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| 00:05.19 | disismt | socinfo: more disismt |
| 00:05.19 | socinfo | Error: Sorry, I can't find any mores for disismt |
| 00:05.31 | disismt | socinfo: more lh |
| 00:05.31 | socinfo | Error: Sorry, I can't find any mores for lh |
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| 00:46.29 | ojwb | wonders if whoever wrote socinfo has looked up "mores" in a dictionary |
| 00:47.47 | ajuonline | !mores |
| 00:47.48 | socinfo | Error: "mores" is not a valid command. |
| 00:47.53 | ajuonline | #fail |
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| 00:48.17 | Corsix | hmm, #fail isn't a channel |
| 00:48.20 | Corsix | that is fail |
| 00:48.23 | ojwb | meant as in "Error: Sorry, I can't find any mores for lh" |
| 00:49.27 | ojwb | gcide defines "mores" as "Customs; habits; esp., moral customs conformity to which is more or less obligatory; customary law" |
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| 00:52.39 | holger | it's a little bit older than that ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_tempora_o_mores! |
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| 00:53.54 | ojwb | older than what? |
| 00:54.26 | holger | older than english ;) |
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| 00:54.46 | ojwb | never said it wasn't |
| 00:54.55 | ojwb | very little of english is original |
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| 01:11.37 | andrecastelo_ | hey guys |
| 01:11.43 | andrecastelo_ | what do you think of this http://binstock.blogspot.com/2008/04/perfecting-oos-small-classes-and-short.html ? |
| 01:12.05 | andrecastelo_ | do you guys think that those exercises are valid? |
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| 01:15.56 | ojwb | well, I've not tried it |
| 01:16.12 | ojwb | sounds an interesting exercise |
| 01:16.31 | ojwb | not convinced the rules make sense in a real world project as it seems to suggest they do at the end |
| 01:17.09 | andrecastelo_ | me neither.. i think it may be a very verbose project |
| 01:17.12 | ojwb | there's a balance between factoring everything into the smallest units possible and actually getting some useful work done |
| 01:17.37 | ojwb | you want the units to be of a size a programmer can comprehend as a whole |
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| 01:17.58 | ojwb | (I say "units" as that really applies to any code, not just OO) |
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| 01:21.51 | ojwb | mithro: not that I noticed (except me at the start of this line) |
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| 01:25.08 | scorche | mmmmm...../lastlog.... |
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| 02:53.51 | zookosleep | How do I, as a Mentor, assign "rankings" (not "scores") to proposals? |
| 02:59.05 | scorche|sh | zooko: only admins can assing ranks |
| 02:59.14 | scorche|sh | s/assing/assign/ |
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| 03:06.18 | ipwa | earlier today I was able to score proposals but not anymore, what could be the reason for that? |
| 03:06.34 | ipwa | oh sorry I can |
| 03:06.41 | ipwa | whooops |
| 03:08.13 | zooko | scorche, ibot: the PSF folks asked me to go ahead and rank my students on the web app. I'm the "admin" for a sub-project within PSF, but not for PSF itself. |
| 03:08.22 | zooko | Should I apply (how?) for PSF-admin-privileges? |
| 03:08.33 | zooko | For the moment, I'm just writing back to them asking them to tell me what to do next. |
| 03:11.05 | rwcr | zooko: FYI, ibot is a computer program. You don't need to address him/her/it. :-) |
| 03:11.25 | zooko | reads back |
| 03:11.26 | zooko | Huh. |
| 03:11.34 | rwcr | s/computer program/IRC bot/ |
| 03:11.35 | zooko | Okay, thanks folks! Good night (UTC-6). |
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| 03:12.06 | scorche|sh | zooko: admins have to add other admins |
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| 03:16.12 | ojwb | zooko: when they say "rank those students", they may well actually mean "assign scores" |
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| 03:19.55 | scorche|sh | considering you would rank them for the entire PSF org, likely |
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| 03:29.16 | rootnode | hi |
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| 03:33.01 | caden_ | are former employees of google who have gone back to school eligible for GSoC, assuming that they have already applied and made the deadline? |
| 03:34.37 | caden_ | i could not find anything about it in the faq or users guide |
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| 03:36.27 | summatusmentis | that would be an lh question |
| 03:36.37 | nsquare | i guess anyone who is a student should be able to participate |
| 03:36.44 | nsquare | and obviously 18+ :) |
| 03:36.50 | caden_ | it did say current employees of google were not allowed but nothing about former |
| 03:37.32 | nsquare | canden, i dont think that would a problem |
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| 03:38.21 | summatusmentis | still, ask lh to be sure |
| 03:38.44 | caden_ | i have another question which i am pretty sure cannot be answered yet-- i got offered an attractive summer job today, but not as attractive as the summer of code. i told them i would give them an answer by tomorrow because they want me to start a few hours a week immediately--- is there any way i could find out where my GSoC chances stand today? |
| 03:38.54 | caden_ | (of course nothing is as attractive as GSoC) |
| 03:39.12 | scorche | caden: depends ont he org.. |
| 03:39.13 | r0bby | Google SoC has allure and stuff :) |
| 03:39.33 | summatusmentis | caden_: you could ask your org |
| 03:39.47 | r0bby | needs to tweak his google doc proposal :X |
| 03:39.54 | r0bby | <3 the fact i used google docs |
| 03:39.59 | r0bby | I love that service :D |
| 03:39.59 | caden_ | summatusmentis: you think that would be appropriate, not too obnoxious? |
| 03:41.25 | summatusmentis | caden_: I think if you said to them "I've been offered a fairly attractive job with a timeframe sooner than the GSoC one, I was wondering about my chances at getting GSoC, and whether or not it's worth waiting" |
| 03:41.30 | r0bby | caden_: how much does this job pay? |
| 03:41.34 | summatusmentis | they may not tell you |
| 03:41.46 | r0bby | Gsoc pays 4500 |
| 03:41.57 | caden_ | r0bby: $17/hr |
| 03:42.09 | r0bby | how many hrs/week? |
| 03:42.10 | r0bby | consistent? |
| 03:42.13 | summatusmentis | that could be more than GSoC, depending on timing |
| 03:42.21 | caden_ | yes quite consistent, 40 hr/week |
| 03:42.30 | summatusmentis | you'll make more than GSoC |
| 03:42.46 | r0bby | take this summer job |
| 03:42.47 | r0bby | :) |
| 03:42.49 | r0bby | I would |
| 03:42.55 | summatusmentis | me too |
| 03:43.14 | summatusmentis | unless you really want the GSoC label, or feel that OSS is more important than money |
| 03:43.33 | r0bby | I'd choose soc b/c I believe in my orgs mission |
| 03:43.34 | caden_ | i would rather do GSoC because (1) the projects i applied for are more relevant to research i will do in school and (2) i have to move cities halfway through the summer, and the hours are more flexible and GSoC is remote |
| 03:43.37 | r0bby | and purpose :) |
| 03:43.59 | caden_ | if i take the local job i can only work 40 hr/week june 12-july 31 |
| 03:44.09 | summatusmentis | oh, not full smmer |
| 03:44.14 | r0bby | that sucks |
| 03:44.17 | r0bby | take summer of code |
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| 03:44.23 | r0bby | tell the job no thanks :) |
| 03:44.23 | caden_ | yeah july 31 i get kicked out of my apartment and must move to wisconsin |
| 03:44.25 | caden_ | HAH |
| 03:44.28 | r0bby | tha's my advice :) |
| 03:44.42 | summatusmentis | r0bby: the issue is there's no guarantee on GSoC yet |
| 03:44.47 | r0bby | yeh true |
| 03:44.48 | caden_ | yeah |
| 03:44.54 | r0bby | ... but what if he gets it |
| 03:44.56 | cjhopman | wisconsin >> * |
| 03:44.57 | r0bby | hypothetically? |
| 03:45.05 | summatusmentis | caden_: I thin it's worth a shot asking your org |
| 03:45.14 | summatusmentis | they may tell you, they may not |
| 03:45.19 | cjhopman | go for gsoc |
| 03:45.30 | Landon | r0bby: then he can use his freetime for OSS! :p |
| 03:45.32 | cjhopman | whats a couple thousand dollars extra gonna do for ya anyway |
| 03:45.34 | Landon | and still get paid a fair amount |
| 03:45.58 | Landon | cjhopman: get you through the school year without a major job :P |
| 03:46.00 | caden_ | gets out notepad and calculates $$ |
| 03:46.03 | summatusmentis | I also think telling your org that you're considering turning down a higher payig job will say something to them |
| 03:46.39 | summatusmentis | cjhopman: help pay for more of your semester abroad |
| 03:46.42 | Catfish_Man | summatusmentis: that he likes eating? :P |
| 03:47.07 | caden_ | i wish money weren't an issue at all but i need to save some money for school, but i think working with a great project like gsoc is worth something, like in experience $$ if that makes any sense |
| 03:47.19 | caden_ | i _do_ like eating |
| 03:47.27 | summatusmentis | Catfish_Man: no, considering turning down a higher paying job because of the reasons he listed above says, at least to me "committed, and likely to stick around" |
| 03:47.39 | cjhopman | my theory is i just need to do something that covers the bills plus a little... gsoc would more than do that |
| 03:47.40 | Catfish_Man | ah, I see |
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| 03:48.08 | summatusmentis | cjhopman: do you not pay tuition/rent? |
| 03:48.41 | cjhopman | rent is included in bills... next year i will have a ta or raship for tuition |
| 03:48.51 | summatusmentis | oh, grad student |
| 03:48.54 | summatusmentis | ? |
| 03:48.55 | cjhopman | next year |
| 03:49.01 | summatusmentis | got it |
| 03:49.18 | cjhopman | right now, im on all grants/loans |
| 03:49.34 | summatusmentis | I try not to do loans |
| 03:49.39 | summatusmentis | as much as possible |
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| 03:50.58 | summatusmentis | contemplates all-nighter |
| 03:52.10 | hypa7ia | don't do it |
| 03:52.10 | hypa7ia | :s |
| 03:52.28 | caden_ | hypa7ia: don't do what? |
| 03:52.36 | summatusmentis | I think she's talking to me |
| 03:52.57 | hypa7ia | :) |
| 03:53.06 | hypa7ia | all-nighters are so bad |
| 03:53.11 | summatusmentis | but... but... spanish paper and go to write |
| 03:53.15 | summatusmentis | s/go/code/ |
| 03:53.24 | summatusmentis | my fingers think differently than my brain |
| 03:53.34 | hypa7ia | that means you need sleep |
| 03:53.42 | summatusmentis | no, it means I can't type |
| 03:53.42 | caden_ | if i could do all-nighters i would, they're fun. bjut they make me ill |
| 03:53.53 | caden_ | don't get ill summatusmentis |
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| 03:54.39 | summatusmentis | caden_: never pulled one before |
| 03:54.49 | summatusmentis | nows as good a time as any right? |
| 03:55.15 | caden_ | well, make sure you allow a few days to recover. if you don't react well you'll feel like crap for a few days |
| 03:55.52 | summatusmentis | that's not good |
| 03:58.00 | ojwb | caden_: I'd speak to your org about your chances |
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| 03:58.13 | caden_ | nods at ojwb |
| 03:58.15 | ojwb | they probably can't give you a 100% promise |
| 03:58.30 | caden_ | do they know anything by now, like how many slots they get? |
| 03:58.30 | summatusmentis | they may tell you where you're ranked though |
| 03:58.32 | ojwb | unless you are their top student, maybe |
| 03:58.44 | nsquare | ojwb: generally, we should talk to organization or mentors? |
| 03:58.47 | summatusmentis | they know how many they've asked for |
| 03:58.47 | nsquare | i guess organization .. right? |
| 03:59.01 | ojwb | no idea on slots, but everyone who wants them should get at least 2 I believe |
| 03:59.15 | ojwb | well, the mentors are representatives of the org |
| 03:59.37 | ojwb | if you have a potential mentor, that's not a bad place to start |
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| 03:59.57 | nsquare | ok |
| 04:00.10 | ojwb | there are certainly some students in our list who we've discounted already, and some we'll take for sure if we get enough slots |
| 04:00.16 | ojwb | and some in between still |
| 04:00.20 | skbohr1 | good morning everyone |
| 04:00.50 | ojwb | caden_: I wouldn't worry about they thinking badly about you because of a job application |
| 04:01.10 | skbohr1 | disappointed with his fedora 9, |
| 04:01.10 | ojwb | many of use have been students and realise the need to have an income from the summer |
| 04:01.24 | nsquare | skbohr1: its not morning for everyone :P |
| 04:02.20 | skbohr1 | greetings <your timezone> :P |
| 04:02.22 | caden_ | i wish i had told the job that i'd take more than 24 hours to think about it. i had to spend the evening with family and now i'm not sure if i'll be able to get ahold of my mentor in time |
| 04:02.34 | caden_ | timezone appropriate greeting, skbohr1! |
| 04:02.47 | ojwb | caden_: what's the notice period on the job? |
| 04:03.18 | r0bby | I need to somehow do mockups and edit my app proposoal which i put mostly in a googledoc |
| 04:03.29 | ojwb | (and that being my first thought is why I'm a rubbish employee...) |
| 04:03.40 | Landon | I made a mockup :p |
| 04:03.43 | caden_ | you mean like "two weeks notice"? |
| 04:03.44 | Landon | it's pretty sexy if I do say so myself |
| 04:03.55 | caden_ | Landon: overachiever :P |
| 04:04.09 | ojwb | caden_: indeed - if you can resign from the job giving two weeks notice, you could just accept it for now |
| 04:04.12 | summatusmentis | he took a screenshot, and put overlays on it >_> |
| 04:04.15 | caden_ | Landon: quit making everyone else look mediocre |
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| 04:04.34 | Landon | caden_: http://lfowles.org/images/battlemockup.png |
| 04:04.36 | Landon | I r so 1336 |
| 04:04.38 | Landon | :D |
| 04:04.56 | Landon | summatusmentis: I thought you made mockups for people to mock? |
| 04:04.58 | Landon | am I doing it wrong? |
| 04:05.12 | andrecastelo | Landon: is that some freelancer? |
| 04:05.13 | summatusmentis | no, in this case you're doing it right :-P |
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| 04:05.19 | Landon | andrecastelo: winner! |
| 04:05.34 | andrecastelo | yay, i loved that game |
| 04:05.34 | Landon | only nice spacy screenshots I could find on my computer |
| 04:05.44 | Landon | was so ridiculously moddable too |
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| 04:06.37 | andrecastelo | what's your proposal? |
| 04:07.28 | Landon | (nap now, but) I want to make a battle viewer for thousand parsec (read in files describing the battle, and set up the scene and play it out accordingly) |
| 04:10.15 | andrecastelo | using opengl? |
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| 04:13.48 | Landon | andrecastelo: python-ogre |
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| 04:15.43 | caden_ | Landon: these buttons don't work :) |
| 04:16.05 | caden_ | (pretend I'm a panel of end users that you're showing the mock-up to) |
| 04:16.27 | summatusmentis | "alright, out. Everybody out. You're clearly not smart enough, get out" |
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| 04:16.38 | summatusmentis | >_> |
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| 06:17.41 | harrynguyen | !next |
| 06:17.42 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 06:18.43 | ojwb | that's probably not going to change until 20th... |
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| 06:26.45 | cjhopman | !nexy |
| 06:26.46 | socinfo | Error: "nexy" is not a valid command. |
| 06:26.48 | cjhopman | !next |
| 06:26.48 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 06:26.59 | cjhopman | oh, still that. |
| 06:27.17 | ojwb | as I said 10 minutes ago, that's probably not going to change until 20th... |
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| 06:27.33 | skbohra | many like me are still waiting for that :) |
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| 06:28.04 | ojwb | pass your time by talking to getting involved with your org |
| 06:28.10 | ojwb | it'll improve your chances of selection |
| 06:28.18 | mib_hxee4m | Hi when will the no of slots for an org be announced? |
| 06:28.24 | ojwb | 20th |
