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| 00:10.23 | Mkop1 | hands in his geek card, with head hanging waaaay low |
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| 00:17.06 | r0bby | ugh |
| 00:17.18 | r0bby | jquery is acting up :( |
| 00:17.58 | r0bby | that's why |
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| 00:24.03 | jaguarandi | !next |
| 00:24.03 | socinfo | "next" is Check to see if you're accepted by visiting organization home pages at http://tinyurl.com/orghome Accepted students will be added to the private student mailing list in the next few days and Google will ask for tax forms and proof of enrollment later. Meanwhile, start bonding with your community. |
| 00:24.19 | jaguarandi | !stats |
| 00:24.20 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 00:25.02 | jaguarandi | is there GSoC stats available? and those fancy maps populated with users? |
| 00:25.20 | ojwb | not yet, at least for this year |
| 00:25.52 | ojwb | a google spreadsheet of stats for previous years was posted to the google open source blog a few weeks ago |
| 00:26.10 | jaguarandi | yeah I saw that |
| 00:26.52 | jaguarandi | i was interested in knowing how many people from portugal got accepted (and if they live nearby :o) |
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| 00:27.15 | jaguarandi | then I must wait for the fancy map stats ^__^ |
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| 00:33.52 | MatthewWilkes | evening all |
| 00:34.05 | jasebo | morning MatthewWilkes |
| 00:35.17 | Mkop1 | evening, MatthewWilkes |
| 00:37.38 | MatthewWilkes | urgh, I suppose I should read my email |
| 00:37.40 | MatthewWilkes | Not looked today |
| 00:37.46 | MatthewWilkes | it's going to be fuuuulllll |
| 00:38.15 | ojwb | of? |
| 00:38.20 | MatthewWilkes | mails :P |
| 00:38.32 | ojwb | because it always is? |
| 00:38.35 | ojwb | or something special |
| 00:38.37 | MatthewWilkes | prettymuch |
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| 00:45.54 | ross` | hi all |
| 00:45.59 | ross` | hows everyone doing |
| 00:47.34 | dmb | hi ross` |
| 00:47.45 | ross` | oh hi dmb |
| 00:47.47 | ross` | your here too> |
| 00:47.55 | dmb | i'm everywhere |
| 00:47.58 | ross` | dmb: http://pics.dimassimo.info/workstation5-1.jpg |
| 00:47.59 | ross` | my new setup |
| 00:48.01 | ross` | hehe |
| 00:48.15 | dmb | nice |
| 00:48.31 | ross` | dmb: aint it :) |
| 00:48.38 | ross` | there's more there then meets the eye |
| 00:48.50 | ross` | the keyboard/mouse/monitor on the far right near the bunk bed |
| 00:48.52 | ross` | thats a kvm |
| 00:48.52 | ross` | :) |
| 00:48.57 | dmb | oh |
| 00:49.29 | ross` | :) |
| 00:49.47 | ross` | my unclue gave me 2x dell GX280's |
| 00:49.54 | ross` | single core pentium 4 2.8ghz |
| 00:49.56 | ross` | they still work |
| 00:50.09 | ross` | they came with 256mb ram each but i spent $42 so now both have 2gb |
| 00:50.21 | ross` | and he gave me the 3 lcd 15 inch monitors |
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| 00:51.12 | dmb | oh |
| 00:51.34 | p_l | that's quite new hw... |
| 00:52.22 | ross` | p_l: hmm? |
| 00:52.58 | ross` | dmb: the 15inch thats raised on the right of the bigger monitor is just a second monitor in the VGA port for my laptop |
| 00:53.01 | ross` | the xps :) |
| 00:53.04 | p_l | two, three years ago I was wishing for something capable of supporting SSE2 ;-) |
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| 00:53.28 | ross` | p_l: im not sure exactly the cpu flags on the gx280's |
| 00:53.45 | p_l | ross`: Pentium 4. SSE2 was introduced in those |
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| 00:54.08 | ross` | p_l: ahhhh ok |
| 00:54.17 | ross` | i dont think they support lm to |
| 00:55.09 | p_l | heh... I recall how my first 64bit machine turned to be a scavenged alpha ;-) |
| 00:55.45 | ross` | my laptop is nice |
| 00:55.51 | ross` | duel core 2.1ghz |
| 00:56.00 | ross` | x86_64 |
| 00:56.03 | ross` | 4gb ram |
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| 00:58.12 | p_l | I'll have to repair my old one and upgrade it a little. It will make for a nice server/destop till I get something better |
| 00:58.23 | ross` | :) |
| 00:58.44 | ross` | all the stuff connected to my kvm is linux |
| 00:58.54 | ross` | and my laptop and 1 gx280 is duel boot |
| 00:58.59 | ross` | or will be, the laptop already is |
| 00:59.06 | ross` | but the gx280 ill make duel boot proly tomarrow |
| 01:00.04 | p_l | Well, I'd like to keep something for occassional gaming, and unfortunately not all games will be content under virtual machine :) |
| 01:00.29 | ross` | exactly why i run windows as a duel boot option |
| 01:00.29 | ross` | :0 |
| 01:01.51 | skiquel | excid3: hey, SIU? |
| 01:01.55 | p_l | the problem is, I'll probably need a stable server to keep virtual machines on for various testing and development purposes... and only my old laptop has hw virt. to make it really work... as well as having much faster gpu :/ |
| 01:02.08 | excid3 | yessir skiquel |
| 01:02.09 | ross` | mmhmm |
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| 01:03.59 | excid3 | skiquel, where are you from? |
| 01:04.30 | skiquel | chicagoland |
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| 01:04.47 | skiquel | how is computer science there? |
| 01:04.49 | excid3 | awesome |
| 01:04.50 | skiquel | any linux people? |
| 01:04.58 | excid3 | it's alright, not too many linux guys |
| 01:05.03 | excid3 | i'm one of the few :D |
| 01:05.48 | excid3 | how about you? |
| 01:05.49 | skiquel | excellence |
| 01:05.51 | skiquel | bravery |
| 01:06.01 | skiquel | i am a member of codlug |
| 01:06.03 | skiquel | www.codlug.org |
| 01:06.06 | skiquel | we're defunct now |
| 01:06.20 | skiquel | but we have some LUG activity as you go deeper in the chicago area |
| 01:06.34 | skiquel | feel free to join #luni and #ubuntu-chicago |
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| 01:06.41 | excid3 | awesome |
| 01:07.13 | excid3 | I'm from jacksonville, just go to school down here, i'm not sure if there are any good lug's in stlouis or not, haven't really had time to check |
| 01:07.16 | excid3 | really busy |
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| 01:31.25 | ojwb | oi! |
| 01:31.34 | ojwb | we'll have no mistreatment of fish in here |
| 01:31.42 | Catfish_Man | indeed |
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| 06:45.44 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 06:52.21 | ibot | vnkatesh is currently on #gsoc (7m 29s). Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen vnkatesh'. |
| 06:52.56 | ojwb | wonders what the fascination is |
| 06:53.00 | skiquel | H |
| 06:53.01 | skiquel | Hi |
| 06:53.28 | vnkatesh | !next |
| 06:53.28 | socinfo | "next" is Check to see if you're accepted by visiting organization home pages at http://tinyurl.com/orghome Accepted students will be added to the private student mailing list in the next few days and Google will ask for tax forms and proof of enrollment later. Meanwhile, start bonding with your community. |
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| 07:01.29 | vnkatesh | ar1nd4m are u there? |
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| 07:16.32 | ar1nd4m | vnkatesh, yes |
| 07:17.13 | vnkatesh | hi ar1nd4m |
| 07:17.22 | vnkatesh | I was going through the logs |
| 07:17.26 | ar1nd4m | hey vnkatesh |
