| 00:00.11 | EnderMB | Working at an ice rink sounds like fun. |
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| 00:04.00 | Giant-Sheep | you're assuming I got paid. |
| 00:04.10 | Lez | !timeline |
| 00:04.10 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 00:04.18 | EnderMB | Oh, ouch! |
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| 00:04.34 | EnderMB | Why didn't they pay you? |
| 00:04.40 | Giant-Sheep | yeah, welcome to my life for the last 20 summers. |
| 00:04.50 | Giant-Sheep | because it's not a job, it's a sport :) |
| 00:05.40 | Giant-Sheep | and finally when I could get a summer job, this god damn recession happens. |
| 00:06.03 | nsquare | ahh.. recession :) tell me about it :D |
| 00:06.32 | EnderMB | I know the feeling. |
| 00:06.55 | EnderMB | Luckily, I planned ahead and saved up some cash so if I don't find anything this summer at least I won't end up on the streets. |
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| 00:07.49 | nsquare | EnderMB: where are you from? |
| 00:07.56 | Giant-Sheep | well I don't have a problem like that. I have a job doing silly pointless storage/logistics stuff if I don't get anything else. but I want something "in my own field". |
| 00:08.00 | EnderMB | Bristol, United Kingdom |
| 00:08.04 | Giant-Sheep | and that's really, really hard atm. |
| 00:08.30 | nsquare | EnderMB: nice |
| 00:09.11 | shyamheartbreak1 | dude i havent done that either i mean saving cash |
| 00:09.12 | EnderMB | Once I graduate I want to apply for a masters (or phd) at a good university, but if I'm gonna get anywhere I'll need stellar grades and some experience, and so far the only experience I have is as a SEO consultant and sports store whipping boy |
| 00:10.38 | nsquare | I dont know how admissions work, but in US, if you work under a prof during summers, then that also helps :) |
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| 00:11.04 | nsquare | *admissions work in UK |
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| 00:11.29 | codelearner | :) |
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| 00:11.40 | EnderMB | My department doesn't have the resources to allow students to work there for the summer, nor do they really want them to. |
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| 00:12.08 | nsquare | oops.. thats similar to my undergrad university :P |
| 00:12.29 | cjhopman | EnderMB: you don't need stellar grades |
| 00:12.31 | shyamheartbreak1 | its the same evrywhere |
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| 00:13.19 | EnderMB | cjhopman: Really? My university is a hole and the CS faculty is barely bigger than my house. |
| 00:14.19 | cjhopman | grades aren't really important |
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| 00:14.54 | cjhopman | what you really want to do is work for some professor |
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| 00:16.02 | cjhopman | you need to get at least two professors to think that you would be good at research... doing well in classes doesn't really show that |
| 00:16.27 | EnderMB | I've asked around the faculty and they've all said that they don't take undergrads on and the only opportunity for research is in the final year projects. |
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| 00:16.49 | EnderMB | The only time I get to do anything resembling research is as a final year project/dissertation |
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| 00:17.19 | Giant-Sheep | here it's somewhat impossible to work over summer unless you study like physics or chemistry. |
| 00:17.24 | cjhopman | then transfer to a research university |
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| 00:18.13 | Giant-Sheep | well this is kinda the best you get in the nordic region :) |
| 00:18.22 | nsquare | EnderMB: there are pretty good summer programs in Europe |
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| 00:18.48 | nsquare | like in EPFL, ETH, Inria, Max-plank institute |
| 00:18.50 | EnderMB | I have to stay local cause of family matters |
| 00:19.00 | nsquare | oh, ok |
| 00:19.27 | cjhopman | are you in cs? |
| 00:19.31 | EnderMB | Yep |
| 00:19.50 | cjhopman | if so, talk to professors outside of cs... everybody needs programmers |
| 00:20.24 | skiquel | lots of smart people here |
| 00:20.46 | cjhopman | i started out just programming for a professor (who was only kind of a cs professor) |
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| 00:20.51 | cjhopman | then did some research with him |
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| 00:22.21 | Giant-Sheep | summer just kinda feels like a short period to so stuff outside your "field of expertise" |
| 00:22.52 | Giant-Sheep | but maybe I'm just thinking this backwards :/ |
| 00:22.59 | EnderMB | A lot of the interdisciplinary stuff here is run by the university, so most of the time its pretty hard to find anything, although I did write an extremely basic app for a law professor in java. |
| 00:23.19 | araujo | hello around |
| 00:24.02 | EnderMB | My summers usually involve 50+ hours of work a week, weekends with the girlfriend and reading a mountain of books in the rest of my spare time. |
| 00:25.20 | nsquare | 50 hours is a lot :D |
| 00:26.02 | EnderMB | Ten hours, Monday to Friday. |
| 00:26.03 | Giant-Sheep | yeah, 50+ hours and "spare time" don't really fit in the same sentence :/ |
| 00:27.03 | EnderMB | The summer usually bores me, so I just spend it working wherever I can, usually in sports stores since it's an easy place to get work and its the only experience I have. |
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| 00:29.10 | saiyr | summer is a good time to learn more computery things they don't teach you in school :p |
| 00:29.29 | Giant-Sheep | well I do agree with that |
| 00:29.56 | EnderMB | I spend most of my time learning the material for next year to keep my grades high. |
| 00:30.15 | codelearner | ah |
| 00:30.17 | Giant-Sheep | but it's also a good time to either get money to survive over the next year of studying or get relaxed. |
| 00:30.24 | EnderMB | Well, whatever free time I get, typically before I go to sleep... |
| 00:31.00 | saiyr | Giant-Sheep: i was/am lucky not to have that problem |
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| 00:31.59 | Giant-Sheep | they tried to change the studying system here so that people would graduate in 5 years, but in CS they basically just made people graduate in 7 years or more because of poor planning. |
| 00:32.03 | Giant-Sheep | so we're fucked :D |
| 00:32.14 | EnderMB | 7 years?! |
| 00:32.30 | Giant-Sheep | oh, sorry about using that word, but you know...we're...not doing well :/ |
| 00:32.32 | codelearner | summer jobs in india dont pay that well ,I'll rather do some social work then to serve pizza for peanuts. |
| 00:32.36 | saiyr | that sucks, 5 years in a lot of places in the US already = BS + MS |
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| 00:32.48 | codelearner | 7 years? |
| 00:32.49 | EnderMB | In the UK a normal bachelor of science is 3 years |
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| 00:33.29 | Giant-Sheep | ah, well, that's what we're getting. BS + MS. but 5 years should be the optimal time. but according to studies 63,3% in our school reach that in 7 years or more :/ |
| 00:34.02 | EnderMB | That sucks. |
| 00:34.04 | codelearner | 3 + 2 in india or 4 + 2 |
| 00:34.06 | Giant-Sheep | so something went wrong and it can't be just us being lazy :/ |
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| 00:34.28 | saiyr | my university started 4+1 right after i graduated :( |
| 00:34.44 | Giant-Sheep | it's "technically" 3+2 here. |
| 00:34.54 | Giant-Sheep | but good luck with that. |
| 00:34.57 | EnderMB | Something definitely sounds skewed with those stats, but hey, if you do well and graduate after 4/5 you'll be in demand. :) |
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| 00:35.26 | EnderMB | There are now only 5 people in my class that are going to pass the second year. |
| 00:35.33 | codelearner | wow |
| 00:35.56 | EnderMB | Whereas we also run a "Computing" degree that isn't accredited, that now has almost 500 students in their second year |
| 00:36.31 | EnderMB | Most prospective students take the Computing degree now instead of Computer Science because they get to choose what modules they want to do. |
| 00:36.51 | EnderMB | Plus, all those that fail CS end up taking Computing after, so it's viewed as the "drop-out degree" |
| 00:37.21 | EnderMB | My class is full of nerds whilst theirs is full of attractive women, drunks and ghetto kids. |
| 00:37.22 | codelearner | here even if you got A grades in everything, you might be standing at the end of a long queue. usually ppl complete their courses in time. ( which are obsolete anyway ) |
| 00:38.44 | EnderMB | Obsolete? |
| 00:38.58 | lh | whoa. |
| 00:39.09 | codelearner | COBOL in master's degree? |
| 00:39.20 | EnderMB | Wow. |
| 00:39.21 | holger_ | it's not really about the time your degree takes. it's what you took out of it. |
| 00:39.23 | codelearner | or fortan in bachelors |
| 00:39.32 | Giant-Sheep | that kinda sucks. we can choose whatever course we want, though. they're just not balanced. you can end up doing 100 hours of work for a programming course and get less points for some other course you work for about 20 hours or so. |
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| 00:39.35 | cjhopman | i figure if the degree is ever obselete, then its not computer science |
| 00:39.38 | saiyr | engineers still learn fortran here sometimes |
| 00:39.43 | codelearner | and C++ in school (K!@ ) |
| 00:39.47 | holger_ | but, no, cobol and fortran aren't going to impress anyone. |
| 00:39.48 | codelearner | K 12 I mean |
| 00:40.23 | nsquare | what? |
| 00:40.38 | nsquare | cobol, fortran? |
| 00:40.42 | codelearner | yea :P |
| 00:41.04 | codelearner | some courses are like that :P |
| 00:41.29 | nsquare | which university? :D |
| 00:42.01 | codelearner | Delhi university has such courses :D |
| 00:42.33 | holger_ | and they're _required_? |
| 00:43.09 | codelearner | yeah until sometime back they were :P |
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| 00:43.43 | Giant-Sheep | that feels just...wrong... |
| 00:43.52 | codelearner | ha ha :P |
| 00:43.54 | nsquare | yeah |
| 00:44.13 | nsquare | i know that mumbai and pune universities has got decent coursework |
| 00:44.28 | codelearner | but now all the things are changes much |
| 00:44.35 | codelearner | changed much |
| 00:45.02 | Giant-Sheep | here it's java->C basically. Soon it's Python->Java->C. After that's it's "whatever you want". |
| 00:45.39 | codelearner | engg degrees are uptodate usually but BS courses are like revised once in 5 -10 years. |
| 00:45.43 | saiyr | we're java->C here too, i kind of nudged a prof about doing python->java->C but i doubt they will :p |
| 00:46.06 | EnderMB | We're mostly Java, with a bit of C and Prolog thrown in. |
| 00:46.41 | icez | we started with C++, then they switched to Java, and you're not really required to take any actual programming courses except one on paradigms (which is just C/C++/scheme/prolog) |
| 00:46.41 | codelearner | here it is usually like C++ in school then JAVA in first year and then usual linux etc when you move higher. |
| 00:46.42 | EnderMB | In fact, I've just finished a route planner for the london underground in Prolog. |
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| 00:48.28 | antarus | meh |
| 00:48.36 | antarus | starting with python skips too many important lessons |
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| 00:49.53 | nsquare | yeah |
| 00:50.00 | nsquare | C is ideal to start with :) |
| 00:50.04 | codelearner | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:50.42 | EnderMB | Nice, we get six courses per year, so we don't really get to cover much and when we do its all packed into one course. |
| 00:51.07 | Giant-Sheep | well I dunno. There's a point in starting with python instead of Java. Just doing a simple Hello World in Java kinda needs you to explain a lot of things. |
| 00:51.12 | EnderMB | Yet, despite that, we still had to take Symbolic AI and Sub-Symbolic AI |
| 00:51.18 | nsquare | codelearner, you atleast have summer :D |
| 00:51.42 | nsquare | in my undergrad university, summer break = 4 weeks :) |
| 00:51.48 | codelearner | I had some thing like this C > C++ > JAVA |
| 00:52.55 | Giant-Sheep | oh, well personally I went to route of C -> C++ -> C# -> Java -> C -> C++ :) |
| 00:53.18 | Giant-Sheep | 4 weeks?! oh christ, I couldn't live with that :) |
| 00:53.21 | codelearner | C+- ?? |
| 00:53.42 | codelearner | ah we have * weeks or so for summers :P |
| 00:53.48 | codelearner | *8 |
| 00:54.12 | nsquare | C/C++ is awesome :) |
| 00:54.14 | nsquare | :D |
| 00:54.20 | EnderMB | Mine would be a mesh of Assembly Language -> C -> Java -> C# -> Haskell |
| 00:54.56 | EnderMB | If you're used to writing in an object-oriented language then Haskell will screw with your head |
| 00:55.10 | araujo | not really |
| 00:55.28 | araujo | Actually, if you are used to pure OO languages, Haskell would make lot of sense to you |
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| 00:55.54 | codelearner | never worked on haskell |
| 00:56.12 | araujo | codelearner, good language, no matter what background you have, I recommend you to check it out |
| 00:57.05 | codelearner | ok :) I was thinking >NET and PHP this summer |
| 00:57.09 | EnderMB | In principle, yes, but you always end up writing far less code in Haskell. |
| 00:57.11 | nsquare | i did not know there was a language called haskell untill last semester :P |
| 00:57.17 | codelearner | .Net |
| 00:57.25 | EnderMB | http://book.realworldhaskell.org/read/ |
| 00:57.26 | nsquare | was=is |
| 00:57.33 | saiyr | drop php and go with haskell ;) |
| 00:57.35 | spx2 | nsquare: what school are you going to that it teaches you haskell ? |
| 00:57.38 | araujo | check haskell.org for further info guys |
| 00:57.44 | araujo | good community and plenty of nice resources |
| 00:58.13 | nsquare | spx2: my school does not teach haskell :) |
| 00:58.20 | holger_ | or ocaml, or erlang. |
| 00:58.42 | EnderMB | Drop PHP and give C# a try. |
| 00:59.12 | codelearner | nither does my college teach .net or PHP or C# or Ruby or Python :/ |
| 00:59.17 | nsquare | i participated in capture the flag competition last sem, there was a puzzle in haskell. obviously, could not crack :D |
| 00:59.21 | holger_ | problem with all those nice languages is - you need a task that fits. |
| 00:59.29 | saiyr | EnderMB: well he already said .NET and PHP |
