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| 00:17.57 | cmwslw | Why do you have to be 18 to participate in GSOC? |
| 00:18.08 | Turuk | Legal reasons. |
| 00:19.21 | phrame | Turuk: Why doesn't the same rule apply to mentors? |
| 00:19.36 | Catfish_Man | google doesn't enter a contractual agreement with individual mentors |
| 00:19.57 | phrame | Mm. |
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| 00:20.38 | ojwb | mentors aren't necessarily paid - the org is and it's up to them what they do with the money |
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| 00:21.50 | Corsix | are mentors then flown in for the mentors summit? or are they merely invited to the summit? |
| 00:21.58 | Catfish_Man | invited |
| 00:22.17 | cmwslw | Well it stinks that I'll have to wait 4 years, but GSOC looks like a lot of fun once I turn 18 |
| 00:22.21 | ojwb | google will pay up to X towards airfares |
| 00:22.35 | Corsix | cmwslw: Participate in GHOP then |
| 00:22.44 | ojwb | where X will generally cover it |
| 00:22.45 | Corsix | I did, and I'm very glad that I did |
| 00:24.05 | cmwslw | That looks neat |
| 00:24.11 | cmwslw | thanks for the tip! |
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| 00:26.21 | ojwb | hmm, the FAQ about age requirements should link to ghop |
| 00:26.26 | ojwb | if it doesn't already |
| 00:26.48 | cmwslw | This looks really awesome |
| 00:27.17 | dmb | whats GHOP? |
| 00:27.34 | ojwb | google for it... |
| 00:27.37 | cmwslw | The last GHOP ended in 2008 |
| 00:27.42 | z4chh | !timeline |
| 00:27.42 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 00:27.45 | ojwb | open source for high school kids |
| 00:27.51 | dmb | oh |
| 00:28.18 | cmwslw | will they have another GHOP? |
| 00:28.31 | ojwb | cmwslw: google's policy is not to pre-announce stuff |
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| 00:28.38 | Corsix | there have been hints of another GHOP |
| 00:28.42 | Corsix | but nothing official |
| 00:28.49 | cmwslw | Well I hope so |
| 00:29.01 | cmwslw | I love open source and Google. |
| 00:29.02 | ojwb | I think they may not have run it this last year because the melange web app wasn't ready |
| 00:29.23 | ojwb | lh did say that was a condition for running gsoc or ghop again at the summit |
| 00:29.50 | Corsix | using Google Code for GHOP was less than ideal |
| 00:29.54 | ojwb | but perhaps there were other reasons - I'm not "in the know" |
| 00:29.56 | Corsix | so that is understandable |
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| 00:32.29 | Corsix | cmwslw: I was in a similar position to you a few years ago, seeing GSoC happening and wanting to partake, but being under 18 |
| 00:32.47 | Corsix | then GHOP appeared, and all was good, and now I'm 18 and can GSoC |
| 00:33.25 | cmwslw | Well thanks for the help. I'll stay updated with GHOP. |
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| 00:56.41 | skiquel | The deadline for SoC applications is over... right? |
| 00:56.46 | Landon | right |
| 00:56.51 | Landon | completely and utterly over |
| 00:57.04 | skiquel | in utmost totality? |
| 00:57.13 | Landon | (unless you want to start prepping an application for next year) |
| 00:57.13 | Corsix | yes |
| 00:57.13 | Landon | :p |
| 00:57.31 | Landon | then it's time to procrastinate for ~360 days |
| 00:58.12 | dmb | lol |
| 00:58.42 | skiquel | what about mentors? |
| 00:59.05 | Landon | they only get to procrastinate for ~340 days |
| 00:59.11 | Landon | :p |
| 00:59.28 | skiquel | well |
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| 00:59.56 | Landon | applying to be a mentor? no idea |
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| 01:00.16 | Corsix | April 15th: "All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor;" |
| 01:00.20 | skiquel | actually |
| 01:00.21 | skiquel | yes |
| 01:00.24 | Corsix | hence I think mentor signups go to then |
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| 01:04.12 | ojwb | yeah, mentors can still sign up |
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| 01:06.54 | dmb | can participating in a google summer of code project be considered an 'internship'? |
| 01:07.36 | Landon | to who? |
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| 01:13.15 | summatusmentis | dmb: it's more like... project based individual contractor work |
| 01:13.46 | dmb | hmm |
| 01:14.02 | summatusmentis | why? |
| 01:14.08 | dmb | just wondering |
| 01:14.12 | summatusmentis | Landon also makes a good point, who's asking? |
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| 01:14.30 | dmb | well, if one were to get accepted, and they wanted school credit |
| 01:14.45 | dmb | the school would wonder what it was |
| 01:14.47 | ojwb | course credit is possible, as the faq says |
| 01:14.52 | dmb | yes |
| 01:14.58 | dmb | but the school also has to agree :P |
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| 01:15.05 | ojwb | google will issue a letter about it if you ask afterwards |
| 01:15.07 | fenix | hi guys |
| 01:15.07 | ojwb | well, yes |
| 01:15.09 | summatusmentis | dmb: well clearly the school has to give the go ahead |
| 01:15.12 | ojwb | so ask them, not us |
| 01:15.13 | summatusmentis | hi fenix |
| 01:15.24 | codelearner | hey a small bug maybe it is reported |
| 01:15.29 | fenix | can anyone tell me if a portuguese can join gsoc |
| 01:15.51 | ojwb | (and if you pass) |
| 01:15.56 | ojwb | fenix: yes |
| 01:16.01 | codelearner | I am using 9.9.0 |
| 01:16.07 | fenix | ok thanks ojwb |
| 01:16.14 | ojwb | fenix: but the deadline for student applications has passed |
| 01:16.41 | ojwb | codelearner: um, of what? I think you have the wrong channel |
| 01:17.52 | codelearner | oops sorry :P |
| 01:18.26 | skbohra | its been 3258 mins since deadline :) |
| 01:18.37 | codelearner | morning all :) |
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| 02:01.38 | summatusmentis | students don't get put on the student mailing list until being accepted right? |
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| 02:25.21 | _xtian | right |
| 02:27.58 | chx | lh: hi |
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| 04:04.59 | skbohra | I wonder why there isn't a single open source project from India considering so many people actively contributing to FOSS |
| 04:05.13 | summatusmentis | I don't believe that |
| 04:05.17 | hypa7ia | define "from" :) |
| 04:05.30 | summatusmentis | ha, that's a good point |
| 04:05.32 | drCox2 | define "india" |
| 04:05.38 | skbohra | originating from India |
| 04:05.43 | summatusmentis | define "open source" |
| 04:05.50 | drCox2 | define "people actively contributing to FOSS" |
| 04:05.53 | summatusmentis | define "why" |
| 04:05.56 | hypa7ia | i mean really, where is the linux kernel from? linus is from finland, but lives in the US, and the other contributors are around the world :) |
| 04:05.58 | Mkop2 | define "people" |
| 04:06.01 | summatusmentis | define "wonder" |
| 04:06.08 | summatusmentis | I'm done now |
| 04:06.14 | drCox2 | well, its all there for free |
| 04:06.17 | Mkop2 | what does that mean that "linux lives in the US"? |
| 04:06.25 | drCox2 | it does not depend where it comes from |
| 04:06.27 | chx | linus lives there |
| 04:06.30 | hypa7ia | Mkop2: linus the person lives in the us |
| 04:06.31 | chx | but i see your point |
| 04:06.33 | Mkop2 | do you mean where the most active devs are? |
| 04:06.34 | skbohra | open source I know means distributed |
| 04:06.35 | drCox2 | it is important what you make out of it |
| 04:06.36 | hypa7ia | as in linus torvalds |
| 04:06.40 | nsquare | hello guys :) |
| 04:06.42 | chx | most open source projects have a single person starting it |
| 04:06.43 | Mkop2 | oh, linuS lives in the US |
| 04:06.44 | chx | Dries in Belgium |
| 04:06.47 | Mkop2 | I didn't catch that |
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| 04:06.51 | chx | I mean, Drupal |
| 04:06.58 | chx | Linus started Linux in Finland |
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| 04:07.07 | skbohra | yup this is what I wanted to point out |
| 04:07.34 | chx | Mplayer was started by Arpad in Hungary |
| 04:07.47 | drCox2 | skbohra: there is a lot of code comming from developers from india |
| 04:07.51 | chx | I could answer that question but I'd be excommunicated from here so I won't. |
| 04:08.02 | chx | you are free to pm me for a chat on tis |
| 04:08.19 | nsquare | Many undergrads from IITs participate in GSOC |
| 04:08.36 | drCox2 | skbohra: maybe those people do not do it that 'celebrity style' |
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| 04:09.31 | skbohra | drCox2: I think initiation is that which never happens from India |
| 04:10.00 | hypa7ia | i don't think it really matters where things /start/ |
| 04:10.15 | drCox2 | skbohra: you have no idea |
| 04:10.19 | hypa7ia | if anything, getting involved and contributing to an active project is harder than starting your own shitty one |
| 04:10.39 | ojwb | it doesn't matter, but it's an interesting observation if true |
| 04:10.42 | drCox2 | skbohra: india has a very important input, and in therese days it is very under-estimated |
| 04:10.46 | summatusmentis | I agree, I don't think it matters where things initiate from |
| 04:10.51 | hypa7ia | "o hai guys i made another music player app!" |
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| 04:10.58 | ojwb | it might just be that india hasn't had enough people with good net connectivity for very long |
| 04:11.04 | skbohra | ojwb: yes, its true and sad as well |
| 04:11.33 | nsquare | ojwb: i think it has changed now |
| 04:11.36 | hypa7ia | spent tonight deciding between rhythmbox, songbird, banshee, quodlibet... and that's ignoring all the kde ones |
| 04:11.48 | hypa7ia | hates duplicated effort |
| 04:11.58 | ojwb | is also curious why (at least last year) india apparently had a low success rate |
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| 04:12.30 | ojwb | hypa7ia: I let ubuntu choose for me, except when their choice is obviously dreadful |
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| 04:15.02 | rohananil | ojwb: what was the success rate ? |
| 04:15.14 | ojwb | well, I only have the pie charts to go on |
| 04:15.51 | nsquare | ojwb: you mean success rate of student completing projects? |
| 04:15.56 | ojwb | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/04/two-top-10s-for-google-summer-of-code.html |
| 04:15.59 | ojwb | no, acceptance |
| 04:16.00 | ojwb | sorry |
| 04:16.13 | ojwb | that was the wrong term |
| 04:16.29 | hypa7ia | ojwb: i go with the ubu default on nearly everything, but rhythmbox just doesn't suit my needs, or my absurdly large music library |
| 04:16.55 | ojwb | rhythmbox seems to keep hanging for me |
| 04:17.20 | ojwb | it's something to do with downloading podcasts, but I've not worked out what, despite trying debug logging and gdb on it |
| 04:18.00 | ojwb | and it uses gvfs which seems to get unhappy with iffy http connections, such as nz -> bbc can be |
| 04:18.20 | codelearner | low internet penetration + ppl still dont understand the economics of it when someone says " free as in speech , not in free beer" |
| 04:18.22 | nsquare | ojwb: many application from IITs are accepted |
| 04:19.02 | hypa7ia | we got a few really excellent proposals from india |
| 04:19.05 | ojwb | has been googling candidates, and there seems to be a lot of open source/free software advocacy going on |
| 04:19.24 | ojwb | hypa7ia: yeah, we've got some good ones |
| 04:19.27 | ojwb | and some not so good |
| 04:19.41 | ojwb | not sure we have enough to draw any valid conclusions though |
| 04:19.56 | nsquare | ojwb: the thing is, except for iits, many other universities do not have good semester patterns |
| 04:20.15 | hypa7ia | ojwb: we got some terrible ones from all over :) |
| 04:20.18 | nsquare | and maybe thats reflected in the applications from those universities |
| 04:20.18 | hypa7ia | but only a couple |
| 04:21.09 | ojwb | we don't actually have any applications from americans this year, which suprised me |
| 04:21.16 | hypa7ia | huh |
| 04:21.18 | ojwb | one from an indian student at a us uni |
| 04:21.20 | hypa7ia | we have like 3? i think |
| 04:21.38 | ojwb | hypa7ia: out of roughly how many? |
| 04:22.12 | hypa7ia | 29 |
| 04:22.21 | nsquare | any idea about total number of applications |
| 04:22.21 | ojwb | we've 15 in all |
| 04:22.23 | nsquare | overall |
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| 04:22.27 | hypa7ia | 3 from canada as well \o/ |
| 04:22.32 | ojwb | !stats |
| 04:22.33 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 04:22.36 | ojwb | oh, not that |
| 04:22.39 | Mkop2 | ojwb: what project are you on? |
| 04:22.41 | ojwb | there's a factoid |
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| 04:22.57 | ojwb | !numapps |
| 04:22.58 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
| 04:23.00 | ojwb | there |
| 04:23.04 | ojwb | Mkop2: swig |
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| 04:23.55 | nsquare | well, thats less than what I was expecting |
| 04:24.10 | nsquare | i think last year there were more apps |
| 04:24.14 | nsquare | not sure |
| 04:24.16 | ojwb | nope, we've essentially none from "the west" |
| 04:24.35 | ojwb | "7000 or so" apps last year, from "3000+" students |
| 04:24.42 | ojwb | so apps per student is down |
| 04:24.45 | ojwb | and quality is up |
| 04:24.50 | ojwb | draw your own conclusions |
| 04:24.58 | nsquare | ojwb: less applicants from US is surprising as well |
| 04:25.16 | ojwb | yeah |
| 04:25.24 | nsquare | considering current situation :D |
| 04:25.58 | ojwb | we've hungary and croatia, but none from western europe, canada, australia, nz, etc |
| 04:26.19 | ojwb | it'll be interesting to see the overall country breakdown |
| 04:26.29 | nsquare | ojwb: you are mentoring for which organization? |
| 04:26.46 | ojwb | nsquare: I just said (swig) |
| 04:27.05 | kartik_rustagi | Might be future talk, but how many slots will be given this time(in total)? |
| 04:27.16 | nsquare | kartik: 1000 |
| 04:27.18 | ojwb | approximately 1000 |
| 04:27.21 | nsquare | thats maximum |
| 04:27.28 | nsquare | ojwb: sorry, missed that |
| 04:28.06 | kartik_rustagi | Also is the sole criteria for selecting number of slots to an organisation is the number of proposals they get? |
| 04:28.14 | ojwb | not at all |
| 04:28.17 | ojwb | !slot |
| 04:28.18 | socinfo | Error: "slot" is not a valid command. |
| 04:28.19 | ojwb | !slots |
| 04:28.19 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 04:28.28 | ojwb | that describes the process |
| 04:29.56 | LawnGnome | ojwb: In fairness, Australia/NZ have always had terrible participation rates, presumably because of the lack of winter holidays here relative to the GSoC timetable, so I'm not hugely surprised by that. </late> |
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| 04:30.11 | ojwb | LawnGnome: yeah, I realise that |
| 04:30.35 | codelearner | interesting stats. |
| 04:31.04 | LawnGnome | took part two years ago as a student and wouldn't do it again; I enjoyed the programme, but it's just too hard to juggle within the five weeks or so you actually have off between semesters. |
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| 04:31.27 | Daerd | hi everybody, im a filipino gsoc applicant. just dropped-by to say good luck to all applicants and thanks to the organizers for this nice opportunity! |
| 04:32.02 | nsquare | LawnGnome: its even harder for some universities in india |
| 04:32.38 | nsquare | LawnGnome: I did my undergrads in India, we had only 3-4 week break between semesters :P |
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| 04:33.30 | LawnGnome | nsquare: So I've been told. Was just in India on a uni trip in February. :) |
| 04:34.06 | nsquare | nice :) |
| 04:35.36 | codelearner | 19000 smileys! there has to be something missing , after all I joined only a few days ago! |
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| 04:35.51 | Daerd | are there any special application requirements for students who have 10-month academic schedules that start in june and end in march/april (e.g. filipinos)? |
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| 04:36.23 | Daerd | i understand that to be a valid gsoc applicant, one must be considered a student by april 20 |
| 04:36.47 | Daerd | our last semester ends at about the 1st of week april |
