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| 01:54.16 | ianmarcinkowski | anyone going to GUADEC this July? |
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| 02:05.02 | Inazad | Hello all ! |
| 02:05.28 | Inazad | does a canadian can apply to GSOC ? |
| 02:06.05 | Mkop1 | Inazad: yes |
| 02:06.11 | Mkop1 | applications start in about 11 months |
| 02:06.12 | ecin | Inazad: sure, but you'll have to wait until next year. :) |
| 02:06.21 | Inazad | Mkop1: yeah, I know |
| 02:06.59 | Inazad | but if I never coded a open source program, it is difficult or ? what is exactly GSOC ? what the students have to do |
| 02:07.30 | Inazad | do you guys have ever went to gsoc ? |
| 02:07.44 | Landon | Inazad: its the same as any other program :P |
| 02:07.48 | Mkop1 | !faq |
| 02:07.48 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 02:08.06 | Inazad | I've read it but I want personnal opinion |
| 02:08.09 | z4chh | what are these colorful books people are getting? |
| 02:08.13 | z4chh | haha |
| 02:08.34 | Inazad | someone has already participated to gsoc ? |
| 02:08.36 | Landon | coloful books? |
| 02:08.37 | Inazad | here ? |
| 02:08.54 | Landon | Inazad: there are quite a few of us in the channel that are in soc this summer |
| 02:09.22 | ianmarcinkowski | Landon: the red diaries |
| 02:09.54 | Landon | saywhaA |
| 02:09.57 | Inazad | how its work ? do you have a place to couch or ? |
| 02:10.00 | Inazad | where it is |
| 02:10.08 | Landon | at home |
| 02:10.14 | r0bby | I think i'm addicted to irc |
| 02:10.23 | Inazad | at home ? |
| 02:10.31 | Landon | thats where you do it |
| 02:10.39 | Inazad | I'm living in Canada |
| 02:10.55 | ianmarcinkowski | r0bby: I may start being addicted to IRC |
| 02:10.56 | r0bby | Inazad: some of us ARE in Soc |
| 02:11.06 | Inazad | r0bby: ok then ? |
| 02:11.10 | Mkop1 | r0bby: I'm definitely addicted |
| 02:11.10 | r0bby | and I participated prior |
| 02:11.17 | Inazad | ok |
| 02:11.30 | Inazad | r0bby: so what is it ? you are coding at home or dunno ? |
| 02:11.47 | Inazad | there is meeting each week, how does it work with the mentor |
| 02:11.49 | r0bby | Yes |
| 02:11.53 | r0bby | I code at home |
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| 02:12.01 | r0bby | communicate w/ my mentor via skype and email |
| 02:12.01 | Inazad | and where is the program |
| 02:12.07 | ianmarcinkowski | i code sitting at home, on the porch, at the library |
| 02:12.16 | r0bby | I code sitting in PJs :D |
| 02:12.18 | Inazad | ok we don't have to move for all the summer, we can stay at home |
| 02:12.24 | thebolt | Inazad: it does not have a physical location |
| 02:12.38 | Inazad | ohh ok, i'm thinking its like a summer camp lol |
| 02:12.41 | thebolt | its all handled (pretty much) online and distributed |
| 02:12.45 | r0bby | last year we had: "0659 GSOC 2009 Student" on my prepaid card :) |
| 02:12.53 | r0bby | 2008* |
| 02:12.53 | Landon | r0bby: you dont wanna know where I code! |
| 02:12.57 | Inazad | r0bby: what is it |
| 02:13.03 | r0bby | Inazad: it's how we get paid |
| 02:13.14 | r0bby | they load money onto a prepaid card we get at the start of the progra, |
| 02:13.25 | r0bby | Landon: BAD BAD BAD |
| 02:13.35 | r0bby | thou shall not do stuff while there! |
| 02:13.46 | Landon | oh |
| 02:13.50 | Landon | s/where/how/ |
| 02:14.01 | r0bby | Just don't call me while doing things in there |
| 02:14.09 | Landon | like I'd call you at all :P |
| 02:14.18 | r0bby | I'm r0bby |
| 02:14.21 | r0bby | you'd call me |
| 02:14.25 | r0bby | shakes fist |
| 02:14.56 | Inazad | r0bby: they ship it to your home ? |
| 02:15.08 | Inazad | and you widthrawal the cash when you want ? |
| 02:15.10 | r0bby | yeh whereever you give them, i gave them my dad's office |
| 02:15.12 | ianmarcinkowski | don't we sign something saying that we will refrain from producing code while in the USA? |
| 02:15.15 | r0bby | using an ATM |
| 02:15.27 | Inazad | and you get 4,500$ ? |
| 02:15.29 | r0bby | ianmarcinkowski: only an international statement |
| 02:15.31 | ianmarcinkowski | (unless we live in the US) |
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| 02:15.33 | ianmarcinkowski | :) |
| 02:15.37 | z4chh | id say that irc can be a good addiction |
| 02:15.42 | r0bby | ianmarcinkowski: well they hold the $4000 hostage |
| 02:15.51 | r0bby | er Inazad |
| 02:16.12 | r0bby | $2000 iff your mentor feels you're doing a good job at midterm and the same at the end. |
| 02:16.19 | Inazad | ok |
| 02:16.24 | r0bby | go read the faq :) |
| 02:16.31 | r0bby | biggest pet peeve of mine |
| 02:16.51 | Inazad | do we have to be an expert of programming ? |
| 02:17.01 | r0bby | You have to know what you're doing |
| 02:17.08 | Inazad | okay |
| 02:17.18 | r0bby | ie know the language you're gonna code in |
| 02:17.19 | z4chh | Inazad, you have to get done what you say you are going to get done ;p |
| 02:17.32 | z4chh | sounds like a redneck |
| 02:17.40 | r0bby | if you dont, guess what you not only dont get paid, but you get booted out of the program |
| 02:17.44 | Inazad | how its works ? you have a list of ideas to implement into a program ? |
| 02:17.46 | ianmarcinkowski | Inazad: where in Canada are you? |
| 02:17.48 | r0bby | and no t-shirt! |
| 02:17.53 | Inazad | ianmarcinkowski: qc |
| 02:17.56 | z4chh | no t-shirt OMG o_o |
| 02:18.00 | z4chh | i would die |
| 02:18.02 | ianmarcinkowski | Inazad: :) |
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| 02:18.05 | r0bby | Inazad: you have a project, you complete that |
| 02:18.47 | Inazad | r0bby: what kind of project did you have ? |
| 02:18.48 | r0bby | jesus I need to get writing before my meds knock me out |
| 02:18.48 | Inazad | ianmarcinkowski: why ? |
| 02:18.48 | r0bby | which is gonna have in ~15 mins |
| 02:18.48 | ianmarcinkowski | Inazad: I'm in Hamilton, ON |
| 02:18.52 | Inazad | ianmarcinkowski: cool, have you ever participated to SOC ? |
| 02:18.55 | ianmarcinkowski | *waves to a fellow Canadian* |
| 02:19.03 | ianmarcinkowski | Inazad: i'm participating this summer |
| 02:19.10 | Inazad | ianmarcinkowski: private ? |
| 02:19.11 | ianmarcinkowski | i'm working on a project for Gnome |
| 02:19.54 | Inazad | r0bby: you're working on linux I hope ;-) |
| 02:20.11 | z4chh | gnome is the shit |
| 02:20.49 | z4chh | although ive just recently been using after a long, fruitless journey with kde3 and eventually going to hell with kd4 |
| 02:21.04 | z4chh | kde4* |
| 02:21.19 | z4chh | xfce owns all though |