| 07:17.28 | vnkatesh | and even I had a similar query |
| 07:17.35 | ar1nd4m | which query, vnkatesh ? |
| 07:17.44 | vnkatesh | I'd also be visiting my sis in the us, |
| 07:17.47 | vnkatesh | for about three weeks |
| 07:17.50 | vnkatesh | during the gsoc period |
| 07:17.56 | vnkatesh | would this create a problem? |
| 07:18.15 | ar1nd4m | ok. AFAIK, you need to have a work permit in us to submit patches |
| 07:18.26 | ar1nd4m | you can stop working for the time you are there |
| 07:18.37 | ar1nd4m | or simply not submit any patches during that period |
| 07:18.42 | vnkatesh | no, 3 weeks is too long to stop working. |
| 07:18.54 | vnkatesh | so, which place are you going to? |
| 07:19.07 | ar1nd4m | mine is a vacation, probably australia. |
| 07:19.17 | vnkatesh | are they really going to be that strict? |
| 07:19.41 | ar1nd4m | actually, nobody checks. |
| 07:19.59 | ar1nd4m | but rules are rules ;) |
| 07:20.47 | vnkatesh | :) |
| 07:20.48 | vnkatesh | good to know. |
| 07:20.56 | vnkatesh | and finally, a tax query. |
| 07:21.17 | vnkatesh | ar1nd4m, is the first year of income tax free? |
| 07:21.28 | vnkatesh | I don't even have a PAN card! |
| 07:21.34 | ar1nd4m | I dont think so |
| 07:22.03 | vnkatesh | do you have any idea how much time it takes to get a pan card? |
| 07:22.03 | ar1nd4m | how do you define first year anyway ? |
| 07:22.11 | ar1nd4m | PAN card takes about 2-3 months |
| 07:22.18 | ar1nd4m | anyway you wont need it for gsoc application |
| 07:22.47 | ar1nd4m | indians just need a confirmation from the institute that so & so is a student in that department |
| 07:22.49 | vnkatesh | I've never earned before, so this, could be the first year I actually get taxable income. |
| 07:23.05 | ar1nd4m | atleast was till last year |
| 07:23.06 | vnkatesh | so tax returns does not need pan card? |
| 07:23.27 | vnkatesh | is 4500usd below our tax limit?, I don't think so |
| 07:23.32 | ar1nd4m | hmm, vnkatesh , I might be wrong, but me thinks min. taxable income is 3lakhs |
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| 07:25.58 | vnkatesh | ar1nd4m http://www.incometaxindia.gov.in/general/computation.asp#c1 says otherwise at 1.5lakhs |
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| 07:26.23 | ar1nd4m | and so I am proven wrong :D |
| 07:26.49 | vnkatesh | :) |
| 07:27.09 | ar1nd4m | anyway, this is for the next financial year, get your PAN card now and make sure you pay it next year |
| 07:27.21 | vnkatesh | ok. fine. |
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| 07:28.51 | lut4rp | vnkatesh, how can you get a PAN card now? |
| 07:29.16 | vnkatesh | I really don't know, will have to ask my parents.. |
| 07:29.18 | lut4rp | PAN cards are for people who are employed |
| 07:29.26 | lut4rp | or who have a constant income source |
| 07:29.38 | vnkatesh | but we have to file tax returns for this, right? |
| 07:29.44 | lut4rp | which is why i had told you, this 'income' will not be taxable :) |
| 07:30.01 | lut4rp | no, IIRC you don't |
| 07:30.14 | lut4rp | but i will get this confirmed from an authority and get back to you |
| 07:30.19 | vnkatesh | thanks. :) |
| 07:30.30 | vnkatesh | which authority? :) |
| 07:30.49 | lut4rp | a CA :) |
| 07:30.57 | vnkatesh | ok. |
| 07:30.59 | ar1nd4m | wait, I have a PAN card |
| 07:31.05 | ar1nd4m | and I am not yet employed |
| 07:31.21 | lut4rp | ar1nd4m, ?? |
| 07:31.25 | lut4rp | you do? |
| 07:31.27 | ar1nd4m | yes |
| 07:31.30 | ar1nd4m | I do |
| 07:31.52 | lut4rp | wow, against what did they issue it to you? |
| 07:31.53 | runasand | :) |
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| 07:31.55 | skbohra | I too have a pan card and I too don't earn |
| 07:31.55 | vnkatesh | yeah that should be possible, i've seen in the news of 6 month babies getting a PAN card :D |
| 07:32.07 | skbohra | even a child can have a pan card |
| 07:32.13 | ar1nd4m | against being an indian citizen |
| 07:32.14 | skbohra | yeah |
| 07:32.15 | lut4rp | PAN means Personal Account Number |
| 07:32.20 | lut4rp | its for account holder |
| 07:32.22 | skbohra | simply |
| 07:32.25 | lut4rp | its not a play thing :) |
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| 07:32.45 | lut4rp | OK, so this needs legal clarification |
| 07:32.45 | skbohra | its better to fill income tax return |
| 07:32.56 | skbohra | even you don't have income |
| 07:33.01 | skbohra | :D |
| 07:33.18 | ojwb | would suggest simply phoning your local tax office and asking |
| 07:33.28 | lut4rp | ojwb, that would be one hellish job :P |
| 07:33.34 | ojwb | get a name for who you spoke to in case you later give a different answer |
| 07:33.39 | skbohra | ojwb: it isn't that simple here :D |
| 07:33.43 | ojwb | at least in the UK, I've always found them most helpful |
| 07:33.48 | lut4rp | this is India :) |
| 07:33.50 | ar1nd4m | ojwb, india is ahem, different |
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| 07:33.54 | lut4rp | haha |
| 07:33.57 | vnkatesh | :) |
| 07:34.02 | ojwb | was probably speaking to someone in India |
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| 07:34.12 | ojwb | given where most "UK" call centres actually seem to be |
| 07:34.22 | ar1nd4m | lol |
| 07:34.28 | lut4rp | thats a different thing altogether |
| 07:34.46 | Landon | kicks ssh |
| 07:34.54 | ar1nd4m | well, call centre guys have to retain a job, not so with government officials |
| 07:35.26 | vnkatesh | ojwb, what if I have to go to the us, for about 3 weeks... during the gsoc period? |
| 07:35.38 | vnkatesh | do I really have to take a work permit? |
| 07:35.48 | vnkatesh | I'm actually just accompanying my mother... |
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| 07:36.26 | ojwb | if you want to work while there you should have one |
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| 07:36.53 | ojwb | the immigration guys sometimes grill me about if I'm planning to work while I'm there |
| 07:37.00 | vnkatesh | ok. |
| 07:37.01 | ojwb | including once on a ski trip |
| 07:37.06 | vnkatesh | :) |
| 07:37.15 | ojwb | like I'd miss skiing to work illegally |
| 07:37.22 | vnkatesh | the visa guys are bad! |
| 07:38.01 | ojwb | it is the most hostile country I've entered, but I suspect the UK isn't much fun if you aren't EU |
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| 07:38.40 | ojwb | NZ has always been fine, even before I had residency |
| 07:39.30 | hypa7ia | you won't be let in to the country if you say you're working while there on vacation |
| 07:39.33 | hypa7ia | to the US |
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| 07:40.53 | LawnGnome | hypa7ia: That's true in quite a lot of places I've been. It's just the ability to bribe the immigration people that varies. :P |
| 07:41.41 | hypa7ia | lol |
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| 07:42.13 | hypa7ia | otoh, if you're quietly working on your laptop at a relative's house... nuff said. |
| 07:42.28 | ojwb | had a bit of a hard time when arriving for attending the mentor summit last year |
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| 07:42.48 | lut4rp | vnkatesh, http://www.incometaxindia.gov.in/PAN/Overview.asp |
| 07:43.24 | lut4rp | vnkatesh, as i see it, the 6m old kid who has one is prolly illegal :) |
| 07:43.35 | hypa7ia | ojwb: really? o_0 |
| 07:44.00 | ojwb | yeah, he seemed to want a letter of invitation or something |
| 07:44.07 | ojwb | eventually he gave up |
