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| 00:03.17 | Erant | p_l: Bet all the girls were all over you. ;) |
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| 00:05.34 | grwi | : ) |
| 00:05.41 | p_l | Erant: don't tease me ;-( |
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| 00:06.38 | grwi | is it forbiden if I post a link to youtube ?: ) |
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| 00:07.11 | p_l | also, it's not like 20~30s of XX century, where being a pilot gave bragging rights of that kind :P |
| 00:07.21 | grwi | "Weird Al" Yankovic - White & Nerdy - at you tube : ) |
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| 00:08.27 | glaksmono | wohoo, LimeSurvey accepted! ;) |
| 00:08.30 | glaksmono | good job guys! |
| 00:09.47 | p_l | grwi: Well, I don't resemble the guy in it... but that's more the effect of my genotype than activities :D |
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| 00:15.37 | jasebo | :-) |
| 00:15.46 | jasebo | glaksmono: ^ |
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| 00:34.15 | MatthewWilkes | lh: You've got an in'n'out? I'm so jealous. Every time I have one I get cravings for months. |
| 00:37.11 | antarus | MatthewWilkes: its about a 5 minute walk from the office ;) |
| 00:38.58 | MatthewWilkes | antarus: awww |
| 00:39.09 | MatthewWilkes | antarus: I only had 1 at the mentor summit, on the way back to the airport |
| 00:39.19 | MatthewWilkes | 4x4 ftw |
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| 00:49.32 | jasebo | MatthewWilkes: they are hamburgers? |
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| 00:49.56 | antarus | jasebo: large tasty hamburgers |
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| 00:50.19 | jasebo | it's lunchtime, and I was going to have 2 minute noodles... and now I want a hamburger |
| 00:51.49 | glaksmono | it's dinner time, i'm going to get some rice.. :D |
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| 00:51.50 | glaksmono | rice rocks! |
| 00:51.50 | glaksmono | rice + soy sauce |
| 00:51.50 | glaksmono | = awesome |
| 00:51.54 | jasebo | sure, rice is lovely... but compared to a _hamburger_ ? |
| 00:52.05 | p_l | rice >>>> hamburger |
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| 00:52.20 | glaksmono | hamburger hmm.. unless if it's in-n-out.. it's okay.. |
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| 00:52.32 | glaksmono | or homemade..??? |
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| 00:52.49 | antarus | glaksmono: I'll take rice pudding |
| 00:52.54 | antarus | but not rice ;p |
| 00:53.04 | Catfish_Man | in-n-out has pretty mediocre burgers... |
| 00:53.11 | glaksmono | antarus: ah, that's awesome.. i got rice drink,, it's called.. |
| 00:53.20 | antarus | rice alcohol, also good |
| 00:53.22 | glaksmono | antarus: i forgot what it's called omg.. |
| 00:53.27 | antarus | sake? :p |
| 00:53.30 | glaksmono | noo.. |
| 00:53.37 | antarus | Catfish_Man: what about Clarkes? |
| 00:53.44 | Catfish_Man | dunno, haven't had those |
| 00:53.45 | glaksmono | made in mexico lol.. i forgot what it'scalled |
| 00:54.01 | jasebo | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,332098,00.html |
| 00:54.09 | arma | horchata ? |
| 00:54.15 | jasebo | Thta's what I want for lunch now |
| 00:54.19 | glaksmono | arma: THAT's right! |
| 00:54.20 | glaksmono | lol |
| 00:54.36 | glaksmono | jasebo: WOW! |
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| 00:55.19 | jasebo | the only problem is eating it politely |
| 00:55.37 | glaksmono | jase |
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| 00:55.51 | glaksmono | jasebo, lol, put water first lol |
| 00:55.56 | glaksmono | like, a lot of water |
| 00:56.14 | jasebo | lol |
| 00:57.18 | eflynn | Hi |
| 00:58.50 | jasebo | hi eflynn |
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| 01:02.39 | eflynn | I am thinking about applying to GSoC as a student. i don't know exactly what project i can tackle but i have some ideas... is it too late to do so or am i right on time? |
| 01:02.52 | Abadaar | !next |
| 01:02.52 | socinfo | "next" is March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. |
| 01:03.00 | qsx | !next |
| 01:03.01 | socinfo | "next" is March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. |
| 01:03.05 | antarus | !ponies |
| 01:03.05 | socinfo | Error: "ponies" is not a valid command. |
| 01:03.08 | antarus | :( |
| 01:03.14 | Abadaar | :( |
| 01:03.15 | eflynn | !wtf |
| 01:03.16 | socinfo | Error: "wtf" is not a valid command. |
| 01:03.18 | eflynn | !google |
| 01:03.19 | Catfish_Man | !learn ponies as hooray! |
| 01:03.19 | socinfo | "google" is not the cosmic cash machine people think it is. |
| 01:03.20 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 01:03.29 | eflynn | !ponies |
| 01:03.29 | socinfo | "ponies" is hooray! |
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| 01:03.45 | eflynn | ok, that was interesting... |
| 01:04.08 | qsx | !hooray! |
| 01:04.08 | socinfo | Error: "hooray!" is not a valid command. |
| 01:04.14 | qsx | !hooray |
| 01:04.15 | socinfo | Error: "hooray" is not a valid command. |
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| 01:09.36 | eflynn | !mentor |
| 01:09.36 | socinfo | Error: "mentor" is not a valid command. |
| 01:09.37 | eflynn | !mentors |
| 01:09.38 | socinfo | Error: "mentors" is not a valid command. |
| 01:09.43 | eflynn | !organizations |
| 01:09.43 | socinfo | Error: "organizations" is not a valid command. |
| 01:09.45 | eflynn | blah |
| 01:09.54 | qsx | :-) |
| 01:09.58 | eflynn | sorry for the flooding |
| 01:10.00 | antarus | !orgsbylang |
| 01:10.00 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 01:10.32 | eflynn | nice |
| 01:13.25 | p_l | shouldn't socinfo respond to queries on private messages too? |
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| 01:21.06 | grwi | !cookie |
| 01:21.06 | socinfo | Error: "cookie" is not a valid command. |
| 01:21.09 | grwi | !cry |
| 01:21.09 | socinfo | Error: "cry" is not a valid command. |
| 01:21.17 | grwi | !ln |
| 01:21.17 | socinfo | Error: "ln" is not a valid command. |
| 01:21.19 | Catfish_Man | stop with the bot abuse, folks |
| 01:21.31 | grwi | my first abuse : ( |
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| 01:22.14 | grwi | someone had taught the bot some funny things : ) |
| 01:22.23 | grwi | guess i have to dig it from the logs... |
| 01:22.23 | eflynn | !xyzzy |
| 01:22.24 | socinfo | Error: "xyzzy" is not a valid command. |
| 01:22.50 | thomastc | !learn tobe as not to be |
| 01:22.51 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 01:23.01 | thomastc | whoops :) |
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| 01:23.37 | antarus | .. |
| 01:24.00 | ojwb | leave the bot alone please |
| 01:24.06 | thomastc | didn't actually expect it to work, sorry |
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| 01:24.47 | eflynn | !tobe |
| 01:24.48 | socinfo | "tobe" is not to be |
| 01:24.56 | ojwb | socinfo: forget tobe |
| 01:24.56 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 01:25.08 | ojwb | it's a resource, not a toy |
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| 01:25.44 | eflynn | private messages don't seem to work |
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| 01:26.32 | eflynn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:27.52 | eflynn | any gcc hackers? |
| 01:28.16 | codestasher | hi all, installation of openswan will result in changes in TCP/IP stack will these changes support ipv4 connections |
| 01:28.46 | eflynn | codestasher, ? |
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| 01:28.59 | codestasher | what?? |
| 01:29.15 | Catfish_Man | codestasher: um, is this relevant to google summer of code? |
| 01:29.24 | codestasher | yes it is |
| 01:29.36 | ojwb | eflynn: the GCC irc channel is likely to reach them more effectively |
| 01:29.44 | Catfish_Man | I think you'll need to elaborate then. Everyone's confused what you're talking about |
| 01:29.45 | eflynn | ojwb, i figured, thanks |
| 01:30.01 | ojwb | codestasher: similary, the openswan lists or channel is a better place to ask such questions |
| 01:30.36 | ojwb | contrary to apparently widely held opinion, #gsoc isn't the help desk for the internet |
| 01:30.58 | codestasher | yes ojwb i asked dere also |
| 01:31.11 | codestasher | but no one is replying |
| 01:31.13 | codestasher | :( |
| 01:31.24 | ojwb | well, have patience |
| 01:31.57 | codestasher | its more than 20 hours since i have asked this first time on openswan channel |
| 01:32.08 | Catfish_Man | sounds like they're pretty bad about answering questions |
| 01:32.11 | allisterb_ | codestasher, isn't openswan a xelerance project? |
| 01:32.17 | codestasher | yes it is |
| 01:33.00 | allisterb_ | humm I think hypa7ia is admin for the org but he seems to be away |
| 01:33.13 | codestasher | yes i also think so |
| 01:33.23 | codestasher | he guided me over it by answering all the queries |
| 01:33.36 | codestasher | but for a long time he is also not responding |
| 01:34.21 | allisterb_ | k well check the site and ML and whatnot should have solutions there. You got to find your own way in open-source most of the time |
| 01:34.39 | arma | allisterb_: she. hypatia is a she. |
| 01:34.48 | codestasher | ok,thnx all |
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| 01:35.07 | allisterb_ | blushes |
| 01:35.10 | ojwb | some people take weekends off |
| 01:36.09 | MatthewWilkes | "Browsing tag 'Jade Goodie' page 1 of 104 |
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| 01:38.07 | eflynn | weekends? what are those? |
| 01:38.10 | eflynn | :P |
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| 01:38.53 | ojwb | they're when you don't get an answer for 20 hours on irc |
| 01:40.37 | eflynn | j/k |
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| 01:49.30 | d3vlabs | !vote google cms for gsoc |
| 01:49.30 | socinfo | Error: "vote" is not a valid command. |
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| 01:52.45 | xorAxAx | hi NicDumZ |
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| 01:52.58 | NicDumZ | hey :) |
| 01:54.26 | xorAxAx | so you are related to wikimedia? :) |
| 01:54.57 | d3vlabs | is there a google cms in development |
| 01:55.05 | d3vlabs | that would be even cooler then google os imo |
| 01:55.49 | NicDumZ | ah xorAxAx, I'm quite involved in wikimedia projects yes |
| 01:56.04 | NicDumZ | but I don't have any official role in there |
| 01:56.11 | NicDumZ | just a contributor, and a dev =) |
| 01:57.04 | xorAxAx | ok :) |
| 01:57.19 | NicDumZ | a contributor to wikipedia / others, dev with pywikipedia, a python framework to edit mediawiki wikis |
| 01:57.32 | NicDumZ | did a GSoC for mediawiki last year.. |
| 01:58.07 | NicDumZ | looking to work with mediawiki perhaps ? |
| 01:58.38 | xorAxAx | as a developer? hmm, i am quite busy these days |
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| 01:59.29 | NicDumZ | just curious to know why you would poke me ;) |
| 01:59.39 | xorAxAx | i saw your cloak |
| 01:59.49 | xorAxAx | and was curious |
| 02:00.01 | NicDumZ | okay :p |
| 02:00.07 | xorAxAx | how did i poke you, btw? |
| 02:00.24 | xorAxAx | (yes, sounds very schiezophrenic, but ill people exist :)) |
| 02:00.26 | NicDumZ | you highlighted me :) |
| 02:00.39 | xorAxAx | can you paste the line? |
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| 02:01.02 | Catfish_Man | "hi NicDumZ" |
| 02:01.07 | NicDumZ | :) |
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| 02:01.30 | xorAxAx | hi Catfish_Man |
| 02:01.39 | Catfish_Man | hi xorAxAx |
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| 02:01.56 | NicDumZ | by the way any contributor to the wikimedia projects (wikipedia, commons, wikibooks, etc..) can get a wikimedia cloak :) |
| 02:01.57 | xorAxAx | heavy storms here |
| 02:02.11 | NicDumZ | it's not really meaningful |
| 02:02.31 | xorAxAx | yeah, but it gives a hint or tag what its about |
| 02:02.36 | NicDumZ | sure! |
| 02:03.58 | hypa7ia | hey codestasher |
| 02:04.02 | hypa7ia | i'm 21:28 < codestasher> hi all, installation of openswan will result in changes in TCP/IP stack will these changes support ipv4 |
| 02:04.06 | hypa7ia | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:04.14 | hypa7ia | oops, sorry bout the pastebomb |
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| 02:06.05 | codestasher | hey hypa7ia |
| 02:07.09 | codestasher | mcr told me that KLIPS will support |
| 02:07.14 | codestasher | ipv4 |
| 02:07.28 | codestasher | i went through installation guide |
| 02:07.29 | hypa7ia | cool :) |
| 02:07.36 | codestasher | i am on kernel 2.6.x |
| 02:07.38 | ojwb | NicDumZ: so if I vandalise the wikipedia chickens page, I get a cloak? |
| 02:07.54 | hypa7ia | good stuff |
| 02:07.55 | NicDumZ | ojwb, try ;) |
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| 02:08.57 | NicDumZ | you may have to add wrong material to lot of pages before a cloak magically appears though :( |
| 02:08.57 | ojwb | mostly restricts himself to correcting its to it's and vice versa |
| 02:09.11 | NicDumZ | you should probably write a spam bot for this |
| 02:09.13 | NicDumZ | :p |
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| 02:25.59 | bluegene | hi |
| 02:26.15 | Catfish_Man | hi bluegene |
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| 03:16.06 | kumarabhi | so today is the last day for communicating with mentor orgs? |
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| 03:16.30 | antarus | kumarabhi: no |
| 03:16.46 | antarus | kumarabhi: you can communicate whenever you liek for as long as you like |
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| 03:18.04 | z4chh | !timeline |
| 03:18.05 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 03:25.27 | hypa7ia | and please do keep communicating with us! |
| 03:25.28 | hypa7ia | :) |
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| 03:53.28 | omniter | anyone here? =) |
| 03:53.43 | jasebo | I am :-D |
| 03:53.47 | omniter | hoorah |
| 03:54.01 | jasebo | thanks to being in the alternate time-zone universe |
| 03:56.55 | z4chh | i has me a question! ;o |
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| 03:57.45 | z4chh | if a mentor org ask for a short biography...what would they be looking for? do they care about your awards, honors, extracurics, that stuff? |
| 03:58.07 | jasebo | z4chh: I think it will depend on the mentor |
| 03:58.13 | z4chh | silly stuff like that, that is supposed to matter only to get into college hah |
| 03:58.27 | antarus | heh |
| 03:58.33 | z4chh | here is the prompt i got |
| 03:58.35 | z4chh | Short Biography (academic work, open source background and other activities that you like to do) |
| 03:58.39 | jasebo | but it probably wouldn't hurt |
| 03:58.44 | antarus | generally you should talk about stuff you like to do |
| 03:58.46 | z4chh | im wondering about the academic work |
| 03:58.54 | z4chh | and other activities hah |
| 03:58.58 | antarus | it avoids people whose life involves "sitting in mothers basement and never going outside" |
| 03:59.00 | jasebo | how relevant is it to your capacity to do the project? That's what you need to decide |
| 03:59.02 | z4chh | the open source background is self-explainatory |
| 03:59.08 | cjhopman | for everything you write, ask yourself, "how does this show them that they should choose me?" |
| 03:59.11 | antarus | because they tend to be scary folks that no one wants to work with ;p |
| 03:59.25 | z4chh | antarus, rofl |
| 03:59.32 | z4chh | antarus, but they could be a really good coder! |
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| 03:59.38 | antarus | z4chh: doesn't matter |
| 03:59.57 | antarus | communication is far more important than being a good coder |
| 04:00.02 | antarus | most coders are actually good enough |
| 04:00.10 | cjhopman | no |
| 04:00.12 | cjhopman | way |
| 04:00.17 | z4chh | mother's basement boy could also be a good irc'er ;p |
| 04:00.27 | omniter | z4chh, why don't you submit your best shot, and if they want something more/less, they'll tell ya. =) |
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| 04:01.55 | z4chh | do they care if you are an eagle scout? |