| 02:21.35 | r0bby | Inazad: Vista |
| 02:21.37 | Inazad | xfce or fluxbox ;-) |
| 02:21.48 | r0bby | http://openmrs.org/wiki/Facility_Data_Module |
| 02:21.50 | Inazad | r0bby: you,re running on Vista for a Open Source Program ? |
| 02:21.59 | Inazad | itsn't ironical lol |
| 02:22.13 | z4chh | ive never tried fluxbox, openbox...all those less popular ones |
| 02:22.26 | z4chh | damn band wagon |
| 02:22.31 | r0bby | it's even more ironic at a gsoc meetup, we threw around an MS branded frisbee and didn't burn it |
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| 02:22.46 | z4chh | r0bby, where'd you meet up? |
| 02:22.54 | r0bby | z4chh: in NYC |
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| 02:23.03 | Inazad | r0bby: lol |
| 02:23.05 | r0bby | we've been talking about it on the meetups list for weeks now |
| 02:23.12 | z4chh | awesome...i don't really live near any gsoc'ers it seems |
| 02:23.30 | r0bby | z4chh: you never know |
| 02:23.39 | r0bby | post to the meetups list you have past and present gsoc'ers |
| 02:23.41 | z4chh | r0bby, rofl....MS branded frisbee...that is SOOOO wrong |
| 02:23.49 | r0bby | it wasn't mine! |
| 02:24.19 | z4chh | but you threw it o_O |
| 02:24.33 | r0bby | That's kinda how you use a frisbee |
| 02:24.34 | r0bby | :P |
| 02:24.41 | r0bby | shoulda thrown it into the road |
| 02:24.45 | ianmarcinkowski | z4chh: gnome-soc-meetups@googlegroups.com |
| 02:25.04 | r0bby | google-soc-meetups@googlegroups.com also |
| 02:25.35 | r0bby | I started it last year, lh is in charge now |
| 02:25.36 | z4chh | yes you should have thrown it on the road on "accident" ;p |
| 02:25.38 | r0bby | it became rather official |
| 02:25.47 | r0bby | z4chh: i'm not that bad :) |
| 02:25.52 | r0bby | we had fun w/ it |
| 02:26.04 | z4chh | because it was MS? |
| 02:26.06 | r0bby | my leg is still killing me frm playting soccer |
| 02:26.18 | r0bby | anyways |
| 02:26.20 | r0bby | time to code |
| 02:26.28 | z4chh | these gsoc meetups except for the frisbee from hell make me jealous |
| 02:26.40 | r0bby | the frisbee wasn't that bad |
| 02:26.44 | r0bby | it had HP on it too |
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| 02:26.53 | z4chh | lame :P |
| 02:27.01 | r0bby | we had a giggle over it, then played |
| 02:27.06 | z4chh | i can't really trashtalk hp |
| 02:27.14 | z4chh | they have some decent *nix support |
| 02:27.17 | z4chh | with some things... |
| 02:27.22 | r0bby | z4chh: post to the meetups list, that's how ours started, a guy posted |
| 02:27.53 | z4chh | kk thanks |
| 02:28.15 | r0bby | http://groups.google.com/group/google-soc-meetups?hl=en |
| 02:28.18 | r0bby | if you're not a member |
| 02:28.27 | r0bby | it's a public list, be warned |
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| 04:29.17 | liu | hi, all. is it a secure way to login the myecount.com by a proxy? I can't login 'cause the slow connection speed here:( |
| 04:36.20 | allisterb_ | liu I doubt going through any kind of proxy is secure for bank transactions |
| 04:36.44 | liu | thanks allisterb_:) |
| 04:37.34 | allisterb_ | Is it me or does ecount.com look really strange |
| 04:38.14 | ian_mac | my connection is pretty quick |
| 04:38.18 | allisterb_ | doesn't even have any id in the certificate |
| 04:38.20 | ian_mac | if you give me your account details |
| 04:38.23 | ian_mac | i'll do it for you |
| 04:38.33 | ian_mac | we can set up a secure chat |
| 04:38.40 | ian_mac | :) |
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| 05:09.17 | Landon | I'm down to 15kb/s it seems D: |
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| 05:52.30 | Landon | I think theres a pretty good chance the exrecise app wont update correctly today |
| 05:52.33 | Landon | but I'm too lazy to fix it |
| 05:52.35 | Landon | :P |
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| 09:04.07 | ochot | Yay! My package arrived. Too bad I won't be home for another week to unpack it :-/ |
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| 09:15.18 | gitte | Any mentor here who can assist me morally? |
| 09:16.24 | kblin | gitte: I can try |
| 09:16.30 | gitte | kblin: thanks |
| 09:17.12 | gitte | Situation is the following: org has 3 students, 2 of them chose to start from the day they were accepted, learning the conventions of the project, writing their diary, communicating frequently both via IRC and mail. |
| 09:17.41 | kblin | and one doesn't? |
| 09:17.51 | gitte | Those 2 students produced good code, some of which needs refactoring, but the coding style now conforms to the conventions, and everything is going on nicely. |
| 09:18.11 | Chainsaw | So you have two communicators and a lone worker, gitte? |
| 09:18.26 | gitte | The one other student wrote already in the application that he would have exams until May 7th, so he would not be able to start before that. |
| 09:19.00 | gitte | That student was not to be seen on IRC or Mail during the time, and a day after his exams, he said he was so stressed with the exams, he would like to have 5 days off. |
| 09:19.18 | gitte | Of course I said: sure, go ahead, rest, and then let's just quickstart the project. |
| 09:19.59 | gitte | (Because there is some stuff to learn, like, how to operate the version control system, what coding style is expected, and what is expected in terms of communication, etc) |
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| 09:20.26 | kblin | nods |
| 09:20.42 | gitte | Now, 5 days later, he does not come back, but a couple of days after that, I get an email saying that the internet provider fscked up, and this is written in an internet cafe. |
| 09:21.30 | gitte | It was an on-and-off communication ever since, pretty frustrating for me, because I was basically waiting (and writing informative mails in the meantime) for the student. |
| 09:22.13 | kblin | hmm, I sense a dog-ate-my-homework issue coming up |
| 09:22.42 | gitte | Yesterday, he said he could only come on online (IRC) today at 5pm (1:30pm my time), and I replied that this is pretty sad, as I cannot be online that time, and that it seems that our communication is very disrupted. |
| 09:23.02 | gitte | After sleeping over it, it finally clicked, and I suspected that he has a day-job. |
| 09:23.24 | gitte | Before I could ask him via email, he wrote a mail saying so. |
| 09:23.36 | gitte | This is the first time I heard that he has taken on another job. |
| 09:23.43 | kblin | ditch him.. what a jerk |
| 09:23.48 | gitte | He wrote, too, that I should not give up on him. |