| 07:44.22 | hypa7ia | yeah, we had to write those for speakers at the conference i help run up in canada |
| 07:44.39 | ojwb | if I come again, I might just visit my old uni friend in SF instead |
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| 07:49.24 | ajuonline | good morning :) |
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| 07:50.19 | hypa7ia | yawns |
| 07:50.22 | hypa7ia | not morning here :) |
| 07:53.35 | ajuonline | weird problem with google groups |
| 07:53.57 | ajuonline | a person is trying to join and has been approved numerous times, still his email is not showing up in the members list |
| 07:54.02 | ajuonline | neither is he able to do anything. |
| 07:54.21 | p_l | act |
| 07:54.24 | ajuonline | i tried adding manually as well. sometimes it says, user already exists. but i cant see in the list |
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| 07:59.03 | vnkatesh | lut4rp, don't know :) |
| 07:59.38 | lut4rp | vnkatesh, i'm not sure either, i'll get back to you when i have a final legal confirmation. |
| 07:59.41 | vnkatesh | lut4rp, we'll see about the tax things on google-soc-india group, later. |
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| 08:04.06 | ajuonline | vnkatesh: what about it? ask? |
| 08:04.23 | vnkatesh | well, I have 2 queries.. |
| 08:04.30 | vnkatesh | first, do we need to pay tax?, |
| 08:04.41 | vnkatesh | This is my first income... |
| 08:04.48 | vnkatesh | and do I need to get a Pan card for this, |
| 08:05.05 | vnkatesh | and submit tax returns the next year? |
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| 08:05.07 | vnkatesh | secondly |
| 08:05.09 | ajuonline | to pay tax - you need a pan. i guess yes. |
| 08:05.22 | ajuonline | if you need to pay or not, ask dad :D to get a final verdict from an accountant. |
| 08:05.43 | vnkatesh | well, we'll see about this, when we actually get invited on the private mailing group.. |
| 08:05.45 | lut4rp | ajuonline, did you? |
| 08:05.49 | lut4rp | last year? |
| 08:06.21 | ajuonline | my accountant handles all that :/ |
| 08:06.31 | ajuonline | hsa been paying taxes since quite a while now |
| 08:07.50 | vnkatesh | ok thanks guys, I'd also try from my side to get this cleared from a CA :) |
| 08:07.53 | skbohra | so 33% tax right? |
| 08:08.18 | lut4rp | skbohra, it depends on the slab. Get it confirmed. |
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| 08:09.05 | skbohra | lut4rp: okies so need to confirm from an accountant |
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| 10:57.24 | sulabh_m | Does anyone know about any free easy to use flowchart drawing software |
| 10:58.11 | antarus | dia? |
| 10:59.27 | sulabh_m | dia .. hmm.. okey will try it |
| 10:59.28 | sulabh_m | thanks |
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| 11:19.17 | AirBreather | Hello everybody |
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| 11:20.33 | LimmON | AirBreather, Hi, are you russian? |
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| 11:20.40 | AirBreather | No, I'm from the US. |
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| 11:21.38 | LimmON | AirBreather, are you accepted for gsoc? |
| 11:22.03 | AirBreather | Yes, LimmON, I have been accepted for the Python Software Foundation. |
| 11:22.40 | LimmON | AirBreather, I will work on Gnome as a student. |
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| 11:23.16 | AirBreather | LimmON, that's great! What is your particular project? I use GNOME all the time |
| 11:24.46 | LimmON | I will add multisession capabilities to Brasero Nautilus extension. |
| 11:27.10 | LimmON | AirBreather, and what is your project? :) |
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| 11:38.02 | LimmON | AirBreather, I can't find you... What is your name? :) |
| 11:39.50 | skbohra_ | try whois :) |
| 11:39.57 | skbohra_ | it says  Joe Amenta |
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| 11:41.30 | LimmON | skbohra_, thanks :) |
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| 11:41.45 | skbohra_ | np |
| 11:43.19 | LimmON | skbohra_, Are you a student? |
| 11:43.30 | skbohra_ | LimmON: yes |
| 11:44.31 | LimmON | skbohra_, What is your project? |
| 11:45.15 | skbohra_ | LimmON: I am working for Sahana Disaster Management system, |
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| 11:52.57 | LimmON | Mario ÄaniÄ accepted for Python Software Foundation is a libburnia developer :) |
| 11:54.25 | ajuonline | thats pygi |
| 11:54.26 | ajuonline | ? |
| 11:55.43 | kblin | I guess so |
| 11:56.21 | kblin | I don't think anybody else is working on this |
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| 11:58.07 | ajuonline | hes one smart kid :P |
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| 12:00.57 | LimmON | ajuonline, yes :) he is pygi |
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| 12:01.26 | LimmON | pygi is very frendly :) |
| 12:01.39 | gilmorenator | Hi all |
| 12:01.51 | gilmorenator | I'm I too late to get in the 2009 SOC? |
| 12:01.57 | ajuonline | LimmON: he rocks :D |
| 12:02.05 | ajuonline | LimmON: dont tell him i told you that. |
| 12:02.05 | MaNI | gilmorenator, yes |
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| 12:02.15 | ajuonline | i usually, kick or shoot him when he is here :D |
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| 12:02.36 | arun | gilmorenator, you can always contribute to OSS projects outside the context of GSoC. |
| 12:02.50 | LimmON | ajuonline, :) |
| 12:03.15 | gilmorenator | Thanks I had totally forgotten about it - Had a busy semester at uni! |
| 12:03.34 | gilmorenator | I'll just get on with some android apps then.... |
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| 12:04.53 | ajuonline | LimmON: ;) |
| 12:05.21 | LimmON | ajuonline, Are you a student too? :) |
| 12:05.50 | ajuonline | LimmON: gsoc student - yes. univ student? fjust for a week more. |
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| 12:06.38 | dqminh | shoots ajuonline |
| 12:07.33 | LimmON | ajuonline, how old are you? that is right question :) |
| 12:08.26 | ajuonline | LimmON: 26 |
| 12:09.04 | LimmON | ajuonline, I'm 19 :) |
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| 12:09.15 | ajuonline | does a matrix thing and sends the bullet back to dqminh |
| 12:09.37 | ajuonline | literal: ok. that was the a part. now dont ask me the s and l. |
| 12:09.42 | dqminh | heh cool :) |
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| 12:13.24 | n00bishness | are there any summer coding programs on the lines of google summer of code? |
| 12:14.24 | LimmON | ajuonline, What are you will doing for gsoc? |
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| 12:21.55 | ajuonline | LimmON: umm, work on creating a Logistics System/module for Sahana [new] |
| 12:23.39 | LimmON | Sahana is popular :) |
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| 15:22.15 | rszulgo | !next |
| 15:22.15 | socinfo | "next" is Check to see if you're accepted by visiting organization home pages at http://tinyurl.com/orghome Accepted students will be added to the private student mailing list in the next few days and Google will ask for tax forms and proof of enrollment later. Meanwhile, start bonding with your community. |
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| 15:23.13 | rszulgo | are somewhere detailed stats of accepted studentds from different countries? |