| 06:28.41 | skbohra | ojwb: yes I am |
| 06:29.00 | ojwb | skbohra: cool! |
| 06:29.23 | cjhopman | ojwb: i'm gonna do !next at least once a day til it changes, just for you |
| 06:29.44 | ojwb | just like everyone else then |
| 06:30.05 | cjhopman | yeah, people do it a lot, don't they |
| 06:30.11 | Catfish_Man | cjhopman: I could arrange for you to not do that :P |
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| 06:30.48 | cjhopman | i just want to get on the stats page for saying !next the most |
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| 06:31.29 | ojwb | socinfo: forget next |
| 06:31.29 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 06:31.44 | cjhopman | !next |
| 06:31.45 | socinfo | Error: "next" is not a valid command. |
| 06:31.51 | cjhopman | i knew it would change before the 20th. |
| 06:31.54 | ojwb | socinfo: learn next as Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 06:31.55 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 06:32.05 | ojwb | cjhopman: ok, it's changed, you can stop now |
| 06:32.08 | cjhopman | lol |
| 06:32.11 | cjhopman | ok |
| 06:33.32 | mib_hxee4m | ojwb: you said 20th? but orgs have to decide among their students by 15th right? |
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| 06:35.17 | mib_hxee4m | hi socinfo |
| 06:35.37 | summatusmentis | the bot doesn't really talk :) |
| 06:35.55 | uzytkownik | Hello. I have such problem - I've been suggested to change the org. However unfortunatly I received it with a week delay(I thought I have been subscribed to all applications - I had not to one. Can anyone name one reason why I'd not like to be subscribed to my own application?). Is changing org is still possible by anyone or it is 'lost'? Regards |
| 06:36.04 | mib_hxee4m | summatusmentis: you tell me, when do the orgs get to know their slots |
| 06:36.22 | summatusmentis | mib_hxee4m: soon, I'm not sure exactly :) |
| 06:36.31 | mib_hxee4m | summatusmentis: before 15th na? |
| 06:36.39 | summatusmentis | I don't honestly know |
| 06:37.12 | summatusmentis | uzytkownik: changing the org of your app? I'm not sure how that works |
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| 06:56.47 | ojwb | uzytkownik: the melange developers can move applications between orgs apparently |
| 06:57.07 | ojwb | uzytkownik: I don't know the details, but ask them on #melange I guess |
| 06:57.37 | ojwb | (and yes, the "not subscribing students to their applications by default" is widely viewed as something of a mistake) |
| 06:57.53 | uzytkownik | ojwb: Ok. Thanks |
| 06:58.11 | ojwb | mib_hxee4m: orgs will know provisional slots before 20th, but the numbers aren't final until the accepted students are announced |
| 06:58.44 | mib_hxee4m | ojwb: how will orgs know how many to select then? |
| 06:58.44 | ojwb | and they aren't public AFAIK |
| 06:59.08 | ojwb | orgs rank the students in the order they would accept them |
| 06:59.08 | mib_hxee4m | ok |
| 06:59.33 | ojwb | mib_hxee4m: you just need to be patient I'm afraid |
| 07:00.05 | uzytkownik | ojwb: I know I read about it - but it didn't stopped me from complaining |
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| 07:00.42 | jorrit | Hi |
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| 07:02.37 | codestr0m | I asked this last night, but it seems my net crash was really bad timing.. I can't rate my students application in Melange now.. (where's the deadline about the 8th.. was it midnight?) |
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| 07:10.51 | saiyr | i'm awake, but am a student :p |
| 07:11.15 | jorrit | !next |
| 07:11.15 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 07:11.25 | jorrit | !timeline |
| 07:11.25 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 07:12.43 | amol | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.48 | amol | and no replies? |
| 07:13.13 | jorrit | amol: then you wait I suppose. |
| 07:13.13 | thiago_home | read the second sentence of the "!next" reply |
| 07:13.14 | codestr0m | jorrit: I was able to rate yesterday.. now I can't.. that's the different. the 8th we had to let them know how many slots we requested.. |
| 07:13.43 | jorrit | hmm no idea what's going on. |
| 07:13.50 | amol | getting no replies from org. |
| 07:14.06 | jorrit | amol: on what kind of question? |
| 07:14.38 | amol | any kind...just no reply... |
| 07:14.48 | jorrit | I'm just curious why you expect them to reply. |
| 07:14.48 | amol | no activity on the mailing list also |
| 07:14.50 | jorrit | the orgs are very busy. |
| 07:14.54 | jorrit | Evaluating all proposals. |
| 07:14.57 | thiago_home | what did you ask? |
| 07:14.58 | jorrit | If they have questions they will ask them. |
| 07:14.58 | amol | on the application |
| 07:15.17 | amol | I am unable to make any contact with the mentors |
| 07:15.33 | amol | which I should have done long time back |
| 07:15.45 | AlekSi | gots many replies... many pros, many cons. |
| 07:16.02 | devvrat | 1slots |
| 07:16.07 | devvrat | !slots |
| 07:16.07 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 07:16.28 | ojwb | codestr0m: try selecting "mentor comment" not "public comment" |
| 07:16.36 | ojwb | then you should see the ranking choices |
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| 07:16.41 | ojwb | (the interface has changed) |
| 07:17.43 | amol | mentor comments??? where are they? |
| 07:17.51 | thiago_home | in the web interface |
| 07:17.56 | thiago_home | if the mentors have made any comments |
| 07:18.05 | amol | :( no they have nt |
| 07:18.15 | codestr0m | ojwb: thanks.. UI changes with no note are non-intuitive :P |
| 07:18.41 | ojwb | also, the default is now a public comment, not a private one |
| 07:18.46 | ojwb | which is a bit of a gotcha |
| 07:19.20 | ojwb | amol: probably means you application is too perfect or too rubbish... |
| 07:19.33 | ojwb | or they're just busy digging through still |
| 07:19.43 | saiyr | amol: talk to them in irc? |
| 07:19.55 | amol | the IRC has no aactivity |
| 07:20.07 | AlekSi | students can see only public comments? |
| 07:20.09 | amol | maybe the application is rubbish>.....but not too rubbish |
| 07:20.13 | amol | I worked hard on it |
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| 07:20.16 | codestr0m | amol: as a mentor from another org.. I can say many people are super busy |
| 07:20.23 | codestr0m | spring break just ended in a few places |
| 07:20.35 | amol | but the IRC and mailing list have no activity |
| 07:20.42 | amol | as if everything is pre planned |
| 07:22.12 | jorrit | amol: they are not going to choose students publicly. |
| 07:22.19 | jorrit | amol: most likely they have private meetings. |
| 07:22.22 | jorrit | Just like we do in our org. |
| 07:22.42 | amol | how do they reply?? |
| 07:22.50 | amol | not on IRC not on mailing list?? |
| 07:22.53 | amol | then what? |
| 07:23.04 | jorrit | Well we do the private meetings on IRC. |
| 07:23.11 | jorrit | In a private room created for this purpose. |
| 07:23.25 | jorrit | But by email is also possible (either on a private mailing list or else by just using standard email) |
| 07:23.28 | amol | the mentors are not visible there |
| 07:23.40 | amol | and the IRC logs are just about a few 100 lines a day |
| 07:23.49 | jorrit | amol: the IRC logs only show the logs of the PUBLIC room. |
| 07:23.53 | amol | mailing list also no good |
| 07:23.58 | jorrit | amol: they don't show the logs of any private room that they might be using. |
| 07:24.08 | amol | okk... |
| 07:24.19 | amol | but how do I spot them if they never reply |
| 07:24.29 | amol | they sure are not with their real names |
| 07:24.32 | jorrit | I'm still wondering why you are expecting a reply. |
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| 07:24.51 | jorrit | Let them do their work. |
| 07:24.53 | amol | just to discuss about the project |
| 07:24.56 | jorrit | i.e. selecting the best proposals. |
| 07:25.01 | jorrit | If they have questions they will contact you. |
| 07:25.03 | jorrit | Not the other way around. |
| 07:25.16 | amol | and if I have questions?? |
| 07:25.28 | jorrit | I can't answer that since you haven't told us what kind of question you could have. |
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| 07:25.50 | amol | about the API of the project |
| 07:25.59 | jorrit | Well why would this be important at this stage? |
| 07:26.06 | jorrit | What is important at this stage is choosing the best applications. |
| 07:26.16 | jorrit | It is not important for you (at this moment) to know the API of the project. |
| 07:26.22 | jorrit | This will become important IF you are accepted. |
| 07:26.24 | jorrit | But not right now. |
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| 07:27.04 | amol | Just for info...what should I do right now except waiting? |
| 07:27.32 | ThomasWaldmann | amol: did you subscribe to your application? |
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| 07:27.41 | amol | yes I did |
| 07:27.56 | amol | and check it daily |
| 07:27.57 | jorrit | amol: either study the project you want to work for a bit or else just wait. |
| 07:28.01 | ThomasWaldmann | good :) |
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| 07:28.31 | amol | I think you are right...I should just wait and watch |
| 07:28.43 | ThomasWaldmann | maybe some potential mentor also did. so maybe read through your own application and if you have ideas about improving it, post a comment :) |
| 07:28.53 | jorrit | I don't know how your org works but in my case we're very busy evaluating applications. |
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| 07:29.12 | amol | cool |
| 07:29.32 | amol | hope someone watched mine |
| 07:29.33 | amol | how do i know if it has been checked out |
| 07:29.34 | amol | by someone |
| 07:29.37 | ThomasWaldmann | if they didn't request "show me some source" from you, but you could, do it |
| 07:30.21 | amol | I had submitted the code link along with the application |
| 07:30.34 | ThomasWaldmann | ok |
| 07:30.55 | amol | thanx for all the info |
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| 07:31.15 | ThomasWaldmann | well, *I* usually invite the students to our irc channel if i review their app. and usually i also have questions for them in a comment. |
| 07:32.04 | ThomasWaldmann | if they received lots of applications, maybe they are still busy processing them |
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| 07:36.35 | ojwb | different orgs handle things very differently |
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| 07:37.18 | jorrit | yes, we just use dice to see which applications we accept. |
| 07:38.00 | ojwb | suspects that for us, the final choices will come down to what the mentors we have would feel happiest mentoring |
| 07:38.19 | ojwb | the final "which of these two" last year did |
| 07:38.44 | ojwb | hard to know how many slots we'll get though |
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| 08:00.54 | omniter | ubuntu kicks ass :D |
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| 08:04.18 | Remoun | Okay, why can't I edit my proposals? |
| 08:04.32 | omniter | you can't edit them after the deadline |
| 08:04.35 | omniter | which was a while ago actually |
| 08:04.41 | omniter | you can comment on them still though |
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| 08:06.49 | chunmun | Remoun: you can if the mentor allows you to. |
| 08:07.32 | omniter | chunmun, you can? |
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| 08:07.57 | omniter | iirc, you can't make changes to the one on your gsoc account |
| 08:08.05 | omniter | did they change the rules :S |
| 08:08.13 | chunmun | omniter: Guess that change was pushed sometime back.. |
| 08:08.26 | chunmun | omniter: had heard in melange |
| 08:08.36 | chunmun | omniter: in #melange |
| 08:08.41 | omniter | ah |
| 08:08.59 | ojwb | I heard that change was coming |
| 08:09.06 | ojwb | but as a mentor, *how* do I allow that? |
| 08:09.46 | ojwb | one of the melange guys said it was appearing soon, but I don't see a button for it yet |
| 08:10.08 | ojwb | oh, or is it just you can edit in response to a public comment, like last year? |
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| 08:10.59 | ajuonline | *check* box? |
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| 08:11.58 | ojwb | looks |
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| 08:12.41 | ojwb | nope, can't see one |
| 08:12.49 | ojwb | whichever comment-type I select |
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| 08:13.49 | madrazr | chunmun: yes |
| 08:13.50 | madrazr | ? |
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| 08:14.19 | chunmun | madrazr: the update that was supposed to allow students to edit their proposal if allowed by mentors |
| 08:14.32 | chunmun | madrazr: was it pushed? |
| 08:14.50 | madrazr | chunmun: unfortunately they could not review it yet, so did not get into yesterday's release |
| 08:14.59 | madrazr | expected for Thursday or Friday |
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| 08:15.04 | madrazr | chunmun: no promises though |
| 08:15.13 | chunmun | madrazr: ah.. alright.. |
| 08:15.33 | chunmun | ojwb: that change hasn't been pushed yet |
| 08:15.35 | chunmun | :P |
| 08:15.40 | madrazr | chunmun: you can continue editing remotely and push the changes into socghop on thursday or friday |
| 08:15.47 | ojwb | madrazr, chunmun: cool, so I'm not going mad |
| 08:15.56 | chunmun | ojwb: :) |
| 08:15.58 | madrazr | ojwb: heh :) |
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| 08:16.34 | chunmun | offers apology for half cooked info :! |
| 08:17.02 | chunmun | Remoun: omniter ^^ |
| 08:17.08 | madrazr | chunmun: what was that? |
| 08:17.26 | omniter | ? |
| 08:17.29 | omniter | huh? |
| 08:17.33 | chunmun | madrazr: I told them students can now edit if mentors allowed :P |
| 08:17.50 | chunmun | omniter: that change is yet to be pushed :P |
| 08:17.54 | omniter | ah |
| 08:18.09 | omniter | who's Remoun? |
| 08:18.11 | omniter | :S |
| 08:18.24 | omniter | oh that guy |
| 08:18.28 | omniter | nvm lol |
| 08:18.31 | chunmun | lolz |
| 08:18.38 | madrazr | chunmun: actually it was supposed to get in yesterday, but we all know Pawel, Sverre and Lennie are working their hearts, souls and ***s out. So could not review it |
| 08:18.45 | omniter | anyway... back to work makin a wacom settings script for ubuntu :) |
| 08:19.09 | chunmun | madrazr: alright :) |
| 08:19.33 | chunmun | doesnt mind the issue much though.. comments are always there.. |
| 08:19.44 | madrazr | chunmun: yeah of course :) |
| 08:21.06 | Remoun | Yeah, I heard that students should be able to update their proposals |
| 08:21.33 | Remoun | way back when the proposals were due (April 3) |
| 08:21.39 | Remoun | But I never saw it. |
| 08:22.00 | Remoun | And there's an Edit link, so I thought I would be able to use it. :-) |
| 08:22.14 | Remoun | But I get a "This page is inactive at this time". :-/ |
| 08:22.16 | ojwb | you could update until the deadline |
| 08:22.49 | ojwb | suspects the idea is to prevent students submitting "dummy" applications a minute before the deadline and then working on them |
| 08:23.56 | Remoun | had done exactly that. :-) |
| 08:24.08 | Ivanovic | sees a more important reason: |
| 08:24.13 | ojwb | well then, you don't deserve a place... |
| 08:24.16 | Remoun | Although it was just a timeline that's missing. |
| 08:24.28 | ojwb | ah, that's not so bad |
| 08:24.28 | Ivanovic | when you are only able to submit stuff as comments your mentors will *see* that you updated your application |
| 08:24.37 | Remoun | ojwb: Can you really jump to the conclusion that quickly? |
| 08:24.47 | ojwb | if it was a "dummy" application, then yes |
| 08:24.49 | Ivanovic | if you were still able to change all of the proposal it would be *hell* for the mentors |
| 08:24.58 | ojwb | plenty of students managed to submit a complete or nearly complete application |
| 08:25.02 | Ivanovic | just think if every mentor has to keep an eye on about 15 applications |
| 08:25.07 | ojwb | some of them within a few hours of applications opening |
| 08:25.32 | Ivanovic | and now each of those changes parts of it regarding the comments and there is *no* diff function, so everything has to be reread |
| 08:25.33 | ojwb | if you can't make a deadline now, what makes me think you will during the 3 months of mentoring I'm committing to? |
| 08:25.36 | Remoun | Well, yeah |
| 08:25.46 | Remoun | I thought they would be tracked |
| 08:25.57 | Remoun | wiki style, or something. |
