| 00:00.10 | nullpuppy | i want a cthulhu pony. tahts awesome. |
| 00:00.55 | caden|class | me too |
| 00:01.02 | caden|class | a real one i can ride to school |
| 00:01.09 | nullpuppy | haha, that'd be awesome |
| 00:01.12 | caden|class | that will eat people that drive slow in front of me |
| 00:01.18 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 00:01.24 | caden|class | sucking their souls into a dimension of unspeakable horror |
| 00:01.31 | nullpuppy | yup |
| 00:01.37 | ojwb | !numapps |
| 00:01.37 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
| 00:01.49 | ojwb | socinfo: forget numapps * |
| 00:01.50 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 00:01.56 | nullpuppy | there are some people at school i'd like to succomb to the same nightmare. |
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| 00:02.38 | ojwb | socinfo: learn numapps as This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam. There are 5900 proposals from 3500 students. |
| 00:02.39 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 00:28.47 | thebolt|away | hi webchick (et al) |
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| 00:40.20 | caden|class | > > |
| 00:40.22 | caden|class | < < |
| 00:40.26 | caden|class | !numapps |
| 00:40.26 | socinfo | "numapps" is This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam. There are 5900 proposals from 3500 students. |
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| 00:40.50 | Alex_GenMAPP | Would it be disruptive to increase our slot allocation by 1 at this time, after the deadline and during your analysis? Would you prefer that we wait until this initial assessment? |
| 00:41.58 | anothy_x | as of yesterday, anyway, they wanted that asap. |
| 00:42.21 | anothy_x | i believe lh said raising the number was more disruptive than lowering it (which makes sense) |
| 00:42.31 | ojwb | it was by 19:00 UTC IIRC |
| 00:43.40 | Alex_GenMAPP | Right. I got a number in there before the deadline. But I have new information from a mentor that would increase it by one. I'm wondering if it's better to squeeze that in now (e.g., if the analysis isn't too far along), or to wait. |
| 00:43.59 | ojwb | i'd guess they've taken a snapshot of the numbers |
| 00:44.31 | ojwb | but I suspect lh can give the definitive answer and she's not here |
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| 00:48.49 | Alex_GenMAPP | OK. I'll hold off, until I hear a definitive answer. Thanks for the reply |
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| 00:50.36 | caden|class | anyone care to give me a pep talk as to how statistics and data analysis are really important and i'll be glad someday i took this class? |
| 00:51.20 | nullpuppy | hmm. largely depends on what you're looking to go into really. |
| 00:51.51 | caden|class | for machine learning research? |
| 00:52.02 | allisterb | caden|class, statistics are important in every branch of learning |
| 00:52.03 | nullpuppy | well, data analysis I'm sure will be useful just about anywhere. statistics.. probably not quite as much, unless your doing algorithm analysis |
| 00:52.19 | allisterb | you won't ever regret you took it |
| 00:52.36 | nullpuppy | I also haven't taken statistics yet, so my input probably won't be as valuable as others ;) |
| 00:52.41 | caden|class | thank you (absorbing motivation) |
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| 01:50.29 | ojwb | you'll also be irritated by almost every news story you ever read |
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| 02:29.46 | nsquare | pretty quite :S |
| 02:30.12 | anothy_x | wait 'till tomorrow. ;-) |
| 02:30.45 | nsquare | quiet* :P |
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| 02:31.26 | nsquare | hey anothy_x :) |
| 02:34.27 | anothy_x | howdy |
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| 02:43.56 | nsquare | student? |
| 02:44.31 | ojwb | no thanks, I'm trying to give them up |
| 02:44.51 | nsquare | :S |
| 02:45.11 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 02:45.22 | nsquare | :P |
| 02:45.32 | ojwb | tries to work out how 1700 spam messages got passed the filter yesterday... |
| 02:46.03 | hypa7ia | ouch\ |
| 02:46.16 | hypa7ia | i get pissed if i get more than one spam in a day |
| 02:46.26 | nsquare | hey hypa7ia :) |
| 02:46.31 | Ownatik | how can you be so popular |
| 02:47.02 | hypa7ia | hey nsquare |
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| 02:47.42 | ojwb | Ownatik: that's pretty unusual - even before any filtering I never usually get anything like that |
| 02:47.57 | hypa7ia | ojwb: is it actual spam, or backscatter? |
| 02:48.06 | ojwb | actual spam |
| 02:48.21 | ojwb | it's very odd - dspam gets run up front for an SMTP-time reject |
| 02:48.37 | ojwb | and then again from procmail, because that's how it originally was and I never turned it off |
| 02:49.19 | ojwb | and these got caught by the second run, which usually gets one or two a month, presumably because training can happen between the two runs on the same message |
| 02:49.48 | ojwb | something is clearly broken, but unclear what |
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| 02:53.29 | hypa7ia | have you tried greylisting? |
| 02:53.46 | ojwb | no |
| 02:54.08 | ojwb | would like to, but it's not my box and the guy who runs it is perpetually busy recently |
| 02:54.48 | ojwb | perhaps I should just get a cheap virtual server somewhere - I'd probably save the cost of it in reduce time deleting spam |
| 02:58.19 | hypa7ia | ahh |
| 02:58.28 | hypa7ia | yeah, sounds worth it |
| 02:59.34 | ojwb | could also get a box a bit closer geographically (or topologically) - NZ to the UK can be a bit laggy at times |
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| 03:04.23 | hypa7ia | i bet |
| 03:04.36 | hypa7ia | my main shell is in toronto, but my mailserver is in .nl |
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| 03:05.52 | summatusmentis | ojwb: paraproc.com |
| 03:06.16 | summatusmentis | </shameless plug> |
| 03:06.19 | summatusmentis | I know the guy running it |
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| 03:17.18 | nsquare | is trying to concentrate |
| 03:19.35 | anothy_x | irc might not be the best help. ;-) |
| 03:22.46 | r0bby | /jj/jj2 |
| 03:26.04 | nullpuppy | irc+anything=irc. |
| 03:26.08 | nullpuppy | its a common rule of irc. |
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| 04:33.40 | Fou_Fou | ooo |
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| 04:36.37 | harrynguyen | ! |
| 04:36.47 | harrynguyen | !next |
| 04:36.47 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 05:02.30 | thebolt | hi |
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| 06:21.05 | ranjith | hi all |
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| 06:22.11 | yigit | !next |
| 06:22.12 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 06:22.32 | mogunus | It it acceptable to email my org? |
| 06:22.48 | mogunus | I haven't had any comments on my proposal. I am worried that this is because it is beneath consideration. |
| 06:23.05 | ojwb | sure |
| 06:23.10 | ojwb | it's good to talk to them |
| 06:23.11 | nullpuppy | yeah, perfectly fine (and actually recommended i think) to be in contact with them |
| 06:23.25 | ojwb | if it's a big org, they may just have a lot to deal with |
| 06:24.05 | mogunus | So I can email the mentors listed for the project without that being a serious breach of ettiquete or some such? I've never applied for SoC before. |
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| 06:24.45 | nsquare | ojwb: do mentors have option of subscribing to updates, for student proposals? |
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| 06:24.50 | ojwb | so long as your polite, I can't see it being misinterpreted |
| 06:24.52 | ojwb | yes |
| 06:25.03 | ojwb | (to nsquare) |
| 06:25.13 | nsquare | ok |
| 06:25.27 | ojwb | but nobody is by default |
| 06:25.46 | nsquare | because i have not got any replies on my comments, so i was wondering |
| 06:25.53 | nsquare | yeah |
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| 06:30.36 | td123 | nsquare: it's fine |
| 06:30.47 | td123 | nsquare: I had the same question earlier today |
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| 06:31.05 | nsquare | td123: ok |
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| 06:32.04 | td123 | this is a quote "we're not posting any further comments to students" this is from a person from the KDE project |
| 06:32.37 | td123 | dunno if it applies to the project you applied for though |
| 06:32.40 | ojwb | which seems a bit unhelpful, but they must have a huge pile of applications |
| 06:33.13 | ojwb | I guess it favours those who got their application in early and got feedback before the deadline |
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| 06:34.02 | nsquare | I had a comment on my proposal 3-4 days ago. i replied to that immediately, but nothing after that |
| 06:34.29 | nullpuppy | nsquare: yeah, i've had similar results. *shrugs* |
| 06:34.31 | ojwb | it's hard for me to say if that's good or bad or nothing |
| 06:34.43 | icez | i haven't had any comments at all :P |
| 06:34.44 | ojwb | you'll really have to ask them |
| 06:34.54 | nullpuppy | yup |
| 06:34.57 | ojwb | anyway, got to go out for a bit |
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| 06:36.42 | caden | nullpuppy is back! |
| 06:36.50 | nullpuppy | hehe, so i am! |
| 06:37.14 | caden | my hands smell like "goo gone".... who knew citrus could smell so lethal |
| 06:37.22 | tuxcanfly | lands on the ground |
| 06:37.23 | nullpuppy | haha |
| 06:37.30 | nullpuppy | what were you doing? |
| 06:39.31 | caden | well i am trying to save money as i adjust to the full time student life, and i have this tackle box that used to be a art box (stained with ink and charcoal) that was until today a computer toolbox (screws and cables) and i want to use to organize legos for my robotics class |
| 06:39.53 | caden | however it was covered with stickers from ten years ago which i now find a little embarrassing |
| 06:39.58 | caden | or just irrelevant |
| 06:39.59 | nullpuppy | haha |
| 06:40.00 | nullpuppy | nice |
| 06:40.11 | Landon | heh |
| 06:40.16 | Landon | could have just gone with rubbing alcohol |
| 06:40.17 | Landon | :p |
| 06:40.21 | Landon | less potent of a smell |
| 06:40.23 | caden | does that work? |
| 06:40.31 | caden | oh man i think that's more potent of a smell |
| 06:40.32 | Landon | yeah, for most stickers |
| 06:40.36 | Landon | I use it on my dvd cases |
| 06:40.42 | Landon | to get off price stickers |
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| 06:40.50 | Landon | (the cardboard cases too) |
| 06:40.55 | caden | i see.... and what do you do with these sterlized dvd cases |
| 06:41.03 | Landon | :P |
| 06:41.10 | Landon | I put them in my collection sans price sticker |
| 06:41.11 | Landon | ;0 |
| 06:41.13 | Landon | ;) |
| 06:41.28 | caden | takes notes that rubbing alcohol is probably the superior method because Landon *is* an overachiever |
| 06:41.45 | Landon | yowch |
| 06:41.51 | nsquare | \me cant concentrate |
| 06:41.53 | Landon | I only made a mockup and a few patches so far ;p |
| 06:41.59 | caden | it's a compliment |
| 06:41.59 | nsquare | oops :D |
| 06:42.07 | caden | only a reflection of my own inadequacies |
| 06:42.21 | Landon | if I was an overachiever |
| 06:42.37 | Landon | I wouldnt have started this assignement with 16 hours to go |
| 06:42.39 | Landon | >.< |
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| 06:43.00 | caden | hah |
| 06:43.02 | Landon | (writing an avl tree implementation of a dictionary from the binary tree up :( ) |
| 06:43.10 | caden | euw |
| 06:43.23 | Landon | I love how in this class we haven't even *talked* about big O |
| 06:43.28 | harlan | avl trees can be so ... unpleasant. |
| 06:43.46 | caden | someone brought in avl trees to the tutoring center for help and i almost started crying |
| 06:43.46 | nullpuppy | meh, i did avl this semsester, wasn't that bad. |
| 06:43.49 | nsquare | London: good luck with that :D |
| 06:43.55 | Landon | other than something like "This structure is a bit more efficient) |
| 06:43.57 | caden | "Why did you bring this here? I was done! Done with this crap!" |
| 06:44.01 | caden | i mean, useful crap |
| 06:44.08 | harlan | good b*trees are just much easier. |
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| 06:44.12 | Landon | useful crap, but why invent the rael |
| 06:44.16 | Landon | the rael? the wheel |
| 06:44.21 | Landon | reinvent the wheel |
| 06:44.21 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 06:44.24 | Landon | thats what I was going for |
| 06:44.25 | caden | yeah i'd rather use a data structure thousands of other people have tested |
| 06:44.36 | caden | than reimplement my own |
| 06:44.58 | harlan | if you really want misery, implement AVL trees as a disk-based data file. |
| 06:45.14 | harlan | watch the disk churn as you rebalance the tree. |
| 06:45.27 | Landon | ok |
| 06:45.32 | caden | recoils in horror at the thought |
| 06:45.33 | Landon | finally got all the methods and properties laid out |
| 06:45.33 | nullpuppy | hahah |
| 06:45.36 | Landon | yay for visual studio |
| 06:45.42 | Landon | now to fill them in |
| 06:45.43 | Landon | :( |
| 06:45.46 | caden | hah |
| 06:45.51 | Landon | doesn't think it has a button for that |
| 06:45.56 | nullpuppy | i still need to finish this damn graph assignment :/ |
| 06:46.17 | caden | man how come other peoples homework always looks better than one's own |
| 06:46.18 | nsquare | i have got a midterm tomorrow :P |
| 06:46.18 | nullpuppy | i've been playing spider solitare for the last hour and a half instead. |
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| 06:46.24 | caden | i mean, more fun |
| 06:46.28 | nsquare | its going to be all nighter |
| 06:46.38 | caden | nsquare: yikes |
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| 06:46.43 | nullpuppy | nsquare: :( i have finals in a week and a half. |
| 06:46.52 | nsquare | maths of cryptography :D |
| 06:46.54 | caden | does anyone want to tutor me in statistics? |
| 06:46.56 | Landon | I can't wait for the summer |
| 06:46.58 | Landon | house to myself |
| 06:46.58 | nullpuppy | oooh |
| 06:47.04 | Landon | + coding on OSS, gsoc regardless |
| 06:47.08 | nullpuppy | crypto. thats always fun. |
| 06:47.17 | caden | invites self and all of GSoC over to Landon's house |
| 06:47.23 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 06:47.34 | caden | i'll bring the.... oh hell i'm just showing up |
| 06:47.35 | Landon | :P |
| 06:47.38 | Landon | hah |
| 06:47.40 | nullpuppy | i won't have house to myself, but those other things, yep. |
| 06:47.43 | Landon | I've got three grills! |
| 06:47.48 | nullpuppy | oooh |
| 06:47.54 | Landon | granted, they're only 10 inches wide |
| 06:48.00 | nullpuppy | ick |
| 06:48.03 | caden | you'll feel lonely with just you and 3 grills, you'd better invite us over |
| 06:48.05 | Landon | and probably not good for too many uses |
| 06:48.11 | nullpuppy | i'll stick with my decent sized grill and orion cooker then. |
| 06:48.14 | caden | are they Foreman grills? |
| 06:48.15 | Landon | caden: sure, pay your own ticket |
| 06:48.15 | Landon | ;0 |
| 06:48.18 | Landon | caden: charcoal |
| 06:48.44 | caden | actually i have a ticket i need to use from a cancelled trip |
| 06:48.53 | caden | all you have to do is feed the channel your exact coordinates |
| 06:48.59 | caden | readies a note pad |
| 06:49.14 | Landon | 1 infinity drive |
| 06:49.31 | Landon | or whatever it is :P |
| 06:49.44 | caden | that's not very exact |
| 06:49.47 | Landon | if anyones interested though, I've got rooms to spare |
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| 06:49.56 | Landon | I am in the middle of nowhere though |
| 06:50.11 | caden | if only i had a team of elite hackers with high security clearance to call into action at times like this |
