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| 00:45.45 | mib_1xpfr4 | What is the topic about? |
| 00:45.55 | mib_1xpfr4 | "allocations final, duplicates resolved" |
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| 00:49.35 | mib_1xpfr4 | !next |
| 00:49.35 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 00:56.20 | straydawg | lo |
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| 00:57.11 | mateolan | hello knowledgable gsocoders |
| 00:57.27 | mateolan | i have a Q about my prop: how come I can't edit it? |
| 00:57.41 | mateolan | and when will I be able to |
| 00:57.43 | mateolan | ? |
| 00:58.40 | nullpuppy | you can't because the submittion deadline is passed. afaik |
| 00:58.45 | ojwb | indeed |
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| 00:59.08 | ojwb | there was supposed to be a feature for mentors to allow an edit, but it doesn't seem to have appeared yet |
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| 00:59.22 | mib_1xpfr4 | what's "allocations final, duplicates resolved" about? |
| 00:59.24 | ojwb | guesses the melange guys found a problem with it |
| 00:59.26 | mateolan | when I was on this channel before peeps told us to submit on time and edit later |
| 00:59.50 | ojwb | mib_1xpfr4: the slot allocations are finalised; students which were accepted by more than one org have been sorted out |
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| 01:00.12 | ojwb | mateolan: well, they were wrong... |
| 01:00.23 | ojwb | but you can save a copy elsewhere and edit it |
| 01:00.50 | mateolan | ojwb: buuut, then how would I upload the edits? |
| 01:01.04 | ojwb | to your website, or as a "document" in the webapp |
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| 01:01.38 | ojwb | if edits were allowed without restriction, we'd get students submitting an empty application before the deadline and then working on it later |
| 01:01.59 | ojwb | which makes a nonsense of having a deadline, and makes it hard to progress to the next stage |
| 01:02.03 | thebolt|away | mateolan: it doesn't really make sense to edit now though, given that the allocations have been done.. |
| 01:02.14 | ojwb | not sure I agree |
| 01:02.22 | mateolan | thebolt: oooh...doo tell |
| 01:02.36 | ojwb | you can work on the timeline etc, on the assumption that you're going to get a place |
| 01:02.42 | ojwb | or maybe want to work on the project anyway |
| 01:02.53 | ojwb | mateolan: we aren't allowed to tell until 20th |
| 01:03.17 | ojwb | things may still change, but are close to the final "answer" |
| 01:03.55 | mateolan | are "awards" announced with comments or just y/n |
| 01:03.57 | mateolan | ? |
| 01:04.08 | ojwb | google publish a list |
| 01:04.25 | ojwb | if you want to know more, you can ask your org I guess |
| 01:04.35 | ojwb | they may not answer |
| 01:04.38 | nullpuppy | ojwb: do you know if the 'winners' are emailed as well? |
| 01:04.53 | ojwb | there's often not a simple reason why someone is or isn't chosen |
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| 01:05.23 | ojwb | and for orgs with lots of applications, answering everyone would take a lot of time |
| 01:05.35 | ojwb | nullpuppy: I think so, but I'm not certain |
| 01:05.39 | nullpuppy | ok |
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| 01:06.08 | jasebo | my org will email all our applicants, succesful or not, after the announcements are made |
| 01:06.23 | codestasher | ojwb allocations are final now, then what is delaying the announcement?? |
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| 01:06.34 | jasebo | when google make the announcements |
| 01:06.34 | ojwb | codestasher: they're not final |
| 01:06.40 | ojwb | well, the slot allocations are |
| 01:06.44 | codestasher | the wopc says so |
| 01:06.46 | ojwb | but which students are in those isn't |
| 01:06.52 | codestasher | *topic |
| 01:06.57 | codestasher | ohk |
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| 01:07.18 | mateolan | out of curiosity, why was melange chosen as the form submission webapp of choice? It seems like there is more mature OS software out there |
| 01:07.31 | nullpuppy | and regardless.. the timeline says the 20th. its best if they keep that schedule, regardless |
| 01:07.35 | ojwb | i'd be amazed if more than a handful of changes happen, but if we start to tell students, some may be disappointed |
| 01:07.45 | ojwb | I think in fact we're ahead of the game this year |
| 01:07.54 | jasebo | and the other thing.. is that this is Google's show |
| 01:07.55 | ojwb | the IRC meeting was almost a non-event |
| 01:07.56 | hypa7ia | mateolan: it was written specifically for gsoc |
| 01:07.59 | disismt | mateolan, google wanted to showcase the Google Apps Engine |
| 01:08.03 | ojwb | as only a handful weren't already dealt with |
| 01:08.21 | ojwb | melange is being written for the job (and for ghop) |
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| 01:08.29 | codestasher | morning hypa7ia |
| 01:08.41 | hypa7ia | hey codestasher :) |
| 01:08.42 | ojwb | there's more mature software, but not for running GSoC... |
| 01:09.05 | codestasher | you are done with your paper? |
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| 01:10.27 | z4chh | this student waiting is agony |
| 01:10.41 | z4chh | i can't sleep :( |
| 01:10.45 | nullpuppy | z4chh: *shrugs* i have enough other stuff to worry about right now. |
| 01:11.06 | nullpuppy | i really want to know if i was accepted or not, but at this point, not much I can do, so might as well wait. |
| 01:11.10 | thebolt|away | agrees |
| 01:11.16 | codestasher | that is the condition with every student i guess @ z4chh |
| 01:11.25 | z4chh | i can't sleep, eat, and i can barely drink :\ |
| 01:11.46 | mateolan | z4chh: dude, you need to branch out a little |
| 01:11.47 | jasebo | you need to do those things z4chh.. otherwise you may not be conscious when the announcements are finally made |
| 01:11.48 | jasebo | :-D |
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| 01:12.06 | codestasher | nice jaseco :) |
| 01:12.11 | nullpuppy | jasebo: haha ;) |
| 01:12.20 | z4chh | jasebo, seriously :\ ...ive lost 20 lbs |
| 01:12.30 | jasebo | yikes |
| 01:12.39 | disismt | z4chh, same here |
| 01:12.41 | codestasher | how much you before losing |
| 01:12.44 | jasebo | that's it. Next year _I'm_ applying to be a student |
| 01:12.51 | jasebo | just for the weight loss potential |
| 01:12.54 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 01:12.57 | disismt | haha |
| 01:12.59 | thebolt|away | hehe |
| 01:13.02 | ojwb | well, it depends where you start from... |
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| 01:13.19 | mateolan | arr |
| 01:13.59 | z4chh | im kidding of course guys...but really, this is quite the wait :) |
| 01:14.25 | mateolan | z4chh: don't plan on going into academia and NSF or NH funding then |
| 01:14.27 | codestasher | this is the trend , so we need to follow |
| 01:15.00 | z4chh | mateolan, i don't even know what that stuff is |
| 01:15.37 | mateolan | z4chh: NSF, NIH, DOE--the big academic $$ |
| 01:15.47 | mateolan | funding agencies |
| 01:15.56 | dberkholz | (in the US) |
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| 01:16.00 | mateolan | yy |
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| 01:16.32 | codestasher | mateolan:are they same as gsoc ? |
| 01:16.38 | mateolan | deberkholz: I stand corrected, thank you ;) although sometimes they invest overseas too |
| 01:17.25 | nsquare | codestasher: lol, not really. They fund the research going on in US universities |
| 01:17.42 | mateolan | nsquare: tx |
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| 01:18.34 | nsquare | codestasher: many PhD students here are funded by profs using the funds he gets from such agencies. |
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| 01:19.23 | mateolan | brave PhD students attempt to write those grants themselves---ouch, I thnk I just stepped on my own doodle |
| 01:20.36 | nsquare | :P |
| 01:21.00 | mateolan | codestasher: in my case, I am hoping the my SoC project (if funded) will be a springboard for justifying my methods in one of those grants |
| 01:21.32 | nsquare | mateolan: which university? |
| 01:21.59 | mateolan | University California Davis, y tu? |
| 01:22.00 | codestasher | mateolan:all the best :) |
| 01:22.09 | mateolan | codestasher: thanks man |
| 01:22.19 | nsquare | mateolan: awesome. I am from gatech |
| 01:22.23 | z4chh | throws up again |
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| 01:22.57 | mateolan | z4chh: eat some yogurt man, it'll help make you more regular down there |
| 01:23.22 | z4chh | :D |
| 01:23.32 | nsquare | mateolan: which area you are working in? |
| 01:23.33 | z4chh | i can't eat remember |
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| 01:24.19 | mateolan | well, it's liquid, you can just have someone pour it in your mouth while you leaning back |
| 01:24.33 | z4chh | rofl |
| 01:24.36 | codestasher | lol |
| 01:25.11 | codestasher | mateolan:tell him some easy positions too |
| 01:25.13 | codestasher | :P |
| 01:25.48 | mateolan | z4chh: youi need to give yourself something else to worry about man |
| 01:26.11 | z4chh | wouldn't that worsen my anxienty? |
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| 01:26.47 | mateolan | z4chh: maybe you should run around the block naked then you'll spend all your time worrying about what your neighbors think, and monday and the decision will be here before you know it, |
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| 01:27.17 | z4chh | mateolan, why do i get the feeling you've done this before? |
| 01:27.28 | nullpuppy | z4chh: you could just start working on the project. |
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| 01:27.47 | z4chh | nullpuppy, i have indeed |
| 01:28.26 | mateolan | z4chh: never done this before, but dude, I am old, and have kids--just went back to school...in the grand scheme of things, this is very, very little stress |
| 01:28.51 | mateolan | it is more fun than anything |
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| 01:28.56 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 01:28.58 | z4chh | you've had extensive practice with them kids ;p |
| 01:29.22 | mateolan | now THEY can cause stress! |
| 01:29.39 | nullpuppy | this damn verilog compiler needs to compile faster. grr. |
| 01:30.06 | l0nwlf_ | nullpuppy: try open64 , it's fast |
| 01:30.38 | nullpuppy | l0nwlf_: hmm. i'll have to look into that. |
| 01:30.56 | l0nwlf_ | :) |
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| 01:31.32 | nullpuppy | and why doesn't this damn example work. /me sighs. |
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| 02:25.37 | okidogi | Will I receive notification if my application be assigned with a mentor? |
| 02:25.52 | nullpuppy | on the 20th |
| 02:26.08 | nullpuppy | students are basically in the dark until then. |
| 02:27.04 | okidogi | nullpuppy: oh, thanks ;~ |
| 02:27.46 | nullpuppy | np |
| 02:27.58 | nullpuppy | we're all waiting ;) |
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| 02:35.50 | JasonY | hhey guys,did you all get comments for your proposal from mentors? |
| 02:36.23 | skbohra | JasonY: none for me :( |
| 02:37.26 | JasonY | tthe 20 day waiting is not easy |
| 02:37.33 | l0nwlf_ | comments can be private too |
| 02:37.50 | skbohra | D day :) |
| 02:37.57 | l0nwlf_ | the wait is 4.5 days approx , bear with it |
| 02:38.23 | skbohra | l0nwlf_: as we can't do any thing else either :D |
| 02:38.52 | JasonY | but if you've subscribed the comments update, you'll be notified once any comment comes up right? |