| 08:26.44 | Remoun | As lh mentioned yesterday, "because it is ok to revise your ideas - sw design is an iterative process" |
| 08:26.54 | madrazr | patches welcome people, if any one wants to write a diff engine, we are happy for that |
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| 08:27.09 | madrazr | as said by Sverre earlier it was one of the Melange GSoC project ideas, but no one took it |
| 08:27.17 | madrazr | so you all know the scale of work required :P |
| 08:27.33 | Remoun | madrazr: I didn't know that. :-) |
| 08:27.37 | madrazr | may be we can have it on TODO for GSoC 2010 (if it happens) |
| 08:28.10 | madrazr | Remoun: Ok :) |
| 08:28.52 | kblin | Remoun: _revise_ is the important part here |
| 08:29.07 | Ivanovic | Remoun: of course revisions are welcome and wanted |
| 08:29.20 | Ivanovic | with the current way it is just that mentors are sure to *notice* those, too |
| 08:29.23 | Remoun | kblin: Well, that's exactly what I need to do. |
| 08:29.44 | kblin | Remoun: if someone just submitted a real dummy app, it's more like starting from scratch instead of revising |
| 08:29.57 | Remoun | Well, yeah |
| 08:30.19 | Ivanovic | so if for you only the timeline is missing: |
| 08:30.27 | Ivanovic | create a public comment and post it in there |
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| 08:30.48 | Remoun | Ivanovic: But I would probably revise the timeline as I get comments from the mentors |
| 08:30.48 | kblin | and it wouldn't be fair for all the people who got their act together in time to allow that |
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| 08:31.05 | kblin | Remoun: well, talk to your mentors then |
| 08:31.06 | Remoun | Ivanovic: If it was truly an edit/revision, it would be easier to track |
| 08:31.39 | Ivanovic | with a new comment each mentors will see the changes |
| 08:31.56 | Ivanovic | and since it happens due to communication with them, they will easily see the changes |
| 08:32.09 | Ivanovic | trust me, mentors are not dumb |
| 08:32.10 | Remoun | Mentors/update subscribers could still get notified of edits |
| 08:32.10 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 08:32.23 | Remoun | Ivanovic: I don't mean that they're dumb |
| 08:32.36 | Ivanovic | but unless there is a "show diff" functionality they would not be *sure* what is new |
| 08:32.46 | Remoun | Ivanovic: But I daresay it would be easier for both the mentors and the student(s) |
| 08:32.50 | kblin | Remoun: I had a student who edited his proposals during the application period.. I still didn't figure out what he changed |
| 08:32.57 | Ivanovic | and if you have >10 applications that are (if printed) more than 6 pages long you won't like it |
| 08:33.03 | Remoun | Ivanovic: Then we need a wiki-style edit with a show diff functionality. :-) |
| 08:33.16 | kblin | Remoun: patches welcome |
| 08:33.21 | Ivanovic | we don't have it so far, so comments are the best thing we get |
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| 08:34.01 | Remoun | kblin: Exactly what I was thinking |
| 08:34.31 | Remoun | kblin: I'll try and look into it sometime. |
| 08:34.36 | Ivanovic | that is: with comments you have the same functionality, just not as elegant |
| 08:34.46 | Remoun | No promises about whether it will be "on time", though. :-) |
| 08:35.07 | Remoun | Ivanovic: I agree |
| 08:35.11 | Ivanovic | though you could also ask your org if you can develop your idea in their wiki (at wesnoth this is possible for students, they basically only leave a link to their wiki page and that's it |
| 08:35.45 | Remoun | That's a good idea |
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| 08:35.55 | Ivanovic | of course we require them to post notes in the application like "yeah, saw your comment, reacted accordingly, recheck the wiki page" |
| 08:36.21 | Remoun | But mentors/viewers would have to follow yet another link to get to the application |
| 08:36.34 | Remoun | Ivanovic: Yeah, that too |
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| 08:37.37 | Ivanovic | okay, it also has some bad side effects, some perfectionists write extremely large proposals since in the wiki it is not this bad (and they can create X sub pages with extra info...) |
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| 08:38.45 | Ivanovic | you end with applications like this: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeProposal_AI_Improvement_Crab |
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| 08:39.20 | chunmun | Ivanovic: have seen that particular application mentioned a number of times now :P |
| 08:39.25 | Ivanovic | Remoun: and now consider having several applications of this size (this is the case for us!) and to keep track without any form of diff/history |
| 08:39.50 | kblin | hm, crabs.. |
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| 08:39.57 | kblin | feels hungry now |
| 08:40.07 | chunmun | Ivanovic: just out of curosity.. that particular application is supposed to be *good* rt? |
| 08:40.28 | chunmun | offers muffins to kblin |
| 08:40.29 | Ivanovic | chunmun: i am just providing Remoun with a perfect example of why it would be bad if students could still alter their main applications while review has already started |
| 08:40.44 | Ivanovic | chunmun: yes, it is a really good one |
| 08:41.02 | mlankhorst | It's crazy good :P |
| 08:41.03 | Ivanovic | mainly because for ai projects we want to see that the student has an idea where they are getting into |
| 08:41.17 | scorche | holy crap...awesome app |
| 08:41.33 | Ivanovic | when we don't see this and just get some "yeah, i want to create a better ai" it is a clear case of "won't work, out of scope" |
| 08:41.35 | mlankhorst | Putting the rest to shame :D |
| 08:41.41 | madrazr | is that a proposal or what? design documentation, eh? |
| 08:41.53 | chunmun | madrazr: :P |
| 08:42.03 | scorche | is in awe |
| 08:42.14 | madrazr | feels ashamed :( |
| 08:42.17 | Ivanovic | madrazr: it is the result of a student *very* actively working with us since wesnoth was announced as participating in SoC |
| 08:42.33 | madrazr | Ivanovic: when is he working from? |
| 08:42.40 | mlankhorst | ukraine it says :P |
| 08:42.43 | Remoun | Ivanovic: It's quite thorough. :-) |
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| 08:43.01 | Ivanovic | Remoun: and we have some more that are almost as long/detailed |
| 08:43.08 | mlankhorst | .. crazy |
| 08:43.09 | madrazr | Ivanovic: how many months I meant? |
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| 08:43.28 | madrazr | Ivanovic: and you are org admin of wesnoth? |
| 08:43.43 | Ivanovic | madrazr: he basically joined our irc chan on march 19th |
| 08:43.49 | Ivanovic | yes, i am org admin for wesnoth |
| 08:44.01 | madrazr | Ivanovic: Oh, I am seriously ashamed then |
| 08:44.04 | madrazr | it is hardly 20 days |
| 08:44.11 | madrazr | he has so many patches on his list :( |
| 08:44.15 | kblin | scorche: crab, not crap :) |
| 08:44.25 | chunmun | consoles madrazr |
| 08:44.27 | Ivanovic | madrazr: and those parches are non trival stuff! |
| 08:44.35 | chunmun | is no better :( |
| 08:44.39 | scorche | kblin: crab doesnt rhyme with app though =( |
| 08:44.52 | Ivanovic | yes, i am *really* impressed with his knowledge and ability to get into things |
| 08:45.04 | madrazr | Ivanovic: :) |
| 08:45.07 | madrazr | chunmun: :( |
| 08:45.09 | Ivanovic | (since our code is far from trival (and not too well documented...) |
| 08:45.15 | chunmun | crab s gonna tear apart his competitors :P |
| 08:45.16 | scorche | Ivanovic: after GSoC, you should tell him to come work for Rockbox >_> |
| 08:45.28 | Ivanovic | scorche: no way, we keep him! |
| 08:45.28 | scorche | s/for/on |
| 08:45.30 | Ivanovic | ^^ |
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| 08:46.00 | chunmun | lolz |
| 08:46.34 | madrazr | lh: can you put that proposal to GSoC-2010 FAQ? :P |
| 08:46.54 | madrazr | number of students will come down to 1000 or even less I bet, if you do that |
| 08:46.56 | madrazr | runs |
| 08:46.57 | madrazr | :D |
| 08:46.59 | Ivanovic | madrazr: better not, it would shock several possible candidates and the number of applications would seriously drop |
| 08:47.01 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 08:47.15 | madrazr | Ivanovic: heh yeah |
| 08:47.21 | chunmun | lolz true |
| 08:47.29 | bobbens | Ivanovic: this year I'm seeing a lot of applications like that, especially on projects I want to work on :P |
| 08:47.33 | chunmun | cant be a student next year :( |
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| 08:47.43 | chunmun | college finishes in another 5 weeks :( |
| 08:47.53 | madrazr | chunmun: rock! good chance to become a mentor |
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| 08:48.08 | madrazr | chunmun: same case here |
| 08:48.18 | chunmun | madrazr: was considering to mentor this year as well :P |
| 08:48.23 | Ivanovic | bobbens: we are not only impressed by the text he is written in the application |
| 08:48.27 | madrazr | chunmun: Oh Ok |
| 08:48.30 | chunmun | then thought otherwise :P |
| 08:48.36 | Ivanovic | but by far more by how helpfull he is in our irc chan |
| 08:48.56 | bobbens | Ivanovic: well I applied to some turkish distro, I don't understand anything in the IRC chan :P |
| 08:49.00 | Ivanovic | that is: he explains parts of the code he just started on to other soc students (and is 100% correct with what he says) |
| 08:49.40 | Ivanovic | he fixes bugs sometimes in completely other areas of the code and if he does not directly fix them he posts *great* bug reports about issues |
| 08:50.03 | kblin | Ivanovic: I'll be interested in how the AI stuff turns out |
| 08:50.33 | kblin | I've been dabbling with game ai for years, in the few moments I could set aside for this |
| 08:50.42 | Ivanovic | for us it is normal that a new contributor gets "full developer priviledges" (commit rights, almost godlike in teh forums, ...) after about two to three meaningfull patches |
| 08:50.49 | bobbens | Ivanovic: I'm curious though, why don't you guys move AI to all scripted languages? You don't even have to worry about slowness since it's turn-based :) |
| 08:51.16 | kblin | for WorldForge my biggest problem is that it's not turn-based, and the tick speed is a bit slow |
| 08:51.24 | Ivanovic | after he had commit privs (did not take him long!) he pasted his next change as patch, too |
| 08:51.25 | madrazr | Ivanovic: is he a human or what? Super Ninja? |
| 08:51.35 | bobbens | well I'm working on a realtime game, and am doing it all scripted, although my ticks are fast |
| 08:51.39 | kblin | so even simple things like not walking into trees is kind of hard |
| 08:51.44 | Ivanovic | this was basically a 1000 lines patch refactoring part of the ai to make it hot pluggable |
| 08:51.47 | bobbens | and I'm seeing people with like 3000 fps with that |
| 08:51.59 | Ivanovic | madrazr: i'd guess "super ultra ninjy" is closer |
| 08:52.05 | bobbens | and that's with 100+ AI states at once |
| 08:52.08 | kblin | well, trees aren't that bad, they don't move very fast |
| 08:52.10 | bobbens | but Lua is fast like that :P |
| 08:52.16 | chancellor | kblin: lol |
| 08:52.31 | Ivanovic | bobbens: you know, when it is the ais turn and the ai needs five mins for its turn it is problematic, too |
| 08:52.33 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 08:52.50 | kblin | but my stupid forester keeps running into the wolf also running around in the forest and getting stuck |
| 08:52.53 | bobbens | Ivanovic: well I'm getting 3000 fps on some boxes with 200+ Lua actors *realtime* :) |
| 08:53.09 | bobbens | so I don't think it should be much of an issue for you (and no this isn't some simple game) |
| 08:53.14 | Ivanovic | might be, but our ais are not very "efficently" coded |
| 08:53.30 | Ivanovic | especially due to our ruleset |
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| 08:53.45 | Ivanovic | the ai basically simulates the combats that it would get into with a specific move |
| 08:54.00 | bobbens | well you write the time-critical stuff in C and pass parameters from the scripting language |
| 08:54.06 | bobbens | Ivanovic: wesnoth AI always frustrates me :P |
| 08:54.07 | Ivanovic | and of course order of moves does matter and you need several moves to get a good estimates on the number of hits |
| 08:54.11 | bobbens | they gangbang my heros and I lose :P |
| 08:54.51 | bobbens | so you guys are like brute forcing? |
| 08:54.57 | bobbens | or using a heuristic model? |
| 08:55.06 | Ivanovic | our "boss" has already posted a proposal on how ai can (slowly) be restructured over the following months (not SoC!): http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=24511 |
| 08:55.07 | chancellor | sounds like deep blue |
| 08:57.00 | Ivanovic | chancellor: deep blue has an easier job because chess is deterministic |
| 08:57.07 | Ivanovic | that is: you *can* compute a complete game tree |
| 08:57.43 | Ivanovic | wesnoth has a random element in fights, due to this it is not deterministic and "a little more difficult" to work with |
| 08:58.25 | chancellor | ah i see |
| 08:58.48 | bobbens | that's where you should take a statistical approach :) |
| 08:59.00 | bobbens | you can calculate the p-value of killing a unit and such :P |
| 08:59.04 | bobbens | and take decisions on that |
| 08:59.18 | Ivanovic | bobbens: and still you have to reevaluate every possible unit move after one unit moved and fought |
| 08:59.34 | bobbens | I'm sure you can do it with some big matrix |
| 08:59.42 | bobbens | you just need some mathmeticians |
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| 08:59.53 | Ivanovic | oh, this stuff is possible, it just is clearly non trival |
| 08:59.59 | Ivanovic | especially when the next part gets in: |
| 09:00.03 | Ivanovic | leadership and healing |
| 09:00.05 | kblin | whoa |
| 09:00.19 | kblin | what's up with attacks on my ssh server today? |
| 09:00.31 | chancellor | can you give us a simple example of a fight? |
| 09:00.36 | kblin | that's like the 20th host blocked this morning |
| 09:00.36 | Ivanovic | leadership leads to your fighters doing more damage when the "leader" is close by, so the leader has to be moved first to boost your own attacks |
| 09:01.15 | Ivanovic | and healers also have attacks, does it make more sense to move them early and attack, or to move them last where "most healing" is required? |
| 09:01.27 | bobbens | well in the heuristics you take that into account |
| 09:01.29 | Ivanovic | chancellor: there the problem starts, there is no "general simple example" |
| 09:01.34 | bobbens | I rarely attack with healers |
| 09:01.36 | bobbens | they always die |
| 09:01.43 | bobbens | because they have low health and AI will focus on them |
| 09:01.57 | bobbens | so I move in "hexagon groups" with healers in middle :P |
| 09:01.59 | Ivanovic | bobbens: ah, but you *have* to attack with them every now and then to be able to level them |
| 09:02.08 | bobbens | Ivanovic: you use them to pick off zombies :P |
| 09:02.12 | Ivanovic | since leveled healers are by far more powerfull than the "basic ones" |
| 09:02.15 | bobbens | when fights are guaranteed to win |
| 09:02.20 | bobbens | or to finish off units |
| 09:02.24 | bobbens | when you know they'll die that turn |
| 09:02.40 | chancellor | hmm interesting problem you have at hand |
| 09:02.53 | Ivanovic | ah, but due to randomness you don' *know* that the unit dies, you just assume it will |
| 09:02.54 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 09:03.06 | bobbens | Ivanovic: well you minimize risk :) |
| 09:03.17 | bobbens | if you have like 5 rangers and a druid vs 2 zombies, chances are they will die |
| 09:03.25 | bobbens | so you can attack with the druid |
| 09:03.43 | bobbens | is pretty conservative in wesnoth because otherwise all his units die one-by-one to AI focusing |
| 09:03.57 | Ivanovic | chancellor: i think this also explains why we want really detailed proposals when it comes to ai related tasks in SoC since "i want to do it better" is nothing that really is possible over SoC |
| 09:04.10 | bobbens | gameplay does reward focusing on one target though |
| 09:04.22 | bobbens | you guys need area effect stuff :P |
| 09:04.25 | bobbens | hit multiple targets :P |
| 09:05.08 | bobbens | goes back to working before he gets sidetracked |
| 09:05.17 | Ivanovic | :) |
| 09:05.21 | chancellor | ah i see, pardon my ignorance of how wesnoth is played. |
