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| 01:26.19 | skiquel | sugree: thanks for your help |
| 01:26.32 | skiquel | are you mentoring this year? |
| 01:27.04 | sugree | skiquel: no official student for me this year |
| 01:27.11 | skiquel | ahh |
| 01:27.15 | sugree | noone in thailand... |
| 01:27.36 | skiquel | how was your jaunty update btw? |
| 01:27.36 | sugree | i tried to push and find students here in thailand locally but none |
| 01:27.43 | skiquel | ahhh |
| 01:27.55 | skiquel | where in thailand are you from? |
| 01:28.08 | sugree | skiquel: now it breaks my thinkpad hotkeys. lol. |
| 01:28.28 | sugree | skiquel: i'm in bangkok. the city of chaos. red and yellow. |
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| 01:30.25 | albiorix_ | hi, will accepted students be added to the mailing list automatically? I had some questions about the required tax forms and such |
| 01:32.09 | thiagoss | albiorix_, yes, and google team will send the instructions when the time comes |
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| 01:32.35 | albiorix_ | great, thanks thiagoss |
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| 01:39.24 | sugree | skiquel: just fixed my thinkpad_acpi. need mask 0xffffff :) |
| 01:39.42 | skiquel | ahh :) |
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| 02:03.15 | johndbritton | sugree: city of chaos, that's for sure |
| 02:03.40 | johndbritton | when i was there it was quite chaotic |
| 02:04.57 | sugree | johndbritton: when? it's not that bad like last week i'm so sure. |
| 02:05.11 | johndbritton | I was there in October |
| 02:05.15 | johndbritton | I think |
| 02:05.23 | johndbritton | checks passport stamp |
| 02:05.36 | sugree | johndbritton: oh, 2 dead on last oct. |
| 02:06.11 | johndbritton | yeah, it was middle of october |
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| 03:27.47 | bellpa | So, I got accepted, and am unsure what to do next. I feel like I should contact my mentor, but don't want to seem like a creepy stalker-type. ha ha! Is there an established ettiquette for this? |
| 03:28.04 | caden | hmm i just sent a message to my mentor. :) |
| 03:28.08 | sugree | bellpa: you should contact him |
| 03:28.17 | caden | or her |
| 03:28.19 | sugree | bellpa: be stalker! |
| 03:28.21 | caden | :) |
| 03:28.29 | thebolt | well, we want our students to introduce themselves a bit to the community, preferably by ashort mail to the mailinglist and/or on our IRC channel |
| 03:28.59 | caden | when you say mailing list do you mean a gsoc mailing list or the one for your project? |
| 03:29.29 | bellpa | okie! |
| 03:30.40 | thebolt | caden: project mailing list |
| 03:31.07 | caden | cool |
| 03:31.56 | thebolt | the previous years when i was a mentor i also sent a mail to my student introducing myself etc.. so i guess it can go either (or both) ways |
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| 03:43.49 | ojwb | can't see it being regarded as creepy - you're clearly going to need to communicate! |
| 03:44.05 | thebolt | agree |
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| 03:44.32 | ojwb | depending on the contents of the mail of course, but it isn't inherently creepy |
| 03:45.23 | bellpa | haha. asking about his wife Shirley, and son dave in the first e-mail may be creepy then? haha. |
| 03:45.28 | ojwb | kind of surprised you haven't talked during the application process, but I guess that's harder in larger orgs |
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| 03:45.50 | ojwb | bellpa: yeah, that's probably best avoided |
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| 03:46.09 | caden | how about telling him/her to stand in front of the window more often? |
| 03:46.21 | ojwb | my vote would be no |
| 03:46.46 | ojwb | wonders if there's a HOWTO for "not seeming creepy" |
| 03:47.10 | ojwb | I doubt the probably sizeable audience seem themselves needing it though |
| 03:47.18 | ojwb | see themselves |
| 03:48.42 | caden | one mans' creepy is another man's romantic |
| 03:48.59 | caden | or "friendly" |
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| 03:51.29 | jasebo | open source is all about communication. Never be backward in talking. |
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| 04:00.47 | ojwb | I tend to feel that both creepy and romantic are best avoided when making initial contact with your mentor |
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| 04:01.48 | thebolt | ojwb: guess it dpeends on the relation between the mentor and student.. if you know them from before or not ;) |
| 04:02.30 | ojwb | well, I said "initial" |
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| 04:03.20 | omniter | i feel weird around my mentor. but it's my own fault. i use emoticons all the time, so when somebody doesn't use emoticons at all, i can't tell their tone. |
| 04:03.30 | Mkop1 | lol |
| 04:03.38 | lifeeth | omniter, :D |
| 04:03.43 | omniter | :( |
| 04:04.28 | caden | ojwb: yeah, i didn't mean romantic in this context, more like "overly friendly" |
| 04:04.39 | freebsdgirl | emotions are kinda creepy >:| |
| 04:04.45 | freebsdgirl | emoticons rather |
| 04:04.48 | bellpa | romantiy makes it way funnier though |