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| 15:23.49 | Mek | not yet I think; but there is a SoC student that will work on a statistics module for melange :P |
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| 15:59.04 | socinfo | "next" is Check to see if you're accepted by visiting organization home pages at http://tinyurl.com/orghome Accepted students will be added to the private student mailing list in the next few days and Google will ask for tax forms and proof of enrollment later. Meanwhile, start bonding with your community. |
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| 17:00.21 | lh | !topic |
| 17:00.21 | socinfo | "topic" is Read it! /topic will show it again. |
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| 17:01.05 | *** topic/#gsoc by lh -> Students will be added to the private students mailing list soon (today or tomorrow depending on mass add request approval time) - Tax forms, proof of enrollment, etc. questions answered on that list - Results are on the website - Community Bonding Period now- Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide - This channel is logged (!logs) |
| 17:01.29 | MatthewWilkes | afternoon, lh |
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| 17:01.53 | lh | MatthewWilkes: hail unto thee MatthewWilkes |
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| 17:01.56 | lh | we're out of coffee. |
| 17:02.00 | lh | mrphs |
| 17:02.03 | theholyduck | is bored :P |
| 17:02.17 | lh | theholyduck: fix melange bugs. :) |
| 17:02.30 | theholyduck | im just in this channel for "lulz and profit" |
| 17:02.40 | MatthewWilkes | lh: But thankfully not out of tea. |
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| 17:02.45 | theholyduck | i dont actually have much programing or simlar experience |
| 17:02.48 | MatthewWilkes | distributes bog-standard tea |
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| 17:02.58 | theholyduck | im just in here because i like being in alot of channels i got nothing to do with |
| 17:03.10 | lh | MatthewWilkes: woot! tea! |
| 17:03.12 | theholyduck | makes life more intresting |
| 17:03.19 | theholyduck | MatthewWilkes, earl grey? |
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| 17:03.37 | theholyduck | i dont think there is any country in the world where you cant buy reasonably good earl grey leafs |
| 17:03.50 | MatthewWilkes | theholyduck: Nope, bog standard |
| 17:03.57 | ajuonline | lh: o haiii! |
| 17:04.02 | theholyduck | yellow label tea? |
| 17:04.04 | theholyduck | or something? |
| 17:04.15 | lh | ajuonline: hi |
| 17:04.19 | theholyduck | that generic thing they serve on most airlines? |
| 17:04.19 | lh | PM but in a sec, just ping now |
| 17:04.35 | ajuonline | lh: you lost the messages ?err? |
| 17:04.56 | ajuonline | lh: read it when you can :) |
| 17:05.18 | Landon | oh boy, activity on the ML! |
| 17:05.25 | ajuonline | Landon: has *it* started? |
| 17:05.26 | Landon | 's gotta read it allllllllll |
| 17:05.36 | ajuonline | Landon: you vowed, you wont. this year? |
| 17:05.37 | Landon | just a warning from lh |
| 17:05.41 | Landon | >.> |
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| 17:05.43 | Landon | good point |
| 17:05.51 | Landon | but it's back to 0 unread |
| 17:05.52 | Landon | :P |
| 17:05.58 | ajuonline | heh. god bless you :D |
| 17:06.03 | ajuonline | i went digest ;) long back :D |
| 17:06.10 | Landon | I can't stand digest |
| 17:06.16 | ajuonline | oh sorry. Web Only. |
| 17:06.18 | Landon | I've got it seperated into its own folder |
| 17:06.19 | Landon | ah |
| 17:06.22 | Landon | but |
| 17:06.31 | Landon | thats extra work to procrastinate |
| 17:06.35 | MatthewWilkes | theholyduck: I think it might be pg tips, but I'm not sure. Generic |
| 17:06.43 | ajuonline | MatthewWilkes: pm |
| 17:06.50 | theholyduck | MatthewWilkes, why not drink something with a bit of flavor? |
| 17:07.18 | MatthewWilkes | sure, ajuonline |
| 17:08.35 | MatthewWilkes | theholyduck: Meh, I'm at work, I just need tea |
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| 17:13.24 | lh | !timeline |
| 17:13.24 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 17:13.41 | gaurav_hiiii | !next |
| 17:13.41 | socinfo | "next" is Check to see if you're accepted by visiting organization home pages at http://tinyurl.com/orghome Accepted students will be added to the private student mailing list in the next few days and Google will ask for tax forms and proof of enrollment later. Meanwhile, start bonding with your community. |
| 17:13.50 | kblin | hi lh |
| 17:13.57 | lh | kblin: hi |
| 17:13.58 | lh | :) |
| 17:14.10 | kblin | waves from sambaxp |
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| 17:20.52 | kendrick | wanders to the cafe for a great big cup o' wakeup |
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| 17:29.24 | Landon | its my opinion |
| 17:29.29 | Landon | that if you're going to write a paper about something |
| 17:29.34 | Landon | provide some code with it :< |
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| 17:33.41 | ajuonline | Landon: even if I write a paper about, How to make coffee? |
| 17:33.47 | Landon | yes |
| 17:33.53 | ajuonline | XD |
| 17:34.02 | Landon | provide the code for connecting to your networked coffee maker |
| 17:34.09 | Landon | or your networked bean farm |
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| 17:34.40 | straydawg | lo |
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| 17:56.25 | ajuonline | looks at lh |
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| 18:07.06 | lh | ajuonline: busy :) |
| 18:07.24 | theholyduck | is still boored |
| 18:07.52 | ajuonline | lh: hmmm. ok :) np. |
| 18:07.57 | alanp | can't wait for this semester to end so I can get cracking :-) |
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| 18:26.48 | [LocK] | !next |
| 18:26.48 | socinfo | "next" is Check to see if you're accepted by visiting organization home pages at http://tinyurl.com/orghome Accepted students will be added to the private student mailing list in the next few days and Google will ask for tax forms and proof of enrollment later. Meanwhile, start bonding with your community. |
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| 18:33.39 | lh | !timeline |
| 18:33.39 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 18:35.16 | araujo | lh, hola amiga! |
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| 18:38.43 | kendrick | is gsoc over yet? ;) |
| 18:39.30 | Landon | kendrick: not until I get my tshirt! |
| 18:39.43 | kendrick | heh |
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| 18:40.16 | ajuonline | the last one? |
| 18:40.18 | Landon | man, setting up this server for bioinformatics makes me want one of my own :( |
| 18:40.21 | ajuonline | Landon: ^ |
| 18:40.26 | Landon | solid like a rock |
| 18:40.30 | Landon | like a mountain |
| 18:40.38 | spectie | borja, |
| 18:40.45 | Landon | and the BIOS is *gasp* usable |
| 18:40.58 | ajuonline | spectie: o haii :) |
| 18:41.02 | spectie | hey! |
| 18:44.14 | smtms | Landon, what BIOS is it? |
| 18:44.28 | Landon | no idea :P |
| 18:44.45 | Landon | server is a dell poweredge 1900 |
| 18:45.30 | p_l | Landon: And here I thought for a while that you got something with real firmware ;-P |
| 18:45.39 | Landon | no, nothing superdandy |
