| 00:01.07 | anothy_x | wait, i think i know this: after the official slot announcement, tomorrow. |
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| 00:02.05 | Polarina_ | I believe it |
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| 00:24.21 | rcornet | hi, anyone alive ? |
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| 00:24.57 | cschmidt | ye :D |
| 00:25.29 | rcornet | I't seems that proposal edition is closed a while ago. But shortly before the deadline the site said that we could edit our proposal later |
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| 00:26.10 | rcornet | And I find here that the edition was close shortly after the deadline.http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=526 |
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| 00:26.39 | dberkholz | you will have to comment on your proposal instead, or link to an updated version elsewhere |
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| 00:28.44 | rcornet | what bugs me is that the site sayed that we could edit after the deadline, as the page was updated, it does not say that anymore, but... |
| 00:28.54 | rcornet | Well, thanks for your help |
| 00:29.42 | omniter | hey guys: most. awesome. gift. ever. http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/rc/b527/ |
| 00:29.45 | omniter | :D |
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| 02:22.40 | bergwolf | !slots |
| 02:22.40 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
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| 02:29.24 | hypa7ia | the faq never said that the proposal would be editable after the deadline |
| 02:29.26 | hypa7ia | wtf |
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| 02:30.07 | jawnsy | hypa7ia: it's not, is it? I think only the abstract is changable |
| 02:30.20 | summatusmentis | no, the melange team made it possible |
| 02:30.28 | Ryan52 | hypa7ia: maybe it's not a frequently asked question then.. :) |
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| 02:33.01 | hypa7ia | was just reading backscroll |
| 02:33.07 | hypa7ia | sounds like another excuse to me :/ |
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| 02:49.38 | nsquare | proposals are editable? |
| 02:50.23 | nsquare | i cant :P |
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| 02:58.53 | hypa7ia | not that i've seen |
| 02:59.12 | summatusmentis | mentors have to flag the proposal to allow edits, iirc |
| 03:00.20 | dmitrig01|afk | summatusmentis: i'm an org admin and i cna't |
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| 03:00.48 | anothy_x | i don't believe that got turned on. |
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| 03:01.39 | flyankur | anothy_x: what ? are you able to edit your proposal ? |
| 03:03.07 | summatusmentis | I can edit my proposal |
| 03:03.15 | summatusmentis | oh wait, no |
| 03:03.22 | summatusmentis | "this page is inactive at this time" |
| 03:03.39 | anothy_x | i have no proposal, but i can't flag ones i'm a mentor or admin for. |
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| 03:09.04 | summatusmentis | SRabbelier said they were working to have that option available |
| 03:09.50 | nsquare | but why should proposal be editable. I mean you can add anything you want as comments |
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| 03:11.03 | summatusmentis | *headdesk* |
| 03:11.05 | summatusmentis | I'm stupid |
| 03:11.13 | Landon | yes |
| 03:11.15 | Landon | I concur |
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| 03:11.29 | summatusmentis | proposals are supposed to be able to be made public by mentors |
| 03:11.30 | summatusmentis | not editable |
| 03:11.31 | Landon | allisterb: do you concur? |
| 03:11.46 | summatusmentis | goes and flogs himself in the corner |
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| 03:17.59 | thebolt | hi |
| 03:22.00 | allisterb | Landon huh |
| 03:22.07 | allisterb | ? |
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| 03:25.48 | Landon | allisterb: :P |
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| 04:17.22 | apaliwal | If someone has commented upon my proposal asking for information about something then should I reply as comment thereitself ?? |
| 04:17.32 | apaliwal | or is there any other possibility?? |
| 04:17.58 | summatusmentis | I would reply in comment |
| 04:18.09 | Landon | me too |
| 04:18.13 | Landon | I keep hearing editing is locked |
| 04:18.16 | Landon | so you have to reply somehoiw |
| 04:18.17 | summatusmentis | it is |
| 04:18.17 | Landon | :p |
| 04:18.22 | apaliwal | yah |
| 04:18.29 | apaliwal | thnx guys |
| 04:18.35 | summatusmentis | also, replying in comment gives others the ability to see it |
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| 04:18.39 | summatusmentis | I think |
| 04:18.52 | summatusmentis | has not had any feedback posted to his app |
| 04:18.54 | Landon | it pings them :) |
| 04:19.00 | Landon | I've had a few comments |
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| 04:20.19 | summatusmentis | ugh, I'm stupid |
| 04:20.45 | summatusmentis | finding the lowest value in an array is not the same as sorting it *headdesk* |
| 04:21.26 | Catfish_Man | summatusmentis: it is step 1 of insertion sort though ;) |
| 04:21.35 | summatusmentis | Catfish_Man: haha |
| 04:23.29 | Landon | summatusmentis: wow :P |
| 04:23.49 | summatusmentis | Landon: I get too bogged down in details, and I don't pay enough attention |
| 04:23.52 | summatusmentis | don't judge me |
| 04:24.06 | Landon | heh |
| 04:24.09 | Landon | well |
| 04:24.25 | Landon | I can't even remember what names go with what sort algos :P |
| 04:24.44 | Landon | ask me to do one off of the top of my head and you'll probably get a modified bubble sort |
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| 04:25.24 | summatusmentis | yeah, me too |
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| 04:25.42 | Landon | google saves my life |
| 04:25.43 | summatusmentis | I feel like we rushed through sort algos in my data structures class |
| 04:26.17 | Catfish_Man | bubblesort feels unnatural to me |
| 04:26.21 | Landon | we've talked more about sorting algorithms in discrete math |
| 04:26.24 | Landon | than in data structures |
| 04:26.24 | Landon | :) |
| 04:26.28 | Catfish_Man | selection sort seems like the "obvious intuitive dumb" one |
| 04:26.38 | Landon | but maybe we'll hit them in this next month? |
| 04:27.06 | summatusmentis | see, I'm taking discrete math now, it's possible that's when we'll get to sort algos :) |
| 04:27.29 | Landon | we didn't really talk about htem indepth |
| 04:27.40 | Landon | just a glancing, here's a trivial example of what you'll learn in this course |
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| 04:29.40 | bet` | !next |
| 04:29.40 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 04:31.06 | cjhopman_ | and when he said it is the first step of insertion sort... he meant selection sort |
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| 04:31.39 | Catfish_Man | cjhopman_: yeah. I actually said it correctly the second time without even noticing I'd typed a different word, heh |
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| 04:34.59 | cjhopman_ | we did all the basic sorting algos in both data structures and discrete math |
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| 05:57.51 | the9a3eedi | !next |
| 05:57.51 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 05:58.01 | nixbox__ | lol |
| 05:58.40 | cjhopman_ | if i go through the logs... i wonder how many times i will see you doing that the9a3eedi... |
| 05:58.55 | summatusmentis | :-D |
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| 06:00.02 | nixbox__ | does anyone know how many slots have been allocated to ns-3 project? |
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| 06:01.23 | cjhopman_ | 78 |
| 06:01.32 | cjhopman_ | 102 |
| 06:02.17 | cjhopman_ | ok, i don't actually know. But, as I understand it, no slots have been allocated yet |
| 06:02.51 | omniter | there have been preliminary allocations. but they are not announced, and are definitely not final. |
| 06:03.00 | cjhopman_ | there has been a preliminary allocation of slots that only mentors should know |
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| 06:03.29 | the9a3eedi | cjhopman_, actually, this is the first or second time I did that :P just wanted to make sure on the date |
| 06:03.36 | killerfox|away | !help |
| 06:03.36 | socinfo | "help" is see !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki |
| 06:03.45 | killerfox|away | !advice |
| 06:03.45 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 06:05.29 | summatusmentis | nixbox__: you're welcome to ask your org, they may not tell you |
| 06:05.42 | summatusmentis | more likely than not, they won't |
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| 06:22.42 | mordante | I think ns-3 got 42 slots :-P |
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| 06:28.55 | [_SAMWISE_] | What were the last year statistics ? Who all got the maximum slots ? |
| 06:30.28 | r0bby | omniter: good call. |
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| 06:31.25 | scorche | the thing about slots, is umbrella orgs typically get more...each project under an umbrella org may be very constrained for slots, of course...more so than non-umbrella orgs, so it isnt quite apt to say "oh...XYZ has a lot of slots, i should apply for something underneath them for best chances" |
| 06:31.58 | kblin | [_SAMWISE_]: one of the big umbrella orgs, I guess |
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| 06:32.19 | kblin | but yeah, what scorche said |
| 06:32.48 | kblin | KDE usually gets a lot of slots, but each sub-project only ends up with one or two of them |
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| 06:33.15 | kblin | or none at all, I guess |
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| 06:34.04 | thiago_home | KDE had the most last year: 47/48 |
| 06:34.09 | thiago_home | we got one slot donated |
| 06:34.26 | saiyr | sounds like they're going to get the most this year too :p |
| 06:34.29 | thiago_home | but kblin is right: most sub-projects get only few |
| 06:34.52 | thiago_home | last year, we assigned koffice and amarok 5 slots, kopete had 2, etc. |
| 06:34.57 | thiago_home | I don't remember the stats for the rest |
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| 06:35.02 | [_SAMWISE_] | I applied at OpenAFS |
| 06:36.04 | thiago_home | this year the admins did a better job than I did last year: |
| 06:36.31 | thiago_home | they themselves split all applications in sub-projects and asked the sub-projects to pick the Yes, Definitely and the Maybes |
| 06:37.12 | [_SAMWISE_] | I think slot allocation also depends on the quality of applications and not just blindly giving more slots to the umbrella ones, does it ? |
| 06:37.39 | thiago_home | Google doesn't read the applications |
| 06:37.55 | thiago_home | so Google doesn't know the quality: they trust orgs to decide what's good and what isn't |
| 06:38.38 | thiago_home | however, Google does look at past performance, behaviour, popularity, total number of application, etc. to decide whether to allocate more this year or less |
| 06:38.45 | thiago_home | LH explained once in an email |
| 06:38.58 | [_SAMWISE_] | I was just going to ask that |
| 06:40.27 | thiago_home | if you're a small, never-heard-of before org and this is your first year, you're not going to get many slots |
| 06:40.54 | thiago_home | but if you stick around, even if you're not well-known outside, Google will probably entrust you with more |
| 06:41.20 | thiago_home | in any case, slot allocation is biased towards small orgs and that's a good thing |
| 06:41.55 | thebolt | hi kblin |
| 06:42.30 | kblin | morning thebolt |
| 06:42.36 | summatusmentis | specifically, OpenAFS was awarded 6 slots last year |
| 06:42.55 | [_SAMWISE_] | yeah, i heard |
| 06:43.11 | [_SAMWISE_] | What do u think are the chances this time ? |
| 06:43.34 | summatusmentis | I don't know, less slots are being allocated |
| 06:43.38 | summatusmentis | overall |
| 06:43.42 | thiago_home | yes |
| 06:43.57 | kblin | [_SAMWISE_]: depends on how they were doing last year as well |
| 06:43.57 | [_SAMWISE_] | :( |
| 06:44.03 | summatusmentis | I also think OpenAFS got significantly fewer applications than last year |
| 06:44.12 | summatusmentis | but then again, so did most other orgs |
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| 06:44.49 | kblin | summatusmentis: there's also less orgs in the program |
| 06:44.58 | summatusmentis | yes, also true |
| 06:45.10 | summatusmentis | what I don't know is proportions |
| 06:45.35 | kblin | well, it was around 175 orgs last year and it's about 150 orgs this year |
| 06:45.58 | saiyr | there were less apps this year too weren't there? |
| 06:45.59 | kblin | and we're down from 1125 slots last year to 1000 slots this year (or so much the theory) |
| 06:46.40 | summatusmentis | and roughly ~5000 from ~7000 students applied? |
| 06:46.47 | optimus25 | any idea hw much slots GenMaPP got ? |
| 06:46.48 | optimus25 | any idea hw much slots GenMaPP got ? |
| 06:46.53 | thiago_home | optimus25: no |
| 06:46.57 | scorche | which actually works out to an average of more slots per org this year |
| 06:46.58 | thiago_home | optimus25: but why do you want to know? |
| 06:47.11 | kblin | saiyr: well, yeah, but it seems the main thing that changed is the "applications per student" count |
| 06:47.11 | optimus25 | coz i applied for it |
| 06:47.13 | optimus25 | :P |
| 06:47.22 | optimus25 | yup |
| 06:47.25 | optimus25 | 5900 apps |
| 06:47.31 | thiago_home | optimus25: I meant: how is the number going to be useful for you? |
| 06:47.33 | optimus25 | from 3500 students |
| 06:47.43 | optimus25 | last year they had 9 slots |
| 06:47.52 | scorche | optimus25: and what would number of slots give you?...you dont know exactly where you rank do you?....that makes knowing the number of slots a bit worthless |
| 06:47.53 | optimus25 | so just for the sake of curiosity |
| 06:48.02 | optimus25 | actually |
| 06:48.12 | optimus25 | i am the only applicant for my project idea |
| 06:48.20 | optimus25 | so it does help to knw |
| 06:48.22 | thiago_home | optimus25: use the last year's number to satisfy your curiosity |
