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| 04:55.38 | Landon | gosh |
| 04:55.45 | Landon | I was all thinking about how astonishingly fast the internet is |
| 04:56.06 | Landon | and how it's possible for a letter I type on my keyboard to hit my VPS halfway across the country |
| 04:56.11 | Landon | and then have the response back instantaneously |
| 04:56.15 | Landon | so I hit a key |
| 04:56.22 | Landon | it took 2 seconds to respond |
| 04:56.23 | Landon | :\ |
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| 05:09.04 | dukeleto | good localtime() y'all |
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| 09:36.41 | d-fens_ | hi i can't find a list of all accepted projects? |
| 09:40.35 | d-fens_ | ok have to click through everything , aight |
| 09:40.35 | smtms | d-fens_, you can write a script |
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| 12:21.31 | jessezh | hi, does everyone who sends out TAX FORMS (to ospoellenko) get a reply? |
| 12:22.12 | jessezh | mine is sent at April 26th |
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| 12:24.53 | sfb | Huh, that's odd. |
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| 12:25.01 | sfb | Not sure how I ended up not in here. |
| 12:25.10 | runasand | jessezh: no. |
| 12:25.17 | runasand | jessezh: if you don't get a reply - all is good. |
| 12:25.37 | jessezh | runasand: ok :) |
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| 12:32.27 | kblin | sfb: hi anyway |
| 12:32.38 | sfb | hi! |
| 12:32.45 | sfb | I'm on the hunt for PHP programmers now. |
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| 12:34.05 | thebolt | hi kblin , sfb |
| 12:34.06 | kblin | be vewwy quiet, he's hunting pwogwammews |
| 12:34.20 | kblin | hey thebolt |
| 12:34.32 | thebolt | well, i am a lousy php programmer.. so no need to hide ;) |
| 12:34.37 | sfb | hahah |
| 12:34.47 | sfb | I'm sure most people in here already have projects anyway. |
| 12:35.00 | sfb | I'm just trying to find a site or something where I can make a post... where I can expect some sort of answer. |
| 12:35.09 | sfb | Like gamedev.net I'll never get answers. |
| 12:35.54 | kblin | probably the best recruiting time in here is right after the accepted students are announced :)\ |
| 12:36.50 | thebolt | hehe |
| 12:36.57 | thebolt | loads of students who got rejected you mean? ;) |
| 12:37.30 | kblin | yeah |
| 12:39.47 | Dark_Shikari | (good php programmer? isn't that an oxymoron?) |
| 12:39.49 | Dark_Shikari | ducks |
| 12:39.54 | thebolt | heh |
| 12:40.10 | sfb | hyul hyuk hyuk. |
| 12:40.26 | sfb | The problem is that I inherited this admin app for NeL written in PHP and it is... |
| 12:40.28 | sfb | It's terrible. |
| 12:40.53 | sfb | There's no other way to describe it. |
| 12:40.54 | kblin | hehe |
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| 12:41.19 | kblin | sounds like my perl experience from military service |
| 12:41.29 | sfb | configuring shards isn't a table edit or anything. No series of input boxes neatly labelled. |
| 12:41.32 | sfb | Nope. |
| 12:41.39 | sfb | It's one enormous text edit field |
| 12:41.52 | sfb | And you have to know the order to input data tab delimited. |
| 12:42.00 | ojwb | is proud to be able to write terrible code in any language |
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| 12:45.32 | kblin | :) |
| 12:46.20 | Dark_Shikari | reminds me of some code I've seen |
| 12:46.42 | Dark_Shikari | my hobby is skimming the code of video encoders. So I looked at the one in Google's Android OpenCore, which they licensed from PacketVideo |
| 12:46.55 | Dark_Shikari | it was so terrible that they would arbitrary mix DSP code and regular C code |
| 12:47.03 | Dark_Shikari | instead of calling a few core DSP functions they just copy-pasted crap everywhere |
| 12:47.37 | Dark_Shikari | so everything was duplicated in two dozen places |
| 12:48.52 | sfb | Nice. |
| 12:49.06 | sfb | ~timeline |
| 12:49.22 | kblin | !timeline |
| 12:49.23 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 12:49.43 | sfb | Thanks. |
| 12:50.38 | sfb | Okay, so I missed the rejected students window by a couple weeks. |
| 12:50.39 | sfb | haha |
| 12:52.11 | Ivanovic | ojwb: that is easy in most languages, just reduce the amount of whitespaces to a minimum... |
| 12:52.12 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 12:52.49 | kblin | Ivanovic: kind of hard in whitespace ;) |