| 00:59.35 | EnderMB | That's where Project Euler comes in handy. |
| 01:00.15 | codelearner | and In GSOC almost everyone asks for python and / or PHP :) |
| 01:00.26 | holger_ | as in - most of real life doesn't really reward those who know them. |
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| 01:01.01 | EnderMB | I spent a lot of my childhood writing PHP |
| 01:01.23 | saiyr | holger_: i think in that case it's more about what you learn from those languages that you can apply to ones you do use |
| 01:01.24 | holger_ | i did two years of gsoc doing asm. and it's not entirely unlikely i'm going to mentor an asm project this year ;) |
| 01:01.25 | codelearner | :) I spent my child hood in C :P |
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| 01:02.10 | nsquare | never coded during childhood :P :P |
| 01:02.22 | nsquare | all started when i started my bachelors :) |
| 01:02.27 | codelearner | you dont always get what you want :/ |
| 01:02.42 | codelearner | I didnt coded after my school |
| 01:02.57 | codelearner | bachelors was in life sciences :P |
| 01:03.00 | EnderMB | I didn't really realise that I was coding when I started. I just wanted to make websites, so started with HTML, then JavaScript, then PHP and then I realised what I was wasting my childhoood on. |
| 01:03.36 | EnderMB | Then I started setting up forums for large gaming websites, then I realised it was turning into a "job" |
| 01:04.35 | holger_ | EnderMB: and then you realized you wanted to do stuff, not just setup stuff? ;) |
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| 01:05.14 | EnderMB | holger_: At that point I was into vBulletin, so I had already written a few modifications and skins. |
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| 01:06.06 | EnderMB | Then I kinda moved onto Visual Basic and C, realising that scripting for the web was boring and that writing real applications was amazing. |
| 01:06.22 | holger_ | has been through that too. you get to set up a lot, you need to know a lot, but you never get to do anything deep. just "stuff". gets boring after some time. |
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| 01:07.34 | icez | and now everyone wants to go back to the web :P |
| 01:07.36 | EnderMB | On top of that, I spent several months writing a vBulletin article system, like a simplstic CMS powered by vBulletin 2...only for Jelsoft to release vBulletin 3. |
| 01:08.07 | codelearner | heh :P it is like the .dot com boom returns |
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| 01:08.58 | EnderMB | Perhaps it'll pop again, and Facebook, Twitter and the rest will die out. |
| 01:09.27 | codelearner | everyone wants all their things in one place, and access from anywhere. |
| 01:10.00 | holger_ | twitter. never saw a web service more aptly named. twit-ter. |
| 01:10.02 | holger_ | ducks |
| 01:10.21 | codelearner | :D |
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| 01:10.52 | EnderMB | I only use it so I can read what Stephen Fry is up to. |
| 01:11.23 | antarus | come back when you have made millions of dollars running a web company and then you can tell twitter they suck ;p |
| 01:11.38 | codelearner | I used it during the mumbai attacks :) |
| 01:11.50 | holger_ | no. they don't suck. they found a market and served its needs. |
| 01:12.07 | codelearner | after that It is almost forgotten |
| 01:12.22 | codelearner | all my friends are on orkut. |
| 01:12.24 | EnderMB | antarus: Neither of them are making anything. |
| 01:12.50 | antarus | EnderMB: ummm tell that to the employees? :) |
| 01:12.52 | EnderMB | They're all living on venture capital, apart from MySpace, which has News Corp to pick up the bills. |
| 01:12.57 | codelearner | so naturally I have to be there, no matter how good the other service is. |
| 01:13.03 | yigit | !next |
| 01:13.04 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 01:13.06 | holger_ | EnderMB: yes, of course, theres still the ??? in do something - ??? - make money. |
| 01:14.28 | EnderMB | I can't help but feel that it's the dot-com bubble all over again as it seems that none of these companies have a Business Model |
| 01:14.41 | antarus | techcrunch claims facebook is close to breaking even ;p |
| 01:15.39 | codelearner | likw we have 5 brilliant idea web sites - foo1, foo 2, foo3, etc then all want people to connect with others , so they have 5 different API's and all of this means more confusion :P |
| 01:15.39 | EnderMB | And how long do you think Facebook will still be relevant before the next big thing comes and steals its thunder? |
| 01:15.52 | holger_ | i can imagine not making a loss is considered a success in the web2.0 business. |
| 01:16.53 | EnderMB | Success to a Web 2.0 company is being bought out. YouTube would be dead now without Google, as would MySpace without News Corp |
| 01:16.54 | holger_ | while almost everywhere else, you need to make profits to even get any funding. |
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| 01:17.36 | codelearner | Initial VC funding is on idea and not on profit. |
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| 01:18.07 | EnderMB | I can see Google or MS buying Facebook, just for the data. |
| 01:18.09 | ajain | codelearner: its on how ur idea can generate profit .. |
| 01:18.25 | holger_ | usually needs to be a profitable idea in the short term though. not a "maybe profitable after burning 100s of millions of dollars" |
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| 01:18.38 | ajain | they are more interested in future aspects and how big is target market .. and ur competitors |
| 01:18.43 | EnderMB | I've pitched an idea to venture capitalists before, as part of a university competition |
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| 01:19.06 | EnderMB | It didn't get picked in the end, but I won £200, so it was worth it. |
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| 01:19.32 | ajain | I also pitched an idea in my college competition and got incubated here only |
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| 01:20.23 | ajain | everybody is interested in facebook, because of the number of users they have got. |
| 01:21.03 | ajain | so is the case with MS's interest in yahoo search. I dont think its for technology, its for the users |
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| 01:21.36 | codelearner | I dont think so , If i have a similar product , I'll invest to enhance it, and not be paying exorbitant sum to buy out a competitor. it makes more sense though if you say buy out Microsoft :P |
| 01:22.13 | EnderMB | I don't know why MS want Yahoo. For the same amount of money they could buy Adobe and get Flash, Dreamweaver, Photoshop, everything. |
| 01:22.40 | ajain | yahoo is the second largest search engine. If all traffic from search |
| 01:22.58 | ajain | .if all traffic from search.yahoo.com goes to MS, it will be a big plus for them |
| 01:23.02 | EnderMB | All MS wanted from Yahoo is the brand. If they get Yahoo's traffic then they won't be so far behind Yahoo |
| 01:23.09 | EnderMB | Google* |
| 01:23.13 | ajain | yes right. |
| 01:23.42 | EnderMB | It will make no difference though. Google has won. |
| 01:23.43 | codelearner | plus it is a lot of other business data for MS products. |
| 01:23.58 | codelearner | remains to be seen |
| 01:24.29 | ajain | Google certainly has won in terms of search technology. |
| 01:24.29 | EnderMB | I don't know how Yahoo failed. The engineers there are phenomenal, they have great products and great websites, and they have a brand that survived the first dot-com crash and is still going. |
| 01:24.56 | ajain | Yahoo is also coming up with a new social networking site. It's not public yet though. |
| 01:26.49 | saiyr | i don't think yahoo was ever relevant to me :| |
| 01:26.59 | saiyr | the only thing i used of theirs was yahoo games |
| 01:27.31 | EnderMB | I use Yahoo Pipes occasionally and Flickr |
| 01:27.46 | ajain | yeah, they are good services. |
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| 01:28.00 | maruel | Folks, please. |
| 01:28.36 | ajain | Yahoo mail is certainly better than Gmail (thats my opinion) if u have good net connection.... but thr spam filter is nowhere close to being as good as Gmail's.. and that's the only reason i cant even think of using ymail |
| 01:28.46 | DonQuijote | in my opinion, Yahoo tried to merge everything in one site too fast |
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| 01:29.04 | saiyr | i guess i did make a pipe recently, not a photo person though |
| 01:29.17 | EnderMB | DonQuijote: Definitely. The portal died long ago and took Yahoo with it, |
| 01:29.43 | saiyr | my yahoo mail just collects spam |
| 01:30.20 | EnderMB | Same. I eventually got bored with my Yahoo mail account and decided to purposely sign up to spam with it. |
| 01:31.21 | ajain | yahoo's social networking site: http://spotm.com |
| 01:32.12 | ajain | is away for breakfast |
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| 01:33.16 | DonQuijote | Yahoo 360 version 2? |
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| 01:46.09 | Its_me1 | I have submitted my proposal to an organization, do I have to just wait till April 20 for results or do I have to perform any other procedures during this period? |
| 01:46.38 | Catfish_Man | Its_me1: chatting with your mentoring organization, getting to know the code, etc... are all productive and good things to do |
| 01:46.40 | Catfish_Man | but certainly not necessary |
| 01:46.56 | Landon | (patches patches patches) |
| 01:47.00 | Landon | something I didn't do enough of last year |
| 01:47.15 | Landon | I was all but completely unfamiliar with the codebase when I started |
| 01:47.56 | Its_me1 | Catfish_Man: ok, but is their any other GSOC procedure that I have to follow? |
| 01:48.00 | Catfish_Man | nope |
| 01:48.47 | Its_me1 | Catfish_Man: Thanks for answering. |
| 01:48.59 | Catfish_Man | np |
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| 01:49.55 | ojwb | Its_me1: also check for mentor comments on your application and respond if there are any |
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| 01:51.11 | Its_me1 | ojwb: Yes I am checking that regularly, no one has made an comment yet, will this appear just below my proposal or it will appear in Notification area? |
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| 01:51.48 | ojwb | the comment will appear below, and a message that there is one appears in the notification area if you subscribed to get notifications |
| 01:52.24 | ojwb | generally, applicants we've heard from aside from the proposal itself stand more chance |
| 01:52.46 | Its_me1 | ojwb: What kind of Notifications will appear and where should I subscribe? |
| 01:52.54 | ojwb | not responding to direct questions is not a good sign; proactively coming and talking about stuff is a good one |
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| 01:53.20 | ojwb | doesn't see the student view - for mentors there are "subscribe" buttons at the top of the application view |
| 01:53.42 | ojwb | apparently students don't get automatically subscribed to their own proposals |
| 01:53.54 | omniter | thye don't =\ |
| 01:53.56 | omniter | i didn't |
| 01:57.11 | Its_me1 | ojwb: I found Subscribe button in my proposal page, I have subscribed to my proposal now. Thanks |
| 01:57.32 | holger_ | ojwb: i second that. some just seem to have mass dumped proposals. i have seen one or two with quite impressive cv, but no actual contact with the project. for example, we require an introduction on our irc channel. some have not even done that. |
| 01:58.42 | holger_ | otoh, my project does respond to every single one. if they don't even take that hint - well. we're happy to rate them down. |
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| 02:01.42 | ojwb | holger_: I think some students submit a lot of proposals and then don't have the time to even respond to comments on all of them |
| 02:02.06 | ojwb | and the proposals are pretty low quality, so get more comments on average |
| 02:02.16 | holger_ | ojwb: they shouldn't do that then. it wastes time for all involved. |
| 02:02.36 | ojwb | yes |
| 02:02.53 | ojwb | has been trying to spread the word on here |
| 02:03.06 | ojwb | the average # seems to be down this year at least |
| 02:03.23 | ojwb | about 1.7 apps per student who applied |
| 02:04.30 | holger_ | ojwb: who are you with? i'm a potential mentor for videolan/x264 |
| 02:07.11 | ojwb | swig |
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| 02:09.55 | holger_ | ojwb: well. guess you didn't get that much students who just wrote "i love your software, i've been using it for years, i finally want to help improve it" ;) |
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| 02:10.57 | holger_ | x264, btw, set up qualification tasks that seem to have scared away most of the ppl who can't do it. |
| 02:11.00 | ojwb | we got one which was so generic it didn't mention SWIG or anything it does |
| 02:11.27 | ojwb | but quite a few of the applicants have prior swig experience |
| 02:11.50 | holger_ | we got a couple ppl in the channel, but those who actually turned in proposals mostly seem like they could do it. |
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| 02:13.33 | codelearner | if mentors are assigned before 15 and someone has exams in this period and the org asks to do a lot of things not all of which is possible within this period, what it means? that someone who is willing to work will lose a chance? or is it like things can be done a day or two later? |
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| 02:13.44 | DonQuijote | holger_: hey, but there are students who really use and like a piece of software and want to start helping... It's one of the reasons why I entered my proposal on the GSoC! |
| 02:14.21 | holger_ | codelearner: talk to your org. |
| 02:14.46 | holger_ | DonQuijote: no problem at all if they're qualified. |
| 02:15.02 | codelearner | what about your org? how they handle? |
| 02:15.26 | holger_ | codelearner: you're a student? or a potential mentor? |
| 02:15.36 | codelearner | student :) |
| 02:16.46 | holger_ | codelearner: apr 15 is deadline for all ratings. if you're not above the line by then, you're most probably out. |
| 02:17.04 | ojwb | codelearner: talk to your org about it and explain the exam commitments |
| 02:17.45 | ojwb | quietly not doing whatever has been asked is definitely not a good response |
| 02:18.47 | codelearner | ok , thanks for the info :) |