| 06:48.25 | thiago_home | no... it doesn't |
| 06:48.28 | kblin | optimus25: not really |
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| 06:48.33 | thiago_home | do you know how many different applications there were? |
| 06:48.38 | thiago_home | different ideas |
| 06:48.50 | optimus25 | around 40 |
| 06:49.04 | summatusmentis | goes to bed |
| 06:49.06 | thiago_home | so, if your idea was ranked 40th, with 9 slots you're out |
| 06:49.31 | thiago_home | if your idea was ranked 1st, with 2 slots (the minimum allocation), you're in |
| 06:49.32 | optimus25 | i guess you r right |
| 06:49.35 | optimus25 | its pointless |
| 06:50.14 | optimus25 | can you pleas |
| 06:50.21 | optimus25 | tell me about this |
| 06:50.28 | optimus25 | idea ranking thing? |
| 06:50.34 | optimus25 | do they rank the ideas also? |
| 06:50.52 | kblin | optimus25: applications are ranked |
| 06:50.54 | thiago_home | I don't know. You should ask the mentors for GenMaPP |
| 06:51.02 | thiago_home | maybe they do |
| 06:51.12 | kblin | optimus25: the exact procedure is up to the individual org |
| 06:51.24 | optimus25 | btw |
| 06:51.31 | optimus25 | i applied for 5 projects |
| 06:51.43 | optimus25 | and havent heard from 3 of them... |
| 06:52.02 | optimus25 | so does it means.... that i m out frm those 3? |
| 06:52.12 | thiago_home | not really... in KDE we're not replying to students |
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| 06:52.18 | kblin | ask the org |
| 06:52.37 | mordante | being the only one for a project doesn't help per se, it the organisation thinks your application is weak you probably won't get a slot |
| 06:52.48 | kblin | thiago_home: you're not asking extra stuff? |
| 06:53.02 | thiago_home | kblin: with 240 applications? No. |
| 06:53.08 | optimus25 | no they are pretty excited abt the project too :) |
| 06:53.20 | kblin | thiago_home: good point, I guess |
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| 06:53.50 | optimus25 | and you guys have to decide the final allocations by 15th..isnt it? |
| 06:53.50 | thiago_home | maybe some mentors did ask questions, but that would be the exception, not the rule |
| 06:54.10 | kblin | optimus25: I'm exited about most of the applications I got, but that doesn't mean I have the time or slots to mentor all of them |
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| 06:54.28 | optimus25 | >and you guys have to decide the final allocations by 15th..isnt it? |
| 06:54.35 | kblin | optimus25: nope |
| 06:54.45 | optimus25 | then? |
| 06:54.51 | kblin | optimus25: conflict resolution is on the 15th |
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| 06:55.11 | optimus25 | but there mustbe a deadline |
| 06:55.14 | kblin | slot allocations are final when they're announced |
| 06:55.25 | optimus25 | to submit the allocations to google ...right? |
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| 06:55.37 | thiago_home | it's already in google's DB |
| 06:55.47 | kblin | optimus25: er, that's why we rank the applications |
| 06:56.16 | kblin | optimus25: we rank them in melange, and google gives us the top N slots, where N is the number we got allocated |
| 06:56.24 | optimus25 | oh..k |
| 06:56.46 | kblin | I'm pretty sure all of this is in the FAQ, btw :) |
| 06:56.52 | mordante | optimus25, just curious did you try to get some patches in for the projects you applied to? |
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| 06:57.02 | optimus25 | i made a presentation |
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| 06:57.16 | optimus25 | for the project |
| 06:57.47 | optimus25 | giving the idea of the interface |
| 06:57.49 | optimus25 | i intend to design |
| 06:58.24 | [_SAMWISE_] | optimus25: Where r u from ? |
| 06:58.32 | optimus25 | India |
| 06:58.37 | optimus25 | you? |
| 06:58.46 | [_SAMWISE_] | Brothers |
| 06:59.18 | optimus25 | where in India? |
| 06:59.23 | optimus25 | which univ? |
| 06:59.27 | [_SAMWISE_] | IIIT Hyderabad |
| 06:59.41 | [_SAMWISE_] | You ? |
| 06:59.53 | optimus25 | BITS Goa...first year undergrad |
| 07:00.12 | optimus25 | BITS Pilani, Goa campus...i shd say |
| 07:00.16 | optimus25 | :D |
| 07:00.20 | [_SAMWISE_] | Yeah, I know that |
| 07:02.02 | [_SAMWISE_] | I am in my 3rd Year BTech CSE... so that makes you my younger brother :P |
| 07:02.03 | mordante | optimus25, good for us we also want students to apply patches or show a prototype of their project |
| 07:02.20 | mordante | students who do that make a better chance as those who don't |
| 07:02.23 | optimus25 | :) |
| 07:02.38 | optimus25 | mordante: yeah |
| 07:02.53 | optimus25 | mordante: which org? |
| 07:03.04 | mordante | wesnoth |
| 07:03.38 | kblin | mordante: I guess that really depends on the barrier of entry for your codebase |
| 07:04.08 | mordante | kblin, of course but we have some easy coding tasks for students to work on |
| 07:04.08 | kblin | mordante: unless you allow spelling fixes in comments ;) |
| 07:04.21 | kblin | mordante: ah, fair enough then, I guess |
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| 07:04.43 | mordante | kblin, we also allow them but we also want some non trivial patches |
| 07:04.52 | optimus25 | right |
| 07:05.00 | optimus25 | i made some patched for moodle |
| 07:05.06 | optimus25 | it hardly took 2 hours |
| 07:05.20 | optimus25 | n that was the first time i was working with moodle |
| 07:05.39 | optimus25 | *patches |
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| 07:06.17 | kblin | mordante: if you can point people at a piece of code that needs work, that's fine |
| 07:06.35 | kblin | mordante: pretty much voids my concerns |
| 07:06.59 | mordante | kblin, we have, even increased the list for gsoc and we also point them at bugs |
| 07:08.06 | mordante | in general in Wesnoth you need two non-trivial patches to become a developer |
| 07:08.12 | kblin | mordante: I'm just thinking from the perspective of my little pet project, I don't have a list of small problems, because I still have a list of big problems :) |
| 07:08.13 | mordante | so we have a pretty low barrier |
| 07:08.44 | kblin | were big problems usually translate to "missing features" |
| 07:08.44 | mordante | kblin, :-( |
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| 07:09.13 | mordante | I assume you're talking about Wombat |
| 07:09.19 | kblin | yeah |
| 07:09.28 | kblin | GSoC will help there |
| 07:09.49 | mordante | cool :-) |
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| 07:10.21 | kblin | just getting into GSoC with it prompted me to spend some more time on it |
| 07:11.47 | thebolt | :) |
| 07:12.15 | thebolt | kblin: nothing missing in wombat, its perfect in all ways ;) |
| 07:12.36 | optimus25 | hey i applied for wombat too :) |
| 07:13.04 | mordante | thebolt, do you use Wombat? |
| 07:13.25 | kblin | thebolt: I've got a list ;) |
| 07:13.31 | thebolt | mordante: not really, but i applied to it as a student ;) |
| 07:14.00 | optimus25 | any mentor for Wombat here? |
| 07:14.09 | kblin | waves |
| 07:14.25 | thebolt | kblin - mentor and sole author right now, right? ;) |
| 07:14.46 | mordante | guess I'll keep an eye at Wombat, still want to look at it for Wesnoth |
| 07:15.00 | kblin | thebolt: well, I got help on the web design side |
| 07:15.15 | kblin | thebolt: it was way less shiny before |
| 07:15.20 | thebolt | okay :) |
| 07:16.03 | kblin | so I shamed a web designer into fixing it for me :) |
| 07:16.25 | kblin | he even got someone else to do that fancy logo :) |
| 07:16.49 | thebolt | hehe |
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| 07:17.06 | Landon | kblin: "Oh my god that is the worst thing I've ever seen, please let me fix it" |
| 07:17.09 | Landon | ? |
| 07:17.31 | Landon | "Think of the children!" |
| 07:17.48 | kblin | Landon: well, if it was _that_ bad, he didn't tell me |
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| 07:18.41 | kblin | Landon: but it was "Hi Kai, I know you haven't seen me in years, but I really like Wombat, care if I pimp the looks a bit?" |
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| 07:22.59 | firesoul | Any Idea on how many slots did worldforge got |
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| 07:23.08 | kblin | firesoul: yes |
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| 07:23.18 | firesoul | kblin, ? |
| 07:23.24 | firesoul | past statistics ? |
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| 07:23.50 | kblin | firesoul: however, we're not talking about this in public before they're official |
| 07:24.16 | firesoul | ok kblin how about any rough estimate.. or any past statistics ? |
| 07:25.00 | thebolt | rought estimate, chekc last year |
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| 07:25.56 | firesoul | k thebolt |
| 07:26.13 | kblin | firesoul: we got less slots than KDE ;) |
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| 07:26.48 | firesoul | kblin, are you a developer from worldforge ? |
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| 07:29.19 | kblin | firesoul: yes |
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| 07:29.39 | firesoul | cool kblin |
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| 07:32.15 | kblin | firesoul: I'm just working on Wombat myself, though, not on Ember or Cyphesis |
| 07:33.01 | kblin | firesoul: though I have some patches in cyphesis |
| 07:35.33 | firesoul | I have seen the information in the launchpad to the respective project ideas..I get to see some priority over there , can i pleae know what is that for ? |
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| 07:36.48 | firesoul | kblin ? |
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| 07:38.28 | kblin | firesoul: hm? I don't quite get what you're asking :) |
| 07:40.41 | firesoul | kblin, in the https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ember/+spec/ember-breakpad on the left i get to see a priority, does number of slots effect the project ideas depending on this priority |
| 07:41.54 | firesoul | sorry , that would be to the right of the page, not left :) |
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| 07:42.34 | smtms | his left ;-) |
| 07:43.27 | kblin | firesoul: you'd have to ask erik |
| 07:43.57 | kblin | firesoul: but I guess if he wasn't interested, he wouldn't put it up as gsoc project |
| 07:44.04 | firesoul | yes kblin , but i dont get to see him the #lounge of worldforge.org |
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| 07:47.26 | firesoul | any ways thanks kblin |
| 07:48.27 | kblin | firesoul: he should be back today or tomorrow, or you could just send him an email |
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| 07:55.00 | kblin | anyway, time to get my day started. see you around folks |
| 07:56.19 | thebolt | :) |
| 07:56.21 | thebolt | enjoy |
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| 07:56.40 | firesoul | see you kblin |
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| 08:53.48 | Ivanovic | lh: could you please ping me when you are around again? |
| 08:54.01 | Ivanovic | (something that is not handable by others, sorry....) |
| 08:55.56 | smtms | not handable by e-mail too I guess |
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| 08:57.47 | Ivanovic | smtms: handable by email it most likely is, though i prefer irc |
| 08:58.25 | Landon | ok ok, before we get too far |
| 08:58.27 | Landon | is handable a word? |
| 08:58.52 | spectie | handleable |
| 08:58.54 | spectie | it would be |
| 08:59.09 | spectie | 'handable' would be like 'handy' |
| 08:59.20 | spectie | i guess |
| 08:59.33 | Landon | is up way too late :( |
| 08:59.43 | Landon | the brain, it goes pzoot when it gets fed invalid input |
| 08:59.45 | Ivanovic | is up way too early |
| 08:59.57 | smtms | Landon, it's a word in international English, which is the union of British English, American English, Chinese English, Indian English and so on |
| 09:00.01 | spectie | is up at an agreeable hour, but without having breakfasted |
| 09:00.18 | spectie | smtms, and from which of those fine variants does it hail ? |
| 09:00.26 | Landon | haha |
| 09:00.32 | Landon | I agree with urbandictionarys definition |
| 09:00.54 | spectie | looks |
| 09:01.01 | spectie | lol |
| 09:01.03 | spectie | :| |
| 09:01.11 | spectie | i love urbandictionary |
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| 11:42.29 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 13:01.21 | absabs | !next |
| 13:01.21 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 13:02.32 | casinaroyale | is the mentors meeting for deciding slots over yet? |
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| 13:07.43 | cooldUde | if the final evaluation will be complete by 15th does it mean dat the mentors will have to decide the ranks by 15th positively or will they be able to change even after dat |
| 13:08.09 | Landon | wow |
| 13:08.11 | Landon | oh wikipedia |
| 13:08.20 | Landon | I just learned 3 methods of producing striped toothpaste |
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| 13:08.53 | lcuk | Landon, is this useful in everyday life? |
| 13:09.07 | lcuk | "omg my kitty is stuck in a tree" |
| 13:09.19 | lcuk | "don't worry maam, I know how to make stripey toothpaste" |
| 13:09.50 | Landon | :D |
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| 13:10.09 | Landon | hey when the world goes to hell, someone will have printouts of wikipedia |
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| 13:10.14 | Landon | and we'll be able to bring back forgotten arts |
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| 13:10.18 | Landon | such as striping toothpaste |
| 13:10.21 | Landon | or crafting haikus |
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| 13:11.55 | lcuk | how BIG is wikipedia when printed? |
| 13:12.10 | Landon | well |
| 13:12.18 | Landon | paper size, font size, margins? |
| 13:12.18 | disismt | wikipedia downloaded is 4.8 Gb for only articles |
| 13:12.23 | Landon | :P |
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| 13:12.32 | lcuk | normal book fonts, are we talking human carryable, needs a car, a truck? |
| 13:12.39 | Landon | I would say a truck |
| 13:13.00 | Landon | do we want it compressed? |
| 13:13.04 | Landon | just a long runon sentence |
| 13:13.10 | Landon | or do we weant to preserve page structure? |