| 12:52.59 | sfb | Just because it is difficult to read doesn't necessarily equate to terrible code. |
| 12:53.04 | Ivanovic | kblin: whitespace is hard to read by default |
| 12:53.08 | Ivanovic | no need to change anything |
| 12:53.10 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 12:53.19 | thebolt | Ivanovic: specially printed ;) |
| 12:53.20 | kblin | fair enough |
| 12:53.20 | sfb | Terrible code would be something like: |
| 12:53.24 | thebolt | especially* |
| 12:53.39 | Ivanovic | thebolt: at least printing whitespace code is at least rather cheap |
| 12:53.40 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 12:53.47 | ojwb | whitespace is just cosmetic |
| 12:53.57 | sfb | char *[] foo; foo[0] = new char(50); |
| 12:53.57 | Dark_Shikari | Ivanovic: reminds me of a joke about how to improve data compression |
| 12:53.59 | ojwb | truly terrible code takes a lot more work |
| 12:54.00 | sfb | then not deleting. |
| 12:54.04 | Dark_Shikari | 1) throw away the useless zeroes, they don't matter |
| 12:54.08 | Dark_Shikari | 2) run-length-encode the 1s |
| 12:54.11 | Dark_Shikari | 3) GOTO 1) |
| 12:54.39 | Ivanovic | Dark_Shikari: i know a shortcut: just print out "1" |
| 12:54.41 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 12:54.48 | sfb | Although certain languages seem to outright encourage terrible code. |
| 12:55.26 | kblin | Ivanovic: it's called "optimization" |
| 12:56.05 | Dark_Shikari | sfb: well part of it is how prone a language is to monkeypatching |
| 12:56.08 | sfb | http://b.lericson.se/~toxik/php_sucks_rant.log |
| 12:56.24 | Dark_Shikari | if a language forces you to refactor every time you do a serious rework of functionality, you never end up with a big ball of mud |
| 12:56.27 | Ivanovic | kblin: yeah, and we all optimize compressions as far as possible, and being able to give a result (no matter how big the file that is meant to be compressed is) in constant time is *great* |
| 12:56.29 | Ivanovic | ^^ |
| 12:56.31 | Dark_Shikari | but if you can just slap crap on at every point, you end up with a mess |
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| 12:56.45 | Dark_Shikari | Ruby is horrifically prone to this. |
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| 13:04.29 | kblin | Ivanovic: decompression performance is kinda lousy, though |
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| 13:05.44 | Ivanovic | kblin: the performance is great, you directly know the result |
| 13:05.55 | Ivanovic | the problem is that it is basically not possible |
| 13:05.56 | Dark_Shikari | kblin: reminds me of a legendary google groups thread with this guy who insisted he came up with a compressor that could compress random data |
| 13:06.01 | Ivanovic | but noone asked for good *decompression* |
| 13:06.03 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 13:06.05 | Dark_Shikari | and everyone tries to tell him no, etc, etc |
| 13:06.08 | Dark_Shikari | but he insists it will work |
| 13:06.10 | Dark_Shikari | this brilliant algorithm. |
| 13:06.27 | Dark_Shikari | And after a while, he comes back asking for help--he compressed his data with it, but the decompressor he wrote didn't work, even though the math all works out! |
| 13:06.32 | Dark_Shikari | and he asked for help getting back his data. |
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| 13:07.00 | theholyduck | is laughing |
| 13:07.01 | t0ms | !topic |
| 13:07.01 | socinfo | "topic" is Read it! /topic will show it again. |
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| 15:24.52 | theeth | (I'm a mentor for Blender) |
| 15:25.05 | ojwb | would try #melange |
| 15:25.11 | theeth | good idea |
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| 18:59.00 | Arminius | hello |
| 18:59.59 | Arminius | anyone here that could andwer me a question? |
| 19:00.01 | Arminius | :s |
| 19:00.31 | sfb | Just ask and we'll see if anyone can. (= |
| 19:00.31 | hypa7ia | don't ask to ask, just ask, Arminius |
| 19:00.41 | Arminius | ok ;) |
| 19:01.13 | Arminius | well I was wondering why there was no project using Object Pascal on gsoc? |
| 19:03.54 | hypa7ia | because no-one applied? |
| 19:04.13 | Arminius | lazarus did twice but got rejected with no reason... |
| 19:04.48 | hypa7ia | hmm, did they ask for a reason? |
| 19:05.01 | Arminius | I don't know |
| 19:05.08 | hypa7ia | there is usually a reason, even if it's just "too many projects applied" |
| 19:05.14 | Arminius | but would they get an anwer? |