| 04:02.12 | antarus | eagle scout is pretty good |
| 04:02.14 | z4chh | im still in high school, i don't know what to bloody put >.< |
| 04:02.17 | antarus | shows hard work in many cases ;p |
| 04:02.33 | antarus | eagle projects tend to take a number of hours |
| 04:02.52 | z4chh | i don't want to bust out into the...oh im such a good little high school student..and them be like, we don't give a shit |
| 04:03.02 | antarus | heh |
| 04:03.09 | omniter | lol |
| 04:03.17 | jasebo | I wouldn't worry too much about that z4chh |
| 04:03.30 | jasebo | better to provide more info about how great you are, than to be all cool and laid back and miss out |
| 04:03.47 | jasebo | unless they say "How can he possibly finish the project when he has eagle scouts every week?" |
| 04:03.47 | Ori_B | z4chh: just treat the entire application as a short essay on why you're a good choice, IMO |
| 04:04.02 | antarus | it turns out that people who do useful things with their time tend to be somewhat more attractive than the guy who played video games all day in high school |
| 04:04.05 | z4chh | so don't write "just fucking accept me already, kthnx, bye bye, lol" |
| 04:04.07 | omniter | i'm allowed to include a link to a youtube video showing my work or something, right? |
| 04:04.10 | antarus | (fyi: the latter guy was me ;P) |
| 04:04.23 | Ori_B | the bit you're asking about, if someone asked "Why are you an awesome person?", what would you say? |
| 04:05.05 | antarus | Ori_B: I'm brutally honest and i think that is awesome ;) |
| 04:06.33 | Ori_B | sighs. I wish that this class would TEACH us about lock in amplifiers before handing out an assignment about them. |
| 04:07.05 | z4chh | i think im going to go with the programming history and touch on the good little high school student |
| 04:07.08 | zooko | lock in amplifiers? Like undocumented data formats and social networking metadata? |
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| 04:07.51 | Ori_B | zooko: like the phase sensitive detector/amplifier |
| 04:07.59 | zooko | Oh., |
| 04:08.19 | Ori_B | this thing --> http://www.thinksrs.com/downloads/PDFs/ApplicationNotes/AboutLIAs.pdf |
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| 04:15.47 | lim123 | hello everyone |
| 04:15.52 | Ori_B | hi |
| 04:16.14 | lim123 | I have a question. |
| 04:16.31 | Ori_B | I'm happy for you. |
| 04:16.44 | Ori_B | questions are always good to have. |
| 04:16.51 | lim123 | If I get accepted, how do I ask for CPT documents from google? When? |
| 04:16.59 | lim123 | I have an F-1 visa |
| 04:17.41 | Ori_B | That is a very good quesiton. Unfortunately, I have no answer. |
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| 04:18.29 | Gofishus | do you have to have open source development experience |
| 04:18.38 | Gofishus | I have just experience working on university projects |
| 04:18.38 | lim123 | I don't think so |
| 04:19.08 | lim123 | I'm guessing the whole program's objective is |
| 04:19.17 | lim123 | to encourage students to do open source projects |
| 04:19.28 | Ori_B | Gofishus: you definitely don't need experience. |
| 04:19.38 | Ori_B | it helps, but all you really need is a good application :) |
| 04:19.58 | lim123 | Gofishus: More contact with the devs always help :) |
| 04:20.15 | Gofishus | thanks I think its the idea that counts |
| 04:20.50 | Ori_B | lim123: you may want to email lh |
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| 04:35.07 | z4chh | i almost have my marbles proposal ready! :D |
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| 04:38.34 | mmaruseacph2 | !next |
| 04:38.35 | socinfo | "next" is March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. |
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| 04:46.22 | fuzzybyte | can't wait till 19:00. im so excited, haff puff |
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| 04:48.50 | binodshukla | hello anyone thr to help an amatuer ? |
| 04:48.58 | binodshukla | i am new to GSOC ? |
| 04:49.13 | kumarabhi | binodshulka: ya i am |
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| 04:51.59 | binodshukla | u seems to be indian kumarabhi ? |
| 04:51.59 | binodshukla | r u ? |
| 04:51.59 | kumarabhi | ya |
| 04:52.27 | binodshukla | u can help me about gsoc ? |
| 04:54.00 | binodshukla | hello sir kumarabhi ? |
| 04:54.06 | binodshukla | r u thr ? |
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| 04:55.47 | binodshukla | anyone here to help ? |
| 04:55.55 | binodshukla | :) |
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| 04:57.04 | kumarabhi | binodshulka:ya i am , u tell |
| 04:57.19 | binodshukla | 4 students |
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| 04:57.50 | binodshukla | we have to join tonight at 12:30 am |
| 04:57.52 | binodshukla | am i right ? |
| 04:59.23 | kumarabhi | binodshulka:what do u mean by 4 students |
| 04:59.32 | kumarabhi | ? |
| 04:59.37 | binodshukla | means 4 us students |
| 04:59.43 | binodshukla | for |
| 04:59.50 | binodshukla | 4=for ? |
| 05:00.09 | kumarabhi | binod:r u in us> |
| 05:00.14 | kumarabhi | ? |
| 05:00.19 | binodshukla | i want to join as a student |
| 05:00.25 | lim123 | binodshukla: application deadline is April 3, no need to hurry |
| 05:00.45 | kumarabhi | binod:r u in US? |
| 05:01.06 | binodshukla | no , in india |
| 05:01.34 | binodshukla | needed some of ur useful tips |
| 05:01.37 | ojwb | though you really want to have discussed your proposal with the org before the deadline |
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| 05:01.39 | binodshukla | can u ? |
| 05:01.49 | kumarabhi | binod:then why do u want to join at 12:30 am |
| 05:01.53 | ojwb | either by submitting it earlier and iterating, or outside of the webapp |
| 05:02.02 | kumarabhi | binod:ya tell me, dont ask to ask, simply ask |
| 05:02.20 | lim123 | ojwb: of course :) |
| 05:02.26 | binodshukla | i want to particpate for wordpress ? |
| 05:02.35 | kumarabhi | ojwb:cant we discuss proposal after deadline |
| 05:02.38 | binodshukla | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.54 | kumarabhi | ? |
| 05:02.54 | kumarabhi | ojwb:? |
| 05:03.58 | ojwb | kumarabhi: there's potential to, but you want you application to be one of the better looking ones at the submission deadline |
| 05:04.31 | ojwb | if they have 20 apps and 4 mentors, and yours is in the lower half, they may just discard it at that point |
| 05:05.07 | lim123 | kumarabhi: besides, talking with the developers is useful for gathering more material for your proposal |
| 05:05.32 | ojwb | yes - it's not just the text on the screen which you'll be considered on |
| 05:05.49 | lim123 | they'll tell you stuff they would like to have, but doesn't post in the ideas page |
| 05:05.57 | lim123 | this can make your proposal stand out |
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| 05:06.13 | ojwb | if I'm mentoring a student and have to spend 3 months talking to them every few days, I'll want someone who's likely to listen and take in what I say so I don't have to repeat the same things over and over |
| 05:06.17 | caden_ | how can you initiate contact with them at this late date without being annoying |
| 05:06.30 | ojwb | so I'll look out for positive and negative signs of such things |
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| 05:06.40 | scorche | caden_: easy...you just do it |
| 05:06.48 | ecin_ | !orgs |
| 05:06.49 | socinfo | "orgs" is http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 05:06.53 | caden_ | i didn't realize how much emphasis there was on talking to mentors before the mentor list was published |
| 05:06.59 | z4chh | should i exclude smilies from my proposal? |
| 05:07.06 | z4chh | :D |
| 05:07.07 | caden_ | z4chh: hahah |
| 05:07.12 | ecin_ | z4chh: only if you're a grouch. |
| 05:07.20 | ojwb | caden_: if you avoid asking questions you can find the answers to in documentation, etc, then you shouldn't seem annoying |
| 05:07.32 | z4chh | ecin_, well im not! and it is just so natural to add a smiley after a cute little commment! |
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| 05:07.51 | caden_ | @scorche: if they seem to be ignoring you, how persistent should you be, or should you look for another group to propose to |
| 05:07.51 | ojwb | personally, I'm not sure I'd pick someone who put a smiley on every line |
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| 05:08.07 | z4chh | ojwb, ive got like 3 smiley |
| 05:08.19 | scorche | caden_: how do they seem to be ignoring you? |
| 05:08.23 | caden_ | i would limit myself to 1 smiley |
| 05:08.28 | ojwb | z4chh: that's probably ok... |
| 05:08.50 | z4chh | ive just got :D :) :D |
| 05:09.00 | ojwb | rolls his eyes |
| 05:09.01 | caden_ | @scorche: they're not yet, i'm just being paranoid. with a 1 week window if they don't get back to you right away you run out of time quickly |
| 05:09.03 | z4chh | nothing like :'( :( :\ |
| 05:09.11 | z4chh | im not bloody crying >.< |
| 05:09.33 | caden_ | if it's for a graphics project you should add a flip-book smiley animation :D |
| 05:09.34 | scorche | caden_: quit being paranoid and just do it ;) |
| 05:09.37 | ojwb | caden_: it's a week to the submission deadline, not a week until you need to have finished dealing with org feedback |
| 05:09.43 | thebolt | hi all |
| 05:09.48 | ojwb | but yes, it can be a day turnaround on feedback |
| 05:09.49 | z4chh | Sorry this proposal isn't very good!!!! Please accept me!!! :( |
| 05:09.51 | z4chh | >.< |
| 05:09.51 | caden_ | ahh that's a bit reassuring ojwb |
| 05:10.10 | scorche | z4chh: keep in mind that maturity in an application is nice to see...i can see including maybe one or 2, but it depends.. |
| 05:10.19 | ojwb | there's 12 days after submission, which can fly by though |
| 05:10.30 | caden_ | also i'd recommend nixing the multiple exclamation points |
| 05:10.34 | z4chh | scorche, i better take out my lol's :D |
| 05:10.36 | antarus | applications that have lots of !!!! are not good ;p |
| 05:10.45 | scorche | ugh...."lol"... |
| 05:10.55 | caden_ | for the proposal--- but they would be more acceptable for email questions |
| 05:11.00 | z4chh | i don't have very much experience in this language, but ill try anways. lol! |
| 05:11.03 | ojwb | would recommend that the application not be as you might type on IRC or in an SMS |
| 05:11.04 | caden_ | well, it's better than lulz |
| 05:11.20 | caden_ | not much though |
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| 05:11.52 | caden_ | definitely don't run your proposal through a lolcat-speak filter |
| 05:11.58 | thebolt | well, think about it as if you were applying for a job or an important scholarship.. (cause thats what it is pretty much) |
| 05:12.18 | ojwb | thebolt: yes, that's a good way to think about it |
| 05:12.26 | z4chh | alright i got :) and :D |
| 05:12.27 | lim123 | it's for all purposes equal to an internship |
| 05:12.29 | z4chh | i think that is fine |
| 05:12.37 | z4chh | no way in hell i can get rid of those |
| 05:12.44 | z4chh | it is just to naturual to have it there |
| 05:13.33 | thebolt | its never natural to have smileys in a serios piece of text |
| 05:13.50 | z4chh | im thinking of submitting one silly application for fun |
| 05:14.03 | z4chh | gsoc has to be gsof to :D |
| 05:14.35 | jasebo | z4chh: you should make at least one application in pirate-speak |
| 05:14.53 | z4chh | hahaha |
| 05:15.13 | z4chh | i was thinking stupid kiddy nub |
| 05:15.38 | antarus | z4chh: I wuold prefer not |
| 05:15.50 | antarus | org admins and mentors have to slog through thousands of apps |
| 05:15.54 | jasebo | oh.. forgot to say, make sure that application is for someone elses org :-) |
| 05:15.55 | antarus | joke apps seriously don't help |
| 05:16.04 | z4chh | aww :P |
| 05:16.04 | ojwb | thebolt: apart from Unicode emoticon documentation... |
| 05:16.18 | z4chh | you can have a laugh, then throw it out hah |
| 05:16.39 | thebolt | ojwb: haha, true |
| 05:16.41 | ojwb | after adding you to the top secret gsoc blacklist |
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| 05:17.24 | caden_ | yes you can't get away with much given the resources of the groups involved in GSoC! they will track you down! |
| 05:17.52 | caden_ | you will be labelled "script kiddie" forever |
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| 05:32.56 | z4chh | w00t finished my marbles gsoc proposal rough draft! :D |
| 05:34.25 | PulpFictionIN | how many of u guys will be adding a link to an external PDF in the basic ASCII text application? |
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| 05:35.42 | scorche | external PDFs make the applications more of a pain...only do it if you really have a good reason to.. |
| 05:35.46 | z4chh | what does this pdf file contain? |
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| 05:36.14 | PulpFictionIN | well. the idea. i needed some space to explain it. |
| 05:36.24 | PulpFictionIN | and i dont think writing equations in a text file cuts it |
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| 05:36.44 | PulpFictionIN | so is it ok if i do that?. i mean. i will be writing a lot of things in the text also. but still! |
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| 05:37.23 | z4chh | does turning in a proposal early have any bearing whatsoever on getting it accepted? or is it completely irrelevent? |
| 05:37.38 | scorche | i guess if you really feel it is necessary...just be sure to have an outline and basic description in the text of the app as well |
| 05:37.44 | Gofishus | early proposals -> early modifications -> better proposal -> better chance of acceptance |
| 05:37.55 | z4chh | o_O |
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| 05:38.03 | z4chh | early modifications? |
| 05:38.05 | PulpFictionIN | seconds Gofishus, exactly. |
| 05:38.21 | lim123 | z4chh: well, that way the devs can take a look at it and ask you for more info. |
| 05:38.28 | z4chh | ahh! |
| 05:38.45 | ojwb | z4chh: it's very unlikely that the initial application will be "it" |
| 05:38.56 | ojwb | unless you got a lot of feedback first |
| 05:39.05 | scorche | but as far as 2 awesome apps submitted within a few days of each other, i doubt that any org would look at the date of submission as the crucial factor |
| 05:39.08 | ojwb | even then, there are likely to be comments, questions, etc |
| 05:39.09 | Gofishus | can we include external links to say...a youtube vid of what you intend to do? |
| 05:39.25 | scorche | Gofishus: ugh... |
| 05:39.42 | z4chh | so if i turn my application in tommorrow, the org can see it tomorrow and say "hey kid, tell me more about this" |
| 05:39.43 | z4chh | ? |
| 05:39.47 | ojwb | Gofishus: you can include links to anything, but if I'm reviewing apps and there's lots of external content without a good reason, it'll irritate me |
| 05:39.55 | scorche | again...you *can*, but it makes the applications much more of a pain for us....really dont do it unless it is absolutely necessary |
| 05:40.07 | ojwb | z4chh: or you could post a copy to their mailing list today |
| 05:40.26 | scorche | z4chh: the cool kids have already been showing us preliminary applications ;) |
| 05:40.41 | z4chh | im behind then :P |
| 05:40.42 | scorche | but really...ask your org to work with you on it before submitting |
| 05:40.46 | z4chh | well not really :\ |
| 05:40.51 | scorche | not really =) |
| 05:40.54 | z4chh | im been speaking to my mentor org all week |
| 05:40.57 | omniter | my org specifically asked for samples of my work. i obviously can't include those in my application directly, so i guess i HAVE to link something. |
| 05:40.59 | scorche | just initiate communication now |
| 05:41.32 | z4chh | im already on the developers list for the application i want to develop >.< ..that is the pull i got with the mentor hah |
| 05:41.59 | ojwb | you can't just subscribe? |
| 05:42.09 | ojwb | not the most open project |
| 05:42.18 | z4chh | you can |
| 05:42.24 | z4chh | but you got to be accepted by the project admin |
| 05:42.36 | ojwb | how odd |
| 05:42.40 | z4chh | and the project admin is the mentor ive been talking to for awhile now |
