | step 1, create a non-functional programming language |
| 11:16.52 | Landon | step 2, let me know when you get there |
| 11:17.01 | BCarlyon|Office | LANDOM! |
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| 11:17.09 | Landon | BCARLYON |
| 11:17.14 | BCarlyon|Office | HI! |
| 11:17.22 | Chani | can I edit my survey after submitting? |
| 11:17.25 | Landon | WHATS UP |
| 11:17.26 | kblin | Landon: pfft |
| 11:17.33 | BCarlyon|Office | NOT MUCH. |
| 11:17.36 | kblin | Chani: yes, up until the deadline |
| 11:17.38 | BCarlyon|Office | HOW ARE YOU? |
| 11:17.42 | Landon | IS THAT A BILLY MAYS IN YOUR POCKET OR ARE YOU JUST HAPPY TO SEE ME? |
| 11:17.43 | kblin | oh, stopt it |
| 11:17.47 | Chani | kblin: when is that anyways? :) |
| 11:17.48 | BCarlyon|Office | SHALL WE WALK ACROSS THE ROOM INSTEAD OF YELLING ACROSS IT. |
| 11:17.55 | Landon | walks across the room |
| 11:17.56 | Dark_Shikari | HI, BILLY MAYS HERE! |
| 11:18.01 | Landon | trying to do some early morning work |
| 11:18.01 | kblin | !timeline |
| 11:18.02 | Landon | :D |
| 11:18.02 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline, or (#2) if you prefer a pretty visual timeline see http://is.gd/141Tu |
| 11:18.08 | kblin | Chani: ^^^ |
| 11:18.12 | BCarlyon|Office | Nice. |
| 11:18.16 | Chani | thanks |
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| 11:18.39 | Landon | yeah, I need to get motivated though |
| 11:18.45 | Landon | perhaps yet another breakfast item will do the trick |
| 11:18.46 | BCarlyon|Office | BEES! |
| 11:18.52 | Landon | bees are disappearing! |
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| 11:19.34 | BCarlyon|Office | Indeed. |
| 11:20.02 | Landon | oh, I need to run to the post office! |
| 11:20.04 | Landon | away I go! |
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| 12:53.36 | ArthurLiu | http://groups.google.com/group/google-soc-meetups/browse_thread/thread/cfea2858dbf04525 |
| 12:53.43 | ArthurLiu | The Google Summer of Code meetup at the Zurich Office (that's in Switzerland) has been scheduled for August 13. |
| 12:54.09 | Lennie | :( |
| 12:54.11 | Lennie | damn |
| 12:55.06 | Lennie | exactly the week I'm out of europe :P |
| 12:55.24 | ArthurLiu | oh well... |
| 12:55.49 | Lennie | would have loved to hear some feedback about the webapp ^_^ |
| 12:56.19 | Lennie | anyhow, I'm sure it will be fun D: |
| 12:57.04 | ArthurLiu | do we have melange people in ZRH ? |
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| 12:57.19 | careta | hello |
| 12:57.38 | careta | can anyone from europe access www.myecount.com or prepaid.citi.com? |
| 12:57.54 | Lennie | works here careta (NL) |
| 12:58.10 | Lennie | ArthurLiu: nope |
| 12:58.30 | careta | when I login to myecount it gets redirected to www.myecount.ca and doest work |
| 12:59.38 | ArthurLiu | well, at least me and danderson should be there if you want us to ask for feedback |
| 13:00.21 | Lennie | ArthurLiu: hehe, maybe in between the lines (if it comes up) |
| 13:00.50 | Lennie | ArthurLiu: but it's not life threatening ^_^ |
| 13:01.27 | Lennie | ArthurLiu: We also know there is a lot of work left to do but there is only so much you can do each day :D |
| 13:01.50 | ArthurLiu | we'll collect the flak and kudos, freeze them and send them to you in a nice package |
| 13:04.04 | Lennie | That's nicely put |
| 13:04.12 | Lennie | I'll try to be there next year :D |
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| 13:30.02 | careta | when i registered my card on www.myecount.com i put my name instead of Google summer of code student (but left google's address). do you think this might be a problem? |
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| 13:38.14 | Lennie | careta: I think this can be dealt with quicker on the student mailing list |
| 13:38.30 | careta | ok thanks Lennie |