| 13:13.15 | Landon | because that'd need a bigger truck |
| 13:13.21 | lcuk | no, normal formatting - cant have an unreadable blob |
| 13:13.41 | lcuk | that would be impressive to see and then store away |
| 13:13.53 | lcuk | with a big "DONT PANIC" on the wrapping ;) |
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| 13:21.39 | casinaroyale | !panic |
| 13:21.39 | socinfo | Error: "panic" is not a valid command. |
| 13:21.44 | casinaroyale | dammit |
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| 13:23.17 | patri | !slots |
| 13:23.17 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
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| 13:41.38 | hlapp | lh: that's OK - I'll be speaking w/ Todd (backup admin & boss) within the next hour but I don't think it's going to be fewer; if anything it'll be one more |
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| 13:42.29 | hlapp | lh: (forgot ping :-) |
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| 13:44.18 | lh | hlapp: pong. thanks for the update. |
| 13:44.59 | casinaroyale | lh: is the number of slots for each org decided already? |
| 13:45.07 | lh | casinaroyale: no. |
| 13:45.28 | casinaroyale | lh: ok |
| 13:45.37 | hlapp | lh: must be awfully early for you! I just finished breakfast :) (and am 3 hrs ahead) |
| 13:46.01 | lh | hlapp: it's not that bad |
| 13:47.06 | ajhais | lh: does a student get to know if he is chosen by two orgs...? |
| 13:47.08 | gevaerts | also just finished breakfast, and he's in Europe :) |
| 13:48.35 | lh | ajhais: sort of? i can't give you a useful answer to that right now |
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| 13:49.06 | hlapp | lh: as for my email, I understand you need to go ahead so take what I wrote as final with the (scant) possibility of one more later today |
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| 13:49.17 | lh | will do |
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| 13:50.51 | ajhais | lh: thanks.. so students don't need to worry about getting ignored by both the orgs at the end.. :) |
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| 13:56.15 | Ivanovic | hi lh |
| 13:56.48 | typ0 | whats the deadline for organizations to rank applications ? |
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| 13:59.23 | Raim | !timeline |
| 13:59.23 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 13:59.35 | Raim | typ0: see there :) |
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| 14:17.57 | skbohr1 | !stats |
| 14:17.57 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 14:18.03 | skbohr1 | thanks |
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| 14:18.27 | summatusmentis | Landon: nice way to generate traffic :-D |
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| 14:28.09 | Landon | summatusmentis: eyh? |
| 14:28.18 | Landon | I never suggested it be put there ;) |
| 14:28.22 | summatusmentis | uh huh |
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| 14:30.19 | Landon | summatusmentis: :P |
| 14:30.23 | Landon | just wait until I beef pisg up |
| 14:30.28 | Landon | and give it some spinach |
| 14:30.31 | summatusmentis | Landon: what're you running your blog on? |
| 14:30.36 | Landon | nanoblogger |
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| 14:30.53 | summatusmentis | d'you like it? |
| 14:30.54 | Landon | nice and static |
| 14:30.57 | Landon | could be better |
| 14:31.00 | Landon | a little confusing to use |
| 14:31.10 | Landon | but pretty simple for basic writing a new entry |
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| 14:31.17 | Landon | linking them to categories takes a trip tot he manpage |
| 14:31.21 | Landon | no database = (H) |
| 14:31.27 | Landon | no builtin commenting system = (N) |
| 14:31.42 | summatusmentis | hrm |
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| 14:31.56 | Landon | only updates when you update your content |
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| 14:32.00 | Landon | or choose to forcefully update it |
| 14:32.01 | Landon | :P |
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| 14:32.18 | Landon | I'm sure there's a better solution out there, but I haven't seen it yet :\ |
| 14:32.34 | Landon | also, I have nothing but good things to say about the screen profiles included in jaunty jackalope |
| 14:32.37 | borja | blinks |
| 14:32.40 | borja | mornin' all |
| 14:32.59 | summatusmentis | screen profiles? |
| 14:33.02 | summatusmentis | hi borja! |
| 14:33.11 | borja | hey summatusmentis |
| 14:33.29 | Landon | summatusmentis: do you use screen? |
| 14:33.36 | summatusmentis | I do |
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| 14:33.48 | Landon | well it's not the boring old nothing anymore |
| 14:33.54 | Landon | there's a whole status bar going on in the bottom |
| 14:34.19 | summatusmentis | ubuntu specifc? |
| 14:34.20 | meonkeys | typ0: it was my understanding that ranking doesn't matter except within your organization... what matters is clicking "i am willing to mentor this student", then having your project admin confirm the choice |
| 14:34.29 | Landon | summatusmentis: I'm sure it works best with ubuntu :P |
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| 14:36.05 | Landon | summatusmentis: http://lfowles.org/images/newscreen.png |
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| 14:36.49 | summatusmentis | whoa hey! |
| 14:37.08 | summatusmentis | also, I'm very uncomfortbale with you posting screenshots of our converstaions on the internet :D |
| 14:37.14 | Landon | :P |
| 14:37.16 | Landon | !logs |
| 14:37.17 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 14:37.20 | Landon | suck it, trebek! |
| 14:37.38 | summatusmentis | haha, yeah, I know :D |
| 14:38.09 | meonkeys | Landon: looks like... irssi? |
| 14:38.18 | summatusmentis | yeah, it is |
| 14:38.30 | summatusmentis | irssi running in some new screen thing that jaunty has |
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| 14:38.59 | Landon | meonkeys: was showing him the bottom 2 lines there |
| 14:39.13 | meonkeys | ah, I see |
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| 14:39.30 | meonkeys | are they both from GNU Screen? |
| 14:39.42 | Landon | yeah, some new profiles that come with ubuntu 9.04 |
| 14:39.55 | meonkeys | I see, cool. |
| 14:39.57 | Landon | you don't see it in there, but I woke up this morning and it told me how many updates were available :) |
| 14:40.23 | meonkeys | I have the window list, but not the bottom line with OS/mem/proc info. neat! |
| 14:41.23 | Landon | I like the little happy man in the bottom left |
| 14:41.30 | Landon | probably just eyecandy :P |
| 14:41.32 | summatusmentis | Landon: what're you using at the top? |
| 14:41.35 | Landon | but you never knoow |
| 14:41.38 | Landon | irssi? |
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| 14:41.54 | summatusmentis | clearly it's irssi, is that a separate window open for nick highlights? |
| 14:41.54 | Landon | oh |
| 14:41.56 | meonkeys | see also: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/01/ubuntu-jaunty-testing-screen-profiles.html |
| 14:42.07 | Landon | there's a highlight script that redirects highlights/notices/whatnot to a window of your choice |
| 14:42.21 | Landon | so I set up a split window |
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| 14:42.29 | summatusmentis | intriguing |
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| 14:43.28 | summatusmentis | I have awaylog setup |
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| 14:44.10 | Landon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:44.55 | meonkeys | I'm really fond of this: http://pthree.org/2007/03/21/irssi-gui-notify/ |
| 14:45.26 | hlapp | lh: ping |
| 14:45.47 | summatusmentis | meonkeys: oh, super weird |
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| 14:46.01 | summatusmentis | I've got mine set to make a noise and change the color of my window name |
| 14:46.14 | summatusmentis | the noise then gets redirected through screen to my OS X notification ssytem |
| 14:46.16 | summatusmentis | system* |
| 14:46.16 | Landon | interesting |
| 14:46.24 | Landon | will be really neat with the new notifications system |
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| 14:47.14 | summatusmentis | the "save to a file, ssh in, and read the file" seems hacky |
| 14:47.22 | meonkeys | it is, totally |
| 14:47.31 | meonkeys | hacky, I mean. |
| 14:47.37 | summatusmentis | right |
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| 14:48.01 | meonkeys | however, it does also kinda feel loosely coupled, which is nice. :) |
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| 14:48.15 | summatusmentis | loosely coupled? |
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| 14:49.07 | meonkeys | yes, the notifier ssh's over to read the list of privmsgs on the server |
| 14:49.30 | meonkeys | but if the client-side desktop notifier isn't running, no matter |
| 14:49.43 | summatusmentis | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/13/1250220&from=rss cool :) |
| 14:49.51 | meonkeys | and the plaintext file on the server side with privmsgs could be used for something else. |
| 14:50.07 | summatusmentis | could be used for something else, until the notifier removes lines from it |
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| 14:50.31 | lh | hlapp: pong |
| 14:50.49 | meonkeys | summatusmentis: that's part of its API. ;) |
| 14:51.01 | summatusmentis | :) |
| 14:51.33 | hlapp | lh: what I wrote is final |
| 14:51.44 | thebolt | hi lh, how are you doing? still crazy-busy? |
| 14:51.53 | lh | hlapp: thanks |
| 14:51.57 | lh | thebolt: yes. :) |
| 14:52.04 | thebolt | lh: too bad :/ |
| 14:52.18 | lh | thebolt: all good, it happens. had a very relaxing day yesterday |
| 14:52.30 | hlapp | lh: feel a bit like an organ donor - hope they go to good places :-) |
| 14:52.32 | thebolt | lh: nice for you then :) |
| 14:52.35 | meonkeys | Landon, summatusmentis: now if we could only get GNU Screen to be recognized by, say GNOME Terminal, so windows would appear as tabs.... :) |
| 14:52.41 | lh | thebolt: indeed |
| 14:52.44 | lh | hlapp: they ddi |
| 14:52.48 | lh | did even |
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| 14:53.20 | Landon | meonkeys: ^a-a isn't that bad :P |
| 14:53.25 | thebolt | is dying for next wednesday evening.. (heck, next monday can just be skipped :P) |
| 14:53.31 | Landon | I like the seperation |
| 14:53.41 | Landon | otherwise I'd confuse myself |
| 14:54.01 | summatusmentis | meonkeys: that's a very bad idea |
| 14:54.06 | meonkeys | Landon: I feel like GUI support would be even less confusing. And of course, it would be optional |
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| 14:54.23 | thebolt | wonders who many other applicants don't care if the announcement is delayed a week or not :P |
| 14:54.33 | summatusmentis | I regularly work with 20+ tabs in firefox, I shouldn't be having 15 tabs in my terminal for just IRC :-D |
| 14:54.37 | meonkeys | it would help you visualize what's going on in Screen, much like these extra two bottom lines in your new screen profile, Landon |
| 14:54.48 | Landon | summatusmentis: tab overload? |
| 14:54.57 | Landon | don't you hat eit when you try to remember what you were working on |
| 14:54.58 | summatusmentis | thebolt: it'd give me more time to finish this stupid patch that I can't figure out |
| 14:55.06 | summatusmentis | Landon: absolutely |
| 14:55.13 | Landon | but you have 20 tabs open in your browser, a dozen terminals open, a few conversations in pidgin |
| 14:55.13 | shirish | thebolt, thee must be kidding right ? |
| 14:55.20 | Landon | and on top of that a screen session with multiple windows |
| 14:55.26 | summatusmentis | often times I have tabs open in my browser that I haven't looked at in weeks |
| 14:55.32 | mordante | lh you have a minute? |
| 14:55.40 | Landon | summatusmentis: don't know if firefox can do this, but I found this ridiculously helpful |
| 14:55.43 | Landon | setting the tab bar on the right |
| 14:55.47 | Landon | instead of top |
| 14:55.51 | shirish | mordante, lh's away i guess |
| 14:55.54 | Landon | fit more tabs and they're more descriptive |
| 14:56.00 | Landon | s/firefox/your browser/ |
| 14:56.19 | thebolt | summatusmentis: :) |
| 14:56.19 | thebolt | shirish: not at all.. just that GSoC isn't the most important thing in my life right now ;) |
| 14:56.21 | mordante | shirish, she was just around, only not sure how much time she has ;-) |
| 14:56.21 | summatusmentis | Landon: I'm glad I'm not the only one who probably have 100+ tabs in various locations accross their computer |
| 14:56.35 | summatusmentis | Landon: what browser do you use? I'm running firefox |
| 14:56.37 | Landon | opera |
| 14:56.49 | summatusmentis | seriously? |
| 14:56.49 | shirish | okie mordante .. |
| 14:56.51 | summatusmentis | people use that? |
| 14:56.54 | Landon | :O |
| 14:56.54 | shirish | which org thebolt |
| 14:56.57 | Landon | yes people use it :P |
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| 14:57.07 | Landon | it' |
| 14:57.10 | Landon | s a damn fine browser |
| 14:57.10 | thebolt | shirish: i've applied to crystal space and worldforge |
| 14:57.11 | Landon | ;) |
| 14:57.18 | Landon | gives me what I want without searching for extensions |
| 14:57.28 | shirish | brothers thebolt ..:) |
| 14:57.35 | shirish | Break pad integration |
| 14:57.42 | Landon | not that I really need any, anymore |
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| 14:58.07 | shirish | mordante, guess she's really around :P |
| 14:58.07 | olegfink | and opera is very well able to display tab list at left/right. :-) |
| 14:58.07 | summatusmentis | Landon: I <3 adblock |
| 14:58.11 | sfb | I looked into Breakpad integration for NeL. I have to admit I'm very interested. I'm going to put it on my todo list. (= |
| 14:58.15 | Landon | I don't use adblock, on principle |
| 14:58.17 | thebolt | shirish: oh, which of them? |
| 14:58.22 | lh | mordante: busy but what's up |
| 14:58.32 | Landon | unless it's an annoying flash ad that's really killing me, and then I might b lock it on a per-case basis |
| 14:58.34 | shirish | crash reporter thebolt |
| 14:58.35 | ajuonline | hugs lh |
| 14:58.36 | ajuonline | :D |
| 14:58.40 | udit | #berkman |
