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| 09:10.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hi. If I sent my tax forms on 15 May 21:00 GMT, they should |
| 09:11.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | have reached in time, right? |
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| 09:42.44 | st_shadow_by | Eduard_Munteanu: in the worst case you will paid during second period. don`t worry in any case |
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| 12:22.40 | kuarezma | hi, does anyone have any idea how long will it take for the payment to get to europe? |
| 12:24.17 | kblin | kuarezma: not sure how long shipping the cards takes, but after that, you should be good to go |
| 12:24.47 | kblin | but it's probably a couple of days, air mail |
| 12:24.57 | skbohra | it was said some where that you may get them near 1 june or so |
| 12:25.36 | skbohra | s/1/1st |
| 12:25.43 | kuarezma | okay, thanks, because I will go to my home country on the 16th of June, I guess it's safe to give the address where I am now |
| 12:26.25 | skbohra | wonders how ibot works |
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| 12:27.29 | kuarezma | thanks for the info :) |
| 12:28.07 | skbohra | official words should be from Ellen Ko or lh :) |
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| 12:57.51 | kblin | so, a little challenge for the C programmers out there... I'm currently beta-testing a homework assignment for first-semester C programmers, trying to come up with a clean solution for http://kblin.org/code/c_array.php |
| 12:58.39 | Dark_Shikari | for(int i = 0; i < ARRAY_SIZE; i++) pointers[i] = &values[i]; |
| 12:58.41 | kblin | I've come up with a solution for it, but I don't like it too much |
| 12:58.57 | russellb | you can't declare a variable like that in C :-p |
| 12:59.00 | Dark_Shikari | oh, do you mean actually point at the elements in sorted order? |
| 12:59.04 | kblin | yeah |
| 12:59.06 | Dark_Shikari | russellb: yes you can, C99 |
| 12:59.36 | Dark_Shikari | kblin: selection sort is the most trivial |
| 13:01.12 | Dark_Shikari | does the input have duplicate value? |
| 13:01.20 | Dark_Shikari | *values |
| 13:01.50 | kblin | possibly. they're using a lousy random generator |
| 13:02.22 | Dark_Shikari | then it gets a lot more difficult if you're not allowed to use temporary space |
| 13:02.40 | kblin | oh, you are |
| 13:02.47 | Dark_Shikari | well that makes it a really boring problem doesn't it. |
| 13:02.50 | Dark_Shikari | =p |
| 13:03.45 | kblin | the tricky part is to make the solution as clean as possible so people who just stared with programming will understand it |
| 13:04.24 | kblin | they also didn't have sorting algorithms yet.. this probably is designed to teach them why established sorting algorithms usually are what you want to use |
| 13:04.56 | Dark_Shikari | why not just teach sorting algorithms using a mutable input array? |
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| 13:05.02 | Dark_Shikari | it's easier that way |
| 13:05.11 | ojwb | while (!is_array_sorted(a)) randomly_premute(a); |
| 13:05.13 | kblin | don't ask me |
| 13:05.33 | Dark_Shikari | what do you mean, you're the one coming up with the assignment |
| 13:06.17 | Landon | sorting algorithms? in their first year ? |
| 13:06.23 | ojwb | he said he was beta-testing it, not that he was writing it |
| 13:06.24 | Landon | hum, yo must be doing something right there |
| 13:06.40 | Landon | is out of velcro strips! oh no |
| 13:07.46 | Dark_Shikari | http://pastebin.com/d45877567 |
| 13:07.51 | Dark_Shikari | here's my solution (untested) with no temp space |
| 13:07.57 | Dark_Shikari | should handle duplicate values |
| 13:08.05 | Dark_Shikari | er, forgot an idx++ |
| 13:08.12 | Dark_Shikari | http://pastebin.com/df9cd99e |
| 13:08.19 | Dark_Shikari | This, by the way, is not how you teach sorting algorithms. lol |
