| 00:00.10 | vinc456 | borja: thank you for the post |
| 00:00.15 | borja | borja: thank lh, she's the one who wrote it :-) |
| 00:00.24 | borja | oh, lh left |
| 00:00.29 | borja | errr |
| 00:00.34 | borja | s/borja:/vinc456 |
| 00:00.36 | vinc456 | well the developers on the mailing list are downright hostile, but worst case scenario is i'm laughed away and try again next year :p |
| 00:01.14 | vinc456 | sorry hostile is not the right word, but not particularly friendly |
| 00:02.20 | ojwb | vinc456: what's the project? |
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| 00:03.41 | ojwb | it's likely what comes over as hostility or lack of friendliness isn't really |
| 00:04.17 | vinc456 | BlueZ, i've picked an "easy" project but I don't measure up to some of the previous (successful) applicants |
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| 00:04.33 | jasebo | we try to be deliberately obtuse on our channel, just so we look really knowledgable :-D |
| 00:04.58 | ojwb | if you post a patch, sometimes it seems like it's being mercilessly ripped apart, but the reality is that people are critiquing the code, not you, and in the interests of making it bette |
| 00:05.23 | jasebo | but, yes - I agree with ojwb |
| 00:05.27 | chrispolk | jasebo are you with gsoc? |
| 00:05.29 | ojwb | some people sometimes don't mention the good aspects, as they don't need work! |
| 00:05.38 | jasebo | I'm with the LimeSurvey project |
| 00:05.45 | chrispolk | ah k |
| 00:06.04 | ojwb | and a few people are lacking social skills too, which doesn't help |
| 00:06.19 | chrispolk | is anyone here with gsoc that I could speak to about a mentoring question? |
| 00:06.32 | borja | chrispolk: just ask out loud and someone will answer |
| 00:06.56 | Upthorn | SO, I have a question |
| 00:07.05 | Upthorn | On the application form |
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| 00:07.18 | Upthorn | what is the "additional info" bar for? |
| 00:07.54 | ojwb | um, additional info? |
| 00:08.02 | caden_ | yes there is a tiny blank that says additional info |
| 00:08.02 | borja | !userguide |
| 00:08.02 | socinfo | "userguide" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
| 00:08.07 | caden_ | i was wondering too |
| 00:08.08 | borja | It's mentioned in passing in the user guide |
| 00:08.17 | borja | "You can also provide a link to further information, e.g. additional details on your personal website, in the Additional Info field, though this is not required." |
| 00:08.21 | ojwb | I mean, it's for putting additional info in |
| 00:08.24 | caden_ | ah |
| 00:08.26 | caden_ | thank you |
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| 00:08.41 | borja | So, huh, I guess you can use it to specify information of an additional nature |
| 00:08.54 | caden_ | i put a reference to my web site in the body of my proposal |
| 00:08.54 | ojwb | yes |
| 00:09.00 | ojwb | or perhaps information about addition |
| 00:09.05 | ojwb | "addition is commutative" |
| 00:09.08 | borja | ojwb: lol |
| 00:09.58 | chrispolk | question, I see in the faq students already working on an open source project can continue working on it through gsoc right? |
| 00:10.25 | scorche | yes, though that is up to the org itself |
| 00:10.48 | chrispolk | to allow a student to participate in gsoc? |
| 00:10.58 | scorche | yes |
| 00:11.11 | chrispolk | if they do would they still need to apply as a mentor organization |
| 00:11.11 | ojwb | the org can reject students for pretty much any reason |
| 00:11.29 | scorche | well, the mentoring organizations have already been chosen |
| 00:11.30 | ojwb | I'd guess that there are legal restrictions like race, gender, etc |
| 00:11.57 | ojwb | chrispolk: yes, it means a project in the soc program |
| 00:13.13 | chrispolk | oh alright, because I am an undergraduate who was going to be working on a medical imaging open source project this summer and had been paired with an organization and assigned a phd student who i would be working with |
| 00:13.46 | chrispolk | but they arent apart of gsoc and i had just received an email about gsoc a few days after mentor deadlines went up |
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| 00:14.10 | jblake | You'll probably want to apply under the Google umbrella org. |
| 00:14.12 | chrispolk | and I was going to try to get them to apply as a mentor organization if that were possible |
| 00:14.12 | ojwb | chrispolk: as lh said: |
| 00:14.15 | ojwb | !noorg |
| 00:14.16 | socinfo | "noorg" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#no_org |
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| 00:14.37 | ojwb | it isn't, but they can provide a mentor under the "google" umbrella org |
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| 00:15.04 | ojwb | it takes a max of 3 students a year or thereabouts, but it is an option if you can provide a project and a mentor |
| 00:15.30 | chrispolk | ah ok |
| 00:15.41 | chrispolk | i would have a mentor, my PhD student who i was assigned to assist |
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| 00:15.52 | chrispolk | and the institution would be the German Cancer Research Institute |
| 00:16.38 | MatthewWilkes | Unbelievable! In < 5 minutes I've gone from not having an IDE set up, to hello world on an emulator, to hello world on my andy. This is how mobile dev should be! |
| 00:16.39 | chrispolk | and they would be able to judge the quality of my work |
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| 00:17.58 | p_l | it's also nice that people are getting alternative languages to work on Android :) |
| 00:18.42 | chrispolk | (ojwb): so I would need to apply and select google as my mentor? |
| 00:20.26 | ojwb | chrispolk: yeah |
| 00:20.35 | ojwb | well, as your mentoring org |
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| 00:20.53 | chrispolk | and supply all the other information about the mentor and organization in my application? |
| 00:20.59 | jblake | yes |
| 00:21.02 | ojwb | i guess so |
| 00:22.35 | chrispolk | alright thanks and the mentor deadlines are past so there isnt any way more organizations could apply? |
| 00:23.40 | ojwb | not for 2009 |
| 00:23.50 | chrispolk | alright thanks |
| 00:24.06 | ojwb | they may be considered too "niche" anyway |
| 00:24.34 | p_l | I hope that in five years' time, I will be there with my own org around my current pet project ;-) |
| 00:24.58 | ojwb | but I'd suggest you/they talk to lh if you want to know if it's worth applying in the future |
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| 00:27.24 | lh | chrispolk: it is too late for 2009, but please consider listing your information here: |
| 00:27.28 | lh | http://www.teachingopensource.org/index.php/FOSS_Mentor_Projects |
| 00:28.09 | chrispolk | its too late to apply for an alternate project? |
| 00:28.22 | scorche | alternate project? |
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| 00:28.56 | chrispolk | or whatever it would be considered when putting google as my mentor because the project i am working with is not currently associated with gsoc |
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| 00:29.31 | lh | chrispolk: no, a student must apply as an alternate project according to the same process as for other students, choosing google as the mentoring organization |
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| 00:29.46 | lh | same deadlines, etc. |
| 00:29.52 | chrispolk | oh alright |
| 00:30.03 | chrispolk | you were just sending me a link for mentors for next year? |
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| 00:32.02 | hts | hi |
| 00:32.25 | lh | chrispolk: no, it can be for mentoring at any time. |
| 00:32.39 | chrispolk | oh alright thanks |
| 00:32.45 | lh | is just not going to encourage accepted orgs to list themselves there now so as not to divide their focus |
| 00:33.58 | t0ms | gn |
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| 00:37.31 | MatthewWilkes | lh: I have noticed you mentioning every now and again - I trust you'll be doing a real push after GSoC gets going? |
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| 00:39.54 | lh | MatthewWilkes: correct. :) |
| 00:40.03 | ojwb | the plan is to point unsuccessful students there |
| 00:40.16 | lh | so honestly, i feel a bit wierd doing this, as this is a gsoc channel and it's kinda off topic |
| 00:40.21 | lh | and this is what i spend my spare time on |
| 00:40.24 | ojwb | as some good students don't get a place, just like some good orgs don't |
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| 00:40.34 | lh | but it's in keeping with what the community is all about, so i am at peace with it. |
| 00:40.45 | ojwb | it's alongside topic, I'd say |
| 00:40.47 | ojwb | if not on it |
| 00:40.52 | lh | if people feel like it's spamalicious in this channel, then i will knock it off |
| 00:42.12 | MatthewWilkes | lh: I wouldn't worry about it, it's not like you're talking about it while there's official business going on, it's more on topic than many things in here :) |
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| 00:42.46 | lh | MatthewWilkes: fair enough. |
| 00:43.37 | ojwb | it's good to consider it though - people may be less willing to complain that lh is being off topic than for other people |
| 00:44.02 | lh | ojwb: true that. doesn't matter, i ought to be held to the same standards as everyone else. |
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| 00:44.41 | ojwb | lh: you should, but people may be nervous about doing so |
| 00:44.56 | ojwb | is surprised that more orgs haven't signed up there |
| 00:45.01 | ojwb | or perhaps I added us to the wrong place |
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| 00:45.57 | lh | ojwb: no, just most folks disappeared entirely after not getting accepted. this is normal. |
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| 00:46.15 | lh | plus, i only created the page this sunday, so actually we are doing very well. :) |
| 00:46.15 | ojwb | only after the fame and money I guess |
| 00:47.49 | enginuitor | Owch, the student profile forms are a little painful on Konqueror |
| 00:48.28 | p_l | they are painful even in firefox if you don't have JS enabled (like lack of mention of date format) |
| 00:51.08 | Chani | hmm |
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| 00:51.25 | thomastc | and no https, I noticed |
| 00:51.27 | Chani | I just got an email asking for advice from someone who's taking 2.5 courses and also wants to do gsoc |
| 00:51.47 | thomastc | which annoys me because I'm on an unencrypted wifi in a hostel |
| 00:52.51 | p_l | thomastc: Tor? |
| 00:52.51 | hypa7ia | Chani: answer them "do not want" |
| 00:52.51 | jasebo | lh: the bbc dot.life blog is a good write-up :) |
| 00:52.52 | thomastc | p_l: yah, never taken the time to set that up, and through this flaky and slow wifi it'll be a pain :) |
| 00:53.06 | enginuitor | p_l: Tor's no good for keeping data secret, last I heard |
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| 00:54.04 | ABit | !next |
| 00:54.04 | socinfo | "next" is Student application period has now started, Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx ! |
| 00:54.22 | lh | jasebo: thanks, really liked that piece. and the reporter is a kick, too. |
| 00:54.35 | enginuitor | My understanding is that it does a good job of masking where the data's coming from, but whoever's running the nodes the data passes through can still peek at it, assuming no efforts to encrypt on your part |
| 00:54.43 | hypa7ia | enginuitor: that's correct |
| 00:54.51 | p_l | enginuitor: if you connect to unencrypted service, true |
| 00:55.09 | hypa7ia | and that's always been the case - your data leaves the end node however you sent it in |
| 00:55.13 | p_l | last node can see your data |
| 00:55.22 | p_l | but only if it's unencrypted :) |
| 00:55.25 | thomastc | moreover, things that are in the User's Guide should also be in the blue tooltips |
| 00:55.39 | thomastc | such as how to enter your country code for the phone number, etc |
| 00:56.08 | pavelo | why, for the love of god, doesn't google have https? |
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| 00:56.25 | thomastc | also, the term "lower ASCII" is confusing... of course it does not mean "lowercase" |
| 00:56.41 | p_l | thomastc: yet many actually sent in lowercase ;P |
| 00:56.47 | thomastc | but there is no such thing as "lower ASCII" because ASCII is 7-bits only |
| 00:56.51 | aicarn | are student applications first come first serve or do mentoring groups decide who they pick after the deadline? |
| 00:56.58 | thomastc | p_l: that's my point, it's confusing |
| 00:57.15 | hypa7ia | aicarn: mentoring groups pick after the deadline. you have up to then to apply |
| 00:57.22 | thomastc | lh: if you're the admin of this form stuff, are you picking this up? :) |
| 00:57.25 | imbusy | aicarn, wouldn't make sense to make them first come first serve |
| 00:58.02 | imbusy | take your time to polish your proposal |
| 00:58.11 | aicarn | yea i guess i stated the wrong thing but i needed clarification nonetheless |
| 00:58.12 | lh | thomastc: picking what stuff up? |
| 00:58.24 | lh | reads the scrollback |
| 00:58.27 | lh | !issues |
| 00:58.27 | socinfo | Error: "issues" is not a valid command. |
| 00:58.30 | lh | !bugs |
| 00:58.30 | socinfo | "bugs" is Melange bugs are tracked at http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list |
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| 00:58.56 | lh | thomastc: best place to report these requests is in the issue tracker. we are aware that the tooltips are a bit, ahem, invasive, KI |
| 00:59.14 | thomastc | ah ok, will plug it into the tracker insofar it isn't there yet |
| 01:00.00 | lh | and as for putting verbiage from users guide into the application, we are hoping that melange, the software that runs the gsoc 2009 site, is going to be more applicable than just GSoC. so until we have time to templatize a lot of the forms (haven't had that yet) then we're not hard coding a bunch of stuff in there to keep it as generic as possible for now. |
| 01:00.09 | nerd_boy_ | Is "lower ASCII only" lowercase letters only or characters with an int value no greater than 127? |
| 01:00.10 | lh | but please, send in feedback. we want the tool to be most useful. |
| 01:00.24 | lh | nerd_boy_: if it isn't found on a USA keyboard, don't type it in there |
| 01:00.29 | nerd_boy_ | Ah. |
| 01:00.29 | p_l | nerd_boy_: 7bit oldschol ASCII :-) |
| 01:00.32 | MatthewWilkes | !lowerasci |
| 01:00.32 | socinfo | Error: "lowerasci" is not a valid command. |
| 01:00.35 | MatthewWilkes | !lowerascii |
| 01:00.36 | socinfo | "lowerascii" is Not just lower case, see http://www.wiktel.com/standards/ascii.htm |
| 01:00.37 | MatthewWilkes | ;) |
| 01:00.44 | nerd_boy_ | Terribly sorry, thanks. |
| 01:00.45 | lh | MatthewWilkes: danke |
| 01:00.50 | lh | nerd_boy_: no need to apologize |
| 01:01.02 | lh | wonders why USA shipping software systems still suck so badly. |
| 01:01.04 | p_l | now, SIXBIT, that would be fun :P |
| 01:01.20 | MatthewWilkes | lh: bitte schön |
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| 01:02.04 | MatthewWilkes | lh: It's not just the USA. I regularly need to state my county as "Avon", a place that hasn't existed for 13 years |
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| 01:02.28 | caden | hah! another lower ascii question! |
| 01:02.31 | caden | i feel vindicated |
| 01:02.32 | lh | oh what a pita. |
| 01:02.37 | lh | caden: user guide. :) |
| 01:02.37 | p_l | lh: I suspect there's a certain bit of "not caring about outside USA at all" in it, too |
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| 01:02.49 | lh | p_l: possible. likely even probable/ |
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| 01:03.16 | caden | well i feel slightly less like a bonehead at least |
| 01:03.44 | p_l | lh: I guess it might also be related to US companies ignoring local standards wrt encoding (Microsoft in non-unicode software, for example) |
| 01:03.46 | summatusmentis | hello all |
| 01:04.42 | rwohleb | what?! we don't all speak/write english all of the time? ;) |
| 01:05.13 | imbusy | !time |
| 01:05.13 | socinfo | "time" is http://tinyurl.com/dbxnmy |
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| 01:05.39 | imbusy | lol |
| 01:05.58 | enginuitor | Prob'ly way too late for this year's forms, but it would be nice to allow separate "permanent" and "current" addresses, seeing as a number of us are probably in some form of temporary "student housing" |
| 01:06.15 | lh | p_l: ah. again likely true. |
| 01:06.27 | ojwb | enginuitor: file a ticket in the melange tracker for stuff you'd like to see |
| 01:06.37 | araujo | hello |
| 01:06.44 | araujo | back from the outside |
| 01:06.46 | lh | enginuitor: considered this. that is why there is contact info and shipping address. consider contact info your permanent address. |
| 01:07.04 | enginuitor | ojwb, lh: okay, will do |
| 01:07.05 | imbusy | permanent as in parent's basement |
| 01:07.13 | p_l | damn, then I have it backwards :D |
| 01:07.33 | jblake | A short summary of what the two addresses will be used for on the application page may help. |
| 01:07.49 | jblake | It wasn't clear to me which address should be the "more permanent" one, either. |
| 01:07.59 | enginuitor | Yeah, permanent = parent's basement, current = ****hole student apartment, shipping = university P.O. box |
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| 01:08.31 | enginuitor | future = different ****hole student apartment starting in June |
| 01:08.38 | imbusy | so true |
| 01:08.40 | rwohleb | lh: it's amazing how this channel sounds the same every year ;) |
| 01:08.47 | gchaix | rwohleb: indeed |
| 01:08.56 | rwohleb | gchaix: hey stranger |
| 01:08.59 | gchaix | :-) |
| 01:09.00 | p_l | I wrote contact as the one where I'm now, with shipping the one where I might be able to collect it no matter how long post delays it... |
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| 01:09.17 | rwohleb | gchaix: you mentoring this year? I might be |
| 01:09.20 | lh | rw |
| 01:09.21 | enginuitor | I'm assuming we can edit most of this info retroactively... right? |
| 01:09.24 | imbusy | anyway, what are you missing? a free t-shirt? |
| 01:09.24 | lh | rwohleb: so. true. |
| 01:09.28 | lh | enginuitor: yes. |
| 01:09.55 | imbusy | an oversized t-shirt with a google logo that will repel all the chicks |
| 01:10.02 | ojwb | enginuitor: you picked the wrong uni then - I got Wittgenstein's old room, which was rather nice |
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| 01:10.10 | enginuitor | hahaha |
| 01:11.14 | ojwb | imbusy: you can choose the size |
| 01:11.14 | Ori_B | ojwb: nothing so historic here |
| 01:11.27 | Ori_B | but housing is cheap and comfortable here, for the most part |
| 01:11.33 | ojwb | though beware that US sizes are more "comfortable" than in some countries |
| 01:11.36 | Ori_B | and it's closer to campus than the parking lots are :) |
| 01:11.56 | Ori_B | sighs. my chair is no more. |
| 01:12.02 | Chani | speaking of t-shirts... |
| 01:12.18 | Chani | hte second one I got for 2008 was *still* too big :( |
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| 01:12.35 | imbusy | you aren't eating enough then |
| 01:12.50 | Chani | I have about five google shirts, every one is "female medium", and they range in size from a little tight to outright baggy |
| 01:13.01 | Ori_B | Chani: I'm not supposed to tell you this, but it's a conspiracy. they're increasing the t-shirt sizes in proportion to you decreasing the size you request. |
| 01:13.18 | Chani | the pizza ambassador one was the best fit, oddly enough |
| 01:13.23 | imbusy | they should be smaller this year though, seeing how the whole economy is doing |
| 01:13.31 | imbusy | saving on materials |
| 01:13.36 | Chani | is going to try ordering a female small this time and see what happens |
| 01:13.40 | Chani | haha |
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| 01:13.47 | ojwb | edible tshirts, for when times get really hard |
| 01:13.48 | Ori_B | imbusy: well, with the way things are going, people will be eating more junk food |
| 01:13.56 | Ori_B | so sizes will need to go up |
| 01:13.56 | newt | ojwb: kinky |
| 01:14.15 | caden | yes poor americans are still fat |
| 01:14.24 | newt | not all of us D: |
| 01:14.41 | enginuitor | At my uni we have the choice between on-campus housing (whose administrators make the local PTA look like totally reasonable, open-minded, well-balanced people) and an honest-to-goodness 2.5-square-mile student ghetto immediately west of campus |
| 01:14.43 | newt | then again i'm a college student... i'm lucky i can afford to eat |
| 01:15.54 | Ori_B | enginuitor: what uni? |
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| 01:18.19 | apinto | there is a limit of words for applications? |
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| 01:19.12 | lh | apinto: for the abstract yes, for the content, no |
| 01:19.17 | hypa7ia | enginuitor: Queens? |
| 01:21.14 | hypa7ia | (the Queens student ghetto: http://www.flickr.com/photos/61922850@N00/3345894334/ ) |
| 01:21.16 | p_l | goes to change his t-shirt size to smaller |
| 01:21.20 | rwohleb | cheers for the pizza ambassador tshirts |
| 01:21.53 | jessezh | hi all. in the register-as-stu page, can i put two entries in the 'Im network' field? say irc:irc.freenode.net and xmpp:gmail.com/Home? |
| 01:22.18 | imbusy | maybe I should change to female |
| 01:22.21 | caden | hypa7ia that picture is scary |
| 01:22.37 | apinto | lh, what is the limit for abstract? |
| 01:22.37 | hypa7ia | jessezh: not in that field, but you can include them in your actual applications |
| 01:22.41 | hypa7ia | caden: i know :s |
| 01:22.49 | caden | do they live in that box? |
| 01:23.01 | caden | it reminds me of rub-a-dub-dub, three men in a tub |
| 01:23.19 | jessezh | hypa7ia: so what's that field for? |
| 01:23.24 | lh | apinto: 500 characters, like it says int he tool tips |
| 01:23.28 | hypa7ia | caden: no, it's a home-made hot tub |
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| 01:23.41 | hypa7ia | jessezh: i'd just put irc in it |
| 01:23.48 | hypa7ia | and put IM networks in your app |
| 01:23.57 | jessezh | hypa7ia: ok, thanks |
| 01:24.03 | lh | hypa7ia: that photo is *awesome*. |
| 01:24.04 | hypa7ia | :) |
| 01:24.08 | hypa7ia | lh: i knowwww |
| 01:24.25 | hypa7ia | a friend who goes to school in Kingston (though not at Queens) posted it |
| 01:25.00 | p_l | hypa7ia: sounds like awesome place for one of my not-so-legal ideas |
| 01:25.05 | hypa7ia | haha |
| 01:25.09 | caden | O_O |
| 01:25.24 | p_l | hypa7ia: Have you ever thought what kind of army students can make? :D |
| 01:25.48 | hypa7ia | p_l: if it were queens' students, it would be one hell of a drunken army |
| 01:25.52 | p_l | it's all "they are harmless" till you see chemical warfare, UAV drones and electromagnetic cannons :D |
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| 01:26.14 | hypa7ia | hehe |
| 01:26.34 | Ori_B | heh |
| 01:26.47 | Ori_B | hypa7ia: I'm at McMaster myself :) |
| 01:27.04 | hypa7ia | Ori_B: U of T :) |
| 01:27.16 | imbusy | seems like everyone is from US |
| 01:27.24 | p_l | once got a little carried away with his plans to remove various trash from a certain park |
| 01:27.33 | Landon | shadow of the colossus ++ |
| 01:27.33 | lh | imbusy: Canadia is not the US |
| 01:27.35 | caden | someone said that a few minutes ago and we had at least 2 people from EU in here |
| 01:27.35 | Ori_B | imbusy: those were Canadian universities. |
| 01:27.42 | hypa7ia | haha |
| 01:27.42 | ojwb | hypa7ia: cold tub, surely? |
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| 01:27.45 | Phrozn | <-- University of Ontario |
| 01:27.49 | caden | hah i thought Queens in NYC |
| 01:27.51 | hypa7ia | so begins again the "omg not from US" flood :p |
| 01:28.03 | imbusy | ok, I shut up and go to sleep |
| 01:28.05 | caden | because nothing exists outside the US |
| 01:28.11 | imbusy | dragons |
| 01:28.15 | Ori_B | we should have a "within driving distance of GTA SoC (and ex-SoC) student meetup :D) |
| 01:28.20 | apinto | thanks lh |
| 01:28.22 | hypa7ia | polar bears, caden |
| 01:28.24 | Landon | grand theft auto summer of code? |
| 01:28.25 | Landon | woot |
| 01:28.25 | enginuitor | oww, that was the most painful connection-drop-recovery procedure I can recall |
| 01:28.28 | caden | what's GTA? |
| 01:28.29 | lh | apinto: np |
| 01:28.31 | hypa7ia | Ori_B: that sounds like fun |
| 01:28.34 | Landon | greater toronto area |
| 01:28.34 | caden | is wisconsin within driving distance ? |
| 01:28.36 | Ori_B | caden: Greater Toronto Area |
| 01:28.43 | hypa7ia | caden: i'm driving to WI in may |
| 01:28.47 | lh | heads for tacos |
| 01:28.47 | caden | because that's where i'll be |
| 01:28.49 | caden | where in WI? |
| 01:28.49 | lh | all hail tacos! |
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| 01:29.12 | hypa7ia | caden: madison, for WisCon |
| 01:29.15 | ojwb | was thinking "hmm, not heard of that OS" |
| 01:29.16 | Ori_B | lh: never heard of Tac-OS. Is it Posix compliant? |
| 01:29.22 | Ori_B | ^-- too much OS geekery |
| 01:29.23 | caden | hey that's where i'm going to school in the fall |
| 01:29.24 | ojwb | wins! |
| 01:29.34 | hypa7ia | caden: cool :D |
| 01:29.51 | Ori_B | ojwb: hah. you beat me to it. |
| 01:29.56 | lh | Ori_B: the almighty taco is completely cross platform |
| 01:30.02 | Landon | Ori_B: compliant with all major gastrointestinal standards |
| 01:30.03 | caden | holy crap we have a feminist science ficiton convention? i feel i should know that since i went to undergrad there. |
| 01:30.12 | caden | how long has this been going on? |
| 01:30.19 | p_l | TacOS-chan? :D |
| 01:30.19 | Landon | although some have a few issues |
| 01:30.23 | hypa7ia | lh: just saw your tweet about atwood - did you know that the actress who died skiing recently played Offred in the movie of Handmaid's Tale? |
| 01:30.37 | lh | hypa7ia: no i didn't. |
| 01:30.41 | lh | googles for this info |
| 01:30.47 | ojwb | natasha richardson |
| 01:30.59 | Ori_B | heads off for a few minutes to stir his onion soup |
| 01:31.00 | hypa7ia | lh: it was a bad movie from what i hear, haven't watched it |
| 01:31.07 | hypa7ia | too good a book to ruin with a bad movie :/ |
| 01:31.14 | lh | hypa7ia: it was pretty crap |
| 01:31.28 | caden | didn't Atwood have anohter famous book made into a movie |
| 01:31.53 | lh | actually leaves now in pursuit of tacos |
| 01:31.59 | lh | bbl |
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| 01:32.01 | caden | hah |
| 01:32.07 | Larry | Hello, I'm Larry! |
| 01:32.08 | hypa7ia | caden: i think it was alias grace? |
| 01:32.38 | Ori_B | was never a big Atwood fan. |
| 01:32.46 | Larry | How do I apply as a student, and what does it cost? |
| 01:33.03 | caden | hmm i don't remember |
| 01:33.11 | pinochet | !timeline |
| 01:33.11 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 01:33.30 | hypa7ia | caden: i was wrong... alias grace wasn't movieified... there was a cbc movie of "the robber bride" though |
| 01:33.39 | caden | i think that's what i'm thinking of |
| 01:34.01 | hypa7ia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Robber_Bride |
| 01:34.10 | Ori_B | Landon: it costs nothing. |
| 01:34.12 | Ori_B | oops. |
| 01:34.16 | Ori_B | Larry: it costs nothing. |
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| 01:34.31 | Ori_B | Larry: you read the FAQ and follow the instructions. |
| 01:34.35 | Larry | Whoa.... That's cool. |
| 01:34.37 | Ori_B | !faq |
| 01:34.37 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 01:37.58 | Larry | OH BS. |
| 01:38.03 | Larry | I'm under 18 |
| 01:38.35 | caden | that just means there's more for you to look forward to |
| 01:38.35 | nerd_boy_ | I don't suppose any measures are taken against spam spiders crawling our email addresses from the content area of the application, or is that even available to the public? |
| 01:38.35 | apinto | lh in the register as a student form, the field Degree relates to the major's degree (the one I'll have at the end of studies) or the degree I have now? |
| 01:38.35 | Ori_B | Larry: there's always next year. |
| 01:38.37 | caden | lh just ran to get a taco |
| 01:38.50 | apinto | :D |
| 01:39.15 | p_l | apinto: I guess to the one you are studying for |
| 01:39.15 | caden | i think it's the degree for the program that you are in right now |
| 01:39.15 | Ori_B | apinto: presumably the one you're studying for |
| 01:39.20 | Ori_B | since you're a student and it's not expected you have a degree yet. |
| 01:39.21 | caden | it's supposed to identify the program you're in now |
| 01:39.24 | pinochet | So should I put to shedule point: "Design classes schema, specify requiments and goals, distribute tasks to classes and write description each of them. Update shedule if necesarry." in coding period ( after May 23th) ?? |