| 09:24.01 | gitte | That he would work on GSoC 6pm-2am every day and the weekends. |
| 09:24.14 | kblin | seriously, experience shows that doesn't work |
| 09:24.21 | gitte | Last weekend, he actually managed to get some coding done, but I got to see it only yesterday. |
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| 09:24.51 | gitte | Had he communicated with me earlier, I could have pointed out all kinds of errors that lead to a lot of problems that he was struggling with. |
| 09:25.14 | gitte | What makes me really almost angry is that we had 7(!) applicants for said project. |
| 09:25.31 | gitte | kblin: thanks for your support. |
| 09:25.45 | kblin | if he's got a day job 9-5 and then does gsoc 6-2, he's not going to produce the required quality code in the required time |
| 09:25.52 | kblin | not any reasonable amount |
| 09:25.54 | gitte | It does not help that I sank 20-30 hours into that student. |
| 09:26.13 | gitte | (Not into stuff I can reuse to do the project myself) |
| 09:26.15 | kblin | the documents on what gsoc is about clearly state that gsoc is a full-time job |
| 09:26.38 | gitte | kblin: yes, but the rules have been bent before, and the projects _were_ successful. |
| 09:26.49 | gitte | remembers a mail thread last year on the mentor mailing list. |
| 09:27.13 | kblin | really? I'd bet that most students who tried to do this were dropped |
| 09:27.54 | kblin | I know that samba had to drop a student last year who thought he could pull it off, realized he couldn't and quit |
| 09:27.59 | gitte | kblin: Frankly, had he told me beforehand, I would have tried to make it possible for him. |
| 09:28.11 | gitte | He would have had to start early, of course, to ensure success of the project. |
| 09:28.14 | Mek | I more or less had another job besides my gsoc project last year, but I wouldn't recomend it... (and if I would have been my own mentor I probably would have dropped me) |
| 09:28.15 | gitte | Instead, he started _late_. |
| 09:28.33 | gitte | Mek: have you stayed with the organization after the summer? |
| 09:28.48 | Mek | yes |
| 09:28.53 | gitte | Mek: good! |
| 09:29.29 | gitte | Mek: I wonder how many students realize that the mentors invest a lot of time, and would like to retain the students by way of reaping in the fruits of their labor |
| 09:29.55 | gitte | kblin: thank you, your support really helps. |
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| 09:29.59 | kblin | gitte: there might be some exceptions to this, but I'd say in general most students can't pull off gsoc and a job |
| 09:30.21 | kblin | some really bright cookies might, and some very dedicated ones might as well |
| 09:30.24 | dennda | Hi. I just set up a PIN for my card, does this automatically activate ATM usability? |
| 09:30.34 | gitte | kblin: and even if they don't get burnt out by the end of it, they are likely to have grown an emotional barrier to continuing with the org, right? |
| 09:30.48 | gitte | dennda: wrong channel? |
| 09:31.04 | kblin | gitte: nope.. gsoc payment stuff |
| 09:31.06 | Landon | dennda: you can always try it |
| 09:31.07 | Landon | but I'd give it a day |
| 09:31.19 | dennda | Landon: well it's $0.00 at the moment anyway |
| 09:31.23 | gitte | dennda, kblin: oh, okay. |
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| 09:31.49 | gitte | was not aware that payment is done via cards this year. |
| 09:31.54 | kblin | gitte: but the communication you had with the student doesn't seem to hint he's very dedicated |
| 09:32.11 | gitte | kblin: well, he was online more than others during the application period. |
| 09:34.27 | kblin | the "don't give up on me yet" sounds more like a "keep paying me" |
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| 09:35.23 | gitte | kblin: right. |
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| 09:35.52 | gitte | kblin: I mean, he did some coding, consistent with what he says now about his day-job obligations. |
| 09:37.08 | kblin | gitte: sorry, currently in the train between fulda and kassel, lots of tunnels,bad gprs signD[D[D[D[D[Dal. |
| 09:37.26 | kblin | hm, qed.. |
| 09:37.31 | gitte | kblin: oh yes, I remember that route... |
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| 09:39.34 | kblin | anyway, I think if the communication is painful like this, and the student doesn't really talk to you and fix up his workflow, I'd still say ditch him |
| 09:39.51 | gitte | kblin: well, he just replied to me in a very timely manner. |
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| 09:40.10 | dennda | Landon: but in general, just having a pin should already activate the atm capabilities of the card? (because that's how I want to withdraw money from it) |
| 09:40.12 | gitte | kblin: there's nothing like a threat of failing the student to shift gears there. |
| 09:40.15 | kblin | hm, I'd say give hime another week or two, tops |
| 09:40.16 | dennda | (cash) |
| 09:40.43 | Landon | dennda: yeah |
| 09:40.53 | dennda | ok thanks |
| 09:41.26 | kblin | gitte: if communication and code deliverd gets into an acceptable shape and level by then, keep him, if not, ditch him |
| 09:42.20 | gitte | kblin: I am hesitant to sink more time and energy into a project that I would have done by now if I had invested it into writing the code myself. |
| 09:42.55 | kblin | gitte: I'm currently faced with a similar decision. My student told me he'd be busy until the 22nd and could only get started after that, but failed to turn up this week with the obligatory weekly report |
| 09:44.28 | kblin | it sounds like you invested more time than I did so far, so the dicision is a bit ore difficult |
| 09:45.14 | kblin | I still doubt the student will be able to keep up two jobs at a reasonable level for the whole coding period |
| 09:46.11 | kblin | and I'd be really surprised if he'd keep working on the project after gsoc |
| 09:46.27 | gitte | kblin: right. |
| 09:46.32 | utopianheaven | is that the norm for gsoc stuffs? |
| 09:46.44 | gitte | utopianheaven: what? to work on two jobs at the same time? |
| 09:46.48 | gitte | utopianheaven: hell, no. |
| 09:46.48 | utopianheaven | no, that projects getting dropped as soon as the summer is over? |
| 09:47.17 | kblin | well, as a mentor I try to select students who might stay around |
| 09:47.17 | gitte | utopianheaven: unfortunately, my experience is that yes, more than 50% of the students just walk away with what they learnt, never to return. |