| 04:37.12 | codelearner | I wont count on next year. :) |
| 04:37.33 | Daerd | so, are we not valid? :) |
| 04:37.36 | nsquare | daerd: yeah. i guess thats the requirement. you need to be enrolled as a student on 20th april |
| 04:37.41 | Daerd | :( |
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| 04:38.00 | Daerd | so, do we need to enrol for summer classes, then? |
| 04:38.32 | nsquare | whats your graduation date? |
| 04:38.58 | Daerd | i haven't and won't graduating yet until the summer of 2010 |
| 04:38.59 | nsquare | i guess the requirement is - on 20th april, you should be a student for your university |
| 04:39.05 | Daerd | *won't be.. |
| 04:39.18 | nsquare | even if you have not enrolled for any course |
| 04:39.30 | Daerd | ah right |
| 04:39.37 | Daerd | i could enroll for residency |
| 04:39.39 | Daerd | :-) |
| 04:39.46 | Daerd | i'll ask my university then |
| 04:39.48 | nsquare | check out the FAQ section |
| 04:39.58 | nsquare | it has a question related to this topic |
| 04:40.00 | Daerd | i'd be asking for some proof of enrolment, anyway |
| 04:40.05 | Daerd | yeah, ive read it |
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| 04:40.30 | Daerd | the problem is that we don't have the same schedule as us universities |
| 04:41.21 | Daerd | see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semester#Philippines |
| 04:41.28 | Daerd | alright, thanks |
| 04:41.50 | codelearner | most universities have term papers in april- may in india |
| 04:41.51 | nsquare | if your university can say that you are a student on 20th april and have not graduated yet, then i guess it should be ok |
| 04:42.14 | Daerd | yeah, i guess it's up to the university |
| 04:42.29 | Daerd | if it still considers me as a student |
| 04:42.37 | Daerd | on the 20th of april |
| 04:42.42 | nsquare | yes |
| 04:43.43 | nsquare | in my university, if you are taking courses in spring and next fall, then you are a student for summer irrespective of number of courses taken in summer |
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| 04:45.02 | nsquare | i dont think you'll have any problem |
| 04:45.05 | nsquare | :) |
| 04:46.27 | skbohra | so as in my case |
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| 04:48.12 | Daerd | the problem in my case is that i could theoretically decide to not enroll the next academic year |
| 04:48.27 | Daerd | and we do have to re-enroll every semester |
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| 04:48.42 | ojwb | Daerd: it sounds to me like you qualify, but lh can give a definitive answer |
| 04:48.45 | Daerd | but yeah, ill ask my university on the limit dates |
| 04:49.04 | Daerd | should i pm him/her? |
| 04:49.07 | ojwb | a student in any country could drop out before their next year starts |
| 04:49.15 | ojwb | not sure I'd pm |
| 04:49.23 | ojwb | (and lh is female) |
| 04:49.27 | Daerd | okay, then ill wait |
| 04:49.29 | nsquare | Daerd: like i said before, i think if your university certifies, then there should not be any problem |
| 04:49.35 | ojwb | she's west coast US |
| 04:49.56 | Daerd | wats the timezone around there again? |
| 04:50.08 | nsquare | its 12.50am here :) |
| 04:50.16 | nsquare | eastern time |
| 04:50.21 | summatusmentis | west coast is... UTC - 8 iirc |
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| 04:50.30 | ojwb | 21:50 currently |
| 04:50.43 | Daerd | ah, right |
| 04:50.56 | ojwb | ah, her away message suggests she off to las vegas! |
| 04:51.10 | ojwb | Daerd: you've applied anyway, presumably? |
| 04:51.15 | ojwb | or else this is all moot |
| 04:51.36 | Daerd | yep, ive applied for gimp :) |
| 04:51.47 | Daerd | (ojwb: lucky lh) |
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| 04:52.29 | Daerd | nsquare: we have opposing timezones |
| 04:52.37 | Daerd | its 12.52pm here |
| 04:52.43 | Daerd | :) |
| 04:52.47 | nsquare | :) |
| 04:53.12 | nsquare | well, i can say that my "day" has also started :P |
| 04:53.28 | nsquare | i do most of my project work during nights :D |
| 04:54.10 | Daerd | me too, actually. it's so hot here during the day that it's so hard to fight the urge to sleep :-) |
| 04:54.37 | nsquare | and luckily, i dont have any class before noon :) |
| 04:54.58 | Daerd | im more lucky though, i dont have any class period |
| 04:55.18 | Daerd | i can concentrate for gsoc (assuming i get accepted, though) |
| 04:55.47 | nsquare | yes. my sem is also ending on 30th april |
| 04:55.58 | nsquare | but this month is going to be pretty hectic |
| 04:56.41 | Daerd | yikes, good luck nsquare |
| 04:56.45 | Daerd | :-) |
| 04:57.12 | nsquare | thanks :) |
| 04:57.45 | Daerd | so, any filipinos here, by chance? |
| 04:58.22 | Daerd | there arent that many filipino applicants according to the previous gsoc stats |
| 04:58.23 | Daerd | sigh |
| 05:01.49 | ojwb | doesn't think that actually determines your chances |
| 05:02.14 | summatusmentis | no, it shouldn't |
| 05:02.28 | summatusmentis | I was the only person from my state, that I'm aware of, last year |
| 05:02.35 | Daerd | ah yeah.. |
| 05:02.46 | Daerd | im just merely looking for a fellow to talk to |
| 05:03.01 | nsquare | yes, as ojwb has already pointed out, stats might be bit different this year :) |
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| 05:03.14 | Daerd | since these kinds of international events are intimidating (a bit, hehe) |
| 05:03.49 | summatusmentis | more than a bit ;-D |
| 05:03.57 | Daerd | hahha, yeah |
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| 05:08.37 | rohananil | says good morning everybody |
| 05:09.33 | summatusmentis | hi |
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| 05:13.57 | skbohra | gsoc is the only event exists of its kind |
| 05:14.43 | ojwb | no, there are other "fund students to hack on open source" schems |
| 05:14.46 | ojwb | schemes |
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| 05:15.13 | skbohra | yeah but with so many orgs together |
| 05:15.24 | ojwb | nothing so major |
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| 05:16.32 | ojwb | perhaps ghop (assuming it happens again) will involve more orgs |
| 05:17.38 | skbohra | think had ghop started earlier during his school days and had he knew about it then :( |
| 05:18.15 | skbohra | s/think/thinks |
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| 06:07.35 | harrynguyen | !next |
| 06:07.35 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 06:07.47 | harrynguyen | !numapps |
| 06:07.47 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
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| 06:08.30 | harrynguyen | is any announcement made today ? |
| 06:08.42 | summatusmentis | no... |
| 06:09.11 | ojwb | it's not monday yet in west coast us |
| 06:09.12 | harrynguyen | It's 14:00 Monday here... |
| 06:09.24 | ojwb | and it's 18:09 here |
| 06:09.44 | ojwb | but that doesn't make it monday yet where Google HQ is |
| 06:09.45 | harrynguyen | r u guys still in Sunday ...? |
| 06:09.53 | ojwb | isn't |
| 06:09.59 | Catfish_Man | is |
| 06:10.08 | ojwb | wow, what's it like? |
| 06:10.20 | ojwb | can remember when it was sunday here |
| 06:10.30 | ojwb | ah, that was the day |
| 06:10.35 | Catfish_Man | pretty nice :) |
| 06:10.43 | harrynguyen | it's a working day, and is is heavy rainning now O_o |
| 06:10.52 | ojwb | perhaps some day it will be sunday here again |
| 06:11.20 | harrynguyen | :) i like your positive thinking |
| 06:11.43 | harrynguyen | but the fact is there are more working days than Sunday |
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| 06:12.24 | harrynguyen | ... dont border ... it's non-sense :) |
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| 06:13.41 | viktorkrum | hi ppl, is there anyway to know about the number of applications for any particular organization |
| 06:13.59 | kblin | !askyourorg |
| 06:13.59 | summatusmentis | ask the org |
| 06:14.00 | socinfo | "askyourorg" is You should ask the organization you are interested in applying as this varies per organization. |
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| 06:27.02 | noHFCS | Now that the deadline for student applications has passed, is it possible to look through the applications that have been submitted? I'm curious what other students have sent in. |
| 06:27.11 | ojwb | no |
| 06:27.14 | noHFCS | If it isn't possible now, will it be possible after decisions have been made? |
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| 06:27.33 | ojwb | there's a public view of accepted applications |
| 06:27.37 | ojwb | but it doesn't show everything |
| 06:27.48 | ojwb | last year, it was the time and abstract |
| 06:27.50 | ojwb | um |
| 06:27.55 | ojwb | s/time/title |
| 06:28.03 | noHFCS | i see |
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| 06:28.13 | noHFCS | i found last years applications, and thought they all seemed a little thin |
| 06:28.30 | noHFCS | that would explain why |
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| 06:28.48 | ojwb | it would be nice to show more |
| 06:29.02 | ojwb | or at least be able to if the people concerned are OK with it |
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| 06:29.09 | ojwb | can't really see why it should be secret |
| 06:29.30 | noHFCS | my organization didn't publish much of an application guideline, so mostly I'm just curious what formats other students followed, and what they included |
| 06:29.46 | thiago_home | most applications have personal details |
| 06:30.07 | ojwb | that's true |
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| 06:30.20 | noHFCS | ya, i guess anyone reading mine knows what school i go to, where i live, and where i work |
| 06:30.32 | t0ms | ojwb: where can you find public view of accepted applications? |
| 06:30.48 | ojwb | it should be segregated into "private info" and the rest I guess |
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| 06:30.58 | thiago_home | t0ms: code.google.com/soc/2008/ |
| 06:31.37 | noHFCS | thoughts for next year! |
| 06:31.50 | noHFCS | I wonder why they shun away from a standardized application |
| 06:31.56 | thiago_home | they who? |
| 06:32.05 | noHFCS | they = google |
| 06:32.20 | Catfish_Man | a standardized application wouldn't be suitable for all projects |
| 06:32.23 | ojwb | different orgs are interested in differnt things |
| 06:32.38 | thiago_home | because google is mentoring things for which there are no organisations |
| 06:32.50 | noHFCS | *shrug* |
| 06:33.09 | noHFCS | it seems that there are enough similarities that a standard app could be developed |
| 06:33.16 | ojwb | it would also encourage students to submit boilerplate applications I suspect |
| 06:33.17 | noHFCS | maybe that should have been my proposal ;) |
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| 06:34.49 | noHFCS | anyways, thanks for helping to answer some questions |
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| 06:37.46 | ojwb | if there was a standard application form, almost everyone would have a secondary form anyway |
| 06:37.56 | ojwb | so I don't see it improves things |
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| 06:38.49 | jorrit | Hi |
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| 06:51.54 | kennethreitz | Is it too late to apply? |
| 06:51.58 | ojwb | yes |
| 06:51.59 | Catfish_Man | yes |
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| 06:52.25 | thiago_home | not too late for 2010 :-) |
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| 06:53.10 | kennethreitz | How do you get accepted? |
| 06:53.15 | kennethreitz | Just get noticed/ |
| 06:53.29 | ojwb | first you need to apply before the deadline |
| 06:53.36 | Catfish_Man | write a good proposal, talk with mentoring organizations, etc... |
| 06:53.46 | ojwb | yeah |
| 06:53.47 | kennethreitz | ojwb: Haha, I assumed so... |
| 06:53.50 | ojwb | and a small amount of luck |
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| 07:51.15 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 07:51.17 | spectie | !timeline |
| 07:51.17 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 09:38.59 | Shannon90 | !numapps |
| 09:38.59 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
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| 09:51.16 | MatthewWilkes | Good morning all! |
| 09:51.21 | straydawg | hello MatthewWilkes :) |
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| 09:55.48 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 09:56.39 | chunmun | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.54 | MatthewWilkes | :) How is everyone? |
| 10:01.18 | aghisla | MatthewWilkes: fine thanks! and have all a nice day |
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| 10:08.13 | viktorkrum | !numapps |
| 10:08.14 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
| 10:08.37 | aghisla | 5900 proposals?! less than 2008 |
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| 10:09.09 | viktorkrum | the deadline was extended in 2008 |
| 10:09.22 | aghisla | viktorkrum: i forgot it :) |
| 10:09.23 | viktorkrum | not this year ... tht might be one of the reasons |
| 10:10.25 | MatthewWilkes | viktorkrum: This year's application period was the same length as last year's extended period, and apparently applications submitted in the extension were of substantially lower quality |
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| 10:10.46 | murphl | number of mentoring orgs is a bit tricky w/ umbrella orgs too. |
| 10:10.50 | ojwb | more actual students applied this year it seems |
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| 10:12.59 | viktorkrum | will 1000 proposals get selected this year or is it 1000 students ? |
| 10:13.16 | ojwb | um, both |
| 10:13.17 | scorche | well, only one proposal per student can be accepted, so.. |
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| 10:14.12 | viktorkrum | last year , as far as i know, the student got to choose which project to work on , in case multiple proposals gets selected |
| 10:14.21 | viktorkrum | is it not the same this year ? |
| 10:14.29 | ojwb | it's still 1000 students for one proposal each |
| 10:14.44 | ojwb | students may get a choice if two orgs want them, but not always |
| 10:15.03 | ojwb | ultimately, it's assumed that if you applied for something, you'll be happy doing it |
| 10:15.19 | smtms | viktorkrum, it wasn't exactly as you describe it last year |
| 10:15.54 | viktorkrum | i didn't apply last year .. but my friend got 2 and chose one out of it |
| 10:16.17 | ojwb | but at that point, a slot isn't "lost" |
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| 10:24.09 | chunmun | !bugs |
| 10:24.09 | socinfo | "bugs" is Melange bugs are tracked at http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list |
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| 10:25.41 | drkwolf | is't possible to edit the proposal after the deadline ? |
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| 10:26.03 | Ivanovic | editing the proposal it self is not possible anymore |
| 10:26.14 | Ivanovic | but you should leave comments with whatever you want to say |
| 10:26.21 | Ivanovic | mentors will most likely see those |
| 10:27.10 | JorritAfk | Time to go |
| 10:27.14 | serg | what is a "user link id" ? |
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| 10:27.37 | chunmun | feature requests for melange go in the issues list only rt? |
| 10:27.38 | Ivanovic | the ID the user specified when creating the account |
| 10:27.50 | Ivanovic | basically some short form thing (often the nickname or something comparable) |
| 10:28.07 | chunmun | SRabbelier: ping |
| 10:28.08 | serg | nickname, not the login email ? |
| 10:28.34 | drkwolf | Ivanovic: thx |
| 10:29.17 | chunmun | serg:http://socghop.appspot.com/user/edit_profile |
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| 10:29.31 | serg | okay, thanks |
| 10:29.31 | chunmun | serg: not the login id |
| 10:29.33 | Ivanovic | serg: it is something the user specifies |
| 10:29.42 | Ivanovic | something system internal |
| 10:29.50 | serg | now just have to remember what it was... :( |
| 10:30.21 | Ivanovic | click on "edit profile" and you have it shown |
| 10:30.39 | Ivanovic | if you have javascript active, it does show what exactly it is by using an overlay |
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| 10:32.27 | serg | Ivanovic: that's issue #537 in your tracker :) if I'd have access to my id I wouldn't need to know it, catch 22. |