| 01:39.34 | apinto | thanks :) |
| 01:39.40 | apinto | I agree |
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| 01:41.34 | p_l | hypa7ia: I wonder how exactly my university's main student village looks like, as I haven't ever been there (acommodation office didn't notice my application till it was too late). |
| 01:41.40 | NicDumZ | gaaaah python code where tabs and spaces are mixed is soo tiresome |
| 01:42.01 | p_l | hypa7ia: I'd need aforementioned weaponry to walk the shortest path to it at night, though :) |
| 01:42.34 | hypa7ia | p_l: ouch :s where are you going to school? |
| 01:43.13 | p_l | hypa7ia: University of Aberdeen, UK. |
| 01:43.21 | hypa7ia | ah cool |
| 01:43.50 | p_l | hypa7ia: for some reason, police is telling not to go through the Seaton Park at night and during day only in groups, and it's the shortest path between uni and student village |
| 01:43.52 | NicDumZ | not to mention code which uses 2 spaces-tabing for a block right in the middle of a full framework using 4 spaces everywhere else |
| 01:43.59 | summatusmentis | I should start writing my application >_> |
| 01:44.02 | p_l | NicDumZ: Nice |
| 01:44.14 | thebolt | Morning |
| 01:45.38 | ojwb | my favourite is when different tab widths are required to sanely view different parts *of the same file* |
| 01:45.59 | newt | <3 obfuscated python |
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| 01:46.26 | apinto | I'm going to sleep. see you tomorrow! |
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| 01:46.30 | newt | you almost need to work to obfuscate it |
| 01:46.31 | newt | almost |
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| 01:49.50 | Bloodmaker | sup |
| 01:50.03 | summatusmentis | not a whole lot, you? |
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| 01:50.26 | Bloodmaker | i was wondering if there was /any/ way to participate under 17. |
| 01:50.39 | Bloodmaker | under 18* |
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| 01:50.51 | thebolt | as a mentor, yes |
| 01:51.02 | Bloodmaker | lawl, no. not that skilled |
| 01:51.09 | p_l | which would be an interesting development... |
| 01:51.18 | Bloodmaker | ^ lawl |
| 01:51.27 | p_l | though not unheard of... |
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| 01:52.27 | summatusmentis | right, as a mentor, not as a student |
| 01:52.56 | Bloodmaker | damn. i want to participate to learn, are you saying there's no way for me to do this at 17? |
| 01:53.02 | summatusmentis | p_l: it definitely happens |
| 01:53.05 | ojwb | Bloodmaker: there's nothing stopping you getting involved with a project which interests you either |
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| 01:53.19 | ojwb | and that will improve your chances for gsoc next year |
| 01:53.30 | Bloodmaker | i don't know enough to actually help though |
| 01:53.31 | summatusmentis | Bloodmaker: that's what I'm saying, not through GSoC. You have to be 18 and a college student, afaik |
| 01:53.42 | Bloodmaker | @summat, ah |
| 01:54.08 | summatusmentis | Bloodmaker: even just bug reports, and learning it can be helpful |
| 01:54.22 | Bloodmaker | durr |
| 01:54.24 | summatusmentis | now, everyone runs into time |
| 01:54.26 | summatusmentis | time issues |
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| 01:55.32 | Bloodmaker | any CMS development projects people know of? |
| 01:55.41 | p_l | DIY? :D |
| 01:55.51 | Bloodmaker | not joomla or drupal style |
| 01:55.53 | azhar | i saw drupal and joomla |
| 01:56.00 | ojwb | !orgbycat |
| 01:56.00 | socinfo | "orgbycat" is 2009 orgs list by category: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Categories (note: work in progress) |
| 01:56.10 | summatusmentis | Bloodmaker: that said, some orgs fund projects outside of GSoC and some are going to be mentoring students (although maybe not funded) |
| 01:56.10 | ojwb | Bloodmaker: that may be useful ^^ |
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| 01:56.56 | Bloodmaker | @summat HS student count? =D |
| 01:57.10 | summatusmentis | it might, that'd be up to the org themselves |
| 01:57.27 | summatusmentis | because these would all be outside of the GSoC rules |
| 01:57.33 | Bloodmaker | gah |
| 01:57.43 | Bloodmaker | OH, and thank you ojwb |
| 01:58.06 | azhar | what is the selection criteria for applicants? |
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| 01:58.15 | azhar | or just any coll student can apply? |
| 01:58.18 | summatusmentis | azhar: what do you mean? |
| 01:58.25 | summatusmentis | yeah, any college student |
| 01:58.26 | summatusmentis | !faq |
| 01:58.26 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 01:58.28 | summatusmentis | read that |
| 01:58.33 | Bloodmaker | lolz |
| 01:58.44 | Bloodmaker | saddface |
| 01:58.49 | Bloodmaker | couldn't even make that bot |
| 01:58.50 | Bloodmaker | xD |
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| 02:02.27 | Bloodmaker | is ther a way to just eliminate the moneyz part (thinking that this is the reason it's limited to 18)? |
| 02:03.03 | summatusmentis | Bloodmaker: that's what I meant by orgs mentoring students outside the program |
| 02:03.12 | MatthewWilkes | Bloodmaker: If you talk to an organisation and convince them you'll stick to the project and are serious, they may assign you a mentor, but you wouldn't be part of summer of code officially. |
| 02:03.26 | Bloodmaker | i didn't completely understand summatus, sry |
| 02:03.28 | MatthewWilkes | Bloodmaker: That said, I'm sure you'd get a tshirt and some google goodies for being awesome |
| 02:03.29 | ojwb | not while doing it through google, but many orgs will be willing to provide mentoring to interested new members |
| 02:04.32 | summatusmentis | Bloodmaker: you can ask me to be more clear if you don't understand :-P |
| 02:04.45 | Bloodmaker | was overwhelmed by saddness |
| 02:05.37 | p_l | where was that blog article... |
| 02:05.49 | summatusmentis | which? |
| 02:06.05 | summatusmentis | written by who? |
| 02:06.07 | summatusmentis | about what? |
| 02:06.14 | ojwb | lh I think |
| 02:06.30 | p_l | http://www.hawthornlandings.org/2009/03/getting-started-in-open-source-you-dont.html |
| 02:06.34 | p_l | Bloodmaker: read it |
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| 02:07.24 | summatusmentis | lh: why doesn't your blog make links out of your post titles? |
| 02:07.45 | p_l | someone add that article to factoids |
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| 02:08.09 | summatusmentis | p_l: under what? |
| 02:08.21 | summatusmentis | socinfo: learn doitanyway as http://www.hawthornlandings.org/2009/03/getting-started-in-open-source-you-dont.html |
| 02:08.21 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 02:08.25 | summatusmentis | there |
| 02:08.34 | summatusmentis | feel free to change the trigger if you want |
| 02:08.40 | p_l | summatusmentis: thanks. I was thinking of "rocket-science" though :D |
| 02:08.51 | p_l | but this one is good |
| 02:09.13 | p_l | is off to shower and sleep |
| 02:09.21 | summatusmentis | enjoy :) |
| 02:09.35 | Bloodmaker | lawl, really? who made the socinfo bot? |
| 02:10.00 | summatusmentis | I don't know... it's probably some OSS project |
| 02:10.24 | thebolt | its a supybot.. |
| 02:10.31 | vinc456 | can i message the bot privately? |
| 02:10.32 | thebolt | (google that if you want to find the source) |
| 02:10.33 | Bloodmaker | @p_l: i had no intention of giving up or backing away. Just that i am illegitimate for the GSOC application at this time, and looking for ways around or through it |
| 02:10.41 | Bloodmaker | (maybe later) |
| 02:10.42 | summatusmentis | vinc456: I expect you can, but why? |
| 02:10.59 | vinc456 | summatusmentis: to avoid spamming the channel |
| 02:11.12 | Bloodmaker | he's going to !learn it something privately and laugh publicly <-- xD |
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| 02:11.22 | Bloodmaker | i'z a trollin thinker |
| 02:11.59 | ojwb | please resist the temptation to abuse the bot folks |
| 02:12.11 | caden | !doitanyway |
| 02:12.11 | socinfo | "doitanyway" is http://www.hawthornlandings.org/2009/03/getting-started-in-open-source-you-dont.html |
| 02:12.14 | summatusmentis | Bloodmaker: you should absolutely (if you have time, if not, totally reasonable) try and get involved with a project. They won't pay you, but it'll be a good experience |
| 02:12.18 | ojwb | it's a useful resource for keeping things sane in here |
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| 02:12.45 | Bloodmaker | @summat, that's all i expected. under 18 i didn't expect pay, just expected to expand my coding experience/knowledge |
| 02:13.06 | summatusmentis | I would be willing to bet you could find an org that would be willing to work with you |
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| 02:13.40 | hypa7ia | Bloodmaker: what kind of project do you want to work on? |
| 02:13.41 | Bloodmaker | yes, but where is my only question at this point |
| 02:14.09 | summatusmentis | where comes down to what you want to do |
| 02:14.39 | Bloodmaker | @hypa7ia: relevant to my personal interests, CMS for backend. Relevant to general interests, anything using MySQL/PHP/JS |
| 02:15.17 | Bloodmaker | by backend i mean the actual code |
| 02:15.21 | hypa7ia | right |
| 02:15.22 | hypa7ia | hmm |
| 02:15.26 | Bloodmaker | yeah sry |
| 02:15.28 | hypa7ia | doesn't know web stuff so well :/ |
| 02:16.07 | summatusmentis | hypa7ia: look at the list of accepted organizations, and talk to one that interests you |
| 02:16.20 | summatusmentis | not hypa7ia sorry |
| 02:16.22 | caden | !commands |
| 02:16.22 | socinfo | Error: "commands" is not a valid command. |
| 02:16.23 | summatusmentis | Bloodmaker: see above |
| 02:16.25 | hypa7ia | summatusmentis: i'm mentoring, was trying to help out Bloodmaker :) |
| 02:16.29 | summatusmentis | yeah, my bad |
| 02:16.34 | Bloodmaker | lawlz at both of you |
| 02:16.35 | hypa7ia | irc lag fail! |
| 02:16.55 | caden | actually i was looking at a project along those lines, |
| 02:16.57 | caden | check out geeklog |
| 02:17.06 | caden | CMS with php/mysql back end |
| 02:17.12 | Bloodmaker | lolz, learn help "*insert witty comment here*" |
| 02:17.20 | Bloodmaker | geeklog.com, ? |
| 02:17.26 | Bloodmaker | nvm, i'll google :p |
| 02:17.40 | caden | .net |
| 02:17.44 | caden | also here in the channel #geeklog |
| 02:17.45 | summatusmentis | geeklog.... isn't that something else? |
| 02:17.49 | caden | as long as you're already on freenode |
| 02:17.55 | summatusmentis | oh wait, geektool is what I'm thhinking of |
| 02:18.01 | summatusmentis | s/thhinking/thinking/ |
| 02:18.03 | Bloodmaker | geeklog is in GSOC 09 |
| 02:18.25 | caden | "Geeklog is a PHP/MySQL based application for managing dynamic web content." |
| 02:18.30 | summatusmentis | they're allowed to work with students even if they're accepted... |
| 02:18.47 | Bloodmaker | ouch the second paragraph is intimidating xD |
| 02:19.09 | caden | which paragraph |
| 02:19.18 | jasebo | Bloodmaker: Limesurvey :-) http://www.limesurvey.org |
| 02:19.28 | Bloodmaker | ""Out of the box", it is a blog engine, or a CMS with support for comments, trackbacks, multiple syndication formats, spam protection, and all the other vital features of such a system." |
| 02:19.35 | caden | you know if you start helping a group like that now, even a little, if you apply to GSoC next year your chances of getting in will be all the better |
| 02:20.04 | summatusmentis | limesurvey is a cool project |
| 02:20.09 | Bloodmaker | ^yeah, but the point being that my chances are seriously limited atm because of my age |
| 02:20.13 | Bloodmaker | @caden |
| 02:20.15 | Bloodmaker | sry summat |
| 02:20.20 | summatusmentis | Bloodmaker: no, they're not |
| 02:20.41 | Bloodmaker | yes they are. that's the dead truth no matter what you tell me |
| 02:20.43 | summatusmentis | if you can prove to an org that you're competent and in it for the long haul, age has nothing to do with it |
| 02:20.52 | caden | i don't know, i find that people get ridiculously excited about helping out young people and teaching them stuff |
| 02:20.59 | caden | as long as they're not flaky |
| 02:21.21 | caden | tech idolizes the young |
| 02:21.29 | Bloodmaker | ^? |
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| 02:21.36 | summatusmentis | there was a 14(?) year old mentoring last year |
| 02:21.48 | summatusmentis | and presumably again this year |
| 02:22.03 | Bloodmaker | ^ i'm trying to learn, not to mentor. My age limits me in what i'm looking for |
| 02:22.09 | caden | is this like surveymonkey on steroids, this limesurvey? |
| 02:22.26 | summatusmentis | caden: yes, it is :) |
| 02:22.31 | caden | noice |
| 02:22.32 | jasebo | legal steroids though |
| 02:22.42 | summatusmentis | Bloodmaker: your age is not a limit |
| 02:22.47 | jasebo | definitely not |
| 02:22.48 | summatusmentis | the only limit is in your mind |
| 02:23.11 | Bloodmaker | @summatusmentis: don't get me wrong, i'm not cutting myself down or out because of my age. So don't think i'm scared of my age as a limiting factor |
| 02:23.23 | Bloodmaker | it just /is/. |
| 02:23.23 | caden | that's awesome, what was the 14 year old mentoring |
| 02:23.35 | summatusmentis | I can't remember |
| 02:23.41 | caden | it was a dream you had |
| 02:23.47 | Bloodmaker | xD |
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| 02:24.07 | summatusmentis | drupal, I think |
| 02:24.13 | summatusmentis | http://drupal.org/user/47566 |
| 02:24.29 | ojwb | yes |
| 02:24.32 | ojwb | dimitri |
| 02:24.35 | summatusmentis | right |
| 02:24.50 | caden | 3 years, that means he joined drupal when he was like 11 |
| 02:25.04 | ojwb | ah, as the link you posted says |
| 02:25.04 | summatusmentis | Bloodmaker: no, that's just the point. Age isn't a factor, if you can prove competency and dedication |
| 02:25.15 | caden | hey webchick is in drupal, Bloodmaker, you can ask her about that project when she's on |
| 02:25.32 | summatusmentis | webchick is very much in drupal |
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| 02:26.04 | Bloodmaker_ | wut? |
| 02:26.05 | ojwb | on the internet, nobody knows your 14 unless you tell them or act like a kid |
| 02:26.22 | summatusmentis | exactly |
| 02:26.29 | summatusmentis | you're in no way limited by your age |
| 02:26.34 | caden | what was the last thing you heard Bloodmaker |
| 02:26.35 | p_l | Bloodmaker: I'd say dedication and motivation are two most important factors. If I had them in better quantities earlier, I'd be finishing my degree now, not starting it, and in MIT/Oxford/Todai/some-other-highly-ranked-uni :) |
| 02:26.46 | Bloodmaker_ | can someone kick Bloodmaker? |
| 02:26.51 | Bloodmaker_ | plz |
| 02:26.58 | summatusmentis | check out /ghost |
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| 02:27.05 | Bloodmaker_ | not reg'd |
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| 02:27.10 | summatusmentis | ah |
| 02:27.17 | Bloodmaker_ | oddly enough, this nick is reg'd |
| 02:27.20 | Bloodmaker_ | *shrug* |
| 02:27.22 | p_l | Bloodmaker: register then. freenode is the main hub of oss projects :) |
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| 02:27.34 | Bloodmaker_ | can't access it when it's ghosted in |
| 02:27.42 | Bloodmaker_ | just kick it pl0x |
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| 02:27.54 | ojwb | few of us can |
| 02:27.55 | summatusmentis | not everyone has ops |
| 02:27.58 | _allen_ | !next |
| 02:27.58 | socinfo | "next" is Student application period has now started, Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx ! |
| 02:28.01 | MatthewWilkes | Awesome. My andy can now scrape the local chinese takeaway's website and tell me what's on offer. |
| 02:28.48 | Bloodmaker_ | netsplits, yay freenode |
| 02:28.48 | Bloodmaker_ | great connections |
| 02:28.52 | enginuitor | netsplit?? |
| 02:28.52 | summatusmentis | "look at me, I'm MatthewWilkes, I'm flaunting my andy like I didn't want to with an iPhone" :-P |
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| 02:28.55 | caden | hahah |
| 02:29.03 | Bloodmaker | google "irc netsplit" |
| 02:29.03 | Bloodmaker | lolz, got my nick back |
| 02:29.09 | caden | yeah if you can afford an android in this economy you don't need a paid internship |
| 02:29.25 | caden | i'm messaging my friends by tapping a stick on the window in morse code |
| 02:29.30 | summatusmentis | he |
| 02:29.36 | summatusmentis | has sprint SERO |
| 02:29.36 | ojwb | you have friends? |
| 02:29.40 | ojwb | wow, what's it like? |
| 02:29.40 | Bloodmaker | @caden: xxxxxxDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
| 02:29.45 | caden | well... imaginary friends |
| 02:29.47 | caden | mostly my cat |
| 02:29.56 | ojwb | cats like tapping on windows |
| 02:30.01 | rwohleb | caden: it's because of paid internships that some CAN afford an android |
| 02:30.06 | p_l | caden: that's not an imaginary friend, that's your master :) |
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| 02:30.28 | Bloodmaker | gah, damn freenode is slow on emails |
| 02:30.33 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: True, true :) I'm just loving that I can code on this so easily. |
| 02:30.39 | p_l | Bloodmaker: e-mails are not instant... |
| 02:30.48 | Bloodmaker | generally they are |
| 02:30.57 | Bloodmaker | specifically they fluctuate |
| 02:30.58 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: :) |
| 02:31.06 | p_l | Bloodmaker: You haven't ever seen what happens at a big SMTP server, have you? :D |
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| 02:31.18 | Bloodmaker | like a printer spool xD |
| 02:31.22 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: you're a mentor? |
| 02:31.22 | rwohleb | (grandpa voice) you youngsters and your instant emails! |
| 02:31.27 | ojwb | greylisting can delay them too |
| 02:31.30 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: Yup |
| 02:31.30 | p_l | Bloodmaker: only worse. And yes, even today |
| 02:31.31 | Bloodmaker | yay |
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| 02:31.42 | Bloodmaker | @p_l: not being critical here |
| 02:31.43 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: that means you're like... 50 right? |
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| 02:31.48 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: hehe |
| 02:31.50 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: 22 |
| 02:32.00 | NeerajG | can any one tel me where to submit application |
| 02:32.02 | summatusmentis | christ |
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| 02:32.12 | ojwb | NeerajG: the faq can |
| 02:32.17 | summatusmentis | I'd like to have the skills to mentor by 22 |
| 02:32.20 | summatusmentis | !faq |
| 02:32.20 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 02:32.22 | Bloodmaker | @p_l: also google seems to do quite fine with their supergiant SMTP server :p |
| 02:32.26 | NeerajG | i have seen faq |
| 02:32.28 | NeerajG | !faq |
| 02:32.28 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 02:32.32 | ojwb | I'd like to have had the skills to mentor at 14 |
| 02:32.38 | summatusmentis | NeerajG: so read it |
| 02:32.41 | summatusmentis | ojwb: touche |
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| 02:33.05 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: I got involved in Plone about 4 years ago, one you're involved in a community it's not hard to get to the stage where you're a gsoc mentor |
| 02:33.06 | rwohleb | summatusmentis: do a few rounds in GSoC and keep active in your project, and then you can |
| 02:33.22 | summatusmentis | rwohleb: that's the plan |
| 02:33.34 | caden | ojwb: me too |
| 02:33.35 | rwohleb | summatusmentis: what projects are you targeting? |
| 02:33.37 | summatusmentis | <3s OpenAFS |
| 02:33.38 | ojwb | though the FSF probably wasn't founded when I was 14 |
| 02:33.52 | summatusmentis | rwohleb: I worked with OpenAFS last year, this is round 2 for me |
| 02:34.06 | rwohleb | summatusmentis: brilliant, there ya go |
| 02:34.11 | caden | 1985 |
| 02:34.27 | summatusmentis | rwohleb: so yeah, with luck, mentoring next year or the year after |
| 02:34.44 | summatusmentis | or whatever, maybe all the way through grad schoool |
| 02:34.47 | summatusmentis | school* |
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| 02:35.56 | rwohleb | needs to head home and stop working |
| 02:36.18 | p_l | Bloodmaker: clusters have it a little easier, I guess :-P |
| 02:36.54 | rwohleb | summatusmentis: since you are a known quantity, you likely have a good foot in the door this year |
| 02:37.26 | summatusmentis | rwohleb: yeah, I don't have any reason to think they won't accept me, was talking about my project with them before they were accepted |
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| 02:38.36 | rwohleb | summatusmentis: excellent |
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| 02:38.55 | summatusmentis | :-D |
| 02:39.00 | homunq | We only have 3 apps so far on our wiki... but they're three good ones, and we've had at least a dozen nooBs through our channel with half-baked ideas. |
| 02:39.07 | rwohleb | I've had the damndest time trying to get undergrads to actually submit a proposal..... too afraid of rejection |
| 02:39.11 | Bloodmaker | is not being savvy in a linux environment a large negative towards being accepted? |
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| 02:39.17 | caden | what channel homunq? |
| 02:39.18 | Bloodmaker | UNIX* |
| 02:39.29 | homunq | caden: #sugar |
| 02:39.36 | rwohleb | Bloodmaker: depends on the project ;) |
| 02:39.36 | summatusmentis | Bloodmaker: depends on the project, but probably not |
| 02:39.37 | hypa7ia | Bloodmaker: it's definitely a question we ask on our application |
| 02:39.47 | hypa7ia | because it's relevant to our projects |
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| 02:40.21 | homunq | my question is, if some people's application form is easier than others, do they get more applications and thus more slots? |
| 02:40.28 | summatusmentis | Bloodmaker: for instance, the org I'm submitting to has a very active windows dev segment |
| 02:40.44 | p_l | summatusmentis: well, you stated you were interested in PHP etc. Those don't tend to be that much UNIX oriented... |
| 02:40.53 | summatusmentis | homunq: I don't know that anyone knows that outside of lh |
| 02:40.57 | summatusmentis | p_l: not me, Bloodmaker |
| 02:41.05 | rwohleb | lh: it might be good marketing if there was a GSoC alumni page where you listed samples of past participants that went on to get jobs in OS, or even to work on the same project. |
| 02:41.09 | p_l | yeah, I messed it :) |
| 02:41.15 | p_l | should go to sleep already |
| 02:41.16 | homunq | I actually think we're probably about average in how tough our application is, so I'm not begging for special treatment. But yes, I'd like it if lh answered. |
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| 02:41.41 | homunq | peers around to see if I can meet her eyes? |
| 02:41.48 | summatusmentis | goes to look at what OpenAFS wants this time |
| 02:42.13 | summatusmentis | homunq: I'd guess she's not at a computer, judging from twitter |
| 02:42.14 | caden | oh homunq lh went to get some tacos awhile ago |
| 02:42.18 | caden | she might not be back yet |
| 02:42.33 | enginuitor | Is it better to submit an application early and make refinements over time, or wait until it looks perfect before submitting? |
| 02:42.41 | rwohleb | She's hard core and stays on late |
| 02:42.57 | ojwb | homunq: the slots have (at least previously) been allocated roughly proportional to non-spam applications received, as a starting point |
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| 02:43.19 | ojwb | enginuitor: early, assuming it's not just junk at this stage |
| 02:43.26 | caden | my strategy is going to be to submit as early as possible, as soon as i get it past the big ball of suck phase |
| 02:43.35 | caden | so i can get feedback before the deadline |
| 02:43.36 | summatusmentis | enginuitor: I would argue that it's better to give your org a chance to submit feedback on your app |
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| 02:43.43 | rwohleb | enginuitor: the important thing is you are already in touch with the project about yout ideas..... they like that |
| 02:43.50 | summatusmentis | s/submit/provide/ |
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| 02:44.26 | enginuitor | haha, nice |
| 02:44.29 | rwohleb | enginuitor: if they have an IRC channel, etc, then be in it |
| 02:44.30 | homunq | summatismentis++ |
| 02:44.34 | homunq | ibot, botsnack |
| 02:44.34 | ibot | homunq: aw, gee |
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| 02:45.09 | caden | ibot, what does it mean that you have voice? |
| 02:45.34 | caden | you and socinfo are the only ones |
| 02:45.37 | enginuitor | Okay, my plan was to submit once I had a reasonably good idea of what I was doing, and then fill in more/better implementation details |
| 02:45.59 | summatusmentis | caden: it means they can still talk if the channel is put into +m mode (mute) |
| 02:45.59 | ojwb | homunq: and that does seem a little problematic in some ways, but lh and co do take other factors into account - there's a doc about it somewhere |
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| 02:46.29 | ojwb | so e.g. if lh mutes the channel around an announcement, she can still use them |
| 02:46.37 | enginuitor | Just wanted to make sure that I wasn't going to screw my self over that way |
| 02:47.09 | ojwb | enginuitor: you can always explicitly mark it as "draft to solicit early feedback" or something |
| 02:47.23 | caden | ahh... thank you summatusmentis |
| 02:47.24 | ojwb | or talk to the org and ask if they'd like to look at it |
| 02:47.25 | summatusmentis | I expect the channel will get muted on the last day proposals are due, and probably on the day announcements are made too |
| 02:47.58 | caden | will it be reopened after that or closed until next year? |
| 02:48.07 | caden | what will i do for fun??? |
| 02:48.17 | Landon | its always open during the summer |
| 02:48.18 | Landon | and winter |
| 02:48.20 | Landon | ;) |
| 02:48.24 | caden | whew |
| 02:48.27 | Landon | has been idling here for many a year |
| 02:48.31 | cpayan | Can you send a google doc along as the student proposal? |
| 02:48.55 | summatusmentis | Adri2000: they definitely don't mute it forever |
| 02:48.59 | summatusmentis | cpayan: nope |
| 02:49.03 | cpayan | :( |
| 02:49.12 | summatusmentis | wow... not Adri2000 |
| 02:49.14 | Landon | at the most, you would link it if you didn't have enough room to express yourself\ |
| 02:49.14 | summatusmentis | I meant caden |
| 02:49.27 | summatusmentis | right, but they don't allow direct submission |
| 02:49.28 | caden | i figured it out |
| 02:49.31 | ojwb | Adri2000? |
| 02:49.33 | cpayan | nods |
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| 02:49.42 | cpayan | just seemed like it'd be a natural fit, considering |
| 02:49.46 | cpayan | thanks |
| 02:49.50 | summatusmentis | ojwb: missed the c in cad then hit tab |
| 02:49.53 | ojwb | wonders if that was tab completion gone wrong |
| 02:49.54 | ojwb | ah |
| 02:51.57 | p_l | tab completion, the doom of IRC :D |
| 02:52.38 | summatusmentis | <3 tab completion |
| 02:52.49 | summatusmentis | it's the only way my nick ever gets shown fully |
| 02:53.15 | summatusmentis | Landon: I've asked you this before, what org are you applying to? |
| 02:53.18 | Landon | probably thousand parsec |
| 02:53.24 | Landon | I need to get around to it though >.< f'ing school |
| 02:53.31 | summatusmentis | I know right? |
| 02:53.44 | summatusmentis | I'm just now looking at my orgs socghop page |
| 02:53.45 | Landon | and shadow of the colossus is distracting me :P |
| 02:53.55 | newt | i couldn't beat the first boss :X |
| 02:53.56 | summatusmentis | who mentors for thousand parsec? |
| 02:54.05 | summatusmentis | I feel like it's someone who's always here |
| 02:54.18 | Landon | mithro |
| 02:54.26 | Landon | it sure seems like he's always here until you go to looking for him! :p |
| 02:54.32 | Landon | newt: on the 5th boss, omg amazing |
| 02:54.36 | Landon | the camera needs work |
| 02:54.38 | Bloodmaker | !orgbytag |
| 02:54.39 | socinfo | Error: "orgbytag" is not a valid command. |
| 02:54.40 | ojwb | he's always here, but not really always here |
| 02:54.45 | newt | maybe i should try playing it again |
| 02:54.45 | Landon | but damn :P\ |
| 02:54.47 | scorche | !orgbylang |
| 02:54.47 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 02:54.51 | Bloodmaker | this |
| 02:54.53 | Bloodmaker | thx |
| 02:54.53 | Landon | definti[Bdefinitely |
| 02:54.56 | ojwb | or orgbycat |
| 02:55.00 | Landon | it took me the first boss to get the hang of bossfighting |
