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| 02:18.29 | danderson | I think I've just had an epiphany |
| 02:18.50 | danderson | The only reason C++ is halfway bearable at work is because we have gigantic utility libraries |
| 02:19.02 | danderson | trying to write C++ in the open source world is just a pain in the neck |
| 02:19.32 | danderson | I need a new high performance batteries included programming language to complement python... |
| 02:20.09 | Landon | well, assembly has quite a few batteries |
| 02:20.17 | Landon | if you want to assemble them yourself |
| 02:20.19 | Landon | :P |
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| 02:21.30 | danderson | same with C++ |
| 02:21.45 | danderson | "Okay, now I just need to join these paths and check for the file size..." |
| 02:22.03 | danderson | I was trying to call if os.path.exists(os.path.join(self.root, path)) |
| 02:22.16 | danderson | except that damn, I need to write the function to join and normalize paths securely |
| 02:22.29 | danderson | and I need to write wrappers around stat() to get file information |
| 02:22.41 | danderson | then I wanted to keep a cache of file handles, so I need an LRU cache... |
| 02:22.50 | danderson | all of this, inside Google, is provided by vast utility libraries |
| 02:22.59 | danderson | so I never thought how annoying it'd be to implement from scratch :) |
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| 02:23.24 | danderson | I think I may have to try C# |
| 02:23.35 | danderson | as my "modern C++ with batteries included" language |
| 02:25.15 | Landon | wow |
| 02:25.19 | Landon | I'm completely utterly retarded |
| 02:25.23 | danderson | ? |
| 02:25.30 | Landon | been trying to figure out what's wrong with my circular array |
| 02:25.33 | Landon | for a looong time |
| 02:25.37 | danderson | ... it's not circular? |
| 02:25.38 | Landon | this latest iteration |
| 02:25.42 | Landon | it's not the arrays fault |
| 02:25.47 | Landon | well |
| 02:25.50 | Landon | its still failing |
| 02:26.05 | Landon | but the register I'm using to stick stuff in it is getting clobbered |
| 02:26.10 | Landon | :\ |
| 02:27.47 | Landon | now it fails slightly less ;) |
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| 02:28.01 | Landon | stores the correct characters :P but there's still an overflow somewhere |
| 02:31.36 | Landon | I should probably get around to commenting my code |
| 02:31.36 | Landon | ... |
| 02:31.39 | Landon | sooner rather than later |
| 02:32.01 | Landon | woot! it works |
| 02:32.02 | Landon | halfway |
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| 02:48.03 | Landon | turns out all that work I did to get the arrays to circle around backwards was in vain |
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| 03:13.27 | raviteja2007 | hello |
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| 03:16.25 | lifeeth | raviteja2007, Maybe :) |
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| 04:50.38 | kblin | omg |
| 04:50.52 | kblin | there's an emacs plug-in to edit odf files... |
| 04:51.14 | kblin | that's wrong on so many levels |
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| 05:02.04 | xevix | kblin, i think that's kind of awesome personally |
| 05:02.30 | xevix | many times i don't want to use so much ram and wait for the first opening of oowriter, just to look at a quick file |
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| 05:16.32 | kblin | xevix: I usually don't want to boot into emacs, either, though |
| 05:17.50 | xevix | heh, yeah, i've noticed emacs first-load a bit slow too, but beats oowriter for me |
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| 06:12.40 | danderson | shakes fist at stupid game editors that don't provide all l10ns of their game when you buy a copy |
| 06:12.47 | danderson | I have here a copy of fallout 3 in French |
| 06:12.52 | danderson | and I want it in English |
| 06:13.04 | danderson | afaict, the only outcome of this is "Nah, you're fucked, buy another copy" |
| 06:13.34 | Dark_Shikari | a little birdy told me the russian one was the one that was pirated first, and there were guides to swapping it to english without downloading a different copy |
| 06:13.42 | Dark_Shikari | so I suspect it might be the same for french->english |
| 06:14.01 | danderson | yeah, but that still implies torrenting it |
| 06:14.08 | danderson | at which point I might as well torrent the english version |
| 06:14.15 | Dark_Shikari | no, the point being there were hacks to modify it |
| 06:14.15 | danderson | ... which makes me a pirate even though I bought the bloody thing |