| 06:50.14 | nullpuppy | where is the middle of nowhere? |
| 06:50.19 | Landon | manhattan, KS |
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| 06:50.38 | nullpuppy | ah, yeah, that is. |
| 06:50.49 | caden | i didn't know there was an island in kansas ;) |
| 06:50.53 | nullpuppy | silly people going to school in landlocked states |
| 06:50.57 | Landon | :P |
| 06:50.57 | nullpuppy | LOL |
| 06:51.09 | caden | is that where sex in the city and seinfeld were filmed? |
| 06:51.20 | Landon | oh noes |
| 06:51.23 | Landon | I'm getting tired |
| 06:51.24 | Landon | :( |
| 06:51.27 | caden | me too |
| 06:51.33 | Landon | and I havent gotten a single useful line |
| 06:51.46 | caden | useful line? |
| 06:51.51 | caden | are you writing a screenplay? |
| 06:52.28 | nsquare | are you guys from US? |
| 06:52.39 | caden | i am-- chicago |
| 06:52.40 | nullpuppy | i is. |
| 06:52.42 | nullpuppy | seattle |
| 06:52.44 | caden | and you? |
| 06:52.52 | Landon | time to bust out my secret weapon |
| 06:52.53 | Landon | water |
| 06:52.54 | nsquare | atlanta |
| 06:53.31 | nsquare | so i guess everyone is working late night :P |
| 06:53.40 | nsquare | well, thats student life :) |
| 06:53.53 | Toba | u from america??!?! |
| 06:54.00 | Toba | omg a/s/l |
| 06:54.27 | nsquare | toba ? |
| 06:55.00 | Toba | beep beep beep http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/robbeck/sarcasm_meter.jpg |
| 06:55.10 | caden | i think landon's just *saying* he's from the states, everyone in the states knows that Manhattan isn't in Kansas |
| 06:55.33 | Toba | no it so is |
| 06:55.48 | Toba | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=manhattan,+kansas&sll=42.272816,-71.808204&sspn=0.011448,0.020342&ie=UTF8&z=12&iwloc=A |
| 06:55.52 | nsquare | haha. manhatten in kansas |
| 06:56.02 | caden | next thing you'll be saying paris is in texas |
| 06:56.26 | Toba | norway is in maine |
| 06:56.29 | Toba | i wouldn't be surprised |
| 06:56.33 | caden | or oregon is in wisconsin |
| 06:56.45 | Landon | caden: little apple, punk |
| 06:56.46 | Landon | :P |
| 06:57.10 | caden | do they really call it the little apple? |
| 06:57.31 | Landon | yeah |
| 06:57.51 | nsquare | there are many same-name-different-location cities |
| 06:58.48 | Landon | MHK is one of the top places to retire to :) |
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| 06:59.06 | Landon | too bad I'm here for almost the exact opposite reason |
| 06:59.17 | caden | mhk sounds like an airport code |
| 06:59.39 | nullpuppy | what is out there anyways? |
| 07:00.07 | Landon | kansas state university :P |
| 07:00.25 | nullpuppy | ah, alright |
| 07:00.28 | caden | what is your mascot? |
| 07:00.38 | Landon | wildcat |
| 07:00.56 | nullpuppy | isn't that one already taken by another school? |
| 07:01.08 | Landon | probably :P |
| 07:01.29 | Landon | like |
| 07:01.31 | Landon | at least a dozen |
| 07:01.37 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 07:01.48 | nsquare | buzz B) |
| 07:01.52 | nsquare | :P |
| 07:02.17 | nullpuppy | i don't have a mascot |
| 07:02.21 | nullpuppy | then again, we also don |
| 07:02.23 | nullpuppy | t have sports |
| 07:02.31 | nullpuppy | well, not real ones at least. |
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| 07:02.42 | nsquare | nullpuppy: which college? |
| 07:02.46 | nullpuppy | digipen |
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| 07:03.15 | nsquare | oh ok |
| 07:03.30 | nsquare | gatech kind of sucks in every sport other than football |
| 07:03.41 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 07:03.44 | nullpuppy | yeah. |
| 07:03.49 | cjhopman | badgers! |
| 07:03.50 | nullpuppy | we just make kick ass student games |
| 07:04.06 | caden | cjhopman: goooo badgers! |
| 07:04.06 | nsquare | this time they played pretty well |
| 07:04.32 | nsquare | we almost got into ACC final |
| 07:04.35 | cjhopman | nullpuppy: you mean like narbacular drop? |
| 07:04.51 | nullpuppy | yup |
| 07:05.14 | Landon | I was considering a school like digipen for a while |
| 07:05.18 | Landon | but then I wanted to go lower level |
| 07:05.27 | nullpuppy | tag won the best student game award at IGF this year. |
| 07:05.35 | nullpuppy | heh |
| 07:05.51 | nullpuppy | i'm working towards comp eng, so i'm messing with hardware instead of making games. |
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| 07:06.55 | nsquare | i guess you guys are undergrads |
| 07:06.57 | nsquare | right? |
| 07:07.00 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 07:07.02 | Landon | yeah |
| 07:07.06 | caden | is a grad student |
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| 07:07.18 | nsquare | cool :) |
| 07:07.19 | nullpuppy | awesome. |
| 07:07.23 | nsquare | me too :P |
| 07:07.25 | nullpuppy | whats your focus? |
| 07:07.41 | caden | nullpuppy: you mean everyone? |
| 07:08.11 | nullpuppy | sure. i was more curious about you grad students. |
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| 07:08.39 | kblin | morning |
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| 07:08.47 | nullpuppy | morning |
| 07:08.47 | nsquare | i have net sec + crypto concentration here |
| 07:08.57 | caden | i am finishing a masters this quarter which is general computer science and in the fall i start a phd at another school, hopefully applications of machine learning |
| 07:09.11 | nullpuppy | ah, alright. awesome. |
| 07:09.24 | nsquare | caden: PhD where? :) |
| 07:09.35 | caden | UW-Madison! with the badgers ! |
| 07:09.43 | kblin | caden: "applications of machine learning" sounds _very_ broad |
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| 07:10.02 | nsquare | caden: awesome :) |
| 07:10.12 | caden | @kblin, oh, it is--- i was interested in semantic web but they don't really do that at Madison, fortunatley there are several othe rgroups that use machine learning |
| 07:10.46 | caden | like computer vision, security, and medical diagnosis |
| 07:11.09 | kblin | caden: in my field, SVMs are the cool thing, ever since ANNs got out of fashion :) |
| 07:11.14 | caden | madison accepts you into the school instead of directly under a professor so you don't have to know immediately what exact research project you're working on |
| 07:11.28 | nsquare | caden: i know that uw has got pretty good net sec group as well |
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| 07:12.19 | caden | i am still trying to understand support vector machines. |
| 07:13.01 | caden | nsquare: i was an undergrad there too, about 10 years ago, and knew one of the security professors |
| 07:13.19 | kblin | the basic idea is pretty simple, of course I've never tried to write one |
| 07:13.22 | nsquare | caden: 10 years ago!!! wow |
| 07:13.44 | caden | nsquare: he told us some story about how his white hat hacker team of students got donna shalala's password and gave it to her to make a point |
| 07:13.46 | nsquare | btw are you talking about somesh jha :) |
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| 07:14.16 | caden | this was when she was working for madison and not absorbed into D.C. govt |
| 07:14.36 | caden | no dr. Bart Miller |
| 07:14.51 | caden | ihope i got the story right... that's a long time back to remember |
| 07:14.58 | caden | is old |
| 07:15.05 | nsquare | :D |
| 07:15.09 | caden | shrugs |
| 07:15.48 | nsquare | i guess gatech is pretty active in machine learning as well |
| 07:16.01 | caden | cool |
| 07:16.26 | nsquare | but dont have much of an idea. i am totally involved in net sec :) |
| 07:16.35 | caden | well we need net sec! |
| 07:16.50 | nullpuppy | well. i'm gonna head to bed. gnight all. |
| 07:16.56 | caden | that's a good idea |
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| 07:19.46 | kblin | speaking of net sec, anybody knows what's up with these ssh brute force attacks going on the last few days? |
| 07:20.09 | kblin | my box is up from one every few days to multiple attempts per hour |
| 07:21.49 | caden | really? i was just about to put mine back online |
| 07:21.58 | caden | i don't approve of this |
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| 07:22.06 | nsquare | well, one worm was "supposed to hit" on 1st april |
| 07:22.27 | nsquare | but i am not sure if it was ssh related |
| 07:23.02 | nsquare | conficker worm |
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| 07:24.52 | kblin | nsquare: but conficker was a windows-based worm, wasn't it? |
| 07:25.06 | nsquare | yes, its windows based |
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| 07:27.36 | Landon | kblin: some people in the LUG here have been noticing that too |
| 07:27.41 | Landon | :\ |
| 07:27.48 | Landon | I haven't myself, but I don't keep track |
| 07:28.28 | kblin | Landon: not seeing that on all servers I run, though |
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| 07:30.31 | Landon | interesting |
| 07:30.41 | Landon | nothing on one of the servers I run |
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| 07:35.12 | kblin | there, two new blocks set up by demyhosts since I asked |
| 07:35.37 | kblin | sighs and ponders turning off denyhosts email delivery |
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| 07:36.21 | Landon | woot, finished the tree balancer |
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| 07:37.39 | nsquare | is still struggling with maths |
| 07:37.47 | nsquare | :D |
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| 07:38.26 | Landon | I've got some image processing hw to do later :( |
| 07:38.30 | Landon | not looking forward to it |
| 07:38.39 | Landon | lots of fourier transformy stuff |
| 07:38.45 | nsquare | ahh |
| 07:38.52 | nsquare | never got that concept :P |
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| 07:39.36 | Landon | I have no idea how it work |
| 07:39.46 | Landon | but the applications are _amazing_ |
| 07:39.58 | nsquare | yeah |
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| 07:44.17 | thebolt | Landon: the maths behind it is the interesting and beautiful part.. |
| 07:44.21 | thebolt | the rest is just examples .P |
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| 07:44.58 | Landon | thebolt: I prefer the examples :P |
| 07:45.20 | nsquare | i dont like calculus |
| 07:45.21 | Landon | at least I can understand them ;) |
| 07:45.34 | nsquare | number theory is good, and hence i like cryptography :) |
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| 07:45.42 | Landon | heh |
| 07:45.49 | thebolt | nsquare: i am totally opposite |
| 07:46.05 | nsquare | :) |
| 07:46.09 | thebolt | i like (and studied alot) calculus, real/complex valued stuff is nice esp if it is continious.. |
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| 07:46.36 | thebolt | but number theory, discrete maths, probability (to some extent) bores me alot |
| 07:46.39 | thebolt | otoh, i am a applied physics & ee student so ;) |
| 07:46.48 | Landon | thebolt: right now I'm dealing with fourier transforms wrt image processing |
| 07:46.58 | Landon | all discrete |
| 07:47.20 | Landon | I don't think I go far enough into EE to learn about the applicaitons there |
| 07:47.33 | thebolt | Landon: well, the theory behind DCT comes from the continious one so |
| 07:47.48 | thebolt | s/DCT/DFT |
| 07:47.54 | Landon | heh yeah |
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| 07:48.17 | Landon | needs to finish this insert method >.< |
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| 08:24.27 | l0nwlf_ | !stats |
| 08:24.28 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
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| 08:30.00 | Ivanovic | moin |
| 08:31.11 | gitte | moin Ivanovic |
| 08:32.01 | Ivanovic | since lh saw the plans that my mastermind made up there is only one question left: will this plans have a chance to succeed? |
| 08:32.10 | Ivanovic | and if not: does pleading really help? |
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| 08:32.17 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 08:32.28 | gitte | Ivanovic: let code speak for you. |
| 08:32.28 | djc | !timeline |
| 08:32.29 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 08:32.43 | Landon | blimey, already 3:30 |
| 08:33.00 | Ivanovic | Landon: nah, it is already 10:30 |
| 08:33.03 | tntcoda | sorry if its OT, could someone tell me if in project, should a Requirements Analysis section explain what technologies will be used for specific requirements, or would that be better suited to the Design section and just go into lots of detail on specific requirements in the analysis :s/ |
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| 08:33.35 | Ivanovic | tntcoda: talk to your mentor org how they want to see things |
| 08:33.51 | tntcoda | sorry Ivan, its not related to my gsoc app |
| 08:33.52 | Ivanovic | those are the ones that will judge you and normally they do answer questions like these |
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| 08:33.56 | firesoul | !numapps |
| 08:33.56 | socinfo | "numapps" is This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam. There are 5900 proposals from 3500 students. |
| 08:33.58 | Ivanovic | ah, okay |
| 08:34.12 | gitte | tntcoda: communication often helps, I agree with Ivanovic. |
| 08:34.38 | Ivanovic | for a "normal project": do it like it "feels right" |
| 08:34.48 | tntcoda | yer, its for my uni dissertation |
| 08:34.57 | Ivanovic | this is the general approach i take when i have to write some paper/report/whatever for universtity classes |
| 08:35.11 | tntcoda | ok thanks, will start writing and hope it flows :) |
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| 08:36.04 | Ivanovic | after you have something you should try if it feels better when reordering or not (just thinking about how it would change the overall experience is enough, really doing it can end with lots of wasted time) |
| 08:36.26 | firesoul | lh's not in the channel ? |
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| 08:36.40 | tntcoda | brilliant thanks Ivanovic, makes alot of sense |
| 08:36.41 | Ivanovic | atm she is not, but there are logs and maybe she reads them... |
| 08:36.57 | gitte | firesoul: do the maths. It is something like 1:30 am in her part of the world. |
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| 08:37.01 | Ivanovic | but in general there are many others who might be able to answer questions |
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| 08:37.35 | firesoul | My bad gitte |
| 08:37.43 | firesoul | thank you.. |
| 08:38.06 | gitte | firesoul: hey, no bad done! |
| 08:39.11 | firesoul | so, gitte where are you from ? |
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| 08:39.42 | gitte | firesoul: ATM I am in UTC+0200 |
| 08:40.21 | firesoul | ATM ? |
| 08:40.34 | PearlJam | at the moment. |
| 08:40.35 | susscorfa | at the moment |
| 08:40.49 | firesoul | okies... |
| 08:41.00 | firesoul | thanks PearlJam susscorfa |
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| 08:43.28 | kblin | gitte: which is funny, given that not long ago you were at UTC+0100 ;) |
| 08:44.13 | Ivanovic | kblin: the same goes for you an me, too |
| 08:44.15 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 08:44.20 | kblin | Ivanovic: shh |
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| 08:45.11 | Ivanovic | ugh, not so much noise this early in the mornings... |
| 08:45.12 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 08:45.16 | gitte | kblin: yes, is it not? And during the last year, I was in UTC+0000, UTC+0100, UTC+0200, UTC-0500, UTC+0100, UTC-0800, UTC-0900, UTC-0500, UTC+0200, UTC+0100 (in that order) |
| 08:45.53 | gitte | (And now find my miscalculation ;-) |
| 08:46.27 | kblin | gitte: you started 2008 in the UK or Portugal? |
| 08:46.36 | kblin | hm, or Ireland, I guess |
| 08:46.50 | gitte | UK |
| 08:48.38 | kblin | hm, assuming you haven't been to moscow or anywhere in that area, I assume the CET/CEST switch was before a trip to the american east coast, then back to the UK, back to the americas, and back home |