| 18:45.45 | Landon | just enough to make me want to ditch my desktop |
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| 18:49.28 | spectie | ajuonline, http://www.elpais.com/articulo/red/proyecto/espanol/traduccion/Apertium/elegido/Google/campamento/verano/virtual/elpeputeccib/20090423elpcibenr_1/Tes |
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| 18:50.09 | ajuonline | spectie: en? |
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| 18:50.22 | spectie | ajuonline, in |
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| 18:50.44 | spectie | journalists don't always play nicely but the article is ok |
| 18:51.03 | ajuonline | thats espanol? |
| 18:51.11 | spectie | ajuonline, El PaÃs is the biggest Spanish newspaper |
| 18:51.12 | spectie | yeah |
| 18:51.43 | spectie | well, pay-for anyway ;) |
| 18:51.46 | ajuonline | noz engliz onli |
| 18:52.03 | ajuonline | thats good :) |
| 18:52.13 | ajuonline | i will google translate it |
| 18:52.42 | spectie | lol |
| 18:52.46 | spectie | ajuonline, use apertium :/ |
| 18:52.50 | spectie | actually no use google |
| 18:52.56 | spectie | our spanish-->english sucks |
| 18:52.57 | spectie | :( |
| 18:53.01 | ajuonline | heh :P |
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| 18:53.26 | spectie | tries it |
| 18:53.53 | spectie | actually ours isn't that bad |
| 18:53.58 | spectie | the first paragraph is translated really well |
| 18:54.10 | spectie | second one sucks |
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| 18:54.30 | spectie | anyway, you get the idea |
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| 18:55.14 | spectie | aha ajuonline |
| 18:55.16 | spectie | you might know this |
| 18:55.18 | spectie | http://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/index.php/Main_Page |
| 18:55.23 | spectie | how does one become registered in this ? |
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| 18:56.56 | ajuonline | spectie: :P you need to wait ;) |
| 18:57.01 | spectie | ah ok |
| 18:57.06 | spectie | i'm impatient :) |
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| 19:04.46 | ajuonline | spectie: dig for info on the mentor list archives. |
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| 19:36.37 | lh | ArthurLiu: ping |
| 19:37.26 | ArthurLiu | lh, hi! |
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| 19:37.45 | ajuonline | what are we supposed to write in the "Public Info" section? |
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| 19:37.51 | ArthurLiu | what's up ? |
| 19:38.34 | ajuonline | and the Edit Proposal still doesnt work :/ |
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| 19:39.58 | eliel | would like to know how many students where accepted from argentina |
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| 19:46.10 | schumaml | wonders if there will be those "there should be more students from $country" mails again when stats are available |
| 19:47.07 | eliel | I just want to know how many, don't care if it is only me, or 1000 more... just to know... |
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| 19:54.10 | lh | ArthurLiu: hey |
| 19:54.27 | lh | do you have a student to replace your just dropped student for debian with? |
| 19:54.33 | lh | ArthurLiu: ^^ |
| 19:54.48 | ArthurLiu | no, I said, I'd give it back to the pool.. if it wasn't too late |
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| 19:57.12 | lh | ArthurLiu: it was too late. that's ok. here's what we are going to do. |
| 19:57.19 | lh | you will still get paid the 500 usd for the student |
| 19:57.35 | lh | we will set aside the student's 4500 usd potential payment for student travel scholarships. |
| 19:57.44 | lh | we give out 700 usd travel scholarships to qualified student applicants |
| 19:58.01 | lh | debian may choose to request these funds for students to attend say debconf |
| 19:58.09 | ArthurLiu | ah cool, we intend to help students pay the trip to DebConf9 in Spain this year with the google money |
| 19:58.11 | lh | or just give them back to google and i will distribute based on need |
| 19:58.16 | lh | ok there we go, done |
| 19:58.30 | lh | when it gets closer to debconf, please email me and we will talk about what is required for the travel scholarships |
| 19:58.39 | lh | all we ask in return is a post for the google open source blog |
| 19:58.51 | lh | but of course there is bureacracy to get the monies out the door |
| 19:58.55 | lh | goes back to writing documentation |
| 19:59.03 | ArthurLiu | cool, we're trying to get everyone in spain this year |
| 19:59.49 | ArthurLiu | Debian DebConf sponsorships usually aren't paid before october/november, with the conf in july :) |
| 20:01.22 | cjhopman | what are travel scholarships used for? any info on the website? |
| 20:02.02 | ajuonline | cjhopman: as the term suggests, if a student is willing to attend a conference, and wants the monies. can request using an application[i'd assume] |
| 20:02.29 | lh | actually, they email me a request. it's not formal. totally ad hoc and very very few to go around. |
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| 20:11.11 | dberkholz | lh: thought i heard something about an admin list once, but i haven't seen anything else about it. is there something i should be on that i'm not? |
| 20:11.52 | lh | dberkholz: no, there is not and never has been an admin list. i think the respondent who mentioned an admins only list was trying to save face, but i have been wrong before. |
| 20:12.07 | dberkholz | lh: ok, thanks. =) |
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| 20:12.21 | Pushkin | hi all |
| 20:15.04 | lh | dberkholz: my pleasure |
| 20:15.31 | lh | anyone here with thousand parsec? |
| 20:16.00 | summatusmentis | Landon got into thousand parse |
| 20:16.02 | summatusmentis | parse* |
| 20:16.15 | lh | yeah but i needs mentorz |
| 20:16.36 | summatusmentis | I thought at much |
| 20:16.40 | summatusmentis | also, stupid typing |
| 20:16.44 | lh | summatusmentis: thanks though |
| 20:16.54 | summatusmentis | meh, I didn't do anything |
| 20:16.59 | Landon | A THOUSAND PARSERS TO RULE THE WORLD |
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| 20:17.03 | Landon | hm |
| 20:17.05 | Landon | sounded better in my head |
| 20:17.09 | Toba | mentorz up in here \o/ |
| 20:17.09 | Landon | with a LOTR tone going on |
| 20:17.11 | Toba | rocks it |
| 20:17.24 | summatusmentis | Toba: you're thousand parsec? |
| 20:17.25 | Toba | [not thousand parsec, though] |
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| 20:17.29 | summatusmentis | oh |
| 20:17.31 | sadrul | is it kosher to plug orgs? O:) |
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| 20:18.20 | summatusmentis | Landon: stop :) |
| 20:19.44 | lh | sadrul: o giess? |
| 20:20.38 | sadrul | *cough* I have no idea what that means O:) |
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| 20:21.51 | summatusmentis | theat's a hand shifted too far to the right |
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| 20:28.52 | espinha | guys, quick q. I see a student_foreign_certification_gsoc_2009.pdf on the GSoC Group. Are we supposed to fill this in and mail it in to Google somehow? Or should we wait until we're told how and when to do so? |
| 20:29.06 | thiagoss_ | espinha: wait |
| 20:29.16 | espinha | oops, forgot to look at the topic #:) |