| 02:55.00 | Bloodmaker | ^that |
| 02:55.35 | cpayan | loves the !orgbylang since finding out about it earlier today |
| 02:55.54 | newt | also- when is your spring break? mine conveniently lined up with SoC registration |
| 02:55.57 | Bloodmaker | aha, found the tags xD |
| 02:56.04 | summatusmentis | newt: mine was right before :( |
| 02:56.08 | Landon | newt: mine was last week |
| 02:56.11 | newt | D: |
| 02:56.22 | summatusmentis | ^5s Landon |
| 02:56.27 | summatusmentis | yay for bad timingg! |
| 02:56.29 | summatusmentis | -g |
| 02:56.40 | mithro | someone after me? |
| 02:56.43 | newt | i filled out my apps today, going to try to get some feedback/re-write tomorrow |
| 02:57.03 | Landon | mithro: if you'll be around in a while, I'd like to talk to you about some of the tp ideas |
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| 03:16.35 | amit_usual | hi , i wish to know how many student applications can a mentoring organization accept |
| 03:17.41 | summatusmentis | !timeline |
| 03:17.41 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 03:19.38 | daste | amit_usual, it depends on how many slots google assigns to each organization |
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| 03:20.43 | amit_usual | are there any criterion on which this is based .. Can i see how many students my organization has mentored previously |
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| 03:23.11 | daste | amit_usual, are you a mentor? |
| 03:23.28 | amit_usual | no |
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| 03:24.11 | daste | well, i *GUESS*, if there's a criterion, it is based on # of applications, past history of the org, and other stuff |
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| 03:25.45 | daste | however, go to the soc2008 website and choose the org you are applying for, there you should see all accepted applications for the last year |
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| 03:30.13 | summatusmentis | I don't think it shows all accepted applications |
| 03:30.23 | summatusmentis | I think just the ones that completed right? |
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| 03:32.02 | ojwb | there's a document about how slots are allocated |
| 03:32.07 | ojwb | !slots |
| 03:32.07 | socinfo | Error: "slots" is not a valid command. |
| 03:32.09 | ojwb | hmm |
| 03:32.52 | ojwb | socinfo: learn slots as http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 03:32.53 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 03:39.17 | Phrozn | are spaces counted as a character in the character limit for the abstract? |
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| 03:41.03 | amit8-88 | !advice |
| 03:41.04 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
| 03:47.29 | nloko | it seems that we are able to edit our proposals even if nobody has commented? I was under the impression this was not going to be allowed? |
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| 03:53.11 | homunq | nloko: good news. |
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| 03:53.54 | ojwb | nloko: that's how it was in the old web app |
| 03:54.43 | homunq | lh: "my question is, if some people's application form is easier than others, do they get more applications and thus more slots? I actually think we're probably about average in how tough our application is, so I'm not begging for special treatment. But it could be unfair for some." |
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| 03:55.48 | lh | homunq: i really don't think so. most student apply based on their area of interest. |
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| 03:56.19 | lh | s/student/students |
| 03:56.32 | skiquel | hi lh |
| 03:56.39 | skiquel | planet-soc is coming along |
| 03:56.39 | lh | skiquel: greetings |
| 03:56.42 | lh | rock! |
| 03:56.47 | skiquel | have you spoken to "Alexu_a" yet? |
| 03:56.56 | lh | skiquel: not in the last few days, no. |
| 03:56.58 | skiquel | familiar with the name yet? |
| 03:56.58 | skiquel | ah |
| 03:57.13 | skiquel | well btw, I'm Tony.. I was a summer of Code student for drupal last year |
| 03:57.22 | skiquel | nice to meet you |
| 03:57.37 | lh | skiquel: the pleasure is mine. |
| 03:57.44 | lh | follows @planetsoc |
| 03:58.08 | noy | hello lh, might you have a moment to answer a question about eligbility? |
| 03:58.27 | lh | noy: sure, go for it. |
| 03:58.41 | lh | skiquel: what's on the radar/roadmap for planet-soc? |
| 03:59.02 | skiquel | we want to incorporate easier ways to handle screencasts and screenshots |
| 03:59.14 | noy | I believe Sirp has already spoken to you about this, but we have a potential applicant that seems to be on the cusp of eligibility. |
| 03:59.48 | Sirp | lh: yes this is a follow up to what I was asking earlier.....the student's situation seems to be moderately complex... |
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| 04:00.01 | lh | noy: what's the question? |
| 04:00.08 | lh | skiquel: ++ that's great. |
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| 04:00.18 | skiquel | we're doing it on the newer version of drupal which is *much* better for what we're trying todo... essentially we want to aggregate SoC blogs, commit feeds, screencasts, screenshots |
| 04:00.21 | skiquel | indeedles |
| 04:00.37 | lh | skiquel: fan-tas-tic. |
| 04:00.49 | noy | Okay the student meets the age requirement, by two days. He's also got acceptance to several high level universities and intends to go to them in the fall. |
| 04:01.16 | summatusmentis | all of them?!? |
| 04:01.22 | hypa7ia | hehe |
| 04:01.24 | corn | summatusmentis: just one ;) |
| 04:01.35 | summatusmentis | :-P |
| 04:01.37 | jasebo | kids these days! |
| 04:02.12 | noy | several isn't all. |
| 04:02.27 | lh | noy: i am still not sure i understand the question. |
| 04:02.33 | summatusmentis | so... my org, in their template, doesn't explicitly say anywhere that they want a description of the project |
| 04:03.00 | Landon | summatusmentis: I would guess that's an expected thing :P |
| 04:03.01 | lh | summatusmentis: um, it could be added. or perhaps they want the application to be freeform |
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| 04:03.21 | noy | Well he's not currently enrolled in a university, but has conditional acceptance, and will attend in the fall. |
| 04:03.26 | summatusmentis | lh: I know, obviously it's something they're looking for, I just think it's funny :) |
| 04:03.30 | lh | noy: so you are admitted to university. good enough for me. we'd want a letter of acceptance from the university. |
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| 04:03.36 | lh | there we go problem solved. |
| 04:04.01 | lh | summatusmentis: i think anyone who made that argument would deserve an up-close encounter with a trout. |
| 04:04.05 | noy | lh: I'm not the student in question, I'm one of the project developers. |
| 04:04.07 | noy | Thank you though |
| 04:04.10 | noy | I appreciate it. |
| 04:04.18 | lh | noy: ah sorry. no problem, glad it worked out. |
| 04:04.21 | summatusmentis | lh: some poeople really like trout >_> |
| 04:04.24 | Sirp | lh: ahhh great, thank you. Sorry if we made that problem more difficult than it had to be. |
| 04:04.25 | harlan | like monty python's fish-slapping dance? |
| 04:04.32 | lh | harlan: precisely. |
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| 04:04.54 | lh | summatusmentis: i suspect no one wants to get thwacked with one. |
| 04:05.04 | Landon | especially not a window |
| 04:05.09 | jasebo | depends if it is smoked |
| 04:05.13 | summatusmentis | a window trout? |
| 04:05.14 | lh | Sirp: no worries. |
| 04:05.21 | Landon | summatusmentis: have you seen The Core? |
| 04:05.27 | lh | goes back to torchwood |
| 04:05.33 | summatusmentis | Landon: no... what is it? |
| 04:05.40 | Landon | oh |
| 04:05.41 | Landon | :( |
| 04:05.46 | Landon | a lame armageddon-y movie |
| 04:05.48 | harlan | lh: the tv series? |
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| 04:05.57 | lh | harlan: yes. |
| 04:05.59 | Landon | but in one scene the birds lose their sense of direction |
| 04:06.02 | Landon | and are flying everywhere |
| 04:06.13 | harlan | cool - I want to watch those soon - I've never seen them. |
| 04:06.15 | Landon | especially into a big window display at some store |
| 04:06.16 | scorche | harlan: no...the actual complex...lh fights aliens in her spare time |
| 04:06.21 | Landon | and if you pause and go frame by frame |
| 04:06.26 | harlan | :) |
| 04:06.26 | lh | scorche: shhh! |
| 04:06.27 | Landon | you'll notice a fish was thrown at teh windows |
| 04:06.31 | Landon | :) |
| 04:06.31 | scorche | whoops! |
| 04:06.41 | summatusmentis | Landon: :-D that makes more sense |
| 04:06.55 | summatusmentis | torchwood? |
| 04:06.59 | lh | Landon: what was the reason for this projectile fish? |
| 04:07.03 | summatusmentis | never heard of it |
| 04:07.05 | lh | summatusmentis: mmmm. torchwood. |
| 04:07.11 | lh | summatusmentis: you are really missing out. |
| 04:07.15 | scorche | do projectile fish *need* reasons? |
| 04:07.35 | lh | summatusmentis: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0485301/ |
| 04:07.48 | lh | scorche: no of course not. but you ought to know why they were thrown. |
| 04:07.51 | scorche | i need to watch the 3rd season |
| 04:07.56 | summatusmentis | lh: are you going to the afsbpw? |
| 04:08.10 | lh | summatusmentis: when is it again? |
| 04:08.15 | chx | lh: so what is the current word on grouping smaller tasks together? i am not talking of dozens just 3-4 maybe. |
| 04:08.22 | summatusmentis | June 1 to 5 |
| 04:08.58 | scorche | oh wait...the third season hasnt aired yet?...lame |
| 04:09.06 | lh | chx: first i've heard of the question. honestly, that's suboptimal. we're accepting fewer students this year, so bigger projects are, IMHO, btter |
| 04:09.09 | lh | better even |
| 04:09.13 | lh | summatusmentis: where is it? |
| 04:09.20 | lh | i suspect i'm not but it is worth asking |
| 04:09.22 | glaksmono | is it too late to apply tomo? |
| 04:09.23 | summatusmentis | Stanford |
| 04:09.26 | summatusmentis | http://workshop.openafs.org/afsbpw09/hotel.html |
| 04:09.30 | glaksmono | hehe.. |
| 04:09.36 | lh | glaksmono: tomo? |
| 04:09.41 | glaksmono | yeah LH |
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| 04:09.50 | caden | is tomo tomorrow? |
| 04:09.51 | lh | summatusmentis: i'm there |
| 04:09.51 | summatusmentis | uuh... minus the hotel.html |
| 04:09.57 | lh | woo woo |
| 04:09.58 | glaksmono | lol yeah.. |
| 04:09.58 | scorche | glaksmono: you have plenty of time to apply...but start at least discussion your app with your desired orgs asap |
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| 04:10.05 | lh | !timeline |
| 04:10.05 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 04:10.07 | summatusmentis | lh: \o/ |
| 04:10.09 | lh | glaksmono: there you go. |
| 04:10.16 | lh | summatusmentis: you coming too? |
| 04:10.23 | glaksmono | yeah, but i thought sometimes it's so crowded such that the guys that apply late would not even get the chance to get reviewed? |
| 04:10.24 | summatusmentis | if I can figure out the money stuff, yes |
| 04:10.25 | glaksmono | is that even possible? |
| 04:10.54 | summatusmentis | glaksmono: afaik, all apps get reviewed |
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| 04:11.20 | scorche | glaksmono: look at the timeline...we have almost 2 weeks to review the apps after student app period closes |
| 04:11.42 | scorche | well, maybe more |
| 04:11.47 | ojwb | but most orgs will look positively on students who've talked to them more |
| 04:11.57 | lh | glaksmono: ah see what you mean. honestly, it doesn't matter if you apply early or at deadline. if you are in dialogue now with your potential mentors and talk to them about your idea, they will review your application. |
| 04:12.10 | ojwb | whether that's by submitted an app earlier and iterating on it, or discussion on irc or mailing lists |
| 04:12.12 | lh | or at the very least tell you to get it in quick because they're getting inundated. |
| 04:12.13 | lh | :) |
| 04:12.20 | scorche | personally, i dont care what time a student submits their application...what i *do* care about is when/how often they communicate with me/us |
| 04:12.31 | lh | scorche: exactly. |
| 04:13.32 | scorche | of course these are my thoughts, but it wouldnt surprise me if that was the opinion of the rest of the mentoring orgs |
| 04:13.55 | jasebo | I agree |
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| 04:14.28 | lh | soooo.... awesome. |
| 04:14.29 | lh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvBiSW5QFKY |
| 04:14.32 | hypa7ia | agrees with scorche completely |
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| 04:15.07 | khushboo | hi every body |
| 04:15.11 | scorche | haha |
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| 04:16.26 | khushboo | can you tell about gsoc |
| 04:16.33 | harlan | very nice, lh! |
| 04:16.36 | khushboo | how to select ideas |
| 04:16.40 | lh | khushboo: what would you like to know? |
| 04:16.47 | lh | matt cutts just tweeted it. |
| 04:17.14 | khushboo | how to select project? |
| 04:17.31 | scorche | lh: have you read the private island hot to? =P |
| 04:17.42 | lh | scorche: yes. |
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| 04:17.56 | lh | i suggest we lack two major resources: time to research such an island, capital to procure it |
| 04:18.35 | harlan | lh: on a completely different subject,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx1RccwlF5g |
| 04:19.49 | hypa7ia | !faq | khushboo |
| 04:19.49 | socinfo | Error: "faq" is not a valid command. |
| 04:20.00 | lh | khushboo: check out the list of categorized mentoring organizations |
| 04:20.02 | lh | !advice |
| 04:20.02 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
| 04:20.06 | lh | advice for students page |
| 04:20.09 | lh | !faqs |
| 04:20.09 | socinfo | Error: "faqs" is not a valid command. |
| 04:20.09 | Landon | lh: projectile fish; I have no clue, but it makes me watch more developer commentaries |
| 04:20.12 | lh | hrm. |
| 04:20.16 | Landon | wait |
| 04:20.19 | Landon | developer? |
| 04:20.20 | Landon | :\ |
| 04:20.23 | Landon | I think I'm doin it wrong |
| 04:20.30 | Landon | can't think of the word for the life of him |
| 04:20.30 | Landon | oh well |
| 04:20.37 | lh | khushboo: also take a look at the frequently asked questions |
| 04:20.46 | lh | ~faqs |
| 04:20.47 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 04:20.47 | khushboo | ok |
| 04:20.49 | khushboo | thnx |
| 04:21.22 | lh | khushboo: no problem. on the advice for student page, you will find a link to a categorized list of the mentoring organizations for 2009. |
| 04:21.29 | chx | lh: let me lol at "capital to procure it". You guys could buy a country or two if you wanted to. |
| 04:21.34 | lh | and a search engine to look through them |
| 04:21.43 | lh | chx: this is a private purchase decision. |
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| 04:22.32 | khushboo | how will they select student for project |
| 04:22.38 | khushboo | on wat basis? |
| 04:22.38 | lh | socinfo: learn faq as http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 04:22.38 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 04:22.46 | chx | khushboo: flip a coin |
| 04:22.53 | chx | khushboo: many many times |
| 04:23.00 | harlan | is sockinfo a supybot? |
| 04:23.12 | summatusmentis | someone said it was, yes |
| 04:23.15 | khushboo | really??????// |
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| 04:23.19 | lh | khushboo: that depends completely on the project, you have to ask them. they should all have contact info on their pages, or join their irc channel |
| 04:23.24 | lh | chx: :P |
| 04:23.26 | chx | khushboo: http://drupal.org/node/59037 |
| 04:23.27 | lh | khushboo: no. |
| 04:23.38 | chx | khushboo: this how to was copied by many projects. |
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| 04:23.40 | lh | khushboo: that is good advice in general |
| 04:23.52 | summatusmentis | khushboo: IRC is awesome, I recommend that :) |
| 04:23.53 | chx | khushboo: it pretty much explains how we choose. |
| 04:23.58 | harlan | I ask because we need a supybot wrangler for a bit - ours needs some care and feeding. |
| 04:24.02 | summatusmentis | although, the org may feel otherwise |
| 04:24.13 | khushboo | you people tell |
| 04:24.13 | hypa7ia | harlan: it's a supybot from what i hear |
| 04:24.22 | harlan | cool. |
| 04:24.24 | lh | summatusmentis: usually irc as a first try works though |
| 04:24.27 | khushboo | how should i select the project |
| 04:24.33 | summatusmentis | lh: very true |
| 04:24.33 | khushboo | which type of project |
| 04:24.36 | lh | khushboo: based on what interests you. |
| 04:24.39 | khushboo | i know c and java only |
| 04:24.46 | lh | khushboo: that part you have to decide for yourself. see what's out there. |
| 04:24.59 | khushboo | i have done one rtos project in WIPROTECH. |
| 04:25.02 | summatusmentis | OpenAFS uses C </shameless plug> |
| 04:25.17 | harlan | khushboo: are you good with apache and web applications? |
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| 04:25.28 | khushboo | No |
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| 04:25.30 | lh | khushboo: plug c and java into the search engine linked to the advice for students page |
| 04:25.31 | chx | do we have a nice factoid for the delicious page? |
| 04:25.34 | khushboo | but I can do |
| 04:25.44 | khushboo | ok |
| 04:25.50 | lh | chx: we do, but the advice for student page is good in general |
| 04:25.54 | lh | !orgsbycat |
| 04:25.54 | socinfo | "orgsbycat" is 2009 orgs list by category: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Categories (note: work in progress) |
| 04:26.03 | lh | khushboo: try this |
| 04:26.08 | lh | ^^ |
| 04:26.22 | lh | khushboo: good luck |
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| 04:26.28 | lh | returns to torchwood |
| 04:26.32 | harlan | I think I shoudl look there too - I have no idea if our projects are listed there or now. |
| 04:26.33 | khushboo | ok |
| 04:26.35 | khushboo | thnx |
| 04:26.36 | harlan | or not |
| 04:27.10 | hypa7ia | !orgsbylang |
| 04:27.10 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 04:27.20 | hypa7ia | khushboo: that list is by programming language |
| 04:27.36 | lh | makes note of factoid |
| 04:27.38 | khushboo | which list? |
| 04:27.40 | hypa7ia | harlan: if you're not listed in delicious let me know, i'll add you |
| 04:27.49 | khushboo | send me the link, plzzzzzzzzz |
| 04:27.52 | hypa7ia | khushboo: the one right above my comment |
| 04:29.21 | khushboo | is this ur first time? |
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| 04:29.31 | khushboo | Actually its my fist time |
| 04:29.53 | harlan | hypa7ia: how should I start to see if any of our projects are listed? |
| 04:29.56 | lh | khushboo: seriously, you need to be willing to read. |
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| 04:30.16 | vinc456 | khushboo: applying is going to take some work and research on your part |
| 04:30.25 | khushboo | ok |
| 04:30.39 | hypa7ia | harlan: what org are you with? |
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| 04:31.04 | harlan | ntp |
| 04:31.07 | khushboo | I am in last sem of my B.Tech , so can i apply for this |
| 04:31.24 | hypa7ia | khushboo: read the FAQ |
| 04:31.28 | hypa7ia | please |
| 04:32.03 | khushboo | ok |
| 04:33.12 | arulalan | hai to all, i am interested to do project in OCR(Optimal Character Reganasation) for english and tamil languages. For that which organization i have to approach?any one can help me please |
| 04:33.22 | hypa7ia | harlan: it looks like you're not listed at all |
| 04:33.38 | harlan | OK, how do we fix that? |
| 04:33.44 | harlan | what do I need to do? |
| 04:33.52 | hypa7ia | harlan: are you on the mentors email list? |
| 04:33.56 | harlan | yes |
| 04:33.59 | harlan | I think so |
| 04:34.04 | Landon | heh |
| 04:34.04 | hypa7ia | the user/pass for the delicious account is on there |
| 04:34.08 | Landon | summatusmentis: my boss made a funny today |
| 04:34.12 | harlan | OK, I'll look now. |
| 04:34.16 | Landon | "I know how many of you are reluctant to use others code" |
| 04:34.17 | hypa7ia | if you're not familiar with delicious i can make the entry for you |
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| 04:35.00 | glaksmono | thanks LH, scorche, and everybody! :) sorry i was playing with JS |
| 04:35.42 | khushboo | its very tough to search ideas |
| 04:36.00 | summatusmentis | Landon: people are reluctant to use others code? |
| 04:36.13 | summatusmentis | my professors pretty regularly give us code to build from |
| 04:36.21 | summatusmentis | they just never give us enough time to get to know it |
| 04:36.27 | khushboo | if u people hev any idea related to java or c then plzzz tell me |
| 04:36.42 | Landon | summatusmentis: I had to exchange a look with my suitemate, the other linux user I know there |
| 04:36.43 | Landon | heh |
| 04:36.59 | summatusmentis | :-D |
| 04:37.03 | Landon | we were both like "Would rather use someone elses gcode" |
| 04:37.20 | summatusmentis | khushboo: OpenAFS uses C exclusively |
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| 04:37.33 | khushboo | ok |
| 04:37.40 | summatusmentis | Landon: for serious |
| 04:38.00 | summatusmentis | I should learn LaTeX at some point |
| 04:38.28 | ajray | LaTeX ROCKS! best document layout ever. I'll never use Word again. |
| 04:38.37 | Upthorn | haha |
| 04:38.44 | Upthorn | someone found waldo on Google street view |
| 04:38.47 | Landon | ajray++ |
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| 04:38.53 | Upthorn | http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&sll=51.463676,-0.21536&sspn=0.009505,0.019312&ie=UTF8&ll=51.46386,-0.215499&spn=0.009505,0.019312&z=16&iwloc=addr&layer=c&cbll=51.463944,-0.215446&panoid=aTUlkjN4ZDh_2sWaOxjDPg&cbp=12,96.223121611225,,0,27.200000000000024 |
| 04:39.09 | r0bby | Waldo doesn't exist! |
| 04:39.33 | summatusmentis | ajray: I just never have time |
| 04:40.02 | hypa7ia | khushboo: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages <-- on this page, on the right side: click the language you want |
| 04:40.15 | khushboo | OK |
| 04:41.23 | khushboo | THNX |
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| 04:42.28 | chx | Upthorn: ?? how do you know that's Waldo..? I am not getting something |
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| 04:42.35 | harlan | hypa7ia: what Subject: am I looking for on the delicious login? |
| 04:42.36 | khushboo | DO U HAV ANY IDEA RELATED TO RTOS |
| 04:43.06 | enginuitor | khushboo: Deactivate caps-lock |
| 04:43.18 | Upthorn | chx: http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/waldo/images/thumb/7/79/Waldo-Magazine-1.jpg/300px-Waldo-Magazine-1.jpg |
| 04:43.22 | khushboo | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.26 | khushboo | its deactivated |
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| 04:44.42 | harlan | hypa7ia: found it. |
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| 04:46.22 | Mkop2 | this is not _directly_ related to GSoC, but it is indirectly related. I'm wondering, do most open source projects have devs put @author tags in their code, or not? |
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| 04:51.03 | lh | Mkop2: Their names are usually in an authors file yes. |
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| 04:51.39 | lh | or at least recorded in source control history |
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| 04:53.09 | glenker_ | Mkop2: I guessing you are reffering to the Java @author tag for javadoc right? |
| 04:53.09 | Mkop2 | glenker_: yes |
| 04:53.09 | ojwb | doesn't think that's useful in code which gets worked on by many people |
| 04:53.11 | Mkop2 | I'm just wondering, b/c the project I'm applying for specifically does not include the @author tags, but does include authors in the svn repo |
| 04:53.14 | glenker_ | I think its more common just to more your name in a thank you file |
| 04:53.16 | ojwb | but check the projects coding standards, etc, or ask them |
| 04:53.41 | Mkop2 | and we were discussing in IRC whether that's standard practice among open source projects |
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| 04:57.29 | harlan | hypa7ia: OK, I'm in and I have never used delicious before. What do I do to add tags to the GSoC project ideas we have? |
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| 04:58.03 | ojwb | harlan: use the username/password sent to the mentors list |
| 04:58.27 | harlan | I did, and I'm logged in. |
| 04:58.30 | ojwb | ah |
| 04:58.39 | ojwb | found it fairly obvious |
| 04:58.45 | ojwb | let me look |
| 04:59.07 | ojwb | yeah, find ntp and click "EDIT" under it |
| 04:59.28 | harlan | do I put NTP in the "type a tag" window? |
| 04:59.44 | ojwb | go here: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009 |
| 04:59.48 | ojwb | and page through to it |
| 04:59.56 | ojwb | they're mostly in reverse order it seems |
| 05:00.07 | harlan | tries that |
| 05:00.07 | harlan | OK, there is no bookmark with that tag |
| 05:00.18 | ojwb | i doubt it would be tagged ntp |
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| 05:00.33 | harlan | If what I'm going thru is the bookmark list, ntp is not in that list. But I'll do what you say. |
| 05:01.14 | harlan | OK, found it. |
| 05:01.23 | harlan | So now I EDIT and then add tags to it? |
| 05:01.51 | ojwb | http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/?page=14 |
| 05:01.53 | ojwb | oh, you got iy |
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| 05:01.55 | ojwb | it |
| 05:01.57 | ojwb | yeah |
| 05:01.58 | harlan | me tries that too. |
| 05:02.05 | ojwb | it completes as you type the tags |
| 05:02.11 | harlan | I had delicious sort the list in alpha and then I found it. |
| 05:02.15 | harlan | OK, thanks. |
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| 05:03.06 | hypa7ia | harlan: add one link to your main project page |
| 05:03.21 | hypa7ia | then add tags for the languages your projects are in, and topics |
| 05:03.27 | hypa7ia | try to reuse existing tags |
| 05:03.55 | vinod | can anyone please tell me what "document" has to be created under "User" of gsoc?(there is some option saying create new document, what is this and what to be written in document?) |
| 05:04.58 | hypa7ia | vinod: you don't have to create anything |
| 05:05.07 | hypa7ia | it's just there if you want to include additional stuff |
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| 05:06.38 | harlan | hypa7ia: I know you said main project page - we use a twiki; should I use the main page of the project or the main page for the GSoC2009 stuff? |
| 05:06.54 | vinod | hypa7ia: addtional stuff????? what kind? |
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| 05:07.18 | hypa7ia | vinod: additional documents that whatever org you are applying for may require |
| 05:07.22 | hypa7ia | some do not require anything |
| 05:08.11 | hypa7ia | harlan: it should be your page on http://socghop.appspot.com/ actually |
| 05:08.15 | hypa7ia | if you look at all the other links |
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| 05:08.23 | harlan | OK, thanks. |
| 05:08.35 | harlan | that lnk is already there. |
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| 05:08.48 | vinod | hypa7ia: thanx alot for information and can you help in knowing my mentors email address, i searched for it in the organisations page but i could not get it. |
| 05:09.07 | hypa7ia | vinod: what org? |
| 05:09.36 | vinod | hypia7ia: Apache |
| 05:09.38 | hypa7ia | harlan: so tag it with the appropriate tags |
| 05:10.05 | vinod | hypa7ia: Apache Software foundation(ASF) |
| 05:10.44 | hypa7ia | vinod: as it says on their page, there is no central point of contact for apache. you need to contact the project you are interested in within apache |
| 05:11.07 | hypa7ia | vinod: look here http://wiki.apache.org/general/SummerOfCode2009 |
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| 05:12.42 | vinod | hypa7ia: so can i go to there project site mailing lists and openly drop a question regarding gsoc project |
| 05:13.22 | hypa7ia | vinod: that's what you're supposed to do, yes |
| 05:13.24 | hypa7ia | or irc |
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| 05:13.53 | harlan | thanks hypa7ia |
| 05:14.12 | vinod | hypa7ia: thanx a lot and i'll try that out right now. |
| 05:14.17 | harlan | you too, ojwb |
| 05:14.39 | hypa7ia | good luck vinod |
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| 05:16.33 | ojwb | harlan: sure |
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| 05:35.12 | scorche | !anyone |