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| 05:44.48 | z4chh | ojwb, well anyone can contribute of course..but the project admin only adds users to the project developers who have already contributed and will contribute further |
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| 05:47.08 | cjhopman | ojwb: i think he's saying he's on the list of developers |
| 05:47.26 | z4chh | indeed |
| 05:47.50 | ojwb | not a mailing list? |
| 05:48.16 | z4chh | there is a mailing list yes |
| 05:48.33 | ojwb | oh, you mean the "project members" on SF or google code |
| 05:49.05 | z4chh | yeah something like that |
| 05:50.15 | mmaruseacph2 | i have a question: if one mentor says that he is looking for a project for his open source course, can it be any project I want? |
| 05:50.48 | mmaruseacph2 | I've tried reaching him via email but he didn't respond until now (yet, there are not 24 hours since sending him the mail) |
| 05:51.23 | kblin | mmaruseacph2: you really need to talk to the mentor on that. patience |
| 05:53.03 | mmaruseacph2 | ok, I'll wait a litle more |
| 05:53.19 | mmaruseacph2 | the thing is that in this week I will have to lay out my summer projects |
| 05:53.25 | mmaruseacph2 | and it all depends on gsoc status |
| 05:53.39 | ojwb | you won't know that until april 20th though |
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| 05:55.01 | kumarabhi | kblin:can we still talk to our mentors even if this deadline is over? |
| 05:56.02 | mib_mgnfk5 | yes sure u can |
| 05:57.34 | Landon | feels a little dirty about this programming assignment |
| 05:57.42 | Landon | it seems the professor posted the exact code for the whole thing |
| 05:57.48 | Landon | minus some very minor tweaks |
| 05:57.49 | Landon | o.O |
| 05:59.25 | kumarabhi | mib |
| 06:00.13 | kumarabhi | mib_mgnfk5: ok , is it not very late to now talk to the potential mentors? i am very worried? |
| 06:00.28 | LawnGnome | Landon: I had the same thing once in a C++ class; too many people complained that it was "too hard", so about a week before the assignment was due the lecturer posted a 90% complete version of the solution. Bugged the hell out of me -- I'm not sure what people ended up actually learning from it, beyond "complaining loudly enough makes other people do things for you". |
| 06:00.53 | Landon | heh |
| 06:00.56 | Landon | I'm rolling with it though |
| 06:01.03 | Landon | no one should assign work over spring break :) |
| 06:01.27 | PulpFictionIN | C++ is not that hard. i personally think this is something that people want to believe, actually before trying it. |
| 06:01.40 | PulpFictionIN | in my class, everyone was like C++ is soo difficult and stuff |
| 06:01.48 | Landon | everyone says that about everything though |
| 06:01.49 | Landon | :P |
| 06:01.50 | PulpFictionIN | one day i told them to think OVER this and actually learn the language. |
| 06:02.01 | omniter | C++ was my first language. i was in the 7th grade. seriously just learn it. |
| 06:02.06 | LawnGnome | PulpFictionIN: That was part of the problem in that class. Because C and C++ were "second year" things, everyone got this big complex about them when they were doing stuff in Java that was no easier anyway. Hell, give me C++ over coding for Swing any day. |
| 06:02.32 | omniter | i think it's actually more useful to learn something like C++ first, then move on to something like python. not the other way around. |
| 06:02.50 | PulpFictionIN | see. the thing is, if some senior who doesnt know the langauge meets u and tells u - oh C++ is so difficult. pointers and stuff. when u learn the language, u will have that notion in the mind that it is difficult. |
| 06:02.58 | Gofishus | I think so too. I think starting with Assembly first would be best ;) |
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| 06:03.34 | Gofishus | institutions these days usually begin with the higher level first then move down. it used to be the other way around |
| 06:03.57 | Landon | you mean back when there were no high level languages? ;) |
| 06:04.11 | PulpFictionIN | like every says, assembly is difficult, hard to debug and stuff. randall hyde's AoASM beats the hell out of everything negative that is attached with assembly. seriously it is a must read, his introduction to why ASM is better. |
| 06:04.19 | Landon | really, assembly isn't taught here outside of the computer engineering program |
| 06:04.20 | LawnGnome | I'd start people with Python but move them to C (on a *nix; don't care which one) _very_ quickly (like still within the first semester quickly). Unfortunately, Microsoft and Sun grease enough palms at my university to keep the status quo, even over the objections of most of the faculty. |
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| 06:04.30 | omniter | what i find really sad is that they're dumbing down university courses because people are coming out of high school having learned less... |
| 06:05.08 | Gofishus | Heck the only thing I learned in high school was Turing, what a use(less) language |
| 06:05.19 | omniter | Gofishus, you in canada? |
| 06:05.22 | Gofishus | yes |
| 06:05.24 | LawnGnome | Landon: Yeah, my uni really doesn't go to assembly at all nowadays beyond some of the embedded units, which are optional for most streams. Frustrating. I did an x86 unit at my first uni, and it was hard as hell for a first year, but by $DEITY I learned things in it. |
| 06:05.26 | omniter | yeah, talk about useless |
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| 06:07.07 | Landon | ok well that was an easy project :P now for other homework after a short nap from 1 to6 am |
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| 06:17.12 | omniter | is _anybody_ else here applying for Ogre? |
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| 06:17.46 | thebolt | i've thought about it, not sure yet |
| 06:17.49 | omniter | they had lots of students apply last year. but this year, i don't see anybody. =\ |
| 06:18.20 | Gofishus | I bet lots of people will apply for Chromium =) |
| 06:19.35 | omniter | ? |
| 06:19.39 | omniter | looks |
| 06:19.54 | omniter | ahhhh |
| 06:19.58 | omniter | should have guessed |
| 06:22.57 | harlan | So what are the accepted organizations called, "sponsoring organizations" or ??? |
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| 06:24.22 | omniter | mentoring organizations, i believe |
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| 06:25.34 | harlan | OK, I was about to use "participating organization" |
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| 06:54.27 | hwked | !orgs |
| 06:54.27 | socinfo | "orgs" is http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 06:54.37 | socinfo | Error: "wordpress" is not a valid command. |
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| 07:00.44 | hiii | !next |
| 07:00.44 | socinfo | "next" is March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. |
| 07:02.21 | harlan | How should an org decide how many slots to ask for? |
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| 07:12.05 | thebolt | kblin: if you're still/yet alive.. do you in WF have any application template or anything special you want an application to contain? |
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| 07:14.25 | kblin | thebolt: yeah, we just don't have it on an extra page, hang on |
| 07:14.52 | ojwb | harlan: min(number of good applications, number of mentors prepared to mentor an application you received) |
| 07:14.57 | ojwb | or at least start from there |
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| 07:15.41 | arvind__ | hi, has ubuntu backed out from gsoc ? as i cant see it on the list |
| 07:15.49 | ojwb | arvind__: yes |
| 07:16.11 | arvind__ | ojwb, oh thats sad, thanks btw :) |
| 07:16.36 | ozancaglayan | ojwb: what's the reason? |
| 07:16.39 | scorche | ask them...not us... |
| 07:16.39 | ojwb | good news for limesurvey, who got their slot |
| 07:16.43 | ojwb | has no idea |
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| 07:17.43 | harlan | ojwb: thanks - I took an initial guess, and I hope we can adjust if needed based on student applications. |
| 07:18.02 | ojwb | harlan: I don't think you're expected to fill it in yet |
| 07:18.09 | harlan | even better then. |
| 07:18.12 | harlan | thx... |
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| 07:19.23 | kblin | thebolt: http://wiki.worldforge.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code/Application_Template |
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| 07:20.39 | thebolt | kblin: thanks.. as said on your wiki i'll submit my application to your ml for discussion first (probably in a day or so..) |
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| 07:21.29 | kblin | thebolt: that'd be nice |
| 07:21.32 | mohan13 | hello evryone |
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| 07:31.58 | mohan13 | is there anyone here for minix gsoc? |
| 07:33.09 | scorche | !anyone |
| 07:33.10 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
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| 07:34.46 | arulalan | hi |
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| 07:36.32 | arulalan | i planned to do one project in Ruby On Rails, |
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| 07:39.28 | vinodsral | hi. can any one help me to get me to my mentor |
| 07:39.58 | vinodsral | i'm sry i mean mentor of some project |
| 07:40.19 | LaurieJ | vinodsral: any project, or a specific project or kind of project? |
| 07:40.35 | vinodsral | specified project. |
| 07:41.03 | vinodsral | project of apache software foundation |
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| 07:42.52 | LaurieJ | vinodsral: ah, sorry, I can't help with ASF. Good luck! |
| 07:43.14 | vinodsral | no problem. thank u. |
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| 07:44.09 | vinodsral | is there anyone from ASF? |
| 07:44.49 | ojwb | vinodsral: see the apache contact details in their org info |
| 07:44.51 | ojwb | !orgs |
| 07:44.53 | socinfo | "orgs" is http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 07:45.48 | vinodsral | thank u, socinfo |
| 07:47.04 | ojwb | vinodsral: it's a bot! |
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| 08:07.41 | shirish_ | hi every one ,i am a first timer and i ve been going thru the selected organizations can i get list of organizations who are willing to accept beginners and skill levels of c/c++ |
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| 08:09.14 | ahuillet | shirish_ : hi - http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/ |
| 08:09.21 | ahuillet | this can help |
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| 08:50.19 | arulalan | hi to all, i registered my name in site wide user profile. but i can not request or join as student, any one can help me?please |
| 08:50.50 | thebolt | the student application period has not begun yet |
| 08:51.23 | ojwb | !next |
| 08:51.24 | socinfo | "next" is March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. |
| 08:51.35 | ojwb | currently it's 1:51am PDT |
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| 08:52.27 | arulalan | thanks a lot |
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| 09:04.37 | mca_ | hi ,any body tell me when the registration time ? |
| 09:04.41 | arulalan | hi to all, this is my first time in irc , how to approach mentors in irc, i am interested to do project in ruby on rails, please guide me |
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| 09:05.48 | _allen_ | arulalan: go to the ruby on rails website for more info |
| 09:06.56 | thiago | mca_: what does the timeline say? |
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| 09:08.44 | mca_ | thiago: sorry , I can't find India time |
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| 09:09.03 | thiago | did you find GMT time? |
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| 09:09.37 | mca_ | thiago: yes,it is GMT+5.30 |
| 09:09.49 | thiago | I meant: did you find the timeline giving times in GMT? |
| 09:10.23 | arulalan | _allen_: Thanks, how to approach mentors & are u mentor? |
| 09:10.46 | _allen_ | arulalan: I am not a mentor. |
| 09:10.56 | thiago | join their IRC channel |
| 09:11.04 | thiago | start behaving as a member of the community |
| 09:11.27 | mca_ | thiago:no |
| 09:11.28 | _allen_ | arulalan: find who is the mentor, then you can talk with him/her in IRC or send email |
| 09:11.35 | thiago | !timeline |
| 09:11.35 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 09:11.39 | thiago | how about now? |
| 09:12.09 | arulalan | _allen_:nice, can you help me, how to find mentors for rails |
| 09:12.33 | ojwb | arulalan: you've already been told that |
| 09:13.08 | _allen_ | arulalan: |
| 09:13.11 | _allen_ | arulalan: http://socghop.appspot.com/org/show/google/gsoc2009/rails |
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| 09:14.38 | arulalan | _allen_:Thanks |
| 09:14.54 | arulalan | ojwb:Thanks |
| 09:14.55 | _allen_ | arulalan: :) |
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| 09:37.12 | arulalan | _allen_: hi, i have one more doubt. After registration opened for students, only i can submit my project document to rails site? and then only i have to approach mentors, isn't it? |
| 09:37.41 | ojwb | arulalan: you can start to talk to the org at any point |
| 09:38.01 | ojwb | some students have since before orgs even applied |
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| 09:39.50 | arulalan | ojwb: thanks |
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| 09:44.42 | Tinned_Tuna | Hi, I'm a university student in the UK. I have a project that I've been working on for about a week, and my supervisors do not know about it yet. If I brought it to their attention and they agreed to mentor me or get someone in the department to mentor me, Do you think I would be eligible for Google's Summer of Code? |
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| 09:45.46 | susscorfa | what time frame can i expect mentors to react if you send them an e-mail for more info? |
| 09:46.09 | scorche | !when |
| 09:46.09 | socinfo | "when" is later |
| 09:46.24 | scorche | in other words, it can vary... |
| 09:46.30 | omniter | susscorfa, that would depend on the mentor. why are you asking here? they're people, they have lives. jobs to do. they'll reply when it's convenient for them. |
| 09:49.41 | susscorfa | i was jsut wondering if there were general guidelines or so since i would like to communicate a bit with him and the dead line is quite soon. |
| 09:49.49 | ojwb | there are no guidelines |
| 09:49.56 | ojwb | but you should allow plenty of time |
| 09:50.04 | scorche | !timeline |
| 09:50.04 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 09:50.51 | scorche | susscorfa: if by quite soon, you mean in a bit less than 2 weeks |
| 09:51.50 | kumarabhi | where will we upload our soc applications?i mean which site? |
| 09:52.03 | scorche | http://socghop.appspot.com |
| 09:52.10 | susscorfa | socinfo: i saw it as a long week i guess ill jsut be patient. i was quite exicted about starting working wiht it |
| 09:52.10 | socinfo | Error: "i" is not a valid command. |
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| 09:52.32 | scorche | !faq |
| 09:52.32 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 09:52.36 | scorche | kumarabhi: please read it ;) |
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| 10:13.54 | olesalscheider | I've just finished my alternative civilian service and want to study electrical engeneering now. The term starts in October and it would be great if I could participate in gsoc in the meantime. |
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| 10:14.02 | olesalscheider | the FAQ says: In order to participate in the program, you must be a student. Google defines a student as an individual enrolled in or accepted into an accredited institution including (but not necessarily limited to) colleges, universities, masters programs, PhD programs and undergraduate programs. |
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| 10:15.07 | kblin | olesalscheider: well, you're not accepted into an accredited educational institution yet, are you? |