| 09:05.22 | Wolf_OSGeo | do we have to decide which project a student with multiple proposals should do by the preliminary slot count? |
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| 09:05.47 | Ivanovic | Wolf_OSGeo: you have do decide it till april 20th |
| 09:06.02 | Wolf_OSGeo | good :) |
| 09:06.39 | Wolf_OSGeo | since we are having a hard time to pick between a few |
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| 09:07.43 | Ivanovic | Wolf_OSGeo: it always comes down to a hard choice, doesn't it? |
| 09:08.20 | madrazr | Ivanovic: Wolf_OSGeo: student duplicate proposals are already visible to mentors? As in if a student has applied to multiple orgs? |
| 09:08.32 | Ivanovic | madrazr: no |
| 09:08.40 | madrazr | Ivanovic: Ok |
| 09:08.44 | Wolf_OSGeo | madrazr: I'm talking within the same org |
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| 09:08.59 | madrazr | Wolf_OSGeo: Oh Ok. I just got confused |
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| 09:09.36 | Wolf_OSGeo | well we are an umbrella org, so we have multiple projects within the same org.. I get confused at times :P |
| 09:09.48 | kblin | hehe |
| 09:09.50 | kblin | sighs |
| 09:09.59 | madrazr | Wolf_OSGeo: which org? |
| 09:10.05 | kblin | damn, I should write an AI to finish my thesis in time |
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| 09:10.20 | chancellor | what's your thesis on? |
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| 09:11.10 | Wolf_OSGeo | madrazr: OSGeo ;) |
| 09:11.20 | madrazr | Wolf_OSGeo: heh Ok :) |
| 09:11.44 | madrazr | is just making himself a fool ;-) |
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| 09:11.51 | kblin | chancellor: protein engineering on aconitases |
| 09:11.52 | Wolf_OSGeo | kblin: I could use the same AI |
| 09:12.04 | chancellor | interesting, i've read about that somewhere |
| 09:12.07 | Wolf_OSGeo | well I know what I want to write, I just need someone to type it for me :P |
| 09:12.26 | Wolf_OSGeo | perhaps I should hire a monkey |
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| 09:14.08 | kblin | Wolf_OSGeo: hehe, I'm a bit less sure about what to write |
| 09:14.17 | kblin | the typing is easy, just boring |
| 09:14.58 | gerv | Are any other admins currently unable to allocate mentors to proposals in the web interface? |
| 09:15.03 | Wolf_OSGeo | kblin: tell me about it (still 9 pages to type for my bachelor thesis) |
| 09:15.18 | Wolf_OSGeo | gerv: hang on |
| 09:15.22 | chancellor | what's yours about wolf? |
| 09:15.23 | Wolf_OSGeo | I'm checking now |
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| 09:15.42 | Ivanovic | gerv: have a look at the mentor ml |
| 09:15.48 | Ivanovic | was just brought up there and answered |
| 09:15.50 | gerv | Ivanovic: Thanks. |
| 09:16.04 | Ivanovic | basically you have to switch to "admin mode" in the drop down box above teh comment field |
| 09:16.27 | gerv | Ah! |
| 09:16.46 | kblin | gerv: I'm told we get to whine at mithro :) |
| 09:16.48 | Wolf_OSGeo | chancellor: algorithms for automatic label placement on maps |
| 09:16.55 | gerv | OK :-) |
| 09:17.14 | kblin | Wolf_OSGeo: ha, I wish. about 50 to go |
| 09:17.15 | gerv | "Admin comment" should be the default for admins, at the very least. |
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| 09:17.49 | kblin | gerv: yeah, I think it should always default to the level with most features |
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| 10:22.34 | jorrit | Time to go |
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| 10:36.00 | cschmidt | hello. A proposal I have withdrawn magically appeared again in my proposals list - marked as "ineligible/withdrawn". That's a bug, isn't it? |
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| 10:41.27 | ojwb | maybe a UI change? |
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| 10:42.46 | kblin | cschmidt: as long as it's withdrawn, I wouldn't worry |
| 10:43.38 | cschmidt | ojwb: right - that is possible. Nontheless this is rather a bug than a feature. :\ |
| 10:43.51 | cschmidt | blin: ok :) |
| 10:43.59 | cschmidt | *kblin |
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| 10:44.58 | kblin | cschmidt: I dunno, it's supposed to list all your proposals |
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| 10:45.53 | ojwb | if the new UI is one list with the status set to that for withdrawn, it wouldn't seem to be a bug |
| 10:46.04 | ojwb | but if you think it is, file a ticket, or ask on #melange |
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| 10:49.37 | cschmidt | ojwb/kblin: uhm - yeah - well, I was just confused as it just reappeared overnight. I thought the "List of my ineligible/withdrawn Student Proposals. " list was just for proposals withdrawn by the mentoring organisation. |
| 10:49.44 | thebolt | hi |
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| 10:50.11 | ojwb | cschmidt: there's a new version of melange every day or two |
| 10:51.54 | cschmidt | ojwb: ok then. I am not worried any more :) Thank you! |
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| 11:04.07 | merbzt | I need to revert an application that I marked as ineligible, how do I do that ? |
| 11:04.35 | kblin | merbzt: ask on #melange, I guess |
| 11:05.25 | merbzt | thank you |
| 11:07.36 | chunmun | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.54 | chunmun | didn't know there was a way to withdraw your proposal.. |
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| 11:10.59 | cschmidt | I withdrawed it. As far as I remeber, when writing the proposal, there was a withdraw button on the very button of the page. |
| 11:11.16 | cschmidt | chunmun: *... |
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| 11:11.39 | cschmidt | chunmun: http://code.google.com/p/soc/source/browse/trunk/app/soc/templates/soc/student_proposal/edit.html |
| 11:12.19 | chunmun | cschmidt: hmmm... alright... didnt see that I guess.. :! |
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| 11:34.55 | aewp2 | The FAQ timeline has final evaluations due by Sept 2, but the linked calendar puts the deadline on Aug 24. Anyone know which should we use? |
| 11:38.49 | schumaml | !timeline |
| 11:38.49 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 11:38.57 | kblin | aewp2: both? |
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| 11:39.24 | kblin | aewp2: obviously the student "pens down" should be before the final evaluation deadline from the mentors |
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| 11:41.13 | aewp2 | schumani: thx, the FAQ timeline must be out of date |
| 11:41.18 | schumaml | all sources seem to be consistent with Aug 24 final deadline |
| 11:42.22 | ojwb | and the mentors then have a week or so to finish their evaluations |
| 11:42.31 | ojwb | which sounds about right from last year |
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| 11:45.13 | aewp2 | that makes sense - I was looking at an old one http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2008/faqs.html |
| 11:45.21 | aewp2 | d'oh |
| 11:45.51 | ojwb | oops |
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| 11:52.01 | chunmun | sabotage1:hi |
| 11:52.26 | sabotage1 | chunmun: hi |
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| 11:52.35 | chunmun | sabotage1: first time in gsoc? |
| 11:52.43 | sabotage1 | chunmun: yep |
| 11:52.49 | chunmun | sabotage1: which org? |
| 11:53.16 | sabotage1 | chunmun: is it your first time too? |
| 11:53.23 | chunmun | chunmun: nops.. 2nd.. |
| 11:53.26 | chunmun | oops |
| 11:53.27 | chunmun | :P |
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| 11:53.33 | chunmun | sabotage1: nops.. 2nd.. |
| 11:53.35 | sabotage1 | chunmun: did you participate last time? |
| 11:53.40 | chunmun | sabotage1: yups |
| 11:53.46 | sabotage1 | chunmun: which org? |
| 11:54.11 | sabotage1 | chunmun: i have applied to mifos and sakai. |
| 11:54.26 | chunmun | sabotage1: last time was drupal. this time geeklog |
| 11:54.36 | chunmun | sabotage1: which iiit are you from? |
| 11:54.38 | sabotage1 | chunmun: cool ! |
| 11:54.43 | sabotage1 | chunmun: which college? |
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| 11:55.00 | chunmun | sabotage1: NIT Trichy |
| 11:55.05 | sabotage1 | chunmun: i am from IIIT-hyd |
| 11:55.29 | chunmun | sabotage1: oh ok.. we had one from your coll last yr as well.. |
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| 11:56.08 | chunmun | sabotage1: goes by the nick of something like Bordeaux |
| 11:56.08 | chunmun | sabotage1: know him? |
| 11:56.08 | sabotage1 | chunmun: yeah .. |
| 11:56.11 | chunmun | sabotage1: nice |
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| 11:56.26 | chunmun | sabotage1: been to ##gsoc-india ? |
| 11:56.39 | chunmun | feels like recruitment agent for the channel |
| 11:56.50 | chunmun | gives evil grin :) |
| 11:57.04 | sabotage1 | chunmun: yeah .. did hang in for a while there but it was mostly non-gsoc related stuff.. |
| 11:57.13 | sabotage1 | chunmun: :D |
| 11:57.35 | chunmun | sabotage1: ya.. that channel has become kinda too.. {censored} |
| 11:57.35 | j-b | !timeline |
| 11:57.35 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 11:57.43 | chunmun | hopes ajuonline is not around |
| 11:57.46 | chunmun | :P |
| 11:57.55 | sabotage1 | chunmun: he he!! |
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| 11:59.06 | sabotage1 | chunmun: so, what is your proposal this year? |
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| 12:00.25 | PearlJam | you can always join #gsoc-in |
| 12:00.27 | chunmun | sabotage1: openId library development n implementation |
| 12:00.41 | PearlJam | and feel free to ask anything there. we guys are pretty cool. we dont pick on anyone. |
| 12:00.42 | chunmun | PearlJam: yo! |
| 12:00.58 | chunmun | rushes to the other channel |
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| 12:06.58 | ajuonline | whacks chunmun |
| 12:07.43 | ajuonline | PearlJam: thats a fake channel :P |
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| 12:08.28 | PearlJam | you own the exclusive rights for GSoC India? |
| 12:08.47 | ajuonline | PearlJam: you talking to me? no. |
| 12:09.13 | chunmun | ajuonline: chill |
| 12:09.24 | chunmun | no need to wash your linen in public |
| 12:09.39 | chunmun | and there is nothing like a fake channel |
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| 12:10.13 | ajuonline | chunmun: there is. :P at least if a channel creators tell you to join a channel to get selected into gsoc:P |
| 12:10.22 | ajuonline | its a scam :P |
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| 12:11.06 | chunmun | ohk.. alright... didnt know abt that.. |
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| 12:11.08 | ojwb | yeah, it must be a scam |
| 12:11.12 | skbohra | supports ##gsoc-india :P |
| 12:11.19 | ojwb | because to get in to gsoc, you have to join *my* channel |
| 12:11.21 | chunmun | but vent ever heard anyone say so about #gsoc-in |
| 12:11.29 | chunmun | hails ojwb :) |
| 12:11.35 | ajuonline | hails ojwb |
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| 12:11.55 | ojwb | actually, the channel to join is that of the org you are applying to |
| 12:12.03 | ojwb | that could actually improve your chances |
| 12:12.10 | ajuonline | +1 "D |
| 12:12.13 | ajuonline | :D* |
| 12:12.22 | ojwb | nice beard |
| 12:13.04 | ajuonline | :P |
| 12:13.22 | venkat119 | :P |
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| 13:13.10 | nielsgl | !next |
| 13:13.11 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 13:41.43 | aghisla | bakes biscuits |
| 13:41.47 | skiquel | sup all |
| 13:41.49 | skiquel | ah nice |
| 13:41.59 | skiquel | from scratch? or pre-processed? |
| 13:42.05 | aghisla | from scratch :) |
| 13:42.12 | smtms | skiquel, it's nice if aghisla shares them with us |
| 13:42.22 | aghisla | I'm compiling chocolate right now |
| 13:42.29 | aghisla | smtms: of course |
| 13:42.48 | aghisla | when they will be ready, together with a nice cup of tea |
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| 13:43.02 | ankitg | helps aghisla with the F&B .. |
| 13:43.04 | aghisla | it's a tradition |
| 13:43.16 | aghisla | thanks ankitg |
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| 13:51.07 | anothy_x | is whether mentors are assigned to applications or not going to be used in the allocation process? |
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| 13:51.29 | anothy_x | that is, the #slots/org, not the final "which apps" decision. |
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| 13:52.12 | kblin | anothy_x: maybe? lh asked to have mentors assigned as fast as possible |
| 13:52.42 | ojwb | the timeline says they must be assigned by 15th IIRC |
| 13:52.57 | kblin | it certainly looks bad if you ask for 10 slots but only two slots have mentors assigned |
| 13:53.01 | anothy_x | i wasn't sure if that meant "now-ish" or "ahead of schedule" |
| 13:53.04 | cristi2 | did the numerr of slots / org have been published? |
| 13:53.13 | ojwb | cristi2: not until 20th |
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| 13:53.27 | cristi2 | k, 10x |
| 13:53.42 | anothy_x | we have enough mentors on applicaitons for the slots we asked for, but several apps have multiple eligible mentors, and we've not resolved that yet. |
| 13:53.51 | ojwb | yeah, same here |
| 13:54.00 | ojwb | and who gets what depends on how many slots we get |
| 13:54.06 | anothy_x | same |
| 13:54.08 | kblin | anothy_x: well, the final deadline is the 15th |
| 13:54.28 | anothy_x | sure, that won't be a problem. |
| 13:54.29 | kblin | so I guess assign all you can assign as soon as possible |
| 13:54.58 | kblin | that'll help with identifying conflicts when that is turned on in melange as well |
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| 13:55.10 | ojwb | good point! |
| 13:55.14 | Ivanovic | do some matching with your mentors on which proposals/students they would love to mentor |
| 13:55.23 | Ivanovic | assign those and then you can solve the further problems |
| 13:55.25 | anothy_x | i just want to make sure we're not going to cause lh&co problems (or shoot ourselves in the collective foot) by waiting until after the rough numbers. |
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| 13:55.48 | ojwb | doesn't know |
| 13:55.50 | kblin | so what we did is to asign mentors to all the proposals we could possibly imagine accepting |
| 13:56.08 | Ivanovic | that is: for the first round of assigning i would go for "assign at least as many as you are asking for" |
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| 13:56.29 | anothy_x | k, i'll do that today. |
| 13:57.23 | kblin | you can change the mentors later if need be |
| 13:58.50 | kblin | anothy_x: I'm not certain that this is really needed, but better safe than sorry |
| 13:58.51 | kblin | :) |
| 13:59.28 | Ivanovic | that is: having a rough idea right now won't hurt, especially since it can be altered later on to reflect any changes |
| 13:59.34 | MatthewWilkes | sighs at his ubuntu install hanging at 2% on detecting hardware/drives |
| 13:59.51 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: 9.04? |
| 13:59.54 | ojwb | hmm, is there no way to assign one of the mentors listed as possible without retyping the id? |
| 14:00.06 | Ivanovic | ojwb: i don't think so |
| 14:00.10 | kblin | ojwb: yeah. I use cut/paste |
| 14:00.11 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: 10.08 |
| 14:00.20 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: I'm having a "fun day" |
| 14:00.20 | Ivanovic | best way is probably to have the list of mentors open and copy over the ids |
| 14:00.34 | MatthewWilkes | ubuntu calls it Leaping Lizards or something |
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| 14:00.45 | MatthewWilkes | Hmm, intrepid ibex |
| 14:00.50 | ojwb | sadly the "possible mentor" gives the name |
| 14:00.53 | ojwb | not the link id |
| 14:01.02 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: 10.08? that's like the third next... |
| 14:01.06 | Ivanovic | ojwb: that is why you should have the list with project mentors open |
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| 14:01.11 | ojwb | 8.10 he means |
| 14:01.13 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: That'd be a very simple patch |
| 14:01.15 | ojwb | intrepid |
| 14:01.16 | MatthewWilkes | yup, that's the one |
| 14:01.20 | Ivanovic | there real names as well as ids are shown |
| 14:01.39 | kblin | ojwb: yeah, what Ivanovic said |
| 14:01.53 | kblin | ojwb: mentor list, and then cut/paste is what I do |