| 08:49.12 | Ivanovic | short guess: the way back from the us was with a stop in heathrow |
| 08:49.37 | Ivanovic | (though this would be really inefficient) |
| 08:49.43 | kblin | Ivanovic: guess again: UTC-0500, UTC+0100, UTC-0800 |
| 08:49.56 | Ivanovic | kblin: it is too early for me, had no tea so far |
| 08:50.07 | kblin | hehe |
| 08:50.09 | Ivanovic | talk to me again in an hour any my brain might start to work |
| 08:50.31 | kblin | :) |
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| 08:51.05 | kblin | in an hour I hopefully got my act together and started working on my thesis :) |
| 08:51.11 | kblin | probably not, though |
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| 08:52.54 | thebolt | hm.. i've been pretty stationary here in utc+8 for some time now |
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| 08:53.20 | thebolt | will depart to utc+9 for a weekend in a couple of weeks.. then back to utc+8 for another couple of months before its time for utc+2 ;) |
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| 08:55.01 | thiago_home | has only been to +1, +2, +3, -2, -3, -7 and -8 in the past year |
| 08:55.29 | thiago_home | if you don't count airport connections |
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| 08:56.05 | Ivanovic | was only in +1, +2 and -7 last year |
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| 08:57.08 | kblin | I hope to keep travelling to a minimum this year |
| 08:57.15 | thebolt | last year i did hm, 0, +1, +2, +8, -8 |
| 08:57.18 | thebolt | i like traveling |
| 08:57.25 | kblin | apart from christmas vacationn |
| 08:57.32 | kblin | s/nn/n/ |
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| 08:57.48 | Ivanovic | i like traveling, too |
| 08:57.57 | Ivanovic | though since i study i have not been doing it too much |
| 08:57.59 | Ivanovic | ;( |
| 08:58.11 | thebolt | Ivanovic: same here |
| 08:58.18 | kblin | thebolt: I like being to other places.. I hate traveling |
| 08:58.34 | thebolt | kblin: i like both..i like the act of going somewhere in itself |
| 08:58.46 | Ivanovic | likes warmth, beaches and all this stuff |
| 08:58.53 | Ivanovic | something you barely find over here... |
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| 08:58.59 | thebolt | although 12 hour+ flights can be a bit hard.. |
| 08:59.02 | kblin | thebolt: I hate planes |
| 08:59.17 | thebolt | (like to the gsoc mentor summit last year.. 2*12 h flying with 55 hours in US inbetween) |
| 08:59.23 | kblin | thebolt: or rather, I hate flying economy |
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| 08:59.31 | thebolt | kblin: hehe :) |
| 08:59.37 | Ivanovic | thebolt: your times are not this bad |
| 08:59.52 | Ivanovic | that is: i had several hours to wait in heathrow |
| 09:00.14 | kblin | Ivanovic: ha, I had to run to catch my connection, as usual |
| 09:00.31 | Ivanovic | kblin: my plane back had >90mins delay |
| 09:00.38 | thebolt | Ivanovic: well, i had to stay overnight at the airport going there.. but yea, staying overnight at Taoyuan airport (south of taipei) is pretty nice |
| 09:00.42 | Ivanovic | and "normal" waiting time would have been something like 3h already... |
| 09:00.55 | thebolt | did it just week before last going to philippines |
| 09:01.01 | thebolt | will do in 14 days when i go to japan |
| 09:01.11 | schumaml | kblin: you don't get escorted to the connection? you're doing something wrong then |
| 09:01.23 | kblin | schumaml: in heathrow? |
| 09:01.33 | schumaml | no, in general |
| 09:01.38 | thebolt | there are no trains to get there for morning flights.. and i don't fancy paying for a taxi |
| 09:01.42 | thebolt | schumaml: never happened to me |
| 09:01.44 | schumaml | I even got a military escort once in CDG |
| 09:01.49 | LawnGnome | schumaml: Running's pretty normal everywhere I've been when you need to make a delayed connection. |
| 09:01.54 | thebolt | always have to find my way myself :P |
| 09:02.09 | kblin | schumaml: doesn't help you if the ceiling collapses, though ;) |
| 09:02.10 | Ivanovic | LawnGnome: exactly |
| 09:02.11 | LawnGnome | once covered two contact piers at KLIA in about three minutes. :P |
| 09:02.14 | Ivanovic | plain old running... |
| 09:03.22 | kblin | schumaml: so how did you get a military escort? toss your backpack and cry "for allah!" ? |
| 09:03.53 | kblin | waves at carnivore |
| 09:03.54 | Ivanovic | kblin: i think for this you don't get military escort, only police |
| 09:03.55 | thebolt | loves taoyuan airport actually.. no problem laying down there sleeping for five hours.. nobody else at all in the terminal but a security guard walking past three times |
| 09:04.06 | schumaml | kblin: timing |
| 09:04.13 | thebolt | and no risk anybody will steal your stuff |
| 09:04.15 | thebolt | (and free wifi :) |
| 09:04.51 | schumaml | I managed to get into on of their patrols, and they went in the same direction (and didn't mind me walking inbetween) |
| 09:05.04 | kblin | thebolt: the last time I spent a night at the airport I couldn't get any sleep.. St. Louis is damn noisy at night |
| 09:05.12 | kblin | hehe |
| 09:05.16 | thebolt | kblin: heh, only been there at day.. but can guess so |
| 09:05.32 | thebolt | kblin: this time i think we were maybe 10 people in the entire terminal after midnight (until 4:30ish) |
| 09:05.42 | thebolt | and they had nice leather couches to lay down on |
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| 09:05.47 | kblin | but basically the same, I got a 4:30 flight because it was dirt cheap |
| 09:05.52 | thebolt | as long as you take off your shoes nobody complains :) |
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| 09:06.01 | thebolt | heh, i had 8:30 flight (next time i have an 8:20) |
| 09:06.03 | kblin | and by staying at the airport, I even saved on hotel costs |
| 09:06.06 | thebolt | first train is at 7 :/ |
| 09:06.17 | thebolt | (and last at 23:20) |
| 09:06.45 | kblin | and St. Louis was sucky anyway, as the people I wanted to visit were out of town on a family emergency |
| 09:06.55 | thebolt | kblin: hehe, st louis sucks, yea |
| 09:07.02 | thebolt | been there for three months in total |
| 09:07.12 | thebolt | (the company i used to work for had their main office in st louis) |
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| 09:07.57 | kblin | thebolt: could be worse, though |
| 09:08.07 | kblin | thebolt: imagine working for novell |
| 09:08.16 | thebolt | kblin: well, it's really boring city |
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| 09:08.20 | thebolt | how would that be worse? ;) |
| 09:08.24 | kblin | thebolt: they've got their main office in Provo, Utah |
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| 09:08.55 | devvrat | !slots |
| 09:08.55 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 09:08.57 | kblin | thebolt: there's one place in the whole city allowed to serve alcohol, and that closes at 22:00 |
| 09:09.08 | thebolt | kblin: okay, that sucks :P |
| 09:09.14 | devvrat | still not out |
| 09:09.20 | kblin | thebolt: it's full of mormonts |
| 09:09.29 | kblin | s/mormonts/mormons/ |
| 09:09.40 | kblin | !timeline |
| 09:09.40 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 09:09.41 | [1]Jigg | http://gfg04.mybrute.com ... coolest game ever lmao |
| 09:09.44 | kblin | devvrat: ^^ |
| 09:10.00 | kblin | [1]Jigg: is that related to gsoc? |
| 09:10.14 | thebolt | kblin: :) |
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| 09:10.50 | thebolt | kblin: otoh, the city i live now has 400k inhabitants, two large universities (technical) of about 15k students each etc.. and two nightclubs and maybe 5 bars (all on same street) |
| 09:11.40 | kblin | thebolt: hehe |
| 09:11.47 | [1]Jigg | xD |
| 09:11.51 | susscorfa | :S |
| 09:12.02 | thebolt | (i guess even taipei is pretty low on total number of nightclubs etc.. given it has 3M inhabitants, but still enough to keep one satisified) |
| 09:12.32 | kblin | devvrat: the preliminary slot counts should be out today, but today as in "after lh gets up" |
| 09:12.44 | Upthorn | when can students expect orgs to know how many slots they--oh |
| 09:12.50 | devvrat | kblin: thanks :) |
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| 09:12.58 | kblin | devvrat: in the meanwhile, you might want to contemplate the zen of... |
| 09:12.59 | kblin | !when |
| 09:13.00 | socinfo | "when" is later |
| 09:13.24 | kblin | ;) |
| 09:14.11 | Ivanovic | short guess: in 10 we *might* know some preliminary slot numbers |
| 09:14.25 | Upthorn | I personally prefer the zen of "NO-DISC" blinking on a DVD player's display at 3AM |
| 09:14.49 | Ivanovic | thebolt: this is a joke, right? (regarding 400k people, two universities and only such a low number of "bars") |
| 09:15.02 | thebolt | Ivanovic: no, its not |
| 09:15.22 | Ivanovic | that is: if you count the small bars the students do handle themselves here in dortmund we already have >5 right at the campus |
| 09:15.31 | Ivanovic | okay, each open on a different evening during the week |
| 09:15.48 | thebolt | Ivanovic: well, lets say its maybe 10 bars if you count the small ones spread out that we never visit ;) |
| 09:15.49 | Ivanovic | but damn cheap and many young and funny people around |
| 09:16.27 | thebolt | most taiwanese (students) just don't drink like proper students i guess :P |
| 09:17.03 | Upthorn | man, all you guys who are complaining about how limited the drinking is in your cities |
| 09:17.03 | Ivanovic | (not to start counting in the "city", though there is a "pub tour" with the freshmen of our deartment each year, in a booklet we got a rather complete list of pubs/bars/nightclubs in the center, every bar only has about 5 lines and this booklet has ~30 pages... |
| 09:17.21 | Ivanovic | Upthorn: no way to complain about drinking facilities in dortmund |
| 09:17.27 | Upthorn | I can't drink alcohol _or_ caffeine at all, due to allergies. |
| 09:17.44 | kblin | Upthorn: ouch |
| 09:17.49 | thebolt | Upthorn: oh, that sucks |
| 09:18.19 | thebolt | Ivanovic: yea, germany is nice in that regards.. nice beer as well (although "Taiwan beer" is notr that bad actually) |
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| 09:18.50 | kblin | morning MatthewWilkes |
| 09:18.52 | Ivanovic | thebolt: i won't mention that dortmund is in some areas known as "beer town" |
| 09:18.54 | Upthorn | well caffeine isn't really an allergy so much as a hypersensitivity -- a single can of coke will keep me up for 24 hours |
| 09:19.13 | Upthorn | ... and give me heart palpitations |
| 09:19.18 | Ivanovic | (once upon the time many of the larger brweries (plus *lots* of small ones) were in dortmund) |
| 09:19.23 | Chainsaw | So it's not a good replacement for sleep then. |
| 09:19.36 | Upthorn | ... and make my eyes all red and itchy |
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| 09:20.04 | Upthorn | who just got banned, and why? |
| 09:20.19 | Upthorn | oh I see. |
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| 09:20.25 | kblin | Upthorn: that [1]Jig fellow, for spamming |
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| 09:21.05 | kblin | Upthorn: for a normal user I'd have let it slip, but if someone just joins, spams and leaves, not so much |
| 09:21.17 | Upthorn | it's the delay between the offense and the ban that had me confused |
| 09:21.37 | kblin | Upthorn: I was waiting if he'd contribute anything useful |
| 09:21.52 | Upthorn | the part message wasn't even still on my screen |
| 09:22.22 | kblin | Upthorn: are you IRCing from a cell phone? ;) |
| 09:22.46 | Upthorn | no, I have mirc maximized on a 1280x800 laptop monitor |
| 09:23.50 | Upthorn | I must correct my prior statement |
| 09:24.20 | Upthorn | asking who got banned is the line that scrolled [1]jigg's part off of my screen |
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| 09:29.00 | kblin | Upthorn: so I'm old and slow ;) |
| 09:29.11 | chunmun | the [1]jigg guy is spamming in #php as well :P |
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| 09:29.56 | Landon | wouldn't be any c# gurus here by any chance, eh? |
| 09:30.09 | kblin | chunmun: I ran a /whois, but he wasn't on any channel I was on but #gsoc |
| 09:30.33 | MatthewWilkes | hi kblin! |
| 09:30.39 | MatthewWilkes | Sorry for the delay, was in a scrum |
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| 09:31.09 | kblin | you're IRCing while playing rugby? |
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| 09:31.28 | She_betrayed | lol |
| 09:31.29 | chunmun | kblin: he aint there in #php anymore either.. :! |
| 09:32.53 | Upthorn | I am still not used to people taking c# seriously as a language |
| 09:33.05 | Upthorn | ditto java |
| 09:33.16 | kblin | Upthorn: I heard it wasn't all that bad, for an OO language |
| 09:33.39 | kblin | Upthorn: java is better than C++, from a design point of view |
| 09:33.48 | kblin | << smalltalk, of course |
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| 09:34.54 | chunmun | general query: once the orgs get to know no. of slots available to them, then only they can finalise the students rt? Say org likes 5 proposals, gets 4 slots then who decides who is the unlucky one to be dropped? |
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| 09:38.24 | Upthorn | I probably wouldn't be so averse to java if it were properly compiled into machine code, and the "standard library" type functionality could be modified/extended within the language itself |
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| 09:40.01 | gitte | Upthorn: then you completely missed the point of "compile once, run everywhere". |
| 09:40.26 | Upthorn | gitte: if java actually _achieved_ that, I would give it more lenience |
| 09:40.37 | p_l | well, I don't have much against JVM... but after working mainly in other languages, i cry having to write anything in Java the *language* |
| 09:40.57 | She_betrayed | python ftw |
| 09:40.57 | gitte | Upthorn: congratulations, you managed to fall down on my grading. |
| 09:41.22 | gitte | A good coder will code in _any_ language. |
| 09:41.29 | gitte | It is not the language that is bad. |
| 09:41.44 | p_l | and yes, portable machine code != portable applications. Unfortunately, many Java apps are not really portable (the good ones are) |
| 09:42.06 | She_betrayed | it varies to the requirement as well |
| 09:42.08 | Upthorn | uh, programming languages have their virtues and flaws, just like anything else |
| 09:42.23 | thebolt | gitte: well, java is supposed to be "compile once, run everywhere" but as far as i've seen its more like "compile once, debug everywhere" ;) |
| 09:42.31 | Upthorn | it is quite possible for a programming language to be bad |
| 09:42.34 | She_betrayed | :D |
| 09:42.35 | Upthorn | for instance, brainfuck |
| 09:42.53 | p_l | also, I'd love if someone finally fixed JVM's X11 libraries/toolkits |
| 09:42.57 | gitte | thebolt: now, I base my assumptions on a long history in coding. |
| 09:43.28 | gitte | thebolt: the last time my code did not run on a single platform but all the others was in 2006. A bug in the Java runtime that was fixed right away by Sun. |
| 09:43.39 | gitte | thebolt: I am really allergic to unfounded assumptions. |
| 09:44.06 | gitte | p_l: OpenJDK is GPLed. Don't whine, go and fix it. |
| 09:44.57 | Upthorn | gitte: if the JRE didn't have platform dependent behavior in certain aspects... and was more streamlined in terms of memory and CPU footprent, I wouldn't mind that Java doesn't compile to _real_ machine code |
| 09:45.26 | She_betrayed | seconded |
| 09:45.34 | thebolt | gitte: well, i am mostly a low/system-level programmer.. usually means doing stuff interacting with hardware which kind-of rules out java for me |
| 09:45.50 | p_l | gitte: Right now I'm not sure if the work needed is worth the time spent on getting acquaintained with internals of Java libraries |
| 09:46.00 | She_betrayed | too many java-lovers around :P |