| 14:58.42 | thebolt | shirish: yea, but i mean which of the projects.. or both? |
| 14:58.49 | shirish | mordante, you are missing out .. |
| 14:59.11 | Landon | reasoning being that if I don't want the site to get a teensy bit of revenue from me for ads, then I probably shouldn't be visiting in the first place |
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| 14:59.31 | shirish | Well i guess i saw only one . Integrating the break pad in to Ember if that's what you are asking thebolt |
| 14:59.55 | mordante | shirish, I'm not ;-) |
| 15:00.06 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: <3 |
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| 15:00.11 | shirish | mordante, cool |
| 15:00.33 | thebolt | shirish: ah, i said (And applied to) two projects.. crystalspace (doing visculling) and worldforge (wombat stuff) |
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| 15:00.38 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: Hi jake, good day! |
| 15:00.53 | shirish | gotcha thebolt |
| 15:00.54 | summatusmentis | how's the G1? |
| 15:01.20 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: saaaxy :P |
| 15:01.20 | MT | !next |
| 15:01.20 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 15:01.26 | shirish | and why's that gsoc is not becoming important to you.. mordante |
| 15:01.45 | mordante | shirish, I'm mentoring for Wesnoth |
| 15:02.09 | shirish | mordante, cool.. |
| 15:02.09 | Landon | meonkeys: I try to use twitter, but facebook is really where it's at |
| 15:02.37 | meonkeys | Landon: ah, cool. |
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| 15:02.49 | meonkeys | I thought there were ways to integrate the two, but I haven't looked into it. |
| 15:02.52 | mordante | and you shirish |
| 15:02.53 | summatusmentis | there are |
| 15:02.57 | summatusmentis | tweeter |
| 15:03.08 | Landon | meonkeys: ther are, but it'd feel dirty |
| 15:03.12 | meonkeys | summatusmentis: nice, thanks. |
| 15:03.14 | shirish | A student applied for worldforge |
| 15:03.15 | Landon | and I don't want to get the two mixed up :P |
| 15:03.22 | shirish | and Tux |
| 15:03.35 | summatusmentis | Landon: I use twitter more and more recently |
| 15:03.41 | shirish | kblin, you there ! |
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| 15:04.17 | Landon | summatusmentis: I use my blog more and more :P |
| 15:04.26 | Landon | maybe I just need a G1/iphone |
| 15:04.26 | summatusmentis | :-d |
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| 15:04.29 | Landon | but what I really need right now |
| 15:04.30 | Landon | is a nap |
| 15:04.31 | Landon | adios |
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| 15:04.52 | thebolt | sleep well :) |
| 15:04.57 | ajuonline | Landon: you didnt even sleep today |
| 15:05.02 | ajuonline | i mean since ey\\yesterday |
| 15:05.08 | smtms | has it been explaind why preliminary slot allocations are kept secret from the students? |
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| 15:05.34 | shirish | I guess no smtms |
| 15:05.35 | hypa7ia | smtms: in case they change, so no-one gets disappointed :/ |
| 15:05.42 | Landon | ajuonline: 20 minuteas counts! |
| 15:05.49 | shirish | i guess yes hypa7ia lolz |
| 15:05.50 | shirish | :p |
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| 15:05.57 | smtms | hypa7ia, students don't know their position in their orgs list, do they? |
| 15:06.08 | thebolt | smtms: and that they don't make sense to students.. so why publish them? |
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| 15:06.17 | smtms | thebolt, they make sense |
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| 15:06.52 | mordante | shirish, ah nice first time you applied? |
| 15:07.11 | ajuonline | kics Landon to bed |
| 15:07.12 | smtms | thebolt, even if they don't make sense, that's not a reason to keep them secret |
| 15:07.16 | hypa7ia | as a mentor i'm kinda terrified of letting anyone know about application ranking and slots for that reason |
| 15:07.24 | shirish | Yes mordante , this is my first time in gsoc |
| 15:07.37 | hypa7ia | i don't want anyone to stop looking for a summer job and then not get the GSoC spot they expected |
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| 15:08.06 | mordante | hypa7ia, you can't be sure you're accepted until google says so |
| 15:08.16 | shirish | good thoughts hypa7ia |
| 15:08.37 | mordante | s/hypa7iasmts/ |
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| 15:08.45 | hypa7ia | mordante: exactly, but people tend to jump the gun on these things :/ |
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| 15:09.03 | mordante | yes I noticed |
| 15:09.05 | smtms | mordante, try again |
| 15:09.29 | mordante | grrr indeed mistyped again :-/ |
| 15:09.29 | kblin | smtms: so, what good would publishing the slot counts do? |
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| 15:09.53 | mordante | shirish, well good luck with it |
| 15:10.08 | kblin | smtms: as opposed to just starting a pissing contest on who's org got more slots? |
| 15:10.10 | shirish | thank you mordante |
| 15:10.28 | smtms | kblin, useful statistics can be computed |
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| 15:10.47 | smtms | kblin, orgs with more applications will get more slots |
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| 15:11.20 | thebolt | hi webchick |
| 15:11.29 | webchick | hey, thebolt :D |
| 15:11.35 | kblin | smtms: there's no 1:1 relation between apps and slots, though |
| 15:11.36 | thebolt | how do you do? |
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| 15:12.27 | kblin | smtms: and I don't buy the statistics argument, you can do that next monday with hard data, instead of doing it with preliminary data now |
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| 15:13.41 | smtms | kblin, next Monday I will either be too busy to care about statistics, or not care at all |
| 15:13.51 | webchick | thebolt, not bad! Other than it's Monday. You NEVER KNOW what happens on Mondays... *ominous music* |
| 15:13.59 | webchick | thebolt, how about yourself? :) |
| 15:14.11 | thebolt | webchick: hehe, i'm doing _great_.. better than ever almost :) |
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| 15:14.38 | [particle]1 | lh: what's with the *almost* alphabetic list of orgs? it gets me every time. hrmm, perl foundation isn't before pidgin, maybe it's "the perl foundation"? no... ah, there it is, in the second alphabetic list. anyway, ff has a nice built-in search. |
| 15:14.40 | thebolt | even if it is monday |
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| 15:15.37 | kblin | omg.. |
| 15:16.36 | *** topic/#gsoc by lh -> *Preliminary* Slot Allocations Published http://tinyurl.com/slots13April-1 - Duplicate Resolution Meeting in #gsoc-resolve on Wednesday, http://tinyurl.com/gsoc-resolve - Help Needed with Melange Testing http://tinyurl.com/testmelange - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide) - If you're doing presentations, meetups, videos, etc., let us know so we can help you promote your great work - This channel is logged at h |
| 15:16.46 | thebolt | kblin: hm? |
| 15:16.48 | webchick | thebolt, oh that's awesome! :D Any particular reason? |
| 15:16.49 | kblin | just saw someone spell "Sincerely" like "Since you already" |
| 15:17.07 | lh | [particle]-: ask open office, i do an alpha sort and after that, i dont have time to spend fixing the fact that it does not alphabetize properly |
| 15:17.10 | ArthurLiu | \8/ |
| 15:17.16 | smtms | lh, time of duplicate resolution meeting? |
| 15:17.27 | [particle]- | weird. |
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| 15:18.01 | kblin | unless Since you already! is a hip new way to sign off in emails |
| 15:18.49 | kblin | lh: just claim it's an easter egg and people get to search for their orgs |
| 15:18.53 | kblin | it's tradition |
| 15:18.57 | Corsix | "Yours since you already, ..." |
| 15:19.05 | Corsix | nope, can't be hip |
| 15:19.08 | thebolt | webchick: personal stuff :) |
| 15:20.00 | brlcad | topic is too long, truncated at 450 chars |
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| 15:21.26 | ArthurLiu | brlcad, http://tinyurl.com/dczecx |
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| 15:24.34 | brlcad | ArthurLiu: hm? that doesn't seem to be a valid tinyurl |
| 15:24.55 | brlcad | and my comment about the length was more informative, I don't need anything |
| 15:25.36 | carldani | lh: there's an extra parenthesis at the end of "...Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide) ..." in the topic |
| 15:26.42 | kblin | carldani: thay's just to annoy the heck out of LISP coders ;) |
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| 15:27.32 | kblin | spearce: hehe, I like your gittogether email :) |
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| 15:27.46 | carldani | lh: thanks |
| 15:27.56 | ArthurLiu | brlcad, meh, that was a joke on the excessive use of url shorteners :) |
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| 15:30.08 | spearce | kblin: heh. |
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| 15:44.26 | mdale | hmm... I can't seem to find the assign mentor filed that was previously present in the applications ... ah... under "admin comment" |
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| 15:51.19 | shirish | kitallis, !logs |
| 15:51.22 | shirish | !logs |
| 15:51.22 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 15:55.45 | spsneo | have the number of slots to different orgs allotted |
| 15:55.45 | spsneo | ? |
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| 15:57.03 | anothy_x | to clarify, lh's most recent mail indicates that those are all the dupes, and the functionality won't be showing up in the web app, correct? |
| 15:58.29 | shirish | Number of slots alloted for fedora last time ? |
| 15:58.33 | Ivanovic | the dupes will be shown in about one hour |
| 15:59.02 | lh | anothy_x: they will not be shown in the web app no |
| 15:59.14 | lh | Ivanovic: they are already on the mailing list, first round at least |
| 15:59.35 | Ivanovic | oh, okay |
| 15:59.38 | hypa7ia | lh: quick q: if we make changes to the mentors / rankings between now and weds, will the conflict list get updated? |
| 16:00.16 | lh | hypa7ia: yes, i am double checking on it and the melange developer team is also helping with this |
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| 16:00.41 | hypa7ia | lh: oh good... had to write a paper this weekend and am running a bit late on getting them done :s |
| 16:01.02 | spsneo | lh: have the dupes been announced? |
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| 16:01.06 | hypa7ia | and our UK office is on vacay today so it's a nightmare at work :( |
| 16:01.16 | anothy_x | k, just making sure. thanks. |
| 16:01.21 | lh | spsneo: topic, and yes |
| 16:01.22 | lh | :) |
| 16:01.26 | lh | hypa7ia: all good |
| 16:01.32 | lh | leaves to catch plane |
| 16:01.55 | hypa7ia | whee planes |
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| 16:02.06 | hypa7ia | is flying delta on Sunday, eww |
| 16:03.17 | k0p | lh, hello |
| 16:03.28 | k0p | lh, the list that you sent to mailing list are just including top N students? |
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| 16:05.41 | k0p | oh she leaves.. didn't seen |
| 16:06.23 | gevaerts | k0p: the way I think it works is that this includes all students with mentors assigned. I'm not sure though |
| 16:06.51 | k0p | gevaerts, thanks. it make sense. |
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| 16:25.48 | v6sa | Hi |
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| 16:34.34 | Shannon90 | !slots |
| 16:34.34 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
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| 16:37.53 | amerykanin | Hi all |
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| 16:38.07 | shirish | hi amerykanin |
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| 16:50.26 | decriptor | how can I delete a student profile and create a mentor profile |
| 16:51.09 | decriptor | I need to sign up as a mentor and can't find where to do that, so I'm assuming that since I have a student profile that it won't let me? |
| 16:51.25 | hypa7ia | that's correct |
| 16:51.27 | anothy_x | my (fuzzy) memory says someone asked that a few days ago and were directed at #melange to get the delete done. |
| 16:51.35 | hypa7ia | you probably need to ask about that in #melange, yes |
| 16:51.49 | anothy_x | i didn't follow the conversation there, so can't say what the resolution was. |
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| 16:52.51 | decriptor | thanks |
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| 17:11.01 | mib_4iepqadg | shirish: hi |
| 17:11.23 | shirish | hi mib_4iepqadg which org |
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| 17:12.32 | mib_4iepqadg | shirish: do i know u.?? |
| 17:12.42 | shirish | I guess not mib_ |
| 17:12.46 | shirish | I guess not mib_4iepqadg |
| 17:13.20 | mib_4iepqadg | my org is siai |
| 17:13.26 | mib_4iepqadg | n urs..?? |
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| 17:14.52 | mib_4iepqadg | shirish: got it ..urs one is tux4kids and netsurf..m i rite..? |
| 17:15.14 | shirish | well how did you get it mib_4iepqadg |
| 17:16.20 | shirish | yes you are ;) |
| 17:16.59 | mib_4iepqadg | u joined "tux4kids and netsurf channel"..its simple :) |
| 17:17.14 | mib_4iepqadg | shirish: so i guessed.. |
| 17:17.31 | shirish | he he |
| 17:17.32 | shirish | :P |
| 17:17.33 | mib_4iepqadg | shirish: which coll..?? |
| 17:17.38 | mib_4iepqadg | college* |
| 17:17.54 | shirish | IIIT-Allahabad |
| 17:17.56 | shirish | how about you |
| 17:18.07 | shirish | mentor or a student :-/ |
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| 17:18.47 | shirish | hi l0nwlf_ |
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| 17:19.02 | l0nwlf_ | hi shirish |
| 17:19.03 | shirish | !topic |
| 17:19.03 | socinfo | "topic" is Read it! /topic will show it again. |
| 17:19.21 | mib_4iepqadg | shirish: going 4 dinner..talk u later.. |
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| 17:19.49 | shirish | ttyl mib_4iepqadg |
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| 17:20.01 | shirish | abe l0nwlf_ do you know pratyus or chandu from your seniors |
| 17:20.01 | shirish | ? |