| 13:38.31 | Lennie | careta: the people responsible for payment are asleep now (I hope) since they are located in MTV afaik :) |
| 13:39.08 | Lennie | np careta, if you don't receive a repsonse within a few days let me know and I"ll try to put you in direct contact |
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| 13:48.28 | lucian_ | i think i forgot my username for prepaid.citi.com, what should I do? |
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| 13:49.06 | Lennie | hi lucian_ I think it is best you mail the student mailing list |
| 13:49.15 | Lennie | the people who deal with this problem are still asleep |
| 13:49.25 | Lennie | and maybe others will run into it as well :) |
| 13:49.35 | Lennie | so always good to have a record on the list just in case |
| 13:49.39 | lucian_ | Lennie: ok. i'm not even sure i did forget it or the website is wrong. it's really a crap website |
| 13:49.44 | lucian_ | Lennie: sure, will do |
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| 13:50.13 | lucian_ | Lennie: since you're around, what's google's postal code? |
| 13:50.35 | Lennie | I don't work for G sorry :( |
| 13:50.47 | lucian_ | Lennie: alright, found it anyway. thanks :) |
| 13:51.09 | Lennie | 94043 is the closest i can get you |
| 13:51.13 | Lennie | if I remember correctly that is MTV :) |
| 13:52.13 | kblin | it's on the students list, in any case |
| 13:53.18 | lucian_ | Lennie, kblin: apparently it's also on google.com/contact |
| 13:53.26 | Lennie | :D |
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| 13:53.33 | Lennie | tanks for the info lucian_ , I'll try to remmber |
| 13:53.41 | lucian_ | Lennie: i figured it out btw, it was my mistake |
| 13:53.50 | Lennie | <- is away now, ttyl |
| 13:53.54 | Lennie | hehe mistakes happen |
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| 15:35.10 | majensen | howdy-- I've got a qn; ready? |
| 15:35.42 | majensen | I recently acquired a gmail account, well after signing up as a mentor |
| 15:36.04 | majensen | Would like to log in to gsoc with profile intact, but |
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| 15:36.33 | majensen | gsoc now thinks I'm a new person with google id [new gmail account] |
| 15:36.38 | majensen | any ideas apprec. |
| 15:37.57 | schumaml | sign out and sign in with the other account? |
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| 15:38.14 | schumaml | although I di assume that you tried this already |
| 15:38.17 | schumaml | do |
| 15:38.55 | majensen | (prob is, the new account is linked to my non-gmail address |
| 15:39.09 | majensen | I sign in with the "old account", come up as mr. new account) |
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| 15:39.24 | MatthewWilkes | majensen: Does your profile not persist? |
| 15:39.30 | MatthewWilkes | This was fixed months ago, iirc |
| 15:40.01 | majensen | MatthewWilkes: no, I get a "Create profile" option and no highlighted mentor eval link |
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| 15:40.12 | MatthewWilkes | majensen: Bugger. Ask the guys in #melange |
| 15:40.17 | majensen | ok, cheers |
| 15:42.10 | schumaml | it would really be nice to be able to merge two google accounts |
| 15:42.28 | schumaml | or at least, use my normal log-in for my gmail account |
| 15:42.44 | MatthewWilkes | Well, they actually are one account |
| 15:42.54 | MatthewWilkes | just that googlemail ids trump other ids |
| 15:43.25 | MatthewWilkes | but appengine gives a uid now, so I don't understand why that's happening |
| 15:43.53 | MatthewWilkes | I had this back in the org application period |
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| 15:47.29 | ben | hello |
| 15:48.10 | Guest34373 | hello |
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| 15:49.06 | Guest34373 | hello, can i ask a question? |