| 09:46.12 | Upthorn | but my complaint about the inability of the java programmer to extend or modify the basic methods would still stand |
| 09:46.34 | gitte | p_l: my time is better spent in other ways than to listen to such whining, really. We are here to make the world a better place. Not a worse one. |
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| 09:46.54 | gitte | thebolt: system-level programming, granted. That is not what Java was designed for. |
| 09:47.02 | thebolt | gitte: i don't really have anything against java.. its not just for me :) |
| 09:47.08 | thebolt | (which is also why i haven |
| 09:47.15 | thebolt | haven't looked at it since v1.2 or so) |
| 09:47.22 | gitte | thebolt: OMG! |
| 09:47.26 | Upthorn | gitte: making the world a better place involves listening to and understanding what the problems are in the current one |
| 09:47.29 | gitte | thebolt: and you _dare_ say anything about it? |
| 09:47.40 | gitte | thebolt: wow. I was just about to take you seriously. |
| 09:47.47 | Upthorn | which means that listening to such whining is _exactly_ what you should be doing. |
| 09:47.56 | gitte | thebolt: having said that, I have successfully used JNA to access low-level libraries, but of course they were written in C. |
| 09:49.00 | gitte | Upthorn: no, it means that I scratch mostly my own itches. And then those itches that my friends have, or at least people I like. |
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| 09:49.21 | gitte | goes off to fix some bugs instead of continuing to participate in this wanking session ;-) |
| 09:49.31 | Upthorn | ... |
| 09:49.56 | p_l | is going to keep running Java apps in Xephyr&twm combo for now, more important projects to do than fixing broken libs :) |
| 09:50.09 | Upthorn | and you have further demonstrated that you don't even understand the term wank |
| 09:50.25 | thebolt | gitte: i said about my observation of other people writing java-code, not from my experience (i still have to use some java apps even if i don't write them :) |
| 09:51.45 | spx2 | is there any tool to recover .7z ? |
| 09:52.11 | Ivanovic | chunmun: the orgs decide who will be in and who not |
| 09:52.27 | Ivanovic | chunmun: that is: the mentors/admins/whatever gather and talk about their ranking |
| 09:52.35 | Ivanovic | the highest in the ranking with a mentor assigned are in |
| 09:52.38 | gitte | spx2: like in: corrupted .7z? |
| 09:53.13 | gitte | chunmun: of course, there are sometimes bad situations, when two very high-rated students apply for the _same_ project. |
| 09:53.23 | gitte | chunmun: in that case, a lower-ranked 3rd can win. |
| 09:53.32 | chunmun | gitte: ouch! |
| 09:53.35 | spx2 | gitte: yes |
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| 09:53.59 | gitte | spx2: I am not aware of such a tool, sorry. |
| 09:54.01 | Ivanovic | chunmun: stuff like this should be kept in mind when doing the ranking |
| 09:54.06 | Upthorn | spx2: have you tried opening the file in question with 7-Zip, itself? If you haven't, it might not actually be corrupted, just compressed with a format that your preferred archiver doesn't understand |
| 09:54.11 | Ivanovic | beside this you should also consider possible duplicates |
| 09:54.22 | Ivanovic | that is: many students submitted >1 proposals |
| 09:54.34 | Ivanovic | and those really good at your project might appear as good to other projects |
| 09:54.49 | ochot | Ivanovic: can mentors see how many proposals student handed in? |
| 09:54.53 | gitte | spx2: but I guess that .7z has a table of contents, so that you might at least be able to recover the non-corrupted streams. |
| 09:54.58 | chunmun | wish he had submitted multiple proposal.. |
| 09:55.00 | spx2 | Upthorn: no,rest assured ,it's corrupted alright |
| 09:55.01 | thebolt | Ivanovic: yea, that sucks :) |
| 09:55.21 | ochot | at least for their project I mean |
| 09:55.23 | Upthorn | ochot: I think they only get to see how many proposals the student handed in to their org |
| 09:55.28 | chunmun | didn't put multiple app this year after being a conflict last year |
| 09:55.32 | ochot | scratch that last sentence :-) |
| 09:55.53 | chunmun | now sits back and crosses his fingers |
| 09:56.06 | gitte | spx2: if there is a bit flip or something similar, I fear you lost some data right there. |
| 09:56.12 | ochot | Upthorn: yup..that's obvious (worst-case scenario they could count manually) |
| 09:56.12 | Ivanovic | chunmun: such a conflict should in general not lead to a student being ranked down, just gives the student the option to choose which one to take |
| 09:56.26 | Upthorn | only put in one app this year after seeing so much advice to "only apply for projects that you are sincerely interested in" |
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| 09:56.32 | Upthorn | first year applicant, btw |
| 09:56.39 | ochot | Upthorn: I did the same thing |
| 09:56.45 | chunmun | Ivanovic: yups. Last yr both the orgs mailed me asking my preference.. |
| 09:56.46 | ochot | Upthorn: one project, one application |
| 09:57.01 | ochot | we'll see how that goes |
| 09:57.04 | She_betrayed | too |
| 09:57.14 | thebolt | dinnertime |
| 09:57.34 | kblin | laundrytime :) |
| 09:57.38 | Ivanovic | we were lucky last year, had no conflict in our "really" top list |
| 09:57.41 | gitte | saw problems in 2-proposal students: the overall quality of the proposals suffers. |
| 09:57.42 | Upthorn | I think I have a reasonably good chance of getting the project I applied to |
| 09:57.43 | ochot | travel time |
| 09:57.52 | Ivanovic | and i hope that we won't have to solve a conflict this year either |
| 09:57.56 | She_betrayed | Upthorn: great |
| 09:58.15 | Ivanovic | gitte: yes, this is possible |
| 09:58.32 | Ivanovic | gitte: though it depends a lot on the person behind the proposal, not only on the proposal itself |
| 09:58.32 | gitte | Ivanovic: I know, I saw it. |
| 09:58.38 | Ivanovic | :) |
| 09:58.38 | ochot | I think I am the only one applying for that idea, but it depends on how that idea will rank to others I guess |
| 09:58.46 | kblin | Ivanovic: I think a good student can get in two good proposals easily |
| 09:58.52 | Ivanovic | you know, the mixture has to be right |
| 09:58.55 | Upthorn | since it is a greatly requested feature, and I have done similar work for other projects in the past |
| 09:59.26 | Ivanovic | the proposal should be well thought, the student be able to implement this proposal *and* the student should interact weel with the project and the other members of the project |
| 09:59.27 | kblin | Upthorn: IPv6 support? ;) |
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| 09:59.42 | Ivanovic | basically all three have to be fullfilled for a student to get in |
| 09:59.43 | Upthorn | kblin: haha |
| 10:00.10 | Ivanovic | being exceptional in one or two of those areas but close to zero at another is a likely cause of "won't work" |
| 10:00.21 | kblin | nods |
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| 10:00.52 | kblin | many orgs are unwilling to pick students with stellar applications that are unlikely to stay with the project |
| 10:01.07 | Upthorn | kblin: 16-bit graphics support for ScummVM |
| 10:01.20 | kblin | Upthorn: ah.. |
| 10:01.29 | Ivanovic | nice |
| 10:01.30 | kblin | Upthorn: what'd that be used for? :) |
| 10:01.32 | Upthorn | as in, support for games which use it |
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| 10:01.52 | Ivanovic | is still looking forward to playing discworld with scummvm |
| 10:02.02 | kblin | all my SCUMM-based adventures work, I'm happy |
| 10:02.25 | kblin | and grim fandango worked in wine :) |
| 10:02.35 | Ivanovic | kblin: by now scummvm supports *many* games that are not scumm based |
| 10:02.41 | Ivanovic | eg broken sword one and two |
| 10:02.42 | Upthorn | appearantly there was a series of games released by Humongous Entertainment that used a modified version of the SCUMM engine |
| 10:02.47 | Ivanovic | (both really good games) |
| 10:02.57 | Upthorn | to support 16-bit color graphics |
| 10:03.40 | kblin | Upthorn: well, in any case, scumvm++ |
| 10:04.02 | Ivanovic | eventually scummvm will be the one tool to run them all... |
| 10:04.04 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 10:04.15 | Upthorn | Ivanovic: well, all 2D adventure games |
| 10:04.29 | kblin | Upthorn: are there any others? ;) |
| 10:04.31 | Upthorn | it probably still won't run Japanese visual novels, or Doom |
| 10:04.56 | kblin | Upthorn: doom runs on linux. though ;) |
| 10:05.08 | Ivanovic | Upthorn: who knows, maybe infinity engine support will be merged into scummvm, too (baldurs gate and other) |
| 10:05.12 | kblin | which reminds me |
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| 10:05.23 | Upthorn | kblin: but does it run on vista, DS, PSP, Wii, Solaris... |
| 10:05.31 | Ivanovic | this would be so great, having planescape torment on the pandora... |
| 10:05.47 | kblin | Ivanovic: I wonder how they ported quake to andriod, bte |
| 10:05.49 | kblin | *btw |
| 10:05.51 | Upthorn | Ivanovic: that would be great |
| 10:06.11 | kblin | Upthorn: hm, let's see.. ID opensourced the engine... |
| 10:06.22 | Upthorn | or rather |
| 10:06.26 | Upthorn | Does it run on OS/2? |
| 10:06.36 | kblin | Upthorn: who still runs OS/2? |
| 10:06.47 | Upthorn | I don't know, but they are supported by ScummVM |
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| 10:07.14 | kblin | shrugs |
| 10:07.25 | kblin | I care about mainstream OSes |
| 10:07.45 | Ivanovic | cares especially about the systems he gets his hands on |
| 10:07.53 | Ivanovic | so who cares about windows vista at all? |
| 10:07.57 | Upthorn | kblin: I thought you mentioned linux a bit back :p |
| 10:08.00 | Ivanovic | (the same for other versions of windows) |
| 10:08.13 | kblin | if it works on win32, x86_64 linux and PPC OSX, it's probably going to be easy to port it to other platforms |
| 10:08.28 | gitte | Ivanovic: unfortunately, I have to care. Some of my users are on Vista. |
| 10:08.36 | Ivanovic | poor gitte |
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| 10:09.04 | kblin | gitte: 32bit, I take |
| 10:09.12 | gitte | kblin: nope, 64-bit. |
| 10:09.21 | gitte | kblin: at least it's amd64, not ia64. |
| 10:09.28 | kblin | there's that :) |
| 10:09.44 | kblin | gitte: so are there any 64bit killer apps yet? |
| 10:10.34 | gitte | kblin: absolutely. Think about processing 1.5G datasets. |
| 10:11.12 | gitte | kblin: now, just try to have a second copy in RAM. Cutting it close, right? |
| 10:11.30 | kblin | gitte: that stuff would probably work on 64bit anything... |
| 10:11.32 | gitte | kblin: and now comes the killer: the data was in bytes, but you have to calculate on it using floats. |
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| 10:12.21 | kblin | oh, fun |
| 10:12.26 | kblin | sounds like numerics :) |
| 10:13.53 | gurkee | !deadline |
| 10:13.54 | socinfo | "deadline" is see !timeline |
| 10:13.59 | gurkee | !timeline |
| 10:13.59 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 11:11.35 | xMDKx | morning to all (GMT -3 :)) |
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| 11:30.57 | Shannon90 | !slots |
| 11:30.57 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
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| 11:31.43 | socinfo | "when" is later |
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| 11:32.55 | ffuserff | Hii |
| 11:33.19 | I_love_her | hi ffuserff |
| 11:33.53 | ffuserff | wts up buddy |
| 11:34.33 | ffuserff | Hey what is that window copy text applet |
| 11:34.36 | I_love_her | waiting out for comments these days and questions by the mentors |
| 11:34.40 | ffuserff | why this opens.. |
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| 11:36.06 | I_love_her | dunno then...which client are you using |
| 11:36.17 | ffuserff | browser itself ya.. |
| 11:36.34 | ffuserff | I didnot downloaded the client soft,,to chat |
| 11:36.41 | I_love_her | k |
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| 11:37.05 | ffuserff | Hey...Let me come to point.. |
| 11:37.22 | ffuserff | r u joined in google summmer of code |
| 11:37.26 | ffuserff | ?? |
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| 11:38.06 | ffuserff | r u there..??? |
| 11:38.06 | I_love_her | I applied but the results are yet to come ;) |
| 11:38.28 | ffuserff | Oh..Can I apply for that now? |
| 11:38.57 | kblin | ffuserff: nope |
| 11:38.59 | I_love_her | nope...sorry buddy but the application period is over |
| 11:39.00 | kblin | !timeline |
| 11:39.01 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 11:39.03 | kblin | ^^^ |
| 11:39.13 | ffuserff | oh..I See.. |
| 11:39.24 | I_love_her | afk |
| 11:39.53 | ffuserff | afk means? |
| 11:40.00 | shyamheartbreakk | !extension |
| 11:40.01 | socinfo | "extension" is The deadline WAS NOT extended and WILL NOT be. Not even for you. |
| 11:40.08 | shyamheartbreakk | take that dude |
| 11:40.38 | ffuserff | oh... |
| 11:40.43 | ffuserff | ok... |
| 11:41.34 | ffuserff | Can I get the projects That is already done in the previous year? |
| 11:41.46 | ffuserff | in gsoc |
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| 11:42.20 | shyamheartbreakk | nope |
| 11:42.38 | ffuserff | K.. |
| 11:42.48 | kblin | hm? |
| 11:42.53 | shyamheartbreakk | those projects should have been completed by now anyways |
| 11:42.55 | kblin | ffuserff: sure, on the gsoc 2008 site |
| 11:43.10 | ffuserff | with source code? |
| 11:43.24 | kblin | ffuserff: the source code is uploaded to google source somewhere |
| 11:44.28 | ffuserff | ok.. |
| 11:44.38 | rohananil | ffuserff: http://code.google.com/soc/2008/ |
| 11:44.57 | rohananil | goto each organization , you will find the link to source code |
| 11:46.00 | rohananil | needs help with some v4l issue |
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| 12:12.53 | vikas | is there anyone here who applied to ASF |
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| 12:15.09 | ajuonline | !anyone |
| 12:15.10 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 12:23.31 | vikas | socinfo: thank you. |
| 12:23.31 | socinfo | Error: "thank" is not a valid command. |
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| 12:25.44 | PearlJam | vikas: er, socinfo is a bot :) |
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| 12:28.02 | iMaTh | hello |
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| 12:55.47 | homunq | !slots |
| 12:55.49 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
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| 13:06.18 | akaMaka | ðø |
| 13:06.21 | akaMaka | hi |
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| 13:08.04 | akaMaka | is there students or mentors |
| 13:08.11 | ajuonline | both |
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| 13:08.31 | hwked | !next |
| 13:08.31 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 13:09.21 | akaMaka | can u explain me how i should dialoguing with their would-be mentor if i dont in touch with him |
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| 13:10.13 | akaMaka | i even dont know exactly who is him |
| 13:10.22 | borja | !askyourorg |
| 13:10.23 | socinfo | "askyourorg" is You should ask the organization you are interested in applying as this varies per organization. |
| 13:10.52 | borja | socinfo: forget askyourorg |
| 13:10.52 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 13:11.09 | borja | socinfo: learn askyourorg as You should ask the organization you applied to, as this varies per organization. |
| 13:11.09 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 13:11.17 | borja | !askyourorg |
| 13:11.17 | socinfo | "askyourorg" is You should ask the organization you applied to, as this varies per organization. |
| 13:11.21 | Ivanovic | akaMaka: you do know the organization you applied to |
| 13:11.26 | Ivanovic | they will be able to help you |
| 13:11.32 | akaMaka | i know org |