| 10:32.40 | serg | anyway, I'll try to remember it. too bad it wasn't in the welcome email :( |
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| 10:33.17 | ojwb | um, you don't need the link id to login |
| 10:33.40 | ojwb | the login is just through the google account |
| 10:33.45 | serg | yes, I don't |
| 10:33.48 | Ivanovic | uhm, to login just use your google code account |
| 10:33.53 | Ivanovic | that is basically the email addy |
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| 10:35.10 | ojwb | so login and click on "Edit Profile" - first entry on the left under "User (self)" |
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| 10:36.54 | serg | precisely, I cannot login. it's http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=532 |
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| 10:36.59 | serg | but anyway, I'll figure something out |
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| 10:38.52 | ojwb | ok, but there's no catch 22 there - the ticket says to email Pawel from the non-gmail and gmail addresses |
| 10:39.11 | ojwb | presumably he then looks up the record for the non-gmail |
| 10:39.21 | serg | I did that and he asked the user link id :) |
| 10:39.23 | ojwb | and changes the email address |
| 10:39.31 | ojwb | ah |
| 10:39.42 | ojwb | well, if he can't help, we can't |
| 10:39.47 | serg | and I didn't even remember what it is... |
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| 10:40.01 | serg | you did, you explained me what it is, that's what I wanted to know |
| 10:40.24 | ojwb | you could ask an org you applied to - it'll be visible in the URL for your application |
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| 10:40.53 | serg | yes, that's the next step... |
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| 11:20.17 | Stivo | !numapps |
| 11:20.18 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
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| 11:21.26 | kblin | sighs |
| 11:21.43 | Ivanovic | would be interested in the numbers of students that have *not* submitted a proposal (since IIRC those are in the figure of 3500, too) |
| 11:22.06 | disismt | says wtf |
| 11:22.17 | monsieurp | says same thing |
| 11:22.21 | Stivo | I thought someone mentioned there are 5900 registered students |
| 11:22.33 | Ivanovic | no, 5900 submitted proposals |
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| 11:23.12 | imbusy | not that much |
| 11:23.16 | Ivanovic | (though this number includes the proposals that were withdrawn or marked ineligible (IIRC)) |
| 11:23.20 | imbusy | *many |
| 11:23.32 | Ivanovic | considering that there are only 1000 slots: that is a lot |
| 11:23.42 | imbusy | not really |
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| 11:24.04 | imbusy | that's in my opinion |
| 11:24.22 | imbusy | gsoc should be really competitive |
| 11:24.41 | Ivanovic | hmm, for wesnoth it really is |
| 11:24.54 | ninadsp | imbusy: that can happen if you publicise gsoc more... :) |
| 11:25.03 | Ivanovic | that is: we have 35 proposals and of those we can only *handle* up to 6 (if google gives us this many slots that is) |
| 11:25.04 | ninadsp | s/you/we/ |
| 11:25.45 | monsieurp | nice bot |
| 11:25.52 | Ivanovic | so at max we have a "success rate" of 17% |
| 11:26.12 | Ivanovic | yeah, i do call this competitive |
| 11:26.13 | monsieurp | s/nice/horrible/ |
| 11:26.16 | monsieurp | :D |
| 11:26.27 | ninadsp | ivanovic: that is a very high success rate... |
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| 11:26.41 | disismt | Ivanovic, for $4500, compertition shoul be more |
| 11:26.48 | disismt | s/shoul/should/ |
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| 11:26.59 | Stivo | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:27.29 | ninadsp | i come from india, and i do know the success rate of IIMs... its a very high rate compared to that one |
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| 11:28.17 | Ivanovic | ninadsp: and now consider what the orgs ask the students to do to really have a *chance* to get in |
| 11:28.23 | Ivanovic | many orgs request patches and all this |
| 11:28.35 | imbusy | you can even submit a few proposals |
| 11:29.01 | imbusy | and considering some of them have already been removed.. |
| 11:29.02 | Ivanovic | imbusy: of course you can, though this does not mean that your chance will necessarily increase due to more proposals |
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| 11:29.14 | imbusy | of course |
| 11:29.30 | ninadsp | ivanovic: efforts are needed to get into something good.. no matter what it is.. :) |
| 11:29.37 | Ivanovic | ninadsp: correct |
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| 11:29.54 | kblin | le sigh |
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| 11:30.01 | Ivanovic | kblin: is it this bad? |
| 11:30.03 | kblin | stupid gfdl |
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| 11:31.05 | kblin | Ivanovic: I just found a nice image of the citric acid cycle I wanted to use in my thesis, but it's licensed under the gnu fdl |
| 11:31.07 | ninadsp | i do agree with disismt.. competition should be more for $4500 :) |
| 11:31.45 | smtms | ninadsp, $4500 for three months - not that much |
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| 11:32.19 | bobbens | it's not like they're just giving out wads of bills |
| 11:32.21 | ninadsp | smtms: in indian rupees, it comes to 2 lakh inr... not at all bad for 3 months |
| 11:32.29 | ninadsp | infact, great... |
| 11:32.50 | nielsn | smtms: it's a lot more then I would earn doing a regular holiday-job here in Belgium |
| 11:33.16 | nielsn | given we are only allowed to do that kind of job for 4 weeks a year |
| 11:33.28 | ojwb | in the US it's more than minimum wage, but not hugely more |
| 11:33.40 | kblin | yeah, same here |
| 11:33.44 | ojwb | but in China, it seems to be more than the average annual wage |
| 11:33.46 | disismt | ninadsp, and consdering the present dollar value, $4500 = LOTA |
| 11:33.51 | disismt | *LOTS |
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| 11:34.18 | ojwb | our mentor payments were worth significantly more because I was very slack at invoicing |
| 11:34.18 | ninadsp | and, it also gives me an excuse to code... :) people wont let me code unless i have to... |
| 11:34.25 | kblin | especially with the usd<->eur exchange rate... |
| 11:34.28 | ojwb | which reduced the complaining |
| 11:34.39 | nielsn | kblin: indeed! |
| 11:34.58 | nielsn | I won't earn more a month |
| 11:35.05 | nielsn | but this way I get three months payed |
| 11:35.05 | kblin | but I see it as getting paid for doing stuff I'd do anyway |
| 11:35.07 | nielsn | instead of one |
| 11:35.26 | nielsn | yeah true, I'm going to program during the summer anyway |
| 11:35.35 | nielsn | would be nice to make it useful for a change ;) |
| 11:36.29 | ninadsp | nielsn: you are lucky... i might not get to code if i dont get selected... other work might come in... :) |
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| 11:36.55 | nielsn | ninadsp: me too, but the coding would be after hours then ;) |
| 11:37.08 | nielsn | a lot less coding then obvious |
| 11:37.32 | nielsn | *obviously ;) |
| 11:37.39 | kblin | ojwb: I didn't see any mentor payments yet |
| 11:37.47 | kblin | ojwb: at least not on my account |
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| 11:38.52 | ojwb | for 2008 |
| 11:41.59 | skiquel | mentor payment? |
| 11:42.04 | skiquel | as in to organizations? |
| 11:42.33 | ninadsp | nielsn: same here! i did the same in winter hols... |
| 11:42.51 | ninadsp | nielsn: and sadly, i have yet to complete that project... stuck at testing... |
| 11:42.58 | kblin | skiquel: yeah |
| 11:43.03 | ojwb | skiquel: the org gets $500 per student |
| 11:43.18 | susscorfa | !help |
| 11:43.18 | socinfo | "help" is see !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki |
| 11:43.28 | susscorfa | !advice |
| 11:43.28 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 12:02.06 | Ivanovic | yeah, the *orgs* get the payment and at wesnoth we keep it in our "org fundus" that is basically used eg to pay for the server |
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| 12:03.57 | kblin | Ivanovic: well, WF has no means to handle money, and our server space is donated, so we decided to give the money to the individual mentors |
| 12:04.06 | ojwb | indeed - it's up to the org what they do |
| 12:04.41 | ojwb | swig also has no way to handle funds, so I offered to invoice through my consulting business |
| 12:05.03 | ojwb | and then paid the other mentors as subcontractors |
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| 12:07.07 | kblin | for samba, the money went into the samba team funds |
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| 12:07.33 | kblin | but the SFC invoiced for us anyway |
| 12:07.48 | ninadsp | well... i know this is OT here... but does anyone know a somple way to open pptx on ubuntu? downloading ooo3 will take ages at my place.. |
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| 12:08.35 | kblin | ninadsp: claim you don't have a recent version of powerpoint and ask the person who sent you the pptx to send you a powerpoint 2003 document |
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| 12:08.47 | PearlJam | ninadsp: convert it using some online utility (google it, lots around) |
| 12:08.54 | ojwb | don;'t just claim that |
| 12:09.01 | ojwb | tell them how evil the format is! |
| 12:09.08 | kblin | shrugs |
| 12:09.23 | kblin | ojwb: it's simpler to not get into the politics |
| 12:09.27 | aghisla|away | pptx!!! argh |
| 12:09.41 | ojwb | actually, I find just ignoring mail with attachments in stupid formats works pretty well |
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| 12:09.52 | ninadsp | PearlJam: thanx... :) the guy who i took the file from is not in his room now.. other wise i was going to ask him a ppt version.. :) |
| 12:09.55 | kblin | of course my usual reply is "you seem to have sent a garbage attachment I can't open. please resend as pdf" |
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| 12:10.17 | ninadsp | kblin: :D |
| 12:10.25 | nielsn | kblin: LOL! |
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| 12:10.39 | aghisla | good answer |
| 12:10.59 | ninadsp | kblin: usually, people dont have pdf converters either plugged in to their MS Office 2k7 :( |
| 12:11.09 | kblin | ojwb: which usually leads them to complain that they need to buy adobe acrobat to create pdfs, and then I tell them about that office suite I'm using that can convert to pdf without having to install anything extra |
| 12:11.21 | kblin | ninadsp: ^^^ |
| 12:11.29 | ojwb | or just "print to pdf" |
| 12:11.45 | ojwb | doesn't modern windows have that built in? |
| 12:11.56 | ojwb | perhaps I just assumed it would |
| 12:11.57 | ninadsp | kblin: yeah... i love to see the look on their faces after that... |
| 12:12.12 | aghisla | office 2007 seems to have a pdf-er but adds nice white frame around slides |
| 12:12.26 | kblin | ojwb: dunno, I don't really use modern windows systems to do actual work |
| 12:12.36 | aghisla | as I like dark backgrounds most, here is another reason to use openoffice |
| 12:12.41 | ninadsp | btw, did you know that less can read .doc files? |
| 12:12.42 | aghisla | or beamer ;) |
| 12:12.58 | kblin | ojwb: unless you count running wine and samba tests |
| 12:13.04 | kblin | aghisla: beamer... |
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| 12:13.27 | kblin | though if my SDC talk is accepted, I need to look into getting that stupid template to work in OOo again |
| 12:14.08 | kblin | though I gave my last presentation in ppt (had to use a ppt template) running in Wine |
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| 12:15.23 | ninadsp | never mind.... i'll wait till the guy comes back... i can read up other slides till he gets back... |
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| 12:15.41 | ninadsp | btw, PearlJam was talking of something like zamzar.org |
| 12:15.45 | nielsn | I find that ppt in wine works better than opening ppt in openoffice |
| 12:15.50 | nielsn | conversion isn't all that |
| 12:16.37 | kblin | nielsn: especially if you need to use a template and create a resulting document that looks like the other documents |
| 12:16.54 | nielsn | yes indeed |
| 12:16.55 | kblin | but I'm considering just refusing to use a non-free template next time :) |
| 12:17.16 | nielsn | hehe, that's another way of solving it ;) |
| 12:17.31 | PearlJam | ninadsp: yes exactly. it is better. i know sending such formats is really bad, but when you got no choice, why fret? just convert and get on with your work. |
| 12:17.40 | kblin | last time was my first time at that conference, so I decided to rather play nice |
| 12:18.01 | nielsn | kblin: but now, HEADS ARE GONNA ROLL |
| 12:18.07 | kblin | no |
| 12:18.08 | ninadsp | PearlJam: I can wait this time... :) so i don't mind bugging the guy... :) |
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| 12:18.57 | kblin | they'll just have to live with me giving them an OOo document, with the mention of real ISO standards vs. cheated ISO standards |
| 12:19.24 | nielsn | and right you are |
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| 12:38.30 | sfb | lh: ping |
| 12:38.43 | kblin | hi sfb |
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| 12:38.59 | kblin | it's still a bit early in CA, I guess |
| 12:39.23 | disismt | ds |
| 12:39.41 | ankitg | 5:37 am or so |
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| 12:41.13 | ajuonline | .o/ |
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| 12:44.42 | ankitg | ajuonline: Hi |
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| 12:47.31 | Ivanovic | kblin: beside this microsoft has *not* released an office that is compatible with the cheated iso standard they got |
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| 12:48.46 | kblin | that as well |
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| 12:48.51 | ajuonline | ankitg: hi, whats up |
| 12:48.58 | flyankur | hey , Why is editing the proposal disabled .. when i try to edit , melange shoots "This page is inactive at this time." Any help with this? |
| 12:49.13 | Ivanovic | so if they want iso standard conform, they can only rely on the format that is eg supported by open office or koffice |
| 12:49.17 | ajuonline | flyankur: didnt you read the memo. the deadline is over. you cant edit it :D |
| 12:49.33 | Ivanovic | flyankur: the only way to "adjust" your proposal is by leaving comments |
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| 12:50.12 | flyankur | Ivanovic, ajuonline: thanks. !! |
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| 12:50.33 | ankitg | ajuonline: nm ... in uni, listening to other shared itunes lib. music ... going off for food soon ... |
| 12:50.45 | ankitg | *s/other/other people's/g |
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| 12:52.43 | dan_w | hi everyone |
| 12:53.00 | nielsn | hi there |
| 12:53.07 | dan_w | i have a quick question, it is not possible to edit applications now we are post - deadline? |
| 12:53.35 | kblin | nope |
| 12:53.41 | kblin | you can leave comments, though |
| 12:53.57 | dan_w | is the only way to ammend an application through the use of comments? |
| 12:54.13 | aghisla | this question has the potential to become a faq |
| 12:54.27 | aghisla | dan_w: it is |
| 12:54.39 | dan_w | :p sorry if its a common question |
| 12:54.46 | dan_w | ok thankyou |
| 12:54.53 | aghisla | dan_w: np :) |
| 12:55.03 | kblin | dan_w: no, that's ok, that's how FAQ entries get created :) |
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| 12:56.55 | Gaurav___ | !info |
| 12:56.56 | socinfo | Error: access denied (factoids.info). |
| 12:57.08 | Gaurav___ | !help |
| 12:57.08 | socinfo | "help" is see !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki |
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| 12:57.25 | Gaurav___ | !next |
| 12:57.26 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 12:57.42 | Gaurav___ | !next |
| 12:57.42 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 12:58.09 | ojwb | Gaurav___: stop that |
| 12:58.14 | Saturn|VU | spoiler: if you do it again, it will still give you the same answer |
| 12:58.18 | Gaurav___ | sorry |