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| 17:41.14 | ecin | Hey lh. Is it prudent to ask about slot allocation at this point? |
| 17:42.14 | sanooj | is it the 20th? |
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| 17:47.00 | ecin | sanooj: rather, related to preliminary allocation. |
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| 17:58.07 | MatthewWilkes | MarioB: ping? |
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| 17:59.07 | shirish | bybyeee |
| 17:59.08 | shirish | good night |
| 17:59.27 | MatthewWilkes | MarioB: Conflict resolution pm ok? |
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| 18:04.05 | gorkha | how do i know if i m a duplicate student (if accepted) or not ? |
| 18:04.54 | MatthewWilkes | gorkha: If you get an email from an org asking about preferences you know you're a duplicate. No other day until the acceptance announcement |
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| 18:06.12 | gorkha | thanks |
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| 18:13.39 | mmore | hi all |
| 18:13.54 | mmore | i saw that we can update our proposal in Gsoc |
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| 18:14.31 | mmore | is that man that we are accpeted ?? |
| 18:15.10 | borja | mmore: no |
| 18:15.23 | borja | !next |
| 18:15.23 | mmore | really |
| 18:15.23 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 18:15.52 | mmore | borja, but should we update our proposal |
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| 18:15.59 | borja | !askyourorg |
| 18:16.00 | socinfo | "askyourorg" is You should ask the organization you applied to, as this varies per organization. |
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| 18:20.42 | pygi | already knows he's in xD |
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| 18:21.06 | EnderMB | Lucky. The wait is killing me! |
| 18:21.16 | pygi | EnderMB, who did you apply to? And what org? |
| 18:21.36 | EnderMB | XWiki. |
| 18:22.24 | EnderMB | How about you? |
| 18:23.07 | pygi | several orgs, but my main proposal is at PSF |
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| 18:23.36 | EnderMB | Cool. I was planning to apply to several orgs but uni deadlines got the better of me... |
| 18:23.48 | pygi | meh, you'll be good :) |
| 18:23.51 | pygi | if its a good app... |
| 18:25.39 | EnderMB | It seems pretty good, although they've told me that they've already started ranking students, so there's little more I can do apart from try to be active in their community |
| 18:25.46 | pygi | sure you can... |
| 18:25.48 | pygi | submit patches! |
| 18:26.53 | EnderMB | That's what I'm working on now, although if they've already ranked me it might be too late to change anything. |
| 18:28.56 | pygi | bleh |
| 18:29.01 | pygi | EnderMB, April 21st will be too late |
| 18:29.14 | pygi | until then, nothing is too late |
| 18:29.41 | ajuonline | pygi: yooooo |
| 18:29.52 | pygi | ajhais, yoooooooooooooooooooooo |
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| 18:30.24 | schumaml | interesting. I got the impression that student proposals would remain uneditable? |
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| 18:30.46 | schumaml | I just hope that none of our students did change something there in reply to a public comment |
| 18:30.52 | pygi | schumaml, they are un-editable |
| 18:30.54 | ajhais | pygi: Hi dude |
| 18:30.59 | schumaml | ah, ok |
| 18:31.00 | anothy_x | proposals are uneditable, but there's still comments. we, at least, are still reading those, and while we've scored things, that changes over time. |
| 18:31.05 | dhaun | I think it's only for the abstract, to brush it up for publication |
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| 18:31.10 | pygi | ajhais, do I know you? :D :D |
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| 18:31.17 | ajhais | pygi: think u meant ajuonline |
| 18:31.28 | pygi | ah, yes xD |
| 18:31.30 | pygi | hi ajuonline :D |
| 18:31.31 | ajhais | your typo |
| 18:31.32 | pygi | sorry |
| 18:31.41 | ajhais | pygi: np |
| 18:32.00 | ajhais | pygi: anyway congrats |
| 18:32.23 | ajuonline | hi pygi i gott g1 |
| 18:32.38 | pygi | ajuonline, nice, good for you :) |
| 18:32.41 | pygi | ajhais, ahha thanks ;) |
| 18:33.37 | MatthewWilkes | ajuonline: Addicted yet? |
| 18:33.42 | ajuonline | pygi: whats up with u? |
| 18:33.54 | ajuonline | MatthewWilkes: am typing thru it |
| 18:34.05 | pygi | ajuonline, nothing much, now that I know I'm in, thinking what new things I'll create outside gsoc :p |
| 18:34.11 | pygi | gsoc doesn't allow me to be innovative :p |
| 18:34.24 | MatthewWilkes | ajuonline: fIRC? |
| 18:34.31 | ajuonline | pygi: great |
| 18:34.40 | ajuonline | MatthewWilkes: connectbot |
| 18:34.53 | MatthewWilkes | ah, sshed? How round-the-houses! |
| 18:35.12 | ajuonline | he he yeah |
| 18:35.29 | MatthewWilkes | ajuonline: Got tricorder yet? The magnetic flux graph makes me happy |
| 18:36.07 | ajuonline | yeah have it, its great, thanks |
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| 19:15.53 | summatusmentis | hi all |
| 19:17.03 | ajuonline | all say hi to summatusmentis |
| 19:17.13 | I_love_her | hi summatusmentis |
| 19:17.21 | atulagrwl | hi summatusmentis |
| 19:17.32 | MatthewWilkes | hi to summatusmentis |
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| 19:18.10 | I_love_her | gets relief due to auto complete feature otherwise he wouldn't have typed summatusmentis name |
| 19:18.39 | summatusmentis | heh |
| 19:18.52 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: you're such a smartass |
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| 19:19.07 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: oh right. i wish you were a girl. |
| 19:19.09 | all | hi summatusmentis |
| 19:19.27 | ajuonline | see nuba is smarter than me :P |
| 19:19.27 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: umm... what? |
| 19:19.31 | summatusmentis | heh |
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| 19:19.55 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: you were talking about my a$$ lol |
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| 19:20.36 | summatusmentis | I was not. |
| 19:20.47 | I_love_her | :D |
| 19:21.18 | I_love_her | ajuonline: your a** contains $$ :P |
| 19:21.55 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: heh :P |
| 19:22.17 | summatusmentis | :-D |
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| 19:22.28 | summatusmentis | ugh, school makes me tired |
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| 19:24.01 | patri | !stats |
| 19:24.01 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
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| 19:29.13 | summatusmentis | !timeline |
| 19:29.13 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 19:29.32 | ross` | hello |
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| 19:32.41 | allisterb | hey doesn't the last modified date change if an app gets private comments and votes? I think it did last year. |
| 19:32.50 | ajuonline | allisterb: no. |
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| 19:33.04 | summatusmentis | hi ross` |
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| 19:33.25 | ajuonline | allisterb: this is a smarter application.:) |
| 19:33.39 | allisterb | oh ok, cool. |
| 19:33.54 | summatusmentis | or not cool, depending on how much you want to know :) |
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| 19:35.58 | allisterb | ugh I just ate almost half a bag of hershey's kisses - now I feel a little sic and a lot guilty |
| 19:36.26 | ross` | how do i apply to go to google summer of code |
| 19:36.29 | ross` | and how much does it cost! |
| 19:36.30 | ross` | ;0 |
| 19:36.41 | I_love_her | !timeline |
| 19:36.42 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 19:36.47 | Catfish_Man | ross`: you wait until next year |
| 19:36.51 | nuba | it costs time |
| 19:37.01 | I_love_her | i am afraid that the deadline has passed |
| 19:37.03 | nuba | insert a few months of wait in this timeslot |
| 19:37.29 | nuba | and wait for the magik to happen |
| 19:37.46 | ross` | Catfish_Man: so id be applying for 2010 |
| 19:37.46 | ross` | ? |
| 19:37.52 | Catfish_Man | yes |
| 19:38.15 | andguent | reading seems to be a long forgotten skill these days |
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| 19:38.44 | nuba | andguent: no kidding, check this out http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200807/google |
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| 19:38.58 | ross` | Catfish_Man: alright, could yo utell me the form url location where itll be when it comes online, ill write a perl script to submit the needed stuff in case i forget. i need to know the location and the the form objects |
| 19:39.13 | nuba | title for that article is "Is Google Making Us Stupid?" |
| 19:39.19 | ajuonline | ross`: http://code.google.com/soc |
| 19:39.30 | Catfish_Man | ross`: you can't guarantee that it will be the same next year. The webapp is itself an open source project, and is still evolving |
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| 19:39.33 | ross` | ajuonline: i looked at that and read a bunch of links |
| 19:39.43 | Catfish_Man | if you pay attention to say... any tech news site at all, you should get word early |
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| 19:39.51 | ajuonline | ross`: that is what you should be keeping track to check if it ever happens in 2010. |
| 19:40.12 | ross` | Catfish_Man: ahh i thought it was just a form they put up every year until all slots were full :) |
| 19:40.56 | ross` | another question i have is: how competitive is the selection margin |
| 19:41.05 | ross` | how many ppl have allpied in past years to the amount acepted |
| 19:41.22 | andguent | !numbers |
| 19:41.23 | socinfo | Error: "numbers" is not a valid command. |
| 19:41.26 | andguent | hm what was it? |
| 19:41.30 | icez | !numapps |
| 19:41.30 | socinfo | "numapps" is This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam. There are 5900 proposals from 3500 students. |
| 19:41.33 | andguent | ah yes |
| 19:41.45 | Catfish_Man | we should add the slot count to that |
| 19:41.48 | Catfish_Man | there's 1000 slots, roughly |
| 19:42.03 | icez | there's a google docs document showing stats for the past SoC's...I forgot the url though |
| 19:42.13 | Catfish_Man | so ~29% of students will be accepted |
| 19:42.40 | ross` | alright |
| 19:42.42 | nerd_boy | For some reason, saying I have a 1:3.5 chance sounds slightly better... :/ |
| 19:43.08 | ross` | Catfish_Man: seems more competitive then the job market |
| 19:43.09 | ross` | :) |
| 19:43.12 | Catfish_Man | nerd_boy: I've been doing perf optimization all morning. 29% sounds like "omfg that's huge, need to optimize that" :P |
| 19:43.24 | nerd_boy | Please don't. :p |
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| 19:43.51 | l0nwlf_ | ~29% is high chance considering there are spams too |
| 19:43.51 | ibot | okay, l0nwlf_ |
| 19:44.06 | Catfish_Man | stupid ibot |
| 19:44.10 | ross` | i got an offer for a CSC internship this summer, so im juggling ideas :) |
| 19:44.15 | Catfish_Man | didn't we get rid of it earlier? |
| 19:44.22 | Catfish_Man | and that's a good point l0nwlf_ |
| 19:44.27 | Catfish_Man | it's probably more like 1 in 3 really |
| 19:44.43 | l0nwlf_ | ross`: Even I have an intern offer but will go for GSoC if selected |
| 19:44.55 | ross` | l0nwlf_: lots of fun :) |
| 19:44.59 | nerd_boy | Ah well. Just one more week of agonizing ignorance. |
| 19:45.12 | macduy | hi |
| 19:45.23 | ross` | l0nwlf_: id be working at the university of pensilvania health department unix datacenter division |
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| 19:45.42 | l0nwlf_ | 'date -u' gives output 'Mon Apr 13 19:47:29 UTC 2009' |
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| 19:46.09 | ross` | basically script creation for RHEL boxes that will store medical information |
| 19:46.11 | l0nwlf_ | ross`: I'll b working in vrizone lab |
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| 19:47.37 | ross` | l0nwlf_: interesting |
| 19:47.46 | toni_marie | quick Q about duplicates if I might |
| 19:47.47 | ross` | l0nwlf_: what distro do you use btw |
| 19:47.52 | toni_marie | especially if the lovely LH is awake |
| 19:47.59 | toni_marie | and I do mean lovely |
| 19:48.00 | l0nwlf_ | rocky_h1: fedora |
| 19:48.04 | summatusmentis | she's awake, she may not be here |
| 19:48.07 | summatusmentis | toni_marie: ^ |
| 19:48.12 | toni_marie | hehe |
| 19:48.12 | l0nwlf_ | s/rocky_h1/ross`/ |
| 19:48.23 | ross` | l0nwlf_: ahh nice i use arch and lenny |
| 19:48.32 | ross` | i use wmii 3.5 for my window manager |
| 19:48.38 | toni_marie | lh my dove.... we are working out our mentor assignments over the next few days but we want our duplicates acknowledged |
| 19:49.04 | hypa7ia | uh, i think she's on a plane |
| 19:49.04 | toni_marie | is it going to look bad for us if we have one mentor assigned to 2 or 3 proposals temporarily? |
| 19:49.09 | ross` | toni_marie: does yoru last name start with D |
| 19:49.10 | toni_marie | oh fudge, oh well |
| 19:49.13 | toni_marie | no |
| 19:49.14 | l0nwlf_ | ross`: :) |
| 19:49.26 | ross` | l0nwlf_: what WM do yo use |
| 19:49.33 | l0nwlf_ | ross`: you had applied for which org? |
| 19:49.43 | ross` | i didnt apply |
| 19:49.51 | ross` | but CSC |
| 19:49.59 | toni_marie | she was my target because my mentors chat is going "if we assign one mentor to all our projects, Leslie won't be amused" LOL |
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| 19:50.17 | toni_marie | I was joking about making one guy the mentor for all the projects, because he's been the butt of all my jokes today |
| 19:50.19 | l0nwlf_ | ross`: gnome |
| 19:50.30 | ross` | l0nwlf_: :( i dont liek gnome |
| 19:50.32 | ross` | but w/e works i suppose |
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| 19:51.04 | l0nwlf_ | ross`: I had tried KDE and gnome and I lik latter better |
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| 19:51.17 | ross` | l0nwlf_: yo ushld check out wmii |
| 19:51.45 | ross` | l0nwlf_: i can allow yo to connect to a temp vnc session on my server with wmii if yo uwant |
| 19:51.53 | ross` | yo ucan play around with it and see how it works |