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| 10:15.35 | olesalscheider | What does "accepted" mean in this context? I'm afraid I cannot matriculate before August |
| 10:16.23 | kblin | well, then I guess you're not a student yet |
| 10:16.40 | kblin | why don't you start in the summer semester? |
| 10:17.38 | olesalscheider | the problem is that you can't start with electrical engeneering in the summer semester in Aachen - otherwise I would do so |
| 10:17.51 | ojwb | my understanding was that if you had confirmation of a place in writing, that was OK |
| 10:18.33 | kblin | ojwb: they won't even accept applications for the winter semester before the summer semester starts |
| 10:18.52 | ojwb | who won't? |
| 10:19.06 | ojwb | or is there an implicit country context here |
| 10:19.10 | kblin | RTWH Aachen, Germany |
| 10:20.00 | spectie | you're in aachen olesalscheider ? |
| 10:20.07 | spectie | are you working with hermann ney ? |
| 10:20.08 | olesalscheider | yes |
| 10:20.11 | spectie | or will you be ? |
| 10:20.25 | olesalscheider | I don't know |
| 10:21.13 | kblin | olesalscheider: google is pretty relaxed about the acceptance criteria, but there has to be some proof of at least your intention to become a student over the course of the program |
| 10:21.47 | kblin | olesalscheider: and it seems you can't even apply before gsoc is almost over |
| 10:22.30 | kblin | olesalscheider: so I guess this is most likely "tough luck, try again next year" |
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| 10:22.51 | kblin | olesalscheider: but if you want to be certain, ask lh when she gets online |
| 10:23.03 | kblin | morning ArthurLiu |
| 10:23.11 | olesalscheider | thanks, I'll try |
| 10:23.14 | ArthurLiu | kblin, hi |
| 10:24.04 | kblin | ArthurLiu: you guys wouldn't happen to have any debian-armel projects for gsoc I could point people at? |
| 10:24.30 | ArthurLiu | I think we have a dev willing to mentor on multi-arch stuff |
| 10:24.48 | kblin | olesalscheider: of course you don't really need to wait for GSoC to get involved with opensource |
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| 10:24.55 | ArthurLiu | there are also the emdebian people, I'm sure they can find something |
| 10:25.13 | kblin | ArthurLiu: good to know, thanks :) |
| 10:25.57 | kblin | olesalscheider: in fact, chances are that most mentoring orgs that are accepted this year will be accepted next year as well |
| 10:26.02 | olesalscheider | kblin: I know and I will start to work on a project even if I can't apply for gsoc - but I would not mind to be accepted |
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| 10:26.18 | ruturaj | How to you propose in an application when you have least knowledge of the code internals? |
| 10:26.59 | ruturaj | If I apply to a company, and I have a strong coding background, but no knowledge of their internals, where do I begin? |
| 10:27.00 | kblin | olesalscheider: and if you start getting to know your mentoring orgs now, you have about a year head start compared to most other people next year ;) |
| 10:27.24 | aghisla | ruturaj: depends if code internals knowledge is necessary |
| 10:28.33 | ruturaj | for example a machine learning algo for an organisation, I might suggest a novel method, however I dont know where exactly It will fit into their code, and/or it would be compatible. |
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| 10:29.49 | ArthurLiu | kblin, there's a project to smoothly support the sheevaplug, a little funny ARM device : http://www.cyrius.com/journal/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug |
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| 10:37.57 | osgeo_wolf | hey aghisla :) are you going to work with us again this year? |
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| 10:40.10 | kblin | ArthurLiu: cute |
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| 10:41.27 | ArthurLiu | and run Samba on it :) |
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| 10:42.22 | ojwb | ruturaj: well, it's open source, so you can look at the existing code |
| 10:42.54 | ojwb | or you can talk to the org and ask for help |
| 10:43.26 | ojwb | you'll probably get a better reception if you've at least made a start on trying to look at the code yourself though |
| 10:44.15 | vinodsral | i'm trying to reach the mentor of some project of ASF, is there any one here from ASF? |
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| 10:44.42 | kblin | ArthurLiu: I'm currently looking for technical details on that platform |
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| 10:45.39 | ArthurLiu | http://www.marvell.com/products/embedded_processors/developer/kirkwood/sheevaplug.jsp or do you mean armel ? |
| 10:46.54 | kblin | ArthurLiu: the page fails to list the basic system parameters |
| 10:47.24 | ArthurLiu | http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-sheevaplugdetails.aspx#component |
| 10:47.48 | aghisla | hi osgeo_wolf! don't know yet, I was very interested in a R project |
| 10:47.48 | ojwb | vinodsral: you're more likely to find ASF people in the ASF mailing lists and IRC channels |
| 10:47.50 | kblin | yeah, just found it |
| 10:47.54 | kblin | spiffy |
| 10:48.04 | ojwb | vinodsral: which should be listed in their org profile |
| 10:48.14 | kblin | if I didn't already have a beagle board, I'd get one of those... |
| 10:48.35 | kblin | heck, if I had some money to spend on toys, I'd get one anyway :) |
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| 10:54.36 | Erant | kblin: Looks sweet. http://hackaday.com/2009/02/28/full-debian-on-a-router-board/ <-- Possibly more interesting even |
| 10:54.56 | osgeo_wolf | aghisla: ahah :) Well actually since you are so well versed now in R and python. There could also be a GRASS project of interest to you: http://grass.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_SoC_Ideas_2009#Kriging |
| 10:55.00 | ruturaj | how do we create an application and submit it to the company during the application period |
| 10:57.34 | ojwb | ruturaj: please don't just keep reasking essentially the same question over and over |
| 10:58.20 | ojwb | the faq is the place to start |
| 10:58.20 | ojwb | !faq |
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| 10:58.29 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 10:58.47 | aghisla | osgeo_wolf: tempting indeed... :) |
| 10:59.01 | kblin | Erant: well, I do have a beagle, I intend to play with that first |
| 10:59.27 | Erant | kblin: I need to get myself some more ARM shit. I'm currently swimming in FPGA boards, but no ARM boards :( |
| 10:59.46 | osgeo_wolf | aghisla: :D maybe you can apply to us too it never hurts to spread a wide net ;) |
| 10:59.48 | kblin | Erant: if that lacks the oomp I need to run my active directory domain controller, I'll have to look for something new |
| 10:59.59 | Erant | kblin: Haha. :P |
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| 11:00.58 | kblin | Erant: no, seriously. I've got a small network, it should be possible to run it from a small arm box |
| 11:01.03 | Erant | Ofcourse |
| 11:01.27 | kblin | I'm just a bit concerned if I can get all the services I need into the 128 megs of ram |
| 11:01.35 | kblin | but it should be doable |
| 11:01.40 | Erant | Can't you add some RAM? |
| 11:01.55 | prea | is back |
| 11:01.59 | kblin | not easily for the beagle, no |
| 11:02.17 | Erant | kblin: Theoretically. Does it have the DRAM controller built in? |
| 11:02.37 | Erant | It might have an actual memory limit. I know quite a few Samsung ARM chips can only do 128MB RAM. |
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| 11:04.41 | kblin | Erant: I would have to check, but iirc they're plannig to sell the rev C boards with 256 megs, with few other hardware changes |
| 11:04.52 | Erant | Ah, k. |
| 11:05.05 | Erant | Looks like they stack the RAM with the NAND too |
| 11:05.42 | aghisla | what happens if I submit two apps for two different orgs? |
| 11:05.44 | Erant | And seeing as I only know those to be BGA, I wouldn't be touching it. Classic RAM chips are no problem to solder, but BGA is icky. :P |
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| 11:05.53 | Erant | slaps fn~SRabbelier around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:06.03 | Erant | d'oh. |
| 11:06.23 | aghisla | ... and each project is eligible? |
| 11:06.25 | ojwb | aghisla: if both accept you, it gets resolved |
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| 11:06.50 | kblin | Erant: yeah.. besides, I'm a software person. I'd rather go in and rip out some more memory hogs in Samba4 |
| 11:06.55 | ojwb | it's best to make it clear which you'd rather do, otherwise you might get arbitrarily assigned |
| 11:07.26 | aghisla | ojwb: don't I have to select only one application? |
| 11:07.33 | Erant | kblin: I'm a software person too. Soldering's not hard though. |
| 11:07.45 | ojwb | aghisla: you can make up to 20 different applications |
| 11:08.00 | kblin | Erant: I know. I can do it, but it's not something I like spending my time doing |
| 11:08.04 | ojwb | but it's better to stick more like 2 or 3 |
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| 11:08.11 | aghisla | reads faqs more carefully |
| 11:08.30 | ojwb | writing 3 good applications is hard; writing 20 good ones isn't possible |
| 11:08.54 | ojwb | and the ones which are just cut and pasted together stand out pretty clearly |
| 11:09.02 | Erant | kblin: Fair enough |
| 11:09.49 | kblin | Erant: besides, reducing the samba memory footprint helps more people than soldering more ram on my board :) |
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| 11:10.15 | Erant | True. |
| 11:10.24 | osgeo_wolf | aghisla: if both orgs accept you they fight over you or you can choose |
| 11:10.49 | kblin | but first I need to find a system that will allow me to route my IPv6 traffic over the beagle board |
| 11:10.51 | aghisla | thanks for explanation. I think I'll write two proposals then. |
| 11:11.11 | osgeo_wolf | great! :D |
| 11:11.29 | kblin | debian behaves funny on the ipv6 side of things, ubuntu doesn't ship an ipv6 kernel module |
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| 11:13.42 | aghisla | the timeline already contained your answer.. silly me! |
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| 11:17.20 | bergwolf | Is there a character count limitation on students' proposal? There was a 7500 limit last year, but I haven't found such limit on the user guild of this year. |
| 11:17.30 | bergwolf | just to confirm |
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| 11:17.51 | ArthurLiu | bergwolf, who in his right mind would want to write that much ?! |
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| 11:18.28 | ojwb | bergwolf: ask on #melange |
| 11:18.29 | Mek | or more importantly, who would want to read that much :) |
| 11:18.36 | ojwb | (that's the software which runs on socghop) |
| 11:18.47 | kblin | bergwolf: well, I'd try to keep the initial application below that number |
| 11:19.13 | bergwolf | ArthurLiu, I wrote about 10,000 last year... |
| 11:19.24 | bergwolf | ojwb, thanks, I'll ask there |
| 11:19.52 | ArthurLiu | is it rich text with a tinyMCE editor this year ? last year I wrote a nice latex document and then had to plain-textize it... |
| 11:20.10 | ArthurLiu | (I can't submit a proposal as I'm an admin...) |
| 11:20.10 | bergwolf | kblin, better to have an official answer, so I'll try #melange |
| 11:20.25 | kblin | bergwolf: sure |
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| 11:35.08 | kumarabhi | do u think that if i didnt talk to my mentors till now , is going to harm me? |
| 11:35.18 | kumarabhi | jaunty:if i directly upload my application on google and wait for mentors to comment on the app , will it be not ok? |
| 11:35.56 | aghisla | kumarabhi: last year I knew my mentor after application acceptance |
| 11:36.13 | ojwb | kumarabhi: if I had two comparable applications and one student had been talking to me already, I'd probably favour them slightly |
| 11:36.42 | ojwb | but other orgs and mentors may not I guess |
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| 11:39.52 | Raim | kumarabhi: you are encouraged to make contact with the org and their mentors and talk about your application |
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| 11:40.17 | aghisla | lunchtime |
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| 11:48.01 | spectie | kumarabhi, i would also favour a student who had engaged beforehand |
| 11:48.07 | spectie | but it really depends on the application |
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| 12:34.30 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 13:02.59 | k03chandra | i've recently participated in a project that used jmx |
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| 13:03.19 | k03chandra | so i want to join apache cocoon |
| 13:03.23 | k03chandra | as it uses jmx |
| 13:03.33 | k03chandra | how can i contact them? |
| 13:04.05 | SRabbelier | k03chandra: http://cocoon.apache.org/ ? |
| 13:04.09 | SRabbelier | k03chandra: first hit on google |
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| 13:05.09 | SouravDutta | Hi everybody |
| 13:05.37 | SouravDutta | anybody from the ASCEND Solver project? |
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| 13:06.27 | SRabbelier | SouravDutta: I'd try their irc/mailing list instead |
| 13:06.48 | SouravDutta | ok |
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| 13:06.50 | SouravDutta | thnks |
| 13:07.03 | kdubois | applications just open today, not are due today, correct? |
| 13:07.13 | SRabbelier | !timeline |
| 13:07.13 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 13:07.14 | SRabbelier | !next |
| 13:07.15 | socinfo | "next" is March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. |
| 13:07.19 | SRabbelier | kdubois: ^^^^ |
| 13:07.38 | kdubois | mmk, thanks |
| 13:07.49 | omniter | how many hours is that... like 10? |
| 13:07.58 | omniter | yeah... |
| 13:08.36 | kblin | a randomart image for my ssh key? cute |
| 13:09.06 | SRabbelier | kblin: you didn't know? :P |
| 13:09.13 | SRabbelier | kblin: that's been out for a bit :P |
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| 13:09.50 | dwins | omniter: it's about 13:10 UTC right now |
| 13:09.55 | dwins | so 6 hours. ish |
| 13:10.06 | PearlJam | yup. 6 for me too. (IST)! |
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| 13:10.18 | SRabbelier | socinfo: forget next |
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| 13:10.30 | SRabbelier | socinfo learn next as March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. http://tinyurl.com/d96n6d |
| 13:10.31 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 13:10.32 | ojwb | oddly enough, it'll be approximately the same length of time for everyone |
| 13:10.33 | SRabbelier | !next |
| 13:10.34 | socinfo | "next" is March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. http://tinyurl.com/d96n6d |
| 13:11.24 | kblin | SRabbelier: I created my last ssh keys after debian fixed their openssl fix |
| 13:11.30 | SRabbelier | kblin: same here |
| 13:11.37 | SRabbelier | kblin: but I did read an article about it |
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| 13:11.51 | kblin | or on older boxes, for that matter |
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| 13:12.01 | kblin | I created one last week at university |
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| 13:12.12 | thebolt | Hi |
| 13:12.12 | kblin | but that's the first time I created a ssh key on lenny |
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| 13:12.36 | SRabbelier | kblin: hehe, :) |
| 13:12.43 | kblin | SRabbelier: I'm happy that my most-used ssh key is older than the debian crypto breakage |
| 13:13.05 | SRabbelier | kblin: how old is that? :P |
| 13:13.21 | kblin | SRabbelier: ~8 years or so? |
| 13:13.43 | SRabbelier | kblin: that's pretty old :P |
| 13:14.09 | kblin | SRabbelier: I know |
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| 13:24.36 | mib_ankur | in panorma view, adding ovelays like screen or ground could prove handy ?? |
| 13:25.04 | danderson | !what |
| 13:25.04 | socinfo | Error: "what" is not a valid command. |