| 13:08.34 | Dark_Shikari | hmm, guess the idx is pointless |
| 13:08.42 | Dark_Shikari | http://pastebin.com/d140a8e45 |
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| 13:18.19 | kblin | Dark_Shikari: hm, not quite, debugging |
| 13:19.02 | kblin | it sorts {4, 5, 3, 2, 8} to {4, 5, 8, 8, 8} :) |
| 13:19.35 | thiago_home | random sorting |
| 13:19.51 | thiago_home | I mean, there's a chance that random sorting produces ascending order... |
| 13:20.02 | Dark_Shikari | kblin: yes, I didn't say it was bug-free =p |
| 13:20.22 | kblin | hehe |
| 13:20.30 | kblin | Dark_Shikari: fair enough |
| 13:20.37 | Dark_Shikari | hopefully you can see what I'm doing |
| 13:21.33 | kblin | sure, I just want to see how it compares to a selectionsort of the pointer array :) |
| 13:21.49 | Dark_Shikari | oh, I guess that's an option |
| 13:22.45 | Dark_Shikari | oh I see |
| 13:22.47 | Dark_Shikari | lemme fix that. |
| 13:23.14 | Dark_Shikari | http://pastebin.com/d42a692a2 |
| 13:23.16 | Dark_Shikari | try that |
| 13:27.18 | kblin | my own solution not using INT_MIN/INT_MAX is using a bool array to tick off "I already used this value".. it's easy to understand, but not a very nice solution to the general problem |
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| 13:31.43 | Dark_Shikari | got it |
| 13:31.44 | Dark_Shikari | http://pastebin.com/d787c1859 |
| 13:31.50 | Dark_Shikari | there's your version with no temporary space =p |
| 13:32.50 | ojwb | is just using qsort() not allowed? |
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| 13:34.41 | kblin | ojwb: not for the sample solution |
| 13:34.54 | Dark_Shikari | hmm, it fails on duplicates |
| 13:35.11 | ojwb | must teach students to reinvent wheels I guess |
| 13:36.09 | kblin | ojwb: not my lecture |
| 13:36.39 | kblin | but I guess the point is to show the students that most of their solutions suck.. |
| 13:36.50 | kblin | also to get them used to arrays and pointers |
| 13:37.04 | Dark_Shikari | lol |
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| 14:03.16 | kblin | http://pastebin.com/m453a1c12 <-- that's the solution using selection sort.. maybe cheating a bit, but nice to read and easy to understand |
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| 21:46.16 | meGenius | hi all |
| 21:46.33 | meGenius | how is your day?? |
| 21:47.13 | thomastc | hello |
| 21:47.25 | thomastc | well... almost night, but pretty good :) |
| 21:47.31 | meGenius | :D |
| 21:47.39 | meGenius | for me too it's night |
| 21:47.51 | meGenius | but i though it may be day for you |
| 21:48.00 | meGenius | thought* |
| 21:48.05 | meGenius | so |
| 21:48.37 | meGenius | i wanna know more information about GSoC |
| 21:48.41 | thomastc | it's been really really quiet here for a while |
| 21:48.53 | thomastc | what do you want to know? |
| 21:49.01 | meGenius | thomastc: i don't like COLD channels :) |
| 21:49.19 | meGenius | what types of projects that google accepts |
| 21:49.46 | Catfish_Man | the best way by far to find that out is by looking at projects from past years :) |
| 21:50.04 | dhaun | ... or this year ;-) |
| 21:50.09 | meGenius | it was evreything |
| 21:50.22 | meGenius | OSs, Desktops, Programs ... etc. |
| 21:50.27 | meGenius | :) |
| 21:50.33 | thomastc | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#org_types |
| 21:50.49 | meGenius | is checking.. |
| 21:50.54 | thomastc | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/orgcriteria |
| 21:51.03 | meGenius | is checking... |
| 21:51.49 | thomastc | is that more or less what you were looking for? |
| 21:51.59 | meGenius | thomastc: i think this is that |
| 21:52.09 | meGenius | but i have more questions |
| 21:52.11 | meGenius | :) |
| 21:52.32 | thomastc | go ahead :) |
| 21:52.44 | meGenius | how many people can share one project |
| 21:52.48 | meGenius | for example |
| 21:52.53 | Catfish_Man | one |