| 05:35.13 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
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| 06:08.22 | vinc456 | can i edit a student proposal once it has been submitted? |
| 06:08.31 | enginuitor | vinc456: yes |
| 06:08.43 | enginuitor | vinc456: And you probably should/will |
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| 06:08.56 | vinc456 | ok, thanks |
| 06:10.03 | enginuitor | vinc456: The advice that was given to me was to submit as solid a proposal as you can manage initially, then actively solicit feedback from your target organization in order to revise and improve it |
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| 06:13.45 | jenred | are there any mentor organization on here or is everyone a student? |
| 06:14.16 | scorche | plenty of mentoring orgs here |
| 06:14.23 | vinc456 | enginuitor: the opening of my proposal asks for advice, do you think it would be overkill to follow-up with an email to my mentors? |
| 06:14.24 | enginuitor | I would say that the bulk of the users here are students |
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| 06:14.46 | vinc456 | enginuitor: i don't want to spam them if they're already notified :\ |
| 06:14.54 | enginuitor | but there are a number of mentors on here as well |
| 06:15.41 | enginuitor | vinc456: My instinct would be to direct requests for advice directly to the relevant people rather than including them in your proposal |
| 06:15.47 | jenred | great so this is our first year as a menotring organization -- we are getting a lot questions from students who don't seem to understand the application process. Is this normal? Or did we miss something somewhere? |
| 06:16.13 | jenred | menotring = mentoring |
| 06:16.23 | ojwb | jenred: the process is different this year, and not as well documented as before I think |
| 06:16.24 | vinc456 | enginuitor: i agree with your instincts, thanks again! |
| 06:16.39 | ojwb | but a lot of applicants are rubbish about reading docs and faqs |
| 06:16.41 | vinc456 | jenred: i think a lot of people don't like to read |
| 06:16.55 | grover | well that's a plus... |
| 06:16.58 | vinc456 | works for me though :P |
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| 06:17.15 | ojwb | it's a plus if you're someone who bothers to... |
| 06:17.51 | enginuitor | jenred: When Google waves $4500 in the air, it's bound to bring in a fair number of people who don't often bother to RTFM :-) |
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| 06:18.10 | ojwb | jenred: actually, the software is different, the process itself isn't that different |
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| 06:18.43 | enginuitor | jenred: What project are you with, by the way? |
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| 06:19.01 | jenred | Systers |
| 06:19.28 | jenred | http://abiwt.org/systers-soc/doku.php |
| 06:19.34 | enginuitor | ahh |
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| 06:20.20 | ojwb | nice name |
| 06:20.23 | ojwb | (systers) |
| 06:20.33 | enginuitor | indeed |
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| 06:23.58 | vinc456 | !stats |
| 06:23.58 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
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| 06:26.57 | enginuitor | hahahaha |
| 06:27.03 | enginuitor | "The loudest one was sumit_k_, who yelled 28.9% of the time!" |
| 06:27.24 | ojwb | the time graph doesn't seem to have the important context of the timezone it is for |
| 06:27.45 | ojwb | it's busiest at 3pm, but 3pm where? |
| 06:28.07 | enginuitor | Does that pull userpics from the GSoC site? |
| 06:29.52 | jenred | thanks ojwb and eginuitor for the info |
| 06:30.04 | enginuitor | np |
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| 06:32.34 | khushboo | Does anyone know about ideas related to html |
| 06:32.41 | khushboo | or website creations |
| 06:33.12 | vinc456 | !catbylang |
| 06:33.12 | socinfo | Error: "catbylang" is not a valid command. |
| 06:33.17 | enginuitor | khushboo: There are definitely some projects working on web content management systems, etc. |
| 06:33.28 | ojwb | !orgbylang |
| 06:33.28 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 06:33.29 | khushboo | joomala? |
| 06:33.35 | ojwb | um |
| 06:33.35 | enginuitor | khushboo: Geeklog is the first that comes to mind |
| 06:33.37 | ojwb | !orgbycat |
| 06:33.37 | socinfo | "orgbycat" is 2009 orgs list by category: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Categories (note: work in progress) |
| 06:33.39 | ojwb | I mean |
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| 06:34.22 | khushboo | wats this? |
| 06:34.25 | vinc456 | heh what the heck was i thinking, catbylang |
| 06:34.32 | vinc456 | you can search by category |
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| 06:35.22 | enginuitor | Oh, and Drupal |
| 06:35.33 | enginuitor | As well as, surely, a handful of others |
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| 06:39.39 | the9a3eedi | hmm |
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| 06:39.45 | the9a3eedi | question: |
| 06:39.49 | the9a3eedi | if I ever join GSoC |
| 06:40.02 | the9a3eedi | should I mention my country of origin? or the place I'm currently residing in? :P |
| 06:40.04 | ojwb | khushboo: it's what you should be reading |
| 06:40.06 | the9a3eedi | not a big deal |
| 06:40.06 | the9a3eedi | lol |
| 06:40.27 | enginuitor | the9a3eedi: You do have to specify where you're living |
| 06:40.32 | khushboo | actually i am searching easy projects that i can do |
| 06:40.36 | the9a3eedi | ah.. |
| 06:40.36 | ojwb | the9a3eedi: you're native language and timezone are certainly useful |
| 06:41.01 | ojwb | khushboo: look for orgs there in the areas you're interested in, then view their lists of projects |
| 06:41.03 | the9a3eedi | my english is stronger than my native language :P I've been in an international school my entire life, so yeah :P |
| 06:41.19 | khushboo | ok |
| 06:41.21 | ojwb | khushboo: you need to do the work for yourself, we won't spoonfeed you |
| 06:41.32 | khushboo | ya i know |
| 06:41.34 | khushboo | thnx |
| 06:41.50 | ojwb | khushboo: I just mentioned it as you seem to keep reasking... |
| 06:41.56 | enginuitor | the9a3eedi: Your "country of origin" shouldn't give you any advantage or handicap as far as application ranking is concerned, so I'd say only bring it up if it's somehow relevant |
| 06:42.11 | the9a3eedi | with that said |
| 06:42.31 | ojwb | the timezone may be useful for picking a mentor |
| 06:42.34 | the9a3eedi | I feel sorry for iranians, sudanians, cubans, and all those people who live in "restricted countries" |
| 06:42.35 | ojwb | but the org can always ask |
| 06:42.41 | the9a3eedi | koreans too |
| 06:42.47 | ojwb | that's true, that is relevant |
| 06:43.00 | vinc456 | the9a3eedi: what are restricted countries? |
| 06:43.27 | enginuitor | Yeah, I should clarify by saying that I was referring to ethnic background, rather than current place of residence |
| 06:43.27 | the9a3eedi | vinc456: well.. "restricted" isn't the right word.. I'm talking about countries where its illegal in the US to do any business with |
| 06:43.28 | ojwb | vinc456: us companies are prohibitted by us law from dealing with some countries |
| 06:43.49 | ojwb | the FAQ has a list |
| 06:43.49 | the9a3eedi | that includes Google |
| 06:43.50 | vinc456 | ah yes that could be a problem |
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| 06:44.16 | the9a3eedi | well, I'm not in one of those countries so no problem. I just feel sorry for those who want to join GSoC (with good intentions) but cant because of something like this :P |
| 06:44.26 | rani | can we learn any lang after the selection of project |
| 06:45.04 | rani | actually i know only c and java |
| 06:45.07 | enginuitor | rani: Could you elaborate on your question? |
| 06:45.30 | rani | so can i learn any lang after the selection of project |
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| 06:46.03 | Vamsi_ | rani: you would be required to the language as a requirement, you can learn about their api, frameworks etc as you go |
| 06:46.13 | Vamsi_ | have the* |
| 06:46.23 | rani | i think its tough to get selected in gsoc |
| 06:46.35 | rani | ok |
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| 06:47.25 | enginuitor | rani: Most projects will specify what language experience is required... if a project specifies knowledge of a certain language as a prerequisite, it probably means that trying to learn it on the spot before coding starts is not a realistic option |
| 06:47.26 | rani | and the most imp thing is the selection of right project |
| 06:47.49 | rani | ya u r right |
| 06:47.55 | vinc456 | rani: i must have looked through hundreds before finding something that looked remotely suitable and interesting |
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| 06:48.17 | rani | wats u r intrest? |
| 06:48.26 | vinc456 | and yes it seems to be very competitive, there seem to be many applicants |
| 06:48.30 | vinc456 | network programming |
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| 06:48.49 | enginuitor | On that subject, anyone know off-hand what the total applicant count was last year? |
| 06:48.55 | joeyadams | 1125 |
| 06:48.58 | joeyadams | err |
| 06:49.02 | joeyadams | that was the accepted count |
| 06:49.03 | vinc456 | that's accepted i think |
| 06:49.04 | Vamsi_ | vinc456: agreed, and when i found it I it instantly clicked this was the one for me. |
| 06:49.17 | joeyadams | I think applied count was over 3000 |
| 06:49.38 | enginuitor | Gotcha |
| 06:50.15 | vinc456 | this year there are less positions available and i'm guessing more applicants (as the program becomes more popular and the sorry state of the economy) |
| 06:50.19 | tushar_hailstone | how many applied last year? |
| 06:51.34 | rani | how much time will they provide to complete the project? |
| 06:51.49 | Vamsi_ | rani: Last I remember its 7 weeks |
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| 06:52.03 | rani | only 7 weeks? |
| 06:52.12 | rani | less than 2 months |
| 06:52.14 | rani | !!!!!! |
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| 06:52.20 | enginuitor | haha |
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| 06:52.56 | enginuitor | Perhaps it should be :-D |
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| 07:05.11 | prea | !help |
| 07:05.11 | socinfo | "help" is see !faq, !advice and !wiki |
| 07:05.19 | prea | !advice |
| 07:05.19 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
| 07:05.24 | prea | !wiki |
| 07:05.25 | socinfo | "wiki" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/w/list |
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| 07:12.29 | prea | ! |
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| 07:20.34 | thebolt | hi |
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| 07:22.43 | ojwb | http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/ProgramStatistics |
| 07:22.48 | ojwb | gives the numbers for previous years |
| 07:23.07 | ojwb | apparently last year's 7000+ apps were from 3000 or so students |
| 07:23.20 | kblin | thebolt: ping |
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| 07:24.57 | thebolt | kblin: pong |
| 07:25.07 | thebolt | kblin: seems i cannot subscribe to general@.. :/ |
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| 07:26.58 | kblin | thebolt: hm, sorry about that, I can ping our infra team |
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| 07:27.41 | thebolt | kblin: i already got a mail from your ml-master (cause my mail didn't go through, not subscribed).. also poked my postmaster |
| 07:27.44 | thebolt | will see what happens |
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| 07:29.24 | ozancaglayan | thebolt: hi |
| 07:29.31 | ozancaglayan | oops sorry |
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| 08:34.12 | devvrat | peeps into the silent zone |
| 08:34.49 | kolipey | is anyone online |
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| 08:35.19 | kolipey | hav u applied for project |
| 08:35.28 | Gurpartap | have u? |
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| 08:35.37 | p_l | not yet sent, I'm going to send my applications today |
| 08:35.41 | kolipey | thinking |
| 08:35.53 | kolipey | have u talked to mentors |
| 08:36.38 | p_l | kolipey: With NetBSD yes and a little with Plan9 |
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| 08:37.58 | kolipey | is it important to talk to mentors |
| 08:38.20 | susscorfa | after the student registration for do i then get an application form ? |
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| 08:55.52 | rks | hello every one |
| 08:56.09 | rks | I ned to apply for GSOC 2009 |
| 08:56.58 | rks | need to know the organisation list thru language prefernce |
| 08:57.06 | ojwb | !orgbylang |
| 08:57.07 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 08:57.07 | rks | can u send me the link |
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| 09:35.18 | devvrat | !logs |
| 09:35.19 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 09:55.51 | glenker_ | what exactly does the "Im network" option want in the student form? |
| 09:56.14 | Chrononaut | glenker_: probably something like "google talk" or "msn" |
| 09:56.32 | Chainsaw | glenker_: Or ICQ, whatever it is you kids use these days that isn't IRC :) |
| 09:57.08 | actown | ICQ is old too |
| 09:57.37 | glenker_ | iirc icq and aim are pretty much the same protocol |
| 09:57.45 | actown | yeah |
| 09:57.47 | Chainsaw | glenker_: Correct, Oscar. |
| 09:57.55 | Chainsaw | glenker_: But for this exercise, that level of detail is not required :) |
| 09:58.11 | glenker_ | I am just wondering if this is going to being interpretted by a machine |
| 09:58.27 | glenker_ | and whether to put aim, oscar, icq or something else |
| 09:58.39 | ojwb | it'll be twitter now won't it? |
| 09:58.45 | ojwb | or is that so last week now? |
| 09:58.54 | enginuitor | glenker_: If I recall correctly, the tooltip's examples were pretty specific |
| 09:58.56 | jasebo | skype |
| 09:58.59 | ojwb | glenker_: pretty sure it's human readable |
| 09:59.05 | enginuitor | e.g. xmpp:gmail.com/home for Google Talk, etc. |
| 09:59.56 | enginuitor | I know it gave more examples, but unfortunately I don't recall at the moment |
| 10:00.04 | glenker_ | theres one for irc |
| 10:00.20 | glenker_ | its just in the case of aim, there is really only one service/server |
| 10:01.06 | glenker_ | its just marginally confusing what I should put there, given everything just said |
| 10:01.28 | kblin | glenker_: if you're going to use IRC, put your IRC nick there |
| 10:01.45 | kblin | your mentors will be more comfortable with that, most likely ;) |
| 10:01.54 | ojwb | and the IRC network too I'd suggest |
| 10:01.57 | chrono325 | Does anyone know what to put in if you use Google Talk through Google Apps? |
| 10:01.59 | kblin | right |
| 10:02.03 | ojwb | unless you hang out on all of them with the same nick |
| 10:02.03 | glenker_ | oh ok, this is for the primary means of communication with your mentor? |
| 10:02.12 | enginuitor | I would say that "aim" would probably do fine in the case of AIM |
| 10:02.18 | Chainsaw | IRC > *, that's for sure. |
| 10:02.40 | kblin | chrono325: [10:59] <enginuitor> e.g. xmpp:gmail.com/home for Google Talk, etc. |
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| 10:03.03 | glenker_ | Chainsaw: yeah, its just I idle a lot, and its easier to ignore something in irc than it is with aim |
| 10:03.13 | chrono325 | kblin: even if I am using a custom domain? |
| 10:03.25 | Chainsaw | glenker_: It's easy in our case, we do everything on IRC and aren't on any other IM networks. |
| 10:03.33 | j-b | !timeline |
| 10:03.33 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 10:04.23 | chrono325 | kblin: For Pidgin, I am using "talk.google.com" for the "connect server" |
| 10:04.44 | chrono325 | kblin: and my email doesn't end in "@gmail.com" |
| 10:04.49 | ojwb | feels you're overcomplicating this... |
| 10:05.34 | ojwb | what's needed is information so I could IM you if I wanted to |
| 10:05.38 | kblin | chrono325: how about you put "<yourid> on gmail" |
| 10:06.09 | ojwb | so try "add contact" in your client, and give enough info for someone to fill that in... |
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| 10:09.35 | chrono325 | kblin: Not quite sure what you mean by that. Do you mean literally put that into one of the fields? |
| 10:10.29 | chrono325 | kblin: for now I have "IM network" set to "xmpp:talk.google.com" and "IM handle" set to my email address (at my google apps domain) |
| 10:10.53 | chrono325 | kblin: it's probably not worth worrying about, but I wanted to check that I got it right. |
| 10:11.28 | kblin | chrono325: sounds good |
| 10:11.44 | kblin | chrono325: I can't see the student's form, I'm a mentor |
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| 10:14.32 | chrono325 | kblin: fair enough. I guess it's close enough. All else fails, I can just fall back on email. Thanks for your time. |
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| 10:34.13 | ojwb | feels that the IM contact is for when email fails... |
| 10:34.27 | kumar1 | i had always wanted to participate in gsoc since it started |
| 10:35.45 | kumar1 | at that time i was in 1st yr engineering..but now in 3rd yr..have no development experience.. know c++ and c ... have worked with html and PHP ( a little) .....and don't even know if i can do anything good..but the problem is that i still want to do something .. |
| 10:36.57 | kumar1 | is this possible that i can learn while working on projects......? of course, some others.. id dont think it shall be a good idea to propose for projects when i have no expereince and more or less no idea actually...... |
| 10:37.15 | Erant | Go take a look at a few proposals, if you think you can do them, apply for them |
| 10:37.16 | kumar1 | can i just join a project proposed by some other person?? |
| 10:37.36 | Erant | What do you mean? |
| 10:37.37 | p_l | !doitanyway |
| 10:37.37 | socinfo | "doitanyway" is http://www.hawthornlandings.org/2009/03/getting-started-in-open-source-you-dont.html |
| 10:37.51 | Erant | Or that |
| 10:37.54 | p_l | kumar1: Read the contents and act on that advice, i.e. try anyway :) |
| 10:37.59 | kr0y | kumar1: thats what you should do if you dont have any project proposal of your own |
| 10:38.19 | kumar1 | thanks Erant, but you know - i am not sure if i am competent enough :( ..(thaks socinfo) |
| 10:38.29 | kumar1 | yes , right guys |
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| 10:38.34 | Erant | socinfo is a bot ;) |
| 10:38.34 | socinfo | Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
| 10:38.39 | Erant | ... |
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| 10:38.52 | p_l | and unfortunately doesn't have a proper NLP engine ;-) |
| 10:38.59 | kumar1 | after 6-7 days pondering i came to this room (used IRc for the 1st time..registered my nick :) ) |
| 10:39.09 | kumar1 | really :D |
| 10:39.13 | Erant | Yeah, silly FreeNode. |
| 10:39.13 | p_l | just added BlueJ devs to his personal kill list |
| 10:39.31 | Erant | p_l: Isn't that that Java-for-the-braindead? |
| 10:39.44 | p_l | Erant: I have to use it to submit projects |
| 10:39.50 | p_l | for university assignments |
| 10:39.57 | Erant | You must be loving it. |
| 10:40.13 | p_l | Erant: Yes, it just had eaten my precious source, the only one that didn't have backups |
| 10:40.20 | Erant | omnomnomnom |
| 10:40.33 | p_l | TUNITE, I NOM IN HELL! |
| 10:40.39 | Erant | :P |
| 10:41.32 | p_l | 27th March is the deadline for the project submission... |
| 10:41.51 | kblin | p_l: and what do we learn from that? _always_ have backups |
| 10:41.53 | kumar1 | @Erant can you advise me a any open source software ( a small one) whose source code i can check my self..and build it from source..... a simple one |
| 10:41.58 | kumar1 | just to have the idea |
| 10:42.08 | Erant | kumar1: eeeh. |
| 10:42.16 | p_l | kblin: "Don't use BlueJ cause it's too braindamaged"? :P |
| 10:42.42 | kblin | p_l: well, that doesn't seem to be an option |
| 10:42.54 | p_l | kblin: I'm going to find a way :3 |
| 10:42.56 | Erant | kblin: I work for a harddisk recovery company, and I still lost data in my last HDD crash :/ |
| 10:43.09 | Erant | People are lazy. :P |
| 10:43.39 | Erant | kumar1: There's not much 'small' going around. What kind of project are you looking for? |
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| 10:44.02 | Erant | Desktop, embedded, hacking, utils, etc. etc.? |
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| 10:45.17 | kumar1 | Erant: just to have the feel of a working software...for example ..."Audacity" ... how it is complied... how the .exe installs in a windows system.....but i think even "Audacity" is big enough.. I want a smaller one.... NO, not necessarily from GOSC..... any open source |
| 10:45.33 | kumar1 | I tried Sourceforge..but soon I was lost |
| 10:45.46 | kumar1 | simple |
| 10:45.50 | kumar1 | Desktop prog |
| 10:46.21 | Erant | XChat? |
| 10:46.38 | Erant | http://www.xchat.org/ |
| 10:46.41 | kumar1 | Erant: like a small cute chat client , or LAN chat client..or a tool to send files from one system to another or over LAN |
| 10:46.53 | Erant | XChat is an IRC client |
| 10:47.08 | kumar1 | Erant: xChat is small ? :o |
| 10:47.20 | Erant | Smaller than Audacity. |
| 10:47.26 | kblin | Erant: that's why git push always pushes to a remote box for me |
| 10:48.14 | kumar1 | Erant: :D I didnt mean "<SIZE(audacity)" |
| 10:48.38 | Erant | kblin: I lost a couple of tools that I never commited to a repo. :( Sucks, but mjeh. |
| 10:48.46 | Erant | kumar1: Go check out the source tarball, it's not that bad |
| 10:48.51 | Erant | http://www.xchat.org/files/source/2.8/?S=D |
| 10:48.58 | kumar1 | anyway thanks..but a really small prog will do better .. for a nube like me.... |
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| 10:49.21 | Erant | Really small... What, like 'less'? |
| 10:50.26 | kumar1 | yes |
| 10:50.39 | Erant | http://www.greenwoodsoftware.com/less/download.html |
| 10:50.58 | kr0y | Erant : :P |
| 10:51.07 | Erant | I did say 'less'. |
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| 10:51.43 | kumar1 | :) |
| 10:52.03 | Erant | Don't be overwhelmed by the amount of files in there. |
| 10:53.11 | kumar1 | Erant: but then how can i grasp what there inside.. i told you i am not a c++ hot-shot either . :( |
| 10:53.27 | kumar1 | Erant: xChat is 1390 KB |
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| 10:54.37 | Erant | kumar1: Which is small. tbh, I've never really worked on any huge open source projects either. |
| 10:55.04 | kumar1 | okay |
| 10:55.23 | Erant | I'd give you some of my smaller tools, but as mentioned earlier, I lost those. |
| 10:55.29 | Erant | And they wouldn't be very useful for you. |
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| 10:55.45 | kumar1 | Erant: tonight i will rip it apart in my flat ..and try to look inside... |
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| 10:56.09 | kumar1 | Erant: hey, smaller tools..why won't they be useful..? I mean I can understand them better ....isn't it so? |
| 10:56.18 | Erant | kumar1: You could try googling for Erant DVDTool |
| 10:56.19 | p_l | afk |
| 10:56.36 | kumar1 | ok |
| 10:56.57 | Erant | kumar1: Because they usually need some special hardware. DVDTool does too, but you can check out the source. I wrote it a while ago though, so it might be a bit of a mess :P |
| 10:57.13 | Erant | It's for the Wii's DVD drive, and it needs a special parallel cable. |
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| 10:59.55 | kumar1 | i just located it but i think, xchat would be better.. because i haven't even put my hands on a Wii yet |
| 10:59.59 | ojwb | finishes reviewing both our current applications |
| 11:00.06 | ojwb | definitely seems slower so far this year |
| 11:00.15 | kumar1 | Erant: but i will look up gmail..... |
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| 11:01.44 | kumar1 | Erant: look in google |
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| 11:17.26 | kblin | ojwb: you think so? |
| 11:17.58 | kblin | ojwb: it's the first day of a two-week application period, I don't see much of a difference so far |
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| 11:18.19 | ojwb | perhaps my memory is distorted |
| 11:18.40 | ojwb | I was just settling in to a new country last year, which took up a lot of my time |
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| 11:19.34 | kblin | ojwb: I've seen one application so far, but I already talked to a lot of interested students |
| 11:19.42 | kblin | definetely more than last year |
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| 11:21.13 | kblin | s/definetely/definitely/ |
| 11:21.55 | kblin | my spelling skills are somewhat lacking this year |
| 11:22.32 | kblin | blames it on staring at long sequences of only ACGU for too long |
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| 11:23.51 | ojwb | besides the two which have actually applied, we've had a rather generic IRC enquiry, one spammed one and 3 others on the list |
| 11:24.06 | Erant | kblin: Which org were you from again? |
| 11:24.17 | ojwb | so that's not too bad I guess |
| 11:24.53 | ojwb | whatever happens, I suspect we'll be limited by the slots we can get or the mentors we have available, rather than the number of applicants |
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| 11:26.33 | devvrat | kblin: org? |
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| 11:27.55 | ojwb | he's from worldforge, samba, and another |
| 11:28.04 | kblin | Erant: WorldForge, Wine and Samba |
| 11:28.07 | thebolt | hi |
| 11:28.07 | ojwb | wine! |
| 11:28.09 | ojwb | oh |
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| 11:29.20 | thebolt | kblin: still no success in subscribing :/ |
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| 11:29.50 | kblin | thebolt: our infra people are US-based, I doubt they're awake already |
| 11:30.00 | thebolt | ah, okay |
| 11:30.05 | kblin | thebolt: I can bounce the email for you, if you want |
| 11:30.32 | thebolt | kblin: if i don't succeed in getting it through myself today (ie before i go to bed in 5 hours or so) i'll take up that offer |
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| 11:32.14 | thebolt | now i have boring homework in mandarin to do for tomorrow.. |
| 11:33.19 | kblin | ojwb: well, at least you know a lot of the orgs I mentor for, whereas I can only guess for yours :) |
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| 11:33.52 | ojwb | kblin: just swig |
| 11:34.10 | ojwb | well, unless I get asked perhaps |
| 11:34.20 | ojwb | but I don't want to overstretch myself |
| 11:34.38 | kblin | ojwb: yeah, I just saw that xapian wasn't among the orgs accepted.. :) |
| 11:35.03 | ojwb | yeah |
| 11:35.29 | devvrat | Some 2006 GSoC stats |
| 11:35.30 | devvrat | http://code.google.com/soc/GSoC2006Statistics.pdf |
| 11:35.37 | Nikty | hey, where will gsoc be taken? |
| 11:35.50 | AlekSi | where? |
| 11:35.55 | AlekSi | worldwide! |
| 11:35.59 | Nikty | yeah, country/city? |
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| 11:36.12 | devvrat | wherever you are |
| 11:36.21 | kblin | Nikty: whereever your computer is, I guess |
| 11:36.24 | Nikty | online? |
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| 11:36.38 | Nikty | haha |
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| 11:39.06 | ojwb | a small number of unis offer office space for students doing gsoc, but otherwise it's working from home (or library, coffee shop, ...) |
| 11:39.38 | kblin | Nikty: you'll be interning at an open source project, so you'll share the workplace with your co-workers ;) |
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| 11:41.23 | Nikty | clear :) |
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| 11:42.19 | Cloudkicker | =) |
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| 11:56.58 | Cloudkicker | q: how good at programming do you need to be to attend? |
| 11:57.13 | Landon | moderately |
| 11:57.14 | Landon | :) |
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| 11:57.59 | Landon | I participated last year after only one formal CS course and a year or twos worth of hobbyist programming |
| 11:58.00 | kblin | Cloudkicker: depends |
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| 12:00.25 | smtms | Landon, is that an indication of low quality of project proposals at your last-year mentoring organistion? |
| 12:01.07 | Landon | ouch ;) no, just going to say that there's a project for everyone |
| 12:01.42 | Landon | not all of them need fancy high-falutin CS skills past some basic OO and time on your hands |
| 12:01.43 | Landon | :P |
| 12:02.10 | kblin | high-what? |