| 13:11.38 | Ivanovic | they probably have some way to contact them, either via irc or mail or *whatever* |
| 13:11.45 | Ivanovic | talk to the org, they will help you |
| 13:11.52 | Ivanovic | and don't forget to check your application for comments |
| 13:11.53 | ojwb | there quite likely isn't a particular mentor lined up yet |
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| 13:12.10 | akaMaka | but mentor can be varios ppl from community |
| 13:12.10 | ojwb | just talk to the org |
| 13:12.19 | ojwb | yeah, so talk to the community |
| 13:12.29 | ojwb | hopefully someone can help |
| 13:12.57 | akaMaka | is there ppl from mysql? |
| 13:13.09 | ojwb | !anyone |
| 13:13.10 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 13:13.11 | t0ms | akaMaka: mentors? |
| 13:13.23 | akaMaka | yes |
| 13:13.32 | ojwb | akaMaka: see above |
| 13:13.40 | ojwb | this isn't the best place to look for them |
| 13:13.59 | hwked | i am not exactly sure how I should communicate with the mentors in this period, if they have any query regrading proposal they will comment on it |
| 13:13.59 | akaMaka | should i go #mysql-dev? |
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| 13:14.19 | ojwb | doesn't know if that's their preferred channel for gsoc stuf |
| 13:14.27 | t0ms | hwked: +1 |
| 13:14.33 | ojwb | possibly, but the link above has contact details for each org |
| 13:14.45 | hwked | besides, I did discuss the idea a lot with them before coming up with the proposal |
| 13:15.53 | Ivanovic | hwked: and talking to the community is what should be done now |
| 13:16.06 | Ivanovic | since for most cases mentors will be assigned depending on various "variables" |
| 13:16.07 | ojwb | if nothing else, just idling in their channel means they can easily find you if they need you |
| 13:16.15 | Ivanovic | variables like timezones the students are in, too |
| 13:16.32 | hwked | ojwb: yeah, I do that |
| 13:16.34 | t0ms | hwked: maybe try to fix some bugs, so they see you are trying to learn the code |
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| 13:16.54 | t0ms | and it's good for the project :) |
| 13:17.02 | ojwb | yeah |
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| 13:17.47 | hwked | t0ms: ah yes. maybe I could build sort of a prototype of a component that will be used in my project |
| 13:17.55 | t0ms | mhm, yes |
| 13:18.15 | hwked | my project is mostly UI based, so |
| 13:18.26 | t0ms | hwked: what is your project/proposal? |
| 13:18.37 | ojwb | or read docs and send patches to clarify poor wording or fix typos |
| 13:18.50 | hwked | t0ms: it's for providing frontend editing to joomla |
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| 13:19.32 | t0ms | hwked: joomla has a lot of stuff to work on :) |
| 13:19.48 | hwked | t0ms: I know :) |
| 13:21.02 | akaMaka | bb |
| 13:21.11 | t0ms | hwked: you can implement jQuery to the core :))) |
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| 13:30.12 | I_love_her | !lh |
| 13:30.12 | socinfo | "lh" is Leslie Hawthorn, Program Manager - Open Source; Geek Herder extraordinaire. This is who you turn to if you have very specific questions about GSoC whose answer applies only to you. |
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| 14:34.19 | summatusmentis | I realized today that the 'e' is very important |
| 14:34.29 | summatusmentis | if you leave it off, this program is called Summer of Cod |
| 14:34.40 | gitte | You don't like fish? |
| 14:34.41 | summatusmentis | which, while that may be delicious, is not what we're here for |
| 14:34.57 | gitte | Actually, it would be the 'Summr of Cod' |
| 14:35.00 | susscorfa | then it would still be summr of cod summatusmentis |
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| 14:35.17 | summatusmentis | meh, if you're gonna get all stickler about it |
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| 14:35.24 | summatusmentis | the point is, 'e's are important |
| 14:35.27 | summatusmentis | LANDON |
| 14:36.30 | gitte | summatusmntis: 'e' is overrated. |
| 14:36.36 | gitte | summatusmntis: see http://www.spinelessbooks.com/gadsby/ |
| 14:37.13 | summatusmentis | <3s 'e' |
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| 14:38.14 | gitte | But imagine the programme if it lacked all 'm's! |
| 14:38.44 | gitte | is vaguely reminded of some company in Utah... |
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| 14:40.57 | I_love_her | superb...better than shakespeare |
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| 14:41.07 | summatusmentis | goes to study for spanish |
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| 14:41.56 | borja | summatusmentis: spanish? |
| 14:42.01 | borja | knows a bit about that |
| 14:42.04 | holger | hmm. my subscription to the mentors list still seems to be "pending". is there anything special needed or should i just continue to wait? |
| 14:42.10 | summatusmentis | borja: yeh, my spanish lit class |
| 14:42.22 | borja | summatusmentis: what texts are you reading for the class? |
| 14:42.41 | summatusmentis | it's generally short stories or poems |
| 14:42.47 | borja | aha |
| 14:42.56 | summatusmentis | Lorca, Rojas, Machado, Serna, Borges |
| 14:42.58 | summatusmentis | etc. etc. |
| 14:43.12 | araujo | recommendas summatusmentis Neruda |
| 14:43.21 | summatusmentis | it's not all Spain, a fair amount of Latin America too |
| 14:43.25 | summatusmentis | we've read some Neruda |
| 14:43.30 | araujo | :) |
| 14:43.38 | borja | Actually, I was never that much into Spanish literature (despite being Spanish); I always preferred English literature, and I think it was because I had an awesome English lit teacher, and a terrible Spanish lit one, which scarred me for life |
| 14:44.04 | borja | Our Spanish lit teacher insisted that we read the unabridged Quijote in 10th grade |
| 14:44.15 | araujo | haha |
| 14:44.57 | summatusmentis | araujo: Puedo escribir los versos más tristes esta noche was awesome |
| 14:45.10 | summatusmentis | borja: see, I'm enjoying spanish lit way more than english lit |
| 14:45.17 | summatusmentis | but I'm not very lit oriented |
| 14:45.21 | summatusmentis | so it still sucks :) |
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| 14:45.28 | borja | summatusmentis: have you read any Becquer? |
| 14:45.37 | araujo | summatusmentis, yeah, neruda ftw |
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| 14:46.23 | summatusmentis | borja: yep, Rima XVII |
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| 14:47.27 | borja | summatusmentis: my favorite is ¿Qué es poesÃa? (http://users.ipfw.edu/jehle/poesia/queespoe.htm) |
| 14:47.50 | gitte | holger: sorry, you'll have to wait. |
| 14:47.56 | borja | Although, for Spaniards, that's the equivalent of "Shall I compare thee to a summer's day...". It's so well known, that quoting it is kinda campy |
| 14:47.57 | gitte | holger: but you sure can nudge the mentors a bit. |
| 14:48.11 | gitte | holger: for example on IRC... In our org, that helps, at least. |
| 14:48.41 | borja | gitte: I think what's pending is his subscription to the mentors mailing list, not his mentor role on Melange |
| 14:48.46 | borja | holger: is that the case? |
| 14:48.49 | holger | borja: right |
| 14:48.53 | gitte | Ah. |
| 14:48.56 | gitte | Sorry. |
| 14:49.29 | summatusmentis | borja: I also really liked Salinas |
| 14:49.31 | borja | holger: In that case, I think you need to ping lh and let her know that you subscribed and are, in fact, a mentor. She automatically subscribed all the mentors periodically, but sometimes people sign up with alternate addresses and it's not immediatelly obvious from the address that the person is a mentor |
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| 14:49.44 | summatusmentis | Salinas' Para vivir no quiero.... |
| 14:50.33 | borja | summatusmentis: cool |
| 14:51.01 | summatusmentis | meh, it's all literature :) |
| 14:52.12 | holger | well. technically i'm not a mentor _yet_, but the student wants us and we want the student ;) |
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| 14:54.12 | borja | holger: If you're a mentor in Melange, I think you're a mentor as far as being on the mentors-only mailing list is concerned |
| 14:54.32 | borja | holger: We have a lot of mentors who still haven't been assigned to a student, but they're in Melange and on the mailing list |
| 14:54.37 | holger | k. will ping lh then. |
| 14:54.45 | borja | (we == the org I'm in) |
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| 15:04.34 | borja | waves to lh |
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| 15:25.15 | ArthurLiu | so, today is actually "Thursday, April 7th." ? :D |
| 15:26.45 | mmadia | How will the organizations be informed of the preliminary student allocation numbers ? |
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| 15:28.18 | Ivanovic | via a mail to the mentor list |
| 15:28.48 | Ivanovic | lh: since you saw my great plans, how are chances for them to succeed? and does pleading really help? |
| 15:28.49 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 15:28.54 | mmadia | thanks Ivanovic, |
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| 15:33.25 | lh | Ivanovic: where are the patches for melange? hrm? |
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| 15:33.48 | gitte | snickers |
| 15:34.01 | lh | has decided bribery in patch form still keeps her karma clean |
| 15:34.52 | Ivanovic | saw this strange agreement you got to sign and feels not good with giving away "ownership" of the code |
| 15:34.54 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 15:35.53 | lh | Ivanovic: mrph. you are not the only one with this issue. |
| 15:36.18 | gitte | Ivanovic: but you keep authorship, no? |
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| 15:37.16 | Ivanovic | gitte: first thing is that this doc is not valid for me anyway since i am doing the work in germany and there you can in fact not give up ownership |
| 15:37.30 | Ivanovic | so signing a contract that is invalid anyway sounds *strange* to me |
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| 15:39.17 | hypa7ia | Ivanovic: you can't assign copyright at all in germany? |
| 15:39.39 | Ivanovic | hypa7ia: it is not possible to give up copyright |
| 15:39.58 | gitte | Ivanovic: but it is quite possible to pass it to somebody else, by contract. |
| 15:40.07 | hypa7ia | yeah - to assign a license |
| 15:40.18 | Ivanovic | gitte: in fact not |
| 15:40.27 | Ivanovic | you can only *license* the stuff to someone |
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| 15:40.41 | gitte | hypa7ia: even worse: you can give up the right to license your own work. Typically you give it up in exchange for money. |
| 15:40.58 | hypa7ia | yea, in canada and the US that's "works for hire" |
| 15:41.03 | Ivanovic | if you understand german: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urheberrecht#Deutschland |
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| 15:41.12 | hypa7ia | i can muddle through |
| 15:41.20 | gitte | translate.google.com |
| 15:41.25 | gitte | For some fun... |
| 15:41.36 | summatusmentis | people need to stop recommending that :) |
| 15:41.46 | summatusmentis | unless you're really just trying to get the gist of it |
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| 15:41.59 | Ivanovic | especially for some "lawyer like" documents the results tend to be ridiculous |
| 15:42.19 | Ivanovic | and explaining how copyright works in germany is lawyer like stuff... |
| 15:43.06 | hypa7ia | i wonder, i think in this case because you're assigning code to a US company, US law applies |
| 15:43.21 | hypa7ia | but that' |
| 15:43.23 | hypa7ia | err |
| 15:43.25 | hypa7ia | that's just a guess |
| 15:43.26 | Ivanovic | hypa7ia: at least in regards of payment and all this stuff *local* law applies |
| 15:43.43 | Ivanovic | cf summer of code and you need to have a working allowance to work in the country you code |
| 15:43.59 | thebolt | hypa7ia: when you do work its usually the place the work is physically done that matters |
| 15:44.09 | Ivanovic | so i would be suprised if for the stuff you *produce* local law does not matter most |
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| 15:44.44 | gitte | Ivanovic: in any case, here in Open Source, we tend to try to do the Right Thing, so even if you're not legally entitled to pass of your ownership, you do understand the idea, and can adher to it. |
| 15:45.10 | Ivanovic | gitte: yeah, but i don't understand the idea of signing a contract for this |
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| 15:45.43 | Ivanovic | basically i produce something, license this work under the license the "project" needs it (if i accept this) and they can use it |
| 15:46.02 | gitte | Ivanovic: I don't understand why you bitch about it when you could just have done the patches and got some slots in exchange. |
| 15:46.17 | gitte | meant to append "instead" to that. |
| 15:46.31 | hypa7ia | a lot of projects ask for a copyright assignment for one of 2 reasons |
| 15:46.43 | hypa7ia | 1) to make it easier to manage copyrights (eg. gnu) |
| 15:47.15 | hypa7ia | 2) to be able to sell your code in a non-gpl contect, aka dual-licensing (eg. asterisk and others) |
| 15:47.22 | hypa7ia | openoffice does this too |
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| 15:47.57 | Ivanovic | and do i personally have to like this? |
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| 15:48.09 | hypa7ia | no, but if you want to get your patches in to an organization which does either of the above, you tend to have to sign it :/ |
| 15:48.33 | Ivanovic | hypa7ia: exactly |
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| 15:48.48 | hypa7ia | well, you said you didn't understand, not that you didn't like |
| 15:48.53 | hypa7ia | so i was trying to explain :) |
| 15:48.54 | Ivanovic | and such a contract makes me think about it more before creating patches |
| 15:49.08 | hypa7ia | absolutely |
| 15:49.10 | hypa7ia | as it should |
| 15:51.24 | Ivanovic | beside this melange does work rather nicely for me |
| 15:51.25 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 15:52.55 | gitte | I am actually more interested in knowing if there has been some work to make it a breeze to get a dev environment going. |
| 15:52.59 | gitte | To hack on Melange. |
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| 15:53.50 | gitte | slaps her head. |
| 15:54.11 | gitte | It's all in "GettingStarted": http://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/GettingStarted |
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| 15:58.51 | holger | ivanovic: i think it is safe to assume you're _only_ covered by german law if you're a german working in germany. |
| 15:59.28 | thebolt | hypa7ia: i'm pretty sure german law might apply if oyu are any other citizen working in germanyas well.. why would you otherwise need a working visa to work in places? ;) |
| 15:59.35 | holger | which is why any contract should provide a clause for the case where you can't transfer copyright. (usually some sort of licensing takes over) |
| 15:59.36 | thebolt | bah.. holger* |
| 15:59.37 | Ivanovic | holger: but this i am |
| 15:59.56 | holger | Ivanovic: gathered as much ;) |
| 15:59.58 | hypa7ia | that's a good point |
| 15:59.59 | hypa7ia | :) |
| 16:00.37 | gitte | Are you really sure it is a good idea to discuss legal things here, none of us being a lawyer (assumption on my part). |
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| 16:01.29 | hypa7ia | isn't a lawyer, she was just raised by a wild pack of them |
| 16:01.51 | gitte | laughs |
| 16:01.57 | thebolt | gitte: as far as i know people usually discuss alot of subjects in which they are not experts |
| 16:02.10 | thebolt | i tend to discuss the weather every now and then, but i am not a meteorologist :P |
| 16:02.42 | gitte | thebolt: but at least you understand it. |
| 16:02.45 | holger | thebolt: well. you could probably construct a case in which german law isn't the only law applying in that case. |