| 02:39.03 | skbohra | JasonY: right |
| 02:39.34 | JasonY | ok |
| 02:39.40 | Fou_Fou | JasonY: I didn't get any comments either. At least not ones that I could view. |
| 02:40.16 | l0nwlf_ | forget about the comments now |
| 02:40.16 | JasonY | no worries,i'm sure smth good will come along, bless! |
| 02:40.52 | l0nwlf_ | comments are needed for clarification/betterment , but now allotment is done |
| 02:41.23 | JasonY | you mean everything is actually sealed now? |
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| 02:41.53 | l0nwlf_ | well , what does the topic say |
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| 02:42.28 | l0nwlf_ | and why was there a duplicate proposals meeting yesterday |
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| 02:42.43 | JasonY | ops,miss the topic |
| 02:42.55 | l0nwlf_ | google will make the result official on 20th |
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| 02:44.55 | JasonY | hey, Nic! Konnichiwa! |
| 02:46.23 | JasonY | wait! should be Ohayo! |
| 02:46.44 | JasonY | forgot you're just one hour ahead of me,haha |
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| 02:55.04 | Ownatik | !next |
| 02:55.04 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 03:00.45 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 03:20.10 | Jibesh | !log |
| 03:20.11 | socinfo | Error: access denied (owner). |
| 03:20.19 | Catfish_Man | !logs is what you want |
| 03:20.20 | socinfo | Error: "logs" is not a valid command. |
| 03:20.23 | Catfish_Man | ...it used to be |
| 03:20.26 | Catfish_Man | who removed that? |
| 03:20.39 | ojwb | !logs |
| 03:20.39 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 03:20.44 | ojwb | nobody |
| 03:20.58 | Catfish_Man | maaaan. socinfo doesn't love me anymore :( |
| 03:20.59 | Jibesh | thanks |
| 03:21.03 | nsquare | it gives an error if something else is typed along with that |
| 03:21.04 | ojwb | thinks the point is that logs is not a valid command, but it is a valid factoid |
| 03:21.05 | Jibesh | :-) |
| 03:21.32 | nsquare | !timeline e.g. :P |
| 03:21.32 | socinfo | Error: "timeline" is not a valid command. |
| 03:21.47 | skbohra | yes |
| 03:22.01 | skbohra | nsquare: hi |
| 03:22.12 | nsquare | hey skbohra |
| 03:22.55 | nsquare | whats up :) |
| 03:23.27 | skbohra | nothing much , waiting for the d day |
| 03:24.05 | ojwb | Disappointment Day? |
| 03:24.18 | skbohra | nooooooooo |
| 03:24.25 | skbohra | D day is D day |
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| 03:25.14 | l0nwlf_ | D day is Dangling Day |
| 03:25.24 | nsquare | lol @ Disappointment day :D |
| 03:26.07 | mib_lcargm | !timeline |
| 03:26.07 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 03:26.54 | skbohra | D day is Dream day |
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| 03:57.19 | kvWilsonMD | hello |
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| 04:00.29 | kvWilsonMD | How can I know about getting slots to me? |
| 04:01.21 | ojwb | accepted students will be announced on 20th |
| 04:01.21 | ojwb | you need to be patient until then |
| 04:01.40 | Jibesh_ | and should go to hospital |
| 04:01.44 | Jibesh_ | :-) |
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| 04:07.57 | Ownatik | "How can I know about getting slots to me?" |
| 04:08.03 | Ownatik | sounds funny =) |
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| 04:36.42 | ojwb | Ownatik: I bet you'd "sound funny" trying to express yourself in a language you aren't fluent in |
| 04:37.05 | ojwb | it's not cool to laugh at people who try |
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| 04:38.41 | disismt | !allocations |
| 04:38.41 | socinfo | "allocations" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
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| 04:39.26 | Ownatik | ojwb: I didn't mean to sound like I was laughing, sorry if you took it this way. |
| 04:40.11 | Ownatik | ojwb: I didn't mean to try to take him down. |
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| 04:41.53 | ojwb | cool |
| 04:42.04 | ojwb | it did come over a bit as if you were, at least to me |
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| 04:42.39 | Ownatik | Well sorry for this, it's possible since english is not my native language either ;) |
| 04:43.03 | ojwb | laughs at ownatik (but ironically so that's alright...) |
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| 04:46.57 | Landon | someone hit mibbit with the ban hammer? |
| 04:48.06 | chunmun | !botsnack |
| 04:48.06 | socinfo | "botsnack" is rut roh raggy |
| 04:48.44 | ojwb | Landon: not that I've noticed |
| 04:48.59 | Landon | ojwb: well, looking at theK-linesa few minutes ago |
| 04:49.23 | ojwb | has connect/disconnect messages off |
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| 04:49.33 | vladikoff | Landon: I got d/ced |
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| 04:49.49 | ojwb | but I've not seen anyone do any banning for ages |
| 04:49.54 | blast007 | looks like it's back now |
| 04:50.10 | blast007 | it was a k-line |
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| 04:50.38 | cjhopman | what's that? |
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| 04:52.58 | blast007 | cjhopman: basically a server wide ban |
| 04:53.19 | chunmun | btw do we have #gsoc-resolve logs? |
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| 04:53.55 | chunmun | Catfish: do we have #gsoc-resolve logs? |
| 04:54.22 | skbohra | catfish: please do we have? :) |
| 04:54.35 | Catfish_Man | yeah |
| 04:54.46 | Catfish_Man | it's not real interesting though |
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| 05:19.13 | optimus25 | hw do i check the logs? |
| 05:19.19 | optimus25 | of gsoc-resolve |
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| 05:25.17 | jasebo | optimus25: http://tinyurl.com/gsocResolveLogs |
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| 05:53.07 | badri | hi |
| 05:54.17 | JaseY | hey dude |
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| 05:54.43 | esam | !log |
| 05:54.44 | socinfo | Error: access denied (owner). |
| 05:54.51 | Catfish_Man | !logs |
| 05:54.51 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 05:54.59 | esam | thanks |
| 05:55.08 | Catfish_Man | np |
| 05:55.13 | JaseY | I dont really understand when people say !log |
| 05:56.32 | ojwb | they mean !logs |
| 05:56.49 | JaseY | and? |
| 05:56.57 | ojwb | well, they miss off the "s" |
| 05:57.13 | JaseY | and what's !logs? |
| 05:57.14 | ojwb | only the bot's owner can use the "!log" command |
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| 05:57.23 | ojwb | "!logs" is a factoid |
| 05:57.26 | ojwb | "!log" a command |
| 05:57.35 | JaseY | got it! |
| 05:57.36 | ojwb | don't blame me, i didn't write the bot, or set that factoid |
| 05:57.38 | JaseY | thx! |
| 05:58.00 | ojwb | !help log |
| 05:58.00 | socinfo | Error: "help" is not a valid command. |
| 05:58.04 | ojwb | hmm |
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| 06:11.09 | Catfish_Man | disismt: yes? |
| 06:13.14 | cjhopman | any of the other students in here compete in the icpc? |
| 06:13.42 | disismt | asd = testing irc connection :P |
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| 06:14.54 | Catfish_Man | ah k |
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| 06:23.32 | bijolianabhi | hi everyone |
| 06:25.42 | chunmun | bijolianabhi: hi |
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| 07:20.19 | MaNI | hello |
| 07:20.28 | Abhinav1 | hi |
| 07:21.24 | lglira | Im a Mentor for Maemo and Sugarlabs |
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| 07:27.55 | lglira | hi |
| 07:28.40 | kblin | waves |
| 07:30.03 | rajan | hi |
| 07:30.15 | thebolt | hi kblin |
| 07:30.26 | rajan | I don't understand,if everything is sorted by now,why this 5 days gap ? |
| 07:30.42 | kblin | to keep you folks asking |
| 07:30.47 | Catfish_Man | rajan: they're finishing up various other administrative and programming work |
| 07:30.48 | runasand | kblin: hah :) |
| 07:30.55 | kblin | we love to answer the same questions over and over :) |
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| 07:31.09 | rajan | kblin: lol !! |
| 07:31.42 | rajan | Catfish_Man: hmm.. ok ! kinda feeling restless .. not sure,what to do ! |
| 07:31.49 | Catfish_Man | write some code |
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| 07:31.58 | Catfish_Man | or don't |
| 07:32.01 | Catfish_Man | y'know, up to you |
| 07:32.04 | runasand | study :] |
| 07:32.30 | rajan | runasand: yea,kinda studying,actually working on few research papers |
| 07:32.32 | carldani | write some code for coreboot ;-) even if you didn't apply there. coreboot developers appreciate help. |
| 07:32.45 | runasand | rajan: ;) |
| 07:33.36 | kblin | rajan: you can fix some melange bugs like the topic suggests |
| 07:33.47 | rajan | carldani: I love helping :) time a big constraint ! almost a month left to graduate ,, and Profs etc are demanding lots of work .. before they give grades .. |
| 07:33.58 | kblin | fixing melange bugs increases your sexual attractiveness |
| 07:34.37 | rajan | at this point of time,if I get some code done and send to org ! will that help ? or all decisions are almost finally done ?? |
| 07:34.57 | thebolt | kblin: hahah :P |
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| 07:35.34 | kblin | thebolt: matthew wilkes says that, I'm just quoting |
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| 07:36.00 | runasand | rajan: I think that someone who shows commitment to the project got a good chance, but .. yeah :) |
| 07:36.17 | thebolt | kblin: didn't look like a proper quote ;) |
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| 07:37.27 | kblin | thebolt: quote pimping for marketing reasons... |
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| 07:38.07 | rajan | runasand: that's true,I agree .. what my point is "if now" ...?or is it too late and that they have made up their minds .. |
| 07:38.34 | runasand | rajan: maybe, maybe not. With a few more days to go, nothing is set in stone |
| 07:38.59 | runasand | depends on the project, the number of applications they received and so on. |
| 07:39.53 | aqu | but if application wasnt review by org? dose that students have chance to "get in" ? |
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| 07:40.11 | Catfish_Man | no. All applications should have been reviewed |
| 07:40.17 | Catfish_Man | (and as far as I know all were reviewed) |
| 07:40.39 | kblin | not all orgs reply to proposals, though |
| 07:40.44 | Catfish_Man | indeed |
| 07:42.38 | kblin | if I was you, at this point I'd just chill and wait for monday |
| 07:42.52 | PearlJam | so no reply usually does not mean that the application is bad? |
| 07:43.01 | runasand | might be really good too ;) |
| 07:43.27 | aqu | maybe, but all that waiting is killing me ;) |
| 07:43.47 | Catfish_Man | if you die, you definitely won't be accepted |
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| 07:44.05 | aqu | :) |
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| 07:44.30 | thebolt | he who waits for something good never waits too long (as the translated Swedish proverb says) |
| 07:45.16 | thebolt | guess the english equivalent would be "All things comes to those who wait" ;) |
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| 07:47.09 | goer | nice |
| 07:47.50 | ojwb | conversely, "a watched pot never boils" |
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| 07:48.12 | ojwb | so relax and get on with something else! |