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| 20:39.35 | Landon | summatusmentis: red light! |
| 20:40.45 | summatusmentis | did you know that if you say "green light" over and over and over again outloud, it sounds like gullible? |
| 20:41.07 | Landon | ... |
| 20:41.09 | Landon | ass |
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| 20:41.24 | summatusmentis | :-D |
| 20:41.43 | Landon | is fond of "Did you know that if you put sugar in ketchup there's a chemical reaction that makes heat?" |
| 20:41.54 | summatusmentis | haha, I've never heard that one |
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| 20:43.12 | Landon | well |
| 20:43.17 | Landon | when they give you the questioning look |
| 20:43.30 | dmj726 | summatusmentis: surely yu've hear of the sweet ketchup arsonist? |
| 20:43.32 | Landon | you put your hand over it and tell them it feels hot |
| 20:43.37 | Landon | and when they do the same |
| 20:43.39 | Landon | smack their hand |
| 20:43.40 | Landon | :) |
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| 21:04.52 | ArthurLiu | I remember someone asked where to get a full list of students by org: bash$ L=http://socghop.appspot.com && curl -s $L/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 | grep 'id\">' | sed 's/.\{27\}\([^<]*\).*/\1/' | xargs -n 1 -I '{}' curl -s $L/org/home/google/gsoc2009/{} | grep '^ *h.*' | sed 's/[^<]*>\([^<]*\).*/\1/' |
| 21:04.57 | ArthurLiu | don't abuse it :D |
| 21:05.13 | summatusmentis | HAX |
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| 21:06.20 | kblin | lh: it's still a bit early for mithro |
| 21:07.01 | lifeeth | ArthurLiu, You could have just piped the output somewhere and put it on the web :) |
| 21:07.22 | ArthurLiu | the fun is in the "how" :) |
| 21:07.38 | lifeeth | bah! :) |
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| 21:08.34 | kblin | lh: but you're basically looking for llnz or mithro |
| 21:08.52 | lh | kblin: i know, but there was always hope that someone could act in their stead. |
| 21:08.56 | lh | already sent email |
| 21:09.00 | lh | kblin: but thanks/ |
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| 21:13.30 | llnz | hi lh |
| 21:15.00 | llnz | thank kblin |
| 21:15.18 | lh | llnz: hang on adding you to an email |
| 21:15.48 | lh | llnz: sent |
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| 21:18.23 | atulagrwl | lifeeth, i posted it on http://tinyurl.com/soc09students |
| 21:18.51 | atulagrwl | ArthurLiu, that script only gave 995 students name.. why? |
| 21:19.26 | ArthurLiu | maybe because there's only 995 students ? |
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| 21:19.47 | atulagrwl | lh, are there 995 student this year? |
| 21:20.04 | kblin | yeah, we already ate 5 of them |
| 21:20.09 | kblin | ;) |
| 21:20.18 | atulagrwl | :) |
| 21:20.18 | MaNI | well there was mention of debian losing one earlier I think |
| 21:20.19 | ajuonline | buahahahahaa |
| 21:20.52 | atulagrwl | ajuonline, your name is on 800.. :-) |
| 21:21.08 | ajuonline | doesnt trust that list :P |
| 21:21.20 | ajuonline | alphabetically, I will be way up:P |
| 21:21.26 | ArthurLiu | ajuonline, you have the source, audit it :) |
| 21:21.40 | ArthurLiu | ajuonline, it should be sorted by org first |
| 21:21.52 | ajuonline | oh but that has names only |
| 21:21.59 | ajuonline | maybe he changed the output and pasted it |
| 21:22.03 | lh | atulagrwl: no. |
| 21:22.09 | ArthurLiu | you can easily add orgs |
| 21:22.22 | ArthurLiu | just tweak the last regex |
| 21:22.31 | ajuonline | ArthurLiu: i dont want to run that on cygwin :P will do that once I switch to real bashP |
| 21:22.35 | ajuonline | bash* :P |
| 21:22.36 | lh | atulagrwl: why not be a dear and implement a fix for this in melange? there is an open issue for it. :) |
| 21:22.36 | atulagrwl | lh, exact 1000 students? |
| 21:22.44 | rohananil | thanks whoever made the unofficial list :) |
| 21:22.50 | lh | atulagrwl: we are down to 999 now |
| 21:23.00 | lh | atulagrwl: and still some moving around that needs to happen too |
| 21:23.04 | ajuonline | whoa, i like "("'s |
| 21:23.09 | ajuonline | "9"'s |
| 21:23.17 | jetru | looks at 999 upside down |
| 21:24.21 | rohananil | wonders if an organization name also could be mentioned with the student name :P |
| 21:24.37 | atulagrwl | lh, which issue.. I didn't get it. I used ArthurLiu script to get all students list and got 995 name.. hence asked it.. |
| 21:25.22 | ArthurLiu | atulagrwl, I'm checking the script, waitaminute before jumping the gun |
| 21:25.38 | lh | waits for y'all to finish this before sending a link to the issue |
| 21:26.38 | ajuonline | <finish> |
| 21:26.41 | ajuonline | </finish> |
| 21:26.49 | ajuonline | there. there. |
| 21:27.03 | kblin | ajuonline: but you didn't finish "this" |
| 21:27.07 | kblin | and xml sucks anyway |
| 21:27.15 | ajuonline | o noes, no Lennie here. |
| 21:27.33 | ajuonline | kblin: only Lennie understands my TBBT jokes :P |
| 21:27.42 | Landon | the billy bob troupe? |
| 21:28.01 | ajuonline | Landon: the big bang theory. i know you know that. |
| 21:29.29 | kblin | Landon: google says it's the Texas Banana Boat Team |
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| 21:31.39 | Landon | ah |
| 21:31.45 | ajuonline | XD |
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| 21:33.47 | ArthurLiu | atulagrwl, ok, looks like melange doesn't like being queried 142 times in a row and you one org page timed out |
| 21:34.38 | atulagrwl | ArthurLiu, ohh.., |
| 21:35.09 | atulagrwl | i was just checking.. nothing intentional.. :-) |
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| 21:40.08 | Egis | ArthurLiu: MetaBrainz Foundation page does not list any accepted students. Maybe that's way your script finds only 995 students? |
| 21:40.33 | ArthurLiu | do they actually have students ? |
| 21:40.56 | Egis | don't know |
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| 21:42.03 | atulagrwl | ArthurLiu, i did execute that script again and found the exact same students list :( |
| 21:43.40 | ArthurLiu | atulagrwl, try not to hammer the melange app.. |
| 21:44.04 | lh | !userguide |
| 21:44.04 | socinfo | "userguide" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
| 21:44.11 | ArthurLiu | it looks like openicc and metabrainz didn't have students |
| 21:44.23 | lh | looks at conversation, mutters something about gae, goes back to work |
| 21:44.44 | atulagrwl | ArthurLiu, won't execute again.. |
| 21:56.20 | lh | ArthurLiu: no they have students, they just have not created home pages. |
| 21:56.33 | lh | if anyone wants to ping in their irc channels to help, please feel free. |
| 21:56.33 | ArthurLiu | well, here's the problem |
| 21:56.35 | lh | have full hands |
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| 22:02.19 | ArthurLiu | both pinged, they're now all looking for their admins :D |
| 22:02.54 | lh | ArthurLiu: awesome, thank you very much for your help. :) |
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| 22:05.02 | llnz | thanks lh, replied |
| 22:05.14 | danderson | yay, ubuntu 9.04! |
| 22:05.39 | lh | llnz: hail! |
| 22:06.42 | ajuonline | lh: tkae out your spare hands now. |
| 22:07.16 | ajuonline | :D |
| 22:08.18 | MatthewWilkes | danderson: Yep, used it on an EC2 instance today |
| 22:08.44 | MatthewWilkes | danderson: I don't understand why people go nuts for Linux though, BSD is where it's at ;) |