| 06:14.18 | Dark_Shikari | without getting a different copy |
| 06:14.24 | Dark_Shikari | i.e. no torrenting |
| 06:14.30 | danderson | hm |
| 06:16.13 | danderson | nah, apparently the "hacks" are just switching menus and subtitles to english |
| 06:16.18 | danderson | but the chatter in game remains russian |
| 06:16.28 | danderson | and it's the chatter that annoys me, I want the original :( |
| 06:16.37 | kblin | danderson: ew |
| 06:17.13 | danderson | and this, boys and girls, is why piracy still has many years ahead of it. |
| 06:17.23 | danderson | If I want to play in english, it is in fact easier to pirate the game. |
| 06:18.05 | kblin | danderson: I recently bought "settlers 2, 10th anniversary edition" (which is a remake of the original game in 3d), in Germany, in German.. when I installed it on my english Windows box, it switched to English instantly |
| 06:18.19 | kblin | so there's companies that in fact do this |
| 06:18.20 | danderson | nice |
| 06:18.33 | danderson | well, I was epically disappointed by settlers 2 10th anniversary |
| 06:18.40 | danderson | but +1 on the principle |
| 06:18.43 | Dark_Shikari | I actually used the hack to swap the dialogue to russian |
| 06:18.56 | danderson | settlers 2 reached apogee in the Gold Edition |
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| 06:18.59 | Dark_Shikari | because it fits a post-apocalyptic game so much better ;) |
| 06:18.59 | danderson | from way back |
| 06:19.15 | kblin | danderson: dunno, the story kind of sucks, but I like that they fixed that annoying gold coin issue |
| 06:19.29 | Dark_Shikari | i.e. http://pw0nd.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/russia-500x673.jpg |
| 06:20.05 | danderson | kblin: never cared about the story, but I liked the gameplay |
| 06:20.26 | kblin | I mean the 10th anniversary story |
| 06:20.42 | kblin | they tried to come up with a new one |
| 06:20.52 | danderson | oh |
| 06:20.58 | danderson | #%@$(#@*$(@( bethesda softworks |
| 06:21.08 | danderson | skullfucks the website designers with red-hot steel clubs |
| 06:21.25 | danderson | "Sorry, you can only use the forum search feature if logged in" |
| 06:21.26 | Upthorn | ? |
| 06:21.30 | Upthorn | ah |
| 06:21.48 | danderson | so I have to register, which takes giving my email, waiting for the confirmation, replying, basically wasting 5 minutes and a couple of kB of database space |
| 06:21.49 | Landon | debugging timing issues = blow |
| 06:22.00 | danderson | just to know if there is a solution to my problem |
| 06:22.02 | danderson | fuck. that. |
| 06:22.19 | kblin | wow |
| 06:22.30 | Dark_Shikari | lmao |
| 06:22.34 | kblin | that's almost as bad as EA games |
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| 06:23.29 | danderson | haha, just found a post that echoes my frustration at bethesda's stupidity |
| 06:23.30 | danderson | "I wanted to download and play The Pitt and Anchorage today but after I spent an hour going through all the crap to get the downloads, I don't even want anything to do with them right now. I had to sign up for all kinds off crap that I didn't want all so I could get some stupid windows live BS. After that I can't even buy the damn games, I have to buy points so I can buy the freakin games." |
| 06:24.00 | danderson | apparently search isn't the only fail |
| 06:24.03 | danderson | oh, hey, wait |
| 06:24.09 | Dark_Shikari | and you wonder why people pirate games. |
| 06:24.12 | danderson | google://my question site:bethsoft.com |
| 06:24.13 | danderson | whee. |
| 06:24.26 | kblin | I was just about to suggest |
| 06:24.36 | kblin | I always use google to search MSDN |
| 06:24.55 | danderson | There is no option to change the language in the game with a setting or patch. If you need the game in English, you have to purchase the English version. |
| 06:24.58 | danderson | sigh. |
| 06:25.40 | kblin | it tends to bring up the relevant hits first, not some stupid VB crap function that has the same name but is usless, and then a ton of forum posts about said VB function |
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| 06:26.04 | danderson | and of course, stores around here only carry the german version |
| 06:26.12 | danderson | and stores back in france only carry the french version |
| 06:26.18 | danderson | amazon.fr carries a UK import! |
| 06:26.22 | danderson | ... for the PS3. |
| 06:26.29 | danderson | stabs |
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| 06:27.58 | danderson | AAAAAAAAAAAAARGH |
| 06:28.15 | danderson | amazon.co.uk regrets to inform you that the item you selected cannot be delivered to Switzerland |