| 07:49.43 | JaseY | anyone here from Austin Texas? |
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| 07:56.20 | nsquare | university or place? |
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| 07:56.31 | nsquare | ;D |
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| 08:17.26 | oxcsnicho | !timeline |
| 08:17.27 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 08:25.18 | susscorfa | !logs |
| 08:25.18 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 08:42.23 | JaseY | !logc |
| 08:42.23 | socinfo | Error: "logc" is not a valid command. |
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| 08:42.30 | JaseY | !logs |
| 08:42.30 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 08:54.20 | kashthealien | !results |
| 08:54.20 | socinfo | Error: "results" is not a valid command. |
| 08:54.31 | kashthealien | !I beg you give me the results |
| 08:54.32 | socinfo | Error: "I" is not a valid command. |
| 08:54.52 | kashthealien | !Robots_are_dumb |
| 08:54.53 | socinfo | Error: "Robots_are_dumb" is not a valid command. |
| 08:55.09 | scorche | !botabuse |
| 08:55.09 | socinfo | "botabuse" is Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel) |
| 08:55.41 | kashthealien | scorche, oops sorry! |
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| 08:59.03 | Lezard | lol |
| 08:59.16 | Lezard | i loved the !botabuse command |
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| 09:01.11 | JaseY | !botabuse |
| 09:01.11 | socinfo | "botabuse" is Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel) |
| 09:01.14 | JaseY | hahaha |
| 09:01.21 | JaseY | !botsleep |
| 09:01.21 | socinfo | Error: "botsleep" is not a valid command. |
| 09:01.43 | danderson | JaseY: what is it about "in private" you're not processing? |
| 09:01.49 | danderson | sorry to be blunt, but damn. |
| 09:02.12 | scorche | danderson: =) |
| 09:03.01 | BarryCarlyon | danderson++ |
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| 09:03.20 | gevaerts | yes. It's no fun for the one having to type in all the bot's answers |
| 09:04.19 | gevaerts | points out that gsoc is all about volunteers, so there's no budget for a *real* bot! |
| 09:04.46 | BarryCarlyon | Rofl |
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| 09:16.01 | scorche | mmmmm....cake.... |
| 09:17.25 | the9a3eedi | wait wait wait |
| 09:17.37 | the9a3eedi | so if I'm an international student studying in canada |
| 09:17.54 | the9a3eedi | I need to get a canadian work visa if I want to join GSoC? :S |
| 09:18.18 | ojwb | depends what the canadian rules are on students working |
| 09:18.57 | the9a3eedi | hmm.. now that you mention it, my visa does not allow me to work unless the university approves of it |
| 09:19.10 | the9a3eedi | at least thats what it says i think |
| 09:19.14 | ojwb | ask them then I guess |
| 09:19.23 | the9a3eedi | but when should I be doing this? after I get accepted? |
| 09:19.27 | ojwb | seems likely they would if you're doing compsci or similar |
| 09:19.37 | the9a3eedi | well, fortunately I am doing compsci lol |
| 09:19.46 | ojwb | I'd suggest asking ASAP |
| 09:19.56 | ojwb | dropping out after being accepted isn't ideal |
| 09:20.01 | ojwb | messes everyone around |
| 09:20.04 | the9a3eedi | hm.. could be hard. Final exam seasons |
| 09:20.05 | the9a3eedi | but will do |
| 09:20.24 | smtms | the9a3eedi, be nice to yourself and other students and ask as soon as possible |
| 09:20.51 | ojwb | you don't actually need to have formal agreement right now, just to know if you'd get it... |
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| 09:23.32 | the9a3eedi | yeah, I just posted in the computer sceince society forum in a GSoC thread. Thats the least I can do for now (5:22AM) |
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| 09:23.59 | the9a3eedi | though, if the university considers GSoC to be work.. and since I'm taking Co-operative education.. can I get credits from GSoC? :3 |
| 09:24.18 | scorche | ask your school... |
| 09:24.19 | ojwb | lh will happily write a letter you can pass to the uni |
| 09:24.27 | ojwb | it's up to them if they'll give credit |
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| 09:24.52 | the9a3eedi | I've got a final exam in 2 days. I'll check by then |
| 09:24.59 | the9a3eedi | on friday, I mean.. |
| 09:26.11 | the9a3eedi | though, I'm sure our uni allows GSoC.. otherwise they wouldn't be putting flyers all over the place lol |
| 09:26.54 | Ivanovic | the9a3eedi: this checking will basically be heading to some student office and/or writing a mail about it |
| 09:27.02 | Ivanovic | you should do so right *now* |
| 09:27.12 | Ivanovic | (in general you should have done so *before* applying!) |
| 09:27.17 | ojwb | well, not at 5:22am |
| 09:27.23 | the9a3eedi | I.. didn't know :( |
| 09:27.35 | the9a3eedi | I thought GSoC wasn't considered as a full-time job |
| 09:27.43 | the9a3eedi | or part-time, either |
| 09:27.52 | Ivanovic | uhm, it is full time payment |
| 09:28.03 | Ivanovic | so how could it *not* be a full time (or just part time) job? |
| 09:28.10 | the9a3eedi | it says so in the FAQ :P |
| 09:28.17 | the9a3eedi | I think |
| 09:28.32 | Ivanovic | !faq |
| 09:28.32 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 09:28.34 | schumaml | !faq |
| 09:28.34 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 09:29.18 | the9a3eedi | ok.. its not there in the faq. I must've misread this: "Is Google Summer of Code a recruiting program?" |
| 09:30.11 | schumaml | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#student_time |
| 09:30.32 | schumaml | "[...]you should expect your project to be your primary focus this summer[...]" |
| 09:31.03 | Nik | hello world |
| 09:31.35 | the9a3eedi | return 0 |
| 09:32.09 | Nik | void main |
| 09:32.17 | Nik | ;) |
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| 09:33.01 | olegfink | error: main should have return type int. |
| 09:33.08 | gevaerts | Nik: it's );, not ;) |
| 09:33.20 | Ivanovic | the9a3eedi: you should probably send a mail or whatever is the "prefered form of communication" to the people who can tell you "yes, you are allowed to participate" |
| 09:33.30 | Ivanovic | and yes, for this you should not wait till tomorrow |
| 09:34.00 | Nik | extern c |
| 09:34.10 | Nik | not specifed |
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| 09:35.46 | Ivanovic | the9a3eedi: they will most likely be able to tell you quickly if you can participate in such a job or not |
| 09:36.15 | Ivanovic | and, basically as important, they can also tell you which forms/proofs of whatever are required to be allowed to do so |
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| 09:37.15 | the9a3eedi | am I able to withdraw my application? |
| 09:37.25 | the9a3eedi | if, in the worst case, I'm not allowed to participate in GSoC |
| 09:37.44 | scorche | yes, but it is getting quite late.. |
| 09:38.20 | smtms | the9a3eedi, if you don't withdraw quick enough, you'll leave your org with less slots and the next student in their list will be left out of GSoC |
| 09:38.20 | Ivanovic | the9a3eedi: you should tell your org about this then ASAP so that the org can do the required steps (as in evaluate if another student can get your slot or if they have to give the slot away) |
| 09:38.31 | Ivanovic | the problem is that this has to be done till sunday |
| 09:38.59 | Ivanovic | (if you are allowed to work (and accepted), everything is fine, if not it will be a hell of a lot of trouble) |
| 09:39.15 | dqminh | the9a3eedi, can contact the school admin to confirm ? |
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| 09:43.23 | kblin | see, and that's why there's a 5 day pause between the conflict resolution meeting and the final acceptance notifications |
| 09:44.03 | Abhinav1 | Is Anyone here for xiph? |
| 09:44.35 | kblin | !anyone |
| 09:44.36 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 09:45.12 | the9a3eedi | Ivanovic, dqminh, I just sent an email to the university's co-operative office. With an urgent flag. I hope they reply soon. |
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| 09:45.37 | schumaml | kblin: so there's no secret google black ops dept running extended background checks on the students? |
| 09:45.47 | ojwb | shhh.... |
| 09:46.00 | smtms | schumaml, of course there isn't. it's secret... |
| 09:46.48 | kblin | schumaml: no. and it's not the one that doesn't have the teams of ninjas that aren't currently on the way to you |
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| 09:47.00 | the9a3eedi | I'm worried they'd say something, as GSoC isn't a traditional "job" .. i.e. there aren't any resumes, job interviews, and work times involved. |
| 09:47.28 | smtms | the9a3eedi, it's contract based, there's job application process |
| 09:47.31 | ojwb | traditional jobs are overrated |
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| 09:47.48 | scorche | i woulsnt say that...applications can be very resume like, there is a work time expectation usually, and many orgs do interviews.. |
| 09:47.48 | smtms | the9a3eedi, and you can get "cirriculum practical training" letter for it |
| 09:47.48 | kblin | so you're not allowed to take contracting jobs? |
| 09:47.51 | Nik | flexible timingsa |
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| 09:48.04 | schumaml | the9a3eedi: your application didn't contain a resume? |
| 09:48.21 | kblin | morning SRabbelier |
| 09:48.21 | smtms | the9a3eedi, don't forget to tell 'em it's prestigous for you and the university |
| 09:48.35 | the9a3eedi | schumaml, for GSoC? nope............. Was I supposed to include a resume? lol . Well I did outline my skills and stuff |
| 09:48.56 | SRabbelier | kblin: morning :) |
| 09:48.57 | the9a3eedi | ojwb, I agree :P |
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| 09:50.38 | schumaml | the9a3eedi: that does depend on the org's application template |
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| 09:51.59 | ojwb | as a job application would depend on what the employer asked for... |
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| 09:53.08 | the9a3eedi | hmm |
| 09:53.15 | the9a3eedi | i could apply for a work permit online |
| 09:53.48 | smtms | the9a3eedi, after talking to your university please |
| 09:54.55 | omniter | what's up people |
| 09:57.23 | smtms | omniter, you are late to the party |
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| 10:23.06 | the9a3eedi | oh man. I'm seriously worried. applications for work permits take time :/ |
| 10:23.45 | the9a3eedi | why the heck did I realize this earlier >______< |
| 10:23.47 | ojwb | but if your university agrees, it sounds like you don't need one |
| 10:23.51 | the9a3eedi | bangs head on wall |
| 10:24.14 | the9a3eedi | now that I read my visa properly, it says I am only authorized to work oncampus. not off-campus |
| 10:24.22 | the9a3eedi | GSoC is considered off-campus, right? |
| 10:24.29 | ojwb | laptop in the library! |
| 10:24.33 | the9a3eedi | lol |
| 10:24.52 | the9a3eedi | you're still not working for the university, you're working for someone else.. i.e. off-campus |
| 10:24.53 | ojwb | doesn't think we can really answer such questions |
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| 10:24.59 | the9a3eedi | at least thats what I think |
| 10:25.10 | the9a3eedi | I'd need a seperate permit for this >_> |
| 10:25.36 | carldani | the faq had some enty about visas |
| 10:25.40 | ojwb | your uni should know how the rules work |
| 10:25.42 | the9a3eedi | and permits probably take weeks, for no absolute reason (much like bank transfers to paypal) |