| 22:08.55 | ArthurLiu | BSD is dying ! |
| 22:09.00 | MatthewWilkes | lol |
| 22:09.39 | ArthurLiu | well, we have a select project to improve Debian GNU/kFreeBSD :) |
| 22:10.09 | ArthurLiu | FreeBSD kernel with a GNU/Debian userland, APT included |
| 22:10.38 | danderson | I don't actually care either way, as long as the kernel does what I need |
| 22:10.46 | danderson | userland is where my sources of whining live |
| 22:11.19 | MatthewWilkes | I was more on about the userland, tbh. |
| 22:11.28 | MatthewWilkes | I can't stand apt ;) |
| 22:11.45 | MatthewWilkes | it reminds me of SQL with its syntax |
| 22:11.52 | ArthurLiu | oO |
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| 22:17.32 | danderson | well, I guess that makes us part of different worlds, I can't stand ports :) |
| 22:18.32 | MatthewWilkes | Ports does have its issues, I agree |
| 22:19.05 | MatthewWilkes | It's consistent though, apt has weird magic for source vs binary |
| 22:20.29 | danderson | um? |
| 22:20.40 | MatthewWilkes | ok, well, how would you install apache with apt? |
| 22:21.00 | danderson | apt-get install apache2? |
| 22:21.22 | MatthewWilkes | now, how would you install it if there was no binary package available, only a source package? |
| 22:21.56 | danderson | apt-get source apache2, dpkg-buildpackage, dpkg -i |
| 22:22.07 | danderson | however, there are never no binary packages :) |
| 22:22.16 | MatthewWilkes | That's unforgivable in my eyes ;) |
| 22:22.26 | danderson | that procedure I use only if I need to patch a package |
| 22:22.31 | danderson | which has been never in the last year |
| 22:22.44 | MatthewWilkes | I've had to do it within the last week |
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| 22:23.07 | MatthewWilkes | Don't get me wrong, it's better than no package manager |
| 22:23.19 | MatthewWilkes | but compared to that, I love ports |
| 22:23.56 | danderson | so maybe your packages are ineffective, if you find the need to patch them constantly? :) |
| 22:24.10 | danderson | that said, the procedure to build a package from source could be automated in a 20 line script |
| 22:24.24 | danderson | to get apt-get install-source apache2 or something |
| 22:24.35 | danderson | I just don't care enough, same for other users :) |
| 22:24.38 | MatthewWilkes | hehe |
| 22:24.44 | MatthewWilkes | It's the same reason I don't like git |
| 22:24.52 | MatthewWilkes | git-svn as a different command? No thanks! |
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| 22:26.10 | Dark_Shikari | you don't like git because you have to call a different command to... not use git? |
| 22:26.31 | Catfish_Man | I have to call a different command to not use git too |
| 22:26.39 | Catfish_Man | but it's "hg" ;) |
| 22:26.45 | thiago_home | MatthewWilkes: solution: stop using SVN |
| 22:26.49 | danderson | um, and I don't call it as a different command |
| 22:26.55 | danderson | I invoke `git svn foo ...` |
| 22:27.05 | danderson | the `git` binary is a router shell |
| 22:27.17 | Dark_Shikari | yeah, that makes no sense, it isn't even git-svn |
| 22:27.18 | Dark_Shikari | it's git svn |
| 22:27.25 | Dark_Shikari | much like git pull, git checkout, git rebase, etc |
| 22:27.47 | danderson | it used to be both, but they moved the git-* versions out of $PATH |
| 22:27.51 | danderson | to avoid the binary spam :P |
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| 22:28.15 | MatthewWilkes | danderson: bzr, on the other hand treats svn as a protocol, like svn handles svn+ssh:// https:// svn:// etc - now I like that |
| 22:28.39 | MatthewWilkes | Not that I've moved to a DVCS yet, tried git, bzr and hg, none of them have won my attention yet |
| 22:28.41 | Dark_Shikari | that's hardly a good reason to pick a version control system |
| 22:28.51 | danderson | except that no project I talk to uses bzr |
| 22:28.56 | danderson | they all use svn, git or hg |
| 22:29.02 | Dark_Shikari | the whole DVCS thing is a complete red herring |
| 22:29.07 | Dark_Shikari | git is good because of the feature sit has |
| 22:29.09 | Dark_Shikari | *features it has |
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| 22:29.18 | MatthewWilkes | Dark_Shikari: The user interface of a programme is an excellent reason to throw something out |
| 22:29.21 | Dark_Shikari | the fact that it's DVCS doesn't make it inherently better |
| 22:29.31 | Dark_Shikari | MatthewWilkes: a single feature in the interface that almost nobody will ever use |
| 22:29.32 | hypa7ia | i disagree |
| 22:29.35 | Dark_Shikari | that you personally disagree with? |
| 22:29.49 | hypa7ia | we use a vcs at work that has quite decent branching and merging |
| 22:29.51 | Dark_Shikari | so if firefox put the reload button on the bottom of the right click menu instead of on the top, that would be a reason not to use firefox? |
| 22:29.53 | hypa7ia | but isn't distributed |
| 22:29.59 | hypa7ia | and it annoys me to no end |
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| 22:30.05 | danderson | okay, folks |
| 22:30.10 | danderson | we're entering the VCS holy war |
| 22:30.12 | danderson | we should stop now |
| 22:30.18 | hypa7ia | hmm, good point |
| 22:30.23 | danderson | nobody agrees, nor will ever agree |
| 22:30.23 | Dark_Shikari | you only get a vcs holy war if you have idiots involved |
| 22:30.25 | danderson | that is the way :) |
| 22:30.28 | Dark_Shikari | normal people can use svn, git, etc |
| 22:30.34 | MatthewWilkes | meh, I'm undecided, so I'm not sure how I can have a holy war, but fair enough |
| 22:30.41 | Dark_Shikari | but then you get some guy in who insists that svn is the incarnation of all that is good |
| 22:30.43 | danderson | Dark_Shikari: even "normal people" have opinions |
| 22:30.51 | Dark_Shikari | or that git is absolutely flawless for everything |
| 22:30.53 | danderson | and for some reason, VCS opinions are as strong as editor opinions |
| 22:31.02 | MatthewWilkes | feels like the neutral ambassador from Futurama |
| 22:31.02 | Landon | it's all good |
| 22:31.04 | Landon | I mean |
| 22:31.06 | Landon | it could be perforce |
| 22:31.07 | Landon | :) |
| 22:31.08 | Dark_Shikari | the modern editor war resulted from Eternal September |
| 22:31.15 | Dark_Shikari | The original editor war was an in-joke between hackers |
| 22:31.16 | danderson | including the strong opinion that everyone is entitled to use everything and that nothing is perfect |
| 22:31.21 | danderson | which just fans the flames of the fanboys |
| 22:31.23 | danderson | so, again |
| 22:31.25 | danderson | can we stop? :) |
| 22:31.33 | Dark_Shikari | but as newbiew jumped on, the editor war went from "ha ha only serious" to "serious" |
| 22:31.36 | Dark_Shikari | *newbies |
| 22:31.39 | Dark_Shikari | and thus became fail |
| 22:31.40 | danderson | so, again |
| 22:31.41 | danderson | can we stop? :) |
| 22:31.44 | Dark_Shikari | stop what? |
| 22:31.46 | hypa7ia | Landon: our official corporate VCS is perforce. we use Accurev as we just got acquired and had a different standard. both make me want to stab myself in the eyes. |
| 22:31.46 | tierra | yes, can this channel please stay on-topic |
| 22:31.50 | ajuonline | \o/ |
| 22:31.50 | Dark_Shikari | you're the only one continuing to argue about VCSs |
| 22:31.56 | Dark_Shikari | everyone else moved on :/ |
| 22:32.07 | Landon | hypa7ia: at my work we're doing stuff with outside research-y places |