| 09:47.20 | utopianheaven | i thoguht there was something in the SoC ToS that purcludes a second full time job |
| 09:47.36 | gitte | utopianheaven: well, that is not completely true: two students actually came back this year, promising to work more, for money. |
| 09:47.43 | utopianheaven | precludes* |
| 09:48.07 | gitte | utopianheaven: IOW they were part of the GSoC projects only as long as money flowed, and then they just laughed at the time and energy investment of their mentors. |
| 09:48.09 | kblin | gitte: well, I have to admit that's what I did in my first year as welll |
| 09:48.50 | gitte | kblin: in your first year, you did not apply for a second paid summer, no, you didn't. |
| 09:48.52 | kblin | gitte: because getting my code committed took me like three frustrating months after gsoc, and I was just through with that damn project |
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| 09:48.58 | utopianheaven | gitte: that's sad to hear |
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| 09:49.09 | gitte | utopianheaven: yes, but rules with Google are more flexible than anywhere else: they are not rule nazis |
| 09:49.27 | kblin | gitte: no, but I walked away and only turned back up again on the second year |
| 09:50.17 | kblin | of course if they had been using git in 2005 already, life would have been so much easier |
| 09:51.24 | gitte | kblin: it does not help that a certain committer is a real a** when it comes to helping people get their patches in. |
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| 09:51.38 | gitte | kblin: see also a recent Slashdot post. |
| 09:51.38 | kblin | yeah, well, there's that |
| 09:51.42 | kblin | bah |
| 09:51.55 | gitte | kblin: I think he does not realize just how badly he handles things. |
| 09:51.58 | kblin | slashdot.. |
| 09:52.46 | kblin | that guy posted a "mozilla should fork" story before |
| 09:53.23 | kblin | and the "core developers" he's talking about don't seem to exist |
| 09:53.43 | gitte | kblin: well, Schachar had an informed comment. |
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| 09:53.48 | kblin | arguably you probably don't stay around to become a core developer if you can't deal with the management style |
| 09:54.05 | gitte | kblin: while he is not a "core developer", he could have been. If it were not for you know what. |
| 09:54.29 | gitte | kblin: I would not call the absence of management a "style". |
| 09:54.37 | gitte | kblin: brushing off people is never good. |
| 09:55.14 | kblin | it's a dictatorship. not sure on the benevolent part ;) |
| 09:55.36 | gitte | kblin: it is a serious amount of incompetence in self-reflection. |
| 09:56.20 | kblin | actually the biggest problem most people complain about is that patches are dropped without comment |
| 09:56.37 | gitte | kblin: that's what I mean. |
| 09:56.50 | gitte | kblin: management is not about committing or merging. |
| 09:57.09 | gitte | kblin: it is just a serious lack of respect. |
| 09:57.21 | gitte | kblin: breaking the golden rule, like. |
| 09:57.25 | MaNI | gitte, what project are you, wine? |
| 09:57.31 | gitte | MaNI: nope. |
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| 10:07.34 | kblin | anyway |
| 10:08.07 | kblin | utopianheaven: I think the real issue is that gsoc pays too well ;) |
| 10:08.26 | gitte | kblin: I wonder if the student keeps replying that fast now... |
| 10:08.44 | kblin | of course it has to, so people can actually work full-time |
| 10:09.02 | kblin | gitte: that's why I said give it another week :) |
| 10:09.24 | gitte | kblin: right. And I gave him all reasons to either give up or try _very_ hard. |
| 10:09.50 | kblin | nods |
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| 10:13.28 | kblin | ok, time for me to get out of the train, bbl |
| 10:13.55 | gitte | CU! |
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| 10:15.04 | kblin | gitte: good luck with your student |
| 10:15.18 | kblin | the other issue will have to wait for the next conference :) |
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| 10:16.56 | gitte | kblin: heh. |
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| 13:23.05 | makmanalp | anyone else get the neat notebook / stickers / card yet ? :) |
| 13:24.32 | t0ms | makmanalp: I've just received the package from fedex |
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| 13:24.47 | makmanalp | yeah, 10 minutes ago here |
| 13:24.50 | t0ms | like 10min ago :D |
| 13:24.53 | makmanalp | haha |
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| 13:25.05 | t0ms | makmanalp: where are you from ? |
| 13:25.23 | makmanalp | istanbul, turkey |
| 13:25.38 | t0ms | :) |
| 13:25.40 | makmanalp | coincidence? |
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| 13:26.14 | t0ms | probably, I'm from Slovakia :) |
| 13:26.27 | makmanalp | ah, okay |
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| 13:26.57 | makmanalp | i was thinking of getting one of these anyway, so it turned out to be a great gift |
| 13:27.02 | dzhus | http://www.flickr.com/photos/nothingpersonal/3570273722/ this morning :) |
| 13:27.03 | t0ms | :) |
| 13:27.20 | t0ms | my landline is down and I can't call the numer from my mobil phone |
| 13:27.30 | makmanalp | dzhus: ah, sweet! |
| 13:27.49 | makmanalp | t0ms: i'm going to leave the calling for tonight, after i get a few things done |
| 13:28.10 | makmanalp | dzhus: i like the 0-1 paper in the back :) |
| 13:28.15 | t0ms | dzhus: :) I got blue one :) |
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| 13:28.25 | makmanalp | hah, i got green too |
| 13:29.28 | dzhus | makmanalp: boolean functions cheatsheet :) |
| 13:29.41 | vegard | dzhus: neat! |
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| 13:29.53 | t0ms | makmanalp: what 0/1 paper? :) |
| 13:29.57 | makmanalp | dzhus: haha |
| 13:30.06 | makmanalp | t0ms: check out the photo dzhus sent, in the background |
| 13:30.12 | makmanalp | right side |
| 13:30.18 | t0ms | ahaa |
| 13:30.21 | t0ms | I see :) |
| 13:30.25 | ochot | t0ms: yup, I got mine too...too bad I won't be home for another week |
| 13:31.43 | makmanalp | ochot: :/ |
| 13:32.24 | ochot | aah well...I'll survive |
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| 13:42.55 | r0bby | fedex blows \ |
| 13:43.46 | literal | hm, can money be deposited onto the card? |
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| 13:47.09 | ojwb | google can, not sure if you can yourself |