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| 14:02.02 | MatthewWilkes | Patches, people |
| 14:02.08 | MatthewWilkes | Make things easier for everyone |
| 14:02.14 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: sure. dcc me some time |
| 14:02.17 | ojwb | Ivanovic: not to me |
| 14:02.23 | ojwb | oh, in the list |
| 14:02.25 | ojwb | sorry |
| 14:02.36 | Ivanovic | :) |
| 14:02.46 | Ivanovic | i meant under "Manage Admins and Mentors" |
| 14:02.52 | MatthewWilkes | /dcc send kblin /usr/bin/time |
| 14:02.54 | Ivanovic | so having this open in a tab helps |
| 14:02.55 | MatthewWilkes | ;) |
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| 14:03.10 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: I don't have the time (or mental capacity) to learn all the prerequisites to write one |
| 14:03.16 | ojwb | and it's easier to just moan of course |
| 14:03.35 | ojwb | mostly I was just checking I hadn't missed something |
| 14:03.45 | Ivanovic | nope, this is the way it as atm |
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| 14:04.38 | MatthewWilkes | haha, take that ubuntu, -std-vga |
| 14:04.49 | ojwb | and there goes firefox |
| 14:04.54 | ojwb | sighs |
| 14:05.04 | kblin | gives ojwb a cookie |
| 14:05.08 | ojwb | ooph! |
| 14:05.32 | aghisla | takes cookies out of the oven |
| 14:06.07 | aghisla | warm chocolate cookies for everyone! |
| 14:06.47 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: also, I'm not sure if the fact that we can't get a dropdown of all our org's mentors is an appengine limitation |
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| 14:06.51 | ojwb | ooh again! |
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| 14:07.24 | ojwb | just those who are listed as possible for this application would be nice, and it seems it must know those as it just printed them |
| 14:07.30 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: Perhaps, but I'd think unlikely. At least you could display the link_ids of people who've volunteered to mentor |
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| 14:07.41 | MatthewWilkes | that would be about a 15 byte change |
| 14:07.43 | kblin | hm, good point |
| 14:07.53 | kblin | le sigh |
| 14:08.00 | kblin | checks out appengine |
| 14:08.03 | MatthewWilkes | hehehe :) |
| 14:08.18 | MatthewWilkes | it's horrible, I hate it |
| 14:08.19 | kblin | goes to read the git-svn manpage |
| 14:08.28 | MatthewWilkes | (GAE, that is) |
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| 14:25.25 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: you didn't tell me how many hoops to jump through before I can even send a patch :) |
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| 14:26.03 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: It's not that bad, checkout, modify the config yaml, run the dev appserver, make the fix, sign the cla, email |
| 14:26.43 | kblin | yeah, but I need longer to read the damn cla than I need to copy/paste mentor link_ids for the next 10 years |
| 14:26.53 | MatthewWilkes | hehe |
| 14:27.07 | kblin | doesn't itch enough |
| 14:27.16 | MatthewWilkes | itch? |
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| 14:27.36 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: I'm not paid to work on this, so all I do is scratching an itch |
| 14:27.49 | kblin | and currently it doesn't itch enough to bother scratching that much |
| 14:27.53 | MatthewWilkes | ah, i see |
| 14:28.09 | MatthewWilkes | none of the melange devs are paid to work on it, of cours |
| 14:28.09 | MatthewWilkes | e |
| 14:29.05 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: no, of course not |
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| 14:29.24 | kblin | but all I wanted to do is something that's probably a few lines worth of a patch |
| 14:29.36 | thebolt | hi kblin |
| 14:29.44 | kblin | I didn't even mind the setup time needed to get melange to work |
| 14:29.56 | kblin | but I'm not going to spend more time on legal stuff than I spend on coding |
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| 14:30.05 | WinterMute | what's a cla? |
| 14:30.18 | kblin | http://code.google.com/legal/individual-cla-v1.0.html |
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| 14:33.31 | schumaml | interesting: "Electronic Signature: Type "I AGREE" to accept the terms above." - I would have expected something like "sign the following text with your PGP/GPG key..." |
| 14:34.25 | Landon | I thought the same |
| 14:34.31 | Landon | except maybe sign it with your name :P |
| 14:35.07 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: besides, I don't like giving other people copyrights to my code |
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| 14:35.32 | kblin | for a trivial patch I of course don't care |
| 14:36.16 | atul15 | !next |
| 14:36.16 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 14:36.23 | schumaml | I guess I could sign this and that part would not apply to me |
| 14:36.37 | schumaml | 's jurisdiction doesn't know the term "copyright" |
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| 14:37.51 | r0bby | /jherk/jerk |
| 14:38.03 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: You're german, right? |
| 14:38.23 | kblin | yup |
| 14:39.00 | MatthewWilkes | you can't transfer copyright anyway then |
| 14:39.28 | kblin | well, I'm not sure how much of this would hold up in a US court ;) |
| 14:39.33 | MatthewWilkes | hehe |
| 14:39.48 | MatthewWilkes | But you could have some fun |
| 14:39.55 | kblin | shrugs |
| 14:40.01 | MatthewWilkes | ah, here it is, (1) Das Urheberrecht ist nicht übertragbar, es sei denn, es wird in Erfüllung einer Verfügung von Todes wegen oder an Miterben im Wege der Erbauseinandersetzung übertragen. |
| 14:40.08 | Ivanovic | kblin: you know, you *produced* the code in germany, so german law applies on the produces code first |
| 14:40.16 | MatthewWilkes | Only one way for google to get your copyright ;) |
| 14:40.28 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: they could hire me, of cours |
| 14:40.29 | kblin | e |
| 14:40.36 | MatthewWilkes | yeah |
| 14:40.41 | MatthewWilkes | or marry and kill you |
| 14:40.46 | MatthewWilkes | prefers my way |
| 14:40.50 | kblin | hehe |
| 14:40.57 | Ivanovic | MatthewWilkes: uhm, we need kblin |
| 14:40.58 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 14:41.12 | holger | MatthewWilkes: you can still license it exclusively. which is pretty much the same thing. |
| 14:41.14 | kblin | decides to watch out for female ninjas then |
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| 14:41.42 | Ivanovic | kblin: be carefull, they might send out leslie and drown you in coffee |
| 14:41.44 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 14:41.53 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: Always a good plan |
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| 14:42.05 | Landon | MatthewWilkes: marrying google would be intense |
| 14:42.10 | Landon | and probably not allowed in 49 states! |
| 14:42.35 | Ivanovic | Landon: uhm, in utah it should be possible... |
| 14:42.37 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 14:42.37 | WinterMute | rofl |
| 14:42.39 | kblin | er, hang on |
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| 14:42.51 | Landon | Ivanovic: I said 49, not 50 :P |
| 14:42.54 | kblin | melange is under a CC-BY license? |
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| 14:43.02 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: No, Apache 2 |
| 14:43.24 | kblin | oh, the page about developing melange is under a CC-BY license |
| 14:44.23 | mmadia | is anyone else seeing very recent spam on google-summer-of-code-discuss@googlegroups.com ? |
| 14:45.38 | PearlJam | mmadia: yes. just about 5 minutes ago. |
| 14:45.43 | patri | mmadia: +1 |
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| 14:47.47 | kblin | !bugs |
| 14:47.47 | socinfo | "bugs" is Melange bugs are tracked at http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list |
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| 14:50.59 | kblin | ojwb: there's already an issue filed for it |
| 14:51.27 | SantyByron | !next |
| 14:51.27 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 14:58.28 | SRabbelier | kblin: btw, the change for the autocompletion is slightly non-trivial |
| 14:58.36 | SRabbelier | kblin: not too much |
| 14:58.56 | SRabbelier | kblin: but I think it'd involve adding info to the form that's not there |
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| 14:59.15 | kblin | SRabbelier: I was going for a quick fix of just providing the mentors that are willing to mentor |
| 14:59.19 | kblin | that's got to be there |
| 14:59.32 | SRabbelier | kblin: mhhhh |
| 15:01.02 | kblin | SRabbelier: but.. -> #melange |
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| 15:09.45 | lh | !allocationtiming |
| 15:09.46 | socinfo | "allocationtiming" is http://tinyurl.com/cnpxkp (if you are not subbed to the mentors mailing list, you cannot see this link) |
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| 15:10.08 | thebolt | hi lh, how do you do? |
| 15:10.20 | lh | thebolt: good unbelievably busy |
| 15:10.21 | lh | how are you? |
| 15:10.59 | thebolt | well, "landing" after my 10 days in philippines.. "cleaning up" some homework due very soon (tomorrow even some of it..) |
| 15:11.35 | lh | thebolt: good luck! :) |
| 15:11.39 | thebolt | just 14 days (or well, less than) to next travel :) |
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| 15:14.04 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Unbelievably busy? I find that hard to believe, your busyness is famed ;) |
| 15:14.23 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: :) |
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| 15:14.53 | lh | MatthewWilkes: :p |
| 15:14.57 | lh | MatthewWilkes: thanks for the patches |
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| 15:16.43 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Just doing my part, they'd be getting nowhere if Sverre and Lennie hadn't both spent a fair bit of time fixing them |
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| 15:19.35 | lh | MatthewWilkes: :) |
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| 15:20.27 | MatthewWilkes | I think we need to get them cake |
| 15:20.45 | lh | MatthewWilkes: agreed. |
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| 15:21.37 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: I want a t-shirt |
| 15:21.41 | MatthewWilkes | wonders how big a cake we could get if all the orgs chipped in $1 |
| 15:21.51 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: $150 dollar cake? |
| 15:22.06 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: That's how expensive ;) |
| 15:22.10 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: |------------------| that big |
| 15:22.14 | summatusmentis | (not to scale) |
| 15:22.18 | SRabbelier | summatusmentis: lol |
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| 15:26.58 | Ivanovic | t-shirts? |
| 15:27.00 | Ivanovic | where? |
| 15:27.02 | Ivanovic | ^^ |
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| 15:27.41 | MatthewWilkes | Ivanovic: SRabbelier has come up with the plan of Melange tshirts so he doesn't have to buy more clothes |
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| 15:28.06 | Ivanovic | uhm, what about trousers? |
| 15:28.18 | Ivanovic | at least those he has to buy, right? |
| 15:28.23 | MatthewWilkes | They're quite liberal in the netherlands |
| 15:28.39 | SRabbelier | lol |
| 15:28.42 | Ivanovic | MatthewWilkes: i am only about 100km away from the border to the netherlands... |
| 15:28.51 | Ivanovic | don't make me hide under my bed |
| 15:28.52 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: you can make trousers from shirts... I guess? |
| 15:28.53 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 15:28.55 | MatthewWilkes | Ivanovic: Oh? Where are you based? |
| 15:29.02 | Ivanovic | close to dortmund |
| 15:29.36 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRfluaMKoOY |
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| 15:30.20 | SRabbelier | hehe |
| 15:30.24 | SRabbelier | anyway, going home :) |
| 15:30.39 | MatthewWilkes | Ivanovic: More germans ;) |
| 15:31.00 | MatthewWilkes | wishes there was such a good SoC turnout near him |
| 15:31.42 | Ivanovic | just follows the instructions mr schaeuble gave him: "observe all those nerds out there to make sure that they are not going to attack us" |
| 15:31.45 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 15:31.47 | thebolt | don't think there are too many soc:ers around here either.. |
| 15:32.23 | MatthewWilkes | Ivanovic: Schäuble is a mentalist |
| 15:32.27 | MatthewWilkes | it's hilarious |
| 15:32.44 | Ivanovic | but he does not know about my secret plans |
| 15:32.47 | Ivanovic | harharhar |
| 15:33.03 | MatthewWilkes | he knows |
| 15:33.15 | MatthewWilkes | he keeps his ear close to the ground |
| 15:34.29 | schumaml | Ivanovic: Mr Schäuble wants you to attack |
| 15:34.44 | Ivanovic | schumaml: no he does not |
| 15:34.47 | Ivanovic | that is: not right now |
| 15:35.01 | Ivanovic | he asked me to wait till it is time for some religious holiday |
| 15:35.18 | schumaml | ah, so two days left |
| 15:35.25 | Ivanovic | though he has neither mentioned which religion, nor which holiday |
| 15:35.37 | Ivanovic | i am quite sure by now that he meant the towel day! |
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| 15:35.46 | Ivanovic | yes, he is a real genius |
| 15:36.08 | Ivanovic | who would have thought about any attack by a nerd on towel day?!? |
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| 15:41.30 | p_l | towel day? |
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| 15:44.52 | Ivanovic | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Towel_day |
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| 15:48.02 | t0ms | hm, that explains why some people were "wearing" a towel today at school |
| 15:48.30 | Ivanovic | but towerl day is/was not today... |
| 15:48.47 | t0ms | than I did not get it :D |
| 15:49.03 | marcosRz | what distro are u guys using? |
| 15:49.12 | t0ms | marcosRz: ArchLinux/notebook, CentOS/server |
| 15:49.38 | marcosRz | Arch is cool =) |
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| 15:51.41 | t0ms | Ivanovic: aha, 3 of my classmates went swimming to the lake... I've just seen pics. on FB |
| 15:51.45 | t0ms | marcosRz: mhm |
| 15:51.51 | t0ms | but OpenOffice sucks in Archlinux |
| 15:51.58 | t0ms | +KDE_mod4 does not work for 64bit |
| 15:52.17 | marcosRz | I'm using debian but I'm thinkin about hopping again |
| 15:52.18 | marcosRz | =x |
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| 15:52.47 | Ivanovic | i am using gentoo because it "just works" |
| 15:52.57 | Ivanovic | (at least for a geek that is used to compiling stuff) |
| 15:53.14 | t0ms | I'm using gentoo on firebird server |
| 15:53.15 | Landon | "just works" until you try to upgrade a 2005.1 installation |
| 15:53.16 | Landon | :( |
| 15:53.17 | marcosRz | I've used arch but the problem is the bsd syntax, which makes integrating some specific software harder |
| 15:53.44 | marcosRz | I guess I'm a debian distro guy =x |
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| 15:54.12 | t0ms | i don't know why, but i'm not really into debian |
| 15:55.15 | t0ms | marcosRz: mhm, what do you mean by bsd syntax? |
| 15:55.27 | t0ms | I think only rc.conf and /etc/rc.d/ is like bsd |
| 15:56.45 | marcosRz | t0ms, I know but the structure of files is kinda differente, example: I'm used to /etcc/network/interfaces for network configuration or /etc/apache2/conf.d/conf for apache |
| 15:57.01 | t0ms | marcosRz: every distro has different config files for network |
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| 15:57.07 | t0ms | marcosRz: imagine that apache is called |
| 15:57.13 | t0ms | "httpd" in RH like ditros |
| 15:57.42 | makmanalp | the project is officially now called httpd, not apache |
| 15:57.47 | makmanalp | apache is the name of the foundation |
| 15:57.47 | t0ms | aha |
| 15:57.48 | marcosRz | ahhh |
| 15:57.55 | marcosRz | I didn't know that |
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| 15:58.44 | t0ms | Ivanovic: where are you from? |
| 15:58.56 | Ivanovic | t0ms: germany, close to dortmund |
| 15:59.09 | MatthewWilkes | makmanalp: Really? |
| 15:59.28 | MatthewWilkes | interesting |