| 04:04.53 | bellpa | *romantic |
| 04:05.02 | thebolt | freebsdgirl: in a serious mail, definitely |
| 04:05.15 | thebolt | or a serious irc conversation |
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| 04:05.25 | caden | also signing with nicknames such as "the flaming bytemeister", a bit creepy |
| 04:05.33 | omniter | LOL |
| 04:05.51 | omniter | what do you consider to be "overly friendly" or "romantic" |
| 04:06.06 | thebolt | don't use <3 emoticon too much? ;) |
| 04:06.10 | ojwb | freebsdgirl: I prefer the first version! |
| 04:06.11 | omniter | haha |
| 04:06.17 | freebsdgirl | hehehe. |
| 04:06.20 | caden | "hey buddy, you sound stressed, i'll take the first flight over there and give you a neck massage, arrright?" |
| 04:06.26 | thebolt | ojwb: :) |
| 04:06.35 | omniter | caden, certainly nobody's gonan do that :S |
| 04:06.51 | milki | i want a neck massage -.- |
| 04:06.53 | omniter | but i can imagine some students talking to their mentors as if they're to be worshipped |
| 04:07.08 | freebsdgirl | you shouldn't offer to invade your mentor's personal space. |
| 04:07.13 | freebsdgirl | bad form. |
| 04:07.51 | ojwb | and what seems acceptable varies between cultures too |
| 04:08.03 | milki | like irc culture |
| 04:08.09 | milki | very different from life |
| 04:08.25 | ojwb | unless irc is your life |
| 04:08.39 | summatusmentis | +1 for that |
| 04:08.43 | Mkop1 | ++ |
| 04:08.44 | summatusmentis | if only real life were like irc |
| 04:11.34 | freebsdgirl | it's not? |
| 04:11.34 | freebsdgirl | my office feels an awful lot like efnet sometimes. |
| 04:11.34 | r0bby | freebsdgirl: full of script kiddies? |
| 04:11.47 | r0bby | (that's efnet in a nutshell) |
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| 04:18.21 | gaurdro | I would've thought the bot would be named "gscobot" not durinbot. i usually don't check messages from anyone with bot in their name. |
| 04:18.45 | Catfish_Man | durin42 runs the bot in this case |
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| 04:20.40 | Ori_B | kicks himself. |
| 04:20.57 | Ori_B | too much time trying to find a '<' that should have been a '>'... |
| 04:22.14 | Landon | s/</>/ |
| 04:22.22 | Landon | now just find the >'s that should be <'s |
| 04:24.46 | thebolt | hehe |
| 04:25.47 | antarus | Ori_B: you need better tools ;p |
| 04:25.54 | caden | >_< |
| 04:27.31 | Ori_B | antarus: hm? how do better tools help? |
| 04:27.54 | Landon | hm |
| 04:28.09 | Landon | does anyone know if there are any guidelines for forking a project? |
| 04:28.21 | Landon | set of Best Practices, even |
| 04:28.49 | summatusmentis | what're you forking? |
| 04:28.54 | Landon | pisg |
| 04:31.12 | Ori_B | Landon: talk to the developer that you're forking from? |
| 04:31.19 | Ori_B | try to keep the old project's history? |
| 04:31.27 | Ori_B | discuss merging back in if it's successful? |
| 04:32.03 | Ori_B | bah. C's promotion rules also ended up biting me. |
| 04:32.12 | Ori_B | (x << y) & z |
| 04:32.25 | omniter | hey guys, what's the exact purpose of sourceforge? i mean my org asked me to create a sourceforge account, but i don't see what i can do on it that i can't do without it. |
| 04:32.41 | Ori_B | of course, x wasn't autopromoted to the same type as z, so the shift overflowed and gave wrong results. |
| 04:32.55 | omniter | all i have to do is write code and commit with SVN, right? what does sourceforge provide? |
| 04:32.58 | summatusmentis | Landon: why're you forking? |
| 04:33.04 | Landon | summatusmentis: it's perl |
| 04:33.06 | Landon | :P |
| 04:33.07 | Ori_B | omniter: an svn account. |
| 04:33.13 | summatusmentis | Landon: oh |
| 04:33.17 | Landon | <3 perl |
| 04:33.19 | Landon | heh |
| 04:33.22 | Ori_B | assuming the project is on sourceforge. |
| 04:33.28 | Landon | but it could be so much better |
| 04:33.35 | Landon | if it was split up into frontend and backend |
| 04:33.38 | omniter | Ori_B, oh so this means my org's code is actually hosted on sourceforge? |
| 04:33.50 | Landon | and I think django could do some amazing things with it |
| 04:33.51 | Ori_B | omniter: I don't know; I'd guess so? |
| 04:34.03 | omniter | but aside from that, what does it allow ME to do for the project? |
| 04:34.32 | dberkholz | if your org hosts on sourceforge, it means you can commit to their repository |
| 04:34.53 | caden | also they might have mailing lists set up there for that project |
| 04:35.17 | Landon | the projet has stagnated too |
| 04:35.17 | Landon | could use a kick in the pants |
| 04:35.18 | Ori_B | omniter: commit to svn. |
| 04:35.18 | omniter | Ori_B, but i do that with Tortoise |
| 04:35.42 | Ori_B | omniter: not without an svn account. |
| 04:36.05 | omniter | ohhhhhh |
| 04:36.07 | omniter | that makes sense now |
| 04:36.20 | omniter | so sourceforge is like a provider |
| 04:36.25 | Ori_B | uh, yes. |
| 04:36.32 | skbohra | sf provides an svn a/c where you can commit :) |
| 04:36.50 | omniter | ah okay... but without an account, i can still check out and stuff |
| 04:37.39 | Catfish_Man | if anonymous access is on, which it usually is |
| 04:37.43 | skbohra | anonymously yes, |
| 04:37.59 | Ori_B | cheers. |
| 04:38.12 | Ori_B | alright, it looks like the bug is fixed. |