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| 10:26.22 | the9a3eedi | carldani, I know, but I didnt think it would apply to me |
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| 10:31.24 | the9a3eedi | I will go to the university as soon as I can and check on this matter |
| 10:31.27 | the9a3eedi | but for now, sleep. |
| 10:35.48 | the9a3eedi | ok............. what if I was in my national country? then I wouldn't need a visa.. would I? |
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| 10:36.44 | ojwb | if you can work there without one, you don't need one |
| 10:36.50 | the9a3eedi | country of citizenship I mean. |
| 10:36.53 | the9a3eedi | yeah |
| 10:36.55 | ojwb | it would seem a strange law to have |
| 10:37.11 | ojwb | but I don't know the employment laws of every country, so ... |
| 10:37.30 | the9a3eedi | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.. if worst comes to worst, i'll just have to skip the summer courses I was planning to take this summer.. and back home for hte summer |
| 10:37.34 | the9a3eedi | lol |
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| 10:37.39 | the9a3eedi | I have a flgiht ticket anyways so whatever |
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| 10:42.28 | the9a3eedi | I wouldn't want to skip my summer courses though :S |
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| 10:53.57 | the9a3eedi | though, just to make sure.. there's no rule on me having to be in the country in which I'm studying in during GSoC, right? |
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| 10:58.01 | thiagoss | the9a3eedi: I'm not a lawyer, but it seems you need to have work permission to work on gsoc on the country you'll be during it. Lots of discussion last year about this. But I might be wrong |
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| 11:00.00 | ojwb | in every country you'd be in, from what lh has said |
| 11:00.19 | ojwb | if you're in more than one |
| 11:01.08 | ojwb | and I think it's fine to spend the summer in your home country, though not ideal if you have to miss courses to do it |
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| 11:23.08 | yigit | !next |
| 11:23.08 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 11:26.31 | the9a3eedi | hmm |
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| 11:26.47 | the9a3eedi | what if I was spending the entire summer in a country, but I go off to another country for a little vacation? |
| 11:26.58 | the9a3eedi | for a bit, I mean |
| 11:27.15 | the9a3eedi | since it's all done through the internet, it doesn't really matter, does it? |
| 11:27.52 | MatthewWilkes | the9a3eedi: You need to comply with all local laws. If you work in a country that you don't have permission to work in you can get in trouble. |
| 11:28.13 | the9a3eedi | hmm ok |
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| 12:06.24 | devvrat | !logs |
| 12:06.24 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 12:33.34 | avox | !numbers |
| 12:33.34 | socinfo | Error: "numbers" is not a valid command. |
| 12:33.36 | avox | !number |
| 12:33.36 | socinfo | Error: "number" is not a valid command. |
| 12:33.51 | avox | !numbers!words |
| 12:33.51 | socinfo | Error: "numbers!words" is not a valid command. |
| 12:33.56 | avox | !words |
| 12:33.56 | socinfo | Error: "words" is not a valid command. |
| 12:34.03 | avox | !list |
| 12:34.04 | socinfo | Error: "list" is not a valid command. |
| 12:34.05 | kblin | can you please play with the bot in a query? |
| 12:34.07 | avox | !help |
| 12:34.07 | socinfo | "help" is see !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki |
| 12:34.18 | avox | !next |
| 12:34.19 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 12:35.16 | lut4rp | hi kblin |
| 12:35.19 | avox | !commands |
| 12:35.19 | socinfo | Error: "commands" is not a valid command. |
| 12:35.29 | avox | !list alias |
| 12:35.30 | socinfo | Error: "list" is not a valid command. |
| 12:35.33 | lut4rp | avox, err. |
| 12:35.41 | avox | sorry |
| 12:35.44 | lut4rp | avox, please, run those in a query |
| 12:36.00 | avox | any idea how to query the number of applications? |
| 12:36.14 | scorche|sh | !numapps |
| 12:36.15 | socinfo | "numapps" is This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam. There are 5900 proposals from 3500 students. |
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| 12:36.23 | lut4rp | ouch. |
| 12:36.27 | codestasher | lol |
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| 12:36.43 | kblin | man, you look into another channel for a minute and people start doing crap again |
| 12:36.57 | lut4rp | gsoc gets people excited :) |
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| 12:37.26 | codestasher | he was excited for no of applications:P |
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| 12:37.53 | lut4rp | whatever... |
| 12:37.58 | lut4rp | goes to take a bath |
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| 12:38.59 | thebolt | hi all |
| 12:39.06 | avox | !logs |
| 12:39.06 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 12:39.16 | kblin | hi thebolt |
| 12:39.23 | lut4rp | avox, man. |
| 12:39.36 | lut4rp | avox, run /query socinfo |
| 12:39.48 | lut4rp | and then do whatever you want to. |
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| 12:40.34 | avox | yeah, but socinfo isnt doing what I want to :-) |
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| 12:40.52 | scorche|sh | thats a shame |
| 12:40.57 | scorche|sh | what did you want it to do? |
| 12:41.12 | lut4rp | avox, that's not an excuse to fill our logs with botspeak :P |
| 12:41.27 | lut4rp | avox, how about you run !numapps in the query? |
| 12:41.47 | kblin | lut4rp: you need to specify the channel if you're in a query, iirc |
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| 12:42.06 | scorche|sh | in a query, "whatis #gsoc <factoid> |
| 12:42.14 | scorche|sh | adds a " to the end |
| 12:42.18 | lut4rp | kblin, i'm using irssi, and i dont' need to. |
| 12:42.25 | lut4rp | perhaps its client dependent |
| 12:42.29 | scorche|sh | it isnt client dependent |
| 12:42.44 | scorche|sh | some commands will work...most factoids wont |
| 12:42.47 | kblin | lut4rp: I run irssi as well |
| 12:42.58 | kblin | lut4rp: you go and try it and then we talk |
| 12:43.54 | lut4rp | kblin, :o |
| 12:44.01 | lut4rp | its saying invalid command |
| 12:44.15 | lut4rp | kblin, i use Druplicon in a query all the time :) |
| 12:44.22 | lut4rp | um, that |
| 12:44.25 | lut4rp | is the #drupal bot. |
| 12:44.30 | scorche|sh | not all bots are set up the same way... |
| 12:44.31 | kblin | lut4rp: I was talking about socinfo, though |
| 12:44.41 | kblin | lut4rp: not some other random bot you might be using |
| 12:44.45 | lut4rp | aye, socinfo isn't. |
| 12:44.57 | schumaml | socinfo is a supybot? |
| 12:44.57 | socinfo | Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
| 12:45.13 | scorche|sh | !version |
| 12:45.15 | socinfo | The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.1+darcs. The newest version available online is 0.83.3. |
| 12:45.24 | lut4rp | yes, it says in /whois |
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| 12:46.20 | schumaml | then the fm to r is here: http://supybot.sourceforge.net/docs/plugins.html |
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| 13:14.48 | vishal | hi Aditya |
| 13:15.33 | vishal | adimania: where are you from? |
| 13:16.00 | kblin | evening mithro |
| 13:16.43 | adimania | India |
| 13:16.52 | adimania | BIT, Mesra |
| 13:17.03 | adimania | you?? |
| 13:17.05 | vishal | ok. |
| 13:17.14 | vishal | i thought i know you but i dont |
| 13:17.25 | vishal | i'm from Andhra Pradesh. |
| 13:17.29 | adimania | where are you from? |
| 13:17.38 | vishal | college: IIT Bombay |
| 13:17.43 | adimania | ok |
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| 13:17.48 | adimania | cool |
| 13:18.35 | vishal | I think you are that Aditya who was selected for both LF and ASF. ryt? |
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| 13:20.58 | carldani | who is in charge of socinfo? |
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| 13:22.23 | carldani | one of the reasons that people "play" with the bot in this channel is that it refuses all commands including !help in a direct query |
| 13:22.49 | danderson | don't include ! |
| 13:22.53 | danderson | the ! is the in-channel trigger |
| 13:23.03 | carldani | danderson: doesn't help either |
| 13:23.15 | carldani | 15:20 <carldani> help |
| 13:23.16 | carldani | 15:20 <socinfo> Error: "help" is not a valid command. |
| 13:23.16 | danderson | it doesn't accept help because I disabled it |
| 13:23.27 | danderson | I disabled all commands except for factoid stuff |
| 13:23.33 | carldani | it doesn't accept next either |
| 13:23.43 | carldani | tell me one command it accepts |
| 13:24.07 | danderson | because that is a factoid name, which is expanded to 'factoids whatis next' when no matching command is found |
| 13:24.21 | danderson | 'factoids whatis #gsoc <factoid name>' |
| 13:24.26 | danderson | 'factoids search #gsoc *' |
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| 13:25.28 | carldani | so let me get this straight. kblin and others tell people to play with the bot outside the channel, but it's impossible to find out how to talk with the bot unless you already know how. |
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| 13:25.51 | danderson | let *me* get this straight: you have nothing better to do than to play with an infobot? |
| 13:25.58 | avox | carldani, good summary |
| 13:26.01 | danderson | or, to put it another way: why do you want to? |
| 13:26.08 | scorche|sh | carldani: uh....what? |
| 13:26.18 | scorche|sh | why would it be impossible? |
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| 13:26.36 | danderson | scorche|sh: because people are lost when bots don't respond to inane stuff like 'help' |
| 13:26.51 | avox | danderson, why don't you sum up the factoid commands in a "info" factoid and link that from !help? |
| 13:26.56 | scorche|sh | carldani: as i said before say "whatis #gsoc <factoid>" in a pm |
| 13:27.07 | scorche|sh | avox: because there are a hell of a lot of factoids |
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| 13:27.19 | danderson | avox: please feel free to teach the bot that |
| 13:27.29 | danderson | but, again |
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| 13:27.35 | danderson | I don't see what the attraction is |
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| 13:27.37 | avox | Oh, I can use learn without having an account? |
| 13:27.45 | scorche|sh | sadly, yes |
| 13:27.47 | danderson | honestly, the !botabuse factoid seems strange to me |
| 13:27.57 | avox | !botabuse |
| 13:27.57 | socinfo | "botabuse" is Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel) |
| 13:27.58 | danderson | it should just say "leave me the fuck alone!" |
| 13:28.02 | danderson | and be done with it |
| 13:28.05 | scorche|sh | haha |
| 13:28.33 | MatthewWilkes | socinfo: forget botabuse |
| 13:28.33 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 13:28.38 | scorche|sh | =( |
| 13:28.40 | MatthewWilkes | socinfo: learn botabuse as leave me the fuck alone! |
| 13:28.40 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 13:28.42 | MatthewWilkes | runs |
| 13:29.00 | merbzt | !botabuse |
| 13:29.00 | socinfo | "botabuse" is leave me the fuck alone! |
| 13:29.05 | scorche|sh | liked it better last year when only a select few could touch factoids |