| 13:25.26 | danderson | !learn what as We have no idea what you are talking about. Please start again and provide context. |
| 13:25.26 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 13:25.29 | danderson | !what |
| 13:25.29 | socinfo | "what" is We have no idea what you are talking about. Please start again and provide context. |
| 13:25.46 | Garuma | !wtf |
| 13:25.46 | socinfo | Error: "wtf" is not a valid command. |
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| 13:25.55 | Garuma | danderson: you should add that too :p |
| 13:25.58 | devvrat | :) |
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| 13:27.07 | danderson | Garuma: do it yourself, the bot is open |
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| 13:28.46 | Garuma | !learn wtf literally "What The Fuck", means we have *really* no idea what the heck you are talking about. Further explanations are urgently needed. |
| 13:28.47 | socinfo | (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value. |
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| 13:29.13 | Garuma | !learn wtf as (literally) "What The Fuck", means we have *really* no idea what the heck you are talking about. Further explanations are urgently needed. |
| 13:29.13 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 13:29.49 | danderson | nice :P |
| 13:30.05 | Garuma | thx :) |
| 13:30.49 | araujo | morning |
| 13:31.08 | devvrat | !wtf |
| 13:31.08 | socinfo | "wtf" is (literally) What The Fuck , means we have *really* no idea what the heck you are talking about. Further explanations are urgently needed. |
| 13:31.13 | mib_ankur | applications 4 gsoc are open...?? |
| 13:31.21 | danderson | !next |
| 13:31.21 | socinfo | "next" is March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. http://tinyurl.com/d96n6d |
| 13:31.22 | devvrat | no |
| 13:31.26 | danderson | !faq |
| 13:31.26 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 13:31.29 | danderson | !timeline |
| 13:31.29 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 13:33.45 | mib_ankur | it was supposed to be open on monday.. |
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| 13:34.00 | Garuma | mib_ankur: careful about timezone |
| 13:34.15 | kblin | mib_ankur: yeah. on 1900 UTC |
| 13:34.16 | mib_ankur | oh! yes |
| 13:34.19 | Garuma | 19h00 UTC is probably not the same as your local hour |
| 13:34.46 | Garuma | also don't get pissed off if it's not open at *exactly* 19h00 UTC |
| 13:34.50 | kblin | wow, I didn't realize how loud my old router was |
| 13:35.02 | PearlJam | ankur: IST 00:30 am (today night) |
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| 13:38.46 | tote | if you apply for two gsoc projects, and get choosen for both, what happens? |
| 13:38.56 | danderson | you do one of them. |
| 13:39.02 | danderson | You may get to choose, you may not. |
| 13:39.10 | aghisla | there is a IRC meeting about these conflicts |
| 13:39.15 | aghisla | on april 15th |
| 13:39.24 | danderson | Depends on how the org slotting is going |
| 13:39.30 | Garuma | there is ordering on the webapp too IIRC ? |
| 13:39.32 | mib_ankur | thx ..... |
| 13:39.32 | mib_ankur | :) |
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| 13:39.53 | tote | are you encourage to apply for more then one project? |
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| 13:39.57 | danderson | !faq |
| 13:39.58 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 13:40.02 | danderson | !advice |
| 13:40.02 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 13:40.09 | SRabbelier | Garuma: no there's not |
| 13:40.16 | Garuma | !danderson is faqbot |
| 13:40.17 | socinfo | Error: "danderson" is not a valid command. |
| 13:40.17 | SRabbelier | Garuma: duplicate appliations are resolved in IRC :) |
| 13:40.26 | Garuma | SRabbelier: ok |
| 13:40.38 | SRabbelier | Garuma: although there'll be a view that shows duplicate assignments |
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| 13:49.32 | aghisla | this page seems unexistent: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/guide-to-the-gsoc-web-app-for-student-applicants |
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| 13:52.58 | ojwb | aghisla: where's that url from? I suspect it's from last year and the web app this year is different |
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| 13:53.51 | aghisla | ojwb: from google search, but indeed looks like last year's |
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| 13:54.18 | chintz | Any mentor from moodle here? |
| 13:54.31 | ojwb | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide#depth_students |
| 13:54.36 | ojwb | aghisla: ^^ |
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| 13:54.52 | danderson | !anyone |
| 13:54.52 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 13:55.18 | aghisla | thanks ojwb |
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| 13:55.47 | aghisla | so past year's profile is not valid anymore |
| 13:55.58 | ojwb | no |
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| 13:56.36 | bitner | Is there a way to find the email address for someone who has applied to be a mentor to our organization? |
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| 13:57.22 | bitner | I seem to only be able to find the link_id and name |
| 13:57.54 | _allen_ | !next |
| 13:57.54 | socinfo | "next" is March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. http://tinyurl.com/d96n6d |
| 13:58.02 | bitner | (alternately, is there way I can send a message through melange) |
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| 14:03.46 | vignesh | hi..I am a freelance webdeveloper...I like to participate on GSoC for joomla...I am good in xhtml/css..is that enough? |
| 14:04.00 | vignesh | please help me out |
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| 14:04.59 | chintz | u can check out various project ideas and participating organizations here: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 14:05.07 | chintz | c what suits u |
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| 14:05.19 | vignesh | ok thank you |
| 14:06.07 | chintz | I'm looking for a mentor regarding a tool for LMS or maybe for Google |
| 14:06.47 | chintz | Moodle's channel has noone |
| 14:08.17 | ajuonline | hugs lh |
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| 14:08.20 | ajuonline | yo! |
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| 14:08.38 | dirigeant | hi all |
| 14:08.44 | dirigeant | is there any body from genmapp |
| 14:09.01 | dirigeant | i wanna ask some questions about plugin project |
| 14:09.04 | schumaml | !anyone |
| 14:09.05 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
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| 14:09.56 | dirigeant | schumaml: i tried it of course |
| 14:10.18 | dirigeant | but there isnt any channel with named genmapp |
| 14:10.22 | NicDumZ | yeah, and their website don't give much of a contact :) |
| 14:10.27 | chintz | yeah, even moodle's channel is empty |
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| 14:10.47 | danderson | if their dedicated channel is empty, it's highly unlikely that more will be lurking here |
| 14:11.11 | dirigeant | danderson: they have not a registered channel |
| 14:11.24 | hwked | any mentor from wordpress here? |
| 14:11.25 | dirigeant | so i think, may be there is anyone at here |
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| 14:12.00 | NicDumZ | you would probably be more lucky on their ML |
| 14:12.23 | chintz | does google accept proposals itself, my proposal might suit their cloud apps too |
| 14:12.23 | NicDumZ | I know, IRC is better, but apparently... :) |
| 14:12.24 | durin42 | chintz: see the FAQ |
| 14:12.30 | danderson | chintz: no. |
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| 14:12.42 | chintz | i have seen the FAQs |
| 14:12.53 | danderson | well, if the question is "Can I work for google?", the answer is "Get an internship or an employment contract, not a GSoC" |
| 14:13.02 | ojwb | dirigeant: sounds like they don't use IRC |
| 14:13.12 | p_l | danderson: nice :) |
| 14:13.18 | ojwb | best option is to contact them as they ask you to here: http://socghop.appspot.com/org/show/google/gsoc2009/genmapp |
| 14:13.50 | NicDumZ | any idea of what socghop stands for ? I always has a damn time to remember the adress :) |
| 14:13.58 | NicDumZ | have. |
| 14:13.59 | NicDumZ | :( |
| 14:14.06 | durin42 | Summer of Code, Google Highly Open Participation |
| 14:14.08 | dwins | sumer of code/google highly open participation |
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| 14:14.25 | NicDumZ | highly open... hehe. |
| 14:14.28 | NicDumZ | thanks ;) |
| 14:14.46 | kblin | NicDumZ: that's a different program with even less restrictions that GSoC |
| 14:15.04 | kblin | NicDumZ: it's also for high-school kids |
| 14:15.18 | kblin | so I assume it's a clever pun |
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| 14:16.20 | NicDumZ | hop |
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| 14:16.28 | NicDumZ | hops around |
| 14:16.33 | NicDumZ | yeah, probably. |
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| 14:19.23 | dirigeant | i think google should oblige all organizations to use irc or mail list :-/ |
| 14:20.21 | durin42 | dirigeant: there has to be a way for a project to have a community or they wouldn't have been accepted |
| 14:20.32 | Garuma | most of them has, just not on freenode |
| 14:20.38 | ojwb | dirigeant: they do have a mailing list: http://socghop.appspot.com/org/show/google/gsoc2009/genmapp |
| 14:21.09 | dirigeant | there is mail list, but most of threads unreplied. so i said that |
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| 14:22.52 | ojwb | well, pick a different org if you don't like the look of this one |
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| 14:25.22 | jbailey | lh, *poke* |
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| 14:26.00 | durin42 | jbailey: how's Canada? |
| 14:26.15 | durin42 | (I hope you are the one that moved to Canada) |
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| 14:27.13 | thebolt | durin42: you hope as in you hope he left whereever he lived before, or just because you don't want to screw up? ;) |
| 14:27.24 | jbailey | durin42, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vxDDcTc64c |
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| 14:27.45 | jbailey | And, I am. =) |
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| 14:30.05 | durin42 | jbailey: nice response :P |
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| 14:37.52 | aghisla | apologies... this page is marked as inactive http://socghop.appspot.com/student/apply/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 14:38.24 | aghisla | will it be activated after 19.00 UTC, i suppose? |
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| 14:42.48 | jbailey | durin42, In general, my family and I are quite well settled after the move. It's nice to be home. =) |
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| 14:43.45 | durin42 | jbailey: good show, glad it went well |
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| 14:45.27 | kblin | aghisla: I guess so |
| 14:47.15 | jbailey | durin42, Thanks! =) |
| 14:47.26 | aghisla | I'll try this evening then |
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| 14:47.49 | homunq | Prospective students: the Sugarlabs idea list continues to evolve. We'd love an application under http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Project_Ideas#Versioned_Datastore, and there are some relatively easy python/pygtk projects possible under ...#Implement_existing_UI_design_proposal |
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| 14:57.51 | SRabbelier | aghisla: all dates have been set already (as per the timeline), no worries :) |
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| 15:00.01 | bn2vs | 12 noon PDT |
| 15:00.02 | bn2vs | -> what's that in GMT? |
| 15:00.16 | SRabbelier | !next |
| 15:00.16 | socinfo | "next" is March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. http://tinyurl.com/d96n6d |
| 15:00.22 | SRabbelier | !read |
| 15:00.23 | socinfo | "read" is Please read the FAQ and documentation (including the information provided to you on the relevant pages) before asking a question. |
| 15:00.25 | summatusmentis | PDT is... -7? |
| 15:00.27 | SRabbelier | !timeline |
| 15:00.28 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 15:00.32 | SRabbelier | bn2vs: ^^^^ |
| 15:00.44 | SRabbelier | especially !read |
| 15:01.02 | aghisla | SRabbelier: :) just impatient! |
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| 15:01.28 | bn2vs | so in 3 hours? |
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| 15:02.03 | prea | is back |
| 15:02.22 | SRabbelier | bn2vs: not quite |
| 15:02.31 | summatusmentis | oh crap, applications open today |
| 15:02.35 | SRabbelier | socinfo: forget next |
| 15:02.35 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:02.36 | summatusmentis | I have so much I need to be doing |
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| 15:02.53 | hypa7ia | summatusmentis: you have 2 weeks to appl |
| 15:02.53 | hypa7ia | er apply |
| 15:02.54 | hypa7ia | :) |
| 15:03.03 | SRabbelier | socinfo: learn next as March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. See http://tinyurl.com/d96n6d for different timezones. |
| 15:03.03 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:03.04 | summatusmentis | hypa7ia: I know, but I was hoping to be more on top of this |
| 15:03.11 | hypa7ia | summatusmentis: i hear ya :/ |
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| 15:03.33 | hypa7ia | summatusmentis: i finally finished touching up our application template yesterday |
| 15:03.41 | hypa7ia | ..at midnight :) |
| 15:04.35 | summatusmentis | hypa7ia: :) |
| 15:04.47 | SRabbelier | socinfo: forget next |
| 15:04.48 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:04.49 | bn2vs | ah in 4 hrs, SRabbelier: ty for utl :) |
| 15:04.52 | bn2vs | *url |
| 15:05.01 | SRabbelier | socinfo: learn next as March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. See http://tinyurl.com/d96n6d for different timezones. See http://tinyurl.com/de4q2b for a countdown. |
| 15:05.02 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:05.29 | SRabbelier | there ya go, free countdown for chu |
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| 15:28.47 | pygi | hi folks :p |
| 15:29.53 | kblin | pygi: so what? |
| 15:30.07 | pygi | kblin, nothing :p |
| 15:30.08 | pygi | hi :p |
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| 15:44.03 | vinod | à¤à¥à¤ à¤à¥à¤°à¥ यहाठहà¥? |
| 15:45.07 | hippieindamakin8 | vinod, english please :) |
| 15:45.18 | vinod | à¤à¤¬ à¤à¤ª वापस à¤à¤°à¥ |
| 15:45.39 | vinod | à¤à¤¬ तà¥à¤® वापस à¤à¤°à¤¤à¥ हà¥à¤? |
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| 15:47.27 | vinod | à¤à¤ªà¤¯à¥à¤à¤à¤°à¥à¤¤à¤¾ नाम बदल à¤à¤¯à¤¾ हॠ|
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| 15:47.40 | toady | vinod: यह à¤à¤ à¤
à¤à¤à¥à¤°à¥à¤à¥ बà¥à¤² à¤à¤à¤¹ यहाठहॠ(this is an english speaking place here) |
| 15:47.56 | koryk | ããã«ã¡ã¯ãã¿ãªãã |
| 15:48.38 | vinod | i'm sry |
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| 15:48.59 | vinod | i'm new to this and excited on seeing such translation stuff |
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| 15:54.58 | aks10 | !orgbylang |
| 15:54.58 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
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| 15:55.52 | z4chh | !ask |
| 15:55.53 | socinfo | "ask" is don't ask to ask, just ask! |
| 15:56.02 | oguz | !timeline |
| 15:56.02 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 15:56.09 | z4chh | got to have the ask to ask command ;p |
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| 16:01.52 | imbusy | !whatever |
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| 16:04.22 | devvrat | !advice |
| 16:04.23 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 16:06.17 | nerus | !students |
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| 16:06.21 | nerus | !timeline |