| 06:28.18 | danderson | stabs even harder |
| 06:28.26 | thebolt | haha |
| 06:28.31 | thebolt | not your day today danderson ? ;) |
| 06:28.53 | danderson | I am going through intense efforts to not have to pirate the english version of fallout 3 |
| 06:29.10 | danderson | because I don't trust crack authors to not bundle malware |
| 06:29.29 | Dark_Shikari | danderson: http://www.threatexpert.com/ |
| 06:29.47 | Dark_Shikari | 100% effective virus detector (it runs the program on a real system and lists every single modification it makes to the system) |
| 06:30.08 | danderson | eh? |
| 06:30.11 | Dark_Shikari | it runs it on a VM |
| 06:30.19 | Dark_Shikari | analyses every modification that the virus makes to the VM |
| 06:30.24 | danderson | how does that prevent the crack embedding malware into the fallout executable |
| 06:30.26 | Dark_Shikari | then wipes it and does it again |
| 06:30.29 | danderson | it modifies everything else |
| 06:30.40 | danderson | that said, I'm tempted to not give a damn |
| 06:30.53 | danderson | I "omitted" to install network drivers on my windows partition |
| 06:31.03 | danderson | and also "omit" to plug in the network cable |
| 06:31.19 | Dark_Shikari | 1) upload cracked exe |
| 06:31.22 | Dark_Shikari | 2) see what happens |
| 06:31.41 | danderson | 3) observe that it immediately crashes for want of the other 5G that make up fallout |
| 06:31.52 | Dark_Shikari | in theory they could embed the code really deep so it can't run unless you have the whole game, but most scriptkiddies uploading hacked versions of real cracks probably are incapable of doing any more than bundling one exe with another |
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| 06:33.06 | danderson | torrenting also has other drawbacks |
| 06:33.14 | danderson | I cannot install the 1.5 patch, nor play the extensions |
| 06:33.38 | danderson | which is RETARDED, since I payed for the fucking thing |
| 06:33.46 | danderson | last time I'm making that kind of stupid mistake. |
| 06:34.06 | Dark_Shikari | they really haven't cracked that yet? :> |
| 06:34.16 | Dark_Shikari | usually the delay time is on the order of days-weeks for popular games |
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| 06:37.56 | danderson | not the point |
| 06:38.34 | danderson | I shouldn't have to redownload the many-GB DVD, spend 2 hours cracking it properly, and then coping with bugs introduced by the cracking, just to change a couple of sodding .wav files |
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| 06:43.59 | Dark_Shikari | eh, cracking usually gets rid of bugs |
| 06:44.03 | Dark_Shikari | given that it removes the drm =p |
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| 08:23.56 | Robin_1 | somebody here? |
| 08:24.24 | danderson | nope. |
| 08:24.26 | Robin_1 | I want to ask something. |
| 08:24.39 | danderson | well, please do :) |
| 08:25.02 | Robin_1 | The project system design is issued by you guys? or the mentor? |
| 08:25.16 | Robin_1 | I mean the first version, not the finnal design. |
| 08:25.27 | danderson | the what?! |
| 08:25.53 | Robin_1 | The project student applied. |
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| 08:26.21 | danderson | I'm afraid I don't really understand the question. |
| 08:26.38 | danderson | are you asking who choses the projects? |
| 08:28.31 | Robin_1 | I mean who design the project design. |
| 08:28.49 | Robin_1 | Before starting coding. |
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| 08:31.11 | kblin | Robin_1: the student usually |
| 08:31.28 | kblin | Robin_1: but there's usually project ideas provided by the mentoring orgs |
| 08:32.05 | Robin_1 | If the mentoring orgs just issued an idea, not the detail design. |
| 08:32.23 | Robin_1 | then the student must propose the design? |
| 08:32.32 | kblin | I'd guess so |
| 08:32.36 | dzhus | Robin_1: obviously yes |
| 08:32.45 | kblin | I certainly expect my student to come up with a design |
| 08:33.20 | kblin | I'll certainly help him fix it if I think it's not going to work, but I'm not going to spoonfeed my student |
| 08:34.39 | Robin_1 | o,I see. Are you mentor? |
| 08:34.47 | Robin_1 | Thank you! |
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| 08:36.46 | kblin | Robin_1: yup |
| 08:39.42 | Robin_1 | kblin: How is your student work progress?~^_^ |
| 08:49.02 | kblin | haven't heard too much from him so far, but that's to be expected.. I'll go bug him a little more next week, if he doesn't come out of the forest himself |
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| 10:39.19 | kblin | ahrg |