| 12:02.14 | kitallis | why do I still feel that luck plays a considerable part here? |
| 12:02.33 | spectie | there is no luck to it |
| 12:02.39 | spectie | throw yourself in head first |
| 12:02.48 | Landon | good application and being a community person plays a considerable part |
| 12:02.49 | spectie | and you'll come out swimming |
| 12:02.52 | Landon | some people confuse that for luck |
| 12:03.08 | enginuitor | Hey, at least the selection is a little more objective than, say, college admissions |
| 12:03.20 | jasebo | lol |
| 12:03.26 | kitallis | what if my community consists of 2 members who are japananese? |
| 12:03.42 | spectie | kitallis, why would that be any different ? |
| 12:03.55 | kitallis | i can't be a good community person then |
| 12:04.00 | spectie | why not ? |
| 12:04.08 | spectie | because you don't speak japanese ? |
| 12:04.12 | Landon | mailing lists make up for timezone differences |
| 12:04.13 | Landon | :) |
| 12:04.18 | kitallis | i see |
| 12:04.36 | enginuitor | No fields for high school GPA, ethnic background, list of pretentious community organizations you signed up for, etc. :-) |
| 12:04.54 | ojwb | "other info"! |
| 12:05.05 | enginuitor | bahaha |
| 12:05.06 | spectie | we didn't have that at my university enginuitor |
| 12:05.06 | Landon | I don't got it, so I don't brag it :P |
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| 12:05.29 | spectie | we've got two _really_ good applications so far |
| 12:05.44 | enginuitor | My high school GPA would not help me anywhere, nor would my ethnic background, nor my extracurriculars... so no need to mention them :-D |
| 12:05.59 | spectie | i bet yours was higher than mine enginuitor |
| 12:06.12 | spectie | secondary school leaving marks i mean |
| 12:06.23 | spectie | i got 8/30 points |
| 12:07.52 | enginuitor | Well, I won't go into specifics, but let's just say I'm lucky to have ended up where I did |
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| 12:08.17 | spectie | same here |
| 12:08.18 | spectie | ;) |
| 12:08.25 | spectie | well not luck |
| 12:08.37 | spectie | just tenaciously one-minded |
| 12:08.58 | Landon | I only really applied to this uni :X |
| 12:09.02 | Landon | because I don't like writing essays |
| 12:09.07 | Landon | I'm a horrible role model |
| 12:09.08 | Landon | :P |
| 12:09.17 | spectie | i only applied to one university too |
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| 12:09.28 | Landon | it's got a good engineering department though |
| 12:09.31 | smtms | I did too |
| 12:10.09 | thebolt | i also only applied to one place.. although i think i could have entered any engineering program of any swedish uni on my grades.. but didn't want to go somewhere else than where i currently am :P |
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| 12:10.40 | alpaca | same here. |
| 12:10.55 | alpaca | (applied to one school) |
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| 12:11.30 | kblin | shrugs |
| 12:11.45 | Landon | I |
| 12:11.48 | Landon | think it's breakfast time |
| 12:11.59 | kblin | hmm, lunch, good point |
| 12:12.18 | thebolt | just had dinner ;) |
| 12:12.29 | enginuitor | My entering class supposedly averaged a 3.9 high school GPA |
| 12:12.50 | enginuitor | Having met the lot, I am thoroughly convinced that high school grades are waaay overrated :-D |
| 12:12.58 | Landon | haha :P |
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| 12:13.16 | Landon | they are |
| 12:13.23 | Landon | but then I'd say most are |
| 12:13.31 | Landon | given there's not really that rigorous of a standard between colleges |
| 12:13.39 | Landon | or even between classes |
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| 12:14.03 | enginuitor | Or teachers of the same ******* course |
| 12:14.05 | Landon | is just grumpy because of a few bad semesters and a 3.0something gpa |
| 12:14.11 | alpaca | man - im so tired of getting other peoples' emails. i got an invite to gmail somewhat early on and i was able to secure my name as my address. unfortunately its a common name |
| 12:14.20 | alpaca | i keep getting emails about kids' soccer practice, newsletters |
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| 12:14.36 | alpaca | wedding pictures and stuff. whos giving out my email!??!?! |
| 12:14.37 | Landon | alpaca: donotreply@gmail.com? |
| 12:14.46 | alpaca | haha :P |
| 12:14.52 | ojwb | postmaster@gmail.com |
| 12:14.56 | Landon | poor Dono Treply |
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| 12:15.20 | ojwb | reminds me of http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/16.77.html#subj4 |
| 12:15.26 | spectie | haha Landon |
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| 12:16.42 | ojwb | Don O'Treply |
| 12:17.02 | enginuitor | Once a proposal is submitted, can all mentors at the target org view it? |
| 12:17.15 | ojwb | hopefully |
| 12:17.49 | spectie | yep enginuitor |
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| 12:18.13 | relix | can they already see the proposal as soon as you submit it, or only once the deadline has passed? |
| 12:18.19 | spectie | as soon as |
| 12:18.27 | relix | right, thanks |
| 12:18.28 | alpaca | ojwb: thats kinda funny. but what was someone that intelligent doing on aol? |
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| 12:19.09 | ScottMac | !timeline |
| 12:19.10 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 12:21.16 | kblin | alpaca: having an awesome time with lots of popcorn? |
| 12:21.50 | alpaca | i mean, i wont lie. i used aol. |
| 12:21.54 | alpaca | ...but i was in 2nd-3rd grade |
| 12:22.22 | relix | have you since been cleansed of the daemon? |
| 12:22.36 | relix | else you risk infecting all of us! |
| 12:22.37 | alpaca | you know you're a word when you mispell demon |
| 12:22.39 | alpaca | and yes. |
| 12:22.45 | alpaca | why did i say word? i meant nerd. |
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| 12:22.54 | relix | I misspelled it on purpose ;) |
| 12:22.56 | alpaca | ;) |
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| 12:23.23 | kblin | is a linux user and rejects the notion of daemons |
| 12:23.27 | relix | very well then! |
| 12:23.30 | kblin | I prefer paenguins |
| 12:23.33 | alpaca | kblin: why? |
| 12:23.50 | relix | thinks kblin should henceforth kill all the daemons running on his box |
| 12:23.53 | p_l | kblin: erm, it seems to be some mistake to reject daemons and use linux |
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| 12:24.14 | alpaca | yeah. how are you going to run inetd? |
| 12:24.17 | relix | maybe kblin misspelled "windows" |
| 12:24.18 | alpaca | thats an important one. |
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| 12:24.27 | gloob | !timeline |
| 12:24.28 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 12:24.30 | relix | it's a common error |
| 12:24.32 | kblin | alpaca: I run inetp |
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| 12:24.49 | alpaca | i...didnt even know that was real. |
| 12:24.57 | jasebo | aengels should be used instead of daemons |
| 12:25.14 | thebolt | kblin: got an answer from my postmaster.. the worldforge mail server does not have a reverse lookup (dns) and thus my (and many other) servers refuse mail (spam filtering reasons) |
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| 12:25.31 | kblin | jasebo: I'm telling you, paenguins are the way to go |
| 12:25.37 | kblin | thebolt: huh? |
| 12:25.46 | jasebo | paenguins keep getting eaten by shaerks |
| 12:25.53 | relix | or orcaes |
| 12:26.07 | relix | maybe you should try naerwhals |
| 12:26.21 | jasebo | graenpeace have been trying to save them |
| 12:26.30 | relix | naerwhals? |
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| 12:26.41 | jasebo | paenguins |
| 12:26.43 | relix | oh |
| 12:26.44 | alpaca | what about alpaecas? |
| 12:26.45 | thebolt | kblin: the server that sends out the mails (216.215.6.39) does not have any reverse dns setup.. which is why i didn't get any registration mail.. my mail provider drops all mails from servers with no reverse dns for spam reasons |
| 12:26.49 | kblin | jasebo: dunno, aengles these days seem to have problems with jaet aengines |
| 12:27.01 | kblin | thebolt: yeah, I got that much |
| 12:27.11 | thebolt | kblin: question is, who should i bug? ;) |
| 12:27.14 | kblin | I'm more wondering what happened to the reverse dns entry |
| 12:27.55 | relix | maybe the orcaes ate it |
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| 12:28.18 | kblin | thebolt: jack@wf.o |
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| 12:28.25 | thebolt | kblin: okay, will do |
| 12:28.32 | kblin | thebolt: I've poked him on IRC as well |
| 12:28.38 | thebolt | okay |
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| 12:28.52 | thebolt | kblin: i'm trying to get a whitelist entry for the server for now |
| 12:28.57 | jasebo | I found all of that far too funny. It must be bed time. |
| 12:29.06 | kblin | jasebo: :) |
| 12:30.55 | alpaca | kblin: so, im interested to hear your alternative approach to daemons |
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| 12:32.56 | kblin | alpaca: it mostly involves going over lots of sources with s/daemon/paenguin/g and s/<executablename>d/<executablename>p/ |
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| 12:33.28 | relix | lilz |
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| 12:33.40 | relix | oh, sorry |
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| 12:34.42 | ojwb | starts a project called ocra |
| 12:34.46 | ojwb | with a daemon |
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| 12:36.04 | assimd | !nest |
| 12:36.04 | socinfo | Error: "nest" is not a valid command. |
| 12:36.10 | assimd | !next |
| 12:36.10 | socinfo | "next" is Student application period has now started, Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx ! |
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| 12:54.34 | kumarabhi | hey how do u debug build an application? |
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| 12:55.19 | schumaml | maybe you should ask on the channel of this application? |
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| 13:04.21 | alpaca | !faq |
| 13:04.21 | socinfo | "faq" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs, or (#2) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 13:04.32 | alpaca | omg i dont know which one to go to |
| 13:04.44 | alpaca | if only there was a frequently asked question that would inform me which one was better |
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| 13:04.55 | alpaca | wait its the same link. hm. |
| 13:04.55 | dho_plan9 | Hah |
| 13:05.31 | thebolt | !unlearn faq 2 |
| 13:05.32 | socinfo | Error: "unlearn" is not a valid command. |
| 13:05.37 | alpaca | dho_plan9: i may have found a way to become eligible, checking the FAQ now ;) |
| 13:05.40 | alpaca | i might take some night classes |
| 13:06.25 | kblin | !forget faq2 |
| 13:06.25 | socinfo | Error: There is no such factoid. |
| 13:06.37 | kblin | !forget faq 2 |
| 13:06.37 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 13:06.39 | kblin | there |
| 13:06.51 | homunq | !next |
| 13:06.51 | socinfo | "next" is Student application period has now started, Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx ! |
| 13:06.51 | kblin | goes back to poking his samba code |
| 13:06.56 | thebolt | ah, forget it was :P |
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| 13:09.20 | homunq | learn !next as Student application period has now started, and runs until April 3rd at 17:00 UTC (12:00 PST). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 13:09.31 | homunq | !learn next as Student application period has now started, and runs until April 3rd at 17:00 UTC (12:00 PST). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 13:09.31 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 13:09.41 | homunq | !forget next 1 |
| 13:09.41 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 13:09.53 | homunq | !next |
| 13:09.53 | socinfo | "next" is Student application period has now started, and runs until April 3rd at 17:00 UTC (12:00 PST). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 13:10.22 | dho_plan9 | alpaca: Sweet! |
| 13:10.52 | alpaca | yeah. i really, really want to do this. |
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| 13:12.19 | homunq | !learn next as Student application period has now started, and runs until April 3rd at 17:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 13:12.20 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 13:12.24 | homunq | !forget next 1 |
| 13:12.24 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 13:16.19 | homunq | !learn next as Student application period has now started, and runs until April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 13:16.19 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 13:16.21 | homunq | !forget next 1 |
| 13:16.21 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 13:16.30 | thebolt | homunq: what are you doing? stop spamming.. |
| 13:16.37 | thebolt | you can pm the bot if needed.. |
| 13:17.20 | homunq | thebolt: OK. I just oopsed version 2 - I said 17:00 in the text, it's 7:00=19:00 |
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| 13:18.12 | homunq | I am definitely done now, anyway |
| 13:18.37 | dblack | are any SoC admins here (and awake :-) ? |
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| 13:19.39 | LaurieJ | google admins, or org admins? |
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| 13:26.20 | abhi123 | hello |
| 13:26.24 | alpaca | http://twitpic.com/2db8f - brilliant |
| 13:26.30 | dblack | LaurieJ: google admins |
| 13:26.40 | abhi123 | I want to list of organisation in the sequence of language |
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| 13:27.34 | p_l | !orgbylang |
| 13:27.34 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 13:27.37 | abhi123 | casn any one tell me abt the link to to list of organisation thru languages |
| 13:27.47 | p_l | abhi123: use the link :) |
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| 13:30.10 | aghisla|away | abhi123: and speak english :P (no offence meant :) ) |
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| 13:30.51 | alpaca | i would suck at english if it wasnt my first language |
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| 13:31.47 | relix | alpace not really, you'd most likely have learned it by osmosis through subtitled english shows on your TV |
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| 13:32.01 | relix | when you were 12 |
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| 13:32.28 | aghisla | thinks if it is possible to learn Arabian from AlJazeera subtitles |
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| 13:32.58 | p_l | alpaca: I demand donuts.el, M-x donuts didn't work for me |
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| 13:34.52 | Bloodmaker | is there something special to opening a tarball? usually i just pull the files out of the archive and they drop right in just fine |
| 13:34.57 | Bloodmaker | (geeklog) |
| 13:35.55 | p_l | !timeline |
| 13:35.55 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 13:36.16 | Bloodmaker | @p_l: for who? |
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| 13:37.32 | ojwb | tar xf TARBALL |
| 13:38.02 | p_l | Bloodmaker: for myself |
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| 13:38.19 | p_l | Bloodmaker: My memory isn't perfect :) |
| 13:38.41 | Bloodmaker | @p_l: i thought you were giving to me, i was going all "WTF dood" |
| 13:38.57 | Bloodmaker | @ojwb: using windows |
| 13:39.14 | ojwb | launch cygwin or msys shell |
| 13:39.19 | ojwb | that as above |
| 13:39.20 | schumaml | get tar from e.g. gnuwin32 |
| 13:39.22 | dho_plan9 | or 7zip. |
| 13:39.24 | Bloodmaker | are these 3rd party? |
| 13:39.28 | Bloodmaker | i haz winRAR |
| 13:39.28 | dho_plan9 | Yes. |
| 13:39.35 | dho_plan9 | WinRAR can deal with tarballs as well. |
| 13:39.47 | Bloodmaker | that's what i'm saying |
| 13:40.01 | Bloodmaker | i'm using winRAR, and it's having trouble pulling this tarball out |
| 13:40.04 | ojwb | so you're asking us how to use winrar? |
| 13:40.05 | Bloodmaker | files* |
| 13:40.07 | Bloodmaker | no. |
| 13:40.17 | ojwb | you seem to be |
| 13:40.19 | Bloodmaker | i'm asking if there's anything special about the geeklog tarball |
| 13:40.33 | ojwb | i've no idea what geeklog even is |
| 13:40.36 | ojwb | try #geeklog |
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| 13:40.46 | Bloodmaker | lol, sry, true |
| 13:42.04 | p_l | Bloodmaker: what windows version you are using? |
| 13:42.13 | Bloodmaker | xp black |
| 13:42.19 | Bloodmaker | xp pro |
| 13:42.37 | Bloodmaker | bbl |
| 13:42.41 | Bloodmaker | or bye |
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| 13:42.46 | Bloodmaker | @school xD |
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| 13:42.54 | p_l | heh |
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| 13:43.11 | p_l | Bloodmaker: get yourself a premade VM image with Linux or Unix to test it :) |
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| 13:52.22 | Bloodmaker | @p_l: i have myself a debian computer at home, but i can't do crap with it |
| 13:52.30 | Bloodmaker | it sucks on the permissions side |
| 13:52.54 | kblin | ? |
| 13:53.02 | aghisla | hahahaha http://xkcd.com/559/ |
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| 13:53.52 | Bloodmaker | lol, thx i forgot to check xkcd in a while |
| 13:54.05 | Bloodmaker | @kblin: who were you "?"'ing to? |
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| 13:56.15 | kblin | Bloodmaker: I don't see how debian sucks on the permissions side, as opposed to any other posix system |
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| 13:56.49 | kblin | I do agree that posix permissions suck as soon as you're trying to use multiple machines together, but that shouldn't affect single-machine use |
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| 13:59.24 | Bloodmaker | @kblin: i can't even manage the server directory, much less find apache's configuration anywhere in debian where i have anything like write access |
| 13:59.49 | Bloodmaker | you know that page that shows up when you first install apache? i can't change that in debian |
| 13:59.55 | Bloodmaker | I CAN FIND IT, but i can't change it |
| 14:00.12 | Bloodmaker | away |
| 14:00.18 | alpaca | why? |
| 14:00.21 | alpaca | the document root? |
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| 14:00.38 | relix | Bloodmaker: obviously you need to have the correct permissions to change this |
| 14:00.42 | alpaca | ohhh. didnt see your first message. |
| 14:00.49 | relix | which probably means you need to get root access |
| 14:00.56 | kblin | shrugs |
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| 14:01.09 | kblin | that's the same on any properly configured windows system |
| 14:01.15 | relix | indeeed |
| 14:01.17 | ojwb | personally I prefer a system which sanely split admin and non-admin rights |
| 14:01.24 | relix | you don't want just any user messing about with your webserver |
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| 14:01.38 | arulalan | sivaji: hi sivaji, can you help me, how to propose mentors |
| 14:01.57 | kblin | hail webchick |
| 14:02.00 | thebolt | hi webchick |
| 14:02.12 | kitallis | arulalan: lol |
| 14:02.31 | sivaji | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.32 | kblin | ojwb: windows behaves pretty sane once you join it to a domain |
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| 14:03.01 | kitallis | how many students applied for gsoc last year? |
| 14:03.02 | webchick | haha hey, guys. :) |
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| 14:03.41 | thebolt | webchick: how do you do? what's new in your part of the world? |
| 14:03.46 | arulalan | sivaji:hai siva, i know about you. k lets come to matter, i joined in gsoc as student just noe before |
| 14:04.00 | alpaca | kitallis: i believe around 8-9k |
| 14:04.16 | kblin | alpaca: no |
| 14:04.21 | kblin | alpaca: less than that |
| 14:04.23 | alpaca | thats what someone said yesterday :X |
| 14:04.27 | arulalan | sivaji: i planned to OCR project, what i have to do |
| 14:04.28 | webchick | thebolt, I'm fricking sick, but otherwise not much. You? :) |
| 14:04.30 | sivaji | arulalan you post your idea to organizations forum or mailing list, if your idea is good you will response and they will suggest mentor for you |
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| 14:04.51 | sivaji | webchick hello :D |
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| 14:05.08 | relix | "noe"? |
| 14:05.19 | webchick | sivaji, heya. :) going to make quiz module rock, eh? :D |
| 14:05.24 | thebolt | webchick: oh, that sucks.. i'm doing pretty okay.. a bit bored with my mandarin homework, looking forward to philippines trip end of week and beginning to feel that its good my year here on Taiwan soon is over |
| 14:05.40 | ojwb | no, last year was 7000 or so applications from 3000 or so students |
| 14:05.45 | webchick | thebolt, oh, that's right! |
| 14:06.01 | arulalan | sivaji:oh nice, whaT DO U MEAN BY webchick hello :D ? pl , is it org name ? or |
| 14:06.01 | sivaji | arulalan, i have no idea about OCR project |
| 14:06.14 | kitallis | arulalan: ok :) |
| 14:06.26 | thebolt | webchick: so any involvement in gsoc this year for you? |
| 14:06.42 | sivaji | webchick is a user, drupal God |
| 14:06.58 | webchick | thebolt, Probably not much, no. I got a "promotion" to core committer to get Drupal 7 released, so that's going to keep me mighty busy. :) |
| 14:07.11 | sivaji | i mean drupal developer, developer are tiny God |
| 14:07.21 | webchick | but I still like hanging out with all you awesome people. :) |
| 14:07.24 | kblin | webchick: fun? :) |
| 14:07.27 | webchick | sivaji, haha, I don't know about that. ;) |
| 14:07.37 | webchick | kblin, It's A LOT of fun! Just wish I could somehow fit more hours in the day. |
| 14:07.48 | thebolt | webchick: nice :) |
| 14:07.58 | kblin | webchick: hehe, I know _that_ feeling |
| 14:08.03 | thebolt | webchick: heh, i'm switching side this year.. after 3 years as mentor its time to see it from the other side :) |
| 14:08.21 | webchick | thebolt, oh, nice! |
| 14:08.29 | thebolt | (my last chance so ;) |
| 14:08.33 | sivaji | webchick, are you planning to mentor any project ? |
| 14:08.36 | arulalan | sivaji:Ok , thanks, oh after approached our proposals to org , then they intoduce their mentors to us,,,am i right, siva? |
| 14:08.37 | webchick | thebolt, I dunno man. I don't think they accept slackers. ;) |
| 14:08.56 | webchick | sivaji, Nah... I'm going to be working on Drupal 7. I wouldn't have time to be a good mentor. :( But I'll still be floating around. :) |
| 14:09.00 | thebolt | webchick: haha, thanks :P |
| 14:09.55 | Bloodmaker | @relix, back, and i can't change permissions because it won't let me log in as root |
| 14:09.59 | sivaji | arulalan yes |
| 14:10.10 | relix | bloodmaker than you're shit out of luck, excuse my French |
| 14:10.17 | relix | if it's your machine you should at least be able to get root access on it |
| 14:10.29 | relix | if it's not your machine and you don't have permissions to change the webserver than you're not supposed to |
| 14:10.34 | arulalan | sivaji: thanks siva, |
| 14:10.43 | relix | Bloodmaker did you try sudo |
| 14:10.43 | p_l | Bloodmaker: can't you install some VM on your XP machine? |
| 14:10.53 | Bloodmaker | it comes straight into the GUI login, and then says you cannot log in as root from the interface |
| 14:10.59 | sivaji | webchick i will join with you (d7 developers) in one or two months to play around drupal core. |
| 14:11.02 | relix | you need to use a terminal |
| 14:11.04 | Bloodmaker | it is mine, physically mine |
| 14:11.09 | relix | login using your username/password |
| 14:11.12 | relix | then start a terminal |
| 14:11.16 | relix | and do "sudo su" |
| 14:11.17 | Bloodmaker | and sudo says i don't have permission to use that |
| 14:11.18 | Ori_B | Bloodmaker: then you can edit /etc/passwd from a live cd. |
| 14:11.25 | kblin | Bloodmaker: you could try a more fluffy distro |
| 14:11.34 | Bloodmaker | lol@kblin |
| 14:11.50 | kblin | seriously. something like ubuntu or the like |
| 14:11.55 | relix | didn't you have to enter a root password when you installed debian |
| 14:11.58 | relix | I agree with kblin |
| 14:11.59 | Chewbacca | try sudo xterm |
| 14:12.02 | Ori_B | or sudo from a live cd, su yourself, chroot, and use the mounted tools. |
| 14:12.03 | Bloodmaker | ubuntu server isn't exactly my friend either |
| 14:12.04 | arulalan | sivaji: siva, i planned to do one application project in rails, but it is helpped to our govt.vetnary hospital,,. pl suggest me siva,,, |
| 14:12.28 | kblin | Chewbacca: sudo isn't set up to do much on vanilla debian installs |
| 14:12.34 | relix | what about su |
| 14:12.45 | relix | maybe the root password is "" |
| 14:12.46 | kblin | Chewbacca: as you can always su -c "whatever" if you need to |
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| 14:13.29 | sivaji | arulalan, i am not a rails expert, may be chennai LUG can help you. |
| 14:13.36 | Chewbacca | My bad then. |
| 14:14.31 | Bloodmaker | gah, skool, l8tr |
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| 14:14.46 | webchick | sivaji, awesome. :D |
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| 14:15.46 | arulalan | sivaji: siva, i meaned whether they will accept or not? i asked sudharshan. but he says like we have to develop rails library, then only org ll accept... so only i asked u. do u know any idea abou this? |
| 14:16.19 | alpaca | ugh. i hate using two audio programs :(. songbird + itunes. songbird for when im at home and i can access my server, itunes when im not around. |
| 14:16.35 | alpaca | itunes stores my songs on the hard drive so i can access some of my stuff away from home |
| 14:16.39 | alpaca | but wtf. i hate life :( |
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| 14:17.08 | easwar | can anyone confirm whether Ubuntu is in,or out of GSoC 09? |
| 14:17.16 | maruel | !faq |
| 14:17.17 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 14:17.20 | lut4rp | !ubuntu |
| 14:17.20 | socinfo | "ubuntu" is Ubuntu had applied and was accepted, but they have subsequently chosen not to participate in GSoC 2009 |
| 14:17.24 | lut4rp | easwar, ^ |
| 14:17.35 | easwar | hmm |
| 14:17.38 | easwar | ty lut4rp |
| 14:17.42 | maruel | ok that's a better answer |
| 14:17.52 | spectie | interesting |
| 14:18.03 | relix | a shortage of mentors, perhaps? |
| 14:18.27 | thachtran | !tug |
| 14:18.27 | socinfo | Error: "tug" is not a valid command. |
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| 14:18.37 | kblin | easwar: I haven |
| 14:18.41 | relix | maybe they wanted to more unknown orgs to participate, maybe they already have enough volunteers |
| 14:18.47 | easwar | kblin, ? |
| 14:19.00 | kblin | 't seen any official statment from ubuntu about this yet |
| 14:19.03 | ojwb | relix: I'm not sure random speculation is productive |
| 14:19.08 | easwar | kblin, oh |
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| 14:19.31 | thebolt | kblin: whitelisting worked, now i could subscribe and my mail went through :) |
| 14:19.42 | relix | ojwb: that doesn't mean I'm forbidden to speculate |
| 14:19.59 | kblin | easwar: so you're probably best off asking the person in charge of ubuntu's application\ |
| 14:20.09 | easwar | kblin, hmm |
| 14:20.19 | ojwb | it doesn't, but ... what he said |
| 14:20.28 | relix | of course |
| 14:20.54 | relix | but I hope the "maybe" made it apparent I was merely speculating |
| 14:21.16 | kblin | relix: random speculation has the tendency to turn into name-calling or worse |
| 14:21.32 | relix | relax guys, I didn't know this was such a sensitive topic |
| 14:23.03 | kblin | anyway, I guess with ubuntu not around this year, people interested in helping out with ubuntu should help out with debian |
| 14:23.20 | kblin | most of the goodies will reach ubuntu anyway |
| 14:23.28 | easwar | kblin, hmm,point you have there |
| 14:24.07 | relix | maybe do something about those permissions |
| 14:24.15 | relix | I heard some people are having trouble |
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| 14:26.06 | ldkhang | ?help |
| 14:26.38 | kblin | did you mean.. |
| 14:26.39 | kblin | !help |
| 14:26.39 | socinfo | "help" is see !faq, !advice and !wiki |
| 14:27.11 | kblin | thebolt: I like the proposal. |
| 14:27.48 | ldkhang | thks |
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| 14:28.04 | kblin | thebolt: I'll have to give some thought about some parts, but you'll have a reply by your tomorrow |
| 14:28.19 | kblin | goes to dig up the plunger source code |