| 16:06.21 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 16:06.28 | nerus | !start |
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| 16:06.55 | gloob | nerus: !next is what you want |
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| 16:07.05 | PearlJam | !next |
| 16:07.06 | socinfo | "next" is March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. See http://tinyurl.com/d96n6d for different timezones. See http://tinyurl.com/de4q2b for a countdown. |
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| 16:10.53 | prea | is away: back soon... |
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| 16:11.19 | ni| | hey, i understand its 1900 utc - are all students accepted? What are the qualifications? |
| 16:11.43 | ni| | i'm a CS student at union college and have worked a lot with freebsd -- so i would like to work with this project |
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| 16:11.52 | mdc_mobile | It's an exciting day. Lot of interested (and interesting) students are visiting our IRC channel :) |
| 16:12.03 | mdc_mobile | I hope it's going well for others as well. |
| 16:12.21 | c_plus_plus | where did ubuntu go? I don't see it on the list any more. |
| 16:12.23 | mdc_mobile | !timeline |
| 16:12.23 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 16:12.33 | summatusmentis | !ubuntu |
| 16:12.33 | socinfo | "ubuntu" is Ubuntu had applied and was accepted, but they have subsequently chosen not to participate in GSoC 2009 |
| 16:12.50 | mdc_mobile | whoa |
| 16:12.57 | c_plus_plus | kk. thanks |
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| 16:13.00 | MatthewWilkes | o_O |
| 16:14.11 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: Loving the new andy, bts |
| 16:14.13 | MatthewWilkes | btw* |
| 16:14.23 | guiman | !chromium |
| 16:14.23 | socinfo | Error: "chromium" is not a valid command. |
| 16:14.35 | prea | so "Ubuntu" is an ancient african word meaning "Won't participate in GSoC"? :) |
| 16:14.47 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: I'm sure. I would be too, just that there are better options :) |
| 16:14.51 | ni| | so every applying student gets accepted? |
| 16:14.53 | guiman | !chrome |
| 16:14.53 | socinfo | Error: "chrome" is not a valid command. |
| 16:14.57 | ni| | !students |
| 16:14.57 | socinfo | Error: "students" is not a valid command. |
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| 16:14.58 | summatusmentis | ni|: no |
| 16:15.04 | ni| | summatusmentis: ok, so how do it work |
| 16:15.13 | summatusmentis | afaik ubuntu is the only org that has a bot command |
| 16:15.17 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: I'm not becoming one of those iPhone losers - was this or an n96, and I didn't want an incremental upgrade |
| 16:15.50 | summatusmentis | ni|: you have to apply, orgs rank students they want, and then take the top n students (where n is the number of slots allotted) |
| 16:15.53 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: that makes sense |
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| 16:16.16 | Erant | MatthewWilkes: iPhone losers? |
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| 16:16.28 | ni| | summatusmentis: ok, can i apply to several in the event that i don't get accepted to one? |
| 16:16.32 | summatusmentis | Erant: iPhone vs. G1 is what he's talking about |
| 16:16.33 | homunq | wow. Is there a blog somewhere about what happened with Ubuntu? |
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| 16:16.53 | summatusmentis | ni|: in the past you've been allowed to submit up to 20, in reality you have time for about 5 |
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| 16:16.58 | Erant | summatusmentis: Got that. Not seeing why I'm a 'loser' all of a sudden though. |
| 16:17.12 | aghisla | ni|: those are frequent asked questions, refer to FAQs please :)P |
| 16:17.20 | summatusmentis | Erant: presumably it's some elitest stance :-P |
| 16:17.26 | aghisla | !faq |
| 16:17.26 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 16:17.30 | summatusmentis | or generalization |
| 16:17.40 | Erant | ;) |
| 16:17.41 | MatthewWilkes | Erant: Do you go around parading your iPhone like every iPhone owner I know? |
| 16:17.50 | MatthewWilkes | If so, you're one of them. I was afraid of becoming one. |
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| 16:18.09 | ni| | blah |
| 16:18.09 | Erant | MatthewWilkes: Eh. Why would I do that. It's a fucking phone. |
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| 16:18.13 | summatusmentis | I need something better than my centro, but I'm waiting till after fall semester |
| 16:18.20 | MatthewWilkes | Erant: True, but everyone I know does ;) |
| 16:18.22 | Erant | (Shiny one, but that's not the point) |
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| 16:18.44 | SRabbelier | parades with his G1 just to annoy MatthewWilkes |
| 16:18.53 | Erant | Too bad there are few Andy projects in GSoC |
| 16:19.02 | summatusmentis | SRabbelier: he just got one :) |
| 16:19.12 | Erant | I know Rockbox has a vague idea of wanting it ported though. |
| 16:19.15 | summatusmentis | did android apply/get in? |
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| 16:19.34 | Erant | Probably didn't apply. |
| 16:19.55 | Erant | parades his multitouch in front of Sverre, just to annoy him. |
| 16:20.00 | SRabbelier | summatusmentis: didn't apply |
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| 16:20.06 | SRabbelier | is not impressed |
| 16:20.12 | Erant | You never were :( |
| 16:20.23 | summatusmentis | SRabbelier: ah |
| 16:20.34 | Erant | But some projects do have an idea where you port their respective application to Android |
| 16:20.43 | Erant | Rockbox being a notable one. |
| 16:20.52 | summatusmentis | I need to start lurking in android again, I don't follow the andy news anymore |
| 16:21.00 | summatusmentis | s/android/#android/ |
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| 16:21.21 | p_l | lol |
| 16:21.36 | Erant | s//l/ |
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| 16:21.51 | kblin | SRabbelier: you've got a G1 since the gittogether? |
| 16:21.52 | Erant | s/ /somelongstring/ |
| 16:22.02 | Erant | Fail. |
| 16:22.11 | SRabbelier | s/ /foobar/g |
| 16:22.14 | SRabbelier | :D |
| 16:22.16 | kblin | no, correct replacement |
| 16:22.19 | Erant | d'oh |
| 16:22.23 | SRabbelier | added /g for extra fun |
| 16:22.25 | Erant | My sed skills are poor :( |
| 16:22.34 | ecin | gittogether? Wow, that's pretty clever. |
| 16:22.58 | rahul | hi |
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| 16:23.11 | summatusmentis | hi rahul |
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| 16:23.49 | rahul | summatusmentis: hi |
| 16:24.10 | SRabbelier | kblin: no, since FOSDEM actually |
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| 16:24.26 | SRabbelier | s/no, /yes, / |
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| 16:36.50 | newt | !next |
| 16:36.51 | socinfo | "next" is March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. See http://tinyurl.com/d96n6d for different timezones. See http://tinyurl.com/de4q2b for a countdown. |
| 16:37.34 | tntcoda | not long :) |
| 16:38.03 | Erant | That's when it opens |
| 16:38.09 | Erant | Closes 3rd of april or smth |
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| 16:39.06 | kblin | SRabbelier: ah, drat, if I had known they were handing out G1s at FOSDEM, I'd have gone there as well ;) |
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| 16:39.27 | kblin | SRabbelier: or rather, can the G1 do bluetooth and UMTS? |
| 16:39.35 | SRabbelier | kblin: yes, and yes |
| 16:39.50 | kblin | because that crappy first iPhone couldn't, which made it pretty useless for me :) |
| 16:39.55 | SRabbelier | hehe :P |
| 16:40.27 | kblin | even discounting the crappy contract you had to get until recently |
| 16:40.32 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: This is fun. :) |
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| 16:40.43 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: what is? :) |
| 16:40.51 | Erant | kblin: iPhone can do BT. |
| 16:40.57 | Erant | Comes with a shiny earpiece. |
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| 16:41.28 | summatusmentis | iPhone earpiece has been discontinued, actually |
| 16:41.31 | SRabbelier | Erant: does it? |
| 16:41.39 | kblin | Erant: yeah, but BT is only the part connecting to my laptop, the part connecting me to internet is UMTS |
| 16:41.52 | kblin | Erant: it's pretty useless to me if it doesn't do both |
| 16:41.53 | rahul | :) |
| 16:42.06 | Erant | kblin: Eww. WiFi ftw |
| 16:42.07 | SRabbelier | kblin: you can tether iPhones now acshually :P |
| 16:42.18 | Erant | You could for a looong time dude |
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| 16:42.39 | kblin | Erant: I mean like not at home |
| 16:42.47 | Erant | I've been tethering for almost a year now |
| 16:42.52 | rahul | kblin:use andriod based T1 mob |
| 16:43.01 | Erant | ... |
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| 16:43.09 | SRabbelier | Erant: you've had your iPhone hacked since you got it, no count! :P |
| 16:43.13 | kblin | Erant: I used to live in a place where I didn't have ADSL internet |
| 16:43.19 | Zounds | What does tether mean in this context? |
| 16:43.21 | Erant | SRabbelier: Look at me not caring. |
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| 16:43.32 | Erant | Zounds: Using the internet from your mobile on your laptop |
| 16:43.32 | SRabbelier | Zounds: internet on laptop through mobile phone |
| 16:43.39 | SRabbelier | totally ninja-ed Erant |
| 16:43.40 | Zounds | ah |
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| 16:44.00 | Erant | SRannelier: So, the hacking is an extra challenge. That I like. |
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| 16:44.19 | Erant | Plus, I had something to talk about with the iPhone devteam ;P |
| 16:44.20 | SRabbelier | 0.o |
| 16:44.26 | pmurias | is there a GSoC application template somewhere? |
| 16:44.28 | SRabbelier | Eront: tab completion fail? |
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| 16:44.45 | Erant | fn~SRabbelier <-- Tab completion looks like that |
| 16:44.53 | Erant | So yes. I can't use it. |
| 16:44.55 | SRabbelier | Erant: .... why? |
| 16:45.05 | Erant | Bouncer with multiple (four) networks |
| 16:45.18 | SRabbelier | Erant: so...? |
| 16:45.24 | SRabbelier | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.26 | Zounds | pmurias: Each organisation typically produces their own as far as I can tell |
| 16:45.33 | Erant | fn~ is the FreeNode prefix I use. bz~ for Blitzed, in~ for IRCNet and no prefix for EFNet |
| 16:45.53 | Erant | SRabbelier: Yes it is, every network prefixes everything with their given prefix. Channels and nicks. |
| 16:46.13 | kblin | Erant: sounds overly complicated |
| 16:46.24 | SRabbelier | Erant: yes, fine, but tab completion should filter the fn~ prefix :P |
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| 16:46.53 | Erant | SRabbelier: That's a mIRC fail. (yes. I am using tah Windoze :( Only for FPGA devving right now though) |
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| 16:47.08 | SRabbelier | Erant: once more, /snoexcuse |
| 16:47.10 | Erant | 'lo Winter. |
| 16:47.18 | Erant | SRabbelier: Fine. Be that way. |
| 16:47.21 | SRabbelier | :D |
| 16:47.25 | Erant | :P |
| 16:47.34 | sanil | !next |
| 16:47.34 | socinfo | "next" is March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. See http://tinyurl.com/d96n6d for different timezones. See http://tinyurl.com/de4q2b for a countdown. |
| 16:47.35 | SRabbelier | Erant: I most certainly will |
| 16:47.46 | thebolt | Erant: silverx:P |
| 16:47.50 | pinkerton | what's the expected amount of time students spend on their gsoc project? 20hrs/week? 10? 40? |
| 16:47.57 | thebolt | (or putty+shell) |
| 16:47.59 | summatusmentis | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.59 | SRabbelier | pinkerton: full time |
| 16:48.04 | Erant | SRabbelier: So, now go fix WinterMute's organization application status. |
| 16:48.04 | thebolt | (and then of course irssi) |
| 16:48.05 | pinkerton | so 40/hrs week? |
| 16:48.12 | Catfish_Man | generally speaking, yes |
| 16:48.14 | SRabbelier | Erant: too late for that am afraid |
| 16:48.16 | pinkerton | ok |
| 16:48.18 | Catfish_Man | faster students can get away with less sometimes |
| 16:48.21 | summatusmentis | Erant> 'lo Winter. |
| 16:48.24 | summatusmentis | wrong window? |
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| 16:48.32 | SRabbelier | summatusmentis: winter, as in, WinterMute |
| 16:48.32 | WinterMute | hi Erant |
| 16:48.47 | pinkerton | thanks folks |
| 16:48.48 | summatusmentis | hrr |
| 16:48.58 | derek_s | Google hasn't opened the "Register as a Student" page yet, correct? |
| 16:49.05 | SRabbelier | !next |
| 16:49.06 | socinfo | "next" is March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. See http://tinyurl.com/d96n6d for different timezones. See http://tinyurl.com/de4q2b for a countdown. |
| 16:49.07 | SRabbelier | !timeline |
| 16:49.08 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 16:49.08 | SRabbelier | !read |
| 16:49.09 | socinfo | "read" is Please read the FAQ and documentation (including the information provided to you on the relevant pages) before asking a question. |
| 16:49.11 | SRabbelier | derek_s: ^^^^ |
| 16:49.13 | aghisla | haha |
| 16:49.14 | PearlJam | lol |
| 16:49.16 | summatusmentis | I saw WinterMute join in #teachingopensource |
| 16:49.19 | summatusmentis | and was confused |
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| 16:49.48 | SRabbelier | summatusmentis: hehe, phail :) |
| 16:49.51 | sanil | derek_s, :I don't think so |
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| 16:50.02 | aghisla | if the log is purged from all faq and timeline and next calls, it can hardly fill a monitor |
| 16:50.11 | SRabbelier | aghisla: true |
| 16:50.12 | aghisla | :D |
| 16:50.17 | sanil | but got an update on Twitter, abt the beginning of application |
| 16:50.18 | SRabbelier | aghisla: if only people would !read |
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| 16:50.25 | summatusmentis | I need to stop hanging out in Google Open Source related channels, it's confusing |
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| 16:50.52 | lh | sanil: that tweet said in 2.5 hours :) |
| 16:51.08 | aghisla | going home - see you in 2 hours when students will be allowed to register |
| 16:51.16 | kblin | morning lh |
| 16:51.18 | thebolt | hi lh |
| 16:51.22 | aghisla | hello lh |
| 16:51.27 | sanil | Yupp! Correct My err, sorry :( |
| 16:51.31 | lh | kblin: hail! |
| 16:51.37 | lh | thebolt: hail! |
| 16:51.41 | lh | aghisla: greetings! |
| 16:51.43 | kblin | lh: so we're gearing up for the madness in ~2 hours? |
| 16:51.48 | WinterMute | summatusmentis, heh, I'm on 16 channels across 4 networks now |
| 16:52.54 | SRabbelier | kblin: nope, I'm running away! |
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| 16:52.54 | antarus | ugh, decaf |
| 16:52.54 | lh | kblin: indeedy |
| 16:52.54 | antarus | google-- |
| 16:52.55 | WinterMute | Erant is maybe in half of them too :p |
| 16:52.55 | lh | ties down SRabbelier |
| 16:52.55 | SRabbelier | kblin: like last launch, going out for dinner or so! :P |
| 16:52.55 | thebolt | kblin: so, general@wf...? |
| 16:52.55 | summatusmentis | WinterMute: :-D |
| 16:52.55 | SRabbelier | lh: ooh, kinky :P |
| 16:52.55 | kblin | thebolt: sounds good |
| 16:52.55 | Erant | WinterMute. Oh yes. :P |
| 16:52.55 | kblin | SRabbelier: it's that or my staplegun |
| 16:52.55 | summatusmentis | SRabbelier is all over the place, at one point he would be in 4 channels that I was in, that was confusing |
| 16:52.55 | SRabbelier | cackles @ summatusmentis |
| 16:52.55 | lh | !timeline |
| 16:52.55 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 16:52.56 | SRabbelier | summatusmentis: you can't run away |
| 16:52.56 | Erant | summatusmentis: You ain't seen nothing yet. |
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| 16:53.29 | summatusmentis | SRabbelier: stay away from me! My brother will beat you up! |