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| 12:58.56 | Gaurav___ | i thought it will give something different as name suggest( next ) |
| 12:59.24 | ojwb | socinfo: learn edit as You can't edit your application now the deadline has passed. Leave comments on it instead. |
| 12:59.24 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 13:22.07 | eugene | lh: ping |
| 13:22.10 | ajuonline | high fives eugene |
| 13:22.15 | eugene | ? |
| 13:22.29 | ajuonline | eugene: yo! |
| 13:22.35 | eugene | ajuonline: hi |
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| 13:22.41 | ajuonline | how are you doing? long time? |
| 13:22.50 | eugene | ajuonline: i'm doing ok :) |
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| 13:24.22 | eugene | ajuonline: how are you? |
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| 13:25.09 | Garuma | !next |
| 13:25.09 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 13:31.27 | ankitg | hi eugene =) |
| 13:32.03 | eugene | ankitg: saw you in apac google blog. |
| 13:32.20 | ankitg | eugene: oh noes ... |
| 13:32.27 | ankitg | hides |
| 13:32.28 | ajuonline | eugene: i am great :) |
| 13:32.28 | eugene | ankitg: why didnt they interview mentors ;) |
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| 13:32.43 | eugene | ajuonline: awesome |
| 13:32.50 | eugene | ankitg: have you graduated? |
| 13:33.10 | ankitg | eugene: June |
| 13:33.21 | eugene | ankitg: ah. congrats :) |
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| 13:33.56 | ankitg | eugene: congrats for finally making it out in June? |
| 13:34.11 | eugene | ankitg: welcome to the jungle :) |
| 13:34.45 | ankitg | eugene: applying for masters =P |
| 13:34.54 | ankitg | cannot do the whole 9 to 5 thing ... |
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| 13:34.57 | eugene | ankitg: oh... |
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| 13:35.55 | ankitg | eugene: you sound disappointed ... |
| 13:36.11 | eugene | ankitg: haha, why should I ;) |
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| 13:38.30 | Garuma | lh: ping |
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| 13:38.59 | Ivanovic | Garuma: why don't you just ask your question? |
| 13:39.10 | Ivanovic | maybe it can be answered without waking "the boss" |
| 13:39.13 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 13:39.48 | Garuma | Ivanovic: it's not a question, just a typo bug in the GSoC statistics so I suppose she is the best placed to fix that :) |
| 13:40.01 | Garuma | s/placed/person/ |
| 13:40.01 | Ivanovic | ah, okay |
| 13:40.26 | Garuma | hu, there is sed bot here ? |
| 13:40.31 | Garuma | nice |
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| 13:42.31 | Garuma | but well, if someone else has super editing power line 154 and 175 in "Schools" tab should be merged |
| 13:44.24 | ojwb | other OSPO people probably can, but I'm not sure that any are here |
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| 13:44.37 | I_love_her | can you gimme the link of the stats |
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| 13:45.59 | viktorkrum | !numapps |
| 13:45.59 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
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| 13:48.38 | Garuma | I_love_her: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/03/google-summer-of-code-by-numbers.html |
| 13:49.13 | I_love_her | thanks Garuma |
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| 14:00.07 | I_love_her | the undergrad ration is constant all the years, interesting :/ |
| 14:00.13 | I_love_her | *ratio |
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| 14:04.09 | ujain | max participation from iit kharagpur from India :) |
| 14:05.07 | I_love_her | ujain: look at iitk participation from last year |
| 14:05.20 | ujain | yeah it equalled with iit kgp |
| 14:05.21 | ujain | good |
| 14:05.22 | ujain | :) |
| 14:05.42 | lifeeth | ujain, Wait and watch kiddo |
| 14:06.03 | ujain | I_love_her: yeah, i think iitk would have more participation this year. |
| 14:06.18 | I_love_her | yep buddy |
| 14:06.24 | ujain | lifeeth: hmm |
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| 14:06.56 | ankitg | lol, I am the only one from my uni to every complete a SoC project O_o ... |
| 14:07.17 | aghisla | ankitg: I am too :0 |
| 14:07.37 | ankitg | take that IIT =P |
| 14:07.53 | aghisla | and I'm not computer science student |
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| 14:08.37 | ujain | in iit kgp an architecture student is participating from last 4 years :P |
| 14:08.41 | ankitg | aghisla: what you studying? |
| 14:08.54 | aghisla | ankitg: natural sciences |
| 14:09.04 | I_love_her | ujain: gr8 |
| 14:09.23 | ujain | i_love_her: he actually started the trend .. was the first one :) |
| 14:09.56 | ankitg | nice |
| 14:10.29 | skbohra | I was the only one to participate last year, though not selected, this year we have 5-6 applications from our college :) |
| 14:10.49 | ujain | skbohra, ankitg and aghisla : which college ? |
| 14:11.03 | ujain | skbohra: Good luck :) |
| 14:11.05 | aghisla | university of Varese, near Milan in northern Italy |
| 14:11.12 | skbohra | ujain: engg college, bikaner Rajasthan |
| 14:11.26 | aghisla | skbohra: good trend! |
| 14:11.31 | Landon | ankitg: I'm the only one from mine too! :P |
| 14:11.34 | ujain | yep .. |
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| 14:11.46 | ankitg | ujain: Singapore Management University ... |
| 14:12.03 | ujain | ankitg: Management ? |
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| 14:12.13 | kartik_rustagi | not to forget their were 2 students from dce last year and approx 4-5 are trying this time :) |
| 14:12.25 | ankitg | Landon: too late ... the position of annoying only one from my university ever person has already been occupied =P |
| 14:12.27 | ankitg | ujain: yes, management =P |
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| 14:12.38 | ujain | kartik_rustagi: I think around 4-5 applied last year from dce .. |
| 14:12.44 | Landon | ankitg: fine, I'll just have to oneup |
| 14:12.49 | Landon | I'm the only student from my state, I think |
| 14:13.04 | Landon | (well, last year :P chances are the other years too though) |
| 14:13.04 | ujain | Landon: he he :D |
| 14:13.14 | viktorkrum | this year , its going to be high from NIT trichy too |
| 14:13.26 | kartik_rustagi | ujain, are you sure? I am from DCE only. |
| 14:13.29 | ujain | and bits pilani also i think |
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| 14:13.52 | ujain | kartik_rustagi: No, i m not. How can i be .. i just know ppl who applied last year. |
| 14:14.14 | ujain | ujain: and they told me that there are few more who have applied too |
| 14:14.23 | ujain | kartik_rustagi: above msg was for u |
| 14:14.48 | ujain | kartik_rustagi: u in 3rd year IT ? |
| 14:14.57 | kartik_rustagi | ujain: The two who were finally selected are from my class only |
| 14:14.59 | kartik_rustagi | yeah |
| 14:15.23 | ujain | P< |
| 14:15.23 | kartik_rustagi | ujain: Now how do you know/suspect that? |
| 14:15.41 | ujain | kartik_rustagi: 6th sense :D .. PMing u |
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| 14:19.31 | skbohra | Gtk+ or qt? what should I start with? any quick advice |
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| 14:19.47 | literal | which programming language? |
| 14:19.57 | skbohra | C++ |
| 14:20.15 | literal | hm, dunno then |
| 14:20.36 | bonsaikitten | Qt, of course ;) |
| 14:20.39 | literal | what will the program do and on which operating system(s) is it supposed to run on? |
| 14:21.50 | skbohra | I tried gladder it looks promising |
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| 14:29.22 | spectie | skbohra, gtk+ |
| 14:29.36 | bonsaikitten | gives up |
| 14:30.43 | MatthewWilkes | is surprised a gentoo developer is advocating anything but ncurses |
| 14:30.48 | MatthewWilkes | think of the compile times! |
| 14:30.50 | spectie | haha |
| 14:31.57 | skbohra | Qt has webkit support inbuilt, right? |
| 14:32.26 | AlekSi | yes |
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| 14:32.40 | AlekSi | prefers Qt for C++ |
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| 14:33.25 | skbohra | and gecko or webkit? |
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| 14:33.40 | AlekSi | webkit |
| 14:33.55 | AlekSi | (imho :) ) |
| 14:34.12 | summatusmentis | I've always heard webkit is faster |
| 14:34.39 | skbohra | faster? |
| 14:34.56 | summatusmentis | in terms of rendering pages |
| 14:35.10 | AlekSi | and JS is faster in WebKit |
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| 14:36.03 | MatthewWilkes | Aero and Trident! |
| 14:36.21 | MatthewWilkes | (otio) |
| 14:37.01 | skbohra | reason why google choose webkit for chrome |
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| 14:39.21 | skbohra | so gtk+ with webkit! |
| 14:39.59 | summatusmentis | I wish I had a way to get webkit speed with firefox compatibility |
| 14:40.55 | AlekSi | skbohra: why gtk+? :) |
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| 14:41.56 | skbohra | no such reason thought, but I couldn't get started with qt as easy, |
| 14:42.02 | skbohra | though* |
| 14:42.28 | borja | hey summatusmentis |
| 14:42.34 | borja | so did you apply to OpenAFS? |
| 14:42.39 | AlekSi | Qt _is_ easier. |
| 14:42.40 | summatusmentis | I did, aboslutely :) |
| 14:43.00 | skbohra | will give a try to qt now |
| 14:43.06 | borja | summatusmentis: cool :-) |
| 14:43.25 | summatusmentis | borja: I'm excited, I need to finish up the patch they want, but yeh :-D |
| 14:43.35 | borja | summatusmentis: did you apply for any other org? |
| 14:43.39 | summatusmentis | I didn't |
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| 14:47.12 | borja | summatusmentis: well, here's hoping you get in :-) |
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| 14:48.55 | rohyt | rohyt is happy here |
| 14:49.10 | summatusmentis | borja: I worked with them last year, I feel like my chances are pretty good |
| 14:49.29 | borja | awesome |
| 14:49.47 | summatusmentis | sà|
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| 14:50.05 | borja | summatusmentis: we actually got a lot of really great proposals this year; the mentors are having a hard time deciding which ones they like best |
| 14:50.13 | rohyt | http://www.mibbit.com/pb/pN4abP |
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| 14:50.47 | summatusmentis | borja: I think everyone is having that issue |
| 14:50.53 | borja | yeah |
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| 14:58.57 | mib_tvecfm | hey borja |
| 14:59.02 | mib_tvecfm | which org are you from? |
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| 15:00.30 | borja | mib_tvecfm: globus |
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| 15:01.48 | gangil | !numapp |
| 15:01.48 | socinfo | Error: "numapp" is not a valid command. |
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| 15:02.34 | nsquare | !numapps |
| 15:02.34 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
| 15:02.55 | gangil | thnx.. nsquare |
| 15:02.59 | nsquare | :) |
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| 15:03.44 | codelearner | today or next Monday? |
| 15:04.20 | mib_tvecfm | you guys started ranking proposals? |
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| 15:05.04 | borja | mib_tvecfm: our org has started; I'm pretty sure other orgs are busy ranking proposals too |
| 15:05.10 | TranT | hi |
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| 15:06.04 | codelearner | hi trant |
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| 15:07.05 | codelearner | the improvements / pates have a dead line too ? |
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| 15:07.20 | codelearner | s/pates/patches |
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| 15:12.08 | anothy_x | is there a way for a student to share a URL which will make her application visible? |
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| 15:12.25 | SRabbelier | anothy_x: no |
| 15:13.05 | codelearner | are they going to be publicly visible after 20th ? |
| 15:13.42 | codelearner | or they are always <hidden/> |
| 15:13.45 | anothy_x | i remember students having such a thing before the application deadline. was i sleep deprived, or did it change? |
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| 15:14.37 | SRabbelier | codelearner: we have a patch that will be applied today that will add a checkbox |
| 15:14.44 | SRabbelier | codelearner: so that students can make their proposal public |
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| 15:15.03 | codelearner | ok that will be nice :) |
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| 15:18.23 | ojwb | ooh, cool |
| 15:19.09 | anothy_x | agreed. very nice. |
| 15:19.16 | ojwb | SRabbelier: lh mentioned something about a button for mentors to allow students to make proposal modifications - is that happening this year, or was it a more distant future feature? |
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| 15:20.12 | codelearner | I hope after exams I'll be more involved with the organizations , join mailing lists, irc and helping in some sort of way, this is my first year. so it is taking time to understand how things work. |
| 15:20.14 | madrazr | SRabbelier: pingo |
| 15:20.34 | SRabbelier | ojwb: you should thank madrazr here for implementing that button and submitting a patch yesterday :) |
| 15:20.44 | SRabbelier | ojwb: we'll do our best to include the patch in today's release :) |
| 15:20.45 | aghisla | codelearner: don't be scared or anxious |
| 15:20.49 | ojwb | ah, great |
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| 15:20.59 | madrazr | SRabbelier: thanks actually for the help :) |
| 15:21.03 | Guest44360 | SRabbelier: hi :) much needed feature is "proposal diffs", like wikipedia has article diffs. do you think you can fix it? |
| 15:21.11 | ojwb | we have a student with some changes we asked for so I'll suggest he waits a few hours |
| 15:21.19 | borja | heh, I was going to ask about students being able to edit their proposals too |
| 15:21.23 | SRabbelier | Guest44360: sure, Il'l have it done in 42 seconds |
| 15:21.28 | SRabbelier | holds up his sarcasm sign just in case |
| 15:21.29 | borja | madrazr: thanks for writing a patch for this :) |
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| 15:21.42 | madrazr | borja: NP |
| 15:21.46 | madrazr | feels great! |
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| 15:23.33 | codelearner | aghisla : I am not scared, I think I am not competitive enough, and so I might get rejected, but for next year I want to be prepared. |
| 15:24.06 | aghisla | my last year's SoC started without knowing SVN nor Python |
| 15:24.12 | aghisla | and I was supposed to use both |
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| 15:25.09 | aghisla | I mean, if you have a least knowledge of your project and show interest and you learn things fast, it's enough |
| 15:25.09 | codelearner | ditto here no svn or git/ not a bit of python, am taking my first course in java and linux this sem. |
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| 15:25.35 | ojwb | madrazr: and thanks from me (and at least a couple of our students) too |
| 15:25.52 | aghisla | codelearner: then it's deep dive in open source programming! |
| 15:25.58 | madrazr | ojwb: NP. Wanted to see that myself :) |
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| 15:26.25 | madrazr | ojwb: I am curious to know which org are you from? |
| 15:26.37 | ojwb | swig |
| 15:26.56 | madrazr | ojwb: Oh! awesome! I love swig. But don't know how to use it :P |
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| 15:27.49 | codelearner | aghisla: but everyone starts at some point :) climb is steep , but I think I have some right pointers :) |
| 15:27.55 | borja | ojwb: cool, Dave Beazley was my OS professor here at UChicago ;-) He had a couple of students working on swig before he left the university |
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| 15:28.08 | borja | ojwb: Is he still involved in day-to-day stuff in swig? |
| 15:28.50 | ojwb | borja: not really - he has a kid I think, and had drifted away a bit even before that |
| 15:28.59 | ojwb | he might be mentoring this year though! |
| 15:29.04 | aghisla | codelearner: hope to see you in this SoC then :) |