| 16:03.00 | gitte | thebolt: when it is freezing cold, and you cannot take your skis but have to work, it is bad weather. |
| 16:03.06 | gitte | thebolt: that is simple. |
| 16:03.08 | holger | for example, germany holds the view that german law extends to all german citizens, whereever they are. |
| 16:03.16 | thebolt | gitte: nobody understands weather ;) |
| 16:03.26 | thebolt | holger: true.. Sweden does that for some things (but not for all things) |
| 16:04.45 | thebolt | hm, i guess i'd better get to bed.. after midnight already |
| 16:04.49 | gitte | sees that melange contains a fork of googleappengine. |
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| 16:09.26 | lh | gitte: ask in #melange? project lead is there now, i would be curious about answer too |
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| 16:09.36 | lh | gitte: oh nm |
| 16:10.03 | gitte | lh: no problem |
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| 16:10.29 | gitte | lh: I usually use my l33t IRC skillz to ping SRabbelier, our young friend who has a hat now. |
| 16:11.31 | lh | gitte: i am confident he always had a hat, but i also sent an extra hat to .nl for him |
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| 16:11.42 | gitte | Hehe. |
| 16:12.02 | lh | gitte: we can't let SRabbelier go hatless. it's quite cold in .nl at times. |
| 16:12.24 | gitte | lh: see this: http://repo.or.cz/w/git/dscho.git?a=blob_plain;hb=37f819e4ce4788efd55091e9e5d0c562f023c096;f=index.html#1232607201 |
| 16:12.54 | lh | gitte: i was there for the hat moment 'twas lovely. |
| 16:13.11 | gitte | Yes, I have fond memories. |
| 16:13.29 | juanger | Hi, does anybody know if there's a way to delete comments?? I posted a comment, but it was posted multiple times |
| 16:14.07 | lh | gitte: me too. you guys looked like you were having such a good time. |
| 16:14.17 | hypa7ia | in fact i think it's usually cold and soggy in .nl |
| 16:14.40 | gitte | lh: it was absolutely fabulous... lots of good talks, and lots of nice comments during the talks in IRC ;-) |
| 16:14.42 | lh | hypa7ia: it has always been cold when i was there, though never soggy. either sunny and chill breeze or snowing. |
| 16:14.59 | lh | gitte: you should all do it again some time |
| 16:15.01 | hypa7ia | i've mostly been there in the winter |
| 16:15.19 | gitte | juanger: I thought I remembered you could delete comments, but now I do not find an option either. |
| 16:15.26 | gitte | lh: yes... |
| 16:15.27 | holger | lh: how long do subs to mentor list usually take? |
| 16:15.38 | gitte | lh: http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitTogether |
| 16:15.50 | lh | holger: oh a few days, you need to be added? |
| 16:15.51 | gitte | hypa7ia: in summer, it is actually quite nice... |
| 16:16.03 | hypa7ia | i can believe that :) |
| 16:16.15 | holger | lh: pending for two days now. was wondering if that was normal. |
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| 16:16.21 | lh | gitte: you should totally git together here. we have food. and hot breakfast. |
| 16:16.26 | hypa7ia | i was mostly just making fun, my bf is from .nl and moved here (.ca) partly because of the weather |
| 16:16.39 | gitte | lh: that was partly our hope! |
| 16:16.39 | lh | holger: actually i auto sub people from the registered list of mentors in the web app so i deny all sub requests |
| 16:17.03 | lh | holger: every year when the program happens i get about 50 requests per day to subscribe, most of which are bunk. |
| 16:17.04 | gitte | lh: but in the meantime, we also put together a little plan to at least meet one day in Berlin, sort of a regional GitTogether... |
| 16:17.07 | lh | goes to look at list |
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| 16:17.19 | lh | gitte: how many gitsters are in .de? |
| 16:17.24 | juanger | gitte: yes, I can't find it |
| 16:17.28 | gitte | hypa7ia: heh, but Canada in winter is... cold! |
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| 16:17.42 | gitte | lh: the one and only gitster lives in Los Angeles ;-) |
| 16:18.00 | gitte | lh: but other than that, there are a lot of Gits from Germany hanging out on #git... |
| 16:18.10 | lh | fascinating. |
| 16:18.13 | xorAxAx | and have a short smoggy life expectancy :) |
| 16:18.18 | lh | adds this to her list of cultural lore |
| 16:18.29 | gitte | grins |
| 16:18.38 | xorAxAx | (better than dying of stress though) |
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| 16:18.43 | lh | holger: please remind me what org you are a mentor for - i assume it's both videolan and fedora |
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| 16:19.40 | lh | gitte: one of these days i am going to get a doctorate in anthropology and write my magnum opus - "The Life of the Open Source Hackers in Their Natural Environs: The Bar, The Pub, The Pedantic and Beyond" |
| 16:19.41 | holger | lh: no, just videolan. why fedora? |
| 16:19.59 | lh | holger: whois tells me you are in a fedora channel. i was making an assumption. i remembered videolan. |
| 16:20.12 | lh | holger: fixed |
| 16:20.17 | gitte | lh: that sounds _awesome_! |
| 16:20.21 | lh | holger: assuming groups doesn't barf, hang on. |
| 16:20.28 | gitte | lh: be sure to send me an early draft... |
| 16:20.33 | lh | gitte: i think i might actually do it too |
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| 16:20.51 | holger | lh: ah, k. no i am just a happy fedora user. no direct conns to them. |
| 16:20.53 | lh | holger: le sigh. groups barfed. hang on, seeing if i can make it happy. |
| 16:21.03 | Corsix | This is for hackers with laptops, who take laptop to bar/pub to code |
| 16:21.05 | maruel | lh: is there a way to send an email to a student from the socghop app? |
| 16:21.12 | Corsix | otherwise you're missing the environ for IRC and coding |
| 16:21.19 | maruel | it seems that the students aren't subscribed to the comments |
| 16:21.19 | lh | maruel: not at this time no |
| 16:21.20 | gitte | lh: you really should. Someone who understands us geeks needs to get the word out. |
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| 16:21.37 | lh | Corsix: you can bring an evdo card to the bar. i do. :) |
| 16:21.46 | lh | gitte: it's on the ever growing list of things to do. |
| 16:21.49 | gitte | lh: I meant, someone who can get us geeks to be understood... |
| 16:22.01 | gitte | lh: lol. I know exactly what you are talking about. |
| 16:22.16 | lh | speaks softly and soothingly to groups.google.com, asks it to comply |
| 16:22.29 | gitte | Heh. |
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| 16:22.37 | lh | gitte: works better than cursing at it. |
| 16:22.43 | lh | tried that too. it didn't work either. |
| 16:22.50 | gitte | stops importing Melange's svn into git, having found SRabbelier's git-svn clone... |
| 16:22.58 | Ivanovic | lh: have you tried to use coffee to make it do what you want it to? |
| 16:22.59 | lh | holger: try now? i am getting an error but you are no longer on the pending add list |
| 16:23.11 | gitte | lh: I reserve those cursing moments to very special occasions, when everything else fails. |
| 16:23.12 | lh | Ivanovic: no. i figured that might harm the server hardware. |
| 16:23.18 | gitte | lh: sometimes I even use the Linus key! ;-) |
| 16:23.55 | lh | uses google |
| 16:24.09 | Ivanovic | lh: ask the engenieers to provide you with access for this "coffee boost" |
| 16:24.12 | holger | lh: works now. thanks. |
| 16:24.18 | lh | holger: great |
| 16:24.30 | lh | Ivanovic: then i would have to share the coffee with them. i am not sure this serves my needs. |
| 16:24.38 | lh | i mean i like sharing. but it is coffee. |
| 16:24.41 | Corsix | sharing is caring |
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| 16:24.54 | Ivanovic | ah, this is our loved coffee addict... |
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| 16:24.55 | lh | hypa7ia: awesome responses on the twitter update pre-vegas btw. it was so nice to have you there in solidarity. |
| 16:24.55 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 16:25.06 | lh | mutters something about hussies on her plane to vegas. |
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| 16:28.38 | hypa7ia | lh: hehe, regarding the flamethrower? |
| 16:28.41 | hypa7ia | oh, vegas. |
| 16:28.43 | lh | hypa7ia: yes. |
| 16:28.56 | lh | i am glad i didn't have the flamethrower. i fear i might have used it. |
| 16:28.58 | lh | good. lord. |
| 16:29.19 | hypa7ia | giggles |
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| 16:29.33 | hypa7ia | vegas has the most amazing all-you-can-eat sushi to make up for it |
| 16:29.33 | lh | "I am taking away this communication device from you until you are old enough to use it. Or grow a few more brain cells." |
| 16:29.45 | lh | hypa7ia: can't eat sushi but enjoyed the filet greatly |
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| 16:30.00 | hypa7ia | nom nom |
| 16:30.29 | nerd_boy_ | hypa7ia: Wait? What? Where? >_> |
| 16:30.58 | hypa7ia | nerd_boy_: off the strip, it's called makino |
| 16:31.01 | hypa7ia | super awesome |
| 16:31.05 | hypa7ia | there are 3 locations i think? |
| 16:31.11 | nerd_boy_ | huggles hypa7ia |
| 16:31.18 | hypa7ia | o_0 |
| 16:31.25 | SRabbelier | gitte: did I just see that you were cloning Melange? |
| 16:31.25 | nerd_boy_ | I might be going there for a bit in the fall, so huzzah! |
| 16:31.35 | lh | nerd_boy_: what the hell? do you know hypa7ia? |
| 16:31.43 | nerd_boy_ | lh: Um, no? >_> |
| 16:31.44 | gitte | SRabbelier: you saw that right. |
| 16:31.52 | nerd_boy_ | I just really really like the concept of all you can eat sushi. |
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| 16:32.01 | SRabbelier | gitte: what are you planning? |
| 16:32.10 | gitte | SRabbelier: stop whining, start contributing. |
| 16:32.16 | nerd_boy_ | I'm guessing no more huggling? ._. |
| 16:32.17 | SRabbelier | gitte: surely no "if org.name == 'fuji':" patches? :P |
| 16:32.24 | SRabbelier | gitte: win :) |
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| 16:32.54 | lh | nerd_boy_: please to restrain the huggles to folks you know. i do. |
| 16:32.59 | gitte | SRabbelier: well, I was actually thinking of a link back from the public comments page to the page where you can add private comments and see the current rating. |
| 16:33.01 | nerd_boy_ | Terribly sorry. |
| 16:33.13 | SRabbelier | gitte: the /review one? |
| 16:33.18 | gitte | SRabbelier: and about a patch that shows to multi-org mentors what org the current one applied to. |
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| 16:33.30 | lh | nerd_boy_: quite all right, thank you for being open to the request. |
| 16:33.30 | gitte | SRabbelier: I think yes. |
| 16:33.32 | gitte | checks. |
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| 16:33.51 | hypa7ia | nerd_boy_: it's cool, i understand the enthusiasm |
| 16:33.54 | lh | gitte: are you patching melange? |
| 16:34.11 | hypa7ia | nerd_boy_: out of the blue huggling can just come off as creepy when one is a Girl On The Internets |
| 16:34.12 | lh | serves tea, coffee and biscuits for all |
| 16:34.14 | lh | it's a lovely day |
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| 16:34.34 | nerd_boy_ | Um, in my defense, I wasn't aware of your gender. I don't lurk enough, I guess. |
| 16:34.35 | nerd_boy_ | <_< |
| 16:34.51 | SRabbelier | gitte: win! :) |
| 16:35.02 | gitte | lh: well, actually, I am technically half an hour overdue with the start of my Easter vacation, but what the heck... :-) |
| 16:35.17 | lh | realizes she makes bad assumptions all the time that everyone knows each other because she knows a lot a lot of people |
| 16:35.19 | SRabbelier | gitte: your Easter vacation does not include hacking on melange? :( |
| 16:35.30 | lh | gitte: then go on vacation dude. |
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| 16:35.59 | gitte | Heh. |
| 16:36.22 | summatusmentis | hypa7ia: is that a registered designation? GOTI ? |
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| 16:36.26 | hypa7ia | summatusmentis: yup |
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| 16:36.38 | summatusmentis | keeps that in mind for future reference |
| 16:36.39 | hypa7ia | summatusmentis: people think we don't exist, but it's not true! |
| 16:37.08 | summatusmentis | haha, a large portion of the people I enjoy talking to are GOTIs |
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| 16:38.20 | summatusmentis | goes back tp spanish lit :( |
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| 16:40.20 | lh | summatusmentis: enjoy. :) |
| 16:41.41 | summatusmentis | lh: ugh, my mind does not do literature well |
| 16:42.09 | lh | sends summatusmentis a bit of her lit lovin' brain |
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| 16:43.44 | homunq | sees that the channel is hoppin', and wonders if he's missed the news expected for today... |
| 16:44.22 | lh | homunq: nope, it just hops in here frequently. |
| 16:44.38 | j-b | Hello |
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| 16:46.24 | lh | j-b: greetings |
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| 16:46.48 | j-b | lh: hello leslie, I hope you have as much sunshine as here in Paris... |
| 16:47.24 | smtms | is it foggy in Paris? |
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| 16:47.54 | nsquare | :P |
| 16:48.06 | lh | j-b: dark overcast cold and a bit of rain. i love it actually. |
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| 16:48.44 | j-b | smtms: lots of sun... first day with sun since a few days |
| 16:49.22 | harlan | I haven't received any gsoc-related email for about 12 hours' time or so - is it just me, or has the mailing list been quiet? |
| 16:49.34 | nsquare | weather in US = random(sunny, rain, cold) :P |
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| 16:59.28 | smtms | harlan, you can always *post* to the mailing list |
| 16:59.38 | smtms | harlan, to break the silence and make new friends |
| 17:00.04 | lh | harlan: list is just quiet. everyone is waiting on slot allocation information. happens every year. |
| 17:00.09 | harlan | I've been on Usenet for far too long to post a "Hey, is this thing working?" message. |
| 17:00.09 | lh | quiet before the storms. |
| 17:00.13 | harlan | Cool, thanks. |
| 17:00.34 | harlan | lh: did you get my 'other' email from yesterday afternoon/evening? |
| 17:00.48 | harlan | no worries on it - I'm just checking. |
| 17:00.49 | lh | harlan: yes have not had a chance to respond yet my friend |
| 17:00.57 | harlan | ok, thanks. |
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| 17:01.31 | harlan | I'll be in a 'fire drill' for reasonable hunks of the next day or two, and I'm not sure if it will hit on Friday or if we'll wait until Monday. |
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| 17:04.41 | smtms | timing for conflict-resolution meeting not decided yet? |
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| 17:06.04 | lh | smtms: no, you will all be notified by monday. |
| 17:06.05 | harlan | It will happen on Monday. |
| 17:06.31 | harlan | my fire drill will happen then, too. Fun fun fun |
| 17:06.37 | lh | harlan: conflict detection code turned on monday, resolution meeting on wednesday, time of resolution meeting published on monday |
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| 17:06.57 | harlan | cool. that will be a bit easier. |
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| 17:08.04 | smtms | bugs in conflict detection code fixed on Tuesday? :-) |
| 17:08.05 | Shannon90 | !slots |
| 17:08.05 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
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| 17:10.26 | lh | smtms: pardon? |
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| 17:10.50 | smtms | lh, joking about bugs in Melange |
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| 17:11.06 | neurodrone | nsquare :O |
| 17:11.20 | nsquare | :) |