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| 14:19.55 | MaNI | Landon, well your exercise app works for more then one day fine it seems |
| 14:19.57 | MaNI | although I am almost cripple now, this training program is tough :p |
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| 14:20.36 | Landon | MaNI: I fixed it up last night |
| 14:20.37 | Landon | :P |
| 14:20.53 | Landon | the commit log must be kind of amusing |
| 14:21.05 | Landon | I think I ended it up with "Fixing a bug that I fixed in the last commit. FML" |
| 14:26.19 | Mkop | lol |
| 14:26.35 | Mkop | I haven't done today's yet |
| 14:26.41 | Mkop | I'll do it this evening, I think |
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| 14:41.36 | summatusmentis | crap! I acidentally didn't change my shipping address when I left, and now FedEx won't change the final destination |
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| 14:43.56 | Landon | summatusmentis: doh |
| 14:44.08 | Landon | I'm in a somewhat similar predicament |
| 14:44.20 | Landon | unless the dorms figure out that the zipcode I wrote down is wrong |
| 14:44.22 | Landon | :P |
| 14:44.28 | summatusmentis | he |
| 14:44.31 | summatusmentis | heh* |
| 14:44.46 | summatusmentis | I'm just worried that once it gets delivered, I won't be able to get it back |
| 14:45.11 | Landon | I'm a little annoyed that its going to be playing tag with me |
| 14:45.21 | Landon | I doubt the dorms will use any sort of speedy service to forward it to me |
| 14:45.29 | Landon | and I'm moving *back* up to manhattan on the first |
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| 14:45.58 | Landon | time to read some more about ogre |
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| 14:48.01 | ojwb | ring them and ask them not to forward it? |
| 14:48.44 | ojwb | hmm, I accidentally type a sentence in to mutt |
| 14:48.48 | ojwb | I wonder what it's done |
| 14:49.04 | ojwb | it says "fee is not a mailbox" |
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| 14:51.40 | Landon | ojwb: couldve been worse |
| 14:51.51 | Landon | you could have typed a sentence in mutt and had half of it end up in vim |
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| 14:52.04 | literal | anyone else having problems logging into prepaid.citi.com ? |
| 14:52.14 | Landon | ojwb: also, thats work |
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| 14:53.45 | ojwb | vim has undo though |
| 14:54.10 | kblin | spearce`: ping |
| 14:54.16 | spearce` | eh? |
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| 14:54.42 | kblin | spearce: say, the andriod devs are using some code review tool, right? is that open source? |
| 14:54.52 | Landon | ojwb: there's no undo for :shsudo rm -rf / |
| 14:54.54 | Landon | ! |
| 14:54.54 | Landon | :P |
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| 14:55.04 | Landon | +password |
| 14:55.06 | spearce | kblin: yes. gerrit code review. http://code.google.com/p/gerrit/ |
| 14:55.14 | kblin | thanks :) |
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| 15:56.16 | z4chh | anyone in the us get their card yet? |
| 15:58.16 | summatusmentis | z4chh: mines supposed to arrive tomorrow (but in the wrong place) |
| 15:58.48 | z4chh | ouch |
| 15:58.55 | z4chh | i should get mine today |
| 15:59.10 | z4chh | and im wondering if it has been loaded with the initial amount yet ;p |
| 15:59.23 | summatusmentis | once you get it, it should be |
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| 16:00.12 | t0ms | z4chh: mine is loaded |
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| 16:00.22 | z4chh | cool |
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| 16:00.46 | z4chh | t0ms, where do you live? |
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| 16:01.14 | t0ms | z4chh: Slovakia |
| 16:01.41 | z4chh | hmm interesting...google must send out non-us first |
| 16:01.52 | z4chh | at least it seems |
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| 16:02.07 | t0ms | I have no idea how they are sending it |
| 16:02.42 | z4chh | t0ms, oh you don't have the card yet? you can register with citi before getting the card? |
| 16:02.53 | t0ms | z4chh: I do have the card |
| 16:03.00 | z4chh | ahh |
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| 16:03.07 | t0ms | I got it today |
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| 16:03.16 | t0ms | actually the courier was here yesterday |
| 16:03.23 | t0ms | but I was in another down |
| 16:03.26 | t0ms | town* |
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| 16:03.53 | t0ms | according to fedex it should have arrived next week tue |
| 16:04.32 | z4chh | i see |
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| 16:05.14 | t0ms | but somehow, it took only 4 days to transfer the packge from Google to my place |
| 16:05.19 | t0ms | package* |
| 16:05.34 | runasand | is still waiting |
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| 16:10.20 | deadbeef | hey guys |
| 16:10.33 | deadbeef | anyone knows when the ca$h will be moved on the cards? |
| 16:10.51 | runasand | deadbeef: I'm guessing they're waiting for everyone to receive their cards :) |
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| 16:12.06 | t0ms | runasand: no... :) |
| 16:12.16 | runasand | t0ms: oh :] |
| 16:12.22 | t0ms | the cash were on the card when I got it |
| 16:13.54 | deadbeef | +505.00 |
| 16:13.56 | deadbeef | yay :D |
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| 16:15.23 | deadbeef | wondering if there's a way to receive notifications on what happens to the card |
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| 16:17.57 | MaNI | you can set email/sms notification settings |
| 16:18.09 | MaNI | sms only seems to be for US numbers though |
| 16:19.41 | deadbeef | i activated email notifications but i didn't receive anything |
| 16:19.46 | deadbeef | i checked my spambox also |
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| 16:20.39 | MaNI | maybe they only process them at certain times or something and not immediately, not sure |
| 16:21.03 | makmanalp | ugh, i created the whole roadmap on google calendar only to realize that tasks aren't shareable :/ |
| 16:21.03 | MaNI | or maybe it is only for spending :( |
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| 16:48.59 | ajuonline | ladies and gentlemen, |
| 16:49.02 | ajuonline | how are you? |
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| 16:49.26 | runasand | had exam #6 today, so I'm good ;p |