| 16:53.37 | SRabbelier | summatusmentis: lol |
| 16:53.47 | summatusmentis | >_> |
| 16:53.51 | SRabbelier | summatusmentis: I thought only females are allowed to say that? :P |
| 16:54.08 | Erant | 'females'. Way to be awkward about it. |
| 16:54.12 | summatusmentis | psh, I'm not held down by traditional gender roles or expectations |
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| 16:54.33 | SRabbelier | summatusmentis: lol, +1 |
| 16:54.37 | kblin | SRabbelier: nah.. you're also allowed to say that if you don't have a brother |
| 16:54.50 | lookog | what's going on! |
| 16:55.03 | KillerX | Is it alright to send an email to the -discuss mailing list inviting applications from students? |
| 16:55.05 | SRabbelier | kblin: srsly? |
| 16:55.09 | SRabbelier | kblin: that's pretty useless then |
| 16:55.21 | SRabbelier | KillerX: nopez |
| 16:55.32 | SRabbelier | KillerX: if everybody did that, the list would get so much spam! |
| 16:55.59 | Catfish_Man | wait. The list has signal? I thought it was an experiment in noise generation |
| 16:56.05 | KillerX | SRabbelier: thought so, but I'm mentoring for an org that didn't get through to the final list, but an umbrella org is now hosting our ideas for us... |
| 16:56.10 | devilsadvocate | SRabbelier, not so much. do you, for example, know whether or not i have a brother and whether or not he can beat you up? |
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| 16:56.23 | KillerX | so I thought maybe I should let the students know |
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| 16:56.45 | kblin | SRabbelier: it's called bluffing |
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| 16:57.26 | kblin | SRabbelier: all that's needed for a threat is that the person you're threatening believes it |
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| 16:59.18 | sun_ | kblin, you have experience with threats ?:) |
| 16:59.59 | kblin | sun_: that's basic psychology |
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| 17:00.46 | sun_ | i thought you might have a deeper interest |
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| 17:02.18 | kblin | sun_: no, in general people know my girlfriend will beat them up if they bother me, I don't have to tell them ;) |
| 17:02.25 | olesalscheider_ | lh: kblin told me that I might ask you: I've just finished my alternative civilian service and want to study electrical engeneering |
| 17:02.34 | olesalscheider_ | The problem is that I cannot matriculate before August |
| 17:02.50 | olesalscheider_ | do you see any chance that I could participate in gsoc? |
| 17:02.55 | summatusmentis | kblin: your girlfriend is more threatening to people than you? :-D |
| 17:03.13 | SRabbelier | kblin: in that case I will no longer believe any threat unless it is backed by sufficient evidence and/or a big dude with lots of muscle |
| 17:03.28 | Garfeild | hi folks |
| 17:03.28 | sun_ | :) |
| 17:03.41 | sun_ | a kid with a knife can still hurt you ; ) |
| 17:04.05 | SRabbelier | is off for dinner |
| 17:04.05 | sun_ | it'll be unwise to ignore a threat from it |
| 17:04.29 | summatusmentis | I mean, progressive gender roles and things, not that it matters |
| 17:04.33 | summatusmentis | just curious |
| 17:04.37 | antarus | it depends on how skilled the kid is with knives |
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| 17:04.57 | summatusmentis | antarus: howsit? |
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| 17:05.19 | Erant | Kid with a gun then |
| 17:05.19 | Erant | No need to have skills with a gun |
| 17:05.19 | Erant | Point-and-click, so to speak. |
| 17:05.51 | Landon | that's sufficient evidence |
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| 17:07.02 | kblin | summatusmentis: no, she's not. she's more dangerous, and people keep underestimating her |
| 17:07.13 | summatusmentis | kblin: ah, duly noted |
| 17:07.49 | thebolt | kblin: well, doesn't say much cause you are a very kind and nice guy ;) |
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| 17:09.13 | lh | olesalscheider: not really. do you meet the eligibility requirements? |
| 17:09.19 | lh | !timeline |
| 17:09.19 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 17:09.34 | summatusmentis | whoa, lh is here! |
| 17:09.43 | summatusmentis | waves |
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| 17:09.47 | lh | summatusmentis: been here for hours :) |
| 17:09.48 | jag_haxxan | hugs |
| 17:10.07 | summatusmentis | lh: I apparently need more sleep or something, I didn't notice at all |
| 17:10.16 | olesalscheider | lh: if I understand them correctly they require me to matriculate until april and that won't be possible |
| 17:10.26 | lh | summatusmentis: sleep ++ |
| 17:10.49 | lh | olesalscheider: will you have some sort of documentation proving that you have been accepted into another learning insitution as of april 20th? |
| 17:10.49 | summatusmentis | lh: I know right? |
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| 17:12.01 | lh | summatusmentis: truly. |
| 17:12.10 | lh | i got a lot of sleep this weekend. 'twas heavenly. |
| 17:12.35 | summatusmentis | if only there were more time. I got smallish amounts of sleep this weekend, but arguably girlfriend > sleep |
| 17:12.48 | olesalscheider | lh: unfortunately not - i might ask rwth aachen to give me a written confirmation that they will accept me but i'm afraid they won't give me anything like that |
| 17:13.01 | kblin | thebolt: there's that :) |
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| 17:14.30 | thebolt | kblin: :) I left out the bio part (it is written mostly) as i don't feel that is as important for discussion and i don't feel like self-boasting too much in public :P |
| 17:15.11 | kblin | thebolt: fair enough.. |
| 17:15.21 | lh | olesalscheider: try it, the worst that can happen is they wont give you a letter. |
| 17:16.12 | olesalscheider | lh: I'll do - and such a letter would be enough to be eligible? |
| 17:16.20 | lh | olesalscheider: yes |
| 17:16.29 | olesalscheider | lh: thanks |
| 17:16.54 | thebolt | and now it is way past bedtime here :P |
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| 17:19.00 | grwi | !next |
| 17:19.00 | socinfo | "next" is March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. See http://tinyurl.com/d96n6d for different timezones. See http://tinyurl.com/de4q2b for a countdown. |
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| 17:19.22 | nloko | was just reading the student user guide. is 500 characters an actual llimit or suggestion for abstract? |
| 17:19.51 | kblin | an actual limit |
| 17:20.05 | kblin | it's not an abstract if it's too long :) |
| 17:20.32 | nloko | cool. thx. :) |
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| 17:21.36 | kendrick | morning |
| 17:21.37 | nloko | so, is the proposal limited to 7500 characters + 500 for abstract? or 7500 in total? |
| 17:22.32 | lh | 500 for abstract |
| 17:22.40 | lh | SRabbelier: there is no limit on content for proposal, correct? |
| 17:22.54 | unhammer | uh where on the gsoc site are these character limits ? |
| 17:22.55 | hypa7ia | !faq |
| 17:22.56 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 17:23.39 | nloko | unhammer: i may have read about the 7500 limit in the old FAQ. |
| 17:23.50 | nloko | so no limit this year? |
| 17:23.50 | unhammer | "Finding text: chara (No matches)" |
| 17:24.11 | unhammer | at least I can't find one.. |
| 17:24.23 | nloko | but, the 500 char limit for abstract is in the user guide: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide#depth_studentapply |
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| 17:25.51 | unhammer | nloko: Oh.. hmm. (I just thought "a Guide for a web site? why would I read that?") |
| 17:26.41 | unhammer | "but make sure to use the organization's application template if they have provided one.", I guess I'll have to ask the organization.. |
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| 17:27.16 | nloko | unhammer: ya, nobody likes reading documentation. :) |
| 17:27.21 | kendrick | heh |
| 17:27.43 | hypa7ia | is it the same with student apps as with org apps, where one can save changes right up to the deadline? |
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| 17:28.20 | tntcoda | do you get to rank gsoc applications in order of preference by any chance? |
| 17:28.21 | aks10 | !orgbylang |
| 17:28.21 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 17:28.22 | SRabbelier | lh: only for abstract |
| 17:28.25 | SRabbelier | lh: not for the content |
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| 17:28.38 | maximumbob | Neat, so applications open today @ 1500 EDT... |
| 17:28.54 | ajuonline | ladies and gentlemen, the first ever Sahana Conference begins in about 10.5 hours http://sahana2009.foss.lk |
| 17:28.59 | ajuonline | :P |
| 17:29.01 | maximumbob | I haven't really tried this before since I'm a first year uni student, but how competitive is the application? |
| 17:29.21 | SRabbelier | !advise |
| 17:29.21 | socinfo | Error: "advise" is not a valid command. |
| 17:29.26 | hypa7ia | maximumbob: something like 1 in 10 proposals |
| 17:29.27 | lh | SRabbelier: that's what i thought, thank you |
| 17:29.29 | SRabbelier | !advice |
| 17:29.30 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
| 17:29.44 | SRabbelier | lh: 500 byte limit on abstract, the content is rich text |
| 17:30.01 | MatthewWilkes | hmm, a review of an andy ssh app by "Pawel" who claims it was the first thing he looked for. Coincidence? |
| 17:30.03 | lh | SRabbelier: lovely. |
| 17:30.07 | SRabbelier | lh: (sort-of rich text anyway, not all formatting is supported due to security issues) |
| 17:30.29 | maximumbob | hypa7ia: thanks... So for the application, I look at the list of mentoring orgs and write up a proposal with abstract? |
| 17:30.29 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: doubtful :P |
| 17:30.47 | SRabbelier | maximumbob: read those links @ advice |
| 17:30.54 | hypa7ia | maximumbob: proposal formats vary by organization, check the ones you're interested in |
| 17:31.02 | nloko | SRabbelier: so, we'll able to use hyperlinks in the content of proposal? |
| 17:31.10 | SRabbelier | nloko: yes |
| 17:31.23 | MatthewWilkes | oooh, it's a pretty ssh app |
| 17:31.34 | maximumbob | Ok... one last question: is it generally one student per organization? |
| 17:31.38 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: 't is? |
| 17:31.48 | hypa7ia | maximumbob: no, generally from 2 to many |
| 17:31.50 | nloko | SRabbelier: thx. |
| 17:32.03 | Catfish_Man | maximumbob: KDE had like 40 last year or something |
| 17:32.05 | hypa7ia | maximumbob: there are supposed to be ~1000 students in the program this year |
| 17:32.10 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: ConnectBot in the market |
| 17:32.12 | MatthewWilkes | Free, and niceee |
| 17:32.40 | MatthewWilkes | ooh, a "Create port forwards" preference screen |
| 17:32.40 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: ah, yes, I think I even have it installed :P |
| 17:32.42 | MatthewWilkes | bounces |
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| 17:32.51 | PearlJam | ne suggestions as to what should be writtein the abstract considering 500 'characters' is pretty less! |
| 17:33.06 | SRabbelier | PearlJam: does not parse |
| 17:33.20 | hypa7ia | PearlJam: it's an abstract. it's supposed to be short. i'd still recommend not using phrases like "ne" :p |
| 17:33.29 | PearlJam | *apologies. |
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| 17:36.08 | apinto | !timeline |
| 17:36.08 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 17:37.43 | oguz | !limit |
| 17:37.43 | socinfo | Error: access denied (#gsoc,op). |
| 17:38.05 | glaksmono | !hello |
| 17:38.06 | socinfo | Error: "hello" is not a valid command. |
| 17:38.26 | oguz | well, it should learn the character limits |
| 17:38.31 | oguz | come up with a cool name :) |
| 17:38.36 | glaksmono | lol |
| 17:39.19 | dqminh | !timeline |
| 17:39.19 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 17:39.25 | dqminh | !next |
| 17:39.25 | socinfo | "next" is March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. See http://tinyurl.com/d96n6d for different timezones. See http://tinyurl.com/de4q2b for a countdown. |
| 17:40.05 | Garfeild | 20 minuts left? ) |
| 17:40.27 | HanzZ | no :) |
| 17:40.31 | danderson | !next |
| 17:40.31 | socinfo | "next" is March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. See http://tinyurl.com/d96n6d for different timezones. See http://tinyurl.com/de4q2b for a countdown. |
| 17:40.46 | danderson | please read, then ask google for "UTC time" |
| 17:40.53 | p_l | Garfeild: it's 17:39 UTC :-) |
| 17:41.03 | Garfeild | damn (>_<) |
| 17:41.05 | Garfeild | ))) |
| 17:41.29 | PearlJam | is it ok to include external links in an abstract or should i refrain from doing that? |
| 17:41.39 | Catfish_Man | that's been done in the past |
| 17:41.40 | lh | folks, please realize that your potential mentors are hanging out in this channel and it doesn't look so great for you if you are not willing to go look up the correct time. |
| 17:41.46 | lh | my 2.5 cents |
| 17:42.03 | lh | PearlJam: you can do so, but likely best not to. abstract is meant to stand on its own. |
| 17:42.08 | danderson | again, lh is being too polite |
| 17:42.19 | PearlJam | got it. |
| 17:42.25 | danderson | so let me add: act like grown ups and look up the bloody time |
| 17:42.37 | danderson | this isn't nuclear physics or advanced hypermathematics |
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| 17:42.53 | Catfish_Man | or even hyperbolic knitting |
| 17:43.09 | lh | danderson: i am not sure how i feel about the god cop bad cop thing we've got going on, but we'll deal |
| 17:43.37 | danderson | lh: sorry, I just feel more strongly about it I guess |
| 17:43.38 | danderson | !time |
| 17:43.38 | socinfo | "time" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#timeline |
| 17:43.44 | danderson | !forget time |
| 17:43.44 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 17:43.48 | durin42 | wants to learn hyperbolic knitting |
| 17:43.51 | danderson | !learn time as http://tinyurl.com/dbxnmy |
| 17:43.51 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 17:43.56 | Catfish_Man | durin42: look it up, it's pretty awesome :D |
| 17:43.59 | lh | just wants to learn how to knit |
| 17:44.13 | Erant | danderson: That depends on how fast you're travelling (wrt to the time thing) |
| 17:44.25 | durin42 | dude, that's sweet |
| 17:44.36 | danderson | if you're travelling at relativistic velocities, your TCP connections would time out due to time dilation |
| 17:44.43 | Upthorn | danderson: uh |
| 17:44.51 | danderson | I therefore conclude that you are in an area of spacetime where google queries are possible |
| 17:45.06 | Erant | Damnit. Out witted again. |
| 17:45.06 | Upthorn | shouldn't that tinyurl just link directly to http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&q=UTC+time instead of to http://lmgtfy.com/?q=UTC+time ? |
| 17:45.14 | SRabbelier | danderson: OMG!! |
| 17:45.14 | danderson | Upthorn: no. |
| 17:45.17 | SRabbelier | danderson: that's brilliant!! |
| 17:45.21 | MatthewWilkes | "Special thanks to [...] SanMeHat" - :) it's a #gsoc-fest |
| 17:45.29 | Catfish_Man | lmgtfy is the best website ever |
| 17:45.30 | danderson | it's my way of reminding people that it's not that damn hard |
| 17:45.46 | Upthorn | also... |
| 17:45.55 | SRabbelier | danderson: I like it |
| 17:46.03 | Erant | SRabbelier: ;P |
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| 17:47.03 | PearlJam | brilliant. |
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| 17:47.57 | SRabbelier | the !next link even has a link to both the universal time and the countdown |
| 17:48.00 | Erant | lh: So RockBox mentioned that Google supports porting stuff to the Android. How much of that is true for GSoC? |
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| 17:48.02 | SRabbelier | how could that not be sufficent? |
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| 17:48.24 | SRabbelier | Erant: find an org that'll accept that project |
| 17:48.41 | SRabbelier | Erant: EOA (end of answer) |