| 16:00.16 | t0ms | that explains why the website of "apache" is httpd.apache.org |
| 16:00.27 | t0ms | makmanalp: thanks for the info :) |
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| 16:02.24 | makmanalp | t0ms: no problem :P |
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| 16:16.24 | td123 | Hmmm. is it normal for an organization that I applied for to not respond yet to my application? |
| 16:16.39 | td123 | I'm wondering if they should be asking me more questions |
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| 16:17.12 | td123 | Or are there just that many that they don't have the possibility to contact everyone? |
| 16:17.28 | Raim | maybe there is just no need to contact you? |
| 16:18.10 | kblin | td123: ask them> |
| 16:18.13 | kblin | ? |
| 16:18.36 | lh | td123: you checked for comments on your application, right? |
| 16:18.52 | thiago_home | when you say "not respond yet to my application", do you mean you asked them a question and they haven't answered? |
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| 16:19.01 | thiago_home | or that you have seen nothing change in the web interface? |
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| 16:20.41 | td123 | Lh: there aren't any comments yet, I only posted some myself (minor clarifications in my proposal) |
| 16:20.59 | lh | td123: best to ask them on irc |
| 16:21.10 | lh | td123: they may just be busy honestly |
| 16:21.46 | td123 | lh: ya, I figured that too, since I'm talking about KDE, I bet they have a ton of applications |
| 16:23.19 | xMDKx | td123: yeah, my proposal don't have any comment yet, but I'll wait until the 20th (and is for KDE too) |
| 16:23.22 | Ivanovic | td123: talk to your possible mentor(s) about your application |
| 16:23.29 | Ivanovic | that is the best thing to do in general |
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| 16:24.41 | td123 | Ivanovic: understood, thanks :) |
| 16:24.57 | Ivanovic | most orgs probably favor those who communicate well right from the start |
| 16:26.15 | gitte | That is my understanding, yes. |
| 16:26.16 | xMDKx | td123: go to #kde-soc, it's the right place, ok? |
| 16:26.30 | thiago_home | td123: all proposals in KDE have been read |
| 16:26.38 | thiago_home | we're not posting any further comments to students |
| 16:26.49 | td123 | thiago_home: oh ok |
| 16:27.07 | td123 | thiago_home: but can I still talk to mentors? |
| 16:27.14 | thiago_home | sure |
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| 16:27.29 | thiago_home | #kde-soc or the more-specific subproject channel |
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| 16:39.43 | amol | anyone applying in tikiwiki? |
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| 16:41.05 | macduy | let me guess, haven't received a comment yet and worried about it? :) |
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| 16:42.00 | amol | yup |
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| 16:44.29 | macduy | you got your IDE setup? |
| 16:45.01 | amol | no...wats that? |
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| 16:45.19 | macduy | environment you gonna work in |
| 16:45.34 | amol | ya I have been working on it for long |
| 16:45.39 | amol | got the src code too |
| 16:45.49 | macduy | ah ok |
| 16:46.22 | macduy | see I chose a project I have never worked on :D |
| 16:46.52 | amol | I never worked on it before....I just used it to make my application |
| 16:47.00 | amol | and it really is fun |
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| 16:47.39 | macduy | :) |
| 16:47.45 | macduy | btw, what editor you're using? |
| 16:48.04 | Ivanovic | vim |
| 16:48.05 | Ivanovic | ^^ |
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| 16:48.21 | amol | its a php based project..I use kate/kwrite |
| 16:49.35 | macduy | ====================== |
| 16:49.46 | macduy | sorry, little sister typing there ;) |
| 16:50.14 | amol | :P |
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| 16:52.53 | amol | is there a list of no. of applications per organisation? |
| 16:53.03 | Ivanovic | nothing official available |
| 16:53.08 | Ivanovic | ask the orgs you are interested in |
| 16:53.33 | amol | ok |
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| 16:54.48 | I_love_her | Are the slots allocated ? |
| 16:54.52 | I_love_her | !slots |
| 16:54.52 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
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| 16:56.06 | t0ms | amol: +1 :) kate :) |
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| 16:56.19 | t0ms | (or zendstudio for huuuuuuuge projects) |
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| 16:56.54 | macduy | aptana anyone? :D |
| 16:56.59 | amol | @t0ms could not get u? |
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| 16:58.10 | amol | ?? |
| 16:58.38 | t0ms | amol: ? :) |
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| 16:59.10 | amol | looks like u have something against kate!!! couldnot get u on that one |
| 16:59.30 | t0ms | amol: I have nothing against kate |
| 16:59.31 | t0ms | I like it |
| 16:59.38 | Corsix | kate is a nice editor |
| 16:59.42 | Corsix | notepade++ is better ;) |
| 16:59.44 | t0ms | but it's not useful for project, which has ~100.000 lines in PHP |
| 17:00.05 | Ivanovic | uhm, for this much code there is nothing better than vim... |
| 17:00.08 | amol | I work on linux......never tried notepad++ |
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| 17:00.28 | amol | also used netbeans for PHP as an editor |
| 17:00.28 | l0nwlf_ | vim and gedit are better ones |
| 17:00.29 | gitte | Real men work with "cat >> $FILE and sed" |
| 17:00.36 | Corsix | vi is my editor of choice over ssh |
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| 17:00.42 | l0nwlf_ | vim for larger projects , gedit for smaller ones |
| 17:00.49 | t0ms | amol: imagine you are developing CMS on some framework, so basically you are using functions/methods only from the framework |
| 17:01.06 | amol | actually I am !! |
| 17:01.21 | amol | nothing to imagine! |
| 17:01.38 | t0ms | usually, I'm not in a mood to memorize all the functions'/methods' names :) |
| 17:01.51 | amol | :D |
| 17:02.15 | macduy | @gitte: I guess I'm the opposite end on the gender scale :) |
| 17:02.37 | macduy | also, I'm on Windows, so can't (and don't want to) use cat and sed |
| 17:02.42 | gitte | macduy: I just tried to add a caricature of what I am seeing... |
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| 17:03.04 | I_love_her | nobody for emacs ;) |
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| 17:03.23 | t0ms | amol: I was working with 3 frameworks in last 6 months, kate would kill me :)) |
| 17:03.50 | amol | it surely would have........... |
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| 17:04.10 | amol | but it is good for small projects |
| 17:04.24 | t0ms | amol: but I'm using kate for developing phpmyadmin |
| 17:04.59 | amol | developing phpmyadmin?? a patch or something for it? |
| 17:05.27 | t0ms | mhm, yes |
| 17:05.32 | t0ms | it's my SoC |
| 17:05.37 | t0ms | project |
| 17:05.43 | l0nwlf_ | macduy: use visual studio :P |
| 17:05.44 | t0ms | -> I'm applying for it |
| 17:06.00 | amol | cool |
| 17:06.13 | t0ms | I really miss upload progress bar |
| 17:06.30 | t0ms | so for practising I'm fixing bugs and doing some small improvements |
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| 17:07.03 | amol | nice.... |
| 17:07.08 | l0nwlf_ | t0ms: kool :) |
| 17:07.19 | amol | I think there is a problem with the import/export thing in it... |
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| 17:07.25 | amol | maybe u should have a look at it |
| 17:07.28 | macduy | l0nwlf: for web development, aptana ftw |
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| 17:07.45 | t0ms | amol: hm, there was some activity in SVN with import/export today |
| 17:07.50 | t0ms | maybe it's fixed :) |
| 17:07.57 | amol | cool... |
| 17:08.11 | t0ms | amol: you can tell me more about the problem |
| 17:08.14 | amol | I was expecting it ...so that I do not face any problems in the project |
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| 17:08.34 | t0ms | I will have a look at it, at least I will learn something about import/export in pma |
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| 17:16.35 | I_love_her | are the possible slots out yet |
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| 17:16.35 | l0nwlf_ | I_love_her: not yet |
| 17:16.35 | l0nwlf_ | today is the last date to ask for slots |
| 17:16.35 | amol | how to sak for? |
| 17:16.35 | I_love_her | l0nwlf_: ok, thanks :) |
| 17:16.35 | amol | how to sak for slots? |
| 17:16.35 | t0ms | amol: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2650776&group_id=23067&atid=377408 -> was fixed today |
| 17:16.35 | l0nwlf_ | organization ask for slots |
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| 17:16.36 | amol | nio the students right. |
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| 17:16.37 | l0nwlf_ | no :) |
| 17:16.37 | l0nwlf_ | !slots |
| 17:16.37 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 17:16.37 | macduy | do students get to know how many slots per org? |
| 17:16.37 | amol | ah... okk.. |
| 17:16.38 | l0nwlf_ | no idea |
| 17:16.38 | l0nwlf_ | Ask from your mentor |
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| 17:17.57 | macduy | ok, cheers |
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| 17:36.42 | [LocK] | ups :| |
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| 17:39.56 | Shannon90 | !socinfo. |
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| 18:45.06 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
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| 18:46.17 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
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| 18:52.37 | harrynguyen | !next |
| 18:52.38 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 18:58.10 | I_love_her | somebody should change the 'numapps' last line :P |
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| 18:59.20 | mib_vgmuxv | I_love_her ?? lol |
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| 19:00.04 | mib_vgmuxv | any updated new ?are they done with ranking proposals? |
| 19:00.12 | warren | How do I find mentors of last year's gsoc projects? I want to check the references of the sip-communicator project. |
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| 19:01.29 | I_love_her | warren: http://code.google.com/soc/2008/sipcomm/about.html |
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| 19:04.13 | warren | I_love_her: does the site let me see how successful last year's project was? |
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| 19:04.31 | ajuonline | warren: the site shows, only students who passes final evaluations. |
| 19:04.36 | ajuonline | passed* |
| 19:05.19 | I_love_her | I_love_her: ajuonline answers your question :) |
| 19:05.27 | I_love_her | oops |
| 19:05.54 | I_love_her | s/I_love_her/warren |
| 19:05.56 | smtms | so, how do you know what part of students were successful? |
| 19:06.08 | I_love_her | 83% |
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| 19:06.22 | smtms | I_love_her, for a particular org? |
| 19:06.39 | I_love_her | smtms: dunno then |
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| 19:54.14 | oppal | hi |
| 19:54.29 | araujo | hello |
| 19:54.34 | summatusmentis | hi |
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| 19:54.49 | oppal | how r u? |
| 19:55.07 | summatusmentis | tired |
| 19:55.10 | summatusmentis | and way too busy |
| 19:55.11 | araujo | summatusmentis, hola alla |
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| 19:55.18 | summatusmentis | hola hola araujo |
| 19:55.20 | summatusmentis | que pasa? |
| 19:55.34 | araujo | summatusmentis, no mucho ... :) |
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| 19:56.04 | summatusmentis | tengo demasiado pasando aqui :( |
| 19:56.16 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: angrezi please |
| 19:57.03 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: what? |
| 19:57.03 | summatusmentis | I don't know what angrezi is |
| 19:57.03 | araujo | summatusmentis, haha, too much work? |
| 19:57.03 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: exactly. my point :P |
| 19:57.15 | summatusmentis | araujo: absolutely |
| 19:57.21 | summatusmentis | I've got a month left of classes |
| 19:57.28 | araujo | summatusmentis, how went that patch submission ? |
| 19:57.33 | summatusmentis | not done yet |
| 19:57.34 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: angrezi == english [in hindi] |
| 19:57.59 | summatusmentis | oh, hindi |
| 19:58.05 | summatusmentis | I should learn hindi at some point |
| 19:58.35 | summatusmentis | araujo: that's getting done after my test tomorrow :) |
| 19:58.51 | araujo | aah good |
| 19:58.54 | araujo | :) |
| 19:59.14 | summatusmentis | hopefully, I still need to figure out the server sorting thing |
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| 20:16.56 | harlan | lh: I have one project submission that is really only peripherally related to NTP (it's a p2p/vod project) and so far both Tor and Freenet don't think the project is right for them either. I just emailed the student saying that he should look at, say, the projects on delicious and try the 'multimedia' tag (there is no p2p tag) and failing that, perhaps Google might be a better mentoring org. Just letting you know. |
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| 20:56.40 | Ivanovic | hmm, do you think there is any way to make lh give us the number of slots we ask for? |
| 20:56.55 | rwcr | !slots |
| 20:56.55 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 20:56.58 | Ivanovic | any way to use *great* applications as basis for argumentation? |
| 20:56.58 | rwcr | Follow the advice on that page. |
| 20:57.06 | Ivanovic | rwcr: i know this page... |
| 20:57.10 | makmanalp | Ivanovic: cookies! |
| 20:57.15 | Ivanovic | makmanalp: hmm, not sure |
| 20:57.30 | Ivanovic | don't you think chocoloate and *lots* of (good) coffee work better? |
| 20:57.53 | Ivanovic | so far i am really not sure which bribe might help with leslie... |
| 20:57.58 | makmanalp | :P |
| 20:58.16 | Ivanovic | though i am always willing to offer a good hug at the mentors summit |
| 20:58.18 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 20:58.24 | makmanalp | i'm a sucker for any of those, you can "bribe" me |
| 20:58.47 | makmanalp | in fact, i think i'll go get some chocolat now :/ |
| 20:58.54 | makmanalp | *chocolate |
| 20:58.56 | rwcr | Enclose an EULA-type thing. "For every ten (10) of these cookies you eat, you promise to give XYZ Project one (1) GSoC slot. Breaking this seal constitutes acceptance of the terms of this agreement." |
| 20:58.58 | Mek | Ivanovic: perhaps try some melange patches as bribe? |
| 20:59.12 | Ivanovic | Mek: do you think they really work? |
| 20:59.25 | Mek | no, but at least it will help improve melange :P |
| 20:59.32 | Ivanovic | then i should make some of our applicants provide patches for melange to increase their chance to be accepted with wesnoth... |
| 20:59.40 | Ivanovic | hmm... this sounds like a plan |
| 20:59.41 | Catfish_Man | hahaha |
| 21:00.51 | Ivanovic | Dragonking: what do you think of providing patches against melange to increase your chance to get in? |
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| 21:01.34 | Ivanovic | hmm, not too many of our applicants in here that i could ask |
| 21:03.00 | Dragonking | Ivanovic: I think this is a grat good idea for SoC project for 2010 ;) |
| 21:03.19 | Dragonking | Tho not sure that google will accept it ;p |
| 21:03.40 | Ivanovic | Dragonking: nah, provide some patches to melange to increase your chance for being accepted at wesnoth *this* year |
| 21:03.50 | Ivanovic | only some small patches, this should be enough |
| 21:03.52 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 21:04.26 | Dragonking | Small, so they don't notice that we sneak them in? ;) |
| 21:04.35 | Dragonking | Sounds like a plan. |
| 21:04.39 | Ivanovic | mordante: or do you think we could make crab send in one or two melange patches so that we get more slots? |
| 21:05.12 | Ivanovic | Dragonking: we *want* them to see our patches, so that wesnoth gets more slots |
| 21:05.28 | Ivanovic | as long as "they" think we are being helpfull it is enough |