| 04:38.23 | Ori_B | wishes C had slightly stronger typing. |
| 04:38.25 | omniter | oh okay thanks guys. that clears up a lot |
| 04:38.52 | omniter | my mentors are all asleep atm so i can't ask them. heh |
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| 04:41.38 | l0nwlf_ | !next |
| 04:41.38 | socinfo | "next" is Check to see if you're accepted by visiting organization home pages at http://tinyurl.com/orghome Accepted students will be added to the private student mailing list in the next few days and Google will ask for tax forms and proof of enrollment later. Meanwhile, start bonding with your community. |
| 04:42.42 | Landon | next should be Party like a rockstar during communiy bonding! |
| 04:42.42 | Landon | :P |
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| 04:47.05 | Landon | Ori_B: also licensing-wise it'd be nice to know what would be involved in a fork :\ I've never been too savvy on licensing |
| 04:47.42 | ojwb | any free software licence should allow a fork |
| 04:47.46 | Ori_B | Landon: you're not allowed to change the license |
| 04:47.56 | Ori_B | since you don't own the copyright. |
| 04:48.07 | omniter | is fork just another name for branch? |
| 04:48.24 | ojwb | no, a fork is maintained by another team |
| 04:48.28 | omniter | o |
| 04:48.29 | ojwb | or person |
| 04:48.29 | Ori_B | (you can get permission from the original author for changing the license, IIRC) |
| 04:48.45 | omniter | isn't that what a branch is? =\ |
| 04:48.53 | ojwb | you could licence your changes under a different but compatible licence |
| 04:48.59 | ojwb | a branch is within the same project |
| 04:49.03 | omniter | ah |
| 04:49.05 | omniter | okay |
| 04:49.11 | Landon | well, it's not so much changes as a complete rewrite |
| 04:49.14 | ojwb | and if the licence permits you to upgrade it, you can do that |
| 04:49.18 | Landon | but I don't want to reinvent the algorithmic wheel :) |
| 04:49.29 | ojwb | e.g. you could change from GPLv2+ to GPLv3+ |
| 04:51.33 | ojwb | well, copyright is in the expression, not the algorithms, but it's probably simpler to use the same licence if you don't have strong feelings as then you can copy docs and comments over |
| 04:52.12 | Landon | hm, never thought about it that way |
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| 04:52.46 | Landon | if I used their code as a base to write it in another language, would I be able to use my own license? |
| 04:53.10 | Ori_B | Landon: that's for lawyers to decide |
| 04:53.14 | Landon | heh :P |
| 04:53.20 | Ori_B | is it a "derivative work" or not? |
| 04:54.07 | ojwb | just making the essentially mechanical changes to translate from one language to another would make it a derivative work I'd think |
| 04:55.08 | Ori_B | probably. |
| 04:55.20 | Ori_B | this is why clean-room engineering exists. |
| 04:55.53 | Dark_Shikari | you don't need to do cleanroom really |
| 04:56.01 | Dark_Shikari | just read the code, understand it, close the window, rewrite it |
| 04:56.01 | Ori_B | you don't need to, yes. |
| 04:56.07 | Ori_B | but people do it to be safe. |
| 04:56.20 | Dark_Shikari | is very not-clean-room REing some proprietary software atm |
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| 04:57.19 | Landon | actually, that sounds like a good idea, since what I really wanted to know was basic structure of their log parser |
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| 04:57.38 | Landon | I don't need their exact implementation, just an entry point |
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| 05:09.31 | ibot | rtnpro <n=rtnpro@117.201.96.158> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 72d 33m 8s ago, saying: 'fde, thanks'. |
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| 05:09.45 | ibot | r0bby_ <n=wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby> was last seen on IRC in channel #gsoc, 33d 4h 32m 9s ago, saying: 'nixbox: no law prevents you from doing so. Summer of COde is a full time gig'. |
| 05:10.00 | r0bby | hrm... |
| 05:10.46 | atulagrwl | it's not working, i suppose :) |
| 05:13.11 | atulagrwl | ~seen atulagrwl |
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| 05:14.18 | atulagrwl | ~seen atulagrwl_ |
| 05:14.19 | ibot | atulagrwl_ <n=atul@l006020.zseriespenguins.ihost.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gsoc, 6d 12h 16m 17s ago, saying: 'JefferyM, which org?'. |
| 05:15.00 | atulagrwl | working.. hmm.. |
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| 05:19.36 | ibot | ibot is currently on #gsoc (13d 1h 30m 47s) #bzflag (13d 1h 30m 47s) #iteam (13d 1h 30m 47s) ##bspress (13d 1h 30m 47s) #brlcad (13d 1h 30m 47s) #handhelds (13d 1h 30m 47s) #utah (13d 1h 30m 47s) #oe (13d 1h 30m 47s) #zaurus (13d 1h 30m 47s) #gllug (13d 1h 30m 47s) #pillbox (13d 1h 30m 47s) #handhelds-gpe (13d 1h 30m 47s) #uphpu (13d 1h 30m 47s) ... |
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| 05:21.16 | Landon | its cool to abuse ibot, just not socinfo |
| 05:21.17 | Landon | :) |
| 05:21.20 | Landon | ~seen Landon_ |
| 05:21.21 | ibot | Landon: i haven't seen 'landon_' |
| 05:21.26 | Landon | :( |
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| 05:34.29 | skbohra | list of accepted students by university, available anywhere? |