| 16:50.09 | jboston | I'm in Canada and I just received the first payment. Just thought I throw that out there. |
| 16:51.20 | ajuonline | you mean you got the $505 already? |
| 16:51.39 | jboston | Yes. Today. |
| 16:52.07 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: worried about how I'm gonna get my card :) |
| 16:52.23 | summatusmentis | and stuck on mah codez |
| 16:53.28 | ajuonline | i am wondering, i was better not in college :P |
| 16:53.36 | ajuonline | but then I couldnt do SoC |
| 16:53.42 | ajuonline | so i cant complain much :D |
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| 17:01.12 | pollopolis | if i want to call to +1866-326-8689, Is it necessary to register in www.diamondcard.us? |
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| 17:05.52 | pollopolis | whit ekiga, forgot that :P |
| 17:07.12 | ajuonline | u dont have a free number this year? |
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| 17:07.33 | ajuonline | 1-800? |
| 17:07.52 | ajuonline | s/u/we |
| 17:08.08 | pollopolis | yes, 1-800-255-1115 |
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| 17:08.52 | ajuonline | use that? |
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| 17:14.02 | t0ms | ajuonline: works fine from Skype |
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| 17:15.15 | araujo | hi there |
| 17:15.29 | araujo | what is the phone number of Google to use in the cit form guys? |
| 17:15.32 | araujo | anyone knows? |
| 17:15.49 | kblin | look on the students lis |
| 17:15.51 | kblin | *list |
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| 17:19.23 | araujo | found it .. from previous gsoc |
| 17:19.24 | araujo | :P |
| 17:19.42 | ajuonline | its also in the FAQ |
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| 19:01.23 | summatusmentis | Landon: what're you using to syndicate your blag through facebook? |
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| 19:04.22 | ajuonline | dont you just put the link to the feed on fb? under notes. ? |
| 19:04.29 | summatusmentis | I just found that, yes |
| 19:05.24 | ajuonline | since when have you become fast at things? ;) |
| 19:05.56 | summatusmentis | harsh! |
| 19:06.01 | summatusmentis | since I'm procrastinating |
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| 19:08.03 | summatusmentis | now I need a way to add a link to my blog at the bottom of it |
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| 19:19.18 | martyfuhry | Anyone else unable to register their card? |
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| 19:53.51 | z4chh | yay got my stuff |
| 19:55.37 | ochot | z4chh: great, take a photo and share :-) |
| 19:55.57 | z4chh | got green btw |
| 19:56.12 | summatusmentis | also, has it been decided that it's actually a moleskine? or is it a similar product? |
| 19:56.21 | ochot | I have no idea what color I got, because I gave my parents instructions not to open the package :-) |
| 19:56.42 | ochot | it'll be a surprise one week from now |
| 19:56.46 | z4chh | i don't know what these books are for though ;p |
| 19:56.48 | ochot | summatusmentis: no idea |
| 19:56.57 | ochot | z4chh: note taking? :-) |
| 19:57.12 | ochot | or better yet: doodling! |
| 19:57.22 | summatusmentis | yeah, they're just books of paper, do whatever you want :) |
| 19:57.23 | z4chh | were programmers, we don't use pencil/paper ;p |
| 19:57.31 | z4chh | we're* |
| 19:57.34 | ochot | when you have nothing better to do during classes... |
| 19:58.06 | summatusmentis | some of us like pencil/paper for non-programmy things |
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| 19:59.28 | lcuk | z4chh, you dont need pencil and paper cos you are using liqbase |
| 19:59.32 | lcuk | its faster than paper :P |
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| 20:00.17 | summatusmentis | lcuk: bah! not as wide, you have to use the stupid nokia stylus, you can't just flip your implement over and erase... |
| 20:00.28 | summatusmentis | get back to me when those features are part of liqbase :-P |
| 20:01.03 | z4chh | paper is inferior anyways xD |
| 20:01.18 | lcuk | summatusmentis, apparantly the new nokia has tilt sensors lol |
| 20:01.22 | lcuk | so thats actually feasible :P |
| 20:01.29 | lcuk | and i stopped finger painting when i was about 5 |
| 20:01.47 | summatusmentis | tilt sensors? on the stylus? |
| 20:01.54 | lcuk | no on the device |
| 20:02.01 | z4chh | hmmm |
| 20:02.02 | lcuk | ahh you meant pen lol |
| 20:02.06 | z4chh | what should i do with the stickers |
| 20:02.09 | z4chh | laptop! |
| 20:02.13 | summatusmentis | yeah, sorry, writing implement |
| 20:02.14 | lcuk | i was thinking like an etcha sketch with shaking and turning over |
| 20:02.27 | allisterb__ | Anybody watching Champions League final? |
| 20:02.28 | summatusmentis | that could be cool, but significantly less precise :-P |
| 20:02.34 | lcuk | heh |
| 20:02.49 | lcuk | ok then - normal stylus pressure == pen |
| 20:02.53 | lcuk | finger == eraser |
| 20:03.04 | summatusmentis | :-) |
| 20:03.13 | summatusmentis | I'm just teasing you, liqbase is really cool |
| 20:03.25 | lcuk | im not - i like those ideas lol |
| 20:03.30 | lcuk | might put em in |
| 20:03.46 | MatthewWilkes | allisterb__: Saw the first few minutes, but am too busy to pay attention :( |
| 20:03.53 | lcuk | im seriously thinking about the accel and making liqbase screens slide downhill if the device is left at an angle |
| 20:03.59 | MatthewWilkes | Footie's a shite game, anyway ;) |
| 20:04.02 | allisterb__ | still 1-0 |
| 20:04.08 | allisterb__ | lies |
| 20:04.12 | MatthewWilkes | Yeah, saw that |
| 20:04.46 | summatusmentis | lcuk: that could be cool, for reading, otherwise, concievably annoying |
| 20:05.34 | eliel | hello, the notebook is moleskine? |
| 20:06.26 | summatusmentis | we're not sure |
| 20:06.37 | summatusmentis | it's at least moleskine-like |
| 20:06.42 | eliel | ok |
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| 20:07.06 | MatthewWilkes | allisterb__: Hmm, in #zope and #drupal? What are you? ;) |
| 20:07.16 | summatusmentis | eliel: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nothingpersonal/3570273830/in/pool-1127440@N22/ |
| 20:07.28 | allisterb__ | yeah I do some web dev |
| 20:07.36 | lcuk | summatusmentis, easter egg :) |
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| 20:07.53 | lcuk | put the friction really high so it doesnt happen normally |
| 20:07.54 | summatusmentis | lcuk: haha :-D |