| 21:05.29 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 21:05.39 | Dragonking | Makes perfect sense. ;) |
| 21:06.03 | Ivanovic | noone official has seen our "perfect plans", right? |
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| 21:06.26 | gitte | mumbles something about this channel being logged. |
| 21:06.32 | rwcr | Well, you mentioned lh, and she's in the room, so she'll see those messages in her away log... |
| 21:06.44 | Dragonking | Ivanovic: We could ask our translators to provide patches for melange internaionalization, that would result in *many* patches. :) |
| 21:06.53 | Ivanovic | Dragonking: right you are |
| 21:07.18 | Ivanovic | the problem is: does melange already allow internationalizazion via po files` |
| 21:07.24 | Ivanovic | s/`/?/ |
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| 21:08.06 | Ivanovic | rwcr: ah, there is too much stuff for "the boss" to really read everything |
| 21:08.22 | rwcr | True, but she probably will read the lines that mention her specifically. :-) |
| 21:08.25 | Ivanovic | she might just think "ah, those dudes from wesnoth, i know them, they are only joking anyway" |
| 21:08.39 | rwcr | If she has a sensible client (*coughirssicough*), they'll be specifically pointed out to her when she comes back. |
| 21:09.21 | Ivanovic | i don't think she is using irssi |
| 21:09.25 | Landon | probably not :P |
| 21:09.32 | Ivanovic | btw has someone already ported her an irc client to andy? |
| 21:09.53 | Ivanovic | if i remember correctly that was her most often question at the mentor summit: |
| 21:10.02 | Ivanovic | "when will someone write me an irc client for andy?!?" |
| 21:10.13 | gitte | rwcr: AFAIR she has an IRC client for her Andy now. |
| 21:10.30 | rwcr | Ah, cool. |
| 21:10.31 | Ivanovic | gitte: really? |
| 21:10.40 | Ivanovic | damn, not possible to bribe her this way then... |
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| 21:10.45 | gitte | Ivanovic: since last November, IIRC. |
| 21:10.55 | Landon | andy as in android? |
| 21:10.56 | Ivanovic | so we will have to do via being helpful and shoing that we got great proposals |
| 21:10.56 | Landon | isn't there a project for OSUOSL to make an IRC client for it |
| 21:11.11 | gchaix | Yup |
| 21:11.18 | Ivanovic | (okay, the part about great proposals is easy, if she is willing to read >>10 pages per candidate...) |
| 21:11.34 | gchaix | Landon: we catually got some really good proposals for it :-) |
| 21:11.34 | gitte | Landon: right. Andy as in Android. |
| 21:11.51 | Ivanovic | andy is how lh named her G1 |
| 21:12.11 | gchaix | is doing his best to get lh's andy an IRC client |
| 21:12.34 | Ivanovic | (and yeah, i envyed her this nice toy when seeing it last october) |
| 21:12.58 | kblin | hey gitte :) |
| 21:13.07 | gitte | Hey kblin! |
| 21:13.20 | gitte | kblin: in which part of this lovely blue marble are you at the moment? |
| 21:13.35 | kblin | gitte: home :) |
| 21:13.38 | Ivanovic | gchaix: damn, then you got a good chance to get many slots... |
| 21:13.40 | kblin | gitte: Tübingen |
| 21:13.49 | gitte | kblin: for a change... ;-) |
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| 21:14.11 | gchaix | Ivanovic: Heh ... well, it's really only a 1-slot project, so I doubt it'll get us a bunch of slots :-) |
| 21:14.27 | kblin | gitte: my diploma thesis refuses to write itself, so I need to do it |
| 21:14.39 | Ivanovic | gchaix: what about other android related projects? |
| 21:14.39 | gitte | kblin: darn. |
| 21:14.41 | Ivanovic | if lh likes others, too... |
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| 21:14.46 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 21:14.52 | gitte | kblin: but you do know about that cute little program, writing papers for you? |
| 21:14.59 | gitte | kblin: "rooter" |
| 21:15.11 | gchaix | Ivanovic: not yet. We have a dev internally who wanted IRC, so that's what we're doing. We may do more later depending on how this one goes |
| 21:15.31 | Ivanovic | with the stuff we knew from last october wesnoth is not an option for andy at least for the moment, so no way for us to bribe her this way |
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| 21:15.59 | kblin | gitte: but I heard you're going to meet the "big angry scm" soon, that's going to be fun :) |
| 21:15.59 | Ivanovic | (as in: android does not have enough ram for wesnoth to really run on it) |
| 21:16.10 | gitte | kblin: how about joining in? |
| 21:16.15 | kblin | gitte: it's a bit far to berlin, just for a beer :) |
| 21:16.23 | gitte | kblin: it won't be just a beer. |
| 21:16.26 | Ivanovic | kblin: depends on the beer |
| 21:16.28 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 21:16.35 | gitte | kblin: we'll have a little meeting, it seems. |
| 21:17.12 | kblin | gitte: sure, but I can't really afford it right now. need to get the thesis done and then get a job while finishing my examns |
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| 21:17.32 | gitte | kblin: we're talking about Oct3... |
| 21:17.43 | kblin | oh, I managed to miss that part |
| 21:17.52 | kblin | tempting |
| 21:18.06 | Ivanovic | gitte: what if kblin is in california at that time for a mentor summit? |
| 21:18.17 | Ivanovic | (might be around this time, though maybe a little later, too) |
| 21:18.31 | gitte | Ivanovic: traditionally, the GSoC mentor summit is end of October. |
| 21:18.44 | Ivanovic | ah, screw tradition |
| 21:18.46 | gitte | kblin: indeed. We have a host, too, it seems. |
| 21:19.09 | gitte | Ivanovic: is that some inappropriate joke? |
| 21:19.15 | gitte | giggles |
| 21:19.21 | Ivanovic | :) |
| 21:19.28 | kblin | Ivanovic: you're closer to berlin anyway |
| 21:19.38 | Ivanovic | kblin: not this much, it is 600km for me, too |
| 21:19.40 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 21:20.22 | gitte | feels blessed with 200km |
| 21:20.48 | Ivanovic | the last time i was this close (in fact closer) to berlin i was still at the army in basic training... |
| 21:21.34 | kblin | oh, you did the military thing? |
| 21:21.36 | Ivanovic | in this lovely "village" (okay, the called it town, but i think it is smaller than a village, what is smaller than a village in english?) called "storkow" |
| 21:21.52 | Ivanovic | kblin: yeah, i did so and in fact it even was quite fun |
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| 21:22.20 | Ivanovic | okay, basic training was, looking back, most fun, though i was close to dead *many* times doing it... |
| 21:22.24 | kblin | it's family tradition to avoid military service, couldn't help it |
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| 21:23.17 | Ivanovic | it is really interesting to see that you have not even almost reached your limits when you think "one more step and i die" |
| 21:23.33 | Ivanovic | and to see what "comradship" can make you endure |
| 21:23.40 | lifeeth | :) |
| 21:23.58 | Ivanovic | (the good old "pah, one of those is still standing, then i can continue to stand upright, too!!!") |
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| 21:24.31 | Ivanovic | and of course some of the others are about as stubborn as you are, so this gets challenging... |
| 21:24.47 | kblin | I can trace it back to my family leaving france in 1680s |
| 21:25.27 | Ivanovic | wow, that is quite a long time |
| 21:25.57 | Ivanovic | knows that he does what he really has to do |
| 21:26.04 | kblin | my ancestors successfully avoidid fighting for or against napoleon, or in the world wars |
| 21:26.13 | Ivanovic | short question: has this bottle of beer to be emptied now? |
| 21:26.16 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 21:28.09 | Ivanovic | kblin: any news on wombat lately? |
| 21:28.18 | Ivanovic | has the feedback you got from kitty helped? |
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| 21:29.01 | ivantis | Man, I wish the age-requirement for GSoC was lower |
| 21:29.16 | kblin | Ivanovic: not too much. wombat still wasn't useful enough for her to really test |
| 21:29.16 | Ivanovic | ivantis: somehow you can still mentor |
| 21:29.23 | Ivanovic | kblin: :( |
| 21:29.37 | ivantis | You can still mentor when you're under 18? |
| 21:29.39 | Ivanovic | ivantis: that is: i am still a student myself and am not participating as student |
| 21:29.41 | kblin | Ivanovic: we've got a sprint planned for next friday |
| 21:29.48 | Ivanovic | ivantis: hehe, in theory: no |
| 21:29.52 | Ivanovic | in fact: yes |
| 21:30.04 | Ivanovic | (that is last year there was at least one mentor <18) |
| 21:30.11 | Ivanovic | kblin: nice |
| 21:30.19 | ivantis | How old were they? |
| 21:30.28 | cschmidt | that drupal guy is 13 and is a mentor this year... |
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| 21:30.41 | ivantis | 13? Really? |
| 21:30.44 | cschmidt | ja |
| 21:30.46 | kblin | Ivanovic: and with any luck I've got a student working on wombat for gsoc |
| 21:30.58 | ivantis | I'm 14, I wish I could go to it and participate as a studen |
| 21:30.59 | Ivanovic | kblin: this would be *really* great |
| 21:30.59 | ivantis | t |
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| 21:31.13 | Ivanovic | kblin: if you need artists for testing, it should be possible to gather some at wesnoth |
| 21:31.17 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 21:31.19 | cschmidt | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/03/drupalcon-dc.html |
| 21:31.26 | Catfish_Man | ivantis: mentor and student requirements are different |
| 21:31.33 | cschmidt | Ivanovic: * |
| 21:31.40 | kblin | ivantis: there's also probably a GHOP planned some time in the future |
| 21:32.02 | Ivanovic | ivantis: in general all open source projects are *glad* about contributors |
| 21:32.05 | ivantis | But why can you mentor but not learn when under 18? |
| 21:32.09 | kblin | ivantis: so keep an eye on the google open source blog |
| 21:32.15 | Ivanovic | yeah, you won't directly earn money, but at least you help and might have fun doing so |
| 21:32.20 | Catfish_Man | ivantis: mentors do not have a contract with google |
| 21:32.27 | Catfish_Man | and contracts are not binding under US law for minors |
| 21:32.59 | Ivanovic | ivantis: summer of code is (from the law perspective) not learning but "working under a contract" |
| 21:33.11 | Ivanovic | and for this "working under a contract" you have to be >=18 |
| 21:33.25 | ivantis | Really? |
| 21:33.30 | Catfish_Man | yup |
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| 21:33.42 | kblin | Ivanovic: thanks for the offer, I'll get back at you once wombat is actually useable as more than just a svn web frontend |
| 21:33.49 | ivantis | Right now I get contracts from freelance websites |
| 21:33.58 | Ivanovic | kblin: you're welcome |
| 21:33.59 | ivantis | That's really a law in the US? |
| 21:34.12 | Ivanovic | we will probably always have some artists willing to help with something like this |
| 21:34.13 | kblin | ivantis: could be a state law |
| 21:34.25 | Ivanovic | especially something they see as "really usable" to themselves, too |
| 21:34.26 | kblin | ivantis: we're not lawyers either :) |
| 21:34.57 | ivantis | Yeah, I looked at my state laws about underage workers, I meet the requirements |
| 21:35.06 | Ivanovic | ivantis: laws regarind hireing "minors" can get *really* difficult depending on the country you are in |
| 21:35.25 | Ivanovic | and google is just trying to go a "save way" since it is international |
| 21:35.30 | Catfish_Man | ivantis: basically though, Google's lawyers looked at the situation, and handed down their decision; there's not all that much we can do about it |
| 21:35.52 | ivantis | So you get paid for doing stuff at the summer of code? |
| 21:36.05 | Ivanovic | that is eg in germany you have to meet special conditions if the "contractor" is not 18 so far |
| 21:36.07 | Catfish_Man | students are paid $4500 |
| 21:36.13 | Catfish_Man | mentoring *organizations* are paid $500/student |
| 21:36.20 | Catfish_Man | and can distribute that to mentors if they so choose |
| 21:36.20 | Ivanovic | even if the contractor is already 16, there are still several "special" rules |
| 21:36.36 | ivantis | Maybe there should be a program within the program for underage people |
| 21:36.41 | ivantis | But they don't get paid |
| 21:36.45 | MatthewWilkes | ivantis: Speaking as someone who's been involved in hiring underage workers, it's quite a bit of effort on the company's side in the UK, you have to prove you're a safe and constructive environment, get lots of signoff, etc |
| 21:36.48 | Catfish_Man | ivantis: it's called GHOP |
| 21:36.55 | Ivanovic | ivantis: for not getting paid there is normal open source work |
| 21:36.56 | ivantis | GHOP? |
| 21:37.00 | gchaix | ivantis: what Catfish_Man said (me too slow) |
| 21:37.04 | Ivanovic | just help any project, they *love* to see help |
| 21:37.07 | Catfish_Man | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Highly_Open_Participation_Contest |
| 21:37.13 | Ivanovic | and they normally offer every help they can give |
| 21:37.18 | Catfish_Man | also what Ivanovic said :) |
| 21:37.35 | Ivanovic | (at least for us this is the case, we help everyone new as much as we can, no matter if there is SoC behind it or not) |
| 21:37.36 | gitte | kblin: remember that Pirate patch we sent Junio? |
| 21:37.47 | gitte | kblin: would you believe it was _never_ applied? |
| 21:37.55 | ivantis | Whaat? I'm not in high school yet |
| 21:38.02 | Ivanovic | ivantis: and? |
| 21:38.04 | kblin | gitte: what? with so many developers signing it off? |
| 21:38.13 | ivantis | So I can't participate in GHOP |
| 21:38.17 | Ivanovic | ivantis: if there is a project you like and where you want to help, just ask how you can help |
| 21:38.37 | Ivanovic | ivantis: you will get no payment for it (most likely at least) but still have the good feeling of helping |
| 21:38.41 | kblin | gitte: let me file a bug report about pirate-unfriendly commit messages :) |
| 21:38.41 | gitte | kblin: it is incredible, isn't it? /me shakes head |
| 21:38.49 | Ivanovic | that is *any* open source project out there *welcomes* help |
| 21:38.54 | gitte | kblin: no bug tracker, no bug report. |
| 21:39.04 | kblin | gitte: mailing list.. same difference |
| 21:39.05 | Ivanovic | and yeah, they also "mentor" even though there are no official rules |
| 21:39.07 | ivantis | Yeah, I've kind of helped with an open source computer game before |
| 21:39.12 | Ivanovic | everyone helps you to get into code, stuff like this |
| 21:39.37 | Ivanovic | they will review patches, give you feedback on how to do things better, answer questions, whatever |
| 21:40.10 | Ivanovic | for most summer of code is basically the same (from the projects point of view) |
| 21:40.31 | Ivanovic | they "only" get some people who really have the time to work on things full time instead of just in the free hours after work |
| 21:40.38 | kblin | Ivanovic: depending on how gsoc works out, I might be able to put some time into the project that didn't make it as well. with any luck I have something more to show off for the next mentor summit |
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| 21:40.49 | Ivanovic | and for this the projects *insure* that a mentor is available |
| 21:41.07 | Ivanovic | kblin: i am *really* looking forward to this |
| 21:41.18 | ivantis | That's the good thing about being a kid, we don't need to support ourselves |
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| 21:41.29 | Ivanovic | (that is in the hope that a) there is a summit, b) we are invited and c) i am one of the dudes coming over) |
| 21:41.40 | kblin | Ivanovic: yeah, whatever :) |
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| 21:41.44 | Ivanovic | though i am looking forward to wombat no matter what happens regarding SoC |
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| 21:42.03 | kblin | Ivanovic: that was more like a timeline than the actual event |
| 21:42.11 | Ivanovic | ivantis: just talk to the people you want to help, you will see that you are welcome |
| 21:42.20 | Ivanovic | kblin: hey, not bad |
| 21:42.26 | mordante | Ivanovic, we can bribe lh by not porting wesnoth to the G1 so she still has time to sleep ;-) |
| 21:42.28 | MatthewWilkes | Ivanovic: There is a tentative date for a summit (I asked as the Plone Conf has moved, so potentially could have conflicted), so it's certainly planned. Of course, that's no guarantee |
| 21:42.44 | ivantis | wesnoth? |
| 21:42.49 | Ivanovic | ivantis: jupp |
| 21:42.54 | mordante | ivantis, yes |
| 21:42.54 | ivantis | Wuzzat? |