| 02:18.53 | codelearner | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.05 | holger_ | codelearner: we have some simple requirements. introduce yourself on the channel, do a qualification task. if you did both, your proposal is more likely to receive attention. |
| 02:20.05 | holger_ | and if you can't do the quali task in time for whatever reason, letting the org know why (and maybe include partial results) is still better than nothing. |
| 02:20.56 | codelearner | that means my patch works or not, I send it ?! |
| 02:21.10 | codelearner | ok, but , ok :) |
| 02:21.15 | codelearner | got it :) |
| 02:21.34 | holger_ | codelearner: communication is the key. |
| 02:22.33 | holger_ | no idea how your org handles things (which one?) but a student who communicates shows much more presence (and interest) than one who doesn't. |
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| 02:27.40 | codelearner | I am sure they have no time, so why waste their time with all those silly excuses, I'll try to do what is asked, but initial response was vague like you have until 20th so I was hoping that after exams I'll do it, but this changes things now :) |
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| 02:29.54 | codelearner | and what to do if the proposal doesn't gets any comments in the first place ? (My second application didn't , so I guess I am rejected there. ) |
| 02:31.05 | holger_ | codelearner: not all orgs comment on all the proposals. i was a student in the former years, and i didn't receive any feedback in 2005 and 2006 (and got rejected without knowing why - maybe i shouldn't have concentrated on a single project) |
| 02:31.42 | holger_ | otoh, in 2007 i made it clear that this was my only app. and got feedback. and the project and a successful gsoc. |
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| 02:32.36 | holger_ | in 2008, i had one "i want this one" app and a couple backups. most of the backups didn't get comments (or just the initial one). the main one got in, and successful, and now i'm likely to mentor for them. |
| 02:34.32 | codelearner | ok , but i almost guessed it, when applying to big orgs,one should make sure that he/she is in touch with the org like writing patches etc, otherwise applications are not even looked into :) and it makes some sense even.. after all time is not free.*sighs* but next year, maybe ... |
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| 02:35.02 | Catfish_Man | they're always looked at |
| 02:35.05 | ojwb | all applications should get looked at |
| 02:35.16 | ojwb | if not, the org is failing in their commitment to gsoc |
| 02:35.21 | ojwb | and shouldn't be taking part |
| 02:35.23 | holger_ | codelearner: all apps are looked at. even at the big orgs. |
| 02:35.39 | Catfish_Man | codelearner: basically it sounds like you have a preconceived idea of how things are, and are trying to pretend we're telling you that it's right :P |
| 02:35.41 | nsquare | i have a question :) |
| 02:35.49 | holger_ | big orgs might have more ppl who have been around before and so are more likely to get accepted. but they also get more slots. |
| 02:35.57 | Catfish_Man | ask away nsquare |
| 02:36.22 | ojwb | codelearner: even attempting to do something but failing is interesting if we can see how you attempted it and what went wrong |
| 02:36.23 | nsquare | suppose i have submitted a proposal to org A and org B. Can org A guys have any information about my proposal to org B? |
| 02:36.31 | nsquare | can=does |
| 02:36.41 | nsquare | *do :P |
| 02:36.41 | Catfish_Man | nsquare: only if they talk to each other |
| 02:36.46 | Catfish_Man | which they can (and in some cases do) |
| 02:36.52 | ojwb | has explained this explicitly in at least some cases, since the tasks set aren't ones we've already done so may be harder than expected |
| 02:37.02 | ojwb | *some of the tasks set |
| 02:37.09 | Catfish_Man | oh, or if a mentor is a member of both projects |
| 02:37.16 | holger_ | nsquare: but unless that happens, they have no way of knowing unless you tell them. |
| 02:37.21 | Catfish_Man | (evan, for example, was both a pidgin and an adium mentor last year) |
| 02:37.57 | ojwb | nsquare: not through melange, but almost certainly by googling your name and gsoc, etc |
| 02:38.06 | nsquare | ok |
| 02:38.21 | nsquare | yeah, thats possible, those app pages are public |
| 02:38.29 | ojwb | and a many people develop for more than one org |
| 02:38.43 | ojwb | e.g. kblin is involved in 3 this year |
| 02:38.51 | holger_ | nsquare: it would be fair to tell them though. at least if you start to get the feeling more than one org wants you. |
| 02:39.03 | ojwb | but we aren't offended that students apply to other places too |
| 02:39.05 | holger_ | otherwise, you're just going to be more work in the duplicate sortout. |
| 02:39.09 | codelearner | ok, sorry if I sound so, but I became aware of the project on 24th of march when I visited a campus and saw a program flier.than again choosing a org was a daunting task in itself :). |
| 02:39.17 | ojwb | we know there are about 1.7 apps per student |
| 02:39.45 | nsquare | holger_: if both organization accpet me (which would be awesome :D), then it would be very tough to decide |
| 02:39.45 | holger_ | codelearner: you're talking to someone who read _all_ the orgs ideas for _four_ years in a row. |
| 02:39.59 | nsquare | because both projects i have applied to are very similar |
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| 02:40.05 | Catfish_Man | holger_: heh. masochist :P |
| 02:40.18 | ojwb | nsquare: you don't necessarily get that choice |
| 02:40.35 | codelearner | heh :P |
| 02:40.38 | nsquare | ojwb: i know :) |
| 02:41.07 | codelearner | it takes along time actually :P |
| 02:41.21 | codelearner | I was reading this years and last years requirements |
| 02:41.43 | holger_ | ojwb: or more precisely: he only gets the choice if he communicates to them in advance. |
| 02:42.10 | codelearner | it is like everyone wants to see patches, so this is the reason maybe applications have gone down. |
| 02:42.13 | holger_ | otherwise, the orgs will decide in the duplicate sortout. |
| 02:42.20 | ojwb | holger_: perhaps not even then |
| 02:42.22 | codelearner | but there are ppl like me ... |
| 02:42.34 | ojwb | but yes, if you don't tell the orgs your preference, it's 50/50 |
| 02:43.01 | nsquare | any one accept would be great :D :) |
| 02:43.49 | codelearner | so it would be a little better if in those " off " periods the program's publicity is taken seriously by the students who get accepted :) someone did In my case though , but it was by chance :P |
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| 02:44.12 | Catfish_Man | codelearner: it's publicized on pretty much every tech news site on the internet |
| 02:44.14 | Catfish_Man | and most campuses |
| 02:44.21 | Catfish_Man | has been for quite a few years now |
| 02:44.39 | holger_ | codelearner: orgs learn from experience too. a good proposal doesn't mean a good student. some code helps a lot more. |
| 02:46.01 | holger_ | and well, really: ppl tell you they want to work the whole summer and can't be bothered to invest a couple days to show you they can really get something done? |
| 02:46.41 | codelearner | yeah it was on the other campus |
| 02:47.56 | nsquare | catfish: some students in my university dont have any idea about gsoc |
| 02:48.19 | Catfish_Man | nsquare: yeah, we see a lot of that. I just don't understand how |
| 02:48.31 | holger_ | nsquare: heh. in 2007 i was the only one from my uni who was accepted. in 2008, we were two (out of three apps). |
| 02:48.35 | Catfish_Man | I think I've seen it mentioned in literally 100% of the communication media I use |
| 02:48.47 | codelearner | familiarity with code itself takes a lot of time. |
| 02:49.17 | nsquare | catfish: and that was surprising considering that there have been enough students accepted from gatech to gsoc in previous years |
| 02:49.30 | holger_ | codelearner: a good qualification task doesn't need you to get the whole codebase. |
| 02:49.38 | ipwa | can mentors make proposals in the soc site? |
| 02:49.48 | holger_ | codelearner: just a small part of what you're going to have to do. |
| 02:49.55 | Catfish_Man | ipwa: I'm not quite sure what you mean by that... |
| 02:50.04 | ipwa | I mean if there is not a student officially assigned to the proposal yet |
| 02:50.15 | codelearner | that small part is like a mini project for me :P |
| 02:50.45 | holger_ | codelearner: i spent the better part of two weeks to get my quali task done last year. |
| 02:51.37 | holger_ | the other three didn't do much less i'd guess. still they dropped out. |
| 02:52.04 | holger_ | so even with quali tasks, x264 only got a 1/4 return on their mentoring investment |
| 02:56.20 | holger_ | ipwa: you mean there's a proposal noone applied for? guess it's dead till next year then. |
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| 02:59.27 | codelearner | was unaware of how open source and gsoc fits with each other, until I read a lot of archives * after* submission, and asked a lot of stupid things :P |
| 03:00.20 | holger_ | codelearner: it's really quite easy. google runs the program and gives away money in the hope the oss orgs get new ppl to code for them. |
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| 03:02.41 | holger_ | codelearner: but asking is the key to knowing, yes. |
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| 03:05.59 | skbohra | does no comments on proposal means, everything is too clear ;) |
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| 03:06.51 | holger_ | skbohra: ask your org. some are just too busy to comment on every single one. |
| 03:06.54 | nsquare | skbohra: nope, it might mean they have not yet checked your proposal |
| 03:07.25 | guillaumebel_ | my mentor told me my proposal was one of the very best they received, and I have no comments on it. so maybe :p |
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| 03:08.35 | holger_ | guillaumebel_: yes. some orgs run things internally. so no comments can mean good one or really bad one. inbetweens should get questions. |
| 03:08.57 | codelearner | but one thing is, what do google gets in return apart from the licenses and the code?they money they are paying isn't costing them too much ? like that is the average line of code they get on the money they invest? is it better then the in house thing? and on top of it all most of the code is like not filling anywhere immediately? ( in their product of course ) |
| 03:09.25 | codelearner | * fitting* |
| 03:09.34 | Catfish_Man | codelearner: in terms of public relations gain per dollar alone, GSoC ain't a bad investment |
| 03:09.40 | holger_ | codelearner: isn't it obvious? to google, this is public relations. |
| 03:10.16 | barmstr | the key is getting more people into developing foss, not the projects themselves |
| 03:10.18 | Catfish_Man | holger_: not entirely. Benefiting open source and locating top new programmers are also good |
| 03:10.20 | barmstr | well, part of it |
| 03:10.47 | holger_ | Catfish_Man: possibly, but secondary i think. |
| 03:10.48 | NicDumZ | wow, reading http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=26081 was interesting. Diagnosing such a rare hardware bug surely is hard :s |
| 03:10.50 | codelearner | ok :) that sounds win win for all |
| 03:11.07 | Catfish_Man | exactly! win-win-win situation |
| 03:11.10 | NicDumZ | I like how it reminds readers that we are sitting on a huge stack, and that perfectly mastering one high-level technique without knowledge of lower levels is clearly not enough |
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| 03:14.48 | holger_ | NicDumZ: the non-atomic cmpxchg in rare cases bug? |
| 03:15.04 | NicDumZ | yes |
| 03:15.32 | holger_ | another case for open docs. |
| 03:15.53 | NicDumZ | ( for others: http://timetobleed.com/mysql-doesnt-always-suck-this-time-its-amd/ ) |
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| 03:16.18 | NicDumZ | yes, it's also impressive how no errata or official fix is available |
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| 03:18.23 | holger_ | this needs a microcode fix if possible. if not, it's just not going to make you look good if you tell ppl "well, yes, we knew about the lock prefix, yet we somehow failed to properly make our cpu obey to it" |
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| 03:19.42 | holger_ | otoh, given how intel has handled things in the past, i wouldn't be surprised if they told ppl to just use lfence. |
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| 03:20.32 | Catfish_Man | holger_: I dunno. AMD doesn't have the leverage that Intel does |
| 03:21.44 | NicDumZ | not communicating around known bugs because it doesnt make you look good.... doesnt make you look any better either :) |
| 03:23.01 | xiung_xhao | Hello. I'm not sure where else to ask this question. I know nothing is certain, but does anyone have any idea of the when the next GHOP contest will be held? |
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| 03:23.31 | NicDumZ | look at a security issue. I s it bad to advertise about the issue? No, of course not, you should communicate as much as possible, explaining the issue and providing the fix |
| 03:23.38 | holger_ | NicDumZ: eh, no, probably not. actually i still like amd for their efforts to make a cpu where you don't have to jump through hoops to get full simd performance out of it. |
| 03:23.55 | holger_ | but not admitting to bugs isn't going to help them. |
| 03:24.31 | holger_ | xiung_xhao: whenever another one gets announced. |
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| 03:26.03 | holger_ | did not so nice things to x264 to get full performance out of intel cpus for some of the most important functions. |
| 03:26.42 | xiung_xhao | holger_: Any idea when that might be? |
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| 03:26.48 | holger_ | anyone interested see http://git.videolan.org/?p=x264.git;a=commit;h=2dca5f5413051a26cbba4e20f3c77ff69b694ba3 |
| 03:27.27 | Catfish_Man | seen it already :) |
| 03:27.53 | omniter | yayyyyy... guess what guys |
| 03:28.02 | omniter | i just switched from windows to ubuntu |
| 03:28.05 | omniter | completely. :) |
| 03:28.16 | ojwb | xiung_xhao: we don't know, but I'd guess it will be at a similar time of year to the last one |
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| 03:29.17 | holger_ | Catfish_Man: so you like twisted simd? ;) |
| 03:29.37 | Catfish_Man | holger_: appreciate from a distance :) |
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| 03:31.13 | Catfish_Man | very impressive work though :D |