| 22:32.10 | Landon | and they want us to use perforce |
| 22:32.15 | Dark_Shikari | oh dear |
| 22:32.17 | MatthewWilkes | Dark_Shikari: And, ftr, a guy from the plone community has just become UI lead for firefox, so if the refresh button bugged me I'd moan at him ;) |
| 22:32.24 | Landon | we ended up pulling from perforce once in a while and pushing it on our SVN |
| 22:32.29 | danderson | flips bozo bit |
| 22:32.30 | hypa7ia | perforce makes the (metaphorical) baby jesus cry |
| 22:32.32 | Dark_Shikari | MatthewWilkes: and it's pointless as you can move it with that menu reordering extension anyways ;) |
| 22:32.55 | MatthewWilkes | danderson? |
| 22:33.02 | tierra | you guys can take this to #gsoc-ot or something |
| 22:33.40 | hypa7ia | suggests #gsoc-flamewar |
| 22:33.48 | hypa7ia | where all conversations must be held in all caps |
| 22:33.55 | MatthewWilkes | hehe, nice idea |
| 22:33.59 | Catfish_Man | enforced by bot |
| 22:34.03 | hypa7ia | Catfish_Man: yes |
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| 23:15.20 | ajuonline | 0445 am, i cant sleep :/ |
| 23:15.41 | skiquel | ajuonline: where are you located? |
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| 23:18.10 | ajuonline | skiquel: India. |
| 23:18.15 | ajuonline | and the birds are chirping already |
| 23:18.37 | skiquel | ArthurLiu: Nice scripting at 16:04, did you make that from scratch |
| 23:18.43 | skiquel | ahh |
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| 23:22.22 | ArthurLiu | yup, bash foo :) |
| 23:23.04 | ArthurLiu | it's purposely obfuscated though |
| 23:23.09 | ajuonline | or foo bash |
| 23:23.57 | theholyduck | bash is awesome fun to play with :P |
| 23:24.21 | theholyduck | because whenever you create something that actually works, its like you performed a sacrilege against the computer gods |
| 23:24.58 | theholyduck | one should try to write a complete irc server in bash, just for the purpose of hillarity |
| 23:25.49 | hypa7ia | i sent irc over laser this weekend |
| 23:25.57 | hypa7ia | it was complicated |
| 23:27.39 | theholyduck | lunar has a package manager written entirely in bash. |
| 23:27.55 | theholyduck | and it works better and faster than most normal package managers |
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| 23:30.44 | Raim | theholyduck: the freenx server is written in bash for the sake of writing something in bash |
| 23:30.47 | Raim | which is a bad argument in my opinion |
| 23:31.09 | Raim | skill is not to write something in any esoteric language but also to choose the right tool for the job |
| 23:31.23 | theholyduck | Raim, well "for shits and giggles" pretty much sums it up |
| 23:31.38 | theholyduck | sometimes you just want to do something silly for the heck of it |
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| 23:36.08 | lh | r0bby: did you or did you not read what i wrote? holy crap dude. |
| 23:36.45 | antarus | lh: is your day going as badly as mine? :) |
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| 23:37.13 | lh | antarus: no, actually i am having a truly fantastic day. |
| 23:37.14 | lh | :) |
| 23:37.21 | lh | is going out with her BFF for dinner tonight |
| 23:37.28 | lh | getting soooooo much stuff done |
| 23:37.40 | lh | pours glass of scotch, neat, for antarus |
| 23:37.49 | z4chh | getting a lot done makes for a real good day :\ |
| 23:37.53 | antarus | has been up since 1am |
| 23:38.04 | lh | z4chh: it really does. :) |
| 23:38.08 | lh | antarus: that sounds not good. |
| 23:38.08 | antarus | 2 more hours of work, then seeing a new house, then rock climbing |
| 23:38.12 | antarus | assuming I don't pass out first ;) |
| 23:38.19 | antarus | did nap earlier |
| 23:38.30 | lh | antarus: good. lord. dude. |
| 23:38.33 | lh | coffee? |
| 23:38.46 | antarus | 3 cups |
| 23:38.51 | antarus | and 2 cokes |
| 23:39.35 | ajuonline | lh: what is a BFF? |
| 23:39.43 | ajuonline | has heard of what a bf is |
| 23:39.45 | antarus | ajuonline: best friend forever |
| 23:39.56 | summatusmentis | like, omg, my bff |
| 23:39.58 | ajuonline | ah ok:) |
| 23:40.07 | ajuonline | oh right i have one as well here. |
| 23:40.13 | ajuonline | points at summatusmentis |
| 23:40.15 | r0bby | er crap |
| 23:40.23 | ajuonline | ok r0bby you as well. |
| 23:40.39 | ajuonline | but please dont spam the lists this year. |
| 23:40.41 | ajuonline | :D |
| 23:41.06 | r0bby | Im gonna make the list for lh news |
| 23:41.27 | r0bby | lh can i get the blessing of the name google-soc-students-announce |
| 23:41.47 | ajuonline | "Over 2000+ students, Over 5000+ emails per year. But r0bby's spam each year... priceless." |
| 23:42.04 | thiagoss | no need for yet another list |
| 23:42.10 | thiagoss | muting and filters make it work |
| 23:42.25 | r0bby | ajuonline: i didnt spam! |
| 23:42.39 | ajuonline | :P |
| 23:42.48 | r0bby | we have the meetups list |
| 23:42.50 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: ^ what do you think about that? |
| 23:43.03 | r0bby | (which has a purpose: |
| 23:43.03 | kblin | be nice, kids |
| 23:43.09 | r0bby | there's a regional US one I set up |
| 23:43.15 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: of what? |
| 23:43.39 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: r0bby's noise :P |
| 23:43.43 | ajuonline | on the list |
| 23:43.50 | r0bby | HEh |
| 23:43.55 | r0bby | it's gonna be different this year |
| 23:43.58 | ajuonline | r0bby: i am just kidding you know that ;) |
| 23:44.41 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: oh, meh |
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| 23:46.56 | lh | r0bby: pm pease |
| 23:46.59 | lh | s/pease/please |
| 23:50.09 | jaguarandi | is having cookies (he shares with the community) |
| 23:50.21 | Catfish_Man | mmm |
| 23:50.22 | Catfish_Man | danke |
| 23:51.25 | lh | jaguarandi: you rock. thank you. |
| 23:51.42 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
| 23:51.59 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: i killed the cinderella story. btw. |
| 23:52.03 | MatthewWilkes | I'm going to have to be careful with the word "rock", it's been added to the frowny list in #repoze, one of my regular channels |
| 23:52.17 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: you killed her? |
| 23:52.23 | MatthewWilkes | Topic for #repoze is: Repoze is a set of technologies to bridge Zope and WSGI (http://repoze.org/). Log: http://irclog.turbogears.org/archive/freenode/repoze. Words frowned upon in here: "portlet", "viewlet", "pagelet" , "featurelet", "Archetypes", "can't", "rocks", "spacesuits", "fashion" |
| 23:52.26 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: bah no. the story. |
| 23:52.31 | jaguarandi | just saw a user doing a great work using my last SoC code :D |
| 23:52.40 | Catfish_Man | jaguarandi: doesn't that feel great? |
| 23:52.48 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: finally |
| 23:54.19 | jaguarandi | Catfish_Man, it does :D |
| 23:58.02 | thebolt | Morning |
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| 23:59.11 | ajuonline | ah so we can send in the tax form and proof of enrollment already? |
| 23:59.18 | getxsick | stored value cards == the same as last year? |
| 23:59.22 | ajuonline | good that we can email that as well :D |
| 23:59.25 | ajuonline | getxsick: yes. |
| 23:59.29 | r0bby | jaguarandi: what prokect |
| 23:59.31 | getxsick | ok |