| 13:29.16 | danderson | scorche|sh: how come? |
| 13:29.26 | danderson | I haven't seen any cases of abuse, did I miss some? |
| 13:29.51 | scorche|sh | not any major ones...just ones here and there who think it is funny to add their own factoids |
| 13:29.59 | scorche|sh | !forget botabuse |
| 13:30.00 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 13:30.08 | danderson | meh |
| 13:30.18 | scorche|sh | !learn botabuse as Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel) |
| 13:30.19 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 13:30.29 | carldani | socinfo: forget help |
| 13:30.40 | gevaerts | scorche|sh: learn factoid as feel free to add more factoids |
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| 13:31.20 | carldani | socinfo: learn help as see !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki . if someone tells you to play with me in private, please note that the command set is different |
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| 13:31.27 | scorche|sh | !learn botabuse as When in a query with me, use "whatis #gsoc <factoid>" to get the best use. |
| 13:31.28 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 13:32.07 | gevaerts | hm, apparently scorche|sh isn't a bot... |
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| 13:32.53 | SLEducator | kusum1, are you kusum Madarasu |
| 13:33.21 | carldani | !help |
| 13:33.21 | socinfo | "help" is (#1) see !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki, or (#2) !next, !faq, !advice, !wiki and !botabuse |
| 13:33.32 | carldani | hrmpf |
| 13:33.34 | sanooj | have you tried to /query socinfo lately? it gives me 'Error: "<whatyousaid>" is not a valid command.' for the commands !botabuse and botabuse and help !help and !next and next |
| 13:33.57 | scorche|sh | sanooj: you havent been paying much attention, have you... |
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| 13:34.10 | danderson | if you tried that many, you probably got ignored by the bot's flood protection. |
| 13:34.11 | sanooj | not really, no. |
| 13:34.17 | scorche|sh | !botabuse |
| 13:34.17 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use. |
| 13:34.19 | avox | !botcommands |
| 13:34.19 | socinfo | "botcommands" is Use /query socinfo and then use the commands 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'factoids whatis #gsoc NAME' |
| 13:34.23 | scorche|sh | check out number 2 |
| 13:34.33 | SLEducator | kusum1, hello |
| 13:35.03 | carldani | !help |
| 13:35.03 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
| 13:35.14 | scorche|sh | sighs |
| 13:35.20 | Blackhat | !botabuse |
| 13:35.20 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use. |
| 13:35.40 | danderson | is going to shut down socinfo if this goes on |
| 13:35.48 | ojwb | sighs at pages of bot abuse scrollback |
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| 13:36.03 | SLEducator | this room is just noise, not a very productive GSOC channel |
| 13:36.04 | danderson | leave sensible people on irc with a bot, and watch everyone turn into children |
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| 13:36.30 | straydawg | haha yes :-) |
| 13:36.32 | scorche|sh | SLEducator: and what should we be talking about instead? |
| 13:36.40 | danderson | SLEducator: feel free to either start a conversation, or leave |
| 13:36.45 | SLEducator | google summer of code |
| 13:36.46 | danderson | we are not entertainers |
| 13:37.04 | scorche|sh | SLEducator: more specifically... |
| 13:37.23 | thebolt | danderson: i think if you stop discussing it and concerning yourself with it it will stop in pretty short time.. |
| 13:37.40 | danderson | thebolt: I've already flipped several bozo bits in the past hour or so |
| 13:37.47 | danderson | but more and more seem to be coming... |
| 13:37.49 | SLEducator | how about , timelines, mentoring tips, measuring student progress,etc |
| 13:37.59 | SLEducator | you know topical |
| 13:38.00 | scorche|sh | SLEducator: go for it |
| 13:38.02 | danderson | !timeline |
| 13:38.03 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 13:38.04 | danderson | !advice |
| 13:38.04 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 13:38.11 | danderson | there. |
| 13:38.17 | SLEducator | ok |
| 13:38.17 | danderson | It's all been discussed to death before |
| 13:38.23 | danderson | that's why nobody is going over it again |
| 13:38.35 | danderson | if you have something new to contribute, feel free |
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| 13:38.44 | SLEducator | in other words RTFM and LUTFA |
| 13:38.51 | danderson | but, as I said, we are not entertainers for your pleasure |
| 13:38.56 | danderson | this channel is what you make of it |
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| 13:39.18 | danderson | I am in fact at work, multiplexing dealing with people here and actual, productive work |
| 13:39.33 | danderson | I apologize if my level of entertainment is not up to your stringent standards. |
| 13:39.38 | danderson | Actually, no, I don't. |
| 13:39.46 | thebolt | :) |
| 13:40.06 | lut4rp | OK OK, lets change the topic... :D |
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| 13:40.38 | SLEducator | I would suggest twitter or another channel for the idol useless chatter you have been spewing |
| 13:40.50 | SLEducator | CHILDREN |
| 13:40.50 | lut4rp | err. |
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| 13:40.54 | thebolt | SLEducator: you don't seem to be a regular here.. |
| 13:40.56 | danderson | fuck off then. |
| 13:41.02 | lut4rp | sigh. |
| 13:41.05 | thebolt | and will probably not become one either :P |
| 13:41.09 | lut4rp | thebolt, haha |
| 13:41.18 | scorche|sh | if you are going to call people children, at least learn the difference between idle and idol |
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| 13:41.49 | thebolt | the SNR right now is about the same as it been for the past 14 months, with a few occational tops around useful dates |
| 13:41.49 | ojwb | that's a false idle... |
| 13:41.57 | lut4rp | OK, so did anyone see redcareditor.com yet? |
| 13:42.03 | danderson | thebolt: you mean drops, right? |
| 13:42.11 | lut4rp | its a Ruby based editor for Gnom |
| 13:42.14 | lut4rp | er, Gnome** |
| 13:42.19 | kblin | danderson: hehe |
| 13:42.22 | danderson | at any important deadline, SNR drops to zero for about 1h before the event |
| 13:42.23 | thebolt | danderson: well, depends on what you mean the signal is ;) |
| 13:42.38 | thebolt | true, but at times it goes up a little as well |
| 13:42.51 | thebolt | at least when it is mentoring related deadlines as compared to student related ones ;) |
| 13:43.01 | danderson | true |
| 13:43.02 | thebolt | danderson: zero? zero is a pretty high SNR ;) |
| 13:43.18 | danderson | thebolt: um, no? |
| 13:43.19 | thebolt | i'd say somewhere around -25 or so :) |
| 13:43.26 | danderson | well, in dB, yeah |
| 13:43.27 | thebolt | danderson: SNR is usually/always measured in dB ;) |
| 13:43.32 | danderson | I was looking at a pure ratio :) |
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| 13:43.44 | thebolt | bah, thats too painful to talk about ;) |
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| 13:51.54 | salexse | !help |
| 13:51.55 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
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| 13:52.53 | udit | !timeline |
| 13:52.54 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 13:58.18 | SLEducator | !time |
| 13:58.19 | socinfo | "time" is http://tinyurl.com/dbxnmy |
| 13:58.28 | SLEducator | !timeline |
| 13:58.28 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 14:00.06 | ojwb | !timelinedioe |
| 14:00.06 | socinfo | Error: "timelinedioe" is not a valid command. |
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| 14:07.59 | jeez__ | argh! we have to wait four days more... =/ |
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| 14:17.24 | kblin | jeez__: fix some melange bugs in the meantime |
| 14:18.49 | jeez__ | kblin: ehehe, yes, I saw the topic :P |
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| 14:24.02 | kblin | jeez__: I'm going to keep suggesting this until all melange bugs are fixed |
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| 14:24.07 | kblin | jeez__: or until monday |
| 14:24.12 | kblin | whichever happens first |
| 14:25.04 | Corsix | monday will happen first |
| 14:25.21 | danderson | given how many people follow the topic's advice, most likely :( |
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| 14:35.26 | enigmaticolossus | !next |
| 14:35.27 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 15:12.55 | thebolt | hey webchick :) |
| 15:13.13 | kblin | le sigh |
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| 15:20.37 | lglira | hi |
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| 15:28.21 | rajan | !next |
| 15:28.21 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 15:29.22 | rajan | hey,"talk to your org" ,does it makes any sense now ? when every thing is finallised ? |
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| 15:30.58 | ecin | Some orgs are carrying the policy of not having anything set until the 20th, or so they say. |
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| 15:35.21 | rajan | ecin: oh!! |
| 15:35.28 | rajan | thanks |
| 15:36.00 | ecin | I don't know when their deadline for having students set is, though. :) |
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| 15:37.49 | rajan | ecin: yea,right !! you are a student ? |
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| 15:40.16 | ian_mac | orgs have made selections, but nothing is official or firm until the 20th when Google announces it, and orgs have been asked to not release results until after Google does |
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| 15:40.46 | Guest39849 | hey |
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| 15:40.55 | Guest39849 | who deals with the gsoc blog? |
| 15:41.04 | disismt | lh |
| 15:41.11 | kblin | there's a gsoc blog? |
| 15:41.13 | Guest39849 | thought so |
| 15:41.32 | Corsix | there's a google open source blog |
| 15:41.40 | Corsix | and a gsoc mailing list |
| 15:41.47 | Corsix | but not gsoc blog that I'm aware of |
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| 15:41.53 | cbx3333 | i did a feature on GSoC in GeekDeck http://geekdeck.wordpress.com |
| 15:42.01 | kblin | Corsix: there used to be |
| 15:42.12 | cbx3333 | googlesummerofcode.blogspot.com/ |
| 15:42.26 | cbx3333 | i was told that the GSoC crew like things like that |
| 15:42.32 | cbx3333 | so I thought I'd share it |
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| 15:42.39 | kblin | cbx3333: http://googlesummerofcode.blogspot.com/2008/03/were-moving.html |
| 15:42.49 | kblin | cbx3333: kindly read the post (and associated date) |
| 15:43.00 | cbx3333 | ok |
| 15:43.07 | cbx3333 | my apologies |
| 15:43.22 | cbx3333 | was just biggin up GSoC and thought people may wanna know |
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| 15:43.55 | kblin | cbx3333: ping lh, I guess |
| 15:43.59 | cbx3333 | ok |
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| 16:19.09 | jess | hi |
| 16:20.02 | jess | anyone who has applied for limesurvey? |
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| 16:21.23 | sameer | !logs |
| 16:21.23 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 16:34.27 | matek | are there any logs from yesterday resolve meeting? |
| 16:35.13 | Landon | no cagefights, so nothing exciting |
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| 16:37.36 | matek | I just wanted to see how it looks like |