| 15:29.40 | borja | ojwb: his OS course is, hands down, the best systems course I have ever taken. He actually made us implement an OS kernel in C from scratch. |
| 15:29.42 | codelearner | yeah I hope so if I did the time management thing right. :) |
| 15:30.06 | borja | It's one thing to read about how an OS manages virtual memory; writing your own virtual memory manager is a whole different story ;-) |
| 15:30.06 | brlcad | codelearner: be afraid, be very afraid! |
| 15:30.32 | ojwb | orgs don't want coding skills and nothing else |
| 15:30.47 | SRabbelier | ojwb: LIES! it's all lies! :P |
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| 15:31.04 | brlcad | codelearner: j/k of course, but a good dose of humility is usually good for most open source devs -- there's almost always someone more knowledgable than you in a given area |
| 15:31.05 | ojwb | an enthusiastic student is much easier to mentor than a genius with no interest |
| 15:31.13 | aghisla | go home - see you tomorrow somehow |
| 15:31.19 | ojwb | or a genius you can't keep pointed in the right direction |
| 15:31.27 | SRabbelier | ojwb: +1 |
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| 15:31.38 | ojwb | you do need the right basic skills for the project though |
| 15:31.40 | codelearner | I am :) it pinched from both sides, from the college and from this project. |
| 15:31.56 | ojwb | so don't apply for deep GCC hacking if you can barely code in C, etc |
| 15:32.22 | codelearner | my first questions got a remark like RTFMs and such so i do it on my own now :P |
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| 15:35.56 | codelearner | basic skills in c and C++ are there but it is a different world as how things are implemented in open source , more like someone who is from UK visits US and vice-versa. :P |
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| 15:37.12 | codelearner | good night all |
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| 16:42.19 | maruel | as a mentor, when I write a public comment, does that automatically send an email to the student? |
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| 16:42.41 | chunmun | maruel: if the student has subscribed to it, yes |
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| 16:43.18 | rajan | maruel: are you a mentor ? |
| 16:43.27 | maruel | chunmun: so I guess by default this means 'no' |
| 16:43.34 | ajuonline | maruel: right |
| 16:43.41 | ajuonline | rajan: thats obvious from his question :P |
| 16:43.49 | ajuonline | chunmun: yo! :P |
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| 16:44.06 | rajan | ajuonline: :P |
| 16:44.09 | chunmun | maruel: yes |
| 16:44.18 | chunmun | ajuonline:wassup?:) |
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| 16:44.37 | rajan | maruel: which org ? |
| 16:45.24 | maruel | rajan: that should be obvious too |
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| 16:47.21 | chunmun | maruel:you with google?? |
| 16:47.30 | maruel | chunmun: yes |
| 16:47.35 | rajan | maruel: why is that obvious ? :P anyways,I googled you :) |
| 16:47.41 | chunmun | maruel:nice :) |
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| 16:48.08 | chunmun | rajan:gotta be faster... :P |
| 16:48.14 | maruel | recalls he had set himself +i, sorry :) |
| 16:48.41 | ajuonline | what does that do maruel ? |
| 16:48.47 | pinkerton | i've got an eligibility question: can a student who graduates in June still participate? the FAQ just talks about who's eligible to apply. |
| 16:49.06 | ajuonline | pinkerton: if he is on roll, on April 20, 2009. yes he can. |
| 16:49.19 | chunmun | pinkerton:yes |
| 16:49.27 | pinkerton | ok, so even after he's graduated, it's ok? |
| 16:49.29 | chunmun | pinkerton:you should be enrolled on april 20th |
| 16:49.29 | ajuonline | chunmun: you dont have tab complete? |
| 16:49.35 | ajuonline | pinkerton: yeah, perfectly fine. |
| 16:49.40 | pinkerton | ok. thanks folks. |
| 16:49.46 | chunmun | ajuonline: ?? in irc?? |
| 16:50.01 | ajuonline | chunmun: yeah? ;) |
| 16:50.06 | maruel | ajuonline: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=irc |
| 16:50.28 | chunmun | ajuonline: never knew I had!!! |
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| 16:50.50 | ajuonline | maruel: booo! i have +i too, just wanted to confirm mif its for the same thing. i forgot. i suppose. |
| 16:50.53 | chunmun | ajuonline: +i == invisible mode apparently! |
| 16:50.58 | ajuonline | yeah |
| 16:51.01 | ajuonline | now i know :d |
| 16:51.24 | chunmun | and I now I ve tab complete in pidgin! |
| 16:51.31 | chunmun | how stupid of me! |
| 16:51.46 | ajuonline | chunmun: you are welcome :D |
| 16:51.47 | chunmun | Spent more than an year middle clicking on nicks! |
| 16:51.57 | chunmun | ajuonline: lolz! Thanks! |
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| 16:58.40 | Koyla | ..... |
| 16:58.59 | chunmun | Koyla: : hi |
| 16:59.01 | chunmun | :) |
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| 17:01.06 | funaki | chunmun hi |
| 17:01.21 | chunmun | funaki: hi |
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| 17:01.59 | nullpuppy | good morning #gsoc |
| 17:02.15 | Koyla | which college... |
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| 17:02.49 | t0ms | nullpuppy: good morning to you (eveno though it's 7pm for me:))) |
| 17:04.23 | nullpuppy | :) |
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| 17:05.48 | prea | is away: about to leave office... maybe same time zona as nullpuppy? :) |
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| 17:06.28 | Shannon90 | !numapps |
| 17:06.28 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
| 17:07.24 | smtms | are we still waiting for the "announcement on monday"? |
| 17:07.51 | ajuonline | of course - the announccement isnt out yet |
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| 17:08.46 | t0ms | I think it will be out at 7pm UTC |
| 17:09.02 | t0ms | (that's my guess) |
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| 17:11.36 | *** topic/#gsoc is Student Applications are now Closed - Help Needed with Melange Testing http://tinyurl.com/testmelange - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide - Updated Flyers & Program Presentations now the Wiki - Upload your screen casts, etc. to our YouTube Channel (details on mentors and students list) - This channel is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 17:11.52 | lh | !timeline |
| 17:11.52 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 17:12.24 | devvrat | !numapps |
| 17:12.24 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
| 17:12.57 | summatusmentis | how was Joomladay lh ? |
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| 17:15.21 | lh | summatusmentis: wonderful. i love unconferences. |
| 17:15.40 | tuxcanfly | says Hello |
| 17:15.51 | summatusmentis | lh: very cool :) |
| 17:16.24 | chx | lh: hi. ok, so students will reply. and how we will know about it? -- i will because the nice Melange developers namely SRabbelier subbed me to all of em |
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| 17:18.01 | lh | chx: SRabbelier can confirm, but if you are subbed to their proposals you should get notifications when the proposal is updated |
| 17:18.13 | SRabbelier | chx: 'tis as lh sez |
| 17:18.17 | SRabbelier | all is well |
| 17:18.19 | Ivanovic | hugs lh |
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| 17:18.28 | Ivanovic | how are you? |
| 17:18.33 | prea | is back |
| 17:18.38 | lh | Ivanovic: i am well thank you, you? |
| 17:18.42 | lh | really needs a nap |
| 17:18.45 | Ivanovic | i am fine |
| 17:18.54 | summatusmentis | yay naps! |
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| 17:19.23 | chx | lh: I mean, i do, awesome! but what about the other mentors? |
| 17:20.01 | Ivanovic | lh: i think we should add an additional entry in the faq for orgs: "how to make sure that there are not too many good students since too many good proposals will make your time harder when it comes to decide on choosing the students" |
| 17:20.02 | Ivanovic | ^^ |
| 17:20.32 | MatthewWilkes | Ivanovic: Sad but true ;) |
| 17:20.57 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: +1 |
| 17:21.08 | Ivanovic | and when i say "good proposals" i mean *great* proposals like this one: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeProposal_AI_Improvement_Crab |
| 17:21.11 | lh | chx: they can subscribe to the applications they want to get updates on |
| 17:21.20 | lh | Ivanovic: lol |
| 17:21.21 | Ivanovic | if i tried to print this i would end with *seveal* full pages |
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| 17:22.28 | saiyr | aren't proposals normally several pages? :| |
| 17:22.44 | Ivanovic | saiyr: but normally not *this* much |
| 17:22.47 | saiyr | maybe not that long...that's probably 10+ |
| 17:23.03 | Ivanovic | saiyr: and this is not our only one of this length |
| 17:23.09 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: holy boop |
| 17:23.13 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: how many of those do you have? |
| 17:23.16 | saiyr | i feel dwarfed |
| 17:23.17 | t0ms | integral: looks really good |
| 17:23.38 | Ivanovic | SRabbelier: enough to really make us read a long time |
| 17:23.38 | saiyr | i wrote two proposals at around 5 pages each i think |
| 17:23.40 | t0ms | Ivanovic: :) |
| 17:23.48 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: nice, nice :) |
| 17:24.07 | murph | wow, Ivanovic, that is an amazing proposal =-o |
| 17:24.22 | Ivanovic | okay, those *are* exceptional |
| 17:24.46 | Ivanovic | especially since the ones writing those proposals are also really active (working on patches and stuff like this) |
| 17:24.54 | mercurysquad | i think that proposal could be termed 'overkill' .... |
| 17:25.13 | mercurysquad | my own proposal(s) are 8-11 printed pages but nowhere as detailed as that one |
| 17:25.18 | Ivanovic | mercurysquad: in fact it can not, because it is one of the AI projects |
| 17:25.34 | Ivanovic | mercurysquad: we requested especially many details about those because they otherwise get out of scope too easily |
| 17:25.41 | devilsadvocate | mercurysquad, hey! |
| 17:25.52 | mercurysquad | devilsadvocate: :D sup |
| 17:26.35 | devilsadvocate | oh, this and that |
| 17:26.36 | mercurysquad | Ivanovic: hmm that explains it a bit. there probably was a lot of 2 way communication during which the proposal was refined. mine were limited to mailing list conversation, and the proposal was refined out of that |
| 17:26.46 | Ivanovic | mercurysquad: of course |
| 17:26.58 | Ivanovic | an important part for us this year is/was communication via irc |
| 17:27.00 | tierra | none of the 16 proposals in my org are nearly that detailed, heh |
| 17:27.05 | Ivanovic | without you basically have no chance to get in |
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| 17:27.25 | t0ms | tierra: what's your org? |
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| 17:27.33 | tierra | wxWidgets |
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| 17:27.42 | Ivanovic | tierra: not *all* of our proposals are this long |
| 17:27.50 | Ivanovic | several others: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeIdeas#GSoC_Student_pages |
| 17:28.05 | Corsix | wxWidgets got 16? of which 3 or 4 were ribbon? |
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| 17:29.26 | t0ms | Ivanovic: how many students are going to be accepted for wesnoth ? |
| 17:29.42 | Ivanovic | t0ms: we *hope* that we can make leslie give us 6 slots |
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| 17:29.53 | Ivanovic | no idea if this will work though... |
| 17:29.58 | Ivanovic | (we have 35 proposals) |
| 17:30.12 | Corsix | 35/5900*1000 ~=~ 6 |
| 17:30.28 | Ivanovic | Corsix: yeah, but we are not a foundation kind of org |
| 17:30.53 | Corsix | I thought initial assignments were straight up percentage of applications? |
| 17:30.55 | t0ms | Corsix: according to your formula, phpmyadmin has ~12 proposals :)) |
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| 17:32.16 | anothy_x | as i understand it, that's a first-order approximation. they take other things into account. |
| 17:32.26 | Ivanovic | jupp |
| 17:32.39 | Ivanovic | in general after this first round a +-2 is possible |
| 17:32.58 | Ivanovic | though i hope that we can get six slots since we got this many really great proposals and students to back them up |
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| 17:34.09 | anothy_x | we have about as many really good applications as i expected, but more really good mentors than i expected. |
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| 17:34.57 | Ivanovic | anothy_x: hey, this is better than the other way around |
| 17:34.58 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 17:35.19 | anothy_x | indeed. |
| 17:35.39 | murph | anyone know how many proposals KDE got? :) |
| 17:35.45 | Ivanovic | murph: ask them |
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| 17:37.29 | saiyr | i think someone said over 90, didn't they? |
| 17:37.47 | murph | wow. they say a bit > 220 |
| 17:37.56 | nullpuppy | wow |
| 17:37.58 | Ivanovic | uff, this is *a lot* |
| 17:38.03 | t0ms | mhm, i would like to know about the number of proposals for phpmyadmin |
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| 17:38.51 | kblin | ask them |
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| 17:39.33 | murph | !numapps |
| 17:39.33 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
| 17:40.50 | mercurysquad | 5900! |
| 17:41.08 | mercurysquad | wow, i was in this channel until 1.5 hr before the deadline and there were 5200 apps |
| 17:41.36 | Ivanovic | yeah, there were really many last min submissions |
| 17:41.42 | kblin | yeah |
| 17:41.57 | Ivanovic | (and don't ask about the quality of them, they are not always the best submissions...) |
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| 17:42.08 | kblin | but at least for Worldforge, the ones we got in the last few hours are.. well.. |
| 17:42.08 | firesoul | any idea on how many proposals did wf have |
| 17:42.09 | firesoul | ? |
| 17:42.19 | nullpuppy | does anyone know how many were accepted last year? |
| 17:42.26 | firesoul | World Forge |
| 17:42.33 | typ0 | an interesting ratio for students to know |
| 17:42.36 | kblin | firesoul: 21 |
| 17:42.40 | saiyr | nullpuppy: 1125 |
| 17:42.46 | nullpuppy | saiyr: ok. thanks. |
| 17:42.52 | typ0 | would be number of ideas of an organization / students accepted |
| 17:43.02 | kblin | no |
| 17:43.08 | nullpuppy | that sounds backwards |
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| 17:43.19 | kblin | typ0: won't work |
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| 17:44.21 | kblin | typ0: assuming an org has a lot of ideas but few mentors, you'll get a low percentage |
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| 17:44.34 | typ0 | yeah |
| 17:44.45 | Corsix | and student proposals aren't limited to the ideas list |
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| 17:51.58 | t0ms | is there anyone applying for fedora? |
| 17:52.06 | ajuonline | hugs lh |
| 17:52.40 | lh | ajuonline: hello my dear |
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| 17:53.00 | MesutCanGurle | !next |
| 17:53.00 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 17:53.00 | kblin | hail lh |
| 17:54.06 | ajuonline | lh: how was vegas? ;) |
| 17:54.18 | olegfink | why everyone someone triggers !next it returns the same? kinda counterintuitive. |
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| 17:54.34 | olegfink | whoops, s/everyone/when/ |
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| 17:55.17 | icez | olegfink, next step in the overall gsoc process... |
| 17:55.21 | skiquel | lh has arisen |
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| 17:56.20 | lh | skiquel: arisen is right. from the dead. |
| 17:56.22 | lh | kblin: hail |
| 17:56.24 | lh | ajuonline: omg. |
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| 17:56.46 | antarus | fears the zombie lh |
| 17:56.47 | ajuonline | lh: ? :/ |
| 17:56.55 | lh | http://www.taolasvegas.com/taobeach/ |
| 17:57.00 | lh | got invited to conference after party |
| 17:57.16 | lh | was fed 6 course dinner then placed into a cabana with bottle service |
| 17:57.18 | lh | at that club |
| 17:57.19 | lh | omg. |