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| 14:28.35 | thebolt | kblin: sure thing |
| 14:28.36 | kblin | I hope the code is well documented.. |
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| 14:28.58 | thebolt | well, its not very extensive really so not too bad to understand anyhow ;) |
| 14:28.59 | kblin | your old code will always come back to haunt you |
| 14:29.06 | thebolt | hehe |
| 14:29.19 | kblin | thebolt: I didn't look at it for about a year or more |
| 14:29.35 | kblin | thebolt: so it could basically have been written by somebody else |
| 14:29.38 | thebolt | there is code i've written that isn't that clean or well-documented either ;) |
| 14:29.57 | kblin | thebolt: just that I don't get to whine at anybody for code I wrote myself |
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| 14:31.29 | kblin | ah, not too bad |
| 14:31.31 | easwar | !orgsbylang |
| 14:31.31 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 14:31.35 | kblin | goes to add more comments |
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| 14:41.29 | spectie | does one have to be a member of delicious to add one's project to the orgsbylang list |
| 14:41.29 | spectie | ? |
| 14:43.24 | irahul | what is the format to enter the birth date in student application ? |
| 14:43.34 | jhil | yyyy-mm-dd |
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| 14:45.18 | aghisla | irahul: choose a day in the popup calendar and see :) |
| 14:45.38 | aghisla | if I remember well, mm/dd/yyyy |
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| 14:46.24 | Its_me1 | I have never programmed for Free Software or Open Source software's, but I am NOT new for Computer Programming, I am feeling difficult in understanding many slang's in the Idea Page, Is their any solution for this? |
| 14:47.14 | aghisla | Its_me1: which project's Idea Page? |
| 14:48.21 | Its_me1 | I started with AbiWord |
| 14:48.48 | spectie | itamarjp, slang ? |
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| 14:49.35 | Its_me1 | aghisla: Someone in their IRC decided that poeple like me are not fit for Goggle Summer Of Codes |
| 14:49.46 | spectie | why not Its_me1 ? |
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| 14:50.01 | aghisla | yes, why not? |
| 14:50.04 | literal | Its_me1: what slang are you talking about, specifically? |
| 14:50.47 | Its_me1 | I was going through their Application Template. |
| 14:50.48 | easwar | !timeline |
| 14:50.48 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 14:51.17 | easwar | !orgs |
| 14:51.17 | socinfo | "orgs" is http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 14:51.36 | Its_me1 | They mentioned that understanding their Application Template is an Hurdle. |
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| 14:52.33 | aghisla | Its_me1: think about a project, and completing it in 2 ½ months. If you are a complete newbie of the project, it will be very hard for you |
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| 14:53.00 | aghisla | putting a hurdle at the beginning prevents you from failing later |
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| 14:53.51 | aghisla | you can pick up a project that you are already familiar with |
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| 14:54.53 | Its_me1 | aghisla: I totally agree with you guys, is their any documentation or any source, so that I can start learning how Programming differs in Open source or Free software's |
| 14:55.40 | aghisla | Its_me1: i suggest the cathedral and the bazaar |
| 14:55.47 | aghisla | picks up the link |
| 14:56.11 | aghisla | http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/ |
| 14:56.24 | summatusmentis | I don't think I've ever actually read it |
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| 14:57.23 | aghisla | also The art of Unix Programming (by Raymond too) |
| 14:57.36 | aghisla | but this is a book, worthy but not short |
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| 14:58.23 | Its_me1 | aghisla: Thanks for info. |
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| 14:58.24 | aghisla | Its_me1: for curiosity, what does programming mean for you? |
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| 14:59.22 | Chris_3791 | Is it common for abstracts to be taken directly from idea pages early on in the process? |
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| 14:59.46 | Its_me1 | aghisla: I have chosen programming as my career, that means programming is my career |
| 15:00.02 | brlcad | Chris_3791: you mean to be part of the student's application? |
| 15:00.18 | Chris_3791 | yes, in the application |
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| 15:00.31 | brlcad | Chris_3791: I generally frown if I see what I wrote as an idea in a student's application |
| 15:00.38 | brlcad | shows they know how to copy/paste |
| 15:00.43 | homunq | Its_me1: one way to overcome the hurdle is to research it. I doubt that there are any mysteries in their application that google could not help you solve. |
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| 15:01.04 | Chris_3791 | Ok thank you |
| 15:01.09 | dblack | paging any SoC admins who might be here.... |
| 15:01.12 | Chris_3791 | I will do that |
| 15:01.13 | aghisla | Its_me1: programming as career does not exclude open source, imho |
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| 15:02.07 | homunq | Its_me1: there are also 150 organizations with 150 philosophies. And if you were a little more specific with your questions, you might even find some help right here. |
| 15:02.09 | Chainsaw | dblack: SoC project admins? If so for which project? |
| 15:02.19 | homunq | s/150/149 |
| 15:02.21 | dblack | Chainsaw: for SoC itself |
| 15:02.30 | dblack | Chainsaw: lh or anyone else who is an organizer of SoC |
| 15:02.33 | homunq | aak I always forget the final slash... |
| 15:02.33 | Chainsaw | dblack: So you're looking for google staff. |
| 15:02.38 | Sylvestre | homunq, I would say 170 philosophies ;) |
| 15:02.39 | dblack | Chainsaw: yes |
| 15:02.48 | aghisla | Its_me1: hope you are not in the situation of J Random Newbie http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/ch16s01.html |
| 15:03.00 | homunq | Sylvestre: good point - 1500? |
| 15:03.31 | Its_me1 | aghisla: Yes, but I really like to know how does it differs from one that I have been thought in my college, since some guy in AbiWord regarded me as total illiterate in programming. |
| 15:03.58 | aghisla | Its_me1: don't bother too much for one person's opinion on you |
| 15:04.04 | aghisla | the code will tell |
| 15:04.06 | relix | Its_me1: we don't know what you learned in college |
| 15:04.12 | aghisla | too |
| 15:04.27 | relix | what language were you thaught? |
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| 15:05.10 | hypa7ia | Its_me1: if you're having trouble with the slang in the application template, you should ask the organization whose template it is for help |
| 15:05.31 | Its_me1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.46 | relix | Its_me1: maybe it showed |
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| 15:06.23 | relix | I don't need to know what my sister learned in college to figure out she knows zip of programming |
| 15:06.29 | aghisla | ... |
| 15:06.32 | relix | of course i'm not saying this is the case here |
| 15:06.37 | dho_plan9 | I think that discussing rhetorical reasonings for drawn outcomes is counterproductive |
| 15:06.52 | relix | oh man |
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| 15:07.06 | relix | I'm literally laughing out loud right now |
| 15:07.11 | relix | inside joke |
| 15:07.22 | relix | it's the second time someone called my speculation counterproductive |
| 15:07.27 | relix | maybe I should take a hint |
| 15:07.55 | relix | anyway Its_me1 don't worry, just do what you want to do |
| 15:07.56 | relix | apply |
| 15:08.00 | dhoclone_plan9 | ^ |
| 15:08.01 | relix | and follow the advice given above |
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| 15:08.11 | dhoclone_plan9 | If you want to apply for a project, apply for a project. |
| 15:08.15 | relix | that is, ask the org what the slang in the application template means |
| 15:08.25 | homunq | or google it |
| 15:08.42 | relix | I'm off |
| 15:08.44 | relix | laters guys |
| 15:08.50 | homunq | IOW, don't whine, fix the problem |
| 15:09.05 | homunq | ^^^ more slang for google :) |
| 15:09.30 | Its_me1 | relix: Yes, it took 5 days for Google to decide about Mentoring Organization's and this guy decided about me in a chat that did't lasted long for 3 to 4 minutes, and Thanks for the advice. |
| 15:10.04 | homunq | Look, you may well have talked to an a**hole |
| 15:10.11 | homunq | but telling us about it does nothing. |
| 15:10.15 | dho_plan9 | That too. |
| 15:10.20 | homunq | If you have a specific question, ask it. |
| 15:10.34 | dannyb | what is up |
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| 15:17.29 | lh | !advice |
| 15:17.30 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 15:17.52 | kblin | hi lh |
| 15:18.01 | lh | hi |
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| 15:19.36 | thebolt | good day lh |
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| 15:29.49 | alpaca | dho_plan9: I think that discussing rhetorical reasonings for drawn outcomes is counterproductive - damn. that was maybe the coolest sentence ever. |
| 15:30.20 | dho_plan9 | Heh. |
| 15:31.49 | relix | apparently most things are countrprodctive :p |
| 15:32.17 | aghisla | this sentence is counterproductive HAHA (joking) |
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| 15:32.53 | aghisla | let's fight for futile reasons like non-opensource programmers think we do all day long |
| 15:33.08 | Landon | aghisla: I think the bikeshed should be BLUE! |
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| 15:33.21 | relix | personally I think it should be red |
| 15:33.28 | spectie | it should be adjustable |
| 15:33.30 | spectie | depending on the user |
| 15:33.37 | Landon | spectie: that's just silly |
| 15:33.41 | spectie | :( |
| 15:33.44 | Landon | :P |
| 15:33.45 | relix | we can't expose the user to too many settings |
| 15:33.47 | dwins | it should automatically color coordinate with the bikes inside! |
| 15:33.50 | aghisla | Landon: no! we must follow rule of least surprise |
| 15:34.14 | borja | Wait, let's call ISO and see if we can form a committee for this |
| 15:34.17 | Landon | dwins: what happens when you have a bikeshed built for 2! |
| 15:34.23 | aghisla | argh |
| 15:34.24 | Landon | now _this_ is open source |
| 15:34.24 | Landon | :D |
| 15:34.32 | hypa7ia | hehe |
| 15:34.33 | spectie | haha |
| 15:34.41 | hypa7ia | it raises a serious issue though |
| 15:34.48 | aghisla | iso can do little on this |
| 15:34.51 | spectie | who will port it to windows ? |
| 15:34.58 | hypa7ia | i tried really hard when writing my app template to make the language neutral and simple |
| 15:35.08 | aghisla | there are de facto standards: bikesheds are usually yellow |
| 15:35.11 | hypa7ia | to not use regional idioms in particular |
| 15:35.31 | Wolf_OSGeo | yea but we need to make something that is above and beyond defacto |
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| 15:35.41 | spectie | i suppose it depends who is reading your application hypa7ia |
| 15:35.43 | Wolf_OSGeo | is there an RFC on this bikeshed color? |
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| 15:35.54 | relix | hypa7ia which org is that? |
| 15:35.56 | relix | if you don't mind |
| 15:35.57 | spectie | i like to read distinguishable english |
| 15:36.09 | dblack | lh: ping |
| 15:36.13 | hypa7ia | relix: xelerance |
| 15:36.18 | aghisla | I love french-flavoured english |
| 15:36.30 | aghisla | it's so... french |
| 15:36.30 | lh | dblack: pong, in a meeting in another channel will answer as quickly as possible but will be lagged |
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| 15:36.47 | thebolt | hey Wolf_OSGeo .. been a while, how do you do? |
| 15:36.47 | dblack | lh: please look at your email from me too |
| 15:36.56 | hypa7ia | spectie: i'd rather have people apply and judge them on ability, not command of idiomatic english |
| 15:37.09 | spectie | hypa7ia, of course |
| 15:37.18 | spectie | hypa7ia, i'm saying i like it |
| 15:37.23 | hypa7ia | oh ok :) |
| 15:37.27 | spectie | not that it effects any judging process |
| 15:37.40 | spectie | and i mean distinguishable |
| 15:37.41 | relix | that's a nice template hypa7ia |
| 15:37.43 | Wolf_OSGeo | thebolt: hey, yeah. *'m fine thanks, except that I've been sick for a week :( |
| 15:37.43 | spectie | not idiomatic ;) |
| 15:37.44 | hypa7ia | well, it does, because someone who finds the template hard enough will just not apply |
| 15:37.49 | NeerajG | i think language is absurd |
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| 15:37.53 | hypa7ia | thanks relix :) |
| 15:37.57 | Wolf_OSGeo | but it helps to organize GSoC :P |
| 15:37.58 | NeerajG | every body must learn assembly |
| 15:37.59 | NeerajG | haha |
| 15:38.06 | hypa7ia | i spent like 4 days reading old templates and the mentors mailing list |
| 15:38.08 | lh | dblack: looking |
| 15:38.12 | aghisla | LOAD NeerajG |
| 15:38.14 | relix | heh |
| 15:38.15 | hypa7ia | trying to get a sense of what to look for |
| 15:38.16 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: sounds a bit like an oxymoron.. "fine except sick" ;) |
| 15:38.25 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: ah, nice.. mentoring this year again? |
| 15:38.48 | Wolf_OSGeo | probably. We have some interesting proposals in the pipeline. I'm admining again this year |
| 15:38.58 | Wolf_OSGeo | thebolt: how 'bout you? |
| 15:39.07 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: applying as a student.. my last chance to do that |
| 15:39.16 | mdc_mobile | is seeing some really excellent prospective students as well :) |
| 15:39.20 | Wolf_OSGeo | :D cool! for what orgs? |
| 15:39.22 | mdc_mobile | Hi Wolf_OSGeo :) |
| 15:39.26 | thebolt | hi mdc_mobile |
| 15:39.29 | Wolf_OSGeo | mdc! :D |
| 15:39.32 | mdc_mobile | Hi thebolt :) |
| 15:39.36 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: not 100% certain yet.. still discussing on MLs |
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| 15:40.10 | Wolf_OSGeo | thebolt: maybe osgeo has something you would be interested in? ;) hint-hint-nudge-nudge |
| 15:40.19 | Wolf_OSGeo | mdc how have you been? |
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| 15:40.38 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: haha.. i actually thought about a geo:ish thingy.. not sure it fits there though (but it would fit in my education ;-) |
| 15:41.09 | Wolf_OSGeo | oh you into geo? Cool. We have pretty wide things going on |
| 15:41.32 | Wolf_OSGeo | and the theme of this year is inter-project proposals |
| 15:41.45 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: not really.. more like some stuff i've studied recently could take advantage of geo-information |
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| 15:42.08 | thebolt | (think along the lines of radio coverage simulation and optimization) |
| 15:42.23 | Wolf_OSGeo | cool! :) geo-infomation is going to be hot very soon now as more and more devices are geo-locally aware |
| 15:42.37 | thebolt | you have anywhere that would fit? ;) |
| 15:42.45 | Wolf_OSGeo | ahh coverage calculations. Those are very important |
| 15:43.13 | Wolf_OSGeo | GRASS could use a better coverage module I think, maybe qgis, mapserver etc etc |
| 15:43.34 | Wolf_OSGeo | ask on the soc@lists.osgeo.org ML, and you'll get an answer |
| 15:44.22 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: well, the field is pretty new to me.. so i am not sure i can actually contribute anything really.. just felt like a cool idea in class one day ;) |
| 15:44.37 | Wolf_OSGeo | :) those are the best |
| 15:45.16 | Wolf_OSGeo | you should ask, it doesn't hurt except if you have a cut on your finger :P |
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| 15:50.32 | Wolf_OSGeo | thebolt: so what are you graduating in? |
| 15:54.18 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: i'm doing an msc in applied physics and electrical engineering.. hopefully finishing by next summer ;) |
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| 15:55.23 | Wolf_OSGeo | :) cool. I'm finally working on my bachelor thesis |
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| 16:01.51 | relix | thebolt what's an msc? |
| 16:01.58 | relix | master of science? |
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| 16:03.42 | kblin | thebolt-man and the masters of the science... |
| 16:04.52 | thebolt | relix: yes |
| 16:04.58 | kblin | need to go borrow a laptop for tomorrow, bbl |
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| 16:14.30 | homunq | !slots |
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| 16:20.46 | Chris_3791 | What should I do if no mentor responds or comments on my proposal? |
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| 16:21.03 | thiago | when did you send it? |
| 16:21.32 | Chris_3791 | Recently, I just wish to be prepared in time to act |
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| 16:22.01 | thiago | you don't do anything |
| 16:22.16 | thiago | if your application isn't reviewed, you're unlucky |
| 16:22.23 | Chris_3791 | ha ok thank you |
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| 16:22.28 | Chris_3791 | that would be too bad |
| 16:22.28 | thiago | being annoying won't help |
| 16:22.42 | thiago | however, you can raise your profile by being useful in the project's community |
| 16:22.45 | homunq | Chris_3791: I don't know about other orgs, but in sugarlabs we're happy to have applications posted publicly, and links sent to our mailing list and/or IRC |
| 16:23.03 | thiago | yeah, that would be a good idea too |
| 16:23.17 | homunq | if your org feels the same, the sooner the better, to give time for refinement. |
| 16:23.21 | Chris_3791 | Thank you, I certainly would not be annoying. |
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| 16:25.12 | homunq | thiago: there is certainly room for posting links without being annoying. Do *not* ever just repeat yourself in the same forum, though; that is clearly spam. |
| 16:25.32 | homunq | I mean, Chris_3791, for the second sentence above. |
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| 16:29.30 | aien | Hi all. Any idea what does 'ghop' in socghop stand for ? |
| 16:29.48 | PearlJam | google highly open participation |
| 16:30.07 | aien | thanks PearlJam |
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| 16:32.01 | gwri-simpson | "You should be prepared, upon request, to provide Google with transcripts or other documentation from your accredited institution as proof of enrollment or admission status." |
| 16:32.10 | gwri-simpson | I suppose the information should be in english ? |
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| 16:32.23 | oguz | !ghop |
| 16:32.23 | socinfo | "ghop" is The Google Highly Open Participation Contest: http://code.google.com/opensource/ghop/2007-8/ |
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| 16:43.43 | khushboo | hi everyone |
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| 16:51.01 | Upth | I have a question |
| 16:51.08 | orudge | sure |
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| 16:51.43 | Upth | When someone writes a proposal review requesting more information, is it best to include it as a comment in reply, an edit to the proposal, or both? |
| 16:52.07 | aghisla|away | bye all |
| 16:52.27 | Upth | I'm guessing "both" |
| 16:52.36 | lh | Upth: i would update the proposal with a detailed comment almost like changelog saying what changed |
| 16:52.37 | orudge | Upth: at least last year, I included more detail in the reply, and then before submitting the final proposal I updated it |
| 16:52.47 | orudge | so basically both, yes |
| 16:53.56 | lh | Upth: maybe best to ask mentor how they want it? |
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| 16:53.56 | hypa7ia | yay proposals are starting to come in, and they look great :D :D |
| 16:54.10 | lh | ^5s hypa7ia |
| 16:54.24 | hypa7ia | bounces off for lunch |
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| 16:56.07 | Kraln | I had a bunch of people join our irc channel and say "hey, I wanted to do this for your project but /now I won't/" |
| 16:56.10 | Kraln | :| |
| 16:56.26 | aien | why ? |
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| 16:56.31 | lh | Kraln: offer them t-shirts |
| 16:56.34 | khushboo | wats ur project? |
| 16:56.37 | Kraln | s/won't/can't |
| 16:56.38 | PearlJam | hypa7ia: which org? |
| 16:57.12 | Kraln | lh: seems almost like bribery =) |
| 16:57.19 | lh | Kraln: it |
| 16:57.33 | lh | Kraln: motivation. not bribery. colors of your tribe and all. |
| 16:57.54 | aien | Kraln, do they justify their sayings ? |
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| 16:59.14 | Kraln | aien: two different ways: 1) I need the money/prestige/participation 2) I am now applying for other orgs |
| 16:59.24 | Kraln | lh: shirts so-offered |
| 16:59.29 | Kraln | we'll see =) |
| 16:59.45 | lh | Kraln: groovy! |
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| 17:00.35 | aien | doh! as if there are millions of dollars in steak ... I could get the same money working in a gas station. |
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| 17:15.18 | ArthurLiu | . |
| 17:15.19 | Mgccl | getting admitted into a college doesn't mean enrolling right? |
| 17:15.27 | Mkop2 | no |
| 17:15.28 | dho_plan9 | Correct. |
| 17:15.31 | ArthurLiu | no |
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| 17:16.09 | Mgccl | :(, can't do gsoc then... |
| 17:16.21 | z4chh | Mgccl, i was told that proof of admission works |
| 17:16.29 | relix | you can apply next year |
| 17:16.48 | dho_plan9 | !faq |
| 17:16.49 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 17:17.54 | Mgccl | z4chh: ahh, thx for the info, that I have :) |
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| 17:18.49 | z4chh | Mgccl, im in the same situation, im still in high schoo...accepted admission and attending college next year |
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| 17:19.58 | Mgccl | z4chh: hehe, I'm glad I'm not the only one... |
| 17:20.26 | z4chh | "In this case, we would ask you to send us a copy of the letter of acceptance you received from the university you will attend." |
| 17:20.36 | z4chh | directly from leslie hawthorne |
| 17:20.58 | z4chh | hawthorn* |
| 17:21.02 | danderson | students still in high school over 18 can participate |
| 17:21.12 | danderson | as long as all eligibility requirements are fulfilled |
| 17:21.27 | Mkop2 | I thought one of the eligibility requirements is that you're in college |
| 17:21.27 | Mgccl | cool |
| 17:21.30 | danderson | being in high school counts as being a student, being in high school with a letter of acceptance from a university as well |
| 17:21.50 | danderson | that's the latest authoritative answer I saw from lh on irc. |
| 17:22.05 | z4chh | really? |
| 17:22.08 | z4chh | high school student? |
| 17:22.13 | Mkop2 | if it comes from LH, then I have no wont to disagree |
| 17:22.18 | monsieurp | danderson: how does Google check that the student *is really* in the univ. he pretends to be ? |
| 17:22.20 | danderson | lh: confirm? Being in high school even without acceptance by university is fine, as long as you're otherwise eligible (in particular over 18) ? |
| 17:22.23 | aien | didn't lh say that high school mean a lot of different things in different countries ? |
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| 17:22.52 | danderson | z4chh: again, assuming you're otherwise eligible, notably over 18 |
| 17:23.43 | danderson | monsieurp: you have to send proof that you are enrolled at your university. If it turns out you lied and falsified official documents, you're going to regret it |
| 17:23.49 | danderson | that's basically the idea ) |
| 17:23.49 | danderson | :) |
| 17:23.55 | z4chh | jail time :D |
| 17:24.16 | davidc_ | hehe :) |
| 17:24.20 | danderson | as far as I know, nobody has yet tried to pull the stunt of forging official documents |
| 17:24.25 | monsieurp | okay |
| 17:24.26 | davidc_ | I'd love to see this :) A case of international lawsuits :O |
| 17:24.34 | davidc_ | almost tempting :P |
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| 17:24.40 | davidc_ | but i'm a mentor so no go :( |
| 17:24.47 | danderson | presumably the people that end up being selected are minimally honest, and the dishonest ones get filtered out by the orgs as being incompetent ;) |
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| 17:25.04 | davidc_ | good point danderson |
| 17:25.24 | danderson | that's my explanation. |
| 17:25.53 | aien | or they were very competent in forging & got away with it ;) |
| 17:26.08 | amitav | is revising an application allowed (as long as it is within the deadline)? |
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| 17:26.13 | monsieurp | na don't worry, I've everything to prove my student identity :D |
| 17:26.28 | Landon | monsieurp: I've got the low bank balance to prove I'm a student |
| 17:26.39 | aien | amitav, I keep refining mine, no problem encountered so far. |
| 17:27.04 | aien | btw, the web interface where you write the proposal, needs some love. |
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| 17:27.20 | danderson | aien: maybe. But I doubt that forgeries would pass scrutiny :) |
| 17:27.32 | danderson | aien: in what way? Join #melange and provide feedback, bug reports, or even patches! |
| 17:27.39 | monsieurp | Landon: scholarship certificate for me :) |
| 17:27.41 | danderson | It's an open source project! Contribute! :) |
| 17:27.49 | aien | oh really ? |
| 17:27.54 | danderson | http://soc.google.com |
| 17:28.11 | danderson | the project lead and the core devs are not Google employees |
| 17:28.30 | MatthewWilkes | many are even dutch |
| 17:28.32 | danderson | we just provide some 20% time, and lh in particular files bugs and adds stuff to the official instance of the app |
| 17:28.37 | danderson | MatthewWilkes: the horror! |
| 17:28.44 | MatthewWilkes | danderson: It's good, apparently |
| 17:28.52 | MatthewWilkes | (>>> import this) |
| 17:28.56 | danderson | yes, I was just taking the piss :P |
| 17:28.58 | Mkop2 | I don't have time to contribute, but the UI of melange needs a LOT of work |
| 17:29.01 | aien | That's very interesting. I don't know web dev, but I'll come up with some suggestions. |
| 17:29.02 | Mkop2 | the thing is confusing as heck |
| 17:29.52 | aien | It's not that bad really, but not killer app either. |
| 17:29.53 | tntcoda | is there anything wrong with including a paragraph covering your education if the organisation doesnt ask for it? |
| 17:29.55 | monsieurp | aien: Web dev' is like... X_X or !_! (<= scary faces) :P |
| 17:30.03 | aien | monsieurp, LOL |
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| 17:31.00 | amitav | thank you |
| 17:31.01 | danderson | tntcoda: if it's relevant to your application, of course not |
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| 17:31.06 | danderson | any relevant information will help you |
| 17:31.13 | danderson | talking about how much you love kittens, probably not |
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| 17:31.25 | danderson | unless the project is to build icanhazcheezburger 2.0 or something |
| 17:31.26 | tntcoda | ok thanks, sorry for the stupid question :p |
| 17:32.12 | Mkop2 | if I were a project admin, building icanhazcheezburger would be minus points for an applicant :-) |
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| 17:32.51 | koss_Dr_Wilson | what is "im handle"? from application for students |
| 17:33.02 | monsieurp | danderson: ihasahotdog <3 |
| 17:33.22 | danderson | heh |
| 17:33.29 | danderson | monsieurp: so, any ideas what you want to do |
| 17:33.30 | Mkop2 | koss_Dr_Wilson: instant messenger |
| 17:33.43 | monsieurp | danderson: my GSoC project? |
| 17:33.44 | MatthewWilkes | koss_Dr_Wilson: If you list IRC yours would be koss_Dr_Wilson |
| 17:33.55 | danderson | monsieurp: yeah. Just randomly curious. |
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| 17:35.25 | monsieurp | danderson: I'll try to propose somethin' concerning Gentoo; want to make the whole thing working on NetBSD (Portage + tools) |
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| 17:35.58 | danderson | fun. |
| 17:36.14 | danderson | I don't use gentoo personally (my allegiance is to Debian), but sounds like fun. |
| 17:36.46 | monsieurp | *BSDs > Gentoo > * |
| 17:36.53 | monsieurp | :P |
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| 17:37.30 | Nikerabbit | * > .. > *, so they are all identical |