| 21:53.04 | meGenius | really?!! |
| 21:53.05 | thomastc | one student per project |
| 21:53.12 | meGenius | DAMN |
| 21:53.14 | thomastc | but possibly many students per organization |
| 21:53.15 | meGenius | :( |
| 21:53.15 | Catfish_Man | N students per organization, but 1 student per project within an organization |
| 21:53.57 | meGenius | all of the projects should be introduced by students |
| 21:54.20 | Catfish_Man | why? |
| 21:54.32 | meGenius | i'm just asking |
| 21:54.43 | thomastc | students have to write their own proposal, but the organization can suggest projects to work on |
| 21:54.45 | Catfish_Man | oh. That wasn't phrased as a question |
| 21:54.57 | meGenius | sorry :) |
| 21:54.59 | Catfish_Man | do you mean "should all projects be introduced by students?" |
| 21:55.08 | meGenius | that's it |
| 21:55.19 | thomastc | so a student can take a suggestion from the org, or come up with their own idea |
| 21:55.31 | thomastc | or a combination thereof :) |
| 21:55.37 | Catfish_Man | what thomastc said. I think most students use the organization's idea list |
| 21:55.44 | Catfish_Man | but there's a good number that come up with their own ideas |
| 21:55.51 | meGenius | let me get an idea |
| 21:56.30 | meGenius | can the non-students people participate in GSoC?? |
| 21:56.40 | Catfish_Man | no |
| 21:56.47 | Catfish_Man | (except as mentors) |
| 21:57.10 | meGenius | what type of studies should the one handle to participate?? |
| 21:57.18 | thomastc | that does not matter |
| 21:57.45 | meGenius | fine |
| 21:58.00 | thomastc | but a geology student will have a harder time demonstrating that they are capable than, say, a computer science student :) |
| 21:58.03 | meGenius | i'll end my high education in the next january |
| 21:58.15 | thomastc | aww, too bad for you :( |
| 21:58.21 | meGenius | why?? |
| 21:58.54 | thomastc | this year, we had to be enrolled until april 20, if I remember correctly |
| 21:59.00 | thomastc | I think it's similar next year |
| 21:59.21 | thomastc | oh... or did you want to apply this year? I'm afraid you are too late for that... :( |
| 21:59.29 | Catfish_Man | thomastc: it's not clear to me if he meant "high school" or "higher education" |
| 21:59.38 | Catfish_Man | although if it's the latter, then yeah |
| 21:59.40 | thomastc | Catfish_Man: oh... good point :) |
| 21:59.47 | meGenius | higher education |
| 22:00.42 | Catfish_Man | ah, yeah. If you're no longer a student as of next summer, then you wouldn't be able to participate :/ |
| 22:00.43 | meGenius | :( |
| 22:00.43 | thomastc | not being a student sucks |
| 22:00.43 | thomastc | I keep postponing that :P |
| 22:00.43 | Catfish_Man | heh |
| 22:00.43 | Catfish_Man | I like it pretty well ;) |
| 22:00.46 | meGenius | only school students can participate?? |
| 22:01.38 | meGenius | am i alive?? |
| 22:01.58 | thomastc | I'm not sure really... I'm a university student myself, but I don't know about the education system in other countries |
| 22:02.17 | meGenius | sorry |
| 22:02.23 | meGenius | i disconnected for a while |
| 22:02.39 | meGenius | i asked "only school students can participate??" |
| 22:02.48 | thomastc | 00:01:57 < thomastc> I'm not sure really... I'm a university student myself, but I don't know about the education system in other countries |
| 22:02.48 | meGenius | what's the answer for this |
| 22:03.14 | meGenius | so, can you thomastc participate |
| 22:03.33 | thomastc | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#student_eligibility |
| 22:03.39 | thomastc | Google defines a student as an individual enrolled in or accepted into an accredited institution including (but not necessarily limited to) colleges, universities, masters programs, PhD programs and undergraduate programs. |
| 22:03.43 | meGenius | is checking... |
| 22:04.06 | meGenius | that's good |