| 19:52.10 | l0nwlf_ | ohh sure |
| 19:52.25 | ross` | :) im afraid ill have to set your user shell to /usr/bin/irssi |
| 19:52.40 | ross` | to keep yo from doing special stuffs :0 |
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| 19:53.04 | l0nwlf_ | well I'm using mibbit (ports are banned in universities) :( |
| 19:53.47 | nuba | ross`: you can still escape from it |
| 19:54.09 | nuba | xdcc some file to the box from another irc user |
| 19:54.23 | nuba | and use irssi builtin perl support to lauch nasty stuff |
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| 19:54.38 | nuba | see? way too easy |
| 19:54.46 | ross` | nuba: i see now :) |
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| 19:56.26 | ross` | nuba: suggested program to set as user shell |
| 19:56.27 | ross` | ? |
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| 19:58.40 | nuba | if you really need to give a shell to someone you dont quite trust i'd use freebsd jails, but thats just me |
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| 20:46.46 | [Evan] | So how many duplicate student acceptances do you usually have? Has there ever been a super-student who became the first choice for three or four projects? |
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| 20:50.12 | [Evan] | Evan loves to ask banned/irrelevant questions to nobody in particular. |
| 20:51.13 | mib_y5t6zy | so if a student is being accepted by multiple organizations, he would have got an email by now. right? :) |
| 20:51.43 | [particle]- | no |
| 20:51.52 | LAZy_BOy | !next |
| 20:51.52 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 20:52.04 | gevaerts | No. Duplicate detection works on assigned mentors, and not every organisation has assigned mentors yet (although that should change soon) |
| 20:52.59 | [Evan] | So the last five days (from Wednesday to Monday) are to let students who have been accepted to multiple orgs choose which one they want to work with. |
| 20:53.03 | homunq | moreover, the organizations find out first, and just heard today. They are the ones who contact the students, and some org admins may have just not checked their email yet. |
| 20:53.34 | mib_y5t6zy | gevaerts : ah, thanks. i guess it should be done by tomorrow anyway, as the meeting is on wednesday.. |
| 20:54.03 | ross` | alright im confused |
| 20:54.06 | gevaerts | I'd expect so at least, yes |
| 20:54.17 | ross` | what are duplicates? where a student submits his application to mroe then one project? |
| 20:54.41 | tntcoda | ross`, yer and gets accepted by multiple orgs |
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| 20:54.56 | ross` | is that not allowed? |
| 20:55.11 | tntcoda | no, can only work on one project |
| 20:55.20 | ross` | so then why do they do it |
| 20:55.22 | EnderMB | You cannot work on two projects at the same time, so you have to choose your favourite. |
| 20:55.28 | ross` | to increase their chances of getting accepted to something? |
| 20:55.33 | tntcoda | exactly |
| 20:55.34 | EnderMB | Yes |
| 20:55.42 | ross` | are yo allowed to submit to mroe then one? |
| 20:55.46 | tntcoda | 20 |
| 20:56.01 | ross` | and how much does it cost if yoru accepted |
| 20:56.11 | jchris | anyone in here from apache.org? I'm planning to mentor but I think an Apache admin has to check a box somewhere |
| 20:57.50 | EnderMB | It doesn't cost anything. |
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| 20:59.13 | ross` | is it a remote thing ? |
| 20:59.14 | EnderMB | You can apply to as many as you feel like (I think), but it's not a good idea to do so as they'll all be looking for a good proposal and not many people have the time to write 10 great proposals for several projects. |
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| 20:59.45 | ross` | do yo uwork from home?? |
| 20:59.50 | ross` | or do yo uactually go to california |
| 20:59.54 | ross` | i just heard about this today |
| 20:59.54 | ross` | ;0 |
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| 21:00.09 | blast007 | ross`: the deadline to submit applications is already past |
| 21:00.13 | ross` | i heard |
| 21:00.17 | EnderMB | Yep, you code from home. |
| 21:00.31 | freebsd-brooks | !faq |
| 21:00.32 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 21:00.37 | ross` | lol what |
| 21:00.51 | ross` | so basically they choose 1000 ppl to work on opensource projects from home |
| 21:01.02 | hypa7ia | yup |
| 21:01.04 | Fou_Fou | yeah |
| 21:01.05 | ross` | thats ludacris whats the point? |
| 21:01.05 | hypa7ia | awesome eh? |
| 21:01.09 | ross` | yo dont have to be selected then |
| 21:01.12 | ross` | i mean |
| 21:01.21 | EnderMB | Google pay you for the work you produce over the summer. |
| 21:01.23 | blast007 | the point is to get new developers involved in open-source projects long term |
| 21:01.24 | sid0 | what's "ludacris"? |
| 21:01.25 | holger_ | ross`: not 1000 ppl. 1000 students. this is a stipend. condition is you successfully complete your work. |
| 21:01.25 | codestasher | who need to give regular updates about their work @ ross |
| 21:01.25 | Fou_Fou | That's how open source works, it's people from all over the world working for one project |
| 21:01.37 | EnderMB | sid0: I think he's a rapper. |
| 21:01.41 | sid0 | EnderMB: heh |
| 21:01.43 | hypa7ia | ludacris is a rapper, i think you meant ludicrous ross` |
| 21:01.44 | ross` | im aware of open source |
| 21:01.58 | ross` | im just saying |
| 21:02.02 | EnderMB | Firstly, it gets students interested in open source software. |
| 21:02.07 | Fou_Fou | well, the point of this program is to help encourage new programers in open source |
| 21:02.18 | ross` | once its posted to a svn repository or something... yo just... submit yo rown patches to a mailing list |
| 21:02.19 | EnderMB | Secondly, it helps open source projects get high-quality developers |
| 21:02.22 | ross` | so yo dont have to be part of it |
| 21:02.25 | ross` | to still be involved |
| 21:02.34 | EnderMB | Thirdly, students get to work on something interesting |
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| 21:02.47 | EnderMB | No, you can still work on the project if you want. You just won't get paid. |
| 21:02.55 | lcuk | and the real reason for lots of the applications: it gets the students some money |
| 21:03.04 | ross` | how much money? |
| 21:03.17 | ross` | i just thoght it was a volonteer thing |
| 21:03.17 | hypa7ia | $4500 US for the summer's work |
| 21:03.21 | ross` | WHAT |
| 21:03.24 | hypa7ia | lol |
| 21:03.27 | Fou_Fou | haha |
| 21:03.27 | ross` | O.O |
| 21:03.29 | ross` | PER STUDENT? |
| 21:03.30 | hypa7ia | ross`: i suggest you read the faq |
| 21:03.30 | macduy | :D |
| 21:03.31 | lcuk | thankfully some of the students want a project as well :) |
| 21:03.32 | EnderMB | Yep |
| 21:03.45 | ross` | holy crap O.O |
| 21:03.48 | ross` | thats alot of money |
| 21:03.50 | ankitg | !google |
| 21:03.50 | socinfo | "google" is not the cosmic cash machine people think it is. |
| 21:03.52 | ross` | to be throwing away |
| 21:03.55 | ross` | on 2nd rate code |
| 21:03.57 | hypa7ia | ross`: it's like a summer internship program. just on a bunch of open source projects |
| 21:04.05 | hypa7ia | uh |
| 21:04.07 | hypa7ia | also |
| 21:04.09 | jchris | ross`: some of the code will be good at least |
| 21:04.12 | hypa7ia | a lot of good code comes out of it |
| 21:04.21 | sid0 | ross`: evidence it's "2nd rate"? |
| 21:04.23 | hypa7ia | and if there's no code, students don't get the money |
| 21:04.26 | ankitg | ross`: hey, who're you calling 2nd rate! =P |
| 21:04.28 | jchris | with open source, even bad code gets good eventually, if it does the job |
| 21:04.28 | holger_ | ross`: there have been quite a few first rate projects in the past summers. stop trolling. |
| 21:04.30 | sid0 | thinks he has been trolled |
| 21:04.31 | Fou_Fou | rose: why would it be second rate? |
| 21:04.41 | lcuk | jchris, hopefully the code will eb good where the student and mentor are compatible |
| 21:04.44 | EnderMB | ross`: Go check out SourceForge, a lot of open source code isn't that great. Code from students will be as good as code from anyone else. |
| 21:04.47 | blast007 | don't feed the troll people ;) |
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| 21:05.01 | lcuk | or the student has unnatural abilities :D |
| 21:05.01 | jchris | hey as long as they don't mix spaces and tabs I'm happy :) |
| 21:05.04 | ross` | im not trying to troll.. |
| 21:05.19 | lcuk | lol jchris |
| 21:05.19 | hypa7ia | if you're not trying to troll, go read the FAQ first :) |
| 21:05.19 | EnderMB | jchris: You may not want to read the latest Coding Horror then... |
| 21:06.08 | EnderMB | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001254.html |
| 21:06.11 | ankitg | jchris: 4 spaces = 1 tab, rite? :) |
| 21:06.13 | holger_ | ross`: i think i did first class x86 sse asm last year. and i'm going to mentor some first class arm neon asm this year. i hope ;) |
| 21:06.15 | ross` | danit i wish i signed up |
| 21:06.34 | EnderMB | There's always next year. |
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| 21:06.40 | ross` | ;0 |
| 21:06.45 | sid0 | EnderMB: heh at meta's suggestion |
| 21:06.54 | ross` | i have already gotten an offer for an internship with CSC |
| 21:07.18 | EnderMB | Sounds good. |
| 21:07.54 | sid0 | EnderMB: er, meta = cyrus :) |
| 21:08.05 | EnderMB | A lot of the internships in my area involve boring work like SEO Consultation. |
| 21:08.13 | sid0 | ew, seo |
| 21:08.18 | sid0 | that's how he goes on the ars forums |
| 21:08.27 | macduy | btw, has anyone heard of IBM's Extreme Blue? |
| 21:08.48 | EnderMB | The only reason I signed up to GSoc is so that I could do something that isn't SEO. |
| 21:11.22 | holger_ | eww. seo. might as well get into marketing if you consider doing something that low. |
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| 21:12.15 | lcuk | no - its possible to make a good advert once in a while |
| 21:13.22 | holger_ | it's also possible to accidentally accomplish some seo while optimizing your page for actual users ;) |
| 21:13.50 | EnderMB | holger_: SEO doesn't really exist. It's all about optimising for users, not bots. |
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| 21:14.17 | EnderMB | Besides, if something works today it's bound to get you banned a week from now. Google aren't stupid. |
| 21:14.26 | holger_ | EnderMB: i know that. the seo people don't. |
| 21:15.03 | EnderMB | holger_: That's why it's easy to get SEO work. :) |
| 21:15.43 | ross` | ok i read the faq page ;0 |
| 21:15.58 | EnderMB | The last company I worked for (Real Estate) lost £500 after paying someone for bad SEO advice. |
| 21:16.34 | holger_ | probably more. they just don't know it. |
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| 21:17.41 | ross` | whats wrong with SEO? |
| 21:17.47 | ross` | how is it against the rules of google |
| 21:17.47 | ross` | loll |
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| 21:18.00 | ross` | there is nothing wrong with making your website higher on the list |
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| 21:18.21 | hypa7ia | it all depends on how you do it, ross` |
| 21:18.37 | ross` | ahhh |
| 21:18.40 | EnderMB | ross`: SEO as a 'business' is a farce. People pretend to be experts on Google and sell phony information for money. |
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| 21:19.11 | EnderMB | On top of that, a lot of people that have made it big have only done so by gaming Google in a malicious way. |
| 21:19.12 | devilsadvocate | EnderMB, depends on who you sell it to |
| 21:19.13 | ross` | in my experience adding some appropriate meta tags and some other stuff normally works |
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| 21:19.27 | ross` | doesnt make yo in the top #1 slot for your keyword |
| 21:19.34 | ross` | but i've done decently |
| 21:19.48 | EnderMB | ross`: Meta tags does not affect placement on any of the major search engines, apart from Yahoo (I think). |
| 21:19.53 | devilsadvocate | ross`, the point with SEO is that a lot of people cant even do that |
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| 21:20.14 | EnderMB | If you want to get started with SEO this is the best place to look: http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=182915 |
| 21:20.33 | devilsadvocate | SEO starts right from the point you choose your organization/websites name |
| 21:21.44 | kblin | "a" |
| 21:21.49 | holger_ | seo is exploiting bugs in search engines. to make stuff show up higher because you do something for search bots, not users. |
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| 21:23.20 | holger_ | if there's anything good to seo, it's that it tends to evolve rating algorithms. |
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| 21:23.48 | EnderMB | Exactly. It's a stupid business that wouldn't exist in a perfect world, but if a company is willing to pay me a sack of money to help their Web Designer/Developer gain some sense then I'm okay with it. |
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| 21:24.45 | ross` | mmm |
| 21:24.46 | holger_ | i'm not opposed to sacks of money either. i just like to do honest work for it. not help people exploit bugs ;) |
| 21:24.53 | ross` | EnderMB: so you spent yor time figuring out how to exploit them? |
| 21:25.03 | ross` | i see now |
| 21:25.17 | ross` | seo means the exploitation of stuff |
| 21:25.25 | ross` | i thoght seo just ment making your website search engine friendly |
| 21:25.26 | EnderMB | Nope. I tell these companies how to optmise their pages for their users. |
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| 21:26.43 | EnderMB | If their pages have relevant information and safe links users will benefit as well as search engines. |
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| 21:27.28 | EnderMB | Trying to exploit Google is pointless, because what works today won't work tomorrow. |
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| 21:27.37 | ross` | EnderMB: ahhh |
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| 21:27.42 | holger_ | EnderMB: if you're really doing just that, it's not what people call seo. |
| 21:28.12 | holger_ | otoh, some people like to set up loads of pages that are not meant for users at all. just to increase the link counts. |
| 21:28.41 | EnderMB | holger_: SEO is a pointless exercise and I make sure that my clients and their developers are aware of that. |
| 21:29.02 | holger_ | EnderMB: good then. you should stop calling what you're doing seo then ;) |
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| 21:30.58 | holger_ | personally - if a company i'm considering doing business with claims doing seo, they're out. |
| 21:32.00 | EnderMB | Believe it or not, a lot of large websites have sub-departments just for SEO. |
| 21:32.34 | EnderMB | If I remember rightly, RightMove.com have a lot of SEO Consultants. |
| 21:32.53 | holger_ | a lot of large websites can't be used without installing flash either. i don't care. i just ignore them. |
| 21:33.15 | EnderMB | At least now some Flash can be crawled by Google |
| 21:33.35 | holger_ | bad google. bad. bad. ;) |
| 21:33.37 | summatusmentis | flash is the plague |
| 21:33.58 | skbohra | sighs |
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| 21:34.24 | EnderMB | Flash is great for multimedia, not so good for websites. |
| 21:34.33 | skbohra | flash makes my life tough |
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| 21:34.54 | EnderMB | skbohra: How so? |
| 21:35.16 | skbohra | EnderMB: people want me to make sites with effects like flash :( |
| 21:35.44 | EnderMB | As a reformed Graphic Designer during my youth I used to play around with Flash for its vector tools, but animation in Flash back then was so tedious. |
| 21:35.45 | holger_ | skbohra: just tell them they're going to lose users if they do that. |
| 21:36.09 | summatusmentis | you can get vector without flash |
| 21:36.23 | skbohra | SVG animation rocks |
| 21:36.46 | EnderMB | SVG implementation is still relatively new though. Back then it was either Illustrator or Macromedia Flash |
| 21:36.50 | holger_ | adobe has such a bad track record re security holes. you can't possibly expect people to install that. even if most just do. |
| 21:37.15 | skbohra | HTML5 will make things pretty good |
| 21:37.17 | EnderMB | I still cannot believe that Adobe bought Macromedia. |
| 21:37.33 | summatusmentis | if people didn't insist on using flash for video players on the internet, I wouldn't have flash installed |
| 21:37.47 | summatusmentis | what's there not to believe? |
| 21:37.47 | skbohra | I too |
| 21:38.06 | EnderMB | Macromedia were a good company. Abode weren't that great. |
| 21:38.20 | EnderMB | Adobe* |
| 21:38.21 | skbohra | ^^ |
| 21:38.26 | summatusmentis | obviously they were good enough to buy Macromedia |
| 21:38.35 | holger_ | summatusmentis: you're one of the ppl who make flash happen now. just abstain. go away and never return if a web site wants you to install flash. |
| 21:39.11 | summatusmentis | holger_: I know, but I'm also one to choose 'it works' over 'not using it for ideals' |
| 21:39.17 | holger_ | we only have flash because 99% of people don't care. and web sites can live with 1% not using them. |
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| 21:39.32 | EnderMB | It's surprising that people still want Flash on their web pages. I thought that practice died out when Flash became the king of online media. |
| 21:40.21 | summatusmentis | holger_: that said, when a website is designed around flash, I leave |
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| 21:41.25 | EnderMB | I don't even think I could name a website I use on a regular basis that uses Flash, apart from video or music websites. |
| 21:41.29 | vinod | h |
| 21:41.37 | vinod | hi* |
| 21:41.46 | EnderMB | vinod: Hey |
| 21:41.47 | summatusmentis | hi vinod |
| 21:42.10 | summatusmentis | EnderMB: me neither, but that's because I actively move away from Flash websites :) |
| 21:42.30 | vinod | i just want to know whether the allocation has been done by now? |
| 21:42.42 | Corsix | Google Analytics uses flash, but then it's full of nice graphs and stuff |
| 21:42.50 | vinod | in general ( all orgs)? |
| 21:42.58 | summatusmentis | Corsix: oh, that's true, my wordpress stats thing uses flash |
| 21:43.08 | summatusmentis | vinod: allocations aren't final until the 20th |
| 21:43.11 | EnderMB | I think duplicates are sorted out on the 15th and the allocation is announced on the 20th |
| 21:43.25 | EnderMB | Corsix: Oh yeah! I forgot all about Analytics. Great tool. |
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| 21:43.38 | Ivanovic | EnderMB: the main *meeting* for sorting out dupes is on 15th |
| 21:43.43 | vinod | so it is not that i can know whether i'm in the selected list. |
| 21:43.54 | Ivanovic | though some other ones might occur later on that will have to be solved right between the orgs |
| 21:44.13 | [particle]- | !next |
| 21:44.13 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 21:44.45 | skbohra | !guess |
| 21:44.45 | socinfo | "guess" is Theres no point guessing anything. Results will be out when they are out. But sure, guessing is fun! :D |
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| 21:45.11 | EnderMB | The wait is killing me. If I don't get in then it'll ruin my summer. |
| 21:45.26 | skbohra | agrees :) |
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| 21:45.45 | holger_ | vinod: if you're likely to be selected, you're likely to have had some communication with your potential mentor by now. |
| 21:45.46 | [particle]- | then you'll have to move to the southern hemisphere. |
| 21:46.07 | holger_ | same for EnderMB ... communication is the key. |
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| 21:47.07 | EnderMB | Yeah, after my girlfriends birthday I'll be spending as much time as possible trying to write stuff for my org before the 20th. |
| 21:47.13 | brlcad | holger_: we make it a point to talk to every one of our applicants up until and even beyond the announcements, so that's not exactly true ;) |
| 21:47.35 | holger_ | a->b != b->a |
| 21:47.36 | brlcad | now not talking to your mentors/orgs if certainly a likely sign that you won't get selected |
| 21:48.13 | skbohra | :( |
| 21:48.23 | skbohra | that's a poor sign for me |
| 21:48.43 | EnderMB | I've spoken to my org, but haven't received much response, apart from "we're ranking students, so finalise your project plan" |
| 21:48.55 | brlcad | skbohra: maybe you should be talking to them instead of hanging out chatting in here ;) |
| 21:49.00 | homunq | it really depends on the org, a lot. |
| 21:49.13 | holger_ | EnderMB: you should do that before the 15th. after that, there's just a very slight chance you might still catch a spot. |
| 21:49.23 | skbohra | brclad: there is no one in their room |
| 21:49.35 | hypa7ia | skbohra: have you tried their mailing list? |
| 21:49.36 | brlcad | skbohra: they are active *somewhere* |
| 21:49.39 | hypa7ia | not all projects use irc |
| 21:49.46 | EnderMB | I finalised mine a few days ago, but no response to it as of yet. |
| 21:49.48 | skbohra | brlcad: no where |
| 21:49.52 | brlcad | whether it be a bb or a ml or irc or paper, somehwere |
| 21:49.53 | Fou_Fou | the project I want tends to only be active in mailing lists |
| 21:49.54 | hypa7ia | skbohra: which project? |
| 21:49.57 | Lennie | To All mentors/org admins take a look at the updated duplicate list, it should reflect the latest changes, http://tinyurl.com/duplicateaccepts-13042009 |
| 21:49.59 | gevaerts | Actually, you should have done that during the past two weeks. Starting to impress people today is *very* late |
| 21:50.02 | holger_ | our org is already pretty much sure who we'd like to have. |
| 21:50.04 | skbohra | sunlight labs |
| 21:50.09 | hypa7ia | thanks Lennie |
| 21:50.52 | hypa7ia | woot, still no dupes :) |
| 21:50.52 | EnderMB | Is there much competition for places in your orgs? |
| 21:50.55 | ross` | Lennie: i wasnt able to register is there still a way to take part in a project without recieving a stipend for educational purposes and my name on a piece of code |
| 21:51.02 | summatusmentis | o/ hypa7ia |
| 21:51.04 | hypa7ia | EnderMB: yes |
| 21:51.23 | EnderMB | In all honesty I just want to do some coding over the summer. The money is the icing on the cake for me. |
| 21:51.28 | Lennie | ross`, it's open source you can join and come at any moment |
| 21:51.29 | hypa7ia | ross`: you can do that no matter what - just pick an open source project and get involved :) |
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| 21:51.35 | hypa7ia | hai summatusmentis |
| 21:51.41 | EnderMB | If I don't get in I'll probably just code for a project I like anyway. |
| 21:51.50 | skbohra | hypa7ia: sunlight labs |
| 21:52.17 | ross` | Lennie: yes but what do i supmit my stuff too?> is there an svn repository? |
| 21:52.21 | ross` | or a mailing list for projects |
| 21:52.29 | Lennie | depends on the projects |
| 21:52.29 | ross` | im not sure how to take part in these projects givin by the mentrs |
| 21:52.36 | jamesturk1 | skbohra: feel free to talk directly to me re:sunlight |
| 21:52.38 | Lennie | what are you interestedin ross`? |
| 21:52.44 | hypa7ia | skbohra: http://groups.google.com/group/sunlightlabs |
| 21:52.49 | ross` | lots of stuff |
| 21:52.52 | hypa7ia | skbohra: that wasn't very hard |
| 21:52.56 | ross` | i can code c |
| 21:53.00 | skbohra | jamestruk1:hi |
| 21:53.17 | hypa7ia | ross`: we'd love to have you bughunting on openswan if you're interested in networking/security stuff |
| 21:53.26 | holger_ | ross`: talk to the people doing the stuff you're interested in. |
| 21:53.27 | hypa7ia | it's in c :) |
| 21:53.37 | ross` | hypa7ia: hmm is that openvpn? |
| 21:53.54 | schumaml_ | ross`: you don't need to limit your contribution to these projects |
| 21:53.54 | hypa7ia | nope, openswan is a separate project with a completely different design :) |
| 21:53.56 | summatusmentis | goes to try and get this patch working |
| 21:54.03 | hypa7ia | good luck summatusmentis ! |
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| 21:54.06 | ross` | like* |
| 21:54.06 | Lennie | there are a lot of other people in here who know more about all these orgs then me, talk and you might find something that interests you |
| 21:54.08 | ross` | is it like* |
| 21:54.13 | summatusmentis | hypa7ia: why thank you |
| 21:54.20 | ross` | Lennie: ahh, alright |
| 21:55.52 | ross` | hypa7ia: so what is openswan? |
| 21:55.58 | hypa7ia | ross`: it can be hard to know where to start with participating in open source, but the point is just to start /somewhere/ - you'll figure out what you want to do from there :) |
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| 21:56.29 | hypa7ia | ross`: openswan is an implementation of the IPSec standard for linux |
| 21:56.31 | holger_ | the usual way is just starting to read the source of some oss software you're using. |
| 21:56.37 | hypa7ia | (and mac os, and *bsd) |
| 21:56.39 | ross` | http://openswan.org |
| 21:56.39 | ross` | ? |
| 21:56.43 | hypa7ia | that's the one |
| 21:56.57 | gevaerts | ross`: the best way to get started on a project is to get annoyed by something |
| 21:57.02 | hypa7ia | hehe |
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| 21:57.17 | ross` | does anyone here use urxvt? |
| 21:57.20 | holger_ | and once you have questions (or even better: an idea for improvements) you start communicating with the people who wrote it. and then things just tend to happen ;) |
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| 21:58.12 | EnderMB | Definitely. I was annoyed at the lack of a article system for vBulletin so I spent a whole month coding one for my website. When I finished Jelsoft released the new version of vBulletin, making my modification obsolete... |
| 21:58.32 | EnderMB | Still, I learned a lot of PHP by doing that, so it wasn't a complete waste. |
| 21:58.41 | ross` | EnderMB: ;0 cool |
| 21:59.14 | EnderMB | Hopefully my org will pick me, as this project involves writing forum software for an enterprise wiki. |
| 21:59.38 | gevaerts | has had a similar experience with foobillard. He added snooker rules the same night as the author :) |
| 21:59.39 | holger_ | EnderMB: in the oss world, you don't code in private. you can, of course, but then you risk those things happening. communicate, code, commit |
| 22:01.38 | hypa7ia | that reminds me of http://webchick.net/embrace-the-chaos :) |
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| 22:02.41 | vinc456 | !timeline |
| 22:02.42 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 22:02.43 | ross` | ha |
| 22:02.43 | summatusmentis | my first foray into open source was with gtkpod, I wanted to implement photo-syncing with the iPod, so I spent a good semester on it, after having talked to the community |
| 22:03.15 | summatusmentis | just when I was just getting started understanding the codebase, and writing code, someone else came out of the blue and submitted their patches to do exactly that |
| 22:03.53 | holger_ | hypa7ia: yes. definitely. communication is _the_ key. |
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| 22:04.12 | ross` | if anyone needs hosting space and/or svn repositories tell me if the project looks interesting and it looks like itll go somewhere ill deffinatly host it for free |
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| 22:05.29 | hypa7ia | ross`: existing open source projects usually have that kind of thing already - code is more helpful as a contribution :) |
| 22:05.33 | pygi | ross`, you run a hosting company? :P |
| 22:05.35 | pygi | hides |
| 22:06.04 | ross` | pygi: no, but i have some nice servers |
| 22:06.18 | ross` | pygi: thats mainly how i have helped out other projects in the past |
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| 22:06.24 | ross` | :) |
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| 22:06.39 | ajuonline | ross`: we have code.google.com kthxbaiiiiii |
| 22:06.45 | pygi | shoots ajuonline |
| 22:06.47 | ross` | ;0! |
| 22:06.51 | hypa7ia | and github, and sourceforge, etc :) |
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| 22:07.33 | pygi | SF is *bad* at these times, github is ok, but not a complete infrastructure, c.g.c is a usability mess |
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| 22:08.14 | hypa7ia | pygi: i don't disagree with you on any of those... but setting up your own doesn't make it any more usable generally :) |
| 22:08.17 | ajuonline | pygi: go finish da book |
| 22:08.27 | pygi | ajuonline, o be quite xD |