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| 16:49.53 | jezdez | !timeline |
| 16:49.53 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 16:51.23 | vladikoff | !next |
| 16:51.23 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 16:51.42 | ian_mac | it was fairly short matek |
| 16:51.54 | kblin | matek: there's a log somewhere, hang on |
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| 16:52.27 | ian_mac | http://tinyurl.com/gsocResolveLogs |
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| 16:53.07 | matek | thanks ian_mac |
| 16:53.54 | ian_mac | np |
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| 17:00.26 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 17:15.33 | vladikoff | !help |
| 17:15.33 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
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| 17:27.34 | tkamppeter | !botabuse |
| 17:27.34 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
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| 18:04.39 | Landon | C#, you boggle my mind, I try a simple for loop for (int i=0;i++;i<26) |
| 18:04.47 | Landon | and it tells me that I can't convert an int to a bool! |
| 18:04.47 | Landon | :P |
| 18:05.38 | Landon | oh wait |
| 18:05.38 | Landon | my bad |
| 18:05.41 | Landon | I'm doin it backwards |
| 18:05.55 | blast007 | ;) |
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| 18:07.44 | Upthorn | yeah the i++ was in the wrong spot |
| 18:07.44 | alanp | lol |
| 18:07.49 | alanp | that was classic landon :P |
| 18:08.02 | Landon | well from the error I got it wasn't at all obvious |
| 18:08.03 | Landon | :P |
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| 18:08.09 | sid0 | Landon: sigh I like the python range syntax so much I'd use foreach (int i in Enumerable.Range(0, 26)) |
| 18:08.12 | Landon | now for the next thing, how do I add an int i to char 'a' |
| 18:08.16 | alanp | no, the error made sense! :P |
| 18:08.25 | alanp | it's looking for a boolean value, you're incrementing an int |
| 18:08.26 | alanp | lol |
| 18:08.32 | Landon | oh, makes more sense now |
| 18:08.36 | alanp | yeah |
| 18:08.44 | Landon | but if I knew it was looking for a boolean value I wouldn't have screwed up in the first place |
| 18:08.44 | Landon | :P |
| 18:08.55 | alanp | i<26 is a boolean value |
| 18:09.10 | sid0 | Landon: second part: (char) ('a' + i) |
| 18:09.15 | alanp | for (variable; boolean value; increment) |
| 18:09.28 | Upthorn | or rather |
| 18:10.09 | Upthorn | for (variable; boolean expression; increment) |
| 18:10.09 | Landon | sid0: winner! types confuse the * out of me |
| 18:10.09 | alanp | yes |
| 18:10.09 | lcuk | why isnt (i++) boolean.. ;) |
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| 18:10.17 | alanp | it could be i guess |
| 18:10.32 | alanp | well not really |
| 18:10.42 | sid0 | Landon: well. it's simple. 'a' is char, i is int, ('a' + i) would mean a char + an int, which gets implicitly cast to an int |
| 18:10.53 | Upthorn | i is an int. ++ doesn't do any tests on i |
| 18:10.55 | Landon | sid0: and yeah... between python and asm/C my life is complete, I really don't want to dabble in anything else |
| 18:10.57 | sid0 | since a char is smaller than an int, you need to explicitly case it |
| 18:11.03 | Landon | sid0: when I did just 'a'+i it whined at me |
| 18:11.04 | sid0 | *cast |
| 18:11.07 | Landon | I figured it'd do it even if it was cast |
| 18:11.15 | sid0 | Landon: no, it wouldn't :) |
| 18:11.31 | lcuk | aren't the students meant to figure this lot out? |
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| 18:11.42 | sid0 | lcuk: hehe |
| 18:11.45 | Landon | lcuk: C# details? :P |
| 18:11.52 | Landon | screw that, I have the algorithms down |
| 18:11.52 | Landon | :P |
| 18:11.58 | lcuk | heh |
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| 18:12.13 | sid0 | Landon: but yeah. foreach (int i in Enumerable.Range(0, 26)) |
| 18:12.21 | Landon | s/C#/language/ |
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| 18:12.30 | Landon | yeah, suck on that ibot :) |
| 18:12.37 | lcuk | is c# an actual language then nowadays? |
| 18:12.49 | Upthorn | yeah, that python syntax looks like more typing than it needs to be. |
| 18:12.55 | Landon | well, we're using it in data structures, so apparently :P |
| 18:13.07 | sid0 | Upthorn: foreach (var i in Enumerable.Range(0, 26)) ? |
| 18:13.08 | sid0 | :) |
| 18:13.14 | Upthorn | sid0: yeah |
| 18:13.21 | Upthorn | much less typing to do |
| 18:13.30 | Upthorn | for (i=0;i<26;i++) |
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| 18:14.02 | Upthorn | and I'm lazy, so the fewer keystrokes required, the better |
| 18:14.04 | Landon | Upthorn: at the risk of not being "plain english" |
| 18:14.05 | sid0 | Upthorn: well, I usually use VS, so typing isn't really an issue :) |
| 18:14.24 | lcuk | Upthorn, "while(1){ ... }" ;) |
| 18:14.29 | Landon | heh |
| 18:14.37 | lcuk | users can ctrl c to stop it - what more can they ask |
| 18:14.39 | Upthorn | lcuk: that is functionally different! |
| 18:14.55 | lcuk | only slightly |
| 18:15.09 | enigmaticolossus | !timeline |
| 18:15.10 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 18:15.31 | Upthorn | err I mean the while(1) :p |
| 18:15.35 | chunmun | !botsnack |
| 18:15.35 | socinfo | "botsnack" is rut roh raggy |
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| 18:16.05 | sid0 | Upthorn: haha, I initially thought that by typing you meant static typing :) |
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| 18:16.22 | sid0 | at "yeah, that python syntax looks like more typing than it needs to be." |
| 18:16.34 | Upthorn | yeah I figured that out |
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| 18:16.44 | Upthorn | which is why I clarified with examples heh |
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| 18:18.54 | neo7 | says Hi! |
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| 18:32.07 | rocky_h | !logs |
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| 18:40.12 | rkatiyar | !next |
| 18:40.12 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 18:55.30 | optimus25 | Allocations Final? |
| 18:56.37 | Upthorn | allocations final as of yesterday I believe |
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| 19:03.34 | neo71 | says Hi!! |
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| 19:26.48 | optimus25 | bt its still nt final.. |
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| 19:27.00 | optimus25 | sm orgs can still donate their slots |
| 19:27.08 | Catfish_Man | hands optimus25 some vowels |
| 19:27.25 | optimus25 | :P |
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| 19:27.46 | optimus25 | any one applied for GenMapp here? |
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| 19:42.52 | ramiro | hi |
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| 19:46.02 | ramiro | I was told we would be able to edit the title/abstract at some point. Is that only after the official announcement on the 20th, or in the following days? |
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| 20:08.16 | kblin | ramiro: sounds like a melange question :) |
| 20:08.23 | chx | !timeline |
| 20:08.23 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 20:09.15 | chx | ramiro: i do not speak for the Melange project nor for Google and I might be totally mistaken but I highly doubt you can edit your application any more. Public comments were the way but now... what'd be the point of changing the application once the students are selected? |
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| 20:09.20 | the9a3eedi | hmm I got a question about mailing lists.. |
| 20:09.32 | the9a3eedi | say you made a thread, and someone replies to it. And you want to reply to that reply |
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| 20:10.03 | the9a3eedi | so you have to send an email. How do you make sure that your reply gets into the thread, and does not open a seperate thread? |
| 20:11.11 | hypa7ia | the9a3eedi: if you're using a good mail client, it will do that automatically based on the headers |
| 20:11.26 | hypa7ia | the9a3eedi: if you're using outlook, you shouldn't be on mailing lists :) |
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| 20:12.13 | the9a3eedi | hypa7ia: is gmail good enough? :P |
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| 20:12.29 | kblin | hypa7ia: outlook isn't that bad... compared to lotus notes ;) |
| 20:12.38 | freebsd-brooks | hypa7ia: I think even outlook sets in-reply-to: these days, Notes still manages to screw just about everything though |
| 20:12.42 | hypa7ia | kblin: OMG |
| 20:12.48 | hypa7ia | don't get me started on notes |
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| 20:12.52 | hypa7ia | sets notes on fire |
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| 20:13.14 | hypa7ia | the9a3eedi: gmail will work, just don't top-post :) |
| 20:13.24 | sid0 | the9a3eedi: yes, IME gmail sets references headers correctly |
| 20:13.31 | kblin | but what do you expect about an office appliction that's basically a fancy eclipse plugin? |
| 20:14.04 | the9a3eedi | though.. i dont know if its going to work. i subscribed to daily digests... |
| 20:14.04 | kblin | of course if you have gmail, you can use IMAP and a real mail program :) |
| 20:14.19 | sid0 | but gmail-- for hugely encouraging top posting |
| 20:14.23 | kblin | that'll probably break threading |
| 20:14.53 | kblin | sid0: bottom-posting while not deleting irrelevant parts is annoying as well |
| 20:14.58 | hypa7ia | depending on the client, kblin |
| 20:15.06 | hypa7ia | ugh, that it is |
| 20:15.10 | hypa7ia | or replying to digests |
| 20:15.12 | sid0 | kblin: sure. |
| 20:15.16 | hypa7ia | why do people use digests |
| 20:15.17 | freebsd-brooks | the9a3eedi: I belive you need a very smart mailer to handle replys to digests, best to avoid that |
| 20:15.21 | hypa7ia | shakes an angry fist |
| 20:15.40 | kblin | hypa7ia: I use digest mode for gsoc-students |
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| 20:15.58 | kblin | once gsoc starts, it's full of comepletely useless chatter |
| 20:16.22 | kblin | but then I use the google groups web-frontend to reply to posts |
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| 20:16.39 | hypa7ia | i just turned mail off for both -mentors and -students |
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| 20:16.55 | summatusmentis | kblin: that's what I did last year too |
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| 20:17.13 | sanooj | I quite enjoyed the students mailing list chatter. |
| 20:17.22 | alanp | you can subscribe the student's list already? |
| 20:17.24 | the9a3eedi | I seee.. so I should make sure to not top post |
| 20:17.27 | summatusmentis | hundreds of messages a day are not my cup of tea |
| 20:17.35 | kblin | summatusmentis: I've pretty much seen all the "anybody from XYZ" threads I ever cared about |
| 20:17.52 | kblin | alanp: no |
| 20:18.01 | alanp | ah, ok |
| 20:18.17 | kblin | alanp: you'll be auto-subscribed if you're accepted |
| 20:18.24 | alanp | cool |
| 20:18.51 | nullpuppy | less then 4 more days |
| 20:18.59 | nullpuppy | woo |
| 20:19.02 | hypa7ia | oh, not students, i meant -discuss |
| 20:19.07 | the9a3eedi | hypa7ia: digests is nice if you dont want to be bombarded with email everyday. Though in my case I was stupid to enable it.. the mailing list is pretty inactive. |
| 20:19.18 | kblin | alanp: but of course alumni can already be on that list |