| 17:37.40 | danderson | monsieurp: in your *incorrect* opinion ;P |
| 17:37.54 | monsieurp | Nikerabbit: *BSDs means all the BSD (Free, Net, Open) |
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| 17:38.27 | Nikerabbit | monsieurp: or just pointer to them :o |
| 17:38.35 | MatthewWilkes | danderson: http://funroll-loops.info |
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| 17:38.50 | MatthewWilkes | wants --omg-optimised |
| 17:39.10 | thiago_home | monsieurp: how about DragonflyBSD? |
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| 17:39.23 | monsieurp | Nikerabbit: that's an idea :)) |
| 17:39.49 | monsieurp | thiago_home: never used it, or even tried it =/ |
| 17:40.09 | thiago_home | it matches your glob :-) |
| 17:40.21 | c_plus_plus | If blue sky ideas are encouraged, are ideas off ideas lists discouraged? |
| 17:40.36 | alpaca | "I don't think that Debian can really compete with Gentoo. Sure it might be okay, but when it comes to dependencies, you probably are still going to have to get them all on your own. Or is there something like portage in the Debian world as well?" |
| 17:40.41 | alpaca | lmfao |
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| 17:41.08 | thiago_home | c_plus_plus: how do you get an on-list idea that comes from the blue? |
| 17:41.18 | monsieurp | alpaca: roflmao !! |
| 17:41.43 | alpaca | monsieurp: its a quote from that link MatthewWilkes just posted :) |
| 17:42.05 | dberkholz | sounds like the good old pre-yum days of fedora |
| 17:42.12 | dberkholz | or pre-apt for debian, i guess |
| 17:42.20 | c_plus_plus | thiago_home: I mean should I avoid using the ideas list and try to only do blue sky ideas? |
| 17:42.22 | monsieurp | of course, Portage doesn't manage depedencies .. -,- who write these stuff? |
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| 17:42.38 | thiago_home | c_plus_plus: you choose |
| 17:42.49 | c_plus_plus | ok. thanks. |
| 17:42.53 | thiago_home | but mind you that doing ideas off the list will put you in competition with others |
| 17:43.00 | thiago_home | and copy/paste is never good |
| 17:43.00 | dberkholz | the nice thing about gentoo is that it's not old enough for people to have memories of when it was that crippled, because it never happened |
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| 17:43.09 | thiago_home | if you take an idea from the list, improve it, add your touch to it |
| 17:43.18 | c_plus_plus | thiago_home: will do. |
| 17:43.27 | alpaca | personally i love gentoo. however, i also dont have the time for it anymore :( |
| 17:43.32 | alpaca | i remember the days when i did have the time. |
| 17:43.42 | antileet | Hi, I had a tiny question, if someone applies to two projects, and somehow gets ranked high up on both of them, who decides which project they finally stick to? I didn't see this in the FAQ. |
| 17:43.55 | monsieurp | alpaca: you just *don't take* the time.. different |
| 17:43.59 | monsieurp | :D |
| 17:44.03 | alpaca | and its odd that i look back on it and recall it being amazing. because i think in reality i spent most of my time crying |
| 17:44.10 | c_plus_plus | antileet: the student chooses iirc |
| 17:44.15 | monsieurp | alpaca: it's up you |
| 17:44.20 | monsieurp | sorry wrong person |
| 17:44.25 | monsieurp | antileet: it's up you |
| 17:44.26 | Nikerabbit | I love gentoo too. I started missing it when I would have liked to compile own kernel in fedora :o |
| 17:44.32 | antileet | Okay, awesome. Thanks |
| 17:44.46 | alpaca | monsieurp: you're right - i probably could take a little time, but the fact is that i dont have the time to fix it when i _need_ my computer |
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| 17:45.03 | alpaca | either way, i used to have tons of time and now i dont - thats when i stopped using it |
| 17:45.13 | thiago_home | antileet: usually orgs ask the student which one he prefers |
| 17:45.16 | arkantos1097 | hi |
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| 17:45.30 | thiago_home | antileet: in some cases, one org really needs the project, so you may not get the question |
| 17:45.37 | chx | lol, we got two students apps so far and one has this Overview: This is a template for what proposals should look like. This brief overview should give a basic idea of what the project is about. 2-3 sentences should be fine. Click here for the source of this page. |
| 17:46.23 | antileet | Yeah, that makes sense. I'll still be focussing only on one or maybe two projects though. |
| 17:46.23 | monsieurp | alpaca: and now, you're just using a cra*** debian lenny to save some time.. aren't you ? :P |
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| 17:46.33 | monsieurp | -troll is coming- |
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| 17:47.03 | antileet | chx: Which organization? |
| 17:47.11 | t0ms | chx: what project? |
| 17:47.17 | chx | Drupal |
| 17:47.33 | t0ms | chx: i'm planning to apply for PMA and Druapl |
| 17:47.35 | t0ms | Drupal* |
| 17:47.38 | alpaca | monsieurp: well. ill tell you the truth. i have ubuntu installed on my desktop which i RARELY, RARELY use |
| 17:47.38 | Mkop2 | chx: they're probably planningon editing still |
| 17:47.41 | alpaca | and i bought a macbook :( |
| 17:47.45 | t0ms | :) |
| 17:47.46 | thiago_home | is a Troll |
| 17:47.52 | monsieurp | alpaca: OMFG... |
| 17:47.56 | chx | Mkop2: there is no app , whatsoever. |
| 17:47.59 | brlcad | feeds thiago_home |
| 17:47.59 | alpaca | something tells me i should leave... |
| 17:48.21 | chx | BTW if I press inelligeble where can i revert that? |
| 17:48.25 | antileet | chx: They were probably seeing how the shiny submit button works |
| 17:48.31 | monsieurp | throws a Gentoo CD at alpaca's face |
| 17:48.31 | alpaca | monsieurp: there are perfectly good explanations for my embarrassing situation! |
| 17:48.53 | thiago_home | brlcad: now I'm hungry. Gotta go make dinner. |
| 17:49.00 | thiago_home | btw, I do have a t-shirt that says "I'm a Troll" |
| 17:49.08 | brlcad | :) |
| 17:49.19 | monsieurp | alpaca: you know what ? let's talk about Ubuntu. :] |
| 17:49.26 | brlcad | enhunts thinkgeek |
| 17:49.38 | alpaca | theres nothing to say about it. it just works |
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| 17:49.42 | alpaca | ;) |
| 17:49.51 | thiago_home | brlcad: actually, it's a company t-shirt |
| 17:49.53 | antileet | Does anyone feel ubuntu's repositories are really out of date |
| 17:49.59 | monsieurp | thinks a conversation about Ubuntu will never end |
| 17:49.59 | brlcad | aww |
| 17:50.13 | antileet | trolltech thiago_home? |
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| 17:50.17 | thiago_home | antileet: correct |
| 17:50.25 | thiago_home | now Qt Software, but we still call ourselves Trolls |
| 17:50.30 | thiago_home | capital T to differentiate |
| 17:50.32 | brlcad | hah, this is fantastic.. http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/candy/9f5d/ |
| 17:50.58 | m__ | hey geeks ! |
| 17:51.25 | brlcad | wonders why that caffeine spray came up when I searched for "troll" |
| 17:51.25 | alpaca | brlcad: if i wanted to overdose on caffeine id buy that. |
| 17:51.48 | brlcad | ahhh, in the description, heh |
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| 17:51.55 | monsieurp | alpaca: I heard many Ubuntu's users complaining about the fact you always had to update it... everyday! |
| 17:52.02 | naam | Hi all |
| 17:52.15 | t0ms | monsieurp: it depends on your needs |
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| 17:52.24 | alpaca | monsieurp: i surely dont. honestly, the box is pretty much usesless. like i said, i never use it. if i did, it probably wouldnt be running ubuntu |
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| 17:52.39 | antileet | monsieurp: I barely get any upgrades at all. Rolling release sucks |
| 17:52.51 | alpaca | i dont like all the bloat it comes with anyways |
| 17:52.56 | Landon | monsieurp: I use a (very small) shell script to do that anyways :p |
| 17:53.10 | antileet | apt-get purge alpaca? |
| 17:53.16 | alpaca | not that ubuntu is bloated. it just comes with way more stuff than i need. |
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| 17:53.21 | monsieurp | alpaca: as a result, hm.. what's its name.. Pulseaudio? yeah, that's it.. so Pulseaudio makes the things don't work anymore about sound, is that right ? |
| 17:53.31 | antileet | Yup, that's a feature |
| 17:53.46 | Landon | pulseaudio isn't as bad as when they first introduced it in ubuntu |
| 17:53.55 | Landon | it Just Works (tm) for me now |
| 17:54.04 | monsieurp | ⢠|
| 17:54.06 | monsieurp | :) |
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| 17:54.34 | monsieurp | yeah ok, but I hate when you update a binary/software that doesn't work! |
| 17:54.38 | mordante | !timeline |
| 17:54.38 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 17:54.45 | Mkop2 | are all the googlers involved in GSOC on 20% time? |
| 17:54.56 | monsieurp | and especialy, when it brokes up your sys! |
| 17:55.20 | antileet | Mkop2: I don't think so, I worked there last summer and it didn't seem like it |
| 17:55.22 | Landon | monsieurp: if you need sound, it can't be that important of a system :P |
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| 17:57.16 | monsieurp | Landon: listening music is an important feature my OS must had to well perform :P |
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| 17:57.48 | Landon | monsieurp: my OS does it pretty good :P (rockbox) |
| 17:57.49 | Landon | heh |
| 17:58.07 | Landon | PRETTY WELL |
| 17:58.08 | antileet | monseiurp: Upgrades have seldom broken my box, it's usually my own stupidity |
| 17:58.11 | Landon | I meant PRETTY WELL |
| 17:58.30 | Landon | waits for old english teachers to swoop in with rulers |
| 17:58.37 | monsieurp | Landon: I should give a try to rockbox (I own a 5G Video iPod) |
| 17:58.48 | scorche | perks up |
| 17:58.54 | Landon | I don't know how much better it is than the ipods default firmware |
| 17:58.59 | Landon | but on the sansa it was a definite improvement |
| 17:59.01 | antileet | Damn, it won't work on my 6g ipod. |
| 17:59.12 | antileet | I've used rockbox, it's better but eats up battery power |
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| 17:59.17 | scorche | used to |
| 17:59.18 | bharath1097 | arch is a great linux distribution. It comes with no bloat and you can configure it the way you want archwiki is very good and the community rocks |
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| 17:59.44 | bharath1097 | i never liked ubuntu much |
| 17:59.59 | antileet | Most linux users don't seem to |
| 18:00.19 | scorche | antileet: thanks to some bits of more reverse engineering, we have figured out more about the PP chip and rockbox meets or beats the original firmware on the ipods now |
| 18:00.22 | Landon | that's odd, I have friends who have switched from gentoo to ubuntu on their desktops after years :P |
| 18:00.38 | antileet | At some point, I start to wonder when it stops becoming about the "bloat" (have you seen opensuse btw) |
| 18:00.50 | monsieurp | antileet: upgrading from esound to pulseaudio, when the system *requires* it.. where does the user behavior interfere? |
| 18:01.00 | monsieurp | :| |
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| 18:01.27 | antileet | I agree forcing pulseaudio on the user when it was immature was quite stupid |
| 18:01.34 | monsieurp | thaaaaaaaaaanks! |
| 18:01.43 | antileet | it broke the sound horribly for many users, for fidelity few people understood or even notticed |
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| 18:02.14 | antileet | And to make it worse, I haven't been able to successfully remove it, more out of fear of losing the "it just works" state of things |
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| 18:03.09 | antileet | This seems like a rant, but i feel sometimes open source people love to start projects from scratch though many good implementation exists, just because a few shiny features aren't there. |
| 18:03.24 | monsieurp | that's why I hate those fu**** update popups, that recalls me about a well known OS.. |
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| 18:04.08 | antileet | In the grand scheme of things however, how much do update popups really matter? |
| 18:04.19 | antileet | you spend two seconds clicking on the little cross, and two hours surfing the internet |
| 18:04.51 | monsieurp | it also takes you 2 seconds to break your sys :D |
| 18:05.06 | antileet | Oh, I can do it in 1 |
| 18:05.36 | monsieurp | because youre forced to upgrade the whole thing, you can't choose which updates you want (can you with Synaptic?) |
| 18:05.45 | antileet | yup |
| 18:05.55 | monsieurp | it's been a while since i use synaptic |
| 18:05.57 | antileet | you can also choose selective upgrades and fix broken dependencies |
| 18:06.01 | antileet | Dpkg is incredible |
| 18:06.08 | antileet | apt is incredible. It has super powers |
| 18:06.20 | thiago_home | super cow powers |
| 18:06.23 | c_plus_plus | moo |
| 18:07.19 | antileet | hmm, maybe I should go do some real work now :\ |
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| 18:14.25 | gwri-simpson | !nex |
| 18:14.25 | socinfo | Error: "nex" is not a valid command. |
| 18:14.28 | gwri-simpson | !next |
| 18:14.28 | socinfo | "next" is Student application period has now started, and runs until April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 18:18.32 | alpaca | can someone email me some caffeine, plz |
| 18:18.39 | alpaca | tar it if you can |
| 18:18.58 | rwohleb | alpaca: tar is bad for you.... gives you cancer |
| 18:19.11 | alpaca | im screwed :X |
| 18:19.33 | alpaca | i do need to quit smoking though. i dont even enjoy it anymore |
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| 18:19.46 | alpaca | except sometimes. |
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| 18:35.10 | p_l | argh, I just love when my shell account dies |
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| 18:42.23 | infinity0 | i can't sign into the gsoc website with my gmail account :/ |
| 18:42.32 | infinity0 | i'm using iceweasel 3.0.7 |
| 18:42.44 | MatthewWilkes | infinity0: Error? |
| 18:42.51 | infinity0 | cookies are enabled, i sign in with my password and get directed to the signin page |
| 18:42.52 | infinity0 | no error |
| 18:44.00 | gwri-dan-dan | infinity0, use other browser, i had some problems too and installed konqueror : ) |
| 18:44.08 | infinity0 | bah :| |
| 18:44.29 | gwri-dan-dan | if i remember correctly, i had server timeout |
| 18:44.34 | gwri-dan-dan | or something like that. |
| 18:44.37 | p_l|backup | infinity0: checked JS settings? |
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| 18:44.48 | infinity0 | yeah js is working fine, "enabled" |
| 18:44.55 | infinity0 | i'll try disabling adblock |
| 18:45.23 | infinity0 | and still doesn't work |
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| 18:46.39 | infinity0 | well, epiphany-browser works :| |
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| 18:50.07 | bobbens | infinity0: it works fine here |
| 18:50.28 | bobbens | with iceweasel 3.0.7 with adblock, javascript blocking thingy (disabled for the site of course) |
| 18:50.31 | infinity0 | yeah i just tried with a clean profile as well |
| 18:50.37 | infinity0 | hmm, bah |
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| 18:53.36 | relix | but durinbot, you *have* seen me in #gsoc! |
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| 18:58.30 | ajuonline | o.O |
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| 19:16.17 | infinity0 | bobbens: turns out it was the cookiesafe extension, it must have been blocking something :/ |
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| 19:20.46 | hanzz_ | !advice |
| 19:20.46 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 19:21.14 | sylar2 | !timeline |
| 19:21.15 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 19:28.30 | alpaca | does anyone know that website where you type in something you want to google, and it generates a link that looks like it brings you to googles homepage and types in whatever you specified |
| 19:28.39 | alpaca | you use it to make people feel dumb for not using google |
| 19:28.55 | hypa7ia | alpaca: lmgtfy |
| 19:28.58 | hypa7ia | :) |
| 19:29.03 | thiago_home | letmegoogleitforyou |
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| 19:29.53 | alpaca | YES! thank you! |
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| 19:31.18 | thiago_home | of course, I could have answered with http://lmgtfy.com/?q=let+me+google+that+for+you |
| 19:31.21 | alpaca | at first i was thinking it was jfgi |
| 19:31.22 | thiago_home | :-) |
| 19:31.29 | alpaca | (just fucking google it) |
| 19:31.29 | thiago_home | I was pretty sure they had a longer domain name. Did they lose it? |
| 19:31.36 | caden | http://lmgtfy.com/ |
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| 19:31.58 | caden | yeah letmegoogleitforyou.com is owned by someone else |
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| 19:32.43 | thiago_home | according to whois information, it was created on Nov 2008 |
| 19:32.53 | thiago_home | so I guess someone forgot to renew (or chose not to) |
| 19:32.58 | thiago_home | then a domain squatter took it |
| 19:33.06 | vinc456 | !next |
| 19:33.06 | socinfo | "next" is Student application period has now started, and runs until April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 19:34.07 | caden | is there any way to make socinfo spit out all of the commands it can do |
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| 19:34.28 | c_plus_plus | !help |
| 19:34.28 | socinfo | "help" is see !faq, !advice and !wiki |
| 19:34.32 | naam | HI |
| 19:34.38 | c_plus_plus | !list |
| 19:34.39 | socinfo | Error: "list" is not a valid command. |
| 19:35.08 | caden | i went and looked at the sourceforge page for supybot and tried the !commands command but it was an error |
| 19:35.20 | c_plus_plus | ! |
| 19:35.59 | meonkeys | !channelstats |
| 19:36.00 | socinfo | Error: "channelstats" is not a valid command. |
| 19:37.36 | Lennie | !stats |
| 19:37.36 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 19:37.37 | Lennie | :) |
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| 19:38.53 | meonkeys | Lennie: ah, cool. We use a "channelstats" plugin (or something) in #mifos. Counts smileys and such. :) |
| 19:39.08 | Lennie | I know, that's why I keep smiling :) |
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| 19:39.12 | Lennie | I need to make the stats:D |
| 19:39.17 | Landon | :P pisg can track smileys |
| 19:39.22 | meonkeys | lol. |
| 19:39.25 | Landon | I probably don't have it enabled though |
| 19:39.43 | dwins | :w |
| 19:39.49 | meonkeys | wow, that pisg report is slick! thanks. |
| 19:39.50 | dwins | dang. this isn't vim |
| 19:40.24 | meonkeys | dwins: is it irssi? if so, I do what you did every now and then. :) |
| 19:40.36 | dwins | meonkeys: got it in one |
| 19:41.27 | caden | how does the stats page determine which gender you are? |
| 19:41.42 | caden | or get the user picture |
| 19:42.04 | hypa7ia | woo i'm <40th in the channel |
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| 19:42.49 | meonkeys | Landon: what timezone do the pisg stats assume? |
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| 19:44.13 | Lennie | caden, meta information |
| 19:44.33 | Lennie | added by the person controlling the bot afaik |
| 19:44.35 | caden | what meta information tells what gender you are? |
| 19:44.39 | caden | ohh |
| 19:44.49 | caden | i was getting hella creeped out |
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| 19:45.13 | lmao | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2rG6SNkWTo |
| 19:46.10 | caden | hah |
| 19:47.15 | dho_plan9 | Apparently I don't speak enough in here. |
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| 19:49.23 | plastun | hi2all |
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| 19:50.35 | plastun | i am s tudent and going to add my proposal, but i don't see any other proposal from other students. Is it normal? |
| 19:51.07 | borja | plastun: yes, students can only see the proposals they have submitted |
| 19:52.04 | plastun | ok |
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| 19:56.59 | alpaca | dho_plan9: what do you mean> |
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| 20:09.46 | thiagoss | Is it possible to edit proposals? Some weird formatting happened to mine |
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| 20:11.17 | thiagoss | oh, found thelink! |
| 20:11.23 | thiagoss | its in the top of the page :-) |
| 20:11.32 | spatz | The timeline on the site says that coding begins on May 23rd and that the midterms are in mid July, but my semester ends mid June and the finals are spread all over July, is there a way I could still participate? |
| 20:11.51 | mmaruseacph2 | yes, there is |
| 20:11.59 | mmaruseacph2 | there are many of us in this situation |
| 20:12.02 | ecin | spatz: I think it's the same situation for people in europe |
| 20:12.24 | mmaruseacph2 | you have to tell in your application this fact and the mentors will look at your schedule to see if it is manageable |
| 20:12.33 | spatz | ok, that's great news :) |
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| 20:13.33 | spatz | thanks |
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| 20:14.57 | c_plus_plus | !commands |
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| 20:16.51 | alpaca | i have to hurry up and find somewhere to enroll in some night classes :X |
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| 20:22.02 | zounds | Hello |
| 20:22.29 | spectie | hey zounds |
| 20:23.25 | zounds | it seems oddly quiet in here |
| 20:23.32 | alpaca | i know, thats what i was thinking |
| 20:23.33 | zounds | checks he's in the channel he thinks he's in |
| 20:23.35 | alpaca | its been that way all aftenroon. |
| 20:23.44 | borja | it varies wildly |
| 20:23.57 | borja | earlier there was a spirited debate about the colour of bicycle sheds |
| 20:24.03 | zounds | maybe people are off furiously working on applications ;P |
| 20:24.13 | zounds | borja: what was the conclusion? |
| 20:24.23 | caden | i'm waiting for some feedback |
| 20:25.05 | caden | on my apps |
| 20:25.05 | borja | zounds: that we open source people spend too much time debating minute details like the colour of bicycle sheds :-) |
| 20:25.06 | zounds | borja: hehe |
| 20:25.11 | caden | was it what color they are or what color they should be? |
| 20:25.28 | zounds | I must get my application submitted :/ |
| 20:25.55 | caden | i turned in something which is not truly awesome but i think is decent because i want to get feedback early |
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| 20:26.01 | caden | now i'm biting my nails |
| 20:26.06 | spectie | zounds, which project[s] are you submitting to in the end ? |
| 20:26.11 | borja | caden: some people favoured just using the de facto standard (yellow, apparently) while others favoured making it user-configureable (withing reasonable limits) |
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| 20:26.19 | borja | caden: I favoured forming an ISO committee to table the matter |
| 20:26.20 | spectie | borja, i advocated no limit |
| 20:26.28 | zounds | spectie: I'm still not entirely settled |
| 20:26.38 | borja | spectie: your radical freecolourist points of view are not welcome here |
| 20:26.42 | spectie | haha |
| 20:26.42 | caden | here in chicago they have these big plastic bike lockers and the plastic is the color of speckled gray concrete |
| 20:26.48 | caden | i guess the idea is that they won't stick out |
| 20:26.49 | borja | Chicago represent! |
| 20:26.52 | zounds | and I've been too busy with college work the last few days to give it the attention I'd like |
| 20:27.00 | caden | but they'd be a lot friendlier looking if they were yellow i think |
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| 20:27.11 | thiagoss | It seems that the text editor for proposals is kind of broken in safari |
| 20:27.39 | caden | yeah, we had finals the week we were supposed to be reading the mentor list and backgrounds |
| 20:27.57 | caden | someone else was having trouble with the site in iceweasel |
| 20:28.11 | caden | time to try it in chrome i guess :) |
| 20:28.25 | zounds | that's such an odd name for...well, anything really |
| 20:28.39 | thiagoss | switched to firefox and all was nice. |
| 20:28.53 | caden | i agree. i run debian on one of my machines and i have yet to tell the difference betwen iceweasel and firefox |
| 20:29.00 | caden | except for the name |
| 20:29.06 | mch | hey guys is there any list of organizations sorted by programming languages somewhere? |
| 20:29.08 | spectie | which is better! |
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| 20:29.28 | alpaca | !org_by_lang |
| 20:29.28 | socinfo | Error: "org_by_lang" is not a valid command. |
| 20:29.30 | alpaca | errr. |
| 20:29.34 | alpaca | !orgbylang |
| 20:29.34 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 20:29.36 | mch | ok thx |
| 20:29.58 | spectie | how do you add your project to that list ? |
| 20:30.03 | spectie | is it necessary to have a delicious account? |
| 20:30.14 | alpaca | no idea. i have actually never used delicious |
| 20:30.25 | dhaun | spectie: details were posted on the mentors list |
| 20:30.30 | spectie | ah ok |
| 20:30.32 | spectie | thanks |
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| 20:33.20 | alpaca | all the irc channels im in are really quiet. is there something important going on in the real world that no one told me about? |
| 20:33.31 | summatusmentis | I'm working on my application |
| 20:33.43 | oguz | alpaca: same applies for me too :s |
| 20:33.52 | alpaca | i guess we just didnt get invited... |
| 20:34.07 | caden | hah |
| 20:34.12 | caden | well people who are workign are at work |
| 20:34.16 | alpaca | im at work! |
| 20:34.19 | caden | HAHAH |
| 20:34.20 | alpaca | but that doesnt stop me. |
| 20:34.31 | oguz | caden: it's 22:30 here :) |
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| 20:34.42 | caden | in silicon valley they'll be in work for like 3.5 more hours |
| 20:34.44 | alpaca | what else am i supposed to do when "compiling" or "importing"? :P |
| 20:34.53 | caden | fair enough |
| 20:34.57 | matek | hi all, my name is Robert and i'm from Poland;) |
| 20:35.02 | alpaca | Hi Robert |
| 20:35.04 | gwri-dan-dan | oguz, where are you from ? |
| 20:35.10 | oguz | gwri-dan-dan: turkey |
| 20:35.10 | caden | hullo! |
| 20:35.17 | gwri-dan-dan | neighbor |
| 20:35.22 | oguz | gwri-dan-dan: and you? |
| 20:35.35 | gwri-dan-dan | poznai : ) |
| 20:35.52 | gwri-dan-dan | i'm in BG |
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| 20:37.07 | caden | belgium? |
| 20:37.12 | caden | bulgaria? |
| 20:37.21 | smtms | caden, Bulgaria |
| 20:37.25 | caden | ah |
| 20:37.27 | caden | ty |
| 20:37.34 | gwri-dan-dan | bulgaria |
| 20:38.00 | alpaca | bowling green? |
| 20:38.19 | gwri-dan-dan | :) |
| 20:38.31 | caden | alpaca maybe everyone is secretly messaging each other and that's why it's so quiet |
| 20:38.43 | Landon | maybe we're all in the other channel |
| 20:38.44 | Landon | :D |
| 20:38.59 | summatusmentis | ssh! you're not supposed to talk about that |
| 20:39.01 | caden | Landon: what other channel? O_O <-- paranoid |
| 20:39.05 | summatusmentis | has seaid too much |
| 20:39.13 | summatusmentis | s/seaid/said/ |
| 20:39.34 | oguz | in the other channel the proposal writes YOU! |
| 20:39.55 | caden | wow that was so bad it made me laugh |
| 20:39.59 | alpaca | #sovietrussia |
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| 20:40.03 | Landon | that was the most horrendous jelly bean ever |
| 20:40.07 | caden | is it cosg, the bizarro channel? |
| 20:40.09 | Landon | well |
| 20:40.17 | Landon | the most horrendous I've had in the past few days |
| 20:40.32 | summatusmentis | Landon: explain to me why you're considering a macbook when you have the eee? |
| 20:40.33 | caden | landon do you enter the genders of the irc nicks in your stats app by hand? |
| 20:40.41 | caden | which eeepc? |
| 20:40.50 | summatusmentis | 1000<something> |
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| 20:41.07 | caden | i had the 701 and sold it this year for a hp 2140 mini, because the screen was so small |
| 20:41.27 | caden | but the eeepc was a good machine |
| 20:41.40 | c_plus_plus | I have a 900 and I'm loving it. |
| 20:41.50 | caden | XP or xandros? or other? |
| 20:41.54 | summatusmentis | c_plus_plus: seriously considering the 901 |
| 20:42.11 | caden | i even liked the xandros install although i'd nver used it before |
| 20:42.13 | c_plus_plus | Ubuntu Eee. |
| 20:42.19 | caden | nice |