| 10:39.31 | kblin | I hate people who fail to quite emails correctly |
| 10:40.01 | neurodrone_ | bwahahahahahaahha |
| 10:40.04 | dzhus | quote? :-) |
| 10:40.04 | neurodrone_ | yeah right |
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| 10:41.50 | kblin | quote, yeah |
| 10:42.05 | kblin | too annoyed to spell right |
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| 10:51.24 | Robin_1 | wow,what happen? |
| 10:53.25 | Ivanovic | kblin: you know, quoating is a difficult problem |
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| 10:54.00 | Ivanovic | it is so hard to remove what is not required in your reply and put the reply right below the text, this is, hmmm, almost as difficult as ordering a pizza... |
| 10:54.02 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 10:56.02 | Dark_Shikari | kblin: heh, happens all the time on ffmpeg MLs |
| 10:56.09 | Dark_Shikari | some new guy comes in and top-posts, and is told not to do it |
| 10:56.14 | Dark_Shikari | and takes about 5 posts to learn how interleaved quoting works |
| 10:56.20 | Dark_Shikari | And that's if their mail client works correctly |
| 10:56.32 | Dark_Shikari | god help them if they're using something that completely mangles the threading |
| 10:56.33 | thiago_home | and a flame-war on whether top-posting or bottom-posting is better? |
| 10:56.42 | Dark_Shikari | interleaved is always better |
| 10:56.48 | Dark_Shikari | lets you tell both the top and bottom posters to shut up |
| 10:56.58 | Dark_Shikari | anyways, it's ML policy, and you have to agree with it before signing up anyways |
| 10:57.04 | Dark_Shikari | thus eliminating all flamewars |
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| 10:59.01 | kblin | Dark_Shikari: no, I mean actually messing up the > characters |
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| 10:59.32 | kblin | Dark_Shikari: so parts of the quote show up as new text, and parts of the new text show up as quoted |
| 10:59.37 | Dark_Shikari | kblin: that happens too, mostly due to broken mail clients |
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| 11:01.53 | kblin | nods |
| 11:02.04 | kblin | I still hate to read emails like that |
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| 13:05.20 | kblin | dammit. |
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| 13:10.00 | thebolt | kblin: not your day today? |
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| 13:12.34 | kblin | thebolt: Well, instead of being at a medieval festival with my girlfriend, I'm stuck at home trying to inflate my thesis to 50 pages. I'm currently looking for stuff to put into the biological background, and noticed that about a month ago a genome project sequencing the very species of Streptomyces I've been working on |
| 13:13.17 | kblin | thebolt: so I thought I could give my search tool a whirl on the real thing(tm) |
| 13:13.32 | kblin | but the genome hasn't been published yet |
| 13:14.02 | kblin | meaning it'll probably published right after I handed in my thesis |
| 13:14.26 | kblin | adds a "be" somewhere there |
| 13:14.29 | thebolt | kblin: sounds a bit sucky.. |
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| 13:14.33 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: (random.choice(("g","a","t","c") for a in range(LENGTH_OF_GENOME)) - they'd never know ;) |
| 13:15.08 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: sure they will. Actinobacteria have a GC content of ~70% :) |
| 13:16.21 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: Really? How interesting |
| 13:16.28 | thebolt | kblin: so weight it ;) |
| 13:16.35 | thebolt | non-uniform random sequence;) |
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| 13:16.51 | kblin | I can live with not having checked that genome, but it'd be very nice to see if my predictions would also work out on the actual organism we;re trying to work on |
| 13:17.03 | thebolt | hehe |
| 13:17.21 | kblin | I guess I'll have to convince the biologists to write a paper if our results are positive |
| 13:17.35 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: Don't worry if you don't know, but what's the entropy-per-nucleobase of a genome? |
| 13:18.15 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: I'm not sure anybody ever looked at this |
| 13:18.24 | MatthewWilkes | 70% GC suggests a pretty poor encoding |
| 13:18.52 | MatthewWilkes | Obviously loads is non-coding and foreign replicators that have merged in, but I always assumed a fairly normal distribution |
| 13:19.19 | kblin | actually eukaryotes have much more cruft in their genomes |