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| 05:35.03 | Landon | I don't think they compile those stats until the end of the program |
| 05:36.04 | skbohra | ohh |
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| 05:42.12 | ojwb | can I suggest that if people really want to ask ibot when it last saw themselves that they PM it? |
| 05:44.12 | l0nwlf_ | !next |
| 05:44.12 | socinfo | "next" is Check to see if you're accepted by visiting organization home pages at http://tinyurl.com/orghome Accepted students will be added to the private student mailing list in the next few days and Google will ask for tax forms and proof of enrollment later. Meanwhile, start bonding with your community. |
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| 05:57.06 | the9a3eedi | just for reference for next time, I'm really new to taxes (I come from a country where taxes are virtually nonexistant). Where can I find more information about the tax forms |
| 05:57.13 | the9a3eedi | yes, I haven't got accepted. I'm just curious though |
| 05:59.00 | atulagrwl | how to hide my isp from other users.. I saw several users with unaffiliated or with org. name.. i am just curious |
| 05:59.14 | hypa7ia | atulagrwl: you need to get a hostmask |
| 05:59.28 | Catfish_Man | iirc on freenode that requires being registered for at least 2 weeks |
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| 05:59.38 | hypa7ia | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks |
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| 06:01.54 | atulagrwl | hypa7ia, Catfish_Man thanks.. looking on it |
| 06:02.14 | hypa7ia | :) |
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| 06:06.46 | atulagrwl | hypa7ia, how to contact network staffer? |
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| 06:06.58 | ojwb | see the faq |
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| 08:08.27 | faceface | gsoc? |
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| 08:09.16 | faceface | right |
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| 10:34.35 | sameer | !next |
| 10:34.35 | socinfo | "next" is Check to see if you're accepted by visiting organization home pages at http://tinyurl.com/orghome Accepted students will be added to the private student mailing list in the next few days and Google will ask for tax forms and proof of enrollment later. Meanwhile, start bonding with your community. |
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| 10:46.19 | faceface | so I have what I think is a great project, but no time to work on it. Is GSOC for me, or should I be dedicated to 'metoring' the project? |
| 10:46.53 | faceface | i.e. I just want to put the idea 'out there' in some format that would (could) attract people to make progress in this area. |
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| 10:47.05 | faceface | I already asked in #philosoc, but the chan is low traffic |
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| 10:51.22 | ojwb | well, you've missed this year, but generally it needs someone willing to mentor it |
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| 10:56.25 | lcuk | faceface, ideas occur all the time, if you dont have much time to follow up with it, why would you expect someone else to? present them properly and put yourself behind them and people may take notice |
| 10:57.17 | lcuk | (but not to this years gsoc lol, you have almost 12 months to plan for the next one :p) |
| 11:07.29 | devilsadvocate | wonders if there is a planet soc user guide |
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| 13:03.37 | faceface | lcuk: right |
| 13:03.51 | faceface | which is why I wanted to start working on geting it presented |
| 13:04.12 | faceface | lcuk: sometimes an idea can be so good that people think its worth while, or at least interesting to work on. |
| 13:04.36 | faceface | now I'm not saying that my idea will be so amazing that hords of people want to immediately start work ... |
| 13:04.53 | ojwb | if it was that amazing, you'd find the time yourself |
| 13:05.07 | faceface | but my personal feeling is that its better to put ideas 'out there' than keep them locked up just because I personally am not able to leap on it at the moment. |
| 13:05.21 | faceface | ojwb: really? and get fired? |
| 13:05.28 | faceface | and drop all the other stuff that fills my spare time? |
| 13:05.31 | ojwb | if it's that good, yes... |
| 13:05.31 | faceface | and get a divorce? |
| 13:05.35 | faceface | I guess so your right |
| 13:05.43 | ojwb | perhaps not the divorce bit |
| 13:05.47 | faceface | however, I don't think its that good, I agree |
| 13:06.07 | ojwb | realistically, for gsoc it needs to fit with an existing open source project which wants to apply |
| 13:06.31 | faceface | ojwb: (my friend says a married scientest is like an adulterer(sp?) - he's cheating on his partner or science, one or the other ;-) |
| 13:06.32 | ojwb | the "google org" needs a mentor already sorted out |
| 13:06.49 | ojwb | and there are one 2 - 4 google org projects each year |
| 13:06.56 | ojwb | s/one/only |
| 13:07.23 | faceface | what I was thinking is that my idea is 'good enough' for someone to potentially find it interesting. |