| 20:19.35 | summatusmentis | kblin: seriously |
| 20:20.09 | the9a3eedi | but anyways, so I enabled digests, and I want to reply to a thread. How do I do it? I can't just press "reply" to the digest email |
| 20:20.16 | sid0 | deletes all gsoc-discuss mail, watches >2700 items disappear from his index |
| 20:20.20 | kblin | summatusmentis: and of course all the "Stop asking 'anybody from xyz'" threads as well |
| 20:20.38 | kblin | the9a3eedi: well, you can |
| 20:20.51 | kblin | the9a3eedi: fix the subject to match the thread |
| 20:21.01 | summatusmentis | kblin: :-D it was to the point where i wouldn't even read digests |
| 20:21.17 | kblin | the9a3eedi: some mailers use that as second best guess |
| 20:21.38 | kblin | the9a3eedi: ideally, you'd set the in-reply-to: header, but I don't think gmail allows that |
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| 20:23.03 | the9a3eedi | kblin, I see.. hmm.. what if I wanted to reply to a reply? Do I put Re: Re: ? or just 1 Re: |
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| 20:23.34 | kblin | just one Re: should be fine |
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| 20:24.12 | kblin | no one wants to read subjects like "Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Interesting post" |
| 20:25.09 | summatusmentis | it's better than "fwd: fwd: fwd: fwd: fwd: Interesting Post" |
| 20:25.12 | the9a3eedi | but then how would the mailer know which email goes in which thread? |
| 20:25.18 | alanp | if we're accepted, how soon do we get a t-shirt ;-) |
| 20:25.27 | summatusmentis | alanp: at the end |
| 20:25.32 | alanp | awe |
| 20:25.34 | the9a3eedi | that's what I'm worried about |
| 20:25.41 | summatusmentis | alanp: well, you have to complete it |
| 20:25.51 | alanp | fair enough |
| 20:25.59 | summatusmentis | if you fail out, why would they give you a t-shirt? :-P |
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| 20:27.03 | kblin | the9a3eedi: it won't know. that's what the in-reply-to: header is for |
| 20:27.43 | kblin | but it'll usually guess right and sort it into the same thread, maybe missing the sub-thread |
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| 20:32.21 | ian_mac | alanp - are you not planning to do the work? |
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| 20:34.30 | the9a3eedi | maybe the mailing list checks what I quoted in my email and goes through the threads? but that sounds pretty inefficient.. O(n) time for every email |
| 20:34.43 | kblin | nah |
| 20:35.02 | kblin | threading only works correctly if you have correct in-reply-to headers |
| 20:35.21 | kblin | that's why you should never reply to an email if you want to start a new thread |
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| 20:50.04 | iitcool | !logs |
| 20:50.05 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 20:55.09 | [Evan] | @students How many of you have been contacted directly by your mentoring organizations? |
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| 20:56.37 | kblin | directly as in per email or directly as in comment? |
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| 20:57.14 | [Evan] | Yeah, directly as in email. |
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| 20:58.57 | kblin | I only did that if there was a problem of some sort |
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| 20:59.45 | [Evan] | So, have you posted favorable reviews on the proposals of your likely-accepted students? |
| 21:00.00 | Ivanovic | [Evan]: this depends on the orgs |
| 21:00.07 | Ivanovic | some orgs post *no* comments at all |
| 21:00.30 | Ivanovic | other orgs only post a comment when the proposal is clearly above a "spammy level" and at least some intent to get in was shown |
| 21:00.39 | Ivanovic | others only comment on the "favored apps" only |
| 21:00.45 | Ivanovic | and some orgs comment on all proposals |
| 21:00.55 | [Evan] | That makes me feel a little better; I have gotten very few reviews so far. |
| 21:01.10 | pavelo | got no reviews :/ |
| 21:01.17 | Ivanovic | though i'd guess that most orgs will provide you with direct feedback when asked (though no direct feedback if you are in!) |
| 21:01.32 | Catfish_Man | iirc with Adium we typically only commented when a) we were super-impressed and wanted to express it, or b) we needed clarification on something |
| 21:01.50 | [Evan] | @Ivanovic Seriously?! |
| 21:02.00 | Ivanovic | though right now all you can do is sit back, relax, get yourself a beer or a coke or some milk or whatever |
| 21:02.02 | Catfish_Man | [Evan]: yes, absolutely |
| 21:02.09 | Catfish_Man | most orgs want you to talk to them |
| 21:02.10 | kblin | sure |
| 21:02.19 | Catfish_Man | some even require it |
| 21:02.24 | Ivanovic | [Evan]: most orgs *expected* the students to directly talk with them |
| 21:02.34 | [Evan] | Uh-oh. |
| 21:02.40 | Ivanovic | and with this talk you directly get an idea if your proposal is usable or not |
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| 21:02.59 | kblin | actually I asked for more information on all proposals to my topic |
| 21:03.07 | kblin | even on the really good one |
| 21:03.07 | kblin | s |
| 21:03.10 | Ivanovic | (at wesnoth we clearly stated that a student not talking to us via irc at all has basically zero chance to get accepted) |
| 21:03.16 | MatthewWilkes | Speaking as an org admin, I had 5/7 accepted students speak to me personally over email or IRC |
| 21:03.21 | MatthewWilkes | None of the rejected ones did |
| 21:03.29 | lcuk | you can do more than get a beer, discuss the project with your contacts, if its expanding on an existing one, collaborate - an indepth discussion with another developer on the same project could help them right now no matter what the outcome |
| 21:03.52 | Catfish_Man | we certainly didn't require it with adium |
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| 21:03.54 | Ivanovic | lcuk: though this will not change the chance to get accepted this year |
| 21:03.56 | Catfish_Man | but it was always nice |
| 21:03.59 | Ivanovic | since the stuff is done by now |
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| 21:04.21 | Ivanovic | Catfish_Man: we required it simply because we want to have the SoC students as "real" developers for our project |
| 21:04.27 | lcuk | no Ivanovic it wont, but if you are doing it for more than money, the knowledge you might help just a little bit might take your mind off waiting |
| 21:04.28 | Ivanovic | and for those work is done via irc |
| 21:04.41 | Ivanovic | lcuk: sure |
| 21:04.49 | Catfish_Man | Ivanovic: aye. I think most of ours did end up getting on irc even though we didn't require it |
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| 21:04.58 | Ivanovic | lcuk: but those who were already active right from the start are likely to be selected anyway |
| 21:04.59 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 21:05.08 | lcuk | you are of course right :) |
| 21:05.09 | mib_rqgmzu6d | !logs |
| 21:05.09 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 21:05.31 | Ivanovic | Catfish_Man: we explicitly posted a reply "please join irc, we would like to get to know you" for every student that was not in our irc chan so far |
| 21:05.43 | Ivanovic | so they can't say they did not know our requirement |
| 21:05.44 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 21:05.48 | Catfish_Man | hehe |
| 21:05.49 | Catfish_Man | not a bad idea |
| 21:06.11 | MatthewWilkes | Ivanovic: Yeah, I like that idea. |
| 21:06.56 | MatthewWilkes | One of our questions was "how have you contributed to the project in the past, e.g. bug reports, fixes, add-on products, etc" (or words to that effect) |
| 21:07.00 | Catfish_Man | Ivanovic: we had a high enough good proposals to slots ratio that we could be a bit more sink-or-swim (i.e. not realizing that the developers of a *chat program* might want to *chat with you* was a bad sign ;) ) |
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| 21:07.03 | MatthewWilkes | Included a link to our bug days |
| 21:07.11 | MatthewWilkes | Amazing how many people didn't take the hint |
| 21:07.27 | Catfish_Man | also I shilled on #gsoc so much anyway that a lot of people noticed that way ;) |
| 21:07.56 | Ivanovic | MatthewWilkes: not bad |
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| 21:08.07 | Ivanovic | in general we asked to see some code from the students |
| 21:08.15 | Ivanovic | code in the language relevant for their project that is |
| 21:08.34 | Ivanovic | (and of course we highly prefered patches against our own source tree ;) ) |
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| 21:12.16 | Upthorn | Huh. Is gmail down for everyone, or is it just me? |
| 21:12.39 | Catfish_Man | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/gmail.com ? ;) |
| 21:12.40 | kblin | Upthorn: works for me |
| 21:12.43 | danderson | just you |
| 21:12.49 | Upthorn | no I mean |
| 21:12.53 | Upthorn | I'm getting server errors |
| 21:13.00 | danderson | it's just you |
| 21:13.01 | Upthorn | when I try to login |
| 21:13.06 | Upthorn | on both my accounts. |
| 21:13.07 | kblin | I just sent a mail via smtp/ssl |
| 21:13.21 | danderson | either your browser state is borky |
| 21:13.32 | danderson | or the servers hosting your gmail are having a hiccup |
| 21:13.32 | kblin | or gmail hates you |
| 21:13.39 | danderson | in which case it should clear up reasonably soon |
| 21:13.41 | Upthorn | gmail notifier isn't connecting either |
| 21:14.19 | devilsadvocate | Catfish_Man, sweet |
| 21:14.21 | danderson | in that case, bide your time, it's probably some minor borkage on the server side. Should clear up by itself in a bit. |
| 21:15.15 | Upthorn | but it has already been five minutes! >_> |
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| 21:16.58 | kblin | !when |
| 21:16.59 | socinfo | "when" is later |
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| 21:17.15 | danderson | kids these days |
| 21:17.18 | danderson | no patience |
| 21:17.47 | danderson | go for a walk outside, listen to the birds, ponder life sitting on a bridge over a quiet river |
| 21:17.51 | danderson | :P |
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| 21:18.14 | danderson | seriously though, not much that can be done. If it persists, then you'll need to file a support request |
| 21:18.29 | Upthorn | mainly I just don't want gmail notifiers bright blue ! to stop staring at me like that |
| 21:18.34 | Upthorn | err |
| 21:18.37 | Upthorn | I just want |
| 21:18.40 | johndbritton | lh: http://www.johndbritton.com/post/2009/april/16/open_everything_nyc_tentative_schedule |
| 21:18.40 | danderson | shut it down? :) |
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| 21:22.01 | omniter | Upthorn, i know how you feel |
| 21:22.11 | omniter | i like the nice dark blue... |
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| 21:25.16 | Upthorn | I'm also concerned about the possibility that mail to my accounts might be lost during this period |
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| 21:25.47 | kblin | Upthorn: I very much doubt that |
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| 21:28.11 | freebsd-brooks | Upthorn: unless it was down for days, only mail from people with incompetely run systems or spam would be lost |
| 21:28.36 | Upthorn | ok |
| 21:29.49 | kblin | Upthorn: right :) |
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| 21:30.08 | kblin | freebsd-brooks: I also doubt that all google MX boxes are down |
| 21:30.28 | MatthewWilkes | I heard of something called "Greylisting" a couple of weeks ago - very strange idea |