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| 15:49.44 | summatusmentis | just ask |
| 15:50.27 | Guest34373 | is there a program like gsoc but for people under 18? |
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| 15:51.06 | summatusmentis | GHOP has been done in the past, it's not terribly similar in structure to GSoC, but close enough? |
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| 15:53.18 | Guest34373 | yeah, but i can only find links of the ghop for 07-08, they dont have one this year or next year, right? |
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| 15:55.28 | summatusmentis | there was no GHOP in 08-09, I don't believe |
| 15:55.38 | summatusmentis | and the 09-10 has not been announced |
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| 15:56.18 | summatusmentis | but I believe one of the goals of Melange (the software running GSoC right now) is to support GHOP (or something similar), so there may be a future GHOP |
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| 15:56.33 | summatusmentis | but Google has not announced one, as of yet |
| 15:57.38 | Guest34373 | cool. so if there is ghop in 2010, sign ups are around april, yeah? |
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| 15:58.57 | summatusmentis | I'm not sure, I believe GHOP starts sometime in November, so I assume the sign ups would not be in april |
| 15:59.14 | summatusmentis | I expect there will be a fair amount of news should another GHOP be announced |
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| 16:01.05 | Guest34373 | oh, ghop is not during summer |
| 16:01.13 | Guest34373 | nov~ to feb~? |
| 16:01.22 | summatusmentis | that sounds about right, yes |
| 16:01.27 | summatusmentis | but I'm not actually sure |
| 16:03.28 | ojwb | google's policy is not to preannounce |
| 16:03.44 | ojwb | there have certainly been hints that another ghop is likely though |
| 16:04.42 | Guest34373 | is there a good rss feed i can subscribe to that would keep me updated with this? |
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| 16:05.24 | summatusmentis | I would say the Google Open Source Blog is probably a good bet |
| 16:05.57 | ojwb | yeah, I'd think so too |
| 16:06.17 | codestasher | that is the best choice available for sure |
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| 16:27.35 | Guest34373 | thx summatusmentis |
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| 16:28.59 | summatusmentis | Guest34373: of course |
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| 17:46.15 | tierra | if I have a student assigned to me, do I need to still fill out both surveys? (the "Midterm Program Evaluation" and the "Midterm Mentor Evaluation") |
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| 17:50.03 | lh | tierra: only mentor eval is required, the other is nice for you to do |
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| 17:50.17 | tierra | thanks lh |
| 17:50.41 | lh | tierra: my pleasure |
| 17:52.08 | thebolt | hi lh |
| 17:52.20 | lh | thebolt: hello! long time no talk - how are you? |
| 17:53.12 | thebolt | lh: definitely.. i'm doing pretty good, since last saturday i am back in Sweden, my year in Taiwan is now over (for this time.. would be surprised if i don't go back in the future ;) |
| 17:53.18 | thebolt | lh: and how about you? |
| 17:54.14 | lh | thebolt: i just got back from costa rica on sunday. i already want to go back. |
| 17:54.19 | lh | i can imagine you miss taiwan |
| 17:56.04 | thebolt | lh: nice, how long did you spend there? i want to go there some day, one of my best friends on taiwan is costa rician.. |
| 17:56.16 | lh | thebolt: four days. quick trip. |
| 17:56.28 | thebolt | ah, ok |
| 17:57.11 | lh | thebolt: i climbed a mountain and stood under a waterfall and then used the wifi at the waterfall |
| 17:57.21 | lh | costa rica is *awesome* |
| 17:57.44 | thebolt | :) |
| 17:58.55 | lh | thebolt: how is it to be home? reverse culture shock a bit? |
| 17:59.47 | thebolt | quite a bit yes :) guess it will come more and more.. but i am aware of it and hope that will help ;) |
| 18:00.32 | thebolt | it is good, and sad.. some stuff/people i miss now (and in a couple of weeks i guess i will miss some more/other), some things are really nice to have that i haven't had for a year |
| 18:00.51 | thebolt | (like seeing my family, the peace of the deep swedish woods i'm in right now..) |
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| 18:07.17 | lh | ok i realize this is a dumb question |
| 18:07.21 | lh | but sweden has woods? |
| 18:07.27 | lh | i thought it was all fjords |
| 18:07.33 | thebolt | haha, fjords is norway |
| 18:07.41 | thebolt | but a majority of both sweden and norway is covered in woods |
| 18:07.45 | lh | you don't *all* have fjords? |
| 18:07.59 | lh | that's just rude. you should consider adopting some norwegian fjords. |
| 18:08.01 | thebolt | technically sweden have only one real fjord.. |
| 18:08.02 | lh | fascinating. |
| 18:08.06 | lh | ah ha! |
| 18:08.13 | lh | i knew there was a fjord in there somewhere |
| 18:08.19 | Chainsaw | One is enough :) |
| 18:08.26 | lh | no one ever tells you about the scandanivian woodlands ever |
| 18:08.44 | lh | is fascinated, adds to list of travel destinations |
| 18:08.48 | Chainsaw | Just the fjords and the snowscooter races :) |
| 18:09.42 | thebolt | lh: wood products (timber, paper etc) is together with iron&steel the economical foundation of sweden |
| 18:10.13 | lh | thebolt: i swear, being american is silly. all we ever hear about is bikini teams. seriously. that is *it*. |
| 18:10.13 | thebolt | (and then some telecom-products and pharmasuticals on the top..) |
| 18:10.20 | lh | which i suppose is amusing but whatever. |
| 18:10.30 | lh | i dont need a bikini team. i do need paper products. |
| 18:11.29 | thebolt | :) |
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| 18:11.47 | thebolt | i thought you lived the "paperless world" ;) |
| 18:12.30 | summatusmentis | paper products are also made in the US? |
| 18:12.41 | summatusmentis | there's a paper mill like... 4 miles from my house |
| 18:13.36 | thebolt | summatusmentis: sure are.. and other parts of the world as well ;) |
| 18:13.47 | summatusmentis | oh, clearly |
| 18:13.53 | summatusmentis | lh was just whining about bikini teams :) |
| 18:14.10 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: of course, you love the bikini teams |
| 18:14.10 | lh | thebolt: no i need paper for happiness/ |
| 18:14.34 | lh | summatusmentis: you can have the bikini team provided they are happy with it. i just want the paper products. |
| 18:14.58 | makmanalp | speaking of paper products, that google notebook is coming in handy |
| 18:15.31 | lh | makmanalp: indeed! :) |
| 18:16.04 | makmanalp | yeah, i like scribble room :P |
| 18:16.37 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: you're a mentor this year, right? |
| 18:16.49 | summatusmentis | makmanalp: no, I'm not good enough to be a mentor ;) |
| 18:16.58 | makmanalp | oh, okay |
| 18:16.59 | thebolt | when i work i like stuff to scribble on.. but then i generally need _large_ areas.. like a3 sheets covering a wall or so :P |
| 18:17.05 | makmanalp | i vaguely remember something like that |
| 18:17.25 | summatusmentis | no, I'm fighting with C code right now |
| 18:17.25 | makmanalp | maybe something like you helping the gsoc people out then |
| 18:17.34 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: aha, neat. which? |
| 18:17.38 | summatusmentis | oh, I pay attention and help when I can |
| 18:17.41 | summatusmentis | OpenAFS |
| 18:17.44 | makmanalp | oh! |
| 18:17.45 | lh | thebolt: have you seen the square whiteboard pieces with sticky back that adhere to walls? |
| 18:17.56 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: that is pretty badass. |
| 18:17.56 | thebolt | lh: hm, think so |
| 18:18.04 | thebolt | lh: but they tend to be expensive ;) |
| 18:18.12 | summatusmentis | makmanalp: I enjoy it |
| 18:18.16 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: i get to hack on kde :) |
| 18:18.24 | vegard | what's a bikini team? |
| 18:18.29 | summatusmentis | haha, I haven't used kde in... a long time |
| 18:18.36 | makmanalp | lh: thanks for being helpful on the project switch, btw |
| 18:18.39 | thebolt | kind of needs to find a new area to spend his free time on when he cannot go diving, photographing or dancing (newest hobby;) |
| 18:18.50 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: give it a shot when 4.3 makes it out |
| 18:18.59 | summatusmentis | perhaps |
| 18:19.35 | thebolt | i realized that after 8 years of doing the same thing i kind-of lost my interest in 3d/game coding.. |
| 18:19.49 | lh | makmanalp: no problem at all. what did i do? i dont even remember |
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| 18:19.54 | lh | thebolt: reading! |
| 18:20.00 | lh | omg. |
| 18:20.01 | summatusmentis | lh: probably "be awesome" |
| 18:20.02 | makmanalp | thebolt: well, it's normal to burn out |
| 18:20.05 | thebolt | lh: well, that i already do in excessive amount |
| 18:20.13 | lh | thebolt: you dont want to code any more at all? |
| 18:20.19 | thebolt | makmanalp: yea, but i had a year off now.. and i have no interest at all to go back ot that :) |
| 18:20.38 | thebolt | lh: probably want, just have to find something interesting to code on :) |
| 18:20.41 | lh | summatusmentis: eh maybe |
| 18:20.48 | makmanalp | lh: well, you basically okayed me switching from doing fingerprint scanner integration (because someone else had done it) to working on kde plasma's animation library |
| 18:20.53 | lh | thebolt: hrm. android applications for open health care records? :) |
| 18:20.59 | lh | not that i have any personal interests in such things. |
| 18:21.07 | lh | makmanalp: oh yeah that. hi! |
| 18:21.20 | makmanalp | thebolt: oh, well, the awesome part of being a programmer is you aren't quire as limited to one thing as other professions |
| 18:21.24 | makmanalp | lh: :) |
| 18:21.37 | lh | goes to lunch, bbl |
| 18:21.37 | makmanalp | lh: pinguar also sends her thanks and regards |
| 18:21.46 | thebolt | lh: hehe, who knows.. might spend a week or something on an application which i might actually make some money of.. (new version of a custom made application i made a few years ago) |
| 18:21.49 | lh | makmanalp: ooo. please to give her my best and a hug too. |
| 18:21.54 | lh | thebolt: money is also good |
| 18:21.54 | makmanalp | will do |
| 18:21.56 | thebolt | lh: haven't looked at android development at all yet.. :) |
| 18:21.59 | lh | actually goes to lunch now |
| 18:22.01 | lh | :) |
| 18:22.04 | makmanalp | heh |
| 18:22.06 | thebolt | enjoy |
| 18:23.41 | thebolt | makmanalp: true.. might also do something more related to my area of studies (EE) |
| 18:23.48 | makmanalp | ah |
| 18:24.01 | makmanalp | well, or you could do something like embedded / robotics |
| 18:24.05 | makmanalp | which is like part of both |
| 18:24.22 | makmanalp | lots of fun stuff going around with arduino boards |
| 18:24.26 | thebolt | makmanalp: given i decided it is interesting enough to study for 5 years, and maybe another 4-7 years.. i should be able to come up with a project i like ;) |
| 18:24.37 | makmanalp | haha |
| 18:25.03 | thebolt | i should go ahead and get my CPU project moving |
| 18:25.15 | thebolt | finish the half-finished ISA i began writing and write a simulator |
| 18:25.50 | makmanalp | heh, fun fun fun |