| 13:19.44 | kblin | at least the three streptomyces genomes I looked at were pretty tightly packed |
| 13:20.01 | kblin | and of course the biological use of the "cruft" is still uncertain |
| 13:20.13 | haoyu | I noticed the google office meetup section in the private student wiki removed. what's that mean? |
| 13:20.30 | MatthewWilkes | Indeed, it's cruft in the same way that old incremental backups are cruft |
| 13:20.33 | kblin | haoyu: probably no office meetups planned? |
| 13:20.54 | skbohra | is sad |
| 13:21.17 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: not really. with old incremental backups, you know why you want to keep them |
| 13:21.26 | haoyu | kblin, it said "Join the meetups list. " in this section. but I can't see any thread in this mailling list has info about office meetup |
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| 13:22.13 | kblin | haoyu: I'd suggest you worry about your project now and about the social activities after the program :) |
| 13:22.13 | thebolt | skbohra: oh? |
| 13:22.58 | skbohra | thebolt: no google office meetups, I was dieing for that |
| 13:23.00 | haoyu | kblin, why? It is community bonding period now. GSoC is also a community, right? |
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| 13:23.23 | thebolt | skbohra: ah, thought it was something serious :P |
| 13:23.26 | kblin | I don't see why you'd need a google office to do so |
| 13:23.55 | skbohra | thebolt: I broke up with my girl friend |
| 13:24.12 | skbohra | thebolt: is that enough serious :D |
| 13:24.14 | haoyu | kblin, because there's free food in google office :D |
| 13:24.25 | thebolt | skbohra: that sucks |
| 13:25.21 | thebolt | skbohra: must say the whole girl-issue is getting to my head lately.. mostly in a good way but damn it can make you lay awake alot thinking :P |
| 13:26.17 | kblin | thebolt: you'll get over that in time ;) |
| 13:26.56 | skbohra | thebolt: that was enough serious thing I thought ;) |
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| 13:28.20 | thebolt | kblin: yea.. i guess so, but you know sometimes i am an optimist so i want a good outcome :P |
| 13:28.22 | kblin | haoyu: sure. but $500 will buy a lot of pizza as well :) |
| 13:29.06 | kblin | thebolt: if you're an optimist, why do you lie awake worrying? ;) |
| 13:29.22 | thebolt | kblin: sometimes i said.. at other times i am a untreatable realist |
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| 13:30.13 | kblin | hums "look for the bare necessities" and goes back to work |
| 13:30.39 | ojwb | hmm, I seem to have thought that log(10) is e for some reason |
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| 13:30.57 | thebolt | ojwb: depends on which log.. |
| 13:31.06 | ojwb | well, there is that |
| 13:31.28 | thebolt | sometimes log(without any given base) indicates base e, sometimes base 10 |
| 13:31.37 | ojwb | um, yes |
| 13:31.44 | thebolt | and ln (log base e) of 10 is 2.3026.. |
| 13:31.45 | ojwb | but log to the base e of 10 isn't e |
| 13:31.47 | thebolt | not e;) |
| 13:31.51 | ojwb | indeed |
| 13:32.06 | ojwb | this is log to an unspecified base, just to help matters |
| 13:32.11 | thebolt | hehe |
| 13:32.22 | thebolt | so you have log_x(10) = e? |
| 13:32.26 | ojwb | which I think means there is no right or wrong answer |
| 13:32.37 | ojwb | or at least e is not definitely wrong |
| 13:32.53 | ojwb | it's just a factor in a test that something isn't O(n*n) |
| 13:33.06 | ojwb | but n*log(n) is OK |
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| 13:33.53 | thebolt | okay, yea well when talking about O(..) the base doesn't matter |
| 13:34.11 | thebolt | as log_n(x) = ln(x)/ln(n) |
| 13:34.20 | thebolt | (and ln(n) is a constant thats folded away) |
| 13:36.27 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WMD-45KKRX1-1V&_user=10&_coverDate=10%2F07%2F1997&_rdoc=12&_fmt=high&_orig=browse&_srch=doc-info(%23toc%236932%231997%23998119996%23303960%23FLT%23display%23Volume)&_cdi=6932&_sort=d&_docanchor=&_ct=14&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=e66fc296376127008bb0417eafdf2e64 |
| 13:37.00 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: short and nice url |
| 13:37.13 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
| 13:37.32 | kblin | I somehow don't believe that Streptomyces viridochromogenes has a 17 Mbp genome |
| 13:37.42 | ojwb | likes that the site is "science *direct*" |
| 13:39.13 | kblin | well, provided you hand over enough cash, you get direct access to science articles |
| 13:40.21 | ojwb | i mean because of the convoluted URL |
| 13:41.21 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: Or your university hands over the cash, as mine did |