| 20:07.54 | allisterb__ | I like Plone and Drupal |
| 20:07.56 | lcuk | but slowly over time |
| 20:07.59 | eliel | summatusmentis: maybe a photo from inside could help |
| 20:08.18 | summatusmentis | http://www.flickr.com/photos/nothingpersonal/3570273964/in/pool-1127440@N22/ |
| 20:08.27 | MatthewWilkes | allisterb__: Cool :) I'm the plone org-admin for GSoC |
| 20:08.39 | allisterb__ | MatthewWilkes, ah ok |
| 20:08.53 | eliel | hmmm, yes it looks like |
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| 20:10.51 | summatusmentis | eliel: according to the comments, the covers feel different, and the pages are skinnier |
| 20:11.22 | eliel | :-( |
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| 20:16.09 | allisterb__ | MatthewWilkes, I wanted to apply to Zope this year but they weren't selected to participate |
| 20:17.09 | summatusmentis | eliel: it's possible it's just a special rebrand |
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| 20:20.13 | summatusmentis | eliel: this might be what those are http://www.moleskine.com/custom_editions/ |
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| 20:22.42 | MatthewWilkes | allisterb__: Boo, you should have applied to us, most zope projects are in scope for Plone |
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| 20:28.55 | makmanalp | summatusmentis, eliel: it's pretty awesome, nothing to complain about! |
| 20:29.05 | makmanalp | also, summatusmentis, hi |
| 20:29.53 | summatusmentis | hi makmanalp |
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| 20:33.26 | ajuonline | hi summatusmentis |
| 20:33.32 | summatusmentis | hi ajuonline |
| 20:33.50 | summatusmentis | makmanalp: do you have experience with other moleskines? are these "real" ? |
| 20:34.00 | ajuonline | hi summatusmentis |
| 20:34.05 | summatusmentis | like you said, nothing to complain about either way, just curious |
| 20:34.05 | Landon | doh, the plate absorbed more microwaves than the burrito! |
| 20:34.23 | ajuonline | hi Landon |
| 20:34.28 | Landon | hi ajuonline |
| 20:34.56 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: what time is it there? |
| 20:35.09 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: they're made by a company called "chameleon like" |
| 20:35.11 | ajuonline | 0205 |
| 20:35.19 | ajuonline | hi summatusmentis |
| 20:35.36 | summatusmentis | makmanalp: ah, so no, they're "fake", but still cool |
| 20:35.44 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: go code if you're bored :-P |
| 20:35.52 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: yup, indeed |
| 20:36.08 | ajuonline | hi summatusmentis , no I am just having my black lemon tea. |
| 20:36.23 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: you're drinking black tea at 0205? |
| 20:36.29 | ajuonline | yeah? |
| 20:36.30 | summatusmentis | makmanalp: that's fair, I was just curious |
| 20:36.45 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: the caffeine would keep me up, that's all |
| 20:36.53 | ajuonline | yeah I sleep at 5 |
| 20:37.37 | summatusmentis | geez |
| 20:38.06 | eliel | makmanalp: i will receive it tomorrow! |
| 20:38.40 | makmanalp | eliel: awesome! |
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| 21:06.38 | gurkee | is there already a well-established way to get the maximum amount of money from the prepaid cards for european guys - means with the minimum of fee? |
| 21:07.21 | makmanalp | gurkee: keep me posted if you ever get an answer to that :) |
| 21:07.35 | makmanalp | gurkee: i think we pay a set amount per transaction rather than a percentage |
| 21:07.48 | makmanalp | so we'd be fine if we withdraw it all in one go, but i might be wrong |
| 21:08.13 | gurkee | makmanalp, how do you think you get around the 3% ATM fee? where do you want to go with your card if not to an ATM? :) |
| 21:08.47 | makmanalp | oh it's 3% ?! |
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| 21:09.10 | smtms | Google's not covering fees this year? |
| 21:09.16 | makmanalp | gurkee: i was thinking, maybe get it all into paypal :) |
| 21:09.27 | bobbens | I think they're doing like last year |
| 21:09.32 | summatusmentis | Google gives you an offset amount |
| 21:09.34 | bobbens | giving like $5 extra a transaction |
| 21:09.46 | makmanalp | oh yeah, that's why it's 505 |
| 21:09.47 | summatusmentis | not covering them, but $15 total to cover fees |
| 21:09.53 | gurkee | makmanalp, the one who GETS money @ paypal has to pay much fees, too |
| 21:09.55 | makmanalp | see gurkee, it's not 3% |
| 21:09.56 | summatusmentis | (assuming you pass) |
| 21:10.09 | smtms | last year they gave $15 extra + all "cache advance fees" were covered by them |
| 21:10.32 | smtms | which happened to be include ATM withdrawal |
| 21:10.32 | Catfish_Man | s/cache/cash? ;) |
| 21:10.49 | gurkee | makmanalp, this year ellen said there may be more fee than the 5 $ and google will not replace it |
| 21:11.06 | gurkee | and, makmanalp, everywhere you read there is stated: international ATM fee: 3% |
| 21:11.30 | smtms | Google's favouring US students? :-( |
| 21:11.41 | gurkee | smtms, they have less problems with it, yes |
| 21:11.49 | bobbens | us students pay taxes no? |
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| 21:11.54 | bobbens | so it's worse for them I believe |
| 21:11.58 | gurkee | bobbens, these are no taxes |
| 21:12.07 | Mkop1 | depends how much you make |
| 21:12.13 | Mkop1 | you might be required to pay taxes |
| 21:12.14 | gurkee | bobbens, these are fees and the bank gets them |
| 21:12.17 | Mkop1 | though google won't withhold |
| 21:12.25 | gurkee | Mkop1, but we don't talk about taxes here |
| 21:12.30 | smtms | bobbens, non-US students don't pay taxes in their home countries? |
| 21:12.48 | bobbens | smtms: spain doesn't make you pay unless you make a minimum amount of money |
| 21:13.08 | summatusmentis | US students pay if their "self employment" income is over $400 |
| 21:13.09 | summatusmentis | so yes |
| 21:13.13 | summatusmentis | ~$540 |
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| 21:13.17 | gurkee | smtms, i won't pay taxes in germany, because i earn almost nothing within the YEAR |
| 21:13.32 | makmanalp | 540 is worse than 3%, actually |
| 21:13.38 | gurkee | summatusmentis, per year or per month? |
| 21:13.53 | gurkee | summatusmentis, or doesn't matter? |
| 21:13.54 | summatusmentis | gurkee: oh, that's 12% of total earnings for the tax year |
| 21:14.05 | makmanalp | gurkee: see! |