| 13:07.46 | faceface | its working wiht an open source product called surface evolver |
| 13:08.07 | ojwb | they would need to apply to take part then, or fit under an existing umbrella org |
| 13:08.25 | faceface | I want to set up a 3d simulation of embyryogenisis to form a framework for integrating current theories in developmental biology |
| 13:08.50 | faceface | ojwb: so there is no opportunity for 'interested individuals' to post up ideas? |
| 13:09.25 | ojwb | not without an organisation attached |
| 13:09.45 | ojwb | would suggest reading the FAQ to see how the process works |
| 13:10.19 | ojwb | the focus is perhaps as much to get students involved in open source as to get projects implemented |
| 13:10.52 | faceface | right |
| 13:11.14 | ojwb | though organisations have their own balance of motivations |
| 13:11.15 | faceface | yeah, I always saw irc as a way of *not* reading the faq ;-) but your right |
| 13:11.34 | faceface | so how about if I call myself an organization ;-D |
| 13:11.37 | ojwb | no, irc is a way to get told to read the faq |
| 13:11.42 | faceface | oic |
| 13:11.46 | faceface | lol |
| 13:11.47 | ojwb | sure, but you need to get accepted |
| 13:11.51 | ojwb | and provide mentors |
| 13:11.54 | faceface | right |
| 13:11.58 | faceface | tyty |
| 13:12.14 | ojwb | I think there are some biosoftware umbrella orgs |
| 13:12.19 | faceface | tbh I'm looking for a wiki just to stick up teh idea |
| 13:12.23 | faceface | sure |
| 13:12.44 | faceface | I can find somewhere - I just thought I'd come in here and see what the feeling was |
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| 13:21.50 | mib_kql5h0 | hey |
| 13:22.08 | mib_kql5h0 | any Germans here, who successfully participated last year? |
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| 13:29.43 | lut4rp | so which organization got the maximum slots? |
| 13:29.53 | ajuonline | kde of course? |
| 13:30.02 | lut4rp | dunno. |
| 13:30.04 | ajuonline | 42 ithink? |
| 13:30.11 | lut4rp | wow, that's a lot |
| 13:30.18 | ojwb | easy to find out - just check through the list |
| 13:30.36 | lut4rp | KDE got 38 |
| 13:31.44 | ojwb | I think they might have had 42 at one point, but in the first allocation some orgs still were requesting 0 |
| 13:32.25 | Mek | ASF also got 38 I think |
| 13:32.25 | ojwb | someone commented on 42 slots recently anyway |
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| 13:34.38 | Ivanovic | probably the universe did not allow this number of slots |
| 13:34.46 | Ivanovic | would have led to some collapse... |
| 13:34.47 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 13:35.01 | Exploran | haha |
| 13:35.04 | Exploran | nice one |
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| 13:36.28 | Exploran | btw was that a reference to a hitchhikers guide to the galaxy? |
| 13:36.36 | Ivanovic | no |
| 13:36.38 | Ivanovic | ^^ |
| 13:36.41 | Exploran | with 42 being the meaning of life |
| 13:36.41 | Exploran | lol |
| 13:36.45 | Exploran | aight |
| 13:36.51 | lifeeth | L0L |
| 13:36.53 | Exploran | thought it was a pun on that one |
| 13:37.57 | Ivanovic | no geek would use something link this when he comes across the number 42 |
| 13:38.18 | Ivanovic | s/link/like |
| 13:38.23 | Exploran | well |
| 13:38.31 | Exploran | it would be funny i think |
| 13:38.34 | Exploran | :P |
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| 14:37.00 | meonkeys | !change |
| 14:37.00 | socinfo | Error: access denied (factoids.change). |
| 14:37.06 | meonkeys | :) |
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| 14:38.12 | [_FireSoul_] | Happy Earth day :) preserve the environment :D |
| 14:38.15 | meonkeys | are there any restrictions on tweaking the tasks that the students will be working on? I'm wondering how closely their proposals must dictate what code they actually write for us. |
| 14:38.27 | meonkeys | (us being the Mifos project) |
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| 14:40.26 | ojwb | tweaking isn't a problem - I suspect very few projects can be implemented exactly as planned |
| 14:41.00 | ojwb | and ultimately the org decides if the student has done what is required |
| 14:41.23 | ojwb | but what they're doing needs to fit within the rules still |
| 14:41.52 | meonkeys | "fit within the rules"... could you say more about that? |
| 14:42.05 | ojwb | well, it needs to be coding work, etc |
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| 14:42.30 | ojwb | and all that stuff you and they agreed to when you signed up |
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| 14:44.10 | meonkeys | ah, yes, I should review the terms. |
| 14:44.36 | ojwb | what sort of thing are you wanting to change? |
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| 14:45.46 | meonkeys | we asked our students to lay out plans for their coding projects, including what tasks would be done during each two-week period. |
| 14:45.46 | thebolt | Hi |
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| 14:46.40 | ojwb | meonkeys: that's the tweaking? |
| 14:46.44 | ojwb | that's certainly fine |