| 17:48.42 | Erant | SRabbelier: like... RockBox? ;) |
| 17:48.47 | SRabbelier | Erant: exactly |
| 17:48.58 | scorche|sh | perks up |
| 17:49.04 | gloob | EOA lol ! |
| 17:49.11 | SRabbelier | scorche|sh: you're with Rockbox? |
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| 17:49.19 | scorche|sh | points to the cloak |
| 17:49.37 | SRabbelier | socinfo: learn eoa as End of Answer, this means your question has been answered now. |
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| 17:49.44 | glaksmono | yeah, scorche|sh is with RockBox |
| 17:49.45 | glaksmono | lol |
| 17:49.47 | SRabbelier | scorche|sh: oic |
| 17:49.52 | SRabbelier | !eoa |
| 17:49.52 | socinfo | "eoa" is End of Answer, this means your question has been answered now. |
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| 17:50.48 | Erant | scorche: ;) So I probably don't have any of the hardware for RockBox. What kind of hardware ranges does it run on? |
| 17:51.04 | Erant | I noticed some of the slightly heavier hitters in MP3 land, does it run on minimal hardware too? |
| 17:51.28 | alpaca | i know i just hopped in on this conversation, but I had rockbox installed on my ipod video back in the day, i loved it |
| 17:51.33 | scorche|sh | Erant: come and talk to us...we have rockbox as an applications, however the port to other operating systems/firmware is only a part of that project..and a part that might not be best served by android as i am not sure how feasible it is to have C programs interacts witht he gui/etc |
| 17:51.35 | alpaca | but it didnt seem like something that would run very well on minimal hardware. |
| 17:51.40 | scorche|sh | Erant: www.rockbox.org lists the devices... |
| 17:51.57 | SRabbelier | scorche|sh: atm android only runs java apps :P |
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| 17:52.21 | Erant | SRabbelier: Eh? |
| 17:52.32 | Erant | Ain't it just a linux kernel? |
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| 17:52.48 | scorche|sh | alpaca: the ipod has a relatively low power processor and a large screen to update...rockbox runs on everything from a 12MHz SH CPU to >500MHz ARM chips |
| 17:52.53 | SRabbelier | Erant: it is, but if you're going to write an official app you'll have to write it in java |
| 17:53.21 | Erant | SRabbelier: What about a Java stub? |
| 17:53.36 | scorche|sh | SRabbelier: well, it is *possible* afaiu...there are just certain issues...i need to talk to another google person gain about it in more depth |
| 17:53.37 | SRabbelier | Erant: I doubt it |
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| 17:53.54 | SRabbelier | Erant: or at least, not right now; not officially anyway |
| 17:54.08 | Erant | scorche|sh: That's what I was wondering. 12MHz encompasses quite a few of the lower end MP3 players. |
| 17:54.37 | scorche|sh | Erant: not really... |
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| 17:54.52 | SRabbelier | kicks Erant and scorche|sh to #rockbox |
| 17:55.03 | alpaca | im wondering realistically how much time i would need to invest into gsoc if i decide to participate this summer |
| 17:55.04 | Erant | That hurts, ya know... |
| 17:55.04 | scorche|sh | the 12MHz devices were made back in 2001 and have a hardware MP3 decoding chip |
| 17:55.14 | alpaca | i read the FAQ and i know it can range, but should i expect 20 hours? 40 hours? 60? |
| 17:55.27 | SRabbelier | alpaca: go for fulltime, e.g., 40 |
| 17:55.28 | alpaca | (per week) |
| 17:55.37 | alpaca | SRabbelier: are there any options for something lighter? |
| 17:55.40 | SRabbelier | alpaca: depending on how skilled you are it might be less or more |
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| 17:55.46 | SRabbelier | alpaca: depends on yoru organization |
| 17:55.46 | alpaca | im taking time off from school currently to save up money |
| 17:55.49 | alpaca | as i have to fund my own school |
| 17:56.00 | alpaca | so, i DO have to keep a job, but i really want to participate as well. |
| 17:56.01 | SRabbelier | alpaca: some accept less effort, some require 40h/week |
| 17:56.16 | SRabbelier | alpaca: anyway, you should discuss with your mentoring organization |
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| 17:56.52 | alpaca | yeah, i need to go through the list more thoroughly |
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| 17:56.59 | SRabbelier | alpaca: you do that |
| 17:57.09 | allman | greetings |
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| 17:57.35 | SRabbelier | allman: o hi? |
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| 17:57.56 | kr0y | Do we need to provide as much technical detail as possible in the project proposal application? |
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| 17:58.03 | allman | just lurking - carry on :) |
| 17:58.06 | SRabbelier | kr0y: again, depends on the organization |
| 17:58.10 | Catfish_Man | kr0y: the organization should have a template for you to follow |
| 17:58.15 | homunq | [pimpalicious repost 2 of 3]: Prospective students: the Sugarlabs idea list continues to evolve. We'd love an application under http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Project_Ideas#Versioned_Datastore, and there are some relatively easy python/pygtk projects possible under ...#Implement_existing_UI_design_proposal |
| 17:58.30 | Catfish_Man | but in general you're attempting to convince them that you are competent and enthusiastic, and have a good idea of what's involved in your project |
| 17:58.31 | jbailey_ | allman, I totally can't imagine you in a long trench coat standing just out of the light. |
| 17:58.41 | SRabbelier | socinfo: learn askyourorg as You should ask the organization you are interested in applying as this varies per organization. |
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| 17:58.50 | SRabbelier | kr0y: !askyourorg |
| 17:58.57 | AlekSi | !time |
| 17:58.57 | socinfo | "time" is http://tinyurl.com/dbxnmy |
| 17:59.04 | AlekSi | !next |
| 17:59.04 | socinfo | "next" is March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. See http://tinyurl.com/d96n6d for different timezones. See http://tinyurl.com/de4q2b for a countdown. |
| 17:59.10 | jbailey_ | When did ! become something other than "not"? |
| 17:59.14 | allman | Jb: with a battered but still snappy hat pulled low... |
| 17:59.43 | alpaca | what kind of stipends are provided? i cant find very much information on that. unfortunately that will be a big part of my decision :( |
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| 17:59.53 | alpaca | i wish it didnt have to be that way. |
| 17:59.55 | kr0y | Sorry, what I mean to say is what is we have a lot of idea on *what* to do in the project, but not much about *how* to do it. Will it not make a good project proposal? Likely to get rejected soon? |
| 18:00.02 | scorche|sh | !faq |
| 18:00.02 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 18:00.15 | jbailey_ | allman, Now I'm imagining you a little more "Dirk Gently". That I could see.. |
| 18:00.19 | Upthorn | so the only thing I'm wondering |
| 18:00.21 | SRabbelier | jbailey_: it's been that way on irc for quite some time now :P |
| 18:00.25 | scorche|sh | kr0y: talk to the org and work through it with them... |
| 18:00.27 | Upthorn | is why !time is now a link to the current UTC time |
| 18:00.34 | Upthorn | instead of a link to the Summer of Code timeline |
| 18:00.37 | Upthorn | !timeline |
| 18:00.37 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 18:00.45 | Catfish_Man | kr0y: if you think a lot of investigation/research will be needed, then explain your plan to find out what you need to know as part of your proposal |
| 18:00.51 | Upthorn | I guess as long as timeline is still available |
| 18:01.09 | alpaca | wow, totally missed it in the FAQ :X |
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| 18:01.18 | danderson | because the time is not the timeline |
| 18:01.21 | SRabbelier | Upthorn: because peope are to braindamadged to search for the current time |
| 18:01.33 | danderson | and because the timeline prompts the question about the bloody time |
| 18:01.35 | eliel | Hello, I have been using the melange demo, and I would like to know if the student application found there will be what we are going to find in the productive soc homepage. |
| 18:01.37 | danderson | which time answers |
| 18:01.43 | SRabbelier | exactly :) |
| 18:01.50 | scorche|sh | timeline was always available...i dont get all of these people who need 3-4 factoids for one bit of information to allow people to use similar phrasings |
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| 18:01.55 | SRabbelier | eliel: yes it will look like that |
| 18:01.59 | kr0y | scorshe|sh : my would-be mentor gave me a lot of ideas to think upon but said that the technical discussions would happen if I get selected |
| 18:02.07 | SRabbelier | eliel: melange-demo is always running the same version as socghop.appspot |
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| 18:02.29 | SRabbelier | kr0y: omg, then why are you even asking that question? |
| 18:03.15 | eliel | SRabbelier: I was asking because in the student signup couldn't find where we were going to provide proof that we are students. |
| 18:03.27 | scorche|sh | eliel: that comes later |
| 18:03.52 | SRabbelier | scorche|sh: indeed |
| 18:04.10 | eliel | scorche|sh: later when we get accepted? |
| 18:04.22 | scorche|sh | later after you get accepted, yes |
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| 18:04.34 | kr0y | SRabbelier : I just read a few of last year's selected applications, and they were indeed much more technical than what mine would be. Hence, I asked if I needed to write more how-to's |
| 18:04.36 | eliel | scorche|sh: thank you |
| 18:05.08 | SRabbelier | kr0y: obviously you should do what your would-be mentor tells you to, they are the ones that will be ranking your proposal |
| 18:05.08 | scorche|sh | kr0y: it all depends on the org...some like to have the technical bits all worked out beforehand, others dont |
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| 18:05.12 | prea | !time |
| 18:05.12 | socinfo | "time" is http://tinyurl.com/dbxnmy |
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| 18:06.14 | kr0y | SRabbelier & scorche|sh : Thanks, I got a little nervous seeing successful applications |
| 18:06.25 | SRabbelier | kr0y: don't :) |
| 18:06.40 | SRabbelier | kr0y: keeping your cool is key to being successfull |
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| 18:11.08 | socinfo | "next" is March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. See http://tinyurl.com/d96n6d for different timezones. See http://tinyurl.com/de4q2b for a countdown. |
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| 18:19.09 | devvrat | the number of online users is constantly rising ...Let's see where it reaches |
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| 18:20.00 | SRabbelier | lol, america fail |
| 18:20.24 | SRabbelier | Obama presented Gordon Brown with a bunch of DVD's... region encoded.... so not readable in the UK :P |
| 18:20.41 | danderson | why? |
| 18:20.49 | Erant | Region 'encoded'? |
| 18:20.55 | danderson | Surely Brown has a region-free DVD player, like the rest of us |
| 18:21.02 | danderson | or uses vlc with libdvdcss, like the rest of us |
| 18:21.12 | SRabbelier | danderson: hehe, it's the idea that counts :P |
| 18:21.25 | Erant | SRabbelier: Maybe he has a Wii he can use? ;) |
| 18:21.35 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Did you see the daily show vid about it? |
| 18:21.52 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: no, I didn't, addy? |
| 18:21.55 | SRabbelier | Erant: lol |
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| 18:22.45 | p_l | stopped buying DVDs after finding it was more legal for him to download rather than decode the movies he bought legally |
| 18:23.05 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=220289&title=brown-in-the-usa |
| 18:23.15 | dho_plan9 | region free dvd players are much more widely available in europe. |
| 18:23.22 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: tnq |
| 18:23.59 | p_l | dho_plan9: I don't own a stationary dvd player (nor a tv/projector) |
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| 18:24.18 | dho_plan9 | I didn't say more people have them, I said they're more widely available. |
| 18:24.28 | p_l | but yes, they were quite available |
| 18:24.32 | dho_plan9 | i.e. you can easily purchase one legally from a retail outlet |
| 18:24.35 | dho_plan9 | which isn't the case here. |
| 18:25.04 | alpaca | does anyone know how many applicants there were last year? |
| 18:25.19 | dho_plan9 | Over 9,000 |
| 18:25.20 | ajuonline | 7125 |
| 18:25.20 | dho_plan9 | ducks. |
| 18:25.36 | harlan | wow, that's nearly a million! |
| 18:25.39 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: LOL @ "the yes we can 5" |
| 18:25.55 | alpaca | so, a little over 25% were accepted? |
| 18:26.03 | ajuonline | 1125 |
| 18:26.10 | ajuonline | 83% final pass percentage. |
| 18:26.19 | p_l | dho_plan9: the memes! They are EVERYWHERE! |
| 18:26.23 | ajuonline | so that makes around 900 something finally completing |
| 18:26.37 | relix | 17% didn't do well? |
| 18:26.42 | relix | that's a poor percentage |
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| 18:26.50 | alpaca | oh wow, i thought i read that there were 2500 participants last year. that must be for all years combined. |
| 18:26.53 | Chainsaw | SRabbelier: We gave rather cool gifts actually. Wasn't too impressed with it being DVDs in the first place. |
| 18:27.07 | ajuonline | relix: thats the highest success rate compared to past gsoc's |
| 18:27.32 | SRabbelier | lol, yup, I read about the box with the button |
| 18:27.37 | relix | ajuonline: that's good, but I mean, you'd think people would be willing to do more effort |
| 18:27.48 | ajuonline | relix: they should gsoc is serious business. |
| 18:27.51 | relix | especially when only 10% can participate |
| 18:27.59 | alpaca | yeah, seriously. |
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| 18:28.13 | Catfish_Man | relix: don't think of it as "they were lazy", think of it as "their projects were hard" ;) |
| 18:28.25 | relix | Catfish_Man: hehe |
| 18:28.32 | dho_plan9 | p_l: there's a moving / storage company here called Orly (pronounced or-lee). They have big trucks with big letters saying ORLY. It's great. |
| 18:28.34 | domonoky | thinks 83% success rate is really really good.. |
| 18:28.37 | relix | Catfish_Man: but if that's the case shouldn't the mentor give a positive grade |
| 18:28.49 | relix | if they tried hard enough, and progressed quite a bit |
| 18:28.50 | alpaca | 83% success rate in some of my classes would be fantastic. |
| 18:28.55 | HanzZ | hehe :) |
| 18:29.02 | p_l | dho_plan9: Do they have plans of introducing an owl as their logo? :D |
| 18:29.04 | mdc_mobile | GSoC is a complicated dance, and it is easy to stumble, easy to lose the beat. |
| 18:29.04 | Catfish_Man | relix: the mentor and student should discuss rescoping the project long before that point, ideally |
| 18:29.15 | relix | ah, ok |
| 18:29.24 | relix | that makes sense, I guess |
| 18:29.31 | Catfish_Man | relix: there were also situations where students withdrew; one of ours had to go help with the family business due to the economy for example |
| 18:29.48 | relix | of course, didn't thought of that |
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| 18:30.05 | relix | probably also quite a lot of people who unexpectedly had to redo some finals |
| 18:30.07 | MatthewWilkes | dho_plan9: It's also the name for an airport in paris |
| 18:30.15 | mdc_mobile | Being a mentor requires work as does being a student participant. There are so many factors that determine how things go. |
| 18:30.16 | harlan | and sometimes this is a student's first attempt at a project that resembles a "real job" and they are just not ready for it, or the underestimate the effort and give up, or have some other item happen that takes them away from the project. |
| 18:30.33 | dho_plan9 | I saw a ``Bimbo'' truck today, too. |
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| