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| 00:26.15 | touchaddict | hi, does gsoc permit me to receive help from other volunteers if they wish to help in some coding? |
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| 00:48.11 | r0bby | am I the only one who feels guilty if they don't work from the time they get up til they go to sleep? |
| 00:48.33 | r0bby | touchaddict: I'd be careful w/ such a thing :X but ask your mentor |
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| 01:02.49 | r0bby | dmitrig01_: how goes mentor-ship :) |
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| 01:12.36 | thiagoss | touchaddict, I don't think that is a problem, in my first year I used to receive patches from people interested in my work and that really helped :-) |
| 01:13.41 | thiagoss | While I was worried the most about implementing all the features I promised, the patches from collaborators were most about improving performance of already available features |
| 01:15.35 | r0bby | yeh |
| 01:15.57 | r0bby | my mentor is doing a thorough code review right now :X |
| 01:16.22 | r0bby | and i'm trying to figure out how the hell to model this one thing i need |
| 01:17.25 | r0bby | i like to be able to visualize a solution working before i write it :X |
| 01:17.31 | r0bby | ...flaw of mine :X |
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| 01:20.01 | r0bby | thiagoss: you in it this year? :) |
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| 01:20.47 | thiagoss | r0bby, yep, again in gstreamer. Last year adding support for creating mp4/mov, this year I'm up to asf. |
| 01:21.10 | r0bby | heh :) |
| 01:21.34 | r0bby | Ever feel guilty when you didn't work? :X |
| 01:21.57 | r0bby | be nice to know im not the only one who's become a total stressed out little b*tch :X |
| 01:22.10 | r0bby | due to my refusal to take breaks :X |
| 01:22.43 | thiagoss | r0bby, Yes, but it is useful to relax a bit for working with some more motivation |
| 01:23.02 | thiagoss | my problem this year are my vacations, that are still to start at the end of this week |
| 01:23.03 | thebolt | is all for resting into shape ;) |
| 01:23.42 | thiagoss | So I'm having my time split around gsoc and university so far. But hopefully working is flowing very well |
| 01:23.51 | thiagoss | r0bby, you seem quieter this year at the ML :-) |
| 01:24.03 | r0bby | I dont get them sent to me anymore |
| 01:24.16 | r0bby | I get digests now; and never read them :X |
| 01:24.31 | r0bby | and Ajay manages the announce list which gives me all the important info :) |
| 01:25.31 | thiagoss | r0bby, I'll take my girlfriend out to dinner now. Good luck with your modeling! |
| 01:25.55 | r0bby | yeh |
| 01:26.02 | r0bby | im gonna take tomorrow off |
| 01:26.18 | r0bby | but tonight i wanna get this done im going to IL for the 4th of july weekend |
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| 08:41.48 | kblin | yawns |
| 08:42.03 | kblin | compile faster, bloody vm |
| 08:44.05 | MaNI | heh |
| 08:45.20 | MaNI | which software you using? |
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| 08:46.40 | kblin | kvm |
| 08:47.27 | kblin | it's just that I'm used to compiling on the host machine with 4 cores, and I'm now compiling on the guest with one virtual cpu |
| 08:47.48 | kblin | it's probably still faster than my laptop |
| 08:53.08 | MaNI | I know how you feel |
| 08:53.12 | MaNI | having the same problem here |
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| 08:53.41 | MaNI | I'm hoping virtualbox 3 might give me a speed boost |
| 08:55.25 | MarkieMark1 | well me I wonder is there a prize for completing the gsoc project first? :) |
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| 08:57.29 | MarkieMark1 | MaNI: more pressups is what you need for a speed boost :) |
| 08:57.45 | MaNI | heh |
| 08:57.58 | MaNI | easier said then done seemingly |
| 08:58.25 | MarkieMark1 | at least you try |
| 08:59.25 | MarkieMark1 | pressups table is looking remarkably oligopolistic |
| 08:59.42 | MarkieMark1 | as for squats, what on earth is happening people? :) |
| 09:00.30 | MarkieMark1 | I'm thinking Landon has given up? |
| 09:01.27 | MaNI | I had to stop squats |
| 09:01.32 | MarkieMark1 | kblin less of the quad core stuff, you need to work your own quads |
| 09:01.34 | MaNI | cause I hurt my knee at soccer |
| 09:01.41 | MaNI | and squats seemed to be making the problem worse |
| 09:01.44 | MarkieMark1 | MaNI: understandable |
| 09:01.53 | MarkieMark1 | squats do seem stressing |
| 09:02.10 | MarkieMark1 | I get knee pains frequently |
| 09:02.11 | MaNI | so giving it a break till i'm sure knee is fine |
| 09:03.02 | MarkieMark1 | kblin: I'm not sure where quads are, I think they're connected to pressups though, you should at least see whether you could do some |
| 09:03.02 | MaNI | not sure what is wrong with the pushup part of my body though :P |
| 09:03.08 | Landon | MarkieMark1: for now yeah, at least until midterms are past |
| 09:03.48 | Landon | at least I havent gotten any worse |
| 09:03.51 | Landon | did pushups a night or two ago |
| 09:03.56 | Landon | still aroundt he same place I was when I stopped |
| 09:04.38 | MarkieMark1 | MaNI: it takes time, pressups, I've been taking breathers in the middle of my pressups although I try to make it feel as though it's one full set, ie resting my weight on one hand |
| 09:04.51 | kblin | MarkieMark1: I'm not allowed to do those yet |
| 09:05.05 | MarkieMark1 | Landon, I'd say you'll approach midterm revision better when you get yourself pumped up |
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| 09:05.19 | kblin | MarkieMark1: I'm at 5kg weight for my left arm this week, and I weight a little more than that |
| 09:05.40 | MarkieMark1 | kblin: I see, you were injured? |
| 09:05.41 | kblin | MarkieMark1: as soon as I'm allowed to use the arm for pushups, I'll join in |
| 09:05.51 | kblin | yeah, dislocated the elbow |
| 09:05.56 | MarkieMark1 | ouch |
| 09:06.19 | Landon | MarkieMark1: well right now it's one less excuse to procrastinate with |
| 09:06.38 | Landon | (now that I've put exercise on hold) |
| 09:07.00 | kblin | the most annoying part is that it's been two months now, and I still can't fully move the arm again :/ |
| 09:07.28 | MarkieMark1 | well it looks as though our team has injury matters to attend to; let's hope we're in shape for August; |
| 09:07.50 | kblin | hehe |
| 09:08.14 | Landon | is flying starships right now |
| 09:08.19 | Landon | and you've gotta be in good shape to fly those, right? |
| 09:08.22 | Landon | ;) |
| 09:08.31 | Landon | therefore, I am in good shape |
| 09:08.31 | Landon | :D |
| 09:08.33 | Landon | haha |
| 09:08.55 | MarkieMark1 | I would say the objective is people saying 'look at those intelligent blokes, muscular, handsome too" although I hear from discussion at the gsoc list that referring to one's physical attributes in connection with one's intelligence may be inappropriate :) |
| 09:09.15 | Landon | yeah, shame on you ;) |
| 09:11.06 | Landon | heh, put ads on my facebook app |
| 09:11.11 | Landon | in the past ... 6 hours |
| 09:11.15 | Landon | I've earned 2 cents :) |
| 09:11.28 | Landon | payout is at $50, good thing this is also a link exchange |
| 09:13.47 | lifeeth | 625 days for getting 50$ :P |
| 09:13.53 | MarkieMark1 | I, however, feel that it makes me feel good to think that not only am I now capable of as many pressups per day as I've ever been capable of, I'm working highly efficiently at my gsoc project - the original project only needs reviewing now - so putting the work into making myself a more capable person all round is worth a touch of self-esteem |
| 09:14.21 | Lennie | gives MarkieMark1 a pet on the back |
| 09:14.40 | Landon | hrm |
| 09:14.48 | Landon | committed a few "simple" changes to my app without testing |
| 09:14.55 | Landon | lo and behold it's segfaulting now |
| 09:14.56 | Landon | cmon |
| 09:15.04 | Landon | thats not even fair punishment for not testing |
| 09:15.09 | Landon | it's python for crying out loud! |
| 09:15.13 | lifeeth | :D |
| 09:15.39 | MarkieMark1 | thanks Lennie :) |
| 09:15.41 | Landon | sadly, not the first time I've had pthon stuff segfault on me >.< |
| 09:15.58 | MarkieMark1 | should write in c, it happens all the time :) |
| 09:16.16 | Landon | psh C |
| 09:16.19 | Landon | I've found my two languages |
| 09:16.24 | Landon | and I'm not gonna budge for anything |
| 09:16.25 | Landon | :P |
| 09:16.28 | Landon | assembly and python |
| 09:16.59 | MarkieMark1 | well for assembly I've got a very good translator who'll assist me for free :) |
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| 09:18.12 | MarkieMark1 | do you think there are as many jobs in python as in Java? |
| 09:19.22 | Landon | no idea ;) |
| 09:19.31 | kblin | ew, java |
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| 09:19.41 | Landon | I'm in computer engineering though, so if I don't end up wliving the dream and working for myself I'll be doing aslow level stuff anyways |
| 09:19.41 | Landon | :D |
| 09:20.37 | MarkieMark1 | kblin: well it's less the "niceness" of the language, than how in demand it is in the workplace |
| 09:20.45 | Lennie | don't b.... on java :) |
| 09:21.29 | Lennie | pitches his tent and prepares for the assault |
| 09:22.29 | MarkieMark1 | I'd have to say that the way it looks to me, even though I am ophidiophobic so have hardly looked into python really, python is an improved version of Java |
| 09:22.50 | MarkieMark1 | puts up sandbags :) |
| 09:22.54 | Landon | heh :P |
| 09:22.57 | Landon | that's saying something |
| 09:23.02 | Lennie | they both have their own thing |
| 09:23.17 | Lennie | I frequently use both of them |
| 09:23.41 | makmanalp | Lennie: even though there are lots of people who are excellent that use java, it's undeniable that it has a cult following among sub-par programmers too |
| 09:24.04 | Lennie | makmanalp: they have to start somewhere right? |
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| 09:24.12 | Lennie | Python gives you more raw control |
| 09:24.35 | Lennie | where I find that Java allows for more structure in your code |
| 09:25.01 | makmanalp | Lennie: well, what annoys me is not people being beginners, but people who read a book on a subject and then claim they're experts on it when there are whole worlds to discover |
| 09:25.07 | makmanalp | this is what i've been seeing |
| 09:25.13 | Landon | I equate java/C# and all that stuff to a cult :) you don't do things exatly how they like it and it blows up in your face for no good reason |
| 09:25.28 | MarkieMark1 | heh :) |
| 09:25.28 | Landon | of course |
| 09:25.29 | Landon | I'm just grumpy |
| 09:25.34 | Landon | after a data structures course in C# |
| 09:25.38 | Lennie | makmanalp: hmm, I haven't seen much of them yet |
| 09:25.47 | Landon | when it could have just as easily been python, considering that's what the intro to programming was taught in |
| 09:26.06 | makmanalp | Lennie: you must be hanging out with the right crowd then. check out public job boards for example |
| 09:26.10 | Lennie | Landon: datastructure in C# lol, that should be C just to give you more feeling of what is going on D: |
| 09:26.24 | Lennie | Landon: I can imagine the grumpiness :) |
| 09:26.26 | Landon | yeah I'd have preferred that to C# even |
| 09:26.34 | Landon | python would have made that class ez-mode though |
| 09:26.36 | Landon | learn the structures |
| 09:26.43 | Landon | instead of struggling with the language choice |
| 09:27.00 | makmanalp | Lennie: also, as a sidenote, java's structure is great for what audience it's targeting (corporate) since it makes it easier when more than 20 programmers are working on the same codebase |
| 09:27.01 | Lennie | my datastructures class was in C and ASM |
| 09:27.07 | Lennie | also we used Haskell |
| 09:27.22 | Lennie | makmanalp: sounds about right |
| 09:27.28 | Landon | Lennie: of course, thsi was in the computer science department ;) most of them had never even heard of a pointer yet likely |
| 09:27.45 | Lennie | Landon: are you joking me :)? |
| 09:27.54 | Landon | all the fun low level stuff has been shifted to EECE |
| 09:28.18 | Lennie | that's just a waste |
| 09:28.29 | Landon | maybe a few exceptions higher up, but nothing lower than 300 level courses that touch pointers I don't believe |
| 09:28.29 | Lennie | they should teach you some basics in CS |
| 09:28.49 | Landon | this is unfair to the intro to programming teacher though |
| 09:28.51 | makmanalp | Landon: that kind of sucks, to be honest. it'd make more sense of both majors could take the classes, but it makes no sense to move classes between majors since people don't switch back and forth between majors |
| 09:28.52 | Landon | he explained a lot of low level stuff |
| 09:28.58 | Landon | like what a kernel was |
| 09:29.02 | Landon | how data is represented in memory |
| 09:29.06 | Landon | but we never had to work with it |
| 09:35.10 | Lennie | hmm |
| 09:35.16 | Lennie | which is kind of a shame I guess |
| 09:37.32 | Lennie | I think a firewall issue is at play her |
| 09:37.34 | Lennie | here |
| 09:37.36 | Lennie | oops |
| 09:37.37 | Lennie | ^_^ |
| 09:37.56 | Lennie | (needs to get used to his new IRC client) |
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| 09:39.25 | Landon | well at least the segfault isnt a completely stupid error |
| 09:39.31 | Landon | must be a completely stupid hard to track down error |
| 09:39.32 | Landon | :D |
| 09:39.35 | Landon | the better kind |
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| 18:29.28 | kblin | sighs |
| 18:29.51 | kblin | interesting how hard easy things can be if your tools suck |
| 18:31.05 | Mkop | unless you're talking about vacuuming |
| 18:31.16 | Mkop | then easy things are hard when your tools don't suck |
| 18:31.21 | johang | I see what you did there |
| 18:31.31 | Mkop | and I'm not even gonna start with the other direction this could go |
| 18:31.32 | johang | anyone watching the game? |
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| 18:32.48 | kblin | what game? |
| 18:33.23 | johang | confederations cup final |
| 18:33.33 | kblin | ah.. not me :) |
| 18:35.04 | johang | anyway, usa will get beaten by brazil |
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| 18:39.15 | kblin | I'm kind of surprised they got as far as they got anyway |
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| 18:43.50 | johang | I retract my previous statement. US just scored 1-0. |
| 18:47.51 | kblin | hm, that doesn't say much yet |
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| 18:57.38 | dan4dm | hi folks, are there people around who can give some suggestions to a potential mentoring org? |
| 19:00.46 | dan4dm | or should i call back during office hours? ;) |
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| 19:05.36 | Mkop | dan4dm: hang around and wait |
| 19:05.43 | dan4dm | thx |
| 19:06.06 | Mkop | i.e. I have no idea, but others might, so wait for them to show up (if they do) |
| 19:06.24 | smtms | dan4dm, you want suggestions on how to be selected for a GSoC mentoring org? |
| 19:06.44 | dan4dm | smtms: yes, that's right |
| 19:07.18 | Mkop | it seems a bit early to be thinking about that |
| 19:07.50 | smtms | Mkop, it's never early |
| 19:08.04 | smtms | it is occasionally late though |
| 19:08.24 | dan4dm | yes, hard to remember to get things together at the right point in the cycle.... |
| 19:08.48 | smtms | dan4dm, step 1: read mentoring orgs selection criteria; step 2: get to know Leslie and make sure she's got good impressions :-) |
| 19:09.20 | Mkop | is leslie the one who decides everything? or is it more a committee thing? |
| 19:09.24 | smtms | I expect Kai to share more insight |
| 19:09.40 | dan4dm | ok, so i'm a dev for supercollider - GPL audio programming environment - question is: do we need a named "organisation" other than our dev community? (named individuals yes, but is a concrete org needed?) |
| 19:10.11 | smtms | no need to have formal organisation AFAIK |
| 19:10.32 | dan4dm | and who is this all-important leslie? |
| 19:10.48 | smtms | dan4dm, the GSoC girl |
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| 19:11.11 | smtms | dan4dm, try using the G in GSoC to find more about her ;-) |
| 19:11.48 | dan4dm | smtms: aha! "Leslie's Swimming Pool Supplies ;) |
| 19:11.49 | Mkop | lh is the boss of all things gsoc |
| 19:12.01 | Mkop | leslie hawthorne |
| 19:13.26 | Ivanovic | !lh |
| 19:13.26 | socinfo | "lh" is Leslie Hawthorn, Program Manager - Open Source; Geek Herder extraordinaire. This is who you turn to if you have very specific questions about GSoC whose answer applies only to you. |
| 19:13.58 | dzhus | Geek Herder :) |
| 19:14.14 | dan4dm | thanks all! |
| 19:14.44 | dan4dm | socinfo: thanks for the subtle hint not to ask leslie questions that are in the faq :) |
| 19:14.44 | socinfo | Error: "thanks" is not a valid command. |
| 19:15.34 | Mkop | lol |
| 19:15.42 | Mkop | I should adopt that as a slogan. |
| 19:15.49 | Mkop | "thanks" is not a valid command |
| 19:16.41 | dzhus | socinfo: socinfo: |
| 19:16.41 | socinfo | Error: "socinfo:" is not a valid command. |
| 19:17.55 | dan4dm | if anyone here would care to glance at our draft ideaspage, i'd be grateful for fdbk http://supercollider.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/GSoC/Ideas |
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| 19:30.09 | dan4dm | well thanks for the advice folks. btw is it mainly gsoc students in here, mentors, googlefolks? |
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| 19:34.43 | Mkop | a mix |
| 19:34.51 | Mkop | there's very little activity in here |
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| 19:41.41 | dan4dm | i see. i was deceived by the high-ish number of idents in here, they're all asleep i guess |
| 19:41.52 | Mkop | yep |
| 19:42.06 | Mkop | around application time there was a LOT of activity here |
| 19:42.16 | Mkop | but now, there's not much |
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| 19:43.02 | dan4dm | ok, thanks again folks and goodnight |
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| 20:39.08 | kblin | sighs |
| 20:39.32 | kblin | ok, the lego mindstorms software is completely, utterly brain dead |
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| 20:42.05 | kblin | goest to look into setting up bricxCC |
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| 20:43.10 | smtms | kblin, can you replace it? :-) |
| 20:43.23 | kblin | I'm trying to look into that |
| 20:43.46 | kblin | I've been trying to write a simple program all evening, and the lego software keeps sabotaging me |
| 20:44.13 | kblin | as soon as you need to pass data around using these funny wire things, it's misbehaving |
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| 21:24.30 | kblin | hmm |
| 21:25.52 | Mkop | kblin: what are you using lego for? |
| 21:25.58 | Mkop | or lego software? |
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| 21:35.55 | kblin | Mkop: building a lego nxt robot to collect stuff from under the bed |
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| 21:37.41 | Mkop | to get your dirty socks? |
| 21:37.50 | Mkop | are they _that_ disgusting that you won't touch them? |
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| 21:47.41 | kblin | nonsense.. it's a double bed, and stuff that fell down on the wall side is hard to get |
| 21:47.48 | kblin | anyway, bedtime for today |
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