| 18:26.02 | summatusmentis | thebolt: were you the one writing code for a non-existant cpu arch a while back? |
| 18:26.23 | makmanalp | thebolt: i once spent a while hacking at an emulator a friend was working on |
| 18:26.27 | thebolt | summatusmentis: not sure it was me, but i have done that ;) |
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| 18:26.47 | thebolt | hm.. android means java.. not for me atm ;) |
| 18:26.51 | summatusmentis | thebolt: someone was talking about writing code for an arch that didn't exist, because they were creating it |
| 18:26.57 | summatusmentis | it sounds like you, but I don't know |
| 18:27.01 | thebolt | ah, was probably me |
| 18:27.04 | thebolt | yea |
| 18:27.48 | summatusmentis | come on, you mean you don't write CPU arch's in java? |
| 18:27.58 | thebolt | no :P |
| 18:28.00 | makmanalp | android? |
| 18:28.07 | thebolt | I don't write anything in java ;) |
| 18:28.08 | summatusmentis | the Google phone os |
| 18:28.15 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: i know what it is ... |
| 18:28.21 | makmanalp | how did it come up :P |
| 18:28.22 | summatusmentis | oh |
| 18:28.33 | summatusmentis | thebolt was talking about writing apps to make a little bit of money |
| 18:28.40 | summatusmentis | or something, I wasn't exactly paying attention |
| 18:28.42 | makmanalp | thebolt just randomly started talking about it randomly |
| 18:28.43 | thebolt | summatusmentis: no, that is two different things.. ;) |
| 18:28.50 | thebolt | lh suggested writing android apps |
| 18:28.53 | makmanalp | - one of those "randomly"s |
| 18:28.55 | makmanalp | ah |
| 18:29.19 | summatusmentis | h that's right, lh |
| 18:29.27 | summatusmentis | you could make money from android apps |
| 18:29.38 | summatusmentis | probably not a lot, but yeah |
| 18:29.53 | summatusmentis | maybe enough to pay for your coffee every morning |
| 18:30.05 | summatusmentis | _maybe_ |
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| 18:30.26 | thebolt | yep, but i could make more from making a new version of the access application i made 15 years ago |
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| 18:32.02 | summatusmentis | makmanalp: you're getting ready to be a junior? |
| 18:32.08 | makmanalp | indeed |
| 18:32.11 | makmanalp | scary |
| 18:32.14 | summatusmentis | I know right? |
| 18:32.20 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: i can't believe 2 years passed so quick :( |
| 18:32.21 | summatusmentis | I couldn't remember if you were a year ahead of me or not |
| 18:32.25 | summatusmentis | seriously |
| 18:32.37 | summatusmentis | in about a year, we're supposed to be deciding what we want to do with our lives |
| 18:32.49 | makmanalp | well, i kinda want to start working |
| 18:33.00 | makmanalp | it'll be awesome to make money, like i'm doing right now |
| 18:33.07 | makmanalp | but i like school too |
| 18:33.07 | thebolt | heh, i have one more year (4 completed) to get my Msc.. |
| 18:33.20 | thebolt | begun seriously consider studying some more |
| 18:33.34 | makmanalp | thebolt: about time :P |
| 18:33.56 | thebolt | makmanalp: about time for what? |
| 18:34.04 | summatusmentis | makmanalp: meh, I don't know that I want to work for anyone |
| 18:34.18 | summatusmentis | I want someone to pay to work on what I want to work on (or not work on) |
| 18:34.22 | Landon | ^ |
| 18:34.24 | thebolt | (btw, in Sweden we can do nothing->MSc, i don't have a BSc first) |
| 18:34.34 | summatusmentis | thebolt: some programs do that here too |
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| 18:36.13 | makmanalp | thebolt: studying! |
| 18:36.35 | thebolt | makmanalp: well, i did study 4 of the last 5 years ;) |
| 18:36.38 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: well, the trick is finding a company you want to work at. then you'll be paid for what you want to work on! |