| 21:14.12 | summatusmentis | total self employed earnings |
| 21:14.17 | gurkee | makmanalp, i see? you see? who sees? |
| 21:14.42 | makmanalp | gurkee: let's form a country without income tax :P |
| 21:14.58 | gurkee | makmanalp, we don't talk about taxes! |
| 21:15.12 | makmanalp | heh |
| 21:15.16 | smtms | gurkee, we do |
| 21:15.19 | makmanalp | or bank transfer fees |
| 21:15.25 | gurkee | makmanalp, i won't pay taxes in germany because i earn less than XXXX $ per YEAR |
| 21:15.33 | gurkee | makmanalp, yes :) |
| 21:15.38 | gurkee | smtms, you do, i don't :) |
| 21:15.39 | summatusmentis | gurkee: what is XXXX? |
| 21:15.48 | gurkee | summatusmentis, not sure!, but more than 4500 % |
| 21:15.49 | gurkee | $ |
| 21:15.51 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: 4500 :P |
| 21:15.55 | summatusmentis | makmanalp: :-P |
| 21:16.36 | gurkee | summatusmentis 7644 ! |
| 21:16.50 | gurkee | summatusmentis, no 7664 :D |
| 21:17.45 | gurkee | and since i have no other income this year than GSoC, there are no problems with this threshold |
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| 21:18.16 | summatusmentis | gurkee: that's a seemingly arbitrary number :-P |
| 21:18.41 | smtms | summatusmentis, 5000 or 10000 would be arbitrary too, wouldn't it? |
| 21:18.53 | bobbens | it usually makes some sense |
| 21:19.02 | bobbens | like minimum wage * number work hours per year |
| 21:19.24 | summatusmentis | smtms: well, I suppose, arbitrary may be the wrong word |
| 21:19.32 | summatusmentis | just an odd number without context I guess |
| 21:20.00 | summatusmentis | ^ad |
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| 21:21.57 | gurkee | summatusmentis, now i found 7.834 Euro |
| 21:22.02 | gurkee | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freibetrag |
| 21:22.42 | t0ms | gurkee: why is this different in whole EU ? |
| 21:22.56 | gurkee | t0ms, because the EU is not the master :D |
| 21:23.13 | ochot | t0ms: and because not every country is created equal :-) |
| 21:23.15 | t0ms | gurkee: I have to pay 10% tax |
| 21:23.25 | gurkee | t0ms, in which state are you living? |
| 21:23.28 | t0ms | Slovakia |
| 21:23.32 | MatthewWilkes | The UK limit this year is £6470, for example |
| 21:23.40 | ochot | t0ms: but you can deduct ~300⬠/month |
| 21:23.53 | ochot | or something like that, don't remember exactly |
| 21:23.54 | ajuonline | MatthewWilkes: did you get my dm on twitter? |
| 21:24.05 | MatthewWilkes | looks |
| 21:24.12 | bobbens | ochot: actually they are all created equal, it's just that some are more equal then others |
| 21:24.12 | MatthewWilkes | didn't get a notification |
| 21:24.15 | gurkee | whats a "dm"? |
| 21:24.16 | MatthewWilkes | hmm, yes, I see it |
| 21:24.30 | ajuonline | gurkee: direct message. |
| 21:24.31 | t0ms | ochot: it can't be higher than 10*minimal month wage |
| 21:24.38 | ochot | bobbens: yeah, I didn't mean it in a bad way, just that there are big differences in wages across EU |
| 21:24.40 | MatthewWilkes | ajuonline: Not off the top of my head, but you could check out plone.net for one near you |
| 21:24.47 | t0ms | which is currently 292,50 EUR |
| 21:24.49 | ajuonline | looks |
| 21:24.52 | ajuonline | thanks MatthewWilkes |
| 21:25.08 | ochot | t0ms: yes, but as a student you can deduct some part from your "base" earnings |
| 21:25.21 | makmanalp | bobbens: someone read their orwell :) |
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| 21:31.21 | gurkee | summatusmentis, 2010 it will be 8004 :D |
| 21:31.24 | gurkee | good night ;) |
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| 22:43.34 | harlan | Anybody from openssh here? |
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| 22:52.10 | kpreid | harlan: have you tried #openssh? |
| 22:52.22 | harlan | will do - thanks kpreid |
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| 22:59.34 | loufoque | does anyone have any idea how to transfer the money to a real bank account? All the web interface does is linking me to online shops and telling me to withdraw it in an ATM (well I'll have to pay an astronomous fee) |
| 22:59.38 | loufoque | s/well/where |
| 23:00.01 | Landon | last year it was pretty much withdraw at an atm and hoof it to a bank |
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| 23:00.49 | loufoque | given I'm in europe, that would mean lots of fees |
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| 23:01.17 | ochot | loufoque: I'd try going to your bank and asking about possibilities |
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| 23:15.02 | loufoque | ochot: good idea |
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| 23:24.34 | kblin | loufoque: in 2005 it was a US cheque, which meant waiting for a couple of weeks to get the money _and_ paying quite some fees |
| 23:24.45 | kblin | loufoque: that's just something you need to deal with |
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| 23:25.29 | kblin | loufoque: probably cheaper than flying over to the US to withdraw the money there in USD, then flying back home and changing it into real mo^W^WEUR |
| 23:26.41 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: I heard of ⬠being shortened to FRZ a while ago, can't shake that from my mind now :) |
| 23:26.44 | MatthewWilkes | http://www.usenet-abc.de/wiki/Team/FRZ |
| 23:29.08 | loufoque | well for now the official name is EUR |
| 23:35.31 | z4chh | anyone going to use their little book from google? |
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| 23:36.24 | ochot | z4chh: how big is it actually? (metric system please :-) ) |
| 23:37.04 | ochot | if it's small enough I might carry it around and write ideas in there... |
| 23:37.24 | z4chh | pocket size...id say...but pretty large pockets |
| 23:37.31 | ochot | :-) |
| 23:37.42 | ochot | guess I'll see in a week... |
| 23:38.07 | z4chh | it could fit in the pocket of some blue jeans |
| 23:38.14 | z4chh | err |
| 23:38.17 | z4chh | back pocket* |
| 23:38.22 | ochot | gotta sleep (hopefully) last exam tomorrow , gnite all |
| 23:38.28 | z4chh | night <3 |
| 23:38.41 | z4chh | hugs |
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| 23:56.42 | loufoque | mine is green |
| 23:56.50 | loufoque | anyone wanna trade it for a black? |
| 23:57.41 | loufoque | or red or blue |
| 23:57.56 | loufoque | I probably had the color I dislike the most |
| 23:58.32 | scorche|sh | those books are awesome |
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