| 03:31.27 | holger_ | i wrote my diploma thesis on what i did to get there. still not sure if my prof is going to get it. |
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| 03:34.23 | holger_ | oh, very twisted simd in predict_8x8_vr_sse2 here: http://git.videolan.org/?p=x264.git;a=commit;h=32615747d3ab5648b666b4f55531f47b3c075521 |
| 03:35.07 | holger_ | i wonder if any compiler could ever have come up with that atrocity ;) |
| 03:35.17 | Catfish_Man | heh, it's curious. Two of the three people I've talked to that do heavy simd stuff are named Holger |
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| 03:37.25 | holger_ | Catfish_Man: i think that name translates to "speer bearer" (or wielder) in nordic. |
| 03:37.58 | holger_ | make your own associations. |
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| 05:34.32 | Shannon90 | !numapps |
| 05:34.32 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
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| 05:34.41 | Shannon90 | !next |
| 05:34.41 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 05:35.37 | Gaurav___ | lh is there any information of proposal submitted, organization wise ? |
| 05:38.11 | codelearner | !askyourorg |
| 05:38.11 | socinfo | "askyourorg" is You should ask the organization you are interested in applying as this varies per organization. |
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| 06:38.49 | jorrit | Hi |
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| 06:45.30 | _xtian | !google |
| 06:45.30 | socinfo | "google" is not the cosmic cash machine people think it is. |
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| 06:48.35 | scorche | _xtian: looking for something? |
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| 07:06.43 | firesoul | !numapps |
| 07:06.43 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
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| 07:07.56 | shirish_ | hi |
| 07:07.59 | shirish_ | kitallis, |
| 07:08.11 | shirish_ | :P |
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| 07:09.09 | pushkalcodes | no official announcement regarding applications as yet ? |
| 07:09.28 | smtms | pushkalcodes, what announcement? |
| 07:09.41 | harlan | arma: ping |
| 07:09.46 | pushkalcodes | total number of applications, no. of applications per org |
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| 07:11.28 | smtms | pushkalcodes, this is all that is announced so far: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/04/student-applications-for-google-summer.html |
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| 07:15.08 | ArthurLiu | quick question: do registered mentors who are not assigned a student eventually get a tshirt ? |
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| 07:29.08 | scorche | ArthurLiu: they have in the past |
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| 07:51.44 | spectie | mornin all |
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| 08:12.36 | Arc | any blender mentors here? |
| 08:12.51 | kblin | !aynone |
| 08:12.52 | socinfo | Error: "aynone" is not a valid command. |
| 08:12.57 | kblin | !anyone |
| 08:12.58 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 08:13.11 | kblin | spelling things right helps :) |
| 08:13.38 | Arc | thanks :-) |
| 08:13.55 | thebolt | kblin: :) |
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| 09:02.15 | ajuonline | o.o |
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| 09:19.20 | salexse | what if i'm accepted by mentors to couple projects. who will choose the one? how this will be proceeded? |
| 09:22.14 | kblin | salexse: depends |
| 09:22.20 | kblin | most mentors will ask you |
| 09:22.55 | salexse | is it up to mentor's consideration or Google's? |
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| 09:23.25 | kblin | google does't care |
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| 09:25.27 | salexse | hm, strange a bit) |
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| 09:26.16 | salexse | ok, as I understood it is all about negotiations between mentors |
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| 09:33.52 | kitallis | !stats |
| 09:33.52 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
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| 09:38.48 | kitallis | ;p |
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| 09:57.01 | salexse | If I'm accepted into to projects and one of them is ranked #1 while another one is ranked #2. As i understand assigning system I will be automatically taken to rank #1 application. can I somehow influence on it and change final decision? |
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| 09:59.52 | tilmann_ | salexse: no, it doesn't work like that |
| 10:00.33 | ojwb | that only works if the two applications are with the same org |
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| 10:00.54 | ojwb | otherwise, well you can make your preference known, but you may not get it |
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| 10:01.07 | ojwb | the assumption is you applied for projects you'd be happy to do |
| 10:01.11 | scorche | !learn multiple as If you accepted into multiple projects, the organizations will typically consult the student as to their choice. Students that do not respond or who would like to do either equally are typically sorted out over a cage-match style fight called "duplicate resolution". |
| 10:01.12 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 10:01.58 | ojwb | has a feeling we've a factoid for that already |
| 10:02.03 | scorche | likely |
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| 10:08.57 | scorche | ojwb: not from a quick search |
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| 10:11.53 | ojwb | about time then |
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| 10:15.45 | salexse | thanks |
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| 10:23.56 | jorrit | Time to go |
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| 10:44.09 | ajuonline | hi devvrat , how are you doing ? |
| 10:44.26 | devvrat | ajuonline: all fit and fine :) |
| 10:44.41 | devvrat | ajuonline: hows you buddy ? |
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| 10:47.13 | ajuonline | devvrat: great, did you apply this year? |
| 10:47.35 | devvrat | ya..to honeynet |
| 10:49.00 | ajuonline | great |
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| 13:02.02 | patri | !next |
| 13:02.02 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 13:03.02 | aghisla | nice day everyone |
| 13:03.59 | t0ms | :) |
| 13:04.33 | t0ms | sky without any clouds, +22C, such a nice weather today :) |
| 13:04.34 | skiquel | hi chx |
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| 13:11.32 | Xano_ | Lot of Drupal people in here :) |
| 13:12.12 | Xano_ | A friend of mine told me this year's payment would be done quite differently, using a credit card or something. I haven't been able to find anything about this though. |
| 13:12.25 | skiquel | :) |
| 13:12.39 | skiquel | This chatroom is a glorified vim |
| 13:12.47 | skiquel | the IRC vim plugin script |
| 13:12.50 | chx | !timeline |
| 13:12.51 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 13:12.53 | Xano_ | lol :P |
| 13:13.01 | skiquel | http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=931 |
| 13:13.13 | aghisla | maybe they will pay students with food |
| 13:13.17 | aghisla | or sheep |
| 13:13.28 | skiquel | They use a corporate debit card |
| 13:13.45 | skiquel | I can give you a screenshot of mine... with numbers blurred, if you want. |
| 13:14.06 | Xano_ | skiquel: Thanks, but that's not necessary. I am however curious as to how this works. |
| 13:14.10 | aghisla | skiquel: I prefer surprises :) |
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| 13:14.28 | aghisla | goes back to geophysical stuff |
| 13:14.56 | skiquel | At start, you get 500. Midterm, 2000, Final, 2000 |
| 13:15.08 | skiquel | they check to see if you're alive at coding at midterm and final |
| 13:15.18 | skiquel | correct me if I'm wrong, I worked straight through |
| 13:15.44 | Xano_ | skiquel: Uhuh, that's in the FAQ. 500 before coding, 2k midterm and at the end after evaluations. |
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| 13:17.45 | codelearner | then does the t-shirt arrives?at the very end or before? :P |
| 13:17.55 | aghisla | the very end |
| 13:18.02 | aghisla | you have to be very patient :) |
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| 13:18.33 | codelearner | ah... |
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| 13:27.21 | kblin | codelearner: you only get a t-shirt if you pass, after all |
| 13:28.18 | Xano_ | skiquel: But how exactly does that debit card work? |
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| 13:28.51 | skiquel | like one of the pre-paid credit cards kinda |
| 13:28.59 | skiquel | it doesnt even have your name nescessarily |
| 13:29.19 | skiquel | think corporate business debit card, google can put money on the account |
| 13:29.32 | freebird | edit my proposal says "page inactive", cant i even edit my abstract.? and when i can i edit the proposal? |
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| 13:30.12 | Xano_ | freebird: You can't. Deadline's passed last week. |
| 13:30.29 | codelearner | ah, ok :) |
| 13:30.42 | freebird | but, if i get a comment, i could change the proposal right? |
| 13:31.14 | skbohra|afk | you can post back comments |
| 13:31.54 | freebird | but still i cant change the proposal? (unlike the system last time?) then how am i to reflect their feedback into my proposal? |
| 13:31.57 | araujo | morning |
| 13:32.15 | ajuonline | freebird: by posting coments |
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| 13:32.46 | Xano_ | skiquel: So basically I just get the card and go and visit an ATM? :P |
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| 13:33.47 | skiquel | Xano_: it also works on many sites, like newegg :D |
| 13:33.57 | liu | Xano_: card? what kind of card? |
| 13:34.03 | Xano_ | skiquel: True, but I'd like to have to money on my own bank account. |
| 13:34.16 | Xano_ | liu: You get paid with a debit card. |
| 13:34.44 | ajuonline | Xano_: i'd like to have britney spears come and hand over me the money personally. |
| 13:34.46 | liu | Just an card account or an real card? |
| 13:35.03 | ajuonline | liu: real card. |
| 13:35.15 | ajuonline | hang on, the payment system for this year hasnt been announced yet. |
| 13:35.23 | Xano_ | ajuonline: You get Britney, I take the money :P |
| 13:35.24 | ajuonline | so no point discussing. |
| 13:35.35 | ajuonline | Xano_: deal. |
| 13:35.59 | ajuonline | Xano_: my point, google cant take care of 1000 different needs ;) |
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| 13:36.30 | Xano_ | ajuonline: I know. My point was that I just take the card to the atm around the corner and deposit the money on my own account again :P |
| 13:36.52 | liu | ajuonline: then how the card will be sent to you? and at when? |
| 13:37.21 | ajuonline | Xano_: you are smart :D |
| 13:37.25 | aghisla | ajuonline said: hang on, the payment system for this year hasnt been announced yet. |
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| 13:37.51 | Xano_ | As long as I get my money I don't mind :P |
| 13:37.56 | Xano_ | And the T-shirt, of course :P |
| 13:37.59 | tntcoder | gotta get accepted first :) |
| 13:38.12 | ajuonline | liu: FedEx |
| 13:38.16 | aghisla | then do a good job |
| 13:38.30 | Xano_ | tntcoder: True, but hey, we gotta have hope :D |
| 13:38.36 | tntcoder | we do indeed :) |
| 13:38.42 | aghisla | yes! |
| 13:38.44 | ajuonline | i thought hope died long back |
| 13:38.48 | liu | ajuonline: Wow , pretty cool:-D |
| 13:39.02 | ajuonline | err that was someone else. sorry. |
| 13:39.11 | Xano_ | :') |
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| 14:07.45 | harrynguyen | !next |
| 14:07.46 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 14:27.43 | fargiolas | is it possible to apply as a mentor while having registered as a student? (didn't submit an application) |
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| 14:28.19 | fargiolas | asked it in melange but got no reply |
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| 14:29.00 | sameer_a | !timeline |
| 14:29.00 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 14:48.22 | kartik_rustagi | !numappss |
| 14:48.22 | socinfo | Error: "numappss" is not a valid command. |
| 14:48.26 | kartik_rustagi | !numapps |
| 14:48.27 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
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| 15:34.30 | amolgupta | Hello..I had submitted GSOC application on right time but have not got any reply from the mentors nither does the IRC have any activity...what should I do now? |
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| 15:34.52 | t0ms | amolgupta: contact them |
| 15:34.55 | t0ms | them=mentors |
| 15:34.58 | t0ms | your org |
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| 15:35.46 | amolgupta | no activity on the IRC and mailing lists |
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| 15:36.10 | amolgupta | ? |
| 15:36.40 | amolgupta | @t0ms mailing list also not replying |
| 15:37.02 | t0ms | aha, then I do not know |
| 15:37.06 | t0ms | what's the org? |
| 15:37.19 | amolgupta | tikiwiki |
| 15:38.10 | amolgupta | got any idea? |
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| 15:38.53 | t0ms | amolgupta: mhm, you can try to contact your admin (main mentor) directly |
| 15:38.58 | t0ms | maybe they are too busy |
| 15:39.06 | amolgupta | maybe |
| 15:39.11 | amolgupta | I am still trying |
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| 15:39.43 | summatusmentis | hi all |
| 15:39.50 | t0ms | amolgupta: they will reply, I hope :)) |
| 15:40.03 | amolgupta | yup |
| 15:40.05 | amolgupta | thanx for all the info |
| 15:40.13 | amolgupta | will ping you later for more help |
| 15:40.52 | t0ms | amolgupta: I'm only a student :)) |
| 15:41.22 | amolgupta | Ahh...no probs |
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| 15:41.39 | t0ms | amolgupta: good luck with your proposal :) |
| 15:42.04 | amolgupta | thanx and same to you |
| 15:42.28 | t0ms | thx :) |
| 15:42.53 | hypa7ia | !next |
| 15:42.53 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 15:43.47 | amolgupta | I got no comments as yet |
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| 15:44.02 | amolgupta | I check it daily |
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| 15:44.29 | t0ms | amolgupta: my only comment is link to wiki, which says "get involved in the project" :) |