| 13:41.42 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: yeah, same here |
| 13:41.52 | kblin | ojwb: http://dx.doi.org/10.1006/jtbi.1997.0493 would have worked as well :) |
| 13:42.41 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: at least now that I'm using my institute's proxy server |
| 13:42.46 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
| 13:43.04 | MatthewWilkes | I just asked to be redirected to the UK Access Management foundation and logged on with shibboleth |
| 13:43.09 | MatthewWilkes | federation* |
| 13:44.58 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: well, I can never remember which of the subscriptions are IP-based and which use another mechanism |
| 13:45.26 | kblin | so I just fire off ssh to set up a tunnel to the proxy server and change a little browser setting |
| 13:45.37 | thebolt | heh |
| 13:45.39 | kblin | makes life much easier |
| 13:46.10 | thebolt | most stuff i need (ieee and acm) i get by logging into hthe library page of my uni in sweden, then access the links from there |
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| 13:46.15 | thebolt | although i have realized that IEEE i have IP-based access from my dorm as well |
| 13:46.26 | thebolt | (but then the PDFs are marekd with the name of the uni here ;) |
| 13:46.46 | kblin | hm, never tried the technical stuff |
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| 13:47.33 | kblin | I think the most on-topic journals that focus on the computer science part of my field are open access journals anyway :) |
| 13:47.50 | kblin | yay for that :) |
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| 13:51.49 | kblin | wow. I've never heard of "recalcitrant" before.. the stuff you learn... |
| 13:52.38 | Dark_Shikari | I see "recalcitrant" and think of calcite |
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| 19:26.05 | gamma | hi |
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| 19:27.12 | Zahra_0298 | Hi everyone! |
| 19:27.49 | gamma | me working on phpmyadmin. I need to know which environment should i use?? |
| 19:28.18 | dzhus | a friendly one. |
| 19:28.27 | thiago_home | gamma: why are you asking us? |
| 19:29.15 | Zahra_0298 | Hey gamma, I have a similar question since I am working on phpmyadmin |
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| 19:29.38 | gamma | coz i am currentlt using windows i need to know should i shift on linux |
| 19:30.18 | dzhus | gamma: You should have done this if that's necessary for you project |
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| 19:31.19 | Zahra_0298 | I don't have an idea but i wish if some one working on php can help me debug php code |
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| 19:31.40 | thiago_home | debugs PHP by way of print/echo in the code |
| 19:32.20 | gamma | as linux is opensource like phpmyadmin |
| 19:33.16 | thiago_home | gamma: did your organisation ask you to use Linux? |
| 19:33.54 | gamma | no there are no such specifications |
| 19:34.12 | thiago_home | then you don't have to |
| 19:34.24 | thiago_home | can you work on phpadmin and test your changes? |
| 19:34.24 | gamma | :) |
| 19:35.23 | gamma | yup i recently changed the config file and the changes were there |
| 19:36.18 | Zahra_0298 | but this means that I can always view changes by echoing the values |
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| 19:37.02 | Zahra_0298 | Isn't that a difficult job... i don;t know why i feel that there should hav been some IDE |
| 19:39.11 | dzhus | Zahra_0298: there're debuggers for PHP |
| 19:39.32 | Zahra_0298 | could you name and explain some |
| 19:39.49 | Zahra_0298 | commonly used debuggers |
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| 19:46.16 | dzhus | Zahra_0298: http://tinyurl.com/dc56or |
| 19:47.11 | dwins | hulu.com |
| 19:47.29 | dwins | notes ctrl+tab != alt+tab |
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| 19:59.54 | D3f0 | is away: Ausente por el momento |
| 20:00.46 | Zahra_0298 | hey thanks! thats interesting |
| 20:02.30 | gamma | Zahra_0298: you can use eclipse too |
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| 20:04.15 | Zahra_0298 | gamma you could also check the link by dzhus |
| 20:04.46 | Zahra_0298 | well, does eclipse allow debugging |
| 20:05.08 | gamma | yes i saw those :) |
| 20:05.30 | gamma | yup http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-debug/ |
| 20:06.24 | t0ms | gamma: what's your blog? :) |
| 20:06.40 | t0ms | what is your blog's URL plz* |
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