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| 20:43.00 | c_plus_plus | summatrusmentis:good. My only regret with the 900 is not having the Intel Atom. |
| 20:43.14 | caden | is it a VIA then? |
| 20:43.29 | borja | I recently got a 901 and I really like it |
| 20:43.30 | c_plus_plus | no. I believe it is celeron. |
| 20:43.44 | summatusmentis | c_plus_plus: that's primarily why I'm looking at it, atom, bt, 802.11n, and webcam |
| 20:43.45 | Erant | The Atom isn't all it's cracked up to be. |
| 20:44.00 | caden | what kind of HD? solid state or regular? |
| 20:44.04 | summatusmentis | Erant: I'd like more power saving than the 900Mhz celeron can do? |
| 20:44.11 | summatusmentis | caden: the 901 has ssd |
| 20:44.13 | c_plus_plus | Erant; It is cooler and less power consuming |
| 20:44.14 | caden | nice |
| 20:44.17 | Erant | summatusmentis: Well, true. |
| 20:44.31 | summatusmentis | caden: granted, only 20gb, but still |
| 20:44.31 | Erant | But if you want that, go for a RISC core. |
| 20:44.43 | caden | 20 gb is 20 if you're just using it to toddle around town with |
| 20:44.44 | summatusmentis | Erant: RISC is different than ARM? |
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| 20:44.55 | caden | s/ 20 / plenty / |
| 20:45.02 | Erant | summatusmentis: RISC is a family of CPUs, ARM is an instance of a RISC proc. |
| 20:45.02 | summatusmentis | also, does any mainstream manufacturer do that Erant ? |
| 20:45.24 | Erant | They're slowly pouring into the market, yeah. |
| 20:45.47 | caden | can you give us an example brand name Erant? |
| 20:45.48 | summatusmentis | mostly in the form of phones, yes? |
| 20:45.53 | caden | that we might hear of |
| 20:46.04 | summatusmentis | if there were a netbook w/ an arm cpu, I'd be totally ok with that |
| 20:46.29 | alpaca | id be freaked out if my netbook had an arm |
| 20:46.39 | summatusmentis | why? |
| 20:46.39 | caden | hahah alpaca, the mental image is pretty creepy-- |
| 20:46.42 | alpaca | ;) |
| 20:46.44 | caden | a big muscular arm like trogdor |
| 20:46.47 | alpaca | YES! |
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| 20:46.53 | alpaca | thats exactly the image i had in my head, hahahaha |
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| 20:47.08 | caden | but then maybe it could do the typing for you |
| 20:47.28 | Erant | caden: Yeah, lemme look it up. |
| 20:47.33 | caden | cool |
| 20:48.08 | jefferai | is there a way to change student status to "accepted" without giving them a rank? |
| 20:48.15 | jefferai | leaving a comment doesn't do it |
| 20:48.18 | jefferai | but we don't want mentors ranking yet |
| 20:48.32 | summatusmentis | awfully early huh? |
| 20:48.51 | gchaix | jefferai: I doubt it, since accpeted doesn't happen until *much* later |
| 20:48.57 | jefferai | erm |
| 20:48.57 | summatusmentis | Erant: I suppose my n810 is close to a netbook |
| 20:48.58 | Erant | Freescale is in on the deal, ARM themselves are, and Canonical is doing the Ubuntu port |
| 20:49.01 | jefferai | no, it's already hppening on Melange |
| 20:49.11 | Erant | summatusmentis: You're from the Maemo project? |
| 20:49.26 | summatusmentis | Erant: not from, no. I bought an n810 because OpenAFS runs on it :) |
| 20:49.36 | caden | hah you're an addict |
| 20:49.37 | jefferai | gchaix: sorry, I meant "under review" |
| 20:49.42 | gchaix | Ahh |
| 20:49.51 | Erant | summatusmentis: Ah :P |
| 20:50.24 | summatusmentis | Erant: used to spend a fair amount of time in #maemo though |
| 20:50.36 | jefferai | gchaix: any idea? |
| 20:50.39 | gchaix | jefferai: I think "under review" is just assumed once the application is submitted |
| 20:50.57 | Erant | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3522920675.html |
| 20:50.57 | gchaix | I don't see anything in my interface that does anything like that |
| 20:51.15 | caden | ty Erant |
| 20:51.19 | Erant | It'll take another 6 months for the first devices to come out though, I'd guess. |
| 20:51.55 | caden | wow a netbook that runs android, i didn't know it was going beyond mobile devices |
| 20:51.59 | summatusmentis | 6 months is too long for me :) |
| 20:52.03 | Erant | About time we moved away from that idiot arch w call x86 |
| 20:52.13 | Erant | s/w /we/ |
| 20:52.18 | Erant | doh |
| 20:52.33 | caden | ibot are you a bot? or only sometimes? |
| 20:52.49 | summatusmentis | ibot is a bot, afaik |
| 20:52.56 | kblin | caden: ibot is a somtimes laggy bot |
| 20:54.30 | caden | does the owner ever tlak through it, i could have sworn it said something intelligent yesterday |
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| 20:54.32 | caden | pokes ibot tentatively with a stick |
| 20:54.33 | kblin | nah |
| 20:54.45 | caden | must have been a dream i had |
| 20:54.52 | Erant | ibot: Sssh |
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| 20:55.20 | Erant | socinfo: Shut up |
| 20:55.20 | socinfo | Error: "Shut" is not a valid command. |
| 20:55.26 | Erant | Pfrty |
| 20:55.26 | Landon | ibot: shush |
| 20:55.27 | ibot | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 20:55.32 | Erant | That one. |
| 20:55.39 | summatusmentis | Landon: shsush |
| 20:55.50 | summatusmentis | s/shsush/shush/ |
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| 20:55.51 | Landon | NO YOU |
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| 20:56.13 | borja | I think you can also ask ibot for a snack |
| 20:56.15 | borja | ibot: snack |
| 20:56.16 | ibot | ACTION belches loudly. Oup, 'begpardon. |
| 20:56.32 | borja | no snack for me, I guess |
| 20:56.44 | summatusmentis | borja: snack |
| 20:56.54 | borja | coughs politely |
| 20:57.28 | Landon | gets to work on a huffman thingummer |
| 20:57.36 | lh | !advice |
| 20:57.37 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
| 20:57.39 | borja | mmmm encodings |
| 20:57.48 | summatusmentis | lh: o/ |
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| 20:58.48 | caden | ibot: snack |
| 20:58.49 | ibot | ACTION belches loudly. Oup, 'begpardon. |
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| 21:00.06 | c_plus_plus | what type of bot is ibot? |
| 21:00.17 | alpaca | 5 oclock! YES |
| 21:00.19 | alpaca | laterz. |
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| 21:00.55 | Erant | c_plus_plus: Cylon. |
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| 21:01.07 | summatusmentis | isn't it an ibot? |
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| 21:01.30 | Raim | infobot, I would say |
| 21:01.39 | summatusmentis | oh, hrr |
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| 21:01.48 | Bloodmaker | ^wtf |
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| 21:02.58 | huda_s86 | hello all |
| 21:03.01 | thetopcoder | hello everybody |
| 21:03.13 | Bloodmaker | hi pplz |
| 21:03.25 | Bloodmaker | who made durinbot? |
| 21:03.42 | Bloodmaker | it's using outdated info |
| 21:03.52 | summatusmentis | duringbot? |
| 21:03.58 | Bloodmaker | nope |
| 21:04.02 | Bloodmaker | durinbot |
| 21:04.03 | huda_s86 | can I have a look to previous years proposal so I can see to what extent the project sechudle is detailed? |
| 21:04.07 | scorche | durinbot's database was wiped for the new year |
| 21:04.08 | summatusmentis | right, what is that? |
| 21:04.13 | Bloodmaker | at least i got private from durinbot |
| 21:04.23 | Bloodmaker | <durinbot> Hi. I've never seen you before in #gsoc, so I just wanted to ask that you check the FAQ and userguide before asking questions. |
| 21:04.32 | scorche | <@scorche> durinbot's database was wiped for the new year |
| 21:04.59 | Bloodmaker | how long ago? |
| 21:05.55 | Beket | Just out of couriosity, can an admin/mentor see the submitted proposals prior to April, 3 (I'd guess 'yes') |
| 21:06.06 | relix | beket yes |
| 21:06.08 | summatusmentis | Beket: 'yes' |
| 21:06.15 | Beket | cool, thanks |
| 21:06.56 | huda_s86 | can anybody tell me how detailed the sechedule will be? |
| 21:07.16 | scorche | your mentors can... |
| 21:07.22 | c_plus_plus | !askyourorg |
| 21:07.22 | socinfo | "askyourorg" is You should ask the organization you are interested in applying as this varies per organization. |
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| 21:08.21 | huda_s86 | but I think google which will evaluate the proposals? |
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| 21:08.59 | dhaun | huda_s86: no, the orgs review the proposals |
| 21:10.21 | lim123 | I don't think the orgs will leave something as important as selecting the students to google :) |
| 21:11.02 | Abhinav1 | Is anyone going for Xiph org here? |
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| 21:14.54 | huda_s86 | from the timeline, I see that final evaluation deadline is 24 August, for submitting or desciding? |
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| 21:15.34 | huda_s86 | I mean 23 august will be good to submit my code or it is late? |
| 21:16.16 | dhaun | huda_s86: I would hope that you submit code throughout the summer ... |
| 21:16.23 | Ivanovic | huda_s86: at that date the work is *over* |
| 21:16.34 | Ivanovic | and you should commit the code *often* in the time between |
| 21:16.59 | schumaml | "September 3: Students can begin submitting required code samples to Google" |
| 21:17.13 | schumaml | note the "to Google" |
| 21:17.36 | thiago_home | huda_s86: August 23 is when you have to submit the last code to be evaluated by your mentor |
| 21:17.40 | Ivanovic | this is only a formality google needs |
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| 21:17.43 | schumaml | most organizations will require you to keep the code in their revision control systems all of the time |
| 21:17.44 | thiago_home | it's definitely not the *first* |
| 21:17.55 | thiago_home | if you wait until then to submit, you can expect a big, bold, red-letter FAIL |
| 21:17.57 | Ivanovic | because for the US tax stuff they have to be able to prove that something was sent in |
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| 21:18.11 | schumaml | we create branches in svn for the students, for example |
| 21:18.54 | Ivanovic | we will most likely have all the stuff right in our main tree and it will be included in the dev releases... |
| 21:19.12 | schumaml | Ivanovic: did you do this before? how did this work out? |
| 21:19.27 | Ivanovic | that is: yeah, we will, from bad experiences last year, require *very regular* commits |
| 21:19.31 | Ivanovic | schumaml: it worked |
| 21:19.50 | Ivanovic | schumaml: of course we always try to have it in a working state |
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| 21:20.16 | Ivanovic | that is: the new stuff might only be accessible eg via a startup param |
| 21:20.48 | Ivanovic | or even a compile param |
| 21:20.51 | Bloodmaker | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.57 | Ivanovic | but it is shipped right in our main tarball |
| 21:21.08 | Ivanovic | Bloodmaker: yes, you have to also submit your work to google at the end |
| 21:21.13 | schumaml | Bloodmaker: you aren't the manual reading type, are you? :) |
| 21:21.16 | Ivanovic | that is: of course you don't have to change the license |
| 21:21.25 | Bloodmaker | lol @ schumaml |
| 21:21.33 | Bloodmaker | i jumped in at the wrong time |
| 21:21.38 | Upth | Bloodmaker: September 3rd is after the whole thing is over. |
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| 21:22.53 | Upth | August 25: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC Final results of GSoC 2009 announced |
| 21:22.53 | Upth | September 3: Students can begin submitting required code samples to Google |
| 21:22.57 | schumaml | Bloodmaker: comments like that on this channel may be dangerous for your soc career ;) |
| 21:23.48 | Bloodmaker | point taken |
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| 21:25.39 | disismt | Hi , if I submit a proposal now, can I change/edit it later? |
| 21:26.11 | Ivanovic | disismt: in general: yes |
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| 21:26.39 | Upth | I imagine that it would probably be a bad idea to change it after it is accepted, though. |
| 21:26.39 | disismt | in general? |
| 21:26.50 | Ivanovic | that is: it *might* be needed that the org comments on the application, then you can definitly update it |
| 21:27.56 | disismt | That's what I wanted to know. So its better I submit a proposal and ask the mentoors to comment on it |
| 21:27.58 | Bloodmaker | lol |
| 21:28.05 | Ivanovic | disismt: yes |
| 21:28.06 | Bloodmaker | lol @ durinbot * |
| 21:28.14 | disismt | Ivanovic, ok thanks |
| 21:28.15 | Ivanovic | though you should also talk to the org before submitting |
| 21:28.18 | disismt | ok |
| 21:28.22 | Ivanovic | this helps *a lot* to increase the quality |
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| 21:59.31 | summatusmentis | man it's quiet here |
| 21:59.43 | summatusmentis | calm before the storm or something? |
| 22:00.09 | WinterMute | !next |
| 22:00.10 | socinfo | "next" is Student application period has now started, and runs until April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 22:00.23 | summatusmentis | well, yeah, I know |
| 22:00.35 | summatusmentis | but still, there's usually just people idly talking or something |
| 22:00.39 | WinterMute | I was just curious how long students had to apply |
| 22:00.52 | WinterMute | wasn't really related :p |
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| 22:00.55 | summatusmentis | heh |
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| 22:01.07 | summatusmentis | is working on his application patch |
| 22:01.27 | zounds | I'm amused by the countdown |
| 22:01.36 | zounds | I also have more time than I thought |
| 22:01.55 | WinterMute | it's just that odd time of day I guess - I find european channels tend to be more active around this sort of time |
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| 22:10.29 | relix | !next |
| 22:10.30 | socinfo | "next" is Student application period has now started, and runs until April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 22:12.41 | thiago_home | nitpicks that that's not next, that's current |
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| 22:18.30 | summatusmentis | thiago_home: it's the next deadline |
| 22:19.03 | thiago_home | ok, now that makes sense :-) |
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| 22:19.32 | summatusmentis | :-D |
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| 22:23.12 | MatthewWilkes | First applications have landed :) |
| 22:23.15 | MatthewWilkes | (For Plone) |
| 22:23.43 | summatusmentis | are they good? |
| 22:24.33 | MatthewWilkes | I'm going to hold off judgement until I can compare with others we get, but certainly they've had time and effort put into them |
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| 22:27.13 | MatthewWilkes | Hmm, thought so. Subliminal messages fail on /Sunshine/ - Film |
| 22:27.17 | MatthewWilkes | Quite visible |
| 22:27.18 | summatusmentis | :) |
| 22:27.23 | MatthewWilkes | did it slowmo to check |
| 22:27.52 | Landon | what :o |
| 22:27.57 | Landon | whats the message? |
| 22:28.05 | MatthewWilkes | photos of smiling people |
| 22:28.12 | Landon | oh |
| 22:28.22 | Landon | heh |
| 22:28.34 | Landon | I thought those were kind of long to be counted as subliminal |
| 22:28.46 | MatthewWilkes | ? |
| 22:28.53 | MatthewWilkes | only a couple of frames |
| 22:29.09 | Landon | I figured they were meant to be noticed |
| 22:29.13 | Landon | (liminally) |
| 22:29.14 | Landon | :P |
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| 22:29.37 | Landon | superliminally*, I guess |
| 22:29.40 | Landon | yay for define: |
| 22:29.51 | MatthewWilkes | Hey, you, join the navy! |
| 22:29.59 | Landon | yvan eht nioj |
| 22:30.03 | Landon | better than the one in Fight Club though |
| 22:32.39 | summatusmentis | the one in fight club? |
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| 22:33.00 | Landon | at the end |
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| 22:37.50 | gwri-dan-dan | !next |
| 22:37.50 | socinfo | "next" is Student application period has now started, and runs until April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 22:45.29 | zounds | !orglist |
| 22:45.29 | socinfo | "orglist" is http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 22:45.36 | zounds | I wasn't sure that'd work |
| 22:46.09 | summatusmentis | Landon: are you anywhere close on your application? |
| 22:46.44 | Landon | have I starteD? |
| 22:46.45 | Landon | no |
| 22:46.46 | Landon | :P |
| 22:46.49 | summatusmentis | haha |
| 22:46.50 | Landon | doing homework |
| 22:46.52 | Landon | :( |
| 22:46.57 | Landon | have some really cool ideas though |
| 22:46.59 | Landon | yay lucid dreams |
| 22:47.04 | summatusmentis | I've started, but I've got so much other stuff I need to do too |
| 22:47.19 | Landon | I had this organizer appp |
| 22:47.22 | Landon | that helped me last year |
| 22:47.31 | Landon | hnb, I think |
| 22:47.38 | Landon | made time fly |
| 22:49.02 | summatusmentis | hrm |
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| 22:50.30 | Landon | I'll have to bust arse if I want to get more than one app out though |
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| 22:50.31 | Landon | :\ |
| 22:50.59 | summatusmentis | oh yeah, I suppose you're not w/ the same org as last year |
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| 22:51.28 | Landon | yeah, theyaren't in this year |
| 22:51.29 | Landon | :( |
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| 22:51.50 | Landon | going to see if I can plan out time to help polish last years project though |
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| 22:54.28 | Hailsematary | just to inform, today is (25th March) The Document Freedom Day |
| 22:54.36 | Hailsematary | more information can be found in here : http://documentfreedom.org/ |
| 22:54.54 | Hailsematary | http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument |
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| 23:01.18 | lemmy | lh: Hi, apparently socghop doesn't allow me to have both the mentor and the student role assigned. Is this done intentionally? |
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| 23:01.31 | Catfish_Man | it is |
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| 23:01.35 | Catfish_Man | you can't be a mentor and a student |
| 23:01.52 | lemmy | Catfish_Man: LH said different a few weeks ago when I asked her. |
| 23:02.07 | Catfish_Man | hm |
| 23:02.11 | Catfish_Man | maybe that changed too then |
| 23:02.16 | Catfish_Man | I know it used to be true |
| 23:02.34 | borja | lemmy: Are you sure that's what she said? You can certainly be a student (in the general sense) and a mentor, but you can't be a GSoC student and a GSoC mentor at the same time. That has always been that way. |
| 23:02.42 | MatthewWilkes | lemmy: Don't sign up as a mentor now, sign up as a student. If your applications aren't accepted you can become a mentor |
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| 23:04.43 | daste | howdy ha :-D |
| 23:05.24 | ojwb | lemmy: the FAQ explicitly says you can't do both |
| 23:05.32 | ojwb | though that was different in previous years |
| 23:05.55 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: It might not have explicitly said so in previous years, but you couldn't be both |
| 23:06.10 | ojwb | hmm, I'm fairly sure I heard of it happening |
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| 23:06.16 | ojwb | perhaps I misunderstood |
| 23:06.18 | Catfish_Man | hi daste |
| 23:06.24 | ojwb | and it was someone who'd done both in different years |
| 23:06.29 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: Nope, lots of people wanted to (myself included ;) |
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| 23:06.43 | redrebel | anyone know a good project to work on that has to do with finance? |
| 23:06.55 | MatthewWilkes | The main reason, as I understand it, is that you'd have access to the mentor mailing list |
| 23:07.02 | ojwb | anyway, the FAQ (at least when I read it) had an explicit prohibition on it |
| 23:07.19 | r0bby | hai |
| 23:07.21 | ojwb | though if you mentor one year and student the next, that's probably also true |
| 23:07.24 | lemmy | MatthewWilkes: I've been a mentor in previous years. I already have access to the list. :) |
| 23:07.46 | MatthewWilkes | lemmy: Then I believe it's on your honour to unsubscribe yourself ;) |
| 23:08.09 | lemmy | MatthewWilkes: First I will wait for LH's "official" answer. |
| 23:08.30 | MatthewWilkes | lemmy: It's official, you can't be both in the same year. |
| 23:08.42 | MatthewWilkes | (really) |
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| 23:09.56 | ojwb | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#mentor_and_student |
| 23:10.12 | ojwb | lh also said someone needed to choose which to be by monday just gone |
| 23:10.14 | lh | lemmy: what's up? |
| 23:11.28 | lemmy | LH: I'm pretty sure you said it's not a problem to be both a student and mentor this year when I asked you a few weeks ago in here. Now socghop does not let me have both roles and the FAQ apparently confirms this rule. |
| 23:12.00 | lh | lemmy: i most certainly never said it was ok to do both. it is not, as stated in the faq. |
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| 23:13.15 | lemmy | hmm, must have dreamed it then. But never mind, I will only sign up as a student then. Eclipse probably has enough mentors anyway. %) |
| 23:13.37 | borja | lh: I've found a few people who have confused "student" (in the general sense) with "GSoC student" in this regard. What they were really asking was "is it ok for someone who is 'just a student' (i.e., not a software developer, etc.) to apply to be a mentor?" |
| 23:13.47 | borja | lh: not saying that is the case here, though |
| 23:14.05 | lh | borja: ok i can update the faq in a sec |
| 23:14.31 | borja | lh: coolness |
| 23:14.42 | summatusmentis | hi lh |
| 23:15.23 | lh | summatusmentis: yo! |
| 23:15.31 | summatusmentis | hows life? |
| 23:16.32 | ojwb | realises he met lemmy at the summit last year, at least for long enough to sign keys |
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| 23:17.08 | summatusmentis | oh, keysigning |
| 23:17.09 | summatusmentis | hrm |
| 23:17.28 | ojwb | ? |
| 23:17.49 | summatusmentis | I've just never really done it |
| 23:18.03 | summatusmentis | always contemplated it, and would like to actually have a use for gpg keys |
| 23:18.15 | summatusmentis | but no one I know uses it, and it's a hassle with gmail |
| 23:18.19 | lh | summatusmentis: good. |
| 23:18.54 | ojwb | is in debian NM, which requires a key signed by (IIRC) at least two DDs |
| 23:18.54 | summatusmentis | lh: awesome |
| 23:19.09 | Corsix | I feel like I should write a proposal for a drupal project for SoC, seeing as I've done nothing with them since the end of GHOP, but I can't get enthused about any of their project ideas :/ |
| 23:19.09 | ojwb | and also I've started signing release announcements, and including SHA1 checksums |
| 23:19.10 | MatthewWilkes | I was going to, but I got into a long conversation with limi, sidnei, mramm and a few others about cause/effect of the prevalence of drug use in different web frameworks' communities (apparently we're the worst) |
| 23:19.10 | Sledge | ojwb: meh, you're covered for that :-) |
| 23:19.21 | summatusmentis | Corsix: write your own |
| 23:19.39 | summatusmentis | Corsix: that is, come up with an idea you are interested in |
| 23:19.41 | ojwb | which allows people to check that the tarballs and announcement are genuine |
| 23:19.51 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: NM / DD? |
| 23:19.58 | Corsix | summatusmentis: I haven't come up with anything yet either |
| 23:20.00 | summatusmentis | Debian Dev I assume |
| 23:20.02 | ojwb | Sledge: yes! |
| 23:20.11 | summatusmentis | although not sure what NM means |
| 23:20.18 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: oh, Debian - New Maintainer |
| 23:20.21 | ojwb | and Debian Developer |
| 23:20.24 | MatthewWilkes | ah |
| 23:20.49 | summatusmentis | Corsix: well, there's nothing stopping you. You're also not tied to drupla at all |
| 23:21.13 | Corsix | summatusmentis: I know, I just feel bad at being their winner for GHOP and then doing nothing with them |
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| 23:21.33 | summatusmentis | Corsix: talked to them at all? they might be able to help you brainstorm |
| 23:21.38 | summatusmentis | if you're set on working with them |
| 23:22.06 | Corsix | summatusmentis: Yeah, and nothing really great came up there either |
| 23:22.20 | p_l|backup | ahahahaha.... google "stallman dead" |
| 23:22.24 | ojwb | Corsix: you could do something else this year, and a drupal project next year |
| 23:22.25 | summatusmentis | hrm... what is 'great' to you? |
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| 23:23.16 | Corsix | I'm not sure what is 'great' for me; some projects really grab me, others don't |
| 23:24.17 | summatusmentis | yeah... any idea what about the projects grab you? |
| 23:24.18 | p_l|backup | I find OpenCog great, but mostly due to the goal, not the code :) |
| 23:24.50 | MatthewWilkes | lh: I realise this is _absurdly_ early to think about it, but I have my mentor summit tshirt on and noticed the dates from last year coincide with ploneconf this year, are you planning to hold it at around the same time? |
| 23:25.06 | lh | oct 24-25th is on the radar for this year |
| 23:25.10 | lh | that conflict with ploneconf? |
| 23:25.34 | MatthewWilkes | Ploneconf is oct28th-nov1st |
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| 23:25.54 | lh | woot! |
| 23:25.56 | lh | dodged a bullet! |
| 23:26.07 | summatusmentis | !timeline |
| 23:26.07 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 23:26.12 | MatthewWilkes | :) We moved it because we clashed with yom kippur last year |
| 23:26.41 | summatusmentis | lh: pm? |
| 23:27.09 | lh | summatusmentis: sure |
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| 23:29.06 | theoffset | is anybody having a blank page shown when connecting to any socghop.appsopt.com page? |
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| 23:29.55 | theoffset | ohh nvm... just figured out that is the campus' crappy squid installation |
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| 23:32.30 | MatthewWilkes | Ok, half way through the cheap DVD marathon, do I go for soylent green or quantum of solace? |
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| 23:32.51 | p_l|backup | MatthewWilkes: Soylent Green |
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| 23:40.12 | enginuitor | Definitely Soylent Green |
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| 23:41.04 | MatthewWilkes | de-shrinkwraps |
| 23:41.18 | enginuitor | Line up the Cube trilogy next if you've got it :-D |
| 23:41.41 | MatthewWilkes | hehe, only seen the first one |
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| 23:42.05 | MatthewWilkes | Just did The Rock, then Sunshine |
| 23:42.07 | enginuitor | It's amazing... it only gets more absurd from there |
| 23:42.29 | MatthewWilkes | I loved the line in the rock where the navy seal kicks connery and insults him for being english |
| 23:42.59 | MatthewWilkes | he's a scottish nationalist! |
| 23:44.32 | enginuitor | Then in the last movie the production values change drastically (e.g. more than one set(!!)) and they try to retroactively patch in an entire universe and backstory in the space of one movie |
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| 23:49.31 | enginuitor | And there's even a one-eyed gimpy eccentric boss villain with overly extravagant speech patterns |
| 23:49.39 | enginuitor | You cannot lose |
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| 23:58.29 | ojwb | hmm, there's a soylent green (2012) in imdb |
| 23:58.43 | p_l|backup | O_O |
| 23:58.46 | enginuitor | oh dear :-| |
| 23:58.52 | glaksmono | HEY, where's Ubuntu? |
| 23:58.57 | glaksmono | why is it suddenly gone? |
| 23:59.04 | Catfish_Man | glaksmono: they withdrew |
| 23:59.07 | chunmun | err.. the abstract this year is 500 characters?! compared to 2500 chars last year! |
| 23:59.13 | glaksmono | Catfish_Man: wow.. |
| 23:59.21 | summatusmentis | !ubuntu |
| 23:59.21 | socinfo | "ubuntu" is Ubuntu had applied and was accepted, but they have subsequently chosen not to participate in GSoC 2009 |
| 23:59.32 | glaksmono | !reason |
| 23:59.33 | socinfo | Error: "reason" is not a valid command. |
| 23:59.37 | glaksmono | kk |
| 23:59.38 | summatusmentis | oh, Catfish_Man beat me |
| 23:59.45 | glaksmono | Catfish_Man: do you know what was the reason? |
| 23:59.51 | glaksmono | no mentor? |
| 23:59.56 | Catfish_Man | I have no idea |
| 23:59.59 | glaksmono | kk |
| 23:59.59 | summatusmentis | glaksmono: you should ask them, I don't know that anyone knows the reason |