| 15:45.22 | amolgupta | I even tried to connect via the blogs of the mentors |
| 15:45.44 | amolgupta | maybe they already rejected |
| 15:45.47 | amolgupta | :9 |
| 15:45.50 | amolgupta | :( |
| 15:45.59 | t0ms | amolgupta: I recommend, try to write a patch and submit it |
| 15:46.03 | t0ms | new feature/bug fix |
| 15:46.12 | macduy | amolgupta, don't worry |
| 15:46.19 | macduy | I haven't received any feedback either |
| 15:46.27 | t0ms | amolgupta: at least you show interest :) |
| 15:46.41 | amolgupta | well everyone does... |
| 15:46.50 | amolgupta | we sprnt time making the application! |
| 15:47.15 | amolgupta | @macduy we both got hard luck maybe |
| 15:47.16 | t0ms | that's true :) |
| 15:47.29 | macduy | @amolgupta: I seriously wouldn't worry that much |
| 15:47.41 | macduy | mentors are human as well, they probably take their time |
| 15:48.17 | amolgupta | yup thats the reason |
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| 15:48.58 | liu | may be they got looooots of applications:-D |
| 15:49.24 | amolgupta | :) the application stats are interesting |
| 15:49.28 | t0ms | and they are reading them one by one :)) |
| 15:49.33 | amolgupta | 610 from india and 202 from china |
| 15:49.41 | amolgupta | yup one by one |
| 15:49.45 | macduy | wow |
| 15:49.47 | t0ms | amolgupta: how do you know that? |
| 15:49.54 | liu | GOOGLE BLOG |
| 15:49.57 | EsCoVa | hehehe |
| 15:50.12 | vinc456 | Hello, I'm signing up for the gsoc mailing list and am wondering what the mysterious "receive digests" option will do. |
| 15:50.17 | amolgupta | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/04/student-applications-for-google-summer.html |
| 15:50.18 | EsCoVa | Brasil top five, this is amazing! |
| 15:50.26 | amolgupta | came by the google groups |
| 15:50.28 | t0ms | ah, I thought 610 and 202 for YOUR org :)) |
| 15:50.37 | t0ms | amolgupta: I read that like an hour ago :D |
| 15:50.41 | amolgupta | :D |
| 15:51.04 | amolgupta | was expecting more from these countries |
| 15:51.07 | macduy | @vinc456: it sends a summary of new messages to your e-mail afaik |
| 15:51.25 | t0ms | amolgupta: is there a table with all countries? |
| 15:51.52 | amolgupta | I dont know I just saw this blog |
| 15:51.57 | amolgupta | it had the top 5 |
| 15:52.07 | liu | for this year, I have not found it |
| 15:52.21 | t0ms | I'm interested in number of students from my contry |
| 15:52.23 | t0ms | country* |
| 15:52.24 | vinc456 | macduy: Thanks. |
| 15:52.38 | codelearner | serch bte blog |
| 15:52.40 | macduy | there's last year stats by countries |
| 15:52.57 | amolgupta | @t0ms you are from? |
| 15:53.00 | t0ms | Slovakia |
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| 15:53.07 | macduy | http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p6DuoA2lJToKmUzoSq6raZQ |
| 15:53.10 | t0ms | Slovak Republic |
| 15:53.15 | codelearner | there was a post about last year's participation |
| 15:53.22 | macduy | zdravím t0ms, já z Ceska :) |
| 15:53.38 | codelearner | aha thanks macduy :) |
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| 15:53.39 | t0ms | macduy: ahoj :)) |
| 15:53.52 | amolgupta | me India and I have 3 friends completing SOC last yr |
| 15:54.02 | macduy | sorry, the link doesn't work, let my try again: |
| 15:54.02 | macduy | http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p6DuoA2lJToKmUzoSq6raZQ&hl=en_GB |
| 15:54.12 | t0ms | hm, it says "3" and I know at least about 5 for this year |
| 15:55.16 | amolgupta | is that the no. of applications? |
| 15:55.18 | t0ms | I think it's number of students who participated in GSOC 08 |
| 15:55.22 | t0ms | 07 06 |
| 15:55.50 | nullpuppy | and 05 |
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| 15:56.05 | codelearner | the participation from the capital is low :) I guess 2-3 seminars and it will be like 500 more students. :) |
| 15:56.10 | nullpuppy | this year hasn't been announced yet. might see something after the 20th. |
| 15:57.49 | amolgupta | a small lecture on gsoc in our collg and atleast 6 ppl applied whome I know |
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| 16:00.40 | codelearner | my classmates said it is strict schedule at least those who i talked about this. maybe they have applied, I have not asked them |
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| 16:03.59 | Barthezz | what should we do before the list of accepted students is completed? |
| 16:04.16 | amolgupta | connect to the mentors |
| 16:04.22 | amolgupta | and discuss the application |
| 16:04.28 | Barthezz | done :) |
| 16:04.31 | macduy | get to know the project, read the code, talk to devs, write patches... |
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| 16:05.24 | Barthezz | should we start now, before the final confirmation? |
| 16:05.39 | macduy | if you feel like it |
| 16:06.00 | macduy | if you try the software, file bugfixes... gives you at least a + |
| 16:06.14 | Barthezz | it may be the "plus" for me to be taken to the prject, yep? |
| 16:06.22 | Barthezz | thanks) |
| 16:06.28 | codelearner | yes , otherwise you lose a chance, mentors are not aware then they might choose someone else. |
| 16:06.54 | macduy | it could be a test of who's really committed ;). |
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| 16:07.45 | codelearner | not necessarily, but yes it might be. |
| 16:08.09 | amolgupta | have you got any replies on the application from the mentors? |
| 16:08.21 | Barthezz | men. there is a company accepted as a mentor. but there is no any person defined, who will make the mentorship... am i right? so I can define him myself& |
| 16:09.15 | PearlJam | macduy: supposing i make some bugfixes, how m i supposed to make the mentoring org aware of that? |
| 16:09.48 | macduy | PearlJam: does your org have a bug tracker? |
| 16:10.19 | PearlJam | yes it does, but how will they relate a small bug fix to my application? or should i leave it to them to worry about tha. |
| 16:10.27 | codelearner | I have received one comment. |
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| 16:10.55 | macduy | PearlJam: ah, well if you can login into the bugtracker and use the same username as on your gsoc application |
| 16:10.59 | codelearner | show up on irc and ask the developers how to proceed |
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| 16:11.08 | macduy | then I guess they'll make the connection |
| 16:11.17 | PearlJam | aah i see. thank you. |
| 16:11.20 | macduy | or try irc, if someone's willing to review your patch |
| 16:11.36 | PearlJam | right. |
| 16:11.56 | macduy | btw, I'm a student as well + newbie to os development too :D |
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| 16:12.32 | PearlJam | :D |
| 16:12.36 | codelearner | same here :) |
| 16:12.50 | t0ms | same here :)) |
| 16:12.56 | Barthezz | like everyone, I see |
| 16:13.31 | amolgupta | me too :P |
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| 16:14.08 | codelearner | ah ... :P |
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| 16:15.09 | Barthezz | is it popular to demonstrate your newbie...(don't know the correct word)...ness? |
| 16:15.13 | amolgupta | did u get it? |
| 16:15.13 | Barthezz | :) |
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| 16:16.09 | Barthezz | people I have asked the question. can anyone answer it? |
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| 16:16.45 | summatusmentis | Barthezz: what does that even mean? |
| 16:16.45 | t0ms | Barthezz: you better ask someone from admins here |
| 16:17.13 | summatusmentis | about showing newbieness? |
| 16:17.23 | codelearner | I dont think so :) but if you have not done a thing , then how or why say I have done this thing? |
| 16:17.30 | summatusmentis | or am I not paying attention? |
| 16:17.51 | t0ms | summatusmentis: I think, he means: 18:08 < Barthezz> men. there is a company accepted as a mentor. but there is no any person defined, who will make the mentorship... am i right? so I can define him myself |
| 16:17.57 | Barthezz | yep! |
| 16:18.00 | summatusmentis | oh |
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| 16:18.09 | Barthezz | t0ms thank U |
| 16:18.12 | t0ms | :) |
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| 16:18.53 | summatusmentis | I don't know this for sure, but I would guess that you don't get to define the mentor. If there's not a person already set, you should ask the org about it, and they'll assign one |
| 16:19.03 | amolgupta | anyone with the tikiwiki organisation? |
| 16:19.10 | codelearner | there must be a email link somewhere, or an irc channel mentioned :) |
| 16:19.16 | summatusmentis | they may also just be waiting to see how many slots they get, and who they want to fund, before they decide on mentors |
| 16:19.18 | Barthezz | the last char was incorrect. so nobody understood that it was a question :) |
| 16:19.47 | summatusmentis | on a side note, not everyone here are men |
| 16:21.10 | Barthezz | hi ladies, I need your attention) |
| 16:21.39 | summatusmentis | rolls his eyes |
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| 16:22.06 | codelearner | :D |
| 16:22.20 | summatusmentis | Barthezz: it's not a big deal, just that some women may be offended, so it's better not to assume |
| 16:22.27 | summatusmentis | that's all |
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| 16:23.20 | Barthezz | sorry |
| 16:23.35 | summatusmentis | no, don't worry about it, I'm not trying to reprimand you :) |
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| 16:23.44 | summatusmentis | just raising awareness and all that |
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| 16:24.22 | summatusmentis | Barthezz: where are you from? |
| 16:24.28 | summatusmentis | if you don't mind my asking |
| 16:24.44 | Barthezz | that's ok i'm Russin |
| 16:24.53 | Barthezz | oh...Russian |
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| 16:25.09 | summatusmentis | oh wow |
| 16:25.24 | summatusmentis | one of my professors is Russian |
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| 16:25.35 | Shannon90 | !numapps |
| 16:25.35 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
| 16:25.54 | Shannon90 | !and today is tuesday |
| 16:25.54 | socinfo | Error: "and" is not a valid command. |
| 16:26.00 | codelearner | 8-| |
| 16:26.20 | codelearner | there is a post on the soc blog |
| 16:27.01 | summatusmentis | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/04/student-applications-for-google-summer.html |
| 16:27.07 | Barthezz | summatusmentis, and where are U from? |
| 16:27.17 | summatusmentis | Barthezz: I'm from the states |
| 16:27.32 | summatusmentis | (US) |
| 16:27.51 | Barthezz | hmmm. what's the weather? :) |
| 16:28.24 | summatusmentis | right now? mostly sunny, the snow is starting to melt, still cold enough to wear a light jacket |
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| 16:29.44 | summatusmentis | apparently ~2.2 C |
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| 16:32.55 | Barthezz | Siberian weather is like the same. it's typical Novosibirsk(my birthplace)'ian spring... but suddenly it stopped and the winter decided to continue itsself :( it's nearly 0 C |
| 16:33.38 | t0ms | Barthezz: the weather here (Bratislava) changed in 2-3 days from ~0C snowing to +22C sunny |
| 16:34.20 | Barthezz | hey everyone! let's buy the tickets to Bratislava! :) |
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| 16:35.25 | thebolt|away | i had 35C and sun two days ago in Manila.. now its 15C and rain here in Taiwan :/ |
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| 16:36.44 | summatusmentis | I'm still astounded that the US are the only country to use F |
| 16:36.55 | summatusmentis | you'd think we'd get w/ the program, eventually |
| 16:37.24 | Barthezz | btw, if I have something interesting to say for my mentoring company, I should wait only If i would be asked? |
| 16:38.03 | Barthezz | (the proposals cant be edited) |
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| 16:38.26 | summatusmentis | you mean something addtional to your app? |
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| 16:38.29 | kartik_rustagi | Barthezz: comments can be given |
| 16:38.59 | Barthezz | hmmmm Yes!!! I 've forgotten about the comments |
| 16:39.06 | Barthezz | thank U |
| 16:39.41 | Barthezz | summatusmentis, yep |
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| 16:42.43 | straszheim | I've blanked out on this one. Google will give orgs a list of specifically funded proposals, or they will give the org a number of funding slots to use as they wish? |
| 16:43.02 | borja | straszheim: the latter |
| 16:43.08 | straszheim | roger, thanks |
| 16:43.19 | borja | !slots |
| 16:43.19 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
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| 16:46.06 | ArthurLiu | 9:45AM in California.. When do we get our preliminary numbers again ? |
| 16:46.24 | summatusmentis | what? |
| 16:47.17 | summatusmentis | ArthurLiu: are you looking for http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/04/student-applications-for-google-summer.html ? |
| 16:47.23 | ArthurLiu | preliminary slots estimates per orgs |
| 16:47.30 | ArthurLiu | nah, something else |
| 16:47.31 | summatusmentis | oh, no |
| 16:47.42 | ArthurLiu | we're April 7th :) |
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| 16:48.20 | codelearner | !timeline |
| 16:48.20 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 16:52.53 | gigabytes | hello |
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| 16:53.19 | Barthezz | U are welcome |
| 16:53.22 | gigabytes | I've some questions about taxing with soc payment |
| 16:53.55 | gigabytes | if I get the job done i'll receive $4500, right? what do I have to do? I suppose they're not tax-free |
| 16:54.06 | gigabytes | or does google pay taxes for me? |
| 16:54.12 | gigabytes | i'm in italy |
| 16:54.38 | hypa7ia | gigabytes: you have to pay taxes locally, generally as a self-employed contractor type person. consult a tax professional |
| 16:54.41 | hypa7ia | :) |
| 16:54.53 | bobbens | if it's your only paying job you usually don't have to declare |
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| 16:55.16 | gigabytes | hypa7ia: tax professionals cost XD |
| 16:55.49 | gigabytes | bobbens: yes it's my only job and financially I'm over my parents |
| 16:56.15 | bobbens | so chances are you don't have to worry about it |
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| 16:56.20 | Corsix | consult your local laws; in the UK, you have a limit (somewhere around 5k GPB) which is taxfree |