| 19:05.22 | hypa7ia | they would if they asked |
| 19:06.14 | Arminius | ok |
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| 19:56.50 | Me | hi |
| 19:57.43 | Guest34591 | how can i sign up for GSOC |
| 19:59.33 | runasand | Guest34591: wait a year :) |
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| 23:07.01 | rszulgo | hey all :) |
| 23:07.41 | rszulgo | have you send your enrollment already ? |
| 23:07.46 | monsieurp | yes |
| 23:07.59 | rszulgo | have you got any response ? |
| 23:08.51 | monsieurp | nah |
| 23:09.12 | monsieurp | no answer = you're good with the papers you've emailed |
| 23:09.15 | rszulgo | me too.. I just wonder if they receive it and it's ok |
| 23:09.21 | monsieurp | don't worry |
| 23:09.22 | monsieurp | ;) |
| 23:09.25 | rszulgo | oh, that's fine :) |
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| 23:09.45 | monsieurp | hey i Have a question regarde man files |
| 23:09.57 | monsieurp | how can I read a man page which is in a man format ? |
| 23:10.02 | monsieurp | I can't find the option .. |
| 23:10.11 | rszulgo | man ... |
| 23:10.44 | rszulgo | have you put the man page into folder where other mans are ? |
| 23:11.00 | monsieurp | example: I'm in ~/man & there is the file: .. foo.8 |
| 23:11.08 | monsieurp | I want to open foo.8 with man ! |
| 23:11.30 | rszulgo | aha ok I know the answer |
| 23:11.32 | rszulgo | w8 |
| 23:11.35 | monsieurp | no :) |
| 23:13.53 | rszulgo | ok |
| 23:14.07 | rszulgo | so there are 3 places where mans are |
| 23:14.16 | rszulgo | ' /usr/share |
| 23:14.25 | rszulgo | ' /usr/X11R6 |
| 23:14.32 | rszulgo | and /usr/local |
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| 23:15.13 | rszulgo | one of those has subdirectories such as "man1" , "man2" ... "man8" |
| 23:15.26 | alanp | Try "man man" |
| 23:15.32 | alanp | ie: rtfm |
| 23:15.33 | rszulgo | :) |
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| 23:15.46 | rszulgo | and put where neccesary :) |
| 23:16.27 | holger_ | man ./manpage |
| 23:16.51 | monsieurp | rszulgo: I know that.. it's just I do want to read a man page without putting it inside of theses man folders |
| 23:17.42 | rszulgo | you can't ;] |
| 23:17.55 | monsieurp | it must be possible |
| 23:17.56 | holger_ | wonders if he's lagging or if you are ;) |
| 23:18.15 | rszulgo | only by vim :D |
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| 23:18.45 | rszulgo | or other editor |
| 23:19.28 | holger_ | of course, man /full/path/to/manpage.number would also work |
| 23:19.41 | rszulgo | hm.. maybe there are some graphical editors that show man :) but I haven't heard |
| 23:20.12 | monsieurp | I found the answer, I knew I had to use that :p |
| 23:20.19 | monsieurp | groff is the key |
| 23:20.29 | holger_ | guys, do you read me? |
| 23:20.37 | rszulgo | yeap |
| 23:20.38 | rszulgo | :) |
| 23:20.55 | holger_ | i was really starting to wonder :) |
| 23:21.09 | monsieurp | I'm reading the man of groff :p |
| 23:21.09 | rszulgo | don't worry .. be happy :P |
| 23:21.16 | rszulgo | eh... |
| 23:22.28 | monsieurp | groff -Tascii -man foo.8 | less |
| 23:22.32 | monsieurp | \o/ |
| 23:23.14 | holger_ | i am so not going to suggest man ./foo.8 _again_ |
| 23:24.02 | monsieurp | holger_: I'm on NetBSD and your command doesn't work |
| 23:24.37 | monsieurp | I have to use groff to "compile" the man page :) |
| 23:24.58 | holger_ | oh. i know bsds tend to have really old userland sometimes. but _that_ old? ;) |
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| 23:25.55 | monsieurp | holger_: is that a troll ? :) |
| 23:28.02 | holger_ | all i can say is this has been working in linux for longer than i remember. |
| 23:29.16 | monsieurp | woaaaah, what an impressive feature of man on Linux |
| 23:29.18 | monsieurp | :D |
| 23:29.46 | monsieurp | does it also make your coffee ? |
| 23:31.37 | rszulgo | only tea unfortunately :) |
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| 23:32.54 | holger_ | or i might add i remember netbsd on amiga. what version was it again? 1.6? and bsdi on intel. |
| 23:32.54 | monsieurp | damn.. if so, that sucks :P |
| 23:33.17 | monsieurp | :q |
| 23:33.30 | monsieurp | hmm |
| 23:34.05 | holger_ | back in those times, their userland was at least semi-current. |
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| 23:41.24 | rszulgo | ok... going sleep :) |
| 23:41.34 | rszulgo | bye guys :) |
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