| 22:04.07 | thomastc | well, I was working on my GSoC project until I got distracted by IRC ;) |
| 22:04.18 | meGenius | :) |
| 22:04.48 | meGenius | "You must also be eligible to work in the country in which you'll reside throughout the duration of the program" |
| 22:04.55 | meGenius | what's the meaning of that?? |
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| 22:05.14 | Catfish_Man | if you're not allowed to work (for example because of immigration laws), then you can't work on gsoc projects |
| 22:05.15 | thomastc | um, you have to be allowed to work in your country |
| 22:05.31 | thomastc | out of interest, where are you from? |
| 22:05.43 | meGenius | i'm syrian living in the UAE |
| 22:05.51 | meGenius | but i read something wiered |
| 22:06.07 | meGenius | "Google employees, interns, contractors, family members, or residents and nationals of Iran, Syria" |
| 22:06.17 | meGenius | "Who's not eligible to participate as a student in Google Summer of Code?" |
| 22:06.23 | meGenius | that was what i read |
| 22:06.25 | meGenius | :( |
| 22:06.30 | Catfish_Man | US law (which Google is bound by) can be pretty weird |
| 22:07.12 | thomastc | man, yeah, that sucks |
| 22:07.23 | meGenius | :( |
| 22:07.45 | meGenius | thou, i can't participate because of a political problem |
| 22:07.48 | meGenius | DAMN THAT!! |
| 22:07.54 | meGenius | :( |
| 22:08.36 | lcuk | nothing to say you cannot create some kickass OSS software using your own motivation and steam and gaining your own fame and fortune :) |
| 22:09.01 | thomastc | this is true |
| 22:09.06 | meGenius | lcuk: i can do that starting from now |
| 22:09.09 | thomastc | anyhow, I'm off to bed now |
| 22:09.18 | meGenius | thomastc: nice dreams |
| 22:09.19 | lcuk | good luck meGenius :) |
| 22:09.19 | thomastc | bye, and good luck! |
| 22:09.23 | meGenius | & nice to meet yoy |
| 22:09.35 | meGenius | lcuk: thanx for you both |
| 22:09.51 | meGenius | you know why i wanna participate?? |
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| 22:10.13 | meGenius | i wanna see google, i wanna get their knowledge & be better.. |
| 22:10.16 | lcuk | no but im always pleased to hear about new ideas |
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| 22:10.22 | pina | so your take on wolfram alpha folks |
| 22:10.39 | Landon | talk to me when they get to beta |
| 22:10.40 | Landon | :P |
| 22:10.40 | Catfish_Man | meGenius: summer of code students really don't interact with google very much at all |
| 22:10.48 | Catfish_Man | they primarily talk to their mentoring organization |
| 22:10.49 | pina | Landon: any issues you've seen with it? |
| 22:10.58 | Landon | I haven't looked at it |
| 22:11.12 | Landon | I don't search for that much that it would help me with from the sounsd of it |
| 22:11.13 | meGenius | Catfish_Man: that's bad |
| 22:11.27 | Landon | mostly issues, tips and tricks, define: searches, and searches to find a wiki page |
| 22:11.30 | Catfish_Man | not really. It promotes community involvement and awareness of open source |
| 22:11.36 | meGenius | Landon: wolfram needs more 20 years to be as Google today |
| 22:11.39 | Catfish_Man | which is one of the biggest goals of gsoc |
| 22:11.41 | Landon | that list is in reverse order as well |
| 22:11.43 | Landon | heh |
| 22:11.55 | Landon | needs a quicksearch button that adds wiki to the end of his strings |
| 22:11.58 | meGenius | Catfish_Man: so that's not my goal :) |
| 22:12.12 | Catfish_Man | I suggest aiming for a google internship instead then |
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| 22:12.29 | meGenius | Catfish_Man: how to do that?? |
| 22:12.42 | lcuk | i need a secretary and team of advisors on hand to do my searching for me and digest the results only showing me what i expect to see |
| 22:12.42 | meGenius | Landon: you mean wolfram is better |
| 22:12.46 | lcuk | until then, google will do ;) |
| 22:12.58 | pina | Landon it searches for ip addresses too |
| 22:13.01 | Catfish_Man | meGenius: try googling for "google internship" |
| 22:13.01 | pina | pretty good if you ask me |
| 22:13.06 | Catfish_Man | it appears to be the first link |
| 22:13.07 | pina | dont think they;re competing google |
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| 22:13.12 | Landon | meGenius: not if google does all I need right now :P |
| 22:13.20 | meGenius | Catfish_Man: i'm googling |
| 22:13.33 | meGenius | :D |
| 22:14.11 | lcuk | infact, forget the advisors and the searching, i just need a secretary |
| 22:14.44 | Catfish_Man | lcuk: have you read Snow Crash? |
| 22:14.47 | meGenius | Catfish_Man: got this: http://www.google.com/support/jobs/bin/static.py?page=students.html&sid=intern |
| 22:14.48 | Landon | a hot secretary |
| 22:14.55 | lcuk | yes landon and yes Catfish_Man |
| 22:14.58 | Landon | Catfish_Man: a _real_ hot secretary |
| 22:15.02 | Catfish_Man | lcuk: the Librarian software :) |
| 22:15.09 | Landon | :P |
| 22:15.17 | lcuk | heh |
| 22:15.20 | BCarlyon|Laptop | Someone mention a hot secretary? |
| 22:15.23 | Catfish_Man | meGenius: that seems reasonable to me |
| 22:15.26 | lcuk | why havent we had a snowcrash film |
| 22:15.28 | Catfish_Man | BCarlyon: volunteering? |
| 22:15.42 | BCarlyon|Laptop | No I am not hot |
| 22:15.48 | lcuk | and he has moobs |
| 22:16.09 | lcuk | (apologies if you are actual female lol) |
| 22:16.10 | BCarlyon|Laptop | Noes I donest |
| 22:16.53 | meGenius | Catfish_Man: thxn a lot guy |
| 22:17.05 | lcuk | bashes his code against the wall and gets a submission out of it |
| 22:17.15 | Landon | lcuk: I'm honestly surprised second life wasn't called.... the thingy in snow crash |
| 22:17.16 | Landon | gosh |
| 22:17.19 | Landon | what was it called? |
| 22:17.30 | Catfish_Man | metaverse |
| 22:17.31 | lcuk | metaverse? multiverse? |
| 22:17.35 | Landon | yeah, metaverse |
| 22:17.35 | Catfish_Man | I think someone already took the name |
| 22:17.41 | Landon | I wanted to say it, but it sounded too corny |
| 22:17.42 | Landon | :P |
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| 22:30.11 | meGenius | is going to sleep |
| 22:30.19 | meGenius | good night evreybody |
| 22:30.22 | meGenius | see you soon |
| 22:30.25 | Landon | so, Sneakers... good movie! |
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| 22:30.33 | Landon | why have I not seen that before |
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| 22:58.50 | astrocub | hi you googlers |
| 22:59.16 | astrocub | question, i'm creating a map for my group using maps.google.com so that everyone in the group will know where everyone is... |
| 22:59.42 | astrocub | when 'managing collaborators', if i check the 'allow anyone to edit this map', what do that do? |
| 22:59.52 | astrocub | figure someone in here has done this |
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| 23:07.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hi. I sent my tax forms on 15 May, around 21:00 GMT, but the list doesn't show me as having sent the docs. Wasn't the deadline 16 May 0:00 GMT or PDT or something? |
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| 23:22.28 | kpreid | Eduard_Munteanu: I think the deadline was mid-Friday but I don't recall exactly. Also, the document is updated in batches so it's possible yours is in actually. |
| 23:23.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | kpreid, thanks. |
| 23:24.42 | kpreid | But, I would guess, it probably isn't. Which just means you don't get your card until the next payment. |
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| 23:35.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | kpreid, I see. |
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| 23:38.52 | cjhopman | according to the student info page any time on the 15th was ok |
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