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| 18:36.43 | thebolt | but right now its summer break (for another two months almost:) |
| 18:37.00 | summatusmentis | makmanalp: well, yeah, but any company is gonna have it's idiosyncracies(sp?) |
| 18:37.05 | Landon | makmanalp: no companies I know of would let me bounce between projects like a crack riddled goldfish |
| 18:37.15 | summatusmentis | meh, maybe I'll be a hobo in the Peace Corps for a couple of years |
| 18:37.19 | makmanalp | Landon: well, of course .. |
| 18:37.39 | Mkop1 | though some companies do allow a _certain_ amount of bouncing.... |
| 18:37.44 | Mkop1 | google's 20% time is basically that |
| 18:38.05 | Mkop1 | though it is only 20%, and it is more structured than you would probably naturally do |
| 18:38.16 | summatusmentis | you have to get into work for Google first :) |
| 18:38.22 | thebolt | summatusmentis: heh, yea.. one of my alternatives (that i am seriously considering) is going back to taiwan and studying mandarin for a year or two |
| 18:38.40 | makmanalp | Mkop1: 20% isn't "bounce between projects like a crack riddled goldfish" :P |
| 18:38.56 | Mkop1 | I know, but it's a small step in that direction ;-) |
| 18:39.33 | summatusmentis | Landon: lay off the crack, then you can just a "withdrawing-from-crack goldfish" |
| 18:39.47 | summatusmentis | k, tah all |
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| 20:49.31 | DrJoel | does anyone know if you can see if the mentors have done their surveys yet |
| 20:52.46 | schumaml | you can't, unless this was added recently |
| 20:52.49 | cygal | ask them? |
| 20:53.20 | DrJoel | schumaml: thanks.. |
| 20:53.37 | DrJoel | cygal: i hate to be a pest .. asking over and over.. thought someone from Melange might be here and know |
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| 20:54.06 | cygal | then wait&see :) |
| 20:56.44 | schumaml | DrJoel: melange got their own channel, iirc |
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| 21:49.37 | Dark_Shikari | oh shit, I just realized... GCOS = Google Chrome OS |
| 21:49.40 | Dark_Shikari | GSOC = Google Summer of Code |
| 21:49.51 | Dark_Shikari | dyslexia? |
| 21:52.05 | Landon | o.O |
| 21:52.15 | Landon | that's quite a ... stretch |
| 21:52.15 | Mkop1 | what the heck is google chrome os? |
| 21:52.22 | Dark_Shikari | that thing google just announced |
| 21:52.25 | Landon | read $TECH_SITE |
| 21:52.37 | Landon | sounds interesting, but I'll probably keep on with ubuntu |
| 21:52.41 | Dark_Shikari | that thing techcrunch believes is the second coming of christ |
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| 21:52.46 | t0ms | m4r3k: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html |
| 21:52.54 | t0ms | m4r3k: srry |
| 21:52.56 | t0ms | Mkop1: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html |
| 21:53.02 | m4r3k | t0ms: that is fine :) |
| 21:53.15 | t0ms | m4r3k: z CR? |
| 21:54.02 | m4r3k | t0ms: yes :) |
| 21:54.11 | t0ms | :) |
| 21:54.18 | m4r3k | t0ms: you? |
| 21:54.23 | t0ms | m4r3k: SR |
| 21:54.29 | m4r3k | t0ms: cool :) |
| 21:54.37 | m4r3k | t0ms: mentor or student? |
| 21:54.41 | t0ms | m4r3k: student |
| 21:54.54 | m4r3k | t0ms: nice. what do you do? |
| 21:55.13 | Mkop1 | I don't get the whole web-only thing |
| 21:55.28 | Mkop1 | there are a LOT of things I do that don't run in a browser |
| 21:55.40 | Catfish_Man | Mkop1: so they'll try to develop ones that do |
| 21:56.03 | Landon | let me know when they get ssh in a browser at a decent clip |
| 21:56.15 | Mkop1 | is there any browser-based IDE? |
| 21:56.20 | Catfish_Man | Mkop1: yes, bespin |
| 21:56.56 | Mkop1 | the whole thing is kinda strange |
| 21:57.32 | Mkop1 | If you would told someone 5 years ago that the future of software development lies in Javascript, they would have thought you're nuts |