| 16:56.25 | warren | lh: has there been any progress on Ryan Niebur? |
| 16:56.25 | hypa7ia | uh bobbens that's highly dependent on the country |
| 16:56.44 | bobbens | hypa7ia: I'm guessing italy is somewhat like spain |
| 16:56.47 | gigabytes | but I should ask to someone who knows for sure.. |
| 16:56.51 | bobbens | spain is like 10k |
| 16:56.54 | ajuonline | !lh |
| 16:56.55 | socinfo | "lh" is Leslie Hawthorn, Program Manager - Open Source; Geek Herder extraordinaire. This is who you turn to if you have very specific questions about GSoC whose answer applies only to you. |
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| 16:57.14 | ajuonline | WHO changed that! x-( |
| 16:57.23 | gigabytes | :P |
| 16:57.32 | gigabytes | lh: ping? |
| 16:57.34 | hypa7ia | bobbens: it's like 10k in canada too, but you still have to declare even if you're under |
| 16:57.51 | ajuonline | grumbles and gets back to work |
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| 16:58.04 | bobbens | hypa7ia: I don't :) |
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| 16:58.13 | bobbens | and in spain if you declare the government always tries to take money |
| 16:58.28 | bobbens | I mean they charge you like 30% taxes if you order something from out of spain |
| 16:58.36 | hypa7ia | here you just don't get taxed at all up to about 10k in income |
| 16:58.49 | hypa7ia | and you get tax rebates and stuff |
| 16:58.53 | gigabytes | well you're lucky hypa7ia XD |
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| 17:01.19 | shikhar | last year the timestamp changed if there was a private comment / ranking... any way we get to know this year? |
| 17:01.40 | codelearner | can one refuse the money ? |
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| 17:02.03 | codelearner | Like over a certain amount? |
| 17:02.23 | ArthurLiu | shikhar, ask your mentors ? :D |
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| 17:02.51 | shikhar | ArthurLiu: i would if the project in question was on irc :) |
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| 17:03.04 | borja | shikhar: also, you should be able to subscribe to changes in your proposal |
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| 17:03.23 | borja | shikhar: oh, wait, you mean *private* updates |
| 17:03.36 | borja | In that case, what ArthurLiu said :-) |
| 17:03.40 | shikhar | borja: ahan... just curious if theres been activity on it |
| 17:03.46 | ArthurLiu | bribe a mentor |
| 17:03.49 | shikhar | heh |
| 17:03.59 | codelearner | heh :D |
| 17:04.03 | hypa7ia | codelearner: that merits asking lh |
| 17:04.43 | codelearner | I mean the tax process is way compicated and time consuming, once i am in, I'll have to do each year :/ |
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| 17:05.23 | codelearner | *complicated |
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| 17:05.34 | holger_ | codelearner: welcome to real life ;) it's like shaving. you may not like it at first, but you get used to it. |
| 17:05.54 | lh | codelearner: wjhat's up? |
| 17:05.55 | ajuonline | codelearner: where are you from? |
| 17:06.50 | codelearner | lh : hi |
| 17:06.51 | ajuonline | shikhar: timestamp only changes, once you update the proposal. which you can not. not unless your mentor/admin wants you to. you can only exchange comments. that doesnt change the proposal and hence the timestamp, imo |
| 17:07.04 | lh | codelearner: you have a question? |
| 17:07.08 | codelearner | I am from india @ ajuonline |
| 17:07.31 | codelearner | yeah I wanted to know if anyone can refuse the money after a certain amount? |
| 17:07.44 | ajuonline | codelearner: you dont need to worry about your taxes. ask your dad/accountant. if you exceed the normal income limits, then only you need to pay taxes. |
| 17:07.49 | bobbens | codelearner: why would you do that? |
| 17:07.51 | venkat119 | !lh |
| 17:07.51 | socinfo | "lh" is Leslie Hawthorn, Program Manager - Open Source; Geek Herder extraordinaire. This is who you turn to if you have very specific questions about GSoC whose answer applies only to you. |
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| 17:08.29 | lh | codelearner: maybe? that's a lot of work for us. we can add funds to a payment card and you can just not collect them. why do you ask? |
| 17:08.51 | ajuonline | hugs lh |
| 17:09.06 | ajuonline | lh: whats up ? :D |
| 17:09.18 | lh | ajuonline: oh a little of this a little of that |
| 17:09.20 | lh | you? |
| 17:09.22 | codelearner | Well this is point less if I didn't get selected so chuck it, If it happens I'll see what is to be done, I asked coz i think tax process is complicated :) |
| 17:09.28 | ajuonline | lh: assignments and shit :P |
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| 17:10.11 | ajuonline | codelearner: tax process always is. again, this is a question you should be asking your accountant/tax advisor. |
| 17:10.38 | lh | codelearner: ok |
| 17:10.43 | lh | ajuonline: ah, assignments |
| 17:10.55 | ajuonline | codelearner: gor gsoc, you just need to fill in a single foreign tax student form. thats all Google asks you. its not complicated. |
| 17:11.30 | ajuonline | codelearner: you can talk to several of others on ##gsoc-india , on how did they handle it last year. |
| 17:11.33 | codelearner | yeah , that should ask my dad, but I'll tell him if I am selected otherwise this talk is pointless |
| 17:11.38 | ajuonline | codelearner: you are welcome. |
| 17:11.39 | codelearner | ok |
| 17:11.40 | ajuonline | goes afk |
| 17:11.40 | codelearner | :) |
| 17:12.00 | codelearner | thanks :) |
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| 17:12.43 | harlan | arma: ping |
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| 17:21.41 | kblin | lh: morning :) |
| 17:21.52 | lh | kblin: and to thee |
| 17:22.13 | kblin | lh: you need the requested slot counts today, right? |
| 17:22.21 | lh | kblin: by wednesday |
| 17:22.22 | lh | :) |
| 17:22.41 | kblin | ah, good |
| 17:23.00 | kblin | I'm still chasing some mentors :) |
| 17:23.19 | lh | cool, we've got a bit of time |
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| 17:24.44 | kblin | I'm really happy on how things worked out so far |
| 17:24.53 | no_mind | anyone from osm ? |
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| 17:28.16 | venkat119 | lh:slots allocated for the mentoring orgs??? |
| 17:28.32 | lh | venkat119: yes, we do preliminary allocations then finalize them |
| 17:28.50 | venkat119 | kk..thnx |
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| 17:30.16 | venkat119 | lh:no of slots allocated is based on the applications received by that org..rite? |
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| 17:30.34 | dhaun | !slots |
| 17:30.35 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 17:30.41 | lh | venkat119: ^^ |
| 17:31.29 | amolgupta | anyone applying for tikiwiki? |
| 17:32.12 | kblin | hey SRabbelier |
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| 17:32.21 | SRabbelier | kblin: oi :) |
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| 17:34.12 | kblin | SRabbelier: melange still didn't blow up. I'm amazed :) |
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| 17:34.55 | SRabbelier | kblin: it will in a bit when we have to do slot allocations :P |
| 17:35.13 | Corsix | got to love confidence from the developers |
| 17:35.50 | ThomasWaldmann | kblin: hehe |
| 17:36.11 | kblin | SRabbelier: ah, right |
| 17:36.21 | kblin | SRabbelier: as long as it doesn't do the 2006 thing |
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| 17:36.40 | kblin | that's probably the worst-case scenario |
| 17:36.41 | SRabbelier | kblin: what was that? :P |
| 17:37.04 | kblin | send out "congratulations, you're accepted" emails to everybody |
| 17:37.20 | devvrat | heh |
| 17:37.20 | SRabbelier | kblin: lol, I totally see that happeneing :P |
| 17:37.44 | kblin | devvrat: wasn't too funny back then |
| 17:37.56 | no_mind | SRabbelier: I think mealnge will blow up when the time comes to announce this years accepted applications :) |
| 17:38.17 | kblin | at least I'd hate having to send "whoops, you're out, never mind the old mail" to 1300 people |
| 17:38.35 | SRabbelier | kblin: indeed |
| 17:38.46 | devvrat | kblin: that was for previous msg..sorry for the confusion :) |
| 17:38.46 | Corsix | only it would be to 2500 people |
| 17:38.59 | kblin | hm? |
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| 17:39.08 | kblin | !numapps |
| 17:39.08 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
| 17:39.12 | Corsix | I thought it was 3500 students for 1000 places? |
| 17:39.14 | kblin | oh, right |
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| 17:39.55 | kblin | SRabbelier: just a little horror scenario to remind people of when they claim the old webapp was so much better |
| 17:40.16 | SRabbelier | kblin: eheh... so what do we say if our app does the same? |
| 17:40.26 | SRabbelier | kblin: or doesn't send out mails at all due to an undocumented AppEngine error? |
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| 17:41.33 | kblin | SRabbelier: I'm sort of hoping that you have tests for this stuff |
| 17:41.45 | SRabbelier | kblin: yeah, right ;D |
| 17:41.49 | kblin | SRabbelier: but "not send out emails at all" isn't too bad |
| 17:41.57 | SRabbelier | kblin: we do manual tests :D |
| 17:42.05 | SRabbelier | kblin: but, hope is at the horizon |
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| 17:42.17 | SRabbelier | kblin: we have a number of GSoC applicants that offer to help us with the test suite :D |
| 17:42.56 | kblin | a bit late for 2009, though |
| 17:43.41 | SRabbelier | kblin: s/a bit// |
| 17:44.08 | SRabbelier | or maybe s/a bit/too/ would be better |
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| 17:44.30 | kblin | you're not letting the students work on the live system, are you? ;) |
| 17:45.28 | kblin | I totally see student joehacker build a if link_id == "joehacker": succeed() routine |
| 17:45.31 | ArthurLiu | kblin, and manage to slip in code to get them automatically accepted ? |
| 17:45.36 | ArthurLiu | :) |
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| 17:46.57 | SRabbelier | kblin: heh, they wish :) |
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| 18:02.24 | anothy_x | did we get the "students can edit" checkbox? |
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| 18:05.08 | lh | anothy_x: ask in #melange |
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| 18:05.20 | lh | anothy_x: i dont believe so though, as i haven't seen an update to the release notes |
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| 18:06.07 | nsquare | anothy_x: you can always comment on your own proposal :) |
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| 18:16.06 | casinaroyale | hey all |
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| 18:16.35 | nsquare | hi casinaroyale |
| 18:16.47 | anduril | hi |
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| 18:21.50 | anduril | !timeline |
| 18:21.51 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 18:22.30 | socinfo | Error: "mumapps" is not a valid command. |
| 18:22.43 | anduril | !numapps |
| 18:22.44 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
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| 18:24.09 | anduril | !advice |
| 18:24.10 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 19:13.41 | codestr0m | there was a mentor's faq about requesting slots in connection to rating students apps.. I can't find the email/link.. |
| 19:14.41 | smtms | codestr0m, are you a mentor? |
| 19:15.06 | l0nwlf | smtms: yeah , he is |
| 19:15.48 | smtms | l0nwlf, which org? |
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| 19:16.32 | l0nwlf | Open64 |
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| 19:37.06 | MatthewWilkes | !next |
| 19:37.07 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 19:40.25 | brlcad | wonders if anyone remembers how many mentor organization applied this year? |
| 19:40.36 | summatusmentis | !numapps |
| 19:40.36 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
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| 19:41.06 | brlcad | thanks summatusmentis! |
| 19:41.07 | ajuonline | brion: ^ |
| 19:41.13 | ajuonline | oops sorry brion :D |
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| 19:41.19 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: fail |
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| 19:41.22 | ajuonline | ^5's MatthewWilkes |
| 19:41.28 | summatusmentis | brlcad: not me, teh bot |
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| 19:41.30 | brion | :D |
| 19:41.43 | MatthewWilkes | ajuonline! |
| 19:41.58 | brlcad | summatusmentis: the bot's information is useless to me with you in this situation ;) |
| 19:42.03 | ajuonline | MatthewWilkes: how are you? you had a *something* today :/ |
| 19:42.04 | ajuonline | right? |
| 19:42.06 | brlcad | s/with/without/! bah |
| 19:42.14 | summatusmentis | brlcad: I suppose so :) |
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| 19:42.49 | ajuonline | ok now I should really be nice to my lecturers, and do my assignments :D |
| 19:42.54 | summatusmentis | lies |
| 19:42.55 | ajuonline | goes |
| 19:43.09 | brlcad | lh: neat review/interview with jennifer liu |
| 19:44.04 | MatthewWilkes | ajuonline: I was doing consultancy/training today, fun but tough day |
| 19:44.49 | lh | brlcad: pardon? |
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| 19:45.14 | ajuonline | lh: the video, for SoC 09. |
| 19:45.22 | brlcad | lh: you being interviewed |
| 19:45.25 | ajuonline | MatthewWilkes: great! :D |
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| 19:45.29 | MatthewWilkes | The vid on the google code blog from the day after mentoring orgs were announced |
| 19:45.56 | lh | ajuonline: ah got it |
| 19:45.57 | lh | brlcad: thanks |
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| 19:46.13 | lh | brlcad: stephanie liu (that's why i was confused) |
| 19:46.19 | brlcad | ahhh, my bad |
| 19:46.25 | summatusmentis | haha |
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| 19:46.36 | ajuonline | lh: i saw your pic wearing the "sahana" tee :P from mentor summit 07, awesome! |
| 19:47.06 | lh | ajuonline: thanks :) |
| 19:47.16 | lh | brlcad: all good. :) |
| 19:48.08 | summatusmentis | hello lh, btw |
| 19:49.09 | lh | summatusmentis: greets :) |
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| 19:49.28 | ajuonline | too much of the fail whale today on twitter |
| 19:49.30 | summatusmentis | how's your life? |
| 19:50.12 | ajuonline | compared to the fail whale? |