| 17:57.26 | lh | a-mazing. |
| 17:57.33 | ajuonline | heck yeah |
| 17:57.34 | lh | plus i was fed champagne. |
| 17:57.38 | lh | oh my. |
| 17:57.42 | lh | i feel completely spoiled. |
| 17:57.44 | lh | also tired. |
| 17:57.45 | lh | :) |
| 17:57.56 | lh | but it was a total blast. danced from 11 PM to 4 AM. |
| 17:58.09 | ajuonline | lol |
| 17:58.11 | ajuonline | fun fun |
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| 17:58.17 | lh | antarus: the zombie lh can be warded off with coffee |
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| 17:58.49 | Ivanovic | lh: uhm, i thought the normal lh needed coffee to function properly anyway? |
| 17:58.50 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 17:59.13 | lh | Ivanovic: this is also true. |
| 17:59.15 | harlan | lh: I filled out the "what do this year's applications look like" last night. Do I recall you also wanted something about an initial slot guess? |
| 17:59.43 | Ivanovic | harlan: just add this in the profile |
| 17:59.47 | Ivanovic | the projects profile stuff |
| 18:00.03 | harlan | Ivanovic: ?? |
| 18:00.09 | Ivanovic | there is an option for "desired slots" |
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| 18:00.24 | harlan | Ok - so I should update that "soon"? |
| 18:00.31 | Ivanovic | "Edit Organization Profile"->"Slots desired:" |
| 18:00.34 | Ivanovic | *very* soon |
| 18:00.42 | harlan | does that now. |
| 18:00.43 | Ivanovic | it has to be update in ~48h IIRC |
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| 18:02.54 | anothy_x | we're still working through which mentors are wiling to mentor which proposals. we won't have a highly reliable number until that's done. do i understand correctly that it's better to go slightly high and then "give back" slots? |
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| 18:03.24 | Ivanovic | anothy_x: yes |
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| 18:04.21 | lh | harlan: yes the initial slot numbers count is very important |
| 18:04.27 | lh | Ivanovic: thanks for the pointer for harlan |
| 18:04.38 | harlan | On the slot estimate, which end of the range should we go for? |
| 18:04.51 | lh | anothy_x: yes slightly high, where slightly is "around 1 more than you think you will want" only |
| 18:04.54 | Ivanovic | harlan: on the end that you want to mentor and *can* mentor |
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| 18:05.02 | harlan | OK, thanks! |
| 18:05.07 | lh | harlan: a little over what you think you can do is better than less, but that is because you have experience. |
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| 18:05.16 | lh | less experienced, ask for less. you will be happy you did. |
| 18:05.16 | harlan | got it - thanks! |
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| 18:05.45 | harlan | :) |
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| 18:05.53 | rszulgo | when it'll be known how many slots has each of org ? |
| 18:06.09 | Ivanovic | rszulgo: it will finally be known on april 20th |
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| 18:06.28 | Ivanovic | though *really early* numbers are maybe out on thursday |
| 18:06.30 | rszulgo | eh... what a pity.. |
| 18:06.55 | rszulgo | oo, and that's a good news! |
| 18:06.55 | Ivanovic | ("really early" means a first guess on the slots, so that orgs can start to really plan and assign) |
| 18:07.00 | makmanalp | lh: here's a question: i'm an international student in the US, but i will be going back home for summer. so, should i submit a foreign certification form? |
| 18:07.35 | lh | as long as you do no work whatsoever in the usa you submit the foreign certification form |
| 18:07.49 | lh | if you do any work here, you need us work authorization plus work authorization for yoru home country |
| 18:07.54 | lh | and will have to pay taxes in both placews |
| 18:07.55 | lh | ugh |
| 18:07.55 | makmanalp | right, i'll be going back at may and coming back at the eng of august |
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| 18:08.09 | makmanalp | so i guess i won't be doing any work here |
| 18:08.21 | makmanalp | *end of august |
| 18:08.34 | makmanalp | thanks |
| 18:09.09 | Ivanovic | as much as google is concerned work starts on may 23rd |
| 18:09.25 | Ivanovic | and ends on august 17th |
| 18:09.49 | Ivanovic | so only for this timeframe you are under contract and it depends on where you work in this time |
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| 18:11.48 | makmanalp | Ivanovic: i thought so, thank you. |
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| 18:14.47 | Ivanovic | how will conflicts be marked in melange and starting when? |
| 18:15.29 | mercurysquad | i'm wondering too |
| 18:15.31 | Ivanovic | i remember last year, there only conflicts were shown when the students were above the "golden line" in (at least) two orgs and they had a mentor assigned at least in those two orgs |
| 18:15.41 | mercurysquad | last year we had "status: mentor assigned" which was a big rush :P |
| 18:15.46 | mercurysquad | anything similar this year? |
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| 18:16.47 | Ivanovic | strangely atm all the stuff is shown as pending for us though we have mentors assigned already |
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| 18:17.54 | harlan | lh: thanks a bunch re NIST. |
| 18:18.26 | lh | harlan: my pleasure |
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| 18:28.13 | chx | I think this comment wins them all "Of course, this project should not take 3 months, but I think this module will be useful, and based on my experience and my friends working with Drupal. And why would not realize it now." |
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| 18:31.13 | Ivanovic | chx: sounds like a clear case of "yeah, want him" |
| 18:31.24 | chx | indeed |
| 18:36.06 | skiquel | AlexUA_: sup |
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| 18:36.55 | AlexUA_ | skiquel: hey hey |
| 18:37.01 | skiquel | chx: did you see my comment on the emergecy drupal module? |
| 18:37.18 | ThomasWaldmann | moin |
| 18:38.30 | skiquel | chx: "Drupal Crisis Management Module" |
| 18:40.25 | chx | skiquel: i will check them all |
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| 18:42.30 | ThomasWaldmann | btw, were there many students not managing to apply in the correct part of the gsoc webapp? |
| 18:43.36 | hypa7ia | ThomasWaldmann: i got 3 emailed applications |
| 18:43.40 | lh | ThomasWaldmann: not afaik |
| 18:43.46 | hypa7ia | one guy tried to install melange :s |
| 18:43.48 | lh | hypa7ia: did you tell them to put them into the web application? |
| 18:43.52 | lh | snickers |
| 18:43.56 | lifeeth | :) |
| 18:43.58 | makmanalp | hypa7ia: heh |
| 18:44.03 | hypa7ia | lh: two came in after the deadline, the other tried to install melange |
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| 18:44.08 | [particle] | non-native speakers, maybe? |
| 18:44.22 | lh | hypa7ia: oh my. |
| 18:44.23 | [particle] | is in benefit-of-doubt mode |
| 18:44.26 | ThomasWaldmann | problem is that I got a mail after the deadline from some student telling he applied before the deadline, but was unsure if it worked (it didn't). |
| 18:44.38 | hypa7ia | possibly, but also i think didn't read my email back to him which said "apply at this link" |
| 18:44.43 | hypa7ia | lh: yeah :/ |
| 18:44.54 | dhaun | I've seen a few cases mentioned where students created a document instead of using the submission link (not with our project, though) |
| 18:44.54 | hypa7ia | ThomasWaldmann: unlikely |
| 18:44.54 | lh | hypa7ia: you win some, you lose some, the rest get rained out. |
| 18:45.01 | hypa7ia | ThomasWaldmann: but check with melange |
| 18:45.15 | hypa7ia | lh: indeed |
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| 18:45.33 | ThomasWaldmann | he obviously created an account in the gsoc app and put his application into a document below his account. |
| 18:45.33 | lh | dhaun: saw that in two cases. both claimed that they had applied on time but both documents were created post deadline so i am a bit suspect |
| 18:45.43 | hypa7ia | oh, haha |
| 18:45.45 | hypa7ia | cute |
| 18:45.50 | hypa7ia | (not) |
| 18:45.58 | dhaun | lh: hmm, okay |
| 18:46.33 | dhaun | but people were confused about the Create Document link, even way before the deadline |
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| 18:46.38 | ThomasWaldmann | i told him to c&p to an email to me, but that there is not much hope. |
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| 18:46.55 | ThomasWaldmann | he is korean and has a bit problems with english. |
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| 18:47.06 | lh | knows people are never going to read the manual, but it was there to point people to |
| 18:47.57 | saiyr | i think flashing marquee on the proposal link next year is the solution |
| 18:48.16 | ThomasWaldmann | i didn't hear of the student until after the deadline |
| 18:48.31 | lh | ThomasWaldmann: yeah, bad sign right there. |
| 18:48.49 | ThomasWaldmann | saiyr: right from dr. evils web design department :P |
| 18:48.52 | fortyseventeen | saiyr: seconded |
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| 18:49.20 | fortyseventeen | nyeheheh. |
| 18:49.37 | saiyr | on a more serious note though, bolding it might help ;)...maybe |
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| 18:49.57 | alasdair | can you not just disable the create a new document link? and then maybe have the submit link slightly bolder? |
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| 18:50.16 | ThomasWaldmann | let's see what he copy&pastes. if it is crap anyway, we'll just forget about it. |
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| 18:51.12 | straszheim | SubmiTMND it |
| 18:51.57 | ThomasWaldmann | quality was somehow proportional to deadline distance |
| 18:53.00 | ThomasWaldmann | btw, right now I am doing a simple python test with the students. :) |
| 18:53.25 | mwilkes|phone | ThomasWaldmann: do tell! |
| 18:53.53 | hypa7ia | alasdair: people used the documents in their apps |
| 18:53.56 | hypa7ia | correctly |
| 18:54.02 | lh | alasdair: sounds like a great feature request for melange - http://www.tinyurl.com/new-issue |
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| 18:54.41 | ThomasWaldmann | mwilkes|phone: hm? i can't publish it, but I am willing to share it with other admins/mentors. |
| 18:54.48 | saiyr | hypa7ia: what for? |
| 18:55.10 | mwilkes|phone | ThomasWaldmann: it was just idle curiosity |
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| 18:57.21 | makmanalp | ThomasWaldmann: just out of curiosity, can you post the questions you asked after your test is done? i'd be interested in seeing what sorts of things are asked in a test like that. |
| 18:58.26 | hypa7ia | saiyr: code samples, additional info |
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| 18:58.51 | saiyr | i see |
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| 19:00.41 | ThomasWaldmann | makmanalp: it is just a simple python coding task. |
| 19:01.00 | makmanalp | oh, okay |
| 19:01.10 | ThomasWaldmann | and I guess I rather keep it closed for next year :D |
| 19:01.12 | makmanalp | that's what you mean by test |
| 19:01.29 | mwilkes|phone | ThomasWaldmann: the simple ones are often fun to mess with |
| 19:01.29 | makmanalp | pshh, you should change it from year to year. those things tend to leak pretty fast |
| 19:01.36 | ThomasWaldmann | there is also a interview for the ones that were rather good in the test |
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| 19:01.39 | mwilkes|phone | golfing, lambdas, etc |
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| 19:03.32 | ThomasWaldmann | mwilkes|phone: yes, for a relaxed python geek it was really simply. for a somehow stress python geek it was less simple, for a stressed out-of-training python coder it was a bit hard. |
| 19:04.32 | ThomasWaldmann | but I don't overvalue the result of the first test. It is rather to find the candidates who don't get anything right at all. |
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| 19:05.03 | makmanalp | that should do the trick, yes |
| 19:05.14 | Stivo | you are doing selections with coding tasks? |
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| 19:05.37 | ThomasWaldmann | it will contribute to scoring, but isn't everything. |
| 19:05.43 | makmanalp | Stivo: i'm sure he's using it as a factor |
| 19:06.51 | Stivo | interesting approach... |
| 19:06.53 | ThomasWaldmann | (and the task is really simple, it is also a bit a style test and a test about how careful the student is) |
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| 19:07.52 | hub | hi, any admin/mentor for the Haiku project |
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| 19:07.54 | ThomasWaldmann | we had one student last year who had major coding and logic problems. we just want to avoid major pain for the students (and also for us :D ). |
| 19:08.11 | Stivo | yeah, understandable |
| 19:09.28 | ThomasWaldmann | btw, we had one known-good python coder beta-testing the test. he gave us a good metric. :) |
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| 19:11.46 | Stivo | btw do you know yet how many students you get? |
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| 19:18.20 | ThomasWaldmann | Stivo: you won't get more than you ask for |
| 19:18.34 | ThomasWaldmann | but how many you get you do not know right now. |
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| 19:19.11 | ThomasWaldmann | but assuming n>=1 is likely also safe |
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| 19:21.31 | Stivo | so you first go through your applications, ask for a certain amount and then the spots are distributed among the organizations? |
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| 19:23.53 | smtms | Stivo, you say what's the maximum number of students that you can handle, then orgs get slots ~proportional to the number of applying students |
| 19:24.10 | Stivo | ok thanks... |
| 19:24.20 | Stivo | I just found the document again now... |
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| 19:24.44 | Ownatik | may I get a link to it please? |
| 19:24.51 | Stivo | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 19:25.05 | Ownatik | thanks |
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| 19:40.12 | the9a3eedi | I haven't gotten a comment yet on one of my proposals :( (it's the proposal I'm most interested in) |
| 19:40.37 | the9a3eedi | one of my two proposals i mean |
| 19:40.47 | smtms | the9a3eedi, go bug your mentors |
| 19:41.00 | smtms | the9a3eedi, "hey, where are your comments!?" |
| 19:41.11 | the9a3eedi | but that would be rude, yes? |
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| 19:41.25 | t0ms | the9a3eedi: try to write it in more polite way :) |
| 19:41.36 | smtms | the9a3eedi, it would be |
| 19:42.11 | the9a3eedi | thinks up of a polite way |
| 19:42.44 | the9a3eedi | hmm.. what if.. i asked about whether they actually comment on their proposals in the first placE? |
| 19:43.05 | the9a3eedi | or if theres a "guarantee" that they'll be commenting :P |
| 19:43.14 | kblin | nah |
| 19:43.14 | smtms | the9a3eedi, "should I expect a comment"? |
| 19:43.15 | Landon | "Hey guys, I'm kind of worried about my proposal since there aren't any comments on it" |
| 19:43.28 | kblin | I'd just ask for feedback on your proposal |
| 19:43.53 | summatusmentis | say something like "I'm very interested in this particular proposal, and I was just touching base to see what the communities thoughts on it are. Any feedback would be appreciated" |
| 19:44.00 | the9a3eedi | hmmm |
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| 19:44.11 | the9a3eedi | copy pastes summatusmentis's text |
| 19:44.12 | the9a3eedi | :P |
| 19:44.18 | summatusmentis | by all means :) |
| 19:44.22 | the9a3eedi | lol |
| 19:44.39 | summatusmentis | anything I say in this channel is licensed under creative commons attribution license |
| 19:44.55 | smtms | haha :-) |
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| 19:45.00 | the9a3eedi | sure |
| 19:45.14 | the9a3eedi | mine is proprietary |
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| 19:45.23 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: you'll regret that when i publish your next pulitzer winning blurb |