| 21:43.02 | Ivanovic | http://www.wesnoth.org |
| 21:43.09 | Ivanovic | better not try it, you will get addicted |
| 21:43.16 | mordante | thought it was wise not to type :-P |
| 21:43.23 | MatthewWilkes | mordante: If a G1 port a serious consideration? |
| 21:43.28 | MatthewWilkes | is* |
| 21:43.31 | Ivanovic | got several eg kde or debian people swearing about this game because of draining their productivity... |
| 21:43.32 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: nah |
| 21:43.54 | mordante | MatthewWilkes, no, Wesnoth is written in C++ and that doesn't work (yet) on the G1 |
| 21:43.55 | ivantis | Wow, that looks really dumb |
| 21:44.02 | kblin | though I guess if Ivanovic gets it to work on a pandora... |
| 21:44.13 | Ivanovic | kblin: it *does* already work on the pandora |
| 21:44.18 | MatthewWilkes | mordante: Ah, I just looked at the site, I saw cross platform, so thought there was a decent chance it was java |
| 21:44.20 | kblin | ah, I see |
| 21:44.23 | Ivanovic | that is: the pandora guys gor 1.4.x work nicely on it |
| 21:44.29 | Ivanovic | s/gor/got/ |
| 21:44.46 | ivantis | I have a G1, I might try it if it gets ported to Android |
| 21:45.06 | mordante | no but some people think it would be good to rewrite it in either Java or Python ... |
| 21:45.09 | Ivanovic | kblin: cf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spIcUPsLvZA at about 2:10 |
| 21:45.33 | kblin | mordante: bah |
| 21:45.46 | kblin | mordante: not that I like C++, but.. bah |
| 21:45.59 | mordante | kblin, most of us also think bah |
| 21:46.09 | Ivanovic | the basic stuff i will probably have a look at once i got my pandora is making it work "nicely" |
| 21:46.11 | mordante | and I like C++ |
| 21:46.20 | Ivanovic | as in make unput controls work better, stuff like this |
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| 21:46.29 | mordante | Ivanovic, any eta for the Pandora? |
| 21:46.46 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: I hope you're happy about wasting my evening on melange ;) |
| 21:46.46 | Ivanovic | mordante: i hope i got it before my birthday this year (end of jund) |
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| 21:46.53 | Ivanovic | s/jund/june |
| 21:47.36 | mordante | autch, that will take a while |
| 21:47.40 | Ivanovic | with some luck i will have it in may |
| 21:47.47 | Ivanovic | though i am not really sure about this yet... |
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| 21:48.06 | mordante | I really hope you have it soon so we can start to make tiny-gui nice again |
| 21:48.08 | Ivanovic | things are getting closer, the battery is now ready and will be manufactures |
| 21:48.20 | kblin | Ivanovic: oh, btw, thanks for the beagleboard pointer :) |
| 21:48.23 | Ivanovic | will try to not rely on tinygui |
| 21:48.45 | Ivanovic | i want to use the "normal" gui and adjust it to work nicely down to 800x480 |
| 21:48.53 | Ivanovic | kblin: so you are really satisfied with it? |
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| 21:48.55 | Ivanovic | *great* |
| 21:49.22 | kblin | Ivanovic: it's been running as my primary home server for about a month now |
| 21:49.23 | mordante | you can try tiny on it as well |
| 21:49.46 | Ivanovic | mordante: forget it, the screen has a too high DPI to have the 36x36 icons/units usable |
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| 21:49.57 | kblin | Ivanovic: and I'm currently working on also getting Samba4 to run on it |
| 21:50.06 | Ivanovic | you really need the 72x72 units, just have a look at the youtube vid i just linked |
| 21:50.11 | Ivanovic | the size is *perfect* |
| 21:50.22 | mordante | I've seen the video :-) |
| 21:50.22 | Ivanovic | kblin: that is good to hear |
| 21:50.42 | kblin | Ivanovic: and as soon as openchange is ready, I'll also make it a MAPI server |
| 21:51.01 | Ivanovic | kblin: if the board had onboard gbit network i would probably consider getting me one to replace my nslu2 |
| 21:51.03 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 21:51.18 | kblin | Ivanovic: I've submitted a talk for a conference about running active directory on a 2W system |
| 21:51.23 | Ivanovic | since the nslu2 is not this fast, though it is really okay |
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| 21:51.48 | Ivanovic | nice, any idea when you will know if the talk is accepted? |
| 21:52.02 | kblin | beginning of may |
| 21:52.38 | Ivanovic | okay, still a month to go |
| 21:53.04 | kblin | Ivanovic: but it's for the storage developer's conference, and my talk touches "SMB/CIFS", "Green IT", "Embedded Systems", and "Using Open Source to achieve any of the above" |
| 21:53.20 | Ivanovic | heh, sounds really nice |
| 21:53.27 | kblin | so that sounds like a good talk :) |
| 21:53.42 | kblin | it's way better than the talk they accepted last year |
| 21:53.50 | Ivanovic | :) |
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| 21:54.27 | Ivanovic | still has to search for a nice diploma thesis, though i know that it will be in the area of embedded systems |
| 21:54.37 | Ivanovic | not sure what exactly it will be, we will see... |
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| 22:03.30 | meonkeys | is user "dougt" here? dougt has applied to me a mentor on our project (Mifos), but I have no idea who he/she is. |
| 22:04.06 | gitte | meonkeys: can I mentor for you, too? ;-) |
| 22:05.12 | meonkeys | lol. |
| 22:06.59 | atulagrwl | !stats |
| 22:07.00 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 22:09.58 | meonkeys | wow, 2,000 messages just to show up on that list! I wonder if this is a record-breaking IRC channel. |
| 22:10.18 | Catfish_Man | meonkeys: #freenode after lilo died was like 100x this channel |
| 22:10.33 | Ivanovic | meonkeys: atm this chan is harmless |
| 22:10.50 | Ivanovic | stuff gets *really* funny close to deadlines and when it comes to resolving dupes |
| 22:11.21 | meonkeys | interesting. I think I recall last year when the channel had to switch to voice-only for a while; probably close to a deadline. |
| 22:11.39 | Ivanovic | jupp |
| 22:11.42 | russellb | it was voice only a couple weeks ago when the org list got announced .. |
| 22:11.48 | Ivanovic | that is exactly the time when this stuff is done |
| 22:12.00 | Ivanovic | russellb: there it was voice only for some mins |
| 22:12.05 | russellb | nods |
| 22:12.13 | Ivanovic | when dupe resolving is active it is so for >1h |
| 22:12.40 | kblin | Ivanovic: that's the dupe resolve channel, not #gsoc |
| 22:13.01 | Ivanovic | kblin: i think around that time it was voice only in #gsoc, too |
| 22:13.16 | Ivanovic | at least some times around this it was the case for the "normal" chan, too |
| 22:13.41 | kblin | oh well |
| 22:13.58 | kblin | anyway, need to switch of for now |
| 22:14.11 | Ivanovic | yeah, i should head off to bed, too |
| 22:14.12 | Ivanovic | n8 |
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| 22:41.57 | carldani | are there any updated stats on how many eligible non-spam proposals were submitted? I know that there were 5887 proposals in total, but I'd like to find out how many slots our org will likely get this year. |
| 22:42.46 | thiago_home | use your own spam ratio as a sample |
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| 22:44.08 | carldani | our spam rate is zero. |
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| 22:45.02 | thiago_home | we had 10% |
| 22:45.10 | carldani | we do have one ineligible student, though. unfortunately, the web interface does not state why the student is ineligible... |
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| 22:45.44 | Upthorn | carldani: it might have been a self-withdrawl |
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| 22:46.20 | carldani | Upthorn: ah. that could be the case. |
| 22:48.38 | carldani | we only had 8 applications in total. then again, working with lowlevel x86 hardware is hard. |
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| 22:52.03 | ELamperti | Does somebody know how many applications were received for WordPress? |
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| 22:52.28 | caden|class | ELamperti, best bet at this point is to nicely ask someone in WordPress |
| 22:53.29 | ELamperti | Thank you |
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| 22:54.10 | rwcr | !askyourorg |
| 22:54.10 | socinfo | "askyourorg" is You should ask the organization you are interested in applying as this varies per organization. |
| 22:55.04 | thiago_home | that answer sounds out-of-date |
| 22:55.27 | thiago_home | you can't apply anymore |
| 22:55.50 | caden|class | apply for 2010? :) |
| 22:56.49 | summatusmentis | hey |
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| 22:57.02 | straydawg | Alex_GenMAPP: you don't like summatusmentis ;) ? |
| 22:57.11 | caden|class | hey summatusmentis |
| 22:57.11 | summatusmentis | harsh |
| 22:57.16 | summatusmentis | hi caden|class |
| 22:57.32 | caden|class | uh oh what's harsh |
| 22:58.26 | lh | harlan: thanks, noted. |
| 22:58.41 | harlan | np - thank you! |
| 22:58.52 | summatusmentis | hi lh! |
| 22:58.56 | lh | Ivanovic: yes, you can wait until tomorrow to see what you are allocated and then you can plead about how you need more. or maybe you will be happy with what you have, too. :) |
| 22:59.09 | caden|class | lh, i was wondering if former employees of google who have become full time students are still eligible for GSoC? |
| 22:59.51 | lh | is willing to consider patches to melange for bribery to get more slots. |
| 23:00.05 | lh | thinks this is still keeping her karma clean since patches to melange improve summer of code |
| 23:00.32 | lh | gchaix: thank you dear |
| 23:00.59 | lh | summatusmentis: hello dear |
| 23:01.13 | summatusmentis | howsit? |
| 23:01.15 | lh | caden|class: former employees is fine. you cannot be employed by google in any way shape or form (e.g. on leave) |
| 23:01.25 | caden|class | lh: great, thanks! |
| 23:01.27 | gchaix | lh: you are entirely welcome! :-) We got a great proposal out of the idea, too. Consider yourself nominated as a beta tester :-) |
| 23:01.49 | lh | gchaix: done and done and so very very done. |
| 23:01.53 | lh | caden|class: my pleasure |
| 23:01.58 | lh | summatusmentis: very well thanks, you dear |
| 23:02.06 | summatusmentis | lh: good :) |
| 23:02.08 | lh | Ivanovic: i saw your clever plans. all of them. bwahahahhahahaha/ |
| 23:02.32 | caden|class | tomorrow mentoring orgs will know how many slots they have? |
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| 23:03.25 | lh | caden|class: preliminary slot allocaitons only |
| 23:03.36 | lh | noted we had a pre-high school student in here before. damn. |
| 23:03.39 | lh | does the happy dance |
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| 23:04.07 | caden|class | heh heh because they were here before or because they're not now? |
| 23:04.09 | gitte | wonders if lh types that fast on her Andy... |
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| 23:04.25 | Corsix | wait, we can bribe lh with patches? |
| 23:04.33 | Corsix | why wasn't this stated earlier? |
| 23:04.39 | caden|class | can preliminary slot allocations go down as well as up? |
| 23:05.02 | lh | gitte: no a bit slower |
| 23:05.09 | lh | caden|class: because they were here before silly |
| 23:05.10 | gitte | Heh! |
| 23:05.19 | lh | Corsix: you *may* be able to bribe lh with patches to melange |
| 23:05.27 | lh | in fact it's a pretty darn good bribe |
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| 23:05.56 | lh | since patching melange really looks like *great* community involvement to me, where community involvement is defined as doing things to help make the program better, like answer questions for folks in this irc channel |
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| 23:06.25 | gitte | wishes for 48-hour days to do that |
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| 23:06.46 | rwcr | http://xkcd.com/320/ (but read the fine print) |
| 23:07.25 | gitte | Modifed Godwin's law: in every Internet discussion, sooner or later someone will post a link to an xkcd comic strip. |
| 23:08.06 | rwcr | Well, there usually comes a point where one is relevant, and there's usually someone who knows which one. |
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| 23:08.15 | caden|class | gitte: but does it end the discussion? |
| 23:08.22 | Corsix | in a crowd of technical people, it'll often pop up |
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| 23:14.36 | gitte | git night everybody... |
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| 23:20.55 | carldani | lh: will having two proposals for the same task ranked at position 2 and 3 impact our slot allocation in a negative way? |
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| 23:21.25 | carldani | the task in question is hard and the proposals try two different approaches. |
| 23:24.50 | carldani | (I'm talking about coreboot/coresystems in case someone wants to look it up) |
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| 23:27.31 | lh | carldani: it should not, no. how many slots are you requesting? |
| 23:27.52 | lh | carldani: no that will not impact slot allocations. it's a popularlity thing for the most part, first cut, |
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| 23:37.29 | carldani | lh: thanks for your reply and my apologies for the late followup. my connection is a bit spotty. |
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| 23:37.58 | lh | carldani: all good. :) |
| 23:38.34 | carldani | lh: I'll ask our project admin how many slots we requested. I made sure that the most promising proposals have two willing mentors each. |
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| 23:39.05 | carldani | lh: Now I eagerly wait for the first cut of the slot allocations. |
| 23:39.18 | omniter | carldani, when's that gonna be |
| 23:39.47 | carldani | omniter: it was mentioned earlier in this channel that we can expect preliminary allocations tomorrow |
| 23:40.15 | lh | applauds |
| 23:40.21 | omniter | omgawd |
| 23:40.25 | omniter | D: |
| 23:40.34 | omniter | that's good news, but also makes me anxious |
| 23:40.36 | omniter | now i can't sleep |
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| 23:41.22 | carldani | it's 1:40am here. good night all! |
| 23:41.58 | ojwb | the orgs will get a preliminary number soon, but that doesn't equate to students knowing if they're accepted or not |
| 23:42.23 | lh | carldani: yw night night |
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| 23:45.43 | omniter | ojwb, yeah but if you're a student who has a pretty idea of his chances, the preliminary number adds a lot to the equation swirling around in your head. :D |
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| 23:53.16 | caden|class | ojwb: what will drive the preliminary numbers up and down after tomorrow? |
| 23:53.57 | summatusmentis | how many the org actually wants :) |
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| 23:54.15 | lh | caden|class: how many the org actually wants can vary based on circumstances, etc. |
| 23:55.15 | caden|class | lh, summatusmentis: thank you |
| 23:55.20 | ojwb | mostly students accepted at multiple places |
| 23:55.26 | summatusmentis | that too |
| 23:55.51 | ojwb | or proposals which seemed to be shaping up, but haven't got there |
| 23:56.10 | lh | also ponies. |
| 23:56.16 | summatusmentis | speaking of, I need to finish my patch :( |
| 23:56.23 | ojwb | a pony patch? |
| 23:56.32 | summatusmentis | yep |
| 23:56.34 | summatusmentis | it's pink |
| 23:56.43 | lh | has a purple pony |
| 23:56.50 | ojwb | is it little? |
| 23:56.56 | lh | ojwb: indeed. :) |
| 23:57.32 | scorche | does it look like this? http://fc00.deviantart.com/fs31/i/2008/224/9/9/My_Little_Cthulhu_by_Spippo.jpg |
| 23:57.32 | caden|class | can you brush and comb its hair? |
| 23:57.52 | ojwb | that site always makes me think "they've misspelled 'debian'" |
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| 23:58.07 | omniter | is that a cthulu pony |
| 23:58.20 | caden|class | i wonder if there is a my little pony buried in there |
| 23:58.21 | omniter | oh that's what it says in the image title... |
| 23:58.22 | summatusmentis | ojwb: that's how you know you're too far into something :) |
| 23:58.24 | caden|class | it turned out pretty cool |
| 23:58.26 | scorche | no, it is a cthulhu pony |
| 23:58.37 | omniter | cthulhu... fine... -_- |
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