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| 19:51.00 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: not you! :-P |
| 19:51.08 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: <3 |
| 19:51.14 | ajuonline | :P |
| 19:54.31 | lh | summatusmentis: i need sleep. :p |
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| 19:55.08 | summatusmentis | lh: don't we all :) |
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| 19:55.49 | lh | summatusmentis: true that. |
| 19:56.18 | summatusmentis | I suppose it's your busy season |
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| 19:58.50 | lh | summatusmentis: a bit yes :) |
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| 20:00.55 | Landon | http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1190837&cid=27490873 :D |
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| 20:02.53 | summatusmentis | LANDON READS SLASHDOT!!! |
| 20:02.58 | Landon | WHO? |
| 20:03.02 | Landon | WHO READS SLASHDOT? |
| 20:03.03 | Landon | WHERE? |
| 20:03.06 | Landon | LETS OSTRACIZE THEM |
| 20:03.18 | summatusmentis | RIGHT THERE! |
| 20:03.23 | Landon | ö |
| 20:03.27 | Landon | Ã |
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| 20:03.35 | Landon | ^ hah |
| 20:04.14 | MatthewWilkes | I was discussing /. the other day with a friend, we are considering founding soliduspoint to act as an up-market, british slashdot |
| 20:04.16 | summatusmentis | oooh, harsh |
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| 20:04.27 | Landon | I like slashdot |
| 20:04.32 | Landon | I read it for the comments though |
| 20:04.52 | MatthewWilkes | read slashdot once, in college, but didn't inhale |
| 20:05.07 | summatusmentis | well what's the point if you're not inhaling? |
| 20:05.14 | summatusmentis | Yeah, I inhaled, that was the point |
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| 20:05.19 | t0ms | good night :) |
| 20:06.25 | Landon | reading this caffeine story makes me glad I don't drink much coffee :p |
| 20:06.26 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: I'm sure I don't know what you mean ;) |
| 20:06.30 | Landon | or pop |
| 20:06.41 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: :-D |
| 20:06.52 | summatusmentis | Landon: irony: I'm sitting here drinking coffee |
| 20:06.56 | Landon | heh |
| 20:06.59 | Landon | I haven't had coffee in months |
| 20:07.17 | Corsix | I don't like coffee, or tea |
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| 20:07.18 | summatusmentis | stabs his own face |
| 20:07.20 | Landon | most caffeine I get each day is from my hot cocoa |
| 20:07.25 | summatusmentis | that's not irony, that's coincedence |
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| 20:07.38 | summatusmentis | Corsix: I like tea better than coffee, but not as much caffeine |
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| 20:07.58 | MatthewWilkes | had 8 cups of tea today - it was a good day |
| 20:08.03 | Landon | o.O |
| 20:08.08 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: that's so much! |
| 20:08.17 | WinterMute | heh |
| 20:08.18 | MatthewWilkes | I'm british! |
| 20:08.27 | Corsix | So am I, but I had zero tea |
| 20:08.32 | WinterMute | usually has 8 cups of tea by lunchtime |
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| 20:08.49 | WinterMute | is Irish though, we do like our tea |
| 20:08.58 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: I'm neither, and I generally have 3 or 4 |
| 20:09.27 | MatthewWilkes | WinterMute: Well, aren't you superior! |
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| 20:10.13 | p_l | Landon: the thing is, cocoa has very little caffeince. However, it got a much stronger drug (fortunately in small quantities) :-) |
| 20:10.15 | WinterMute | if you say so :p |
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| 20:11.11 | Landon | p_l: tell me more :D |
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| 20:13.00 | p_l | Landon: Just drop into wikipedia and load up n info. I've got Babylon 5 to watch :D |
| 20:15.15 | summatusmentis | !timeline |
| 20:15.15 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 20:45.16 | nejucomo | Hi, when I attempt to sign up as a mentor, gsochop says I need to create a profile, and when I do that, it asks for a link id. What is a link id and where do I find mine? |
| 20:45.24 | nejucomo | -and where is the documentation that explains this? |
| 20:45.26 | hypa7ia | nejucomo: you pick one |
| 20:45.30 | hypa7ia | it's like a username |
| 20:45.40 | nejucomo | Oh, ok. |
| 20:45.44 | summatusmentis | link id is the id that the system knows you by |
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| 20:46.25 | nejucomo | Oh, I now see that when I click on that field (which I normally do not do because I use the keyboard) a popup window appears which explains this. |
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| 20:49.56 | nejucomo | I recommend that the site designers place crucial documentation directly on the page, rather than in a popup. I never saw the popup until now, even though I went to that site multiple times. |
| 20:49.56 | zooko | The pop-up doesn't appear if you tab into the field, does it? I had that same problem. |
| 20:50.03 | zooko | By the way, the folks to say that to are #melange. |
| 20:50.03 | nejucomo | No, it does not. |
| 20:50.09 | nejucomo | Ok |
| 20:50.14 | zooko | melange is the web app software in which gsoc web app is written. |
| 20:50.27 | nejucomo | I'll go bug them. ;-) |
| 20:50.33 | smtms | melange is the gsoc webapp |
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| 20:52.31 | nejucomo | I see. |
| 20:53.21 | nejucomo | Thanks for the help. |
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| 20:58.49 | araujo | hello |
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| 20:59.16 | summatusmentis | hi araujo |
| 20:59.50 | araujo | hola summatusmentis |
| 20:59.53 | araujo | how it goes? |
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| 21:02.14 | Remoun | Quick question: Aren't proposals supposed to be editable at this point? |
| 21:02.38 | Corsix | no? |
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| 21:02.51 | Corsix | now is the time for them to be reviewed and ranked by mentors |
| 21:02.52 | smtms | why deadline for submitting and then unlimited editing? |
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| 21:03.24 | saing | http://crazytuga.mybrute.com <-- BE A BRUTE AND CHALLENGE ME IN THIS FUNNY GAME :P |
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| 21:03.49 | summatusmentis | araujo: mostly ok, working on the patch for my org |
| 21:03.50 | smtms | quick reaction! |
| 21:04.08 | lh | smtms: because it is ok to revise your ideas - sw design is an iterative process - but you need to get a propsoal in on time |
| 21:04.20 | araujo | summatusmentis, sounds fun |
| 21:04.32 | araujo | lh, hola amiga :) |
| 21:04.34 | smtms | lh, you mean editing proposals is allowed? |
| 21:04.53 | lh | araujo: hola |
| 21:05.12 | lh | smtms: it should have been enabled, in the latest release, provided a mentor allows you to do so |
| 21:05.14 | kblin | SRabbelier: hey, I like that additional mentor line, thanks |
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| 21:05.21 | lh | haven't had time to verify that is happening yet, so you can check |
| 21:05.23 | kblin | !timeline |
| 21:05.23 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 21:05.24 | SRabbelier | kblin: great :) |
| 21:05.38 | Remoun | I actually need to fill in more details on my (last-minute) application :-) |
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| 21:06.17 | summatusmentis | araujo: it's mostly ok, sort of frustrating |
| 21:06.21 | summatusmentis | but meh |
| 21:06.29 | araujo | summatusmentis, how so?, why? |
| 21:06.36 | eean | ranking as 2 isn't working for us |
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| 21:06.42 | eean | (us == kde) |
| 21:06.49 | eean | it just gives it the same score as if we ranked as 1 |
| 21:07.03 | lh | eean: do you mean you assign an application as rank 2 and it does not move to the #2 position in your list? |
| 21:07.07 | lh | eean: and is a mentor assigned? |
| 21:07.38 | eean | yes and yes and yes |
| 21:07.44 | summatusmentis | araujo: just because I'm bogging myself down in details |
| 21:07.45 | eean | it gives it a rank 1 |
| 21:08.17 | eean | I think its because score and rank are the same thing apparently |
| 21:08.27 | eean | would have to give it a rank of 28 to give a rank of 2 :) |
| 21:08.28 | araujo | summatusmentis, what kind of patch is it?, bug fix or new feature? |
| 21:08.35 | araujo | or both |
| 21:08.59 | SRabbelier | eean: the ranks are full-opints only |
| 21:09.06 | SRabbelier | eean: so if your top-N all has the same score |
| 21:09.15 | SRabbelier | eean: you will need to give extra points to those that you want to accept |
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| 21:09.35 | eean | we have about 35 that we want to be rank 1 and 13 that we want to give rank 2 |
| 21:09.37 | summatusmentis | araujo: it's "prove you're competent, can use a toolchain, and understand our codebase" |
| 21:09.44 | eean | just temporarily to prepare for tomorrow |
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| 21:10.01 | araujo | summatusmentis, oh i get it |
| 21:10.04 | summatusmentis | yeah |
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| 21:10.26 | Remoun | lh: Shouldn't proposals be editable? |
| 21:11.01 | eean | SRabbelier: is there a way to do this you think? |
| 21:11.01 | lh | Remoun: if a mentor gives you access and if that made it into the latest release, which i think it did but have not had time to verify |
| 21:11.04 | araujo | summatusmentis, code in what language? |
| 21:11.20 | SRabbelier | eean: what you could do, is give the top #1 a +1 |
| 21:11.28 | SRabbelier | eean: and then set the rank for the rest of the ones you want ot 1 |
| 21:11.38 | summatusmentis | araujo: C, kernel code |
| 21:11.39 | SRabbelier | eean: it should put it on the same score as the other #1 |
| 21:11.40 | eean | SRabbelier: I had assumed that rank was seperate from rank, but apparently rank isn't a stored value :( |
| 21:11.46 | araujo | summatusmentis, nice |
| 21:11.52 | eean | erm |
| 21:11.56 | eean | score was seperate from rank |
| 21:11.57 | araujo | off to get some food, brb |
| 21:12.05 | SRabbelier | eean: correct |
| 21:12.13 | eean | usability fail :) |
| 21:12.44 | eean | at least the app last year didn't lie to us. though having to go +4 +4 +4 repeatedly did get old. |
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| 21:14.15 | aluink | do the mentoring organizations know how many slots they have now? or are they told later |
| 21:14.39 | aluink | i heard they only rank the proposals, and google will give them the top n proposals on the 20th |
| 21:15.13 | harlan | I understand we rank proposals and then we get slots on the 20th. |
| 21:15.13 | Catfish_Man | later |
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| 21:15.39 | eean | google is going to give us an estimate |
| 21:15.48 | aluink | huh, that's interesting, wonder why it's done that way |
| 21:16.27 | eean | imagine projects like kde ;) |
| 21:16.43 | eean | knowing where the cut off is is critical |
| 21:16.48 | summatusmentis | really? timeline says accepted proposals are announced on the 20th? |
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| 21:17.09 | hypa7ia | i thought we'd find out about slots earlier than that |
| 21:17.17 | harlan | no, *slots* are announced on the 20th. I think. |
| 21:17.24 | lh | ok |
| 21:17.25 | lh | so |
| 21:17.28 | summatusmentis | not according to the timeline harlan |
| 21:17.35 | harlan | ok, so much for me. |
| 21:17.45 | kblin | !timeline |
| 21:17.46 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 21:17.48 | kblin | ^^^^ |
| 21:17.49 | lh | digs for relevant threads on mentors list |
| 21:17.52 | kblin | it's all there |
| 21:17.53 | summatusmentis | maybe timeline changed? |
| 21:17.55 | summatusmentis | or something |
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| 21:18.03 | kblin | sighs |
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| 21:18.20 | kblin | harlan: read the mailing list again |
| 21:18.29 | harlan | 'k, thanks, and sorry... |
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| 21:19.21 | solo | no is reviewing my application that was for boost c++ why is it so? |
| 21:19.30 | lh | socinfo: learn allocationtiming as http://tinyurl.com/cnpxkp (if you are not subbed to the mentors mailing list, you cannot see this link) |
| 21:19.31 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 21:19.36 | summatusmentis | solo: ask your mentor |
| 21:19.44 | summatusmentis | s/mentor/org |
| 21:19.51 | summatusmentis | s/mentor/org/ * |
| 21:19.57 | solo | ok |
| 21:20.33 | lh | socinfo: learn duplicates as http://tinyurl.com/deazsm (if you are not subbed to the mentors mailing list, you cannot see this link) |
| 21:20.34 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 21:20.54 | lh | so we will publish *preliminary* slot allocations to orgs on thursday |
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| 21:21.18 | eean | thinks rank is a very destructive feature :( |
| 21:21.36 | kblin | eean: what's the issue with the rank again? |
| 21:21.37 | lh | republishing them periodically (likely once per day) and then turn on duplicate detection logic on monday |
| 21:21.51 | eean | kblin: it just forces a score change. |
| 21:22.04 | eean | score was how we were keeping track of the overall community's vote |
| 21:22.09 | eean | now that is mostly lost |
| 21:22.28 | SRabbelier | eean: it's supposed to be |
| 21:22.31 | SRabbelier | eean: :-/ |
| 21:22.48 | SRabbelier | eean: besides, the votes are still in the comments |
| 21:22.54 | eean | it should be called "Force score change to give it a rank of:" |
| 21:22.59 | eean | yea its still there |
| 21:23.03 | kblin | eean: whoops |
| 21:23.05 | kblin | whoa |
| 21:23.27 | kblin | SRabbelier: the new default of the comments being public is nasty |
| 21:23.35 | SRabbelier | kblin: -_-" |
| 21:23.36 | SRabbelier | ffs |
| 21:23.39 | SRabbelier | people |
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| 21:23.44 | kblin | I was used to my comments being private :) |
| 21:23.51 | SRabbelier | is it _EVER_ good enough? |
| 21:23.59 | SRabbelier | kblin: *kicks* :P |
| 21:24.04 | kblin | SRabbelier: I mean the general selection thing is nice |
| 21:24.09 | SRabbelier | kblin: it's even color coded! |
| 21:24.16 | kblin | it wasn't before |