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| 14:46.57 | meonkeys | ojwb: The overall project is the same (improve Mifos unit tests), but we (the full-time Mifos engineers) feel like changes to these specific tasks will help Mifos and our students be successful this summer. |
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| 14:47.57 | meonkeys | ojwb: cool, ok. Like, instead of starting a large refactoring on one section of code, we're recommending a more iterative approach that would involve a few patch submissions per two-week period. |
| 14:48.22 | meonkeys | so, it's different than the student proposed, but, again, we feel a path more likely for success. |
| 14:48.49 | ojwb | it's really good if there's something expected each week or so - that way it's easy to spot when things are drifting off course |
| 14:48.59 | meonkeys | absolutely. |
| 14:49.51 | meonkeys | I didn't see anything explicit in the FAQs about asking them to work on different tasks than was in the proposal, which is why I asked here. I'm still re-reading the Admin and Mentor participant agreement. |
| 14:50.20 | meonkeys | ojwb: and not that I don't believe you--you certainly sound credible--but who are you and why should I trust you? :) |
| 14:50.30 | ojwb | shrugs |
| 14:51.10 | ojwb | perhaps I should GPG-sign my IRC chat |
| 14:53.00 | thebolt | meonkeys: why should we trust your question? ;) |
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| 14:53.15 | thebolt | you might be faking the question.. |
| 14:54.24 | ojwb | meonkeys: no need to PM - my name is hardly secret |
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| 14:55.14 | thebolt | given its displayed in whois so ;) |
| 14:55.18 | ojwb | indeed |
| 14:55.34 | thebolt | (so is mine btw.. and only one of me worldwide..) |
| 14:55.38 | ojwb | if you want something official, you'll have to wait for leslie to be around |
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| 14:55.49 | meonkeys | sorry, didn't mean to imply that I didn't trust you, I've seen you on here before, Olly. |
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| 14:56.20 | anothy_x | meonkeys: for what it's worth, in our evaluation of proposals we often asked students to refine/revise their proposed schedule. |
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| 14:56.39 | ojwb | i just meant it's hard to prove that you should trust me |
| 14:56.51 | anothy_x | i'm in no position of authority. you probably shouldn't trust me. ;-) |
| 14:57.15 | meonkeys | ojwb: ah, I see. Indeed. |
| 14:57.19 | meonkeys | anothy_x: thank you. |
| 14:58.16 | meonkeys | I decided to try here in IRC before sending to the mentors list (since it seems folks are very wary of too many emails on that list, and it reaches many inboxes), then I just realized that I know few folks in here, so how do I know that I'm getting an accurate answer? |
| 14:58.48 | meonkeys | but again, what y'all are saying makes perfect sense. |
| 14:59.02 | ojwb | how do you know if you are from the list? |
| 14:59.12 | meonkeys | huh? |
| 14:59.20 | meonkeys | oh |
| 14:59.22 | ojwb | well, it's only people sending mail |
| 14:59.30 | meonkeys | well, good point... |
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| 14:59.54 | meonkeys | I dunno, I guess it's more of a gut feeling? It's a little more straightforward to identify folks, at least by name and email address... |
| 14:59.58 | ojwb | is astonished how a mailing list full of people who presumably are heavy mailing users can be so dysfunctional though |
| 15:01.05 | meonkeys | I don't always trust what nickserv and whois tell me, but if I see the same names on mailing lists, or the same nicks in IRC, I suppose my trust for those folks I presume control said identifiers grows over time. |
| 15:01.21 | meonkeys | (same names/nicks over time, I mean) |
| 15:01.49 | meonkeys | anyhoo... I guess this is a funny way for me to say thanks for the advice, but thanks for the advice! :) |
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| 15:03.00 | anothy_x | ojwb: they might not be used to mailing lists quite so large. i'm pretty sure the gsoc stuff is the largest i'm on (certainly the most active). |
| 15:03.07 | meonkeys | There doesn't appear to be any rules posted about the exact tasks the students will work on during the summer. |
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| 15:03.31 | meonkeys | Unless I'm just not finding them. I've only been looking for a half hour or so. |
| 15:03.35 | araujo | morning |
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| 15:06.41 | ojwb | meonkeys: there aren't many - the one which comes to mind is that it has to be coding |
| 15:07.18 | ojwb | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#doc_proposals |
| 15:07.33 | meonkeys | right, thank you |
| 15:08.11 | meonkeys | the mentor and participant agreement doesn't mention anything about restrictions of this nature, btw. |
| 15:08.14 | ojwb | obviously documentation associated with the code being written is fine |
| 15:08.16 | ojwb | and desirable |
| 15:08.24 | meonkeys | yes. |
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| 15:11.03 | meonkeys | one goal we have is to get students committing directly to our SCM on branches, rather than submitting patches. Makes me wish we used something like git. :) |
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| 15:11.57 | thebolt | meonkeys: that has never been any problem for us (using svn) |
| 15:12.21 | ojwb | yeah, we just give them an svn branch |
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| 15:12.59 | ojwb | (each) |
| 15:13.14 | ojwb | has the impression most projects do |
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| 15:13.37 | meonkeys | cool, makes sense. |
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| 15:14.24 | sid0 | thinks people take google's involvement in gsoc way too seriously :) |
| 15:14.57 | ojwb | ? |
| 15:14.57 | thebolt | sid0: hm? |
| 15:15.02 | meonkeys | I think I will post a short summary of our conversation to the mentors mailing list for "official" approval. |
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| 15:15.38 | sid0 | ojwb: thebolt: about how projects need to stick exactly to the abstracts and so on :) |
| 15:15.40 | danderson | what's the issue? |
| 15:16.10 | straydawg | meonkeys: google has a highly awesome system/project for making that process painlesser, developed for android.. |
| 15:16.12 | sid0 | I meant it in a light-hearted way, but ultimately the org seems to have far more control than google |
| 15:16.25 | danderson | meonkeys: as long as the student authors the bulk of the code for his project, and the org is fine with the changes, why should google mind? |
| 15:16.28 | straydawg | meonkeys: trying to remember its name :) |
| 15:16.37 | thebolt | sid0: yea, true |
| 15:16.39 | thebolt | hi webchick |
| 15:16.40 | danderson | you chose the project, you're mentoring the student, and you're the ones who get the code at the end |
| 15:16.44 | thebolt | what's up? |
| 15:16.49 | webchick | Hey! :D |
| 15:16.52 | webchick | Not much, how are you guys? |
| 15:17.18 | sid0 | hm, my build finally finished |
| 15:17.18 | thebolt | i'm in the airport.. 8 hours to check-in.. |
| 15:17.24 | Ivanovic | since google does not select the students but the orgs do, the orgs (the respective mentor to be more precise) have to be fine with any changes in plans |
| 15:17.25 | meonkeys | danderson: cool, makes sense, thank you. I just couldn't find it spelled out explicitly, and wanted to make sure I'm playing by the rules. |
| 15:17.28 | danderson | meonkeys: while I'm not Leslie, I speak with reasonable authority on this question: we trust that orgs will do what is best for student and org, so all is well if you want to tweak |
| 15:17.28 | aghisla | having temperature |
| 15:17.31 | sid0 | you web guys don't have to worry about builds, do you :P |
| 15:17.35 | straydawg | meonkeys: gerrit |
| 15:17.39 | lifeeth | sid0, :P |
| 15:17.40 | ojwb | sid0: yes, google essentially trusts the orgs to do the right thing |
| 15:17.46 | lifeeth | sid0, unit tests yes |
| 15:17.49 | danderson | meonkeys: if you want extra insurance: what kind of changes are you thinking of? |
| 15:18.05 | lifeeth | aghisla, no chocolates today? |
| 15:18.09 | meonkeys | danderson: cool. Well, I guess I don't need to spam the mentors list then, unless folks want a FAQ-like summary of this conversation |
| 15:18.11 | danderson | webchick: \o/ |
| 15:18.22 | webchick | danderson, /o/ |
| 15:18.28 | meonkeys | danderson: do you have it in your scrollback buffer? I can re-post my message to ojwb if not |
| 15:18.32 | webchick | (I haven't had my v8 yet today) |
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| 15:18.42 | danderson | meonkeys: if you have time to post a summary, I think it would be nice |
| 15:19.17 | meonkeys | danderson: of course! no problem. I'll mention the changes we want to make, too. |
| 15:19.18 | thebolt | webchick: long weekend in japan ;) |
| 15:19.21 | aghisla | lifeeth: obvoiusly yes :) |
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| 15:21.45 | danderson | meonkeys: just scrolled back (the conversation is spread over a long period in my buffer) |
| 15:21.59 | danderson | meonkeys: the change you're proposing is on implementation details of the proposal |
| 15:22.05 | meonkeys | yes. |
| 15:22.08 | danderson | I can safely say that google doesn't care in the slightest about that :-) |
| 15:22.19 | danderson | do what is best for the student, you, and the resulting code |
| 15:22.53 | meonkeys | right on. |
| 15:22.56 | danderson | if you change the actual project objective, it deserves a mention in the reports that the student/mentor have to write at mid-term |
| 15:23.05 | l0nwlf | !timeline |
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| 15:23.15 | danderson | but how to get to the objective is of no interest to us :-) |
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| 15:23.50 | meonkeys | ok! thanks, David. |
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| 15:32.44 | chx | lh: thanks for drawing attention to the t-shirt. we might need one :) or , two. |
| 15:33.25 | ajuonline | what ? where? |
| 15:33.34 | ajuonline | chx: i can haz tees as well? :D |
| 15:33.56 | chx | ajuonline: i am talking of t-shirts for the students who did not end up in SoC but finish their projects nonetheless. |
| 15:34.03 | chx | ajuonline: we likely will have one |
| 15:34.22 | ajuonline | oh yeah. swag is for all students who do their projects. |
| 15:34.23 | ajuonline | :P |
| 15:34.28 | ajuonline | that is what she told last year, |
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| 15:44.35 | anothy_x | hey, neat; i hadn't known about the t-shirt offer. |
| 15:45.06 | anothy_x | we made a similar offer to all our non-accepted students; we'll get you one of ours to replace the GSoC one. |
| 15:45.26 | anothy_x | one student responded that if he knew he could get one of *our* t-shirts, he would have removed his application earlier! ;-) |
| 15:46.01 | DannyB | lol |
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| 15:52.59 | meonkeys | nevermind. |
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| 16:47.03 | meonkeys | danderson: one question I forgot to ask earlier, is it critical that the student proposal be kept up to date as implementation details change? |
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| 16:55.28 | danderson | meonkeys: I don't think so. It'd be nice to have consistency at "checkpoints", eg. midterm and end of program |
| 16:55.36 | danderson | but no need to be too stressed out |
| 16:58.07 | meonkeys | cool. |
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| 18:32.18 | socinfo | "next" is Check to see if you're accepted by visiting organization home pages at http://tinyurl.com/orghome Accepted students will be added to the private student mailing list in the next few days and Google will ask for tax forms and proof of enrollment later. Meanwhile, start bonding with your community. |
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| 19:08.09 | student0x77 | hello arianepaola |
| 19:08.11 | student0x77 | !! |
| 19:08.11 | socinfo | Error: "!" is not a valid command. |
| 19:08.40 | student0x77 | whois arianepaola_ |
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| 19:22.10 | thebolt | "morning" ;) |
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| 20:23.11 | skiquel | fixed the blog sorting http://planet-soc.com/blogs |
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| 20:32.34 | pilpi | skiquel, for some reason I never got an e-mail confirmation after trying to login to planet-soc.com (with openid www.pilpi.net). any ideas? |
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| 20:33.10 | skiquel | well, this is because of the admin validation process we go through |
| 20:33.37 | skiquel | drupal can send email after registration, but not after validation |
| 20:33.44 | skiquel | can you login now |
| 20:34.02 | pilpi | skiquel, but it said it has sent that e-mail and is waiting for that |
| 20:34.12 | pilpi | when I tried earlier |
| 20:34.14 | skiquel | oh |
| 20:34.20 | pilpi | trying to login again |
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| 20:35.13 | pilpi | skiquel, "You must validate your email address for this account before logging in via OpenID" |
| 20:35.20 | pilpi | how do I do that? |
| 20:35.31 | skiquel | hm |
| 20:36.23 | skiquel | try logging in again |
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| 20:36.47 | pilpi | oh, now it works |
| 20:36.53 | pilpi | what'd you do? :) |
| 20:37.03 | skiquel | hehe |
| 20:37.21 | skiquel | i used my moodle |
| 20:37.40 | pilpi | ?? :D |
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| 20:43.53 | pygi | hi |
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| 21:33.50 | pygi | KillerX, poke |
| 21:33.57 | KillerX | pygi: hey |
| 21:34.08 | pygi | KillerX, have you seen fedora is reimplementing beacon? :D |
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| 21:34.22 | KillerX | yep, not re-implementing though, adding to ;) |
| 21:34.37 | KillerX | 'tis a third time SoC for beacon :) |
| 21:35.00 | KillerX | bbl |
| 21:35.02 | summatusmentis | what is beacon? |
| 21:35.27 | danderson | beacon? |
| 21:35.52 | pygi | danderson, summatusmentis : a XML WYSIWYG editor :) |
| 21:36.03 | summatusmentis | oh, hrm |
| 21:36.04 | danderson | eew. |
| 21:36.08 | danderson | I'll pass :P |
| 21:36.18 | pygi | implemented by KillerX back in 2006 |
| 21:36.27 | pygi | two students worked on it afterwards |
| 21:36.31 | pygi | this is third, obviously |
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| 21:38.02 | Xiul | Hi, I just want to know how you're spending your Community Bonding Period :) |
| 21:38.40 | summatusmentis | Xiul: doing school stuff |
| 21:38.50 | summatusmentis | and discussing aix in #openafs |
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| 23:23.50 | student0x77 | l |
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| 23:26.44 | Mkop1 | student63: yes? |
| 23:27.07 | Mkop1 | (I don't use octal) |
| 23:27.36 | CoolAcid | 0x signifies Hex - not Octal ;) |
| 23:27.45 | sanooj | please hand in your geek card |
| 23:28.07 | CoolAcid | 119 :) |
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| 23:28.27 | Corsix | you dare defile hex by converting it to decimal? |
| 23:28.49 | CoolAcid | 1110111 |
| 23:29.00 | Catfish_Man | puts a hex on Corsix |
| 23:29.09 | Corsix | no, you can convert it to ASCII, or x86 opcodes, or something |
| 23:29.12 | Corsix | but not another number base |
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| 23:30.37 | CoolAcid | I do believe I just did.. sigh.. |
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