| 22:08.39 | ajuonline | tsk tsk |
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| 22:08.44 | pygi | hypa7ia, indeed it doesn't, it gives you more flexibility to make it more usable however :) |
| 22:08.46 | ross` | i prefer setting up my own |
| 22:08.47 | ross` | :0 |
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| 22:27.31 | vinc456 | The selected students will be announced by the 20th, but is the review deadline well before that? |
| 22:28.03 | vinc456 | Are orgs still reviewing applications? |
| 22:28.04 | vinc456 | !slots |
| 22:28.04 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 22:28.59 | holger_ | review deadline is pretty much the 15th. and most orgs should be done with it by now. |
| 22:29.49 | vinc456 | Ok, thanks. |
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| 22:35.00 | Guest77028 | awww, so if you haven't received comments or anything by now, you're probably not selected? |
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| 22:35.34 | summatusmentis | relix: depends on the org |
| 22:37.14 | relix | guess I won't get my hopes up then |
| 22:37.56 | relix | oh well, there are a lot of other things I could do with a summer of coding |
| 22:38.13 | Landon | I could go live with my parents |
| 22:38.15 | holger_ | relix: you can code without gsoc for sure ;) |
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| 22:38.16 | Landon | in the basement |
| 22:38.17 | Landon | :P |
| 22:38.26 | Landon | would definitely hamper coding though |
| 22:38.26 | relix | indeed .p |
| 22:38.30 | Landon | with their internets |
| 22:38.33 | relix | plus, my gf would be pleased |
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| 22:38.41 | relix | I wouldn't have a formal excuse for coding anymore |
| 22:38.55 | Landon | you're bettering mankind |
| 22:38.56 | Landon | :D |
| 22:39.08 | holger_ | we had this guy with an impressive cv but nothing else. two days before the 15th he replies with "no, i did not compile your code yet. no, i did not do any quali task" |
| 22:39.14 | summatusmentis | relix: your girlfriend doesn't get to say :) |
| 22:39.29 | ross` | now the smart thing to do is find 5 kids to register, hire a professional resume creator to create them all aplications for projects |
| 22:39.38 | holger_ | (our org replies to any and all apps. and we just see what happens ;) |
| 22:39.43 | ross` | then hire yourself 3 professional coders to do about 2 weeks of coding |
| 22:39.46 | ross` | after yo ucut yoru loses |
| 22:39.54 | ross` | yo just took huge advantgae of google :) |
| 22:40.11 | gevaerts | wonders what ross` is on about |
| 22:40.21 | barmstr | that doesn't make any sense at all, sorry, lol |
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| 22:40.26 | relix | wonders what ross is on |
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| 22:40.38 | ross` | google never meets students on a personal face to face basis right? |
| 22:40.42 | ross` | its all about the orgs seeing the application |
| 22:40.50 | ross` | and then work being submitted |
| 22:40.54 | gevaerts | yes, so? |
| 22:41.00 | Fou_Fou | if the student doesn't produce, they won't get the money |
| 22:41.05 | holger_ | google just gives the stipends. the orgs make sure they get the students they want. |
| 22:41.22 | ross` | tthats what im saying... hire some profesional coders yo ustill profit |
| 22:41.25 | barmstr | something tells me when you have one mega commit with all of your summer's work in it before the coding session starts, you're probably going to have issues... |
| 22:42.07 | relix | unless you used a locally cloned repository |
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| 22:42.28 | relix | oh wait |
| 22:42.29 | gevaerts | so you're going to hire someone for $4000 (you want some profit, so not $4500). For how many days do you expect a *good* programmer for that? |
| 22:42.35 | relix | I totally read that wrong |
| 22:42.37 | holger_ | ross`: usd 4500 aren't going to buy you much if you outsource. |
| 22:42.51 | gevaerts | a week? Maybe two if you're lucky |
| 22:43.26 | ross` | all im saying is a professional project team lead with years of work experience getting projects done |
| 22:43.27 | Fou_Fou | yeah, a professional programmer would accept 4 grand for maybe a week's worth of work |
| 22:43.34 | ross` | could get the best applications submitted |
| 22:43.43 | barmstr | but they'd have no reason to |
| 22:43.45 | ross` | and get coders to do the work |
| 22:43.46 | Fou_Fou | and the point of gsoc is to get people invested in the open source community |
| 22:43.49 | ross` | and profit off it |
| 22:44.00 | holger_ | but well, it seems there is a thriving market for outsourcing uni assignments ;) so maybe you could outsource a bit of your usual duties while working on gsoc ;) |
| 22:44.07 | gevaerts | ross`: $4000 is *nothing* for experienced professionals |
| 22:44.41 | schumaml_ | and they won't stick to your project once the time is spent |
| 22:44.44 | Fou_Fou | if you hire a programmer for 4000 to work on the project for a week, that's it. |
| 22:44.57 | Fou_Fou | they won't necessarily continue |
| 22:45.05 | relix | that even sounds a bit on the low side |
| 22:45.09 | Fou_Fou | like schumal said |
| 22:45.10 | relix | especially including taxes etc |
| 22:45.23 | Fou_Fou | sorry, schumaml* |
| 22:45.28 | gevaerts | And with a week's worth of code, your organisation won't be impressed, and you get nothing (except a bill from your contractor) |
| 22:45.54 | relix | the amount is just right |
| 22:46.00 | relix | so not to attract frauds |
| 22:46.08 | relix | but to be interesting to genuine participants |
| 22:46.22 | ross` | alright |
| 22:46.23 | ross` | i wont argue |
| 22:46.51 | ross` | but there are some great team leads out there that are liek a razors edge when microamnaging funds to work hours |
| 22:47.10 | holger_ | relix: it's hard to get that amount right for the whole world. for ppl in less developed countries, it's still likely to attract frauds. |
| 22:47.19 | relix | ah right |
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| 22:48.00 | gevaerts | thinks that ross` should go to some of those great team leads and ask what they can do for $4000 |
| 22:48.02 | holger_ | otoh, in developed countries, you _could_ earn about as much just flipping burgers or something. which is less fun of course. |
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| 22:49.33 | holger_ | and which also won't be as impressive in your cv ;) |
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| 22:50.54 | relix | ^ |
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| 22:52.35 | holger_ | got two t-shirts for student participation. aiming for the third as a mentor this year |
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| 22:53.21 | hlapp | is Patrick Barnes (handle nman64 ?) here? |
| 22:53.21 | saiyr | eventually you'll have one for every day of the week :p |
| 22:53.44 | hlapp | or some other admin from fedora/jboss |
| 22:54.13 | nman64 | hlapp: Yes. |
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| 22:55.05 | holger_ | well. question to ask is: would i do this for the t-shirt (and the cv) alone? if the answer is no, you want to reconsider. |
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| 23:00.07 | Upthorn | if you assume 40 hours a week from may 23rd to aug 10th, $4500 amounts to ~$10/hr |
| 23:01.09 | antarus | holger_: I disagree, flipping burgers is a hell of a good time |
| 23:01.25 | antarus | assuming yuo find the right locale to flip burgers in |
| 23:01.44 | Upthorn | which is maybe a little more than you'd get flipping burgers, but you accomplish something more worthwhile, and you can't put burger flipping on a resumé |
| 23:02.43 | holger_ | antarus: fun maybe. but having a highschool dropout as your manager? you might just as well join the army if you like that ;) |
| 23:04.12 | antarus | Upthorn: sure you can |
| 23:05.09 | Upthorn | well I mean, you can |
| 23:05.29 | scorche|sh | i just would throw it in the trash... |
| 23:05.51 | antarus | ouch harsh! |
| 23:05.56 | Upthorn | but depending on who reads it, and what job you're applying for, it might actually hurt the resumé overall |
| 23:06.28 | gevaerts | if you're sending the same résumé everywhere, you're doing it wrong |
| 23:07.18 | antarus | well I got the third job I applied for, and I did send basically the same thing to all 3, save the cover letter |
| 23:07.29 | gevaerts | waves to scorche|sh |
| 23:07.50 | hlapp | nman64: just sent you an email re: duplicate resolution |
| 23:07.55 | antarus | certainly if you have better experience than burger flipping you should put that on there ;) |
| 23:08.14 | antarus | if you did nothing in college but study and flip burgers though, you should probably put burger flipping on there |
| 23:08.35 | scorche|sh | glares at gevaerts |
| 23:08.39 | antarus | but you are already probably ranked low for not taking intiative in college, etc... |
| 23:08.51 | gevaerts | wonders why |
| 23:08.53 | scorche|sh | wait...initiative?...in college? |
| 23:09.04 | scorche|sh | i thought that was where one parties |
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| 23:09.16 | scorche|sh | oh wait....comp sci.. |
| 23:09.33 | summatusmentis | some of us take too much initiative, and find ourselves with not enough time to do all our initiative induced activities |
| 23:09.36 | summatusmentis | :( |
| 23:09.45 | scorche|sh | summatusmentis: i know how you feel =( |
| 23:09.51 | schumaml | you could still get known as the organizers of the parties the whole town knows about... |
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| 23:10.10 | summatusmentis | schumaml: not good on a resume though |
| 23:10.37 | schumaml | summatusmentis: maybe if you're applying for a job as event orgnaizer? |
| 23:10.44 | summatusmentis | heh |
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| 23:14.45 | hlapp | is someone from Sunlight Foundation here (e.g. James Turk)? |
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| 23:16.23 | summatusmentis | !anyone |
| 23:16.23 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 23:19.45 | hlapp | summatusmentis: yes, thanks, but first checking here sounded like the quickest first try - sorry if that's considered inappropriate |
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| 23:20.20 | summatusmentis | hlapp: you just get better success if you talk to the org directly :) it also gets annoying if you have a lot of people doing it |
| 23:20.23 | summatusmentis | no worries |
| 23:21.16 | skbohra | hlapp: he's there in #transparent |
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| 23:24.40 | hlapp | skbohra: thanks, will try |
| 23:25.20 | hlapp | skbohra: it' |
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| 23:25.42 | hlapp | skbohra: it's #transparency actually - #transparent is a lonely place :-) |
| 23:26.48 | skbohra | ah right |
| 23:26.51 | skbohra | :) |
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| 23:44.34 | ross` | could someone in here who works for google tell me what i need for the bare minimum to qualify for adsense |
| 23:44.37 | ross` | would a phpbb forum work |
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| 23:44.51 | ross` | im just trying to make something to qualify for adsense so i can put it on my real projects later |
| 23:45.06 | ross` | but i want to get rid of the hastle of it now |
| 23:45.18 | Corsix | amen to it being a hastle to sign up |
| 23:45.34 | ross` | yea its like submit your website and they look atit |
| 23:45.53 | ross` | and 48 hours later they get abck to yo uat the exact time when yoru not able to send your updated url |
| 23:46.04 | ross` | and then yo report another 24 hours later and 2 weeks later you get accepted |
| 23:46.09 | Corsix | for me, apply, wait two weeks, get declined due to "invalid address" |
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| 23:46.17 | Corsix | even though my address was 100% correct |
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| 23:46.28 | Corsix | so apply again having made no changes, wait a bit, get accepted |
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| 23:46.42 | ross` | may i see yoru site? |
| 23:46.45 | ross` | how complex is yoru script |
| 23:46.50 | Corsix | www.dow2db.com |
| 23:47.21 | ross` | zum wow |
| 23:47.28 | ross` | did yo make that yorself? |
| 23:47.31 | Corsix | yes |
| 23:47.41 | ross` | nice css |
| 23:47.44 | Corsix | needed to brush up on my web dev |
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| 23:48.56 | ross` | do yo uget a good amount of hits? |
| 23:49.59 | Corsix | few thousand pageviews per day |
| 23:50.27 | ross` | Corsix: wow thats not bad o/.O |
| 23:50.33 | ross` | your #6 on google for dow2 |
| 23:50.47 | Corsix | I'm # |
| 23:50.52 | Corsix | 1 for "mod studio" |
| 23:51.20 | ross` | er no yo rnot |
| 23:51.28 | ross` | themodstudio.com is |
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| 23:51.42 | Corsix | then what google gives you if different to what it gives me |
| 23:52.13 | ross` | 18:14 -!- Ownatik [n=aiyo@132-120.tr.cgocable.ca] has joined #gsoc |
| 23:52.13 | ross` | 18:15 -!- jasebo [n=jcleelan@CPE-61-9-136-127.static.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #gsoc |
| 23:52.23 | ross` | http://www.corsix.org/dow-coh-mod-studio-news |
| 23:52.27 | ross` | is on the botom of the 2nd page |
| 23:53.06 | Corsix | http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9900/image1tbu.png |
| 23:53.07 | ross` | when's the last time yo uchecked |
| 23:53.14 | Corsix | just now ^^ |
| 23:54.09 | ross` | er wtf |
| 23:54.17 | ross` | does google have anything to do with location o.O |
| 23:54.57 | ross` | is there such thing as personal SEO |
| 23:55.02 | ross` | like maybe you have clicked that link with yoru ip |
| 23:55.07 | ross` | so many times |
| 23:55.10 | ross` | that it shows that for you |
| 23:55.38 | Corsix | I don't need to click that link, and I also rarely use opera, so it isn't a browser cookie thing |
| 23:56.27 | holger_ | umm. guys. this is #gsoc as in google summer of code. not as in google supports other crap. |
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| 23:58.07 | ross` | Corsix: mod studio magically poofed to #3 weird |
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