| 17:11.23 | neurodrone | :D |
| 17:11.32 | lh | smtms: i see. |
| 17:11.36 | lh | how droll |
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| 17:12.01 | Landon | SUMMATUSMENTIS |
| 17:12.24 | lh | Landon: ease up there my dear. |
| 17:12.35 | Landon | sorry, just returning the favor :p |
| 17:12.56 | johndbritton | is there an easy way to get all my twitter tweets into identica? |
| 17:13.05 | smtms | an eye for an eye (GPL's philosophy) |
| 17:13.24 | lh | Landon: all good |
| 17:13.41 | lh | johndbritton: afaik, you can push your updates from identi.ca to twitter, but not receive twitter replies to identi.ca |
| 17:13.41 | xorAxAx | came back from hospital today |
| 17:13.44 | lh | hopes shes wrong |
| 17:13.50 | lh | xorAxAx: what on earth - are you all right? |
| 17:14.00 | xorAxAx | lh: not sure, its all a bit weird |
| 17:14.14 | johndbritton | lh: yeah I've got them going from identi.ca to twitter... but I'd like to move all my previous tweets over if possible |
| 17:14.21 | xorAxAx | lets call it ... stable |
| 17:14.29 | johndbritton | get the cuffs of vendor lock in off |
| 17:14.32 | lh | xorAxAx: i am glad to hear that. |
| 17:14.45 | lh | johndbritton: so wait you can make twitter feed into identi.ca? |
| 17:14.51 | lh | i have no idea about how to move previous tweets. |
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| 17:15.09 | johndbritton | no, just what you said... identica -> twitter |
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| 17:15.19 | lh | johndbritton: ok, that's as i thought. |
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| 17:15.26 | xorAxAx | thanks, lh |
| 17:15.56 | xorAxAx | hmm, some bot is programming a youtube playlist :) |
| 17:15.59 | xorAxAx | in my browser |
| 17:16.03 | lh | xorAxAx: be well my friend. |
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| 17:16.13 | lh | sends hugs and support to xorAxAx |
| 17:16.30 | zooko | Hi there, xorAxAx. |
| 17:16.33 | johndbritton | ordered Open Everything NYC T-Shirts today |
| 17:16.35 | xorAxAx | hi zooko |
| 17:16.52 | zooko | There seems to be a big internet outage somewhere in California. |
| 17:16.53 | xorAxAx | sends hugs back to lh |
| 17:17.00 | xorAxAx | zooko: oh |
| 17:17.04 | xorAxAx | in which sense? |
| 17:17.14 | lh | zooko: lots o' stuff is down today |
| 17:17.18 | lh | johndbritton: awesome! |
| 17:17.31 | zooko | A bunch of servers I want to use, all hosted by United Layer at 200 Paul St, San Francisco, have been off all morning. |
| 17:17.34 | zooko | I mean unreachable. |
| 17:17.41 | kblin | hmm |
| 17:17.46 | xorAxAx | i was behind some news barrier in the hospital (also including internet cuts), so i cant tell whats right or wrong currently |
| 17:17.52 | lh | hey folks, if you live in or around new york city, please visit open everything NYC if you can. I will be speaking there on april 18th and it is always awesome to meet you guys in person when I can. |
| 17:21.29 | xorAxAx | i have the impression that there is a lot of mpls and bgp games going around currently, but probably its just me, zooko |
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| 17:27.59 | zooko | Interesting! I wonder what's going on. I know there was a big cable cut in *southern* california this morning, or at least "middle" California -- it took out a bunch of Santa Cruz but none of San Jose as I understand. |
| 17:28.03 | zooko | I don't know if that is related. |
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| 17:28.24 | zooko | Maybe I should create #fail or something to enjoy the spectacle. |
| 17:28.41 | xorAxAx | yeah, i wonder where the looking glass guys hang out |
| 17:28.53 | zooko | Oh, we're getting the story over in #tahoe. |
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| 17:28.55 | xorAxAx | i guess they hide somewhere under their blankets and dont tell :) |
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| 17:29.03 | zooko | Whoa -- outage expected to last til 18:00 today Pacific time! Ouch. |
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| 17:30.13 | xorAxAx | sounds like net bisection ... |
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| 17:30.41 | xorAxAx | or are reasons known, zooko? |
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| 17:30.52 | xorAxAx | power outage? |
| 17:32.06 | ArthurLiu | what is MRPH ? Mail the Right Place for Help ? |
| 17:32.33 | zooko | Let's take further discussion of dramatic internet failure over to #tahoe, where it is slightly more topical. ;-) |
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| 17:38.52 | anothy_x | ArthurLiu: i think it's onomatopoeic, a grunt-ish sound expressing frustartion. |
| 17:39.07 | ArthurLiu | oh |
| 17:39.17 | ArthurLiu | I though LH just made up an acronym |
| 17:40.09 | anothy_x | maybe, but i'm betting on simple frustration that some people (hides in shame) can't get mailing lists straight. |
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| 17:42.51 | I_love_her | !slots |
| 17:42.51 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
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| 17:44.08 | lh | ArthurLiu: i like your version better, but yes it was an expression of vexation |
| 17:44.17 | lh | goes to coin acronym on identi.ca |
| 17:44.31 | lh | ArthurLiu: what's your identi.ca username again? |
| 17:44.43 | ArthurLiu | I don't have one, but it's arthurliu on twitter :) |
| 17:44.55 | lh | ArthurLiu: thank you |
| 17:45.10 | DrJoel | thinks lh deserves a new word for being frustrated with questions that were in the FAQ and posts after she has said quit posting about this here |
| 17:45.43 | Ivanovic | hands leslie a tasty coffee so that she can relax a little |
| 17:46.15 | lh | DrJoel: it'll all get settled out soon |
| 17:46.25 | lh | Ivanovic: thank you, we are out of coffee in my building. :( |
| 17:46.41 | Ivanovic | ugh, this must suck for all the addicts... |
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| 17:47.56 | lh | Ivanovic: it does indeed. |
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| 17:53.40 | mordante | lh, sounds like you have a bad day |
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| 17:54.33 | lh | mordante: actually no. i have just noticed that people listen if i act unhappy. those that don't listen when asked nicely, that is. |
| 17:54.45 | lh | or are you referring to the lack of coffee? because that is just hell. |
| 17:54.55 | mordante | lack of coffee |
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| 17:55.13 | lh | mordante: oh that is just bloody awful. |
| 17:55.15 | lh | :( |
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| 17:55.23 | mordante | also is a kind of bad you need to act unhappy for people to listen to you |
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| 17:55.24 | mib_jk8asdfdasfb | hey mentors.are you guys done with ranking proposals? |
| 17:55.45 | lh | mordante: eh, it's 3000 people. all things to all people. eventually, we all get it right. it's all good. :) |
| 17:55.46 | mordante | stopped counting the "post at melange-ml" post |
| 17:56.02 | lh | mib_jk8asdfdasfb: best to ask in a particular project irc channel my friend. |
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| 17:59.01 | mordante | hope your right and all will be good soon |
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| 18:00.27 | lh | mordante: i am. i know and <3 our community. |
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| 18:01.18 | mordante | :-) |
| 18:02.13 | Stivo | mentors can unlock the proposal for editing, right? |
| 18:02.13 | lut4rp | wishes Pidgin looked half as good as Adium |
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| 18:03.06 | Landon | I need another monitor :\ |
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| 18:03.39 | Corsix | How many do you have? |
| 18:03.48 | Landon | one |
| 18:03.58 | Corsix | I couldn't go back to one :/ |
| 18:03.59 | Landon | so, I'd get infinite productivity improvement :P |
| 18:04.25 | lh | Corsix: me either. ever. |
| 18:04.33 | lut4rp | really now. |
| 18:04.51 | lut4rp | i have 2 spare monitors lying around |
| 18:05.30 | Landon | I could use 3 ideally, but I'm wondering how well ubuntu would roll with that |
| 18:05.34 | Landon | and I'd need another graphics card :\ |
| 18:05.39 | Landon | where I can barely fit the one I have in my case |
| 18:05.39 | Landon | :p |
| 18:05.55 | lut4rp | but its just a 17" one, wont make much of a difference to my 15" laptop |
| 18:06.13 | Corsix | A gtx260 already takes up two slots |
| 18:06.29 | Corsix | so I'd have trouble fitting in another card for a 3rd monnitor |
| 18:06.33 | lut4rp | gtx260 :o |
| 18:06.37 | Landon | I have an 8800GTS, it takes up 2 slots, but the PCIE slots are far enough apart to support 21 |
| 18:06.39 | Landon | 2* |
| 18:06.48 | Landon | except for the fact I need the slots below the other PCIE slot :p |
| 18:06.51 | lut4rp | wot. |
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| 18:07.03 | lut4rp | what do you do with such mean cards :p |
| 18:07.20 | Corsix | Crysis and CUDA |
| 18:07.26 | lut4rp | ahh, CUDA |
| 18:08.56 | lut4rp | wonders what will happen to openCL |
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| 18:14.33 | Stivo | I have looked on the web, but I dont know what to search for, so again: can a mentor unlock a proposal for the student to be edited? |
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| 18:15.32 | kartik_rustagi | !next |
| 18:15.32 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 18:16.52 | lh | Stivo: please ask in #melange |
| 18:16.59 | lh | switches channels so she knows the answer too |
| 18:17.15 | Stivo | lh: I will |
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| 18:25.33 | harrynguyen | !lh |
| 18:25.34 | socinfo | "lh" is Leslie Hawthorn, Program Manager - Open Source; Geek Herder extraordinaire. This is who you turn to if you have very specific questions about GSoC whose answer applies only to you. |
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| 18:26.15 | lh | also makes a mean guacamole |
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| 18:26.36 | Landon | ok now, everyone pray that my assignment works on the first try :P |
| 18:26.45 | cjhopman | mmm guacamole |
| 18:26.55 | Landon | is hoping a little bit of magic will keep it from dying in a fire |
| 18:27.16 | nullpuppy | Landon: nothing works on the first try. and if it does, its broken. |
| 18:27.31 | Landon | I just want it to work at all |
| 18:27.32 | Landon | :\ |
| 18:27.38 | nullpuppy | nods |
| 18:27.41 | nullpuppy | thats possible |
| 18:27.43 | Landon | I wish there was an easier way to test it method by method |
| 18:27.55 | Landon | but really nothing I can do until I finished the whole thing |
| 18:28.03 | nullpuppy | you could write unit tests |
| 18:28.17 | Landon | :P I probably don't have time to do that |
| 18:28.23 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 18:28.26 | nullpuppy | just sayin' |
| 18:28.29 | [particle]- | i'd like to try that guacamole, lh |
| 18:28.30 | Landon | need to get this done in half an hour or I start losing points |
| 18:28.39 | nullpuppy | :( |
| 18:28.40 | Landon | is too used to python |
| 18:28.51 | lh | [particle]-: this could likely be arranged one day |
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| 18:28.56 | nullpuppy | what are you writing in? |
| 18:29.15 | Landon | C# |
| 18:29.25 | nullpuppy | ah. neat. |
| 18:29.31 | Landon | hardly :P |
| 18:29.35 | nullpuppy | hehe |
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| 18:29.57 | nullpuppy | has used C, C++, Verilog, 68k asm and VHDL this semester. |
| 18:30.18 | Landon | has HCS08 assembly, C#, and matlab |
| 18:30.39 | nullpuppy | HCS08? |
| 18:31.16 | Landon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freescale_68HC08 |
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| 18:31.51 | caden | landon are you still working on that avl tree |
| 18:31.58 | nullpuppy | ah, neat. |
| 18:31.59 | Landon | yes :( |
| 18:32.10 | Landon | I finally finished the enumerator and am Ready to test though |
| 18:32.10 | Landon | :D |
| 18:32.17 | caden | hurrah! |
| 18:32.27 | ThomasWaldmann | moin :) |
| 18:32.27 | travellr111 | avl tree for what assignment? |
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| 18:33.00 | Landon | I'm making a dictionary for my data strucures class |
| 18:33.02 | Landon | http://people.cis.ksu.edu/~rhowell/300s09/lab9.html |
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| 18:34.24 | travellr111 | there are AVL code out there one from cplusplus.com. it implements phone book which is very similar to your dictgionary |
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| 18:35.13 | Landon | travellr111: I've got it done, it just took forever implementing all the methods for the interfaces |
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| 18:35.47 | Landon | yup, it died in a fire :\ |
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| 18:43.55 | rhubner | How many slots have the Python Software Fundation? |
| 18:44.32 | harrynguyen | !askyourorg |
| 18:44.33 | socinfo | "askyourorg" is You should ask the organization you applied to, as this varies per organization. |
| 18:44.34 | rhubner | anybody know? |
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| 18:45.46 | rhubner | ok.. thanks |
| 18:46.30 | mordante | rhubner, the number of slots hasn't been determined yet |
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| 18:56.49 | Landon | caden: hah |
| 18:57.03 | Landon | apparently it makes a _huge_ difference if your binary tree is doin things backwards from what the testing program expects |
| 18:57.13 | Landon | (larger values on the left, smaller on the right ) :P |
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| 19:10.02 | firesoul | hi webchick, guess you are one of the drupal developers |
| 19:10.04 | firesoul | :) |
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| 19:18.28 | nsquare | hello guys :) |
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| 19:29.15 | firesoul | hi nsquare |
| 19:29.29 | nsquare | hey |
| 19:29.54 | firesoul | where are you from nsquare |
| 19:30.09 | nsquare | US |
| 19:30.11 | nsquare | you? |
| 19:31.13 | firesoul | India.. |
| 19:31.25 | nsquare | cool |
| 19:31.32 | nsquare | i was in india last year :D |
| 19:31.43 | nsquare | *till last year |
| 19:31.48 | firesoul | great ! which part |
| 19:32.12 | nsquare | pune |
| 19:32.31 | firesoul | k |
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| 19:33.13 | rjoachim | In a mail on mentors list lh announced preliminary slot numbers to be published on 7. Do anyone know if I missed that or if that has been delayed? |
| 19:33.15 | nsquare | where are you from? |
| 19:33.34 | lh | rjoachim: no time was specified so i dont think you can call it delayed |
| 19:33.43 | lh | rjoachim: as soon as i can run the code, i will |
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| 19:34.36 | firesoul | Hyderabad , ATM in Alld |
| 19:34.41 | firesoul | Allahabad |
| 19:34.50 | firesoul | nsquare, |
| 19:34.52 | rjoachim | lh: thanks for your great work. i just feared i missed it |
| 19:35.18 | lh | rjoachim: not at all. :) |
| 19:35.20 | nsquare | oh, ok |
| 19:35.47 | firesoul | so nsquare which university |
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| 19:36.00 | ArthurLiu | lh, so, there's a secret algorithm ? :) |
| 19:36.08 | nsquare | gatech |
| 19:36.21 | nsquare | arthurLiu: what that algorithm does is public :) |
| 19:36.24 | firesoul | cool |
| 19:36.28 | nsquare | dont know about the code :D |
| 19:36.50 | lh | ArthurLiu: it's not secret, you can take a look in melange source tree. |
| 19:36.54 | lh | it does need to be released however. :) |
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| 20:35.29 | holger | lh: so, i got this spam that says "GoogleIncome Systems Earn easy cash on Google". should i forward it somewhere so that your legal dep can take care of them? |