| 21:24.26 | SRabbelier | kblin: it is now :P |
| 21:24.40 | kblin | I'm very sorry that I can't guess new functionality by color |
| 21:25.02 | kblin | it's not obvious that green means "the student will get to read this" |
| 21:25.46 | SRabbelier | kblin: no I mean |
| 21:25.47 | lh | i'll be updating the documentation, just haven't had time to do it yet |
| 21:25.49 | SRabbelier | kblin: the different colors |
| 21:26.01 | SRabbelier | kblin: in combination with the fact that it now says "Comment will be visible by student" ors omething like that |
| 21:26.07 | kblin | yeah |
| 21:26.10 | kblin | okok |
| 21:26.44 | kblin | all I'm saying is I was used to melange keeping my comments private if I didn't do anything special |
| 21:26.57 | kblin | now they're public if I don't do anything special |
| 21:27.43 | kblin | so while a few hours ago I didn't have to do anything extra to leave a comment for other mentors, I now have to |
| 21:27.50 | kblin | which almost got me |
| 21:27.55 | harlan | yeah, that snuck up on me, too. But it was for a comment I wanted to be public. |
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| 21:28.39 | kblin | and let's face it, there _are_ comments you don't want the students to see just now to keep the whole thing fair |
| 21:28.54 | schumaml | was this announced on the soc lists? |
| 21:29.11 | kblin | not that I'd have seen |
| 21:29.12 | SRabbelier | kblin: mhhhh, I guess you should go whine at mithro :P |
| 21:29.16 | SRabbelier | kblin: he chagned the default ;) |
| 21:29.29 | kblin | mithro: whaaa! |
| 21:30.03 | harlan | lh: how much work will there be for project admins and mentors between the evening (PxT) of the 15th and sunday night the 19th? I may be in a seminar that entire time, with very limited 'net access. |
| 21:30.12 | harlan | I have read the timeline... |
| 21:30.51 | lh | harlan: duplicate resolution meeting happens on the 15th and someone will need to be there for it |
| 21:31.05 | schumaml | btw, are there any greasemonkey scripts yet to make the webapp usable? ;) |
| 21:31.18 | kblin | SRabbelier: but I guess I shouldn't complain too much.. after all it's Google Summer of Code (beta) ;) |
| 21:31.21 | MatthewWilkes | slaps schumaml |
| 21:31.34 | lh | schumaml: patches welcome sir. |
| 21:31.44 | harlan | OK, but that is midnight between the 14th and 15th, PDT, right? |
| 21:31.54 | SRabbelier | kblin: ehheeh :P |
| 21:32.06 | lh | harlan: no we will schedule that meeting later. timing tbd. mentors need to be assigned by 0:00 PDT on the 14th |
| 21:32.12 | lh | 15th divide |
| 21:32.15 | SRabbelier | schumaml: please, do offer constructive critism or keep your peace :) |
| 21:32.23 | lh | code is also nice. |
| 21:32.38 | schumaml | SRabbelier: sorting |
| 21:32.44 | kblin | lh: patches are a form of contructive criticism |
| 21:32.56 | harlan | OK, thanks. This could be interesting, depending on Real Life. |
| 21:33.04 | zooko | kblin: nicely put. |
| 21:33.10 | schumaml | would be nice if it were there by default, but I could imagine that someone created a script, too |
| 21:33.33 | lh | kblin: agreed. |
| 21:34.02 | Mek | schumaml: how could someone create a script if you can't even see all proposals at once when there are more than 100? :) |
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| 21:34.52 | harlan | arma: ping |
| 21:34.57 | jenred | sorry if I missed this already, but is there a list somewhere of the new features/UI changes rolled into the latest release of Melange so I can educate my fellow project admins/mentors? |
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| 21:35.27 | harlan | Any Tor mentors around? |
| 21:35.36 | rkatiyar_ | aha |
| 21:35.40 | summatusmentis | !anyone |
| 21:35.40 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 21:35.40 | harlan | or Tor project admins? |
| 21:35.54 | harlan | yeah, I've tried that too. |
| 21:36.01 | lh | jenred: http://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/ChangeLog |
| 21:36.15 | lh | jenred: will be updating the user guide to match reality later today |
| 21:36.40 | jenred | thanks lh |
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| 21:37.39 | harlan | tries another email address for the tor folks |
| 21:37.41 | lh | jenred: np |
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| 21:53.48 | ajuonline | when are the prelim slots to be announced? |
| 21:54.09 | ArthurLiu | Can we haz sloats counts ? :D |
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| 21:54.54 | Landon | im in ur local ospo, eetin ur slots |
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| 22:00.15 | lh | !allocations |
| 22:00.16 | socinfo | "allocations" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 22:00.31 | lh | how do i get a list of socinfo commands? |
| 22:00.46 | ArthurLiu | dictionnary attack ? |
| 22:01.06 | Remoun | !help |
| 22:01.06 | socinfo | "help" is see !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki |
| 22:01.24 | scorche | lh: you dont really...what are you looking for? |
| 22:01.25 | Remoun | Nah, that would be _easy_ |
| 22:01.45 | SRabbelier | socinfo: search * |
| 22:01.46 | socinfo | There were no matching configuration variables. |
| 22:01.52 | lh | scrolls up |
| 22:01.57 | lh | !allocationtiming |
| 22:01.58 | socinfo | "allocationtiming" is http://tinyurl.com/cnpxkp (if you are not subbed to the mentors mailing list, you cannot see this link) |
| 22:01.59 | SRabbelier | socinfo: search factoids * |
| 22:02.00 | socinfo | (search <word>) -- Searches for <word> in the current configuration variables. |
| 22:02.02 | lh | !duplicates |
| 22:02.03 | socinfo | "duplicates" is http://tinyurl.com/deazsm (if you are not subbed to the mentors mailing list, you cannot see this link) |
| 22:02.05 | SRabbelier | socinfo: factoids * |
| 22:02.05 | socinfo | Error: The "Factoids" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "*" in it. Try "list Factoids" to see the commands in the "Factoids" plugin. |
| 22:02.06 | lh | ay |
| 22:02.08 | lh | yay |
| 22:02.10 | SRabbelier | socinfo: factoids search * |
| 22:02.10 | socinfo | 'soc', 'support', 'answer', 'soc2007', 'soc2006', 'soc2005', 'advice', 'objective', 'piracy', 'webapp', 'offtopic', 'yes', 'python', 'haha', 'sample', 'soc2008', 'ghop', 'tea', 'odds', 'log', 'dunno', 'relax', 'melange', 'blog', 'swag', 'notapply', 'when', 'thanks', 'socinfo', 'faq', 'orgcriteria', 'login', 'logs', 'bug', '18', 'botsnack', 'google', 'userguide', 'cheese', 'numapps', 'timeline', 'bugs', (2 more messages) |
| 22:02.14 | SRabbelier | socinfo: !more |
| 22:02.14 | socinfo | Error: "!more" is not a valid command. |
| 22:02.17 | SRabbelier | socinfo: more |
| 22:02.17 | socinfo | 'features', 'dontcry', 'cake', 'whynot', 'orglist', 'whytwolists', 'read', 'orgs', 'rejected', 'orgbylang', 'orgbylocation', 'orgbyloc', 'orgsbylang', 'allocations', 'peak', 'orgsbycat', 'orgbycat', 'stats', 'topic', 'ubuntu', 'security', 'wiki', 'ponies', 'what', 'wtf', 'eoa', 'askyourorg', 'eligible', 'noorg', 'lowerascii', 'doitanyway', 'slots', 'srabbelier', 'anyone', 'logo', 'help', 'time', 'ask', (1 more message) |
| 22:02.18 | SRabbelier | socinfo: more |
| 22:02.19 | socinfo | 'tracker', 'around', 'lh', 'deadline', 'extension', 'notme', 'next', 'edit', 'multiple', 'allocationtiming', and 'duplicates' |
| 22:02.24 | SRabbelier | lh: there you go :P |
| 22:02.32 | lh | SRabbelier: yay |
| 22:02.34 | lh | danke |
| 22:02.37 | Landon | !ponies |
| 22:02.37 | socinfo | "ponies" is hooray! |
| 22:02.39 | scorche | lh: you can search the factoids by PMing the bot and typing "search factoids #gsoc --values blahandialreadyseethatsverre is ahead of me |
| 22:02.39 | Landon | hehe |
| 22:02.50 | nsquare | !whynot |
| 22:02.51 | socinfo | "whynot" is lh will respond to questions about why your org didn't get in later. |
| 22:02.58 | nsquare | hehe |
| 22:03.06 | zooko | !dontcry |
| 22:03.06 | socinfo | "dontcry" is (#1) don't take not getting into gsoc personally., or (#2) there is infrastructure in place to run your own gsoc like program, so if you really want to mentor students and bring new folks in, just go do it. google summer of code is awesome but it is not the be all end all of existence., or (#3) mentoring is really hard work., or (#4) Here. Have a cookie. We still love you. |
| 22:03.08 | SRabbelier | scorche :P |
| 22:03.13 | ajuonline | !wtf |
| 22:03.13 | socinfo | "wtf" is (literally) What The Fuck , means we have *really* no idea what the heck you are talking about. Further explanations are urgently needed. |
| 22:03.22 | ajuonline | :O |
| 22:03.32 | scorche | guys...if you want to playu with the bot, do it in PM please |
| 22:03.35 | zooko | I thought it stood for "What The Frotz"? |
| 22:03.56 | macduy | that was inevitable.. |
| 22:03.59 | nsquare | !haha |
| 22:04.00 | socinfo | "haha" is meant for slashdot, not for gsoc. Repeated attempts at derailing a conversation will not result in a +5 funny, but a +q silenced. |
| 22:04.13 | Catfish_Man | +q silenced IS +5 funny though |
| 22:04.31 | scorche | glares at nsquare |
| 22:04.57 | Corsix | and how do you make socinfo spit out #gsoc factoids in PM? |
| 22:05.06 | nsquare | was just about to run another command :P |
| 22:05.09 | ArthurLiu | California is lagging, it's already Wednesday, April 8th here :) |
| 22:05.15 | scorche | Corsix: whatis #gsoc factoid |
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| 22:05.29 | Corsix | ah, thanks |
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| 22:07.29 | ArthurLiu | oh, it's "Thursday, April 9th" actually |
| 22:07.31 | ArthurLiu | DOH! |
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| 22:09.21 | harlan | How is an "Admin Comment" different from a "Private Comment"? |
| 22:09.41 | ArthurLiu | harlan, only admin visible I suppose |
| 22:09.58 | harlan | I suppose so too, but I wanted to be sure! |
| 22:10.21 | ArthurLiu | say nasty things about your mentors and see if they react |
| 22:10.33 | kblin | harlan: it's got the "assign mentor" field and stuff |
| 22:10.34 | harlan | I have mellow mentors. |
| 22:10.44 | harlan | cool - I was wondering where that went. |
| 22:10.47 | harlan | thanks, kblin |
| 22:10.50 | kblin | ArthurLiu: way to go :) |
| 22:10.58 | ArthurLiu | :] |
| 22:11.12 | kblin | harlan: I was looking for it myself some minutes ago, happy to help :) |
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| 22:16.02 | SRabbelier | harlan: only difference is that you can set assigned metnor and rank from admin comment |
| 22:16.39 | ArthurLiu | SRabbelier, isn't that counter-intuitive ? |
| 22:16.49 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: again, blame mithro |
| 22:16.51 | harlan | so mentors can see admin comments then? |
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| 22:16.57 | SRabbelier | harlan: yes |
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| 22:17.05 | harlan | works for me - thanks! |
| 22:17.12 | SRabbelier | harlan: I guess it should be named "Mentor Comment (with admin options)" or something |
| 22:17.34 | X-Istence | Wow, the bot supposedly has never seen me in this channel before :/ |
| 22:17.36 | harlan | but only admins see that choice, right? |
| 22:17.58 | scorche | X-Istence: durinbot only cares about you when you join |
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| 22:18.04 | ArthurLiu | SRabbelier, it should be "admin actions" and hide the TinyMCE box |
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| 22:18.15 | SRabbelier | harlan: correct |
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| 22:18.25 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: mhhhh.... |
| 22:18.29 | harlan | ok, thanks SRabbelier |
| 22:18.30 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: yeah, I guess |
| 22:18.45 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: please create a http://tinyurl.com/new-issue for that |
| 22:18.46 | x58 | scorche: Yeah, and someone had stolen my nickname. |
| 22:18.56 | x58 | How do I tell Nickserv to protect it for me? |
| 22:19.05 | ArthurLiu | x58, /msg nickserv help |
| 22:20.05 | x58 | ArthurLiu: Yeah yeah, I was getting there. |
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| 23:15.44 | ArthurLiu | MAX_INT |
| 23:16.24 | ajuonline | void main() |
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| 23:17.03 | MatthewWilkes | unsigned long long foo = -1; |
| 23:17.40 | codelearner | #define EVERYTHING |
| 23:18.10 | codelearner | <quit/> |
| 23:18.14 | Corsix | why are we pasting random C code? |
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| 23:18.33 | ajuonline | we got no better thing to do |
| 23:19.16 | ninadsp | void we_are_bored() |
| 23:19.19 | ajuonline | i think i am high on coffee |
| 23:19.34 | ninadsp | ajuonline: hi! |
| 23:19.43 | ajuonline | ho! |
| 23:20.24 | ninadsp | ajuonline: do we stau here and trouble people or move to #gsoc-india? where people are sleeping? |
| 23:20.30 | ninadsp | s/stau/stay/ |
| 23:20.58 | rolly1975 | arrggh |
| 23:21.02 | rolly1975 | i hate melange |
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| 23:21.33 | rolly1975 | its so half-baked |
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| 23:24.47 | ojwb | it's about as baked as the old webapp |
| 23:24.57 | ojwb | but at least you can fix this one |
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| 23:31.52 | lh | rolly1975: patches welcome my friend |
| 23:33.15 | ajuonline | #melange wrongs. #patchs welcome. its #foss |
| 23:33.18 | ajuonline | lol :P |
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| 23:43.08 | lh | socinfo: more |
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| 23:43.09 | socinfo | Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick. |
| 23:43.20 | lh | !allocations |
| 23:43.21 | socinfo | "allocations" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
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| 23:46.21 | disismt | hi allocations done? |
| 23:46.39 | lh | disismt: !allocationtiming |
| 23:46.45 | lh | !allocationtiming |
| 23:46.45 | socinfo | "allocationtiming" is http://tinyurl.com/cnpxkp (if you are not subbed to the mentors mailing list, you cannot see this link) |
| 23:46.49 | lh | there you go |
| 23:46.52 | lh | heads out for the day |
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| 23:56.12 | LAZy_BOy | !next |
| 23:56.13 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 23:56.41 | AkaZn | !help |
| 23:56.41 | socinfo | "help" is see !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki |
| 23:56.53 | AkaZn | !advice |
| 23:56.53 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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