| 21:57.58 | Mkop1 | "Javascript? That thing that makes annoying menus and popups on badly written websites?" |
| 21:58.17 | Catfish_Man | yes, a lot of people were ignorant about js |
| 21:58.22 | makmanalp | Mkop1: it's not the language's fault it gets abused commonly |
| 21:58.46 | Catfish_Man | it does have plenty of issues though. I suppose all languages do |
| 21:59.10 | Mkop1 | the fact that it's interpreted though is significant |
| 21:59.18 | Catfish_Man | it's not anymore |
| 21:59.21 | Catfish_Man | most browsers JIT compile it |
| 21:59.33 | Mkop1 | but it's still done client-side |
| 21:59.40 | Catfish_Man | sure, as it should be |
| 21:59.45 | makmanalp | Mkop1: so you'd like a binary that works on all platforms |
| 21:59.46 | Catfish_Man | serverside apps are almost universally terrible |
| 21:59.47 | makmanalp | nice |
| 22:00.00 | Mkop1 | aren't there IP issues with that? |
| 22:00.50 | Landon | I would like a moderately complex javascript ap that works without hiccups on my eeepc though |
| 22:00.58 | Mkop1 | what's to stop someone from fetching all the javascript and writing an Mkop docs software client mimicing google docs, other than the server side portions? |
| 22:01.21 | Catfish_Man | Mkop1: licensing, difficulty |
| 22:01.28 | Catfish_Man | what stops you from decompiling MS Office and reselling it? |
| 22:01.34 | Catfish_Man | there are tools that'll do that |
| 22:01.46 | Mkop1 | decompiling is not quite as easy as crawling |
| 22:02.01 | Catfish_Man | getting google's js back into a readable state is pretty tricky |
| 22:02.26 | Mkop1 | oh, do they obsfuscate the js? |
| 22:02.34 | Catfish_Man | obfuscate/compress, yes |
| 22:02.45 | Mkop1 | what does that mean, compress? |
| 22:02.46 | makmanalp | Mkop1: in most cases (not all), it's worthwile to go only after companies that steal your stuff. you get more money, and the targets are easier. |
| 22:03.02 | makmanalp | Mkop1: and so companies are more wary about doing that |
| 22:03.04 | Catfish_Man | there are various transformations you can do on source code to make it fit into less bytes without changing how it runs |
| 22:03.22 | Catfish_Man | changing variable names for single characters is an obvious one |
| 22:03.25 | Catfish_Man | s/for/to |
| 22:03.36 | makmanalp | Mkop1: kinda like why large companies buy software instead of pirating it, because they don't want to be prosecuted |
| 22:04.09 | makmanalp | Catfish_Man: given enough time and monkeying that's sufficiently undoable :) |
| 22:04.18 | Catfish_Man | makmanalp: so is asm :) |
| 22:04.25 | makmanalp | sure |
| 22:04.31 | Mkop1 | this is all true, and legally it's not worth it to steal, but the fact is, companies still don't publish the source code of their products and figure that "we hope no one steals it, and if they do, we can always sue" |
| 22:04.42 | makmanalp | apps in js have yet to reach the complexity of most normal desktop apps though |
| 22:04.51 | Catfish_Man | Mkop1: most of Adobe Lightroom is written in Lua, an interpreted language |
| 22:05.18 | makmanalp | :O |
| 22:05.22 | makmanalp | Catfish_Man: dd not know this |
| 22:05.26 | makmanalp | *did |
| 22:05.51 | Mkop1 | needs to get back to work |
| 22:05.56 | Mkop1 | *scold* |
| 22:05.57 | makmanalp | right |
| 22:06.04 | makmanalp | nice talking to you both, bedtime for me |
| 22:06.10 | Catfish_Man | 'night makmanalp |
| 22:06.13 | Catfish_Man | bye Mkop1 |
| 22:07.04 | makmanalp | Catfish_Man: not in qc anymore? |
| 22:07.56 | Catfish_Man | makmanalp: the network here doesn't seem to like that server |
| 22:08.03 | makmanalp | oops :) |
| 22:08.22 | makmanalp | & |
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| 22:22.25 | lh | will do |
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