| 21:30.32 | kblin | freebsd-brooks: probably just the ones Upthorn is trying to use |
| 21:30.50 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: especially as it's not working too well anymore |
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| 21:31.09 | Upthorn | okay it seems to be back |
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| 21:31.29 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: Most pain online seems to be due to backwards compatibility. I want a new HTML and a new email |
| 21:31.59 | sanooj | can someone check if I'm on some sort of black list where no mail to the students mailing list is forwarded to me? |
| 21:32.36 | Ivanovic | have you maybe set some preference like "no mail" in google groups? |
| 21:32.46 | sanooj | I have not. I have checked for that. |
| 21:33.01 | Ivanovic | maybe there *were* no mails over the last days? |
| 21:33.07 | sanooj | I'm also still subscribed and can read the postings via the web interface. |
| 21:33.10 | Ivanovic | that is: in the webinterface you should be able to read anything |
| 21:33.32 | sanooj | Ivanovic: this state of no email forwarding has lasted since last October. |
| 21:33.35 | Ivanovic | maybe some auto spamfilter on your email account? |
| 21:33.54 | Ivanovic | okay, there was at least one mail to this list since october, i am sure about this... |
| 21:36.23 | sanooj | I've mentioned it to the google open source group people a couple of times since then but haven't had any response. |
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| 21:37.51 | Ivanovic | lh: so whom should sanooj directly ping about this? |
| 21:38.03 | Ivanovic | is it a google groups issue so their support team is to be asked? |
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| 21:38.21 | sanooj | I suspect I'm on a black list because for one day email to me was bouncing back, and lots of mailing lists picked up on that. With the exception of the gsoc-students mailing list I've managed to get email forwarding working again. |
| 21:39.00 | Fou_Fou | could they possibly be mistaken for spam? |
| 21:39.35 | sanooj | not really. it's been a very quiet list since gsoc ended. |
| 21:39.46 | sanooj | just a few messages here and there. |
| 21:40.04 | Fou_Fou | well, all I'm saying, is that if you haven't been getting them, there is always a possibility they're ending up in your spam box |
| 21:40.18 | sanooj | yes, I see. I did check for that. |
| 21:40.35 | Fou_Fou | Ok |
| 21:40.36 | kblin | man, what's up with IRC today? |
| 21:41.26 | kblin | I've had to kick more people today than the last few months |
| 21:42.45 | sanooj | where? |
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| 21:43.27 | kblin | one here for botabuse, and one on #winehq for being an ass |
| 21:43.51 | Ivanovic | kblin: might be related to the weather... |
| 21:43.53 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 21:44.19 | kblin | 23:37 <@kblin> I don't know what's up with IRC today |
| 21:44.19 | kblin | 23:38 <@kblin> got to be the weather |
| 21:44.20 | Ivanovic | sanooj: i don't think the google open source team can really help you, it *might* be an issue with google groups |
| 21:44.30 | kblin | Ivanovic: my thoughts exactly |
| 21:44.37 | Catfish_Man | np |
| 21:44.39 | Catfish_Man | er, wrong window |
| 21:44.42 | Ivanovic | so you should ask those guys for some support |
| 21:45.13 | Ivanovic | kblin: at least over here over the last hours some *real* rain started (after several days completely without and nice, lovely spring weather with >20°C) |
| 21:45.17 | sanooj | alright, thanks. /me goes hunt down a support address |
| 21:45.29 | Ivanovic | good luck, you will probably need it |
| 21:45.30 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 21:45.50 | sanooj | you inspire confidence so well! |
| 21:46.01 | kblin | yeah, same here |
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| 21:54.47 | sanooj | the groups support people aren't very open to the idea of contact are they? |
| 21:56.31 | Ivanovic | they might be geeks |
| 21:56.33 | sanooj | the closest support request type they had was "My account is flagged as an autoresponder." I don't actually see that in my account login page, but tried it anyway. |
| 21:56.39 | Ivanovic | and afraid of contact to living people |
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| 21:56.57 | Ivanovic | (as well as of contact to sunshine and fresh air) |
| 21:57.03 | Ivanovic | like probably many of us |
| 21:57.25 | Ivanovic | time for me to head off to bed before the google groups support group tracks me down... |
| 21:57.33 | sanooj | hehe |
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| 21:58.05 | Ivanovic | n8 |
| 21:58.42 | sanooj | hopes it'll be open for the opening on the 20th. the initial flood would be nice to witness. :) |
| 21:59.15 | sanooj | night Ivanovic. thanks for your help. |
| 22:01.05 | vedlith | network mass events are always nice to witness, neverending battle of quantity of users versus quality of service ;D |
| 22:01.46 | Upthorn | and IRC networks aren't infinitely scalable |
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| 22:09.00 | skbohra | !timeline |
| 22:09.01 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 22:09.07 | skbohra | thanks |
| 22:10.10 | Raim | saying thanks to a bot is probably more polite than expected :D |
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| 22:10.36 | sanooj | at least it won't get you kicked for botabuse. ;) |
| 22:11.29 | skbohra | :D |
| 22:11.33 | Upthorn | !thanks |
| 22:11.33 | socinfo | "thanks" is You are welcome! My digital purpose is to serve. |
| 22:11.56 | Upthorn | Perhaps it is not actually more polite than expected |
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| 22:12.07 | skbohra | after all he helped me |
| 22:12.24 | skbohra | or she ;) |
| 22:13.42 | Upthorn | sie perhaps |
| 22:14.48 | spectie | they |
| 22:14.49 | spectie | :) |
| 22:15.05 | spectie | furthers his 'singular they' agenda |
| 22:15.30 | Upthorn | actually that's collective they :P |
| 22:16.10 | Upthorn | since you still have to pluralize the verbs where applicable. |
| 22:16.16 | Leftmost | spectie, you'll ruin English that way! |
| 22:16.34 | Leftmost | Upthorn, it's still singular. It just so happens that it's brought in plural verb paradigms. |
| 22:16.35 | spectie | no way |
| 22:16.59 | Upthorn | Leftmost: don't Englishlecture spectie like that. |
| 22:17.10 | spectie | he can english lecture me as much as he likes! |
| 22:17.14 | spectie | he's the better linguist :| |
| 22:17.16 | Upthorn | prescriptivism deads languages. |
| 22:17.16 | spectie | i'm just a hack |
| 22:17.40 | Leftmost | He knows I'm kidding. I didn't notice this wasn't a linguistics-related channel, where I'm known for mocking prescriptivism.:) |
| 22:17.42 | Upthorn | wait, no. English doesn't support verbing adjectives yet. |
| 22:17.55 | Upthorn | prescriptivism deaths languages. |
| 22:18.13 | MatthewWilkes | Leftmost: Your ideas intrigue me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. |
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| 22:18.29 | Leftmost | MatthewWilkes, can I charge modest fees for subscription? |
| 22:18.35 | spectie | lol! |
| 22:19.39 | MatthewWilkes | Leftmost: Indeed, although if you did I'd expect a high standard of publication. |
| 22:20.01 | MatthewWilkes | (Trying not to talk about can vs. may given the pedantry) |
| 22:20.33 | Leftmost | So I'd not only have to do work, I'd have to do good work? Geez. |
| 22:20.48 | Upthorn | that has me wanting to invent a third word to confuse with "can" and "may" |
| 22:20.53 | spectie | Geez or Ge'ez ? |
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| 22:21.24 | spectie | anyway |
| 22:21.25 | spectie | nn |
| 22:21.35 | Leftmost | Night, spect. |
| 22:21.42 | MatthewWilkes | hwyl! |
| 22:22.08 | Upthorn | that Ge'ez question reminds me of the time I googled for "Chtulhu ftaghn" (minus quotes) |
| 22:22.18 | Upthorn | and google corrected my spelling on both words. |
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| 22:23.23 | Upthorn | Did you mean: cthulhu fhtagn Top 2 results shown |
| 22:24.32 | Upthorn | I mean, I understand that it makes spelling suggestions based on what it encounters in "the wild", but I still find it amusing that it offers spelling corrections for lovecraftian unpronouncable nonsense. |
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| 22:26.26 | MatthewWilkes | http://www.flickr.com/photos/amjamjazz/3406353191/ <-- genius! |
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| 22:46.06 | [Evan] | I just heard from one of my orgs that Google will be making the final student selection for all of the orgs. Does this mean that I can no longer influence whether I'll be accepted? |
| 22:46.50 | ojwb | you don't have a lot of influence at this point |
| 22:47.26 | ojwb | but e.g. if you aren't currently selected and another student who is has to drop out then the org can either select another student or give the slot away |
| 22:47.28 | summatusmentis | unless you can wow your orgs |
| 22:47.40 | summatusmentis | still |
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| 22:47.44 | [Evan] | Is this from mentors or students? |
| 22:47.54 | ojwb | am I a mentor? yes |
| 22:48.04 | antarus | huh? |
| 22:48.06 | Catfish_Man | points to the "allocations final" bit in the topic |
| 22:48.13 | antarus | Google typically doesn't haev any influence on who gets selected |
| 22:48.14 | Catfish_Man | not much'll be changing. Not nothing, but not much |
| 22:48.21 | ojwb | we're strongly discouraged from making arbitrary changes at this point |
| 22:48.43 | ojwb | but for example, a student dropped out very recently for medical reasons |
| 22:49.06 | [Evan] | If google isn't selecting the final students, and all of the orgs have picked their favorites, what are these last five days for? |
| 22:49.18 | ojwb | for sorting out any remaining issues |
| 22:49.36 | Catfish_Man | and some administrative and webapp coding work apparently |
| 22:49.38 | ojwb | duplicate resolution can be an ordeal, though this year it was very simple |
| 22:49.49 | [Evan] | Yeah, I read the transcript. |
| 22:49.57 | [Evan] | Thanks Catfish_Man! |
| 22:50.35 | ojwb | Google don't make the selections (except in the case of a student accepted by multiple orgs who can't agree which should have them) |
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| 22:50.56 | ojwb | but they really prefer that we sort it out ourselves |
| 22:51.12 | [Evan] | Have there ever been any big fights over a talented student? |
| 22:51.26 | summatusmentis | I'm sure there have been |
| 22:51.28 | Catfish_Man | KillerX was accepted to... what 11 orgs or something? |
| 22:51.41 | ojwb | it was 3 last time I heard the story... |
| 22:51.49 | ojwb | so yes, 11 in binary |
| 22:51.50 | summatusmentis | last I heard it was 400 |
| 22:51.50 | [Evan] | Yikes! Let's hope he's graduated by now... |
| 22:52.20 | Catfish_Man | ojwb: three seems low for holding the record |
| 22:52.45 | summatusmentis | I agree |
| 22:53.29 | ojwb | oh, 4 in the logs |
| 22:53.34 | ojwb | according to kblin |
| 22:53.47 | Catfish_Man | k |
| 22:53.54 | Catfish_Man | crap, gotta run |
| 22:53.55 | ojwb | "4, I think" |
| 22:55.02 | [Evan] | Whew, this year, he's mentoring for Mozilla, Gentoo, and somebody else. I'm glad I don't have to compete with that! |
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| 23:01.49 | ishan | hi gofishus |
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