| 19:45.25 | the9a3eedi | by displaying my text's source code on your IRC client, I can sue you |
| 19:45.40 | summatusmentis | makmanalp: attribution, you have to cite me :) |
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| 19:45.54 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: that's fine! |
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| 19:47.42 | summatusmentis | makmanalp: you're... a junior this year? |
| 19:47.56 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: sophomore now, junior next year |
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| 19:48.15 | summatusmentis | oh that's right, same year as me |
| 19:48.16 | summatusmentis | I knew that |
| 19:48.22 | makmanalp | yeah |
| 19:48.23 | makmanalp | :) |
| 19:48.24 | summatusmentis | for some reason I thought you started before me |
| 19:48.30 | the9a3eedi | sues kblin for IRC harrassment and disturbance of the IRC peace |
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| 19:48.32 | Landon | me too! |
| 19:48.39 | summatusmentis | Landon: no one cares >_> |
| 19:48.44 | the9a3eedi | (and other bs I can think of) |
| 19:48.44 | Landon | yeah well |
| 19:48.47 | Landon | I'm the only person from KSU |
| 19:48.48 | Landon | EVER |
| 19:48.48 | summatusmentis | <3s Landon |
| 19:48.51 | kblin | the9a3eedi: good luck on that |
| 19:48.53 | Landon | suck on them cookies |
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| 19:49.08 | summatusmentis | Landon: I was the only person from *.umn.edu last year |
| 19:49.42 | Landon | EVER |
| 19:49.50 | nullpuppy | do they release a list of counts from each school? |
| 19:49.52 | summatusmentis | ha |
| 19:49.55 | makmanalp | i'll probably be the 4th prom wpi (i hope) |
| 19:49.59 | makmanalp | *from |
| 19:50.06 | makmanalp | i knew the 3rd |
| 19:50.11 | Landon | nullpuppy: yeah, theres a stats doc floating around |
| 19:50.12 | Landon | !stats |
| 19:50.12 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 19:50.14 | Landon | not that |
| 19:50.15 | Landon | hm |
| 19:50.16 | summatusmentis | nullpuppy: I think so? |
| 19:50.19 | summatusmentis | ha |
| 19:50.30 | makmanalp | one second, i had it |
| 19:50.33 | nullpuppy | ok |
| 19:50.39 | summatusmentis | makmanalp: there was Toba before you, and 2 more before him? |
| 19:50.43 | makmanalp | http://ping.fm/3JP7o |
| 19:50.47 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: yup |
| 19:50.53 | summatusmentis | ok |
| 19:51.07 | Toba | 2 more before me? |
| 19:51.09 | Toba | TROLLOP |
| 19:51.59 | Toba | I mean |
| 19:52.00 | Toba | oh |
| 19:52.09 | summatusmentis | heh |
| 19:52.30 | nullpuppy | hmm, 3 total from my school (digipen) |
| 19:52.48 | nullpuppy | only 1 last year. |
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| 19:52.52 | summatusmentis | thre's been at least 1 other from my school, that I'm aware of |
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| 19:56.35 | kblin | hi allman |
| 19:57.26 | ajuonline | hails allman |
| 19:57.42 | harlan | waves |
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| 19:59.19 | makmanalp | Toba: heh |
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| 20:31.34 | dmitrig01|afk | kblin: hi |
| 20:31.43 | kblin | hi dmitrig01 |
| 20:32.07 | tierra | who was foolish enough to give scorche ops? :P |
| 20:32.07 | kblin | brlcad: ping |
| 20:32.07 | ajuonline | high fives dmitrig01 |
| 20:32.18 | kblin | tierra: chanserv |
| 20:32.29 | ajuonline | tierra: it has always been so. |
| 20:32.33 | dmitrig01 | hello ajuonline |
| 20:32.47 | ajuonline | probably even before you were born, scorche|sh hsa been ops |
| 20:33.08 | tierra | I doubt that, especially since I'm about 4 years older than scorche |
| 20:33.09 | ajuonline | dmitrig01: how are you doing? |
| 20:33.26 | ajuonline | tierra: but you were born on the irc way after him, i am sure. |
| 20:33.27 | ajuonline | :D |
| 20:33.32 | dmitrig01 | ajuonline: good |
| 20:33.38 | tierra | heh |
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| 20:39.03 | dmitrig01 | when does proposal ranking period end? |
| 20:39.17 | Catfish_Man | !next |
| 20:39.17 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 20:39.19 | Ivanovic | effectively on april 20th |
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| 20:39.37 | rwcr | In practice things will be mostly ironed out by April 15th, because that's duplicate resolution meeting. |
| 20:39.41 | Ivanovic | that is: your org might have a ranking done several days before this |
| 20:40.16 | Ivanovic | but due to the meeting on april 15th things can change again resulting in "interesting changes" with the allocations |
| 20:40.23 | Ivanovic | so the real final ranking is april 20th |
| 20:40.51 | kblin | dmitrig01: are you mentoring for drupal again this year? |
| 20:40.58 | dmitrig01 | kblin: yeah |
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| 20:43.23 | Landon | summatusmentis: http://blog.lfowles.org for many lulz |
| 20:43.25 | harlan | lh: the % of 'would go-ahead' proposals in the survey threw me a bit. I even had to do arithmetic. It would be different (maybe better, maybe worse) to have asked: How may eligible proposals do you have? How many of them would you like to proceed with? (or something) |
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| 20:43.52 | Ivanovic | harlan: yeah, this questions would have been better |
| 20:44.14 | Ivanovic | especially without the attached "feeling" of "very good" and such |
| 20:44.34 | harlan | and then there is the issue of "how many students applied for projects" and "how many of those students seemed like they would be good students?" |
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| 20:47.45 | kblin | isn't that kind of pointless to discuss now? |
| 20:48.03 | Ivanovic | kblin: collecting ideas for next year |
| 20:48.08 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 20:49.02 | kblin | harlan: it's actually pretty simple |
| 20:49.13 | kblin | there's more mentors than lhs |
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| 20:49.27 | Ivanovic | hmm, how to solve this problem? |
| 20:49.33 | Ivanovic | how far are cloning technologies? |
| 20:49.38 | Ivanovic | can we create more lh? |
| 20:49.55 | kblin | so it's better to have the mentors do the arithmetic, rather than having lh do it |
| 20:50.04 | ajuonline | creates lh_2ed |
| 20:50.41 | Catfish_Man | ajuonline: dude, no. 2ed rules were so frickin' complicated |
| 20:51.02 | ajuonline | :P |
| 20:51.02 | Ivanovic | ajuonline: only a point release |
| 20:51.12 | ajuonline | Catfish_Man: i can haz fishzzzz? |
| 20:51.16 | Catfish_Man | NO |
| 20:51.32 | kblin | wouldn't just a couple of copies be sufficient? |
| 20:51.53 | Ivanovic | kblin: a couple ain't enough |
| 20:52.06 | Ivanovic | *really many* copies |
| 20:52.17 | harlan | kblin: the app can do the math. |
| 20:52.46 | harlan | and even produce graphs from the data. |
| 20:53.01 | Ivanovic | loves this stats stuff... |
| 20:53.15 | harlan | and as melange "continues" there can be historical data and graphs, if that would be useful. |
| 20:53.15 | ajuonline | !stats |
| 20:53.15 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 20:53.20 | Ivanovic | harlan: but here the different "scoring guidelines" come in again |
| 20:53.20 | ajuonline | Ivanovic: this? |
| 20:53.35 | Ivanovic | ajuonline: no, was a general comment regarding statistics |
| 20:54.11 | ajuonline | yeah but i want to know how many from my college applied |
| 20:54.12 | Ivanovic | harlan: since some rules say "we don't consider a student without a patch", others say (at least we do so) "no communication via irc and you have basically zero chance to get in" |
| 20:54.17 | ajuonline | they write my name in different ways :/ |
| 20:54.28 | harlan | Ivanovic: not if the choices are 1) ... 95%? 2) ... 90%? 3) ... 85%? ... |
| 20:54.30 | ajuonline | so if there is an exact string match, i'd never know |
| 20:54.30 | Ivanovic | so those would drastically drop the numbers |
| 20:54.49 | harlan | and I take your point otherwise. |
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| 20:55.13 | Ivanovic | so all i would say is "your general impression of the applications is:" |
| 20:55.44 | Ivanovic | and then only the terms explaining that the ratio of students you want to continue working with compared to the overall number should affect this |
| 20:56.13 | Ivanovic | (no percentage or anything like this attached, just a plain "gut feeling") |
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| 20:57.22 | Ivanovic | doing this eval overly formal won't work out anyway |
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| 20:59.25 | kblin | harlan: if the choices are in 5% steps, you really need to do maths |
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| 21:00.05 | kblin | harlan: if they're 100%, 90%, 75%, 50%, I can just give a rough estimate |
| 21:00.23 | harlan | OK, and I still wonder why the app can't ask me for X out of Y and insert the math itself. |
| 21:00.35 | harlan | right. |
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| 21:03.01 | lh | does not advocate creating more lh |
| 21:03.14 | kblin | harlan: I just think we're going way overboard here trying to overengineer this |
| 21:03.25 | summatusmentis | why are we making more lh? |
| 21:03.26 | Catfish_Man | kblin: remember: gloves |
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| 21:03.44 | ajuonline | yo she is trinity. |
| 21:03.45 | ajuonline | :D |
| 21:03.48 | harlan | 'k |
| 21:03.51 | joekidd | Hi. |
| 21:03.58 | joekidd | I have a question about gsoc |
| 21:04.05 | ArthurLiu | joekidd, shoot |
| 21:04.12 | Ivanovic | summatusmentis: to share the workload lh has to handle |
| 21:04.14 | lh | i really wish i was that cool ajuonline |
| 21:04.26 | ajuonline | lh: your way too cooler ;) :P |
| 21:04.32 | summatusmentis | Ivanovic: can you make more summatusmentis too? |
| 21:04.38 | lh | ajuonline: thanks dear |
| 21:04.38 | ajuonline | oh noes |
| 21:04.40 | Landon | ajuonline: she's Morpheus |
| 21:04.41 | Landon | of course |
| 21:04.43 | ajuonline | no more summatusmentis please please please! |
| 21:04.44 | joekidd | There is a problem because I applied to open office no by application form on their website but by email. Moreover I have an account of google |
| 21:04.48 | lh | Landon: i would rather be trinity |
| 21:04.50 | Ivanovic | summatusmentis: we are currently just thinking about which *options* we have to achieve something like this |
| 21:04.58 | MatthewWilkes | Has nobody seen /Multiplicity/? Copying people ends badly! |
| 21:04.58 | ajuonline | Landon: trinity kicks ass |
| 21:04.59 | Ivanovic | and so far it does not look promising |
| 21:05.04 | joekidd | So is there a chance to apply for this project? |
| 21:05.05 | Landon | lh: I'm sorry, but you gotta be less cool then :P |
| 21:05.07 | lh | joekidd: you had to apply via the gsoc 2009 site, http://socghop.appsot.com |
| 21:05.07 | ArthurLiu | joekidd, did you apply on socghop.appspot.com ? |
| 21:05.09 | lh | Landon: noted |
| 21:05.22 | harlan | Re the duplicate detection stuff, should we start to rank proposals soon? |
| 21:05.27 | ajuonline | Landon: morpheus is bald! |
| 21:05.29 | joekidd | I created an account and applied for a few projects. |
| 21:05.32 | Catfish_Man | harlan: yes |
| 21:05.35 | kblin | harlan: sure |
| 21:05.35 | Landon | but he's got sweet glasses! |
| 21:05.37 | harlan | 'k, thanks |
| 21:05.41 | lh | harlan: yes, assign mentors too please |
| 21:05.45 | joekidd | But on OO I couldnt find form to apply |
| 21:05.50 | joekidd | So I send them email |
| 21:05.53 | MatthewWilkes | oh, and kblin! ajuonline! Ivanovic! lh! Landon! summatusmentis! Catfish_Man! (… that's enough) |
| 21:05.55 | harlan | 'k, thanks |
| 21:06.04 | Ivanovic | wooot?!? |
| 21:06.08 | joekidd | Email was given on their gsoc site |
| 21:06.08 | ajuonline | MatthewWilkes: you alright today? ;) ? |
| 21:06.11 | ArthurLiu | is preparing his shortlist of projects (not nominatively students) for tuesday/wednesday for a post on debian-devel@lists.debian.org |
| 21:06.13 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: what? I wasn't following |
| 21:06.26 | Ivanovic | we already have done a (very preliminary) ranking and mentor matching... |
| 21:06.27 | MatthewWilkes | just hi |
| 21:06.33 | Ivanovic | hi MatthewWilkes |
| 21:06.33 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: ohi |
| 21:06.41 | ajuonline | MatthewWilkes: OHAIIIII! |
| 21:06.55 | harlan | what is the range we can use for ranking? |
| 21:06.57 | joekidd | lh: sorry for my style of writing but I do not use irc very often |
| 21:06.59 | MatthewWilkes | ajuonline: and yeah, I'm good, got a day of consultancy tomorrow, looking forward to it :) |
| 21:07.07 | lh | joekidd: it's all good |
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| 21:07.12 | lh | MatthewWilkes: hello dear |
| 21:07.18 | lh | harlan: up to you how to do ranking |
| 21:07.28 | ajuonline | lh: i got the shipment info. thanks! ;) |
| 21:07.32 | lh | harlan: we only care about your top N proposals, where N = the number of slots you are allocated |
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| 21:07.42 | ArthurLiu | harlan, we do: heaven: > 1, limbo: = 1, earth: = 0, purgatory: = -1, hell: < -1 |
| 21:07.42 | lh | ajuonline: you are welcome, will pass along your thanks to ellenko |
| 21:07.52 | ArthurLiu | and shortlist from > 1 |
| 21:07.53 | joekidd | lh: I created an account and applied for a few projects. But on OO I couldnt find form to apply so I send them email |
| 21:08.01 | Catfish_Man | hah |
| 21:08.05 | Catfish_Man | Dante's GSoC |
| 21:08.11 | joekidd | lh: email was given on their website on gsoc |
| 21:08.13 | ajuonline | lh: i did already to her. :D this was for you :D |
| 21:08.17 | lh | joekidd: i think you needed to look under go openoffice |
| 21:08.17 | harlan | so any positive number? Shuold we avoid duplicate numbering and come up with a clean ranking? |
| 21:08.22 | lh | ajuonline: awesome |
| 21:08.33 | lh | harlan: not necessary, but likely easiest to do that from your perspective |
| 21:08.46 | Ivanovic | harlan: do it any way you like |
| 21:08.50 | joekidd | lh: Yes I was looking there but I made a mistake and send email. No fill the form. |
| 21:08.56 | harlan | OK, I may have some duplicate ranking numbers then. Are the rankings public? |
| 21:09.02 | Ivanovic | that is: you can even work with: 0: want to mentor, <0: get away! |
| 21:09.07 | MatthewWilkes | Catfish_Man: Abandon all EULAs, ye who enter here? |
| 21:09.31 | joekidd | lh: The project is very interesting and I dont want to wait another year to participate in it in gsoc |
| 21:10.00 | joekidd | lh: is there a way to be able to take part in it in this year |
| 21:10.02 | harlan | and if I rank one project as 1 and another as 2, which one has the "better" rank? |
| 21:10.17 | kblin | joekidd: I'm afraid if you didn't apply via the webapp, it's too late now |
| 21:10.26 | lh | joekidd: not unless you applied |
| 21:10.55 | lh | harlan: lets say you get allocated three slots and you have four applications, one with a score of 10, one with 9, one with 8, one with 7 |
| 21:11.01 | lh | the one with a score of 7 will not be accepted |
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| 21:11.12 | harlan | got it - thanks! |
| 21:11.13 | joekidd | lh: So its too late because I only send an email. |
| 21:11.43 | lh | joekidd: correct |
| 21:11.47 | lh | harlan: my pleasure |
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| 21:12.47 | MatthewWilkes | I was quite disappointed by my copy of the divine comedy, the David Higgins translation |
| 21:13.03 | MatthewWilkes | It translated the famous phrase as "No room for hope, when you enter here" |
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| 21:13.26 | MatthewWilkes | modernstyle-- |
| 21:13.40 | lh | MatthewWilkes: appalling. |
| 21:13.45 | lh | goes to wash eyes off |
| 21:14.09 | araujo | hello |
| 21:14.15 | araujo | lh, hola amiga |
| 21:14.17 | araujo | :) |
| 21:14.20 | summatusmentis | hi araujo |
| 21:14.26 | lh | araujo: hola mi amigo, como esta? |
| 21:14.31 | araujo | hi there summatusmentis |
| 21:14.39 | araujo | how it goes? |
| 21:14.43 | araujo | lh, muy bien, y tu? :) |
| 21:14.48 | ajuonline | high fives araujo |
| 21:15.00 | lh | araujo: cansada, pero allegre. la vida es bella y dulce. |