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| 21:07.19 | shikhar | somebody want to help me understand the svn trunk / branches dichotomy? current development happens in trunk, right? |
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| 21:07.57 | smtms | shikhar, I'd ask the relevant organization |
| 21:08.04 | mkooiman | wow I guess they really weren't joking when they said "is there an IRC channel I can IDLE on" |
| 21:08.26 | smtms | shikhar, for two reasons: they know local customs best, and also to not bother the whole #gsoc channel |
| 21:08.56 | shikhar | smtms: that's what i would have done, but they are not on irc. but i understand your point. |
| 21:09.01 | kpreid | shikhar: try #svn |
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| 21:09.25 | lh | holger: sure send it to me i will get the right people to take a look |
| 21:10.13 | mkooiman | from my experience usually the main dev is done on the trunk, then when a release is being done you make a branch and a tag, the tag is not to be touched, the branch is used for bugfixes which then also need to be ported to the trunk where applicable |
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| 21:10.33 | shikhar | mkooiman: that helps, thanks |
| 21:10.42 | mkooiman | but yes, it does vary per company |
| 21:10.47 | hippieindamakin8 | hey is it that the comments shall be disabled later today ? |
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| 21:11.22 | hippieindamakin8 | as in i am talking abt the public comments |
| 21:11.54 | holger | lh: k, just bounced it to lhospo@google. that way, you should get the full headers. needless to say, it says i "subscribed". which of course i didn't (that ip address doesn't even remotely look like one i'd use) |
| 21:12.16 | lh | lhospo@gmail.com or lh@google.com or lhawthorn@google.com please any of those works |
| 21:12.24 | lh | thanks for sending it holger |
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| 21:12.44 | holger | oops. let me try again then. |
| 21:12.46 | kr0y | hippieindamakin8: The Systers admin told us to submit final comments by April 11, 00:00 UTC |
| 21:13.00 | kr0y | hippieindamakin8: but I dont know if comments are disabled or not |
| 21:13.10 | hippieindamakin8 | kr0y, thanks |
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| 21:13.37 | mkooiman | question if I decide to enter the gsoc next year and I do get in, is the project decided at random or based on experience? |
| 21:13.52 | l0nwlf_ | will comments be disable today ?? |
| 21:14.02 | anothy_x | no |
| 21:14.22 | anothy_x | (unless i missed something substantial) |
| 21:14.43 | l0nwlf_ | well in a particular organization april 11 is last date for Final comment |
| 21:14.44 | anothy_x | individual organizations may have reasons for imposing additional checkpoints, though. |
| 21:15.09 | l0nwlf_ | ohh , means it's totally based on Individual org |
| 21:15.21 | l0nwlf_ | comments will be disabled on 15th I suppose then |
| 21:15.53 | holger | lh: resent to lh@google.com. let me know if it doesn't arrive (this is spam after all ;) then i'm going to archive and attach |
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| 21:16.54 | lh | holger: will do |
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| 21:39.20 | brainfck_ | How many hours per week do you plan for your applications? |
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| 21:41.23 | l0nwlf_ | 50-60 , depends , I'm a first timer , can't be relaxed |
| 21:41.33 | kr0y | l0nwlf_: Really? |
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| 21:41.42 | matek | max 40h per week |
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| 21:55.41 | skiquel | lh: hey, if I want to get re-mailed my tax form for participating in GSoC as a studnet last year, who can I e-mail? |
| 21:56.12 | kblin | lh, I guess |
| 21:56.44 | lh | skiquel: kblin is correct |
| 21:57.40 | kblin | yay for triaging :) |
| 21:58.03 | skiquel | should I fire you over a mail? |
| 21:59.12 | lh | skiquel: yes. if it is not in my inbox, it does not exist. |
| 21:59.13 | lh | :) |
| 21:59.27 | lh | is glad she keeps a stash of water, iced tea and food in her inbox |
| 21:59.56 | dwins | wishes HE had a refrigerated inbox |
| 21:59.56 | brainfck_ | it sucks, that I can't edit or at least delete my comments |
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| 22:00.06 | lh | brainfck_: have you filed an issue? |
| 22:00.23 | lh | brainfck_: or checked to see if there is already an issue on file? |
| 22:00.25 | lh | !issues |
| 22:00.25 | socinfo | Error: "issues" is not a valid command. |
| 22:00.28 | lh | !bugs |
| 22:00.28 | socinfo | "bugs" is Melange bugs are tracked at http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list |
| 22:00.34 | skiquel | lh: can this be faxed? or should it be mailed? |
| 22:00.42 | skiquel | can it be scanned and pdf'd in e-mail ? :D |
| 22:00.56 | brainfck_ | lh: no, I haven't done anything yet |
| 22:01.01 | lh | skiquel: i think they have to mail it. why not send your fax number to me as well just in case |
| 22:01.09 | skiquel | sure will |
| 22:01.14 | skiquel | I do this tazo passion tea thing |
| 22:01.20 | skiquel | my family is tea ppl |
| 22:01.23 | lh | brainfck_: please to check the tracker for known issues to add your comments to or to file a new issue. it's very helpful. |
| 22:01.29 | lh | <3's tazo teas. |
| 22:01.35 | skiquel | http://www.sereneteaz.com/ |
| 22:01.38 | brainfck_ | lh: ok |
| 22:02.39 | freebsdgirl | tazo is yummy. |
| 22:02.48 | freebsdgirl | lh: wish you were here. :( |
| 22:04.18 | brainfck_ | l0nwlf_ and matek: how are you able to offer so much time per week? My semester break starts in the middle of july.. |
| 22:04.27 | lh | freebsdgirl: me too. have you taken possesion of your delivery at this time? |
| 22:04.30 | freebsdgirl | no. |
| 22:04.35 | freebsdgirl | his plane is late. i set up shop at SFO. |
| 22:04.44 | freebsdgirl | sitting at baggage claim, multiple laptops, cat5, the whole shebang. |
| 22:04.49 | lh | freebsdgirl: very good. well not very good but not so bad. |
| 22:04.55 | lh | why did you need to bring cat 5? |
| 22:04.56 | freebsdgirl | i love sfo. plenty of power outlets. |
| 22:05.15 | freebsdgirl | because it's easier than doing wireless when it comes to internet sharing on this laptop. |
| 22:05.20 | freebsdgirl | and because it matches my purse. |
| 22:05.34 | lh | skiquel: you got paid the full 4515 usd right? |
| 22:06.33 | skiquel | yes |
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| 22:07.05 | lh | skiquel: merci |
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| 22:07.35 | matek | brainfck_, my summer break starts in june, but I can finish all my project before end of may and postpone examt to September |
| 22:07.36 | lh | freebsdgirl: fair enough, i also <3 SFO. nice exhibits, pretty airport, lovely views from domestic terminals. |
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| 22:08.23 | thiago_home | agrees with lh |
| 22:08.28 | brainfck_ | lh: is there a deadline for public comments on proposals? |
| 22:08.30 | thiago_home | even though I've only been to the domestic terminals once |
| 22:08.42 | l0nwlf_ | brainfck_: mine from 10th may |
| 22:08.48 | thiago_home | brainfck_: ask your org. If they're not reading comments, then it's too late already. |
| 22:08.56 | lh | brainfck_: nope you can submit those up until accepted students are announced |
| 22:09.05 | brainfck_ | lh: thanks |
| 22:09.05 | freebsdgirl | lh: you are such a girl. i dig it for power outlets, you dig it for the view. |
| 22:09.24 | brainfck_ | I hope I will receive some comments this week-end:-) |
| 22:09.53 | l0nwlf_ | brainfck_: it seems you hadnt received any comment yet ? |
| 22:10.03 | brainfck_ | l0nwlf_: jep |
| 22:10.44 | lh | freebsdgirl: i have to preserve some semblance of femininty someplace. |
| 22:10.51 | lh | eschews pink |
| 22:10.53 | l0nwlf_ | well reviews can be private too , but i suppose organization will review till 15th |
| 22:11.31 | brainfck_ | I hope |
| 22:12.03 | brainfck_ | my org. told me that they'll review the proposals this week-end |
| 22:12.23 | l0nwlf_ | well , wait till then |
| 22:13.03 | holger | hm. my org is already pretty much sure who we'd like to have. it all depends on the # of slots now :) |
| 22:13.15 | brainfck_ | :) |
| 22:13.41 | freebsdgirl | lh: 10 more minutes until gate arrival :( |
| 22:13.56 | borja | caden: ping |
| 22:13.57 | freebsdgirl | i want to vomit. |
| 22:14.03 | l0nwlf_ | holger: what's the role of organization , i suppose if they like N application then they will ask for N slots |
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| 22:14.48 | brainfck_ | good night, I have to get some sleep... |
| 22:15.03 | l0nwlf_ | good night |
| 22:15.09 | holger | l0nwlf_: not sure how many we asked for, but we might well be mentor-limited. |
| 22:16.11 | holger | i myself only got in last yr because they got someone else to mentor at the last minute. |
| 22:16.24 | lh | freebsdgirl: relax woman. anyone would think you are being asked to pick up the shipment of orchids sent in snakes on a plane. |
| 22:16.26 | holger | well, this year i help out on the mentor shortage ;) |
| 22:16.39 | freebsdgirl | oh lovely. the flight was just delayed until 4 pm. |
| 22:16.51 | lh | freebsdgirl: and they just figured that out *now*? |
| 22:16.55 | freebsdgirl | yes. |
| 22:16.56 | lh | what airline is he on? |
| 22:17.02 | freebsdgirl | alaska. |
| 22:17.03 | lh | let me guess, air canadia. |
| 22:17.11 | freebsdgirl | google for "alaska airlines flight 312" |
| 22:17.11 | lh | oh even worse. :( |
| 22:17.11 | l0nwlf_ | holger: which organization ? |
| 22:17.18 | holger | videolan/x264 |
| 22:17.18 | freebsdgirl | it'll bring up the flightstats page |
| 22:17.26 | freebsdgirl | it keeps getting delayed more. |
| 22:17.33 | freebsdgirl | by 4, i mean it's going to arrive here at 4. |
| 22:17.43 | l0nwlf_ | holger: great |
| 22:17.46 | freebsdgirl | i am amused that it gets .1 out of 5 for on time status. |
| 22:18.42 | lh | ouch. |
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| 22:19.42 | kblin | wonders which org goes to decide on accepted students this weekend |
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| 22:19.56 | kblin | sounds a bit late to start talking to students and all |
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| 22:23.01 | ankitg | passes lh a glass of iced-tea to compensate for the lack of coffee ... |
| 22:23.09 | e1z0 | :O |
| 22:23.10 | e1z0 | yo |
| 22:23.48 | lh | ankitg: thank you dear |
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| 22:24.11 | ankitg | long time on iced-tea here ... thought I'd change the dynamics ... |
| 22:24.18 | ankitg | =) |
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| 22:25.05 | lh | i do so love my iced tea |
| 22:27.17 | nerd_boy | So long as it's black tea. |
| 22:27.28 | nerd_boy | Black tea is the only good iced tea. <_< |
| 22:27.33 | lh | nerd_boy: or green tea or tissanes, i like 'em all |
| 22:27.35 | lh | speaking of |
| 22:27.44 | lh | roams off in search of beverage joys |
| 22:27.47 | nerd_boy | Eh. I don't care for unhot green tea. |
| 22:27.53 | Giant-Sheep | green tea is so..meh... |
| 22:27.55 | nerd_boy | And I'll have to google what the deuce this "tissane" thing is. |
| 22:28.01 | p_l | as for open source advocacy... http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/04/02/ubunchu-the-ubuntu-manga-is-now-in-english/ |
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| 22:28.20 | p_l | is gonna get it, even though he doesn't like ubuntu |
| 22:30.25 | ThomasWaldmann | kblin: tests are going well for us. so we at least will know soon which application we rather will not take. |
| 22:30.40 | Giant-Sheep | I'm buying tea with a Pokèmon mentality atm. gotta catch 'em all. I keep buying more and more and I don't even get rid of the old ones... |
| 22:30.56 | p_l | couldn't reply to comments on his proposals till now |
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| 22:40.27 | mdc_mobile | is in San Francisco for the Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit :) |
| 22:40.38 | mdc_mobile | Any other SoC'er around? |
| 22:40.47 | nullpuppy | is |
| 22:40.53 | nullpuppy | well, hope to be. ;) |
| 22:41.14 | mdc_mobile | nullpuppy: cool :) It's at the Hotel Kabuki in Japantown |
| 22:42.46 | nullpuppy | err? what is? |
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| 22:43.27 | ankitg | nullpuppy: ^Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit^ |
| 22:43.40 | nullpuppy | oooh |
| 22:43.43 | nullpuppy | cool |
| 22:44.00 | nullpuppy | oh, i missed a line there... whoops ;) |
| 22:44.20 | mdc_mobile | is doing a talk at 16:15 here: |
| 22:44.22 | mdc_mobile | http://events.linuxfoundation.org/hpc |
| 22:44.34 | ankitg | nullpuppy: eh, what's a line between friends ... go have a ball! =) |
| 22:45.19 | nullpuppy | ankitg: hehe. well.. see, i'm in seattle... |
| 22:46.22 | ankitg | nullpuppy: ah ... not to far then, but 16:15 might be cutting it a bit too close =P |
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| 22:47.34 | nullpuppy | yeah ;) |
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| 23:19.31 | skiquel | lh: Thank you. |
| 23:19.47 | Xano__ | !timeline |
| 23:19.47 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 23:21.22 | ArthurLiu | lh, is the preliminary count still planned for today (Pacific Time) ? |
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| 23:28.43 | bmalicoat | does anyone know if when we comment on our applications if it notifies the mentoring program? |
| 23:29.17 | nullpuppy | only if they're subscribed to updates |
| 23:29.19 | nullpuppy | afaik |
| 23:29.34 | scorche|sh | if they are subscribed to get updates, yes |
| 23:29.56 | bmalicoat | ah, is that common for the organizations? |
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| 23:30.27 | Xano__ | How does my mentor officially get assigned to my project? |
| 23:30.48 | scorche|sh | Xano__: the org works it out and put that mentor into a little field |
| 23:31.20 | Xano__ | scorche|sh: Hmm. My org's admin tells us students we have to make sure our mentors are linked to our projects ourselves :S |
| 23:31.44 | scorche|sh | thats...uh...odd... |
| 23:32.22 | scorche|sh | did they mean something along the lines of "check in your app if you have a mentor assigned"? |
| 23:32.34 | scorche|sh | or have you been talking with a specific mentor or something? |
| 23:33.01 | Xano__ | scorche|sh: I got someone who wants to be my mentor and that's noted in my app |
| 23:34.03 | scorche|sh | sounds good enough to me...talk to your org though to double check what they mean when they said that |
| 23:35.00 | Xano__ | scorche|sh: Will do. Thanks :) |
| 23:35.01 | nullpuppy | where would that be listed? |
| 23:36.19 | lh | Xano__: what org please? |
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| 23:39.06 | ojwb | sounds to me like a new org failing to understand the process... |
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| 23:40.55 | Xano__ | lh: Drupal |
| 23:41.20 | Xano__ | ojwb: It's been a mentoring org for a few years already |
| 23:41.37 | Xano__ | ojwb: lh: I'll talk to the admin when he's back online. |
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| 23:42.50 | ojwb | they have indeed |
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| 23:43.49 | scorche|sh | heh...drupal sure isnt one of those "new orgs" ;) |
| 23:45.18 | ojwb | but students can't see if a mentor is assigned, can they? |
| 23:45.22 | ninadsp16289 | /quit |
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| 23:45.53 | ojwb | and an admin is the only one to be able to assign a mentor |
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| 23:46.41 | lh | ojwb: no they cannot |
| 23:46.46 | lh | ojwb: correct only admins can assign mentors |
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