| 21:15.03 | araujo | ajuonline, hi there! |
| 21:15.07 | summatusmentis | meh, mostly ok, I need to get stuff done tonight, but I have no motivation |
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| 21:15.11 | araujo | lh, haha, si!!!!! |
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| 21:15.25 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: call up your gf |
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| 21:16.14 | mohangupta13 | hello there |
| 21:16.31 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: that's not motivation |
| 21:16.51 | summatusmentis | if anything, that's one more thing to do instead of writing code/doing homework |
| 21:17.06 | joekidd | lh: So but I have a question. If I can prove that I am registered user and I send an application but by email couldnt I participate? I |
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| 21:17.16 | harlan | So I need to do an initial *ranking* of proposals, not an initial *scoring* of proposals, right? |
| 21:17.23 | ipwa | hey guys |
| 21:17.25 | summatusmentis | joekidd: no, you missed the application deadline |
| 21:17.26 | lh | joekidd: you needed to apply using the website. |
| 21:17.36 | ipwa | is there a limit to how many mentors can be assigned to a project? |
| 21:17.42 | lh | joekidd: no exceptions sorry |
| 21:17.45 | lh | ipwa: no |
| 21:17.54 | ipwa | lh: cool, thanks |
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| 21:18.09 | patri | !next |
| 21:18.09 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 21:18.23 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: how about me calling and asking your sis to kick your ass and ask you to do your homework? |
| 21:18.26 | ajuonline | :D |
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| 21:18.51 | summatusmentis | my sister would be really weirded out by that :-P |
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| 21:19.07 | mohangupta13 | hey are the mentoring organizations interacting with u guys ...i didnt get any reply till yet |
| 21:19.32 | makmanalp | same |
| 21:19.34 | lh | mohangupta13: better to ask in their irc channel |
| 21:20.03 | bobbens | it depends on the org |
| 21:20.12 | harlan | I notice my 'rank' input is not being accepted... Is review text required? |
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| 21:20.21 | mohangupta13 | i applied for minix3 |
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| 21:20.47 | mohangupta13 | no did anyone get any request for further info from the org?? |
| 21:20.54 | brlcad | kblin: pong |
| 21:21.07 | summatusmentis | mohangupta13: ask minix |
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| 21:21.51 | scorche | tierra: heh...why are you in here? |
| 21:22.05 | mohangupta13 | summatusmentis: did any org reply to anyone??? did your org reply to you? |
| 21:22.23 | summatusmentis | not to me specifically, but my org has replied to other students |
| 21:22.35 | MatthewWilkes | mohangupta13: Yes, many people have had replies. Ask minix if you want useful information about your circumstances. |
| 21:22.37 | tierra | scorche: I'm probably mentoring a project |
| 21:22.49 | tierra | probably/likely |
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| 21:23.10 | scorche | tierra: ah, goody!....wx? |
| 21:23.13 | tierra | yep |
| 21:23.45 | harlan | any mentors from the Tor project around? |
| 21:23.54 | lh | arma: ping |
| 21:23.59 | harlan | or project admins? |
| 21:24.05 | lh | arma: harlan would like a moment of your time |
| 21:24.12 | harlan | thx lh |
| 21:25.03 | lh | harlan: no problem |
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| 21:28.02 | Landon | summatusmentis: I'm starting to warm up to blogging :( |
| 21:28.07 | Landon | fear the day! |
| 21:28.22 | summatusmentis | Landon: I just posted two fairly long blog posts in the last day |
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| 21:28.27 | summatusmentis | once you get started, you can't stop |
| 21:29.33 | Landon | :() |
| 21:30.46 | ajuonline | bah, forget it :P |
| 21:31.48 | araujo | not good blogger |
| 21:31.57 | kloeri | tons of people manage to stop after their first blog post :p |
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| 21:32.11 | Landon | I started last summer |
| 21:32.13 | Landon | and didn't get very far |
| 21:32.14 | Landon | :p |
| 21:32.16 | Landon | started again this semester |
| 21:32.18 | Landon | once in a while |
| 21:32.25 | kloeri | and I have to force myself to blog occasionally |
| 21:32.26 | asizemin | hi everyone! how can I leave comment for my own proposal? |
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| 21:32.35 | summatusmentis | kloeri: it definitely takes more than one to 'get started' |
| 21:33.04 | harlan | asizemin: I believe so, yes. |
| 21:33.11 | kloeri | well, same thing can be said for 5 or 10 blog posts |
| 21:33.36 | ajuonline | asizemin: just login to the system, view your proposal. open it up, and look at the bottom. |
| 21:33.53 | kloeri | or whatever number you want - many people just don't have much to write about or at least don't feel they have much worthwhile writing about and stop after a while |
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| 21:34.42 | asizemin | ok, thanks. damn IExplorer) something wrong with stylesheets |
| 21:34.57 | summatusmentis | kloeri: maybe I'm just the kind of person who feels the need to write things, but I've found now that I've started doing it, I write about a lot of different things |
| 21:35.33 | antarus | blogs about every 6 months |
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| 21:35.56 | kloeri | belongs to the group of people who doesn't really want to blog |
| 21:36.29 | kloeri | the only reason I blog tbh is to make announcements about new things for my linux distro or talks I'm doing |
| 21:37.11 | DonQuijote | blogs a couple of times per week, but sometimes he's inspired and posts once per day |
| 21:37.33 | kloeri | nothing wrong with blogging of course but the "can't stop" thingy only holds for a minority in my experience :) |
| 21:37.46 | codelearner | I had a blog up more then two years ago and I am still to make a second post :/ |
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| 21:44.49 | Ivanovic | lh: thanks for the mail about the dupe stuff things |
| 21:44.54 | Ivanovic | good to know when it will be active |
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| 21:47.51 | linolium | lh: ping |
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| 21:49.38 | Ivanovic | and i think now i will be busy working on the shrine that we will need to pray that we get the number of desired slots |
| 21:50.24 | Ivanovic | or do you think vodoo dolls are a more efficent way than praying to get the number of slots required to mentor all the *outstanding* applications that we do want to mentor? |
| 21:50.26 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 21:54.29 | makmanalp | i don't know why anyone would *not* want to mentor |
| 21:54.58 | Catfish_Man | makmanalp: it's a lot of work, for not much money. |
| 21:55.03 | summatusmentis | because you get paid as a student? |
| 21:55.04 | Catfish_Man | the rewards are more intangible :) |
| 21:55.38 | harlan | arma: ping |
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| 21:56.51 | makmanalp | Catfish_Man: but it's not really boring work |
| 21:56.57 | Catfish_Man | indeed |
| 21:57.01 | kblin | Catfish_Man: well, I do feel the difference on my bank account |
| 21:58.35 | DonQuijote | Uhm... but adds a nice line in your CV for sure... |
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| 22:30.33 | harlan | Can a proposal have more than 1 mentor? |
| 22:31.06 | summatusmentis | harlan: yes |
| 22:31.26 | harlan | cool, like "listed on the project page"? |
| 22:31.51 | summatusmentis | not sure |
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| 22:32.00 | harlan | 'k, that is what I am going for. |
| 22:32.42 | Ivanovic | officially there will be only one assigned that does the review stuff |
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| 22:32.53 | harlan | OK, thanks Ivanovic. |
| 22:32.54 | Ivanovic | though google will not tell the orgs how they have to handle mentoring |
| 22:33.03 | Ivanovic | so in effect >1 person can manage the student |
| 22:33.24 | harlan | It's more about tracking and notification for me. But I suspect we'll handle it. |
| 22:33.43 | Ivanovic | (that is if you are a small enough project it might effectively end with "every mentor somehow mentors every student, though one is specificly responsible for a single student") |
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| 22:34.31 | Ivanovic | with other words: the ones currently around in irc answer questions that come up as good as they can |
| 22:34.39 | Ivanovic | or they just redirect to those, that should know the answers |
| 22:34.50 | Ivanovic | (the general way open source does work anyway ;) ) |
| 22:34.59 | Ivanovic | time to head off to bed, n8 |
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| 22:50.09 | apinto | !next |
| 22:50.09 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 23:22.12 | ecin_ | !google |
| 23:22.12 | socinfo | "google" is not the cosmic cash machine people think it is. |
| 23:22.24 | ecin_ | yoinks. |
| 23:22.50 | antarus | heh |
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| 23:41.04 | shyamheartbreakk | !google |
| 23:41.04 | socinfo | "google" is not the cosmic cash machine people think it is. |
| 23:41.39 | shyamheartbreakk | !extension |
| 23:41.39 | socinfo | "extension" is The deadline WAS NOT extended and WILL NOT be. Not even for you. |
| 23:41.57 | antarus | !ponies |
| 23:41.58 | socinfo | "ponies" is hooray! |
| 23:42.02 | antarus | hells yes |
| 23:42.08 | shyamheartbreakk | !socinfo |
| 23:42.08 | socinfo | "socinfo" is always right |
| 23:42.10 | nsquare | hehe |
| 23:42.13 | borja | omg ponies! |
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| 23:42.14 | socinfo | Error: "right" is not a valid command. |
| 23:42.19 | shyamheartbreakk | oho :) |
| 23:42.40 | nsquare | how to get list of all custom commands? |
| 23:43.02 | nsquare | !list |
| 23:43.02 | socinfo | Error: "list" is not a valid command. |
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| 23:43.04 | shyamheartbreakk | instead of getting some just guess some it shud be more fun :) |
| 23:43.07 | nsquare | :P |
| 23:43.26 | shyamheartbreakk | !yahoo |
| 23:43.26 | socinfo | Error: "yahoo" is not a valid command. |
| 23:43.28 | shyamheartbreakk | :P |
| 23:43.34 | nsquare | !help |
| 23:43.35 | socinfo | "help" is see !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki |
| 23:43.41 | nsquare | aaha |
| 23:43.43 | nsquare | :) |
| 23:43.49 | shyamheartbreakk | !advice |
| 23:43.49 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
| 23:43.57 | shyamheartbreakk | !timelines |
| 23:43.58 | socinfo | Error: "timelines" is not a valid command. |
| 23:44.12 | shyamheartbreakk | !wiki |
| 23:44.13 | socinfo | "wiki" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/w/list |
| 23:45.26 | shyamheartbreakk | !hack |
| 23:45.26 | socinfo | Error: "hack" is not a valid command. |
| 23:45.59 | nsquare | !numapps |
| 23:45.59 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
| 23:46.19 | nullpuppy | that needs to be updated. |
| 23:46.29 | nsquare | yes |
| 23:46.40 | EnderMB | Wow! That's a lot of proposals... |
| 23:47.00 | nullpuppy | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/ |
| 23:47.11 | nsquare | EnderMB, the number is smaller than last year :) |
| 23:47.11 | shyamheartbreakk | 500 less orgs!! |
| 23:47.26 | shyamheartbreakk | that improves chances :P |
| 23:47.39 | shyamheartbreakk | am also work of mentors :D |
| 23:47.41 | nsquare | but the number of students have increased :D, so it doesnt :) |
| 23:47.57 | nullpuppy | number of proposals dropped too thoguh |
| 23:48.02 | nsquare | yeah |
| 23:48.04 | murph | shyamheartbreakk, less than 500, not less by 500 |
| 23:48.05 | shyamheartbreakk | jus take the positive side of it :P |
| 23:48.13 | shyamheartbreakk | oh :) |
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| 23:48.16 | nsquare | proposals/student has decreased |
| 23:48.29 | nsquare | number of students has not |
| 23:48.31 | EnderMB | So, how likely is it that a student is selected by their mentoring organisation? |
| 23:48.47 | shyamheartbreakk | that depends on your proposal:) |
| 23:48.47 | borja | !askyourorg |
| 23:48.48 | socinfo | "askyourorg" is You should ask the organization you are interested in applying as this varies per organization. |
| 23:48.50 | nsquare | EnderMB: you have 1 in 3.5 chance :D |
| 23:49.07 | shyamheartbreakk | thats maths :P |
| 23:49.42 | nsquare | actually, its wrong maths :P |
| 23:49.44 | EnderMB | Thanks to my stupid term times I was only able to hand in one proposal, so it's all down to that one... |
| 23:50.11 | shyamheartbreakk | It is not the number tht really matters |
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| 23:50.39 | nsquare | haha, same here. only 2 apps :) |
| 23:50.49 | nsquare | but both proposals are very similar |
| 23:50.54 | nsquare | hence i could manage 2 |
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| 23:52.08 | nsquare | wanted to submit more proposals in some other interesting projects i had shortlisted, but ... course project deadlines :| :| |
| 23:52.33 | Giant-Sheep | I don't think the amount matters that much. |
| 23:52.51 | barmstr | last year I turned in 2 apps and both were accepted, that was fun :) |
| 23:52.56 | nsquare | Giant-Sheep, i know. but there were 2-3 other projects i was interested in |
| 23:53.01 | Giant-Sheep | sure if you apply for a popular, it can be a problem. |
| 23:53.17 | Giant-Sheep | but usually I'd say one good one is better than 2-3 sloppy ones. |
| 23:53.26 | EnderMB | I was interested in loads this year, but decided to go for one in my area of strength |
| 23:53.26 | Giant-Sheep | yeah, I know what you mean. |
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| 23:53.36 | shyamheartbreak1 | so 2 is more than avg |
| 23:53.51 | nsquare | yes |
| 23:53.52 | Giant-Sheep | but usually you really need to get into the subject. it's hard to make many good proposals. |
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| 23:54.26 | nsquare | Giant-Sheep: yes |
| 23:54.39 | shyamheartbreak1 | its betr to choose projects where you have some knowledge |
| 23:54.46 | nsquare | took me whole weekend to shortlist 5-6 projects i actually wanted to do |
| 23:55.23 | barmstr | that organization by language list was helpful |
| 23:55.39 | shyamheartbreak1 | ya.. |
| 23:56.00 | nsquare | there should have been project list grouped by domain |
| 23:56.04 | nsquare | or something like that |
| 23:56.17 | nsquare | that would have made my work lot simpler :) |
| 23:56.18 | Giant-Sheep | yeah, I shortlisted a few as well, and ended up only doing only one proposal. There were a few more I was interested in, but this one felt like I really wanted to do and actually could do. |
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| 23:56.43 | Giant-Sheep | sure I could have done more proposals, but I kinda don't feel making many half-assed proposals would have helped me :) |
| 23:57.05 | EnderMB | I really wanted to take one out of my usual interests, just to see if I could do it. A lot of the Artificial Intelligence ones sounded like fun. |
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| 23:57.40 | Giant-Sheep | This was one bad, bad summer to have extra time for a summer job tbh. |
| 23:57.41 | nsquare | I want to do projects related to security |
| 23:57.48 | nsquare | and there were 5-6 pretty good ones |
| 23:57.58 | Giant-Sheep | let's hope google pimps my summer :) |
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| 23:58.28 | EnderMB | Yeah, this'll be a lot better for me than slaving away in a sports shop... |
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| 23:58.46 | lh | sits back, drinks tea, watches the next batch of soc kidz |
| 23:59.01 | thebolt|away | hi lh :) enjoy the comics ;) |
| 23:59.03 | nsquare | hi lh :) |
| 23:59.09 | lh | thebolt|away: comics? |
| 23:59.14 | lh | nsquare: greetings |
| 23:59.16 | Giant-Sheep | or slawing away on an ice rink :/ |
| 23:59.44 | eugene | lh: may I pm you? I have a question not related to gsoc to ask you. |
| 23:59.52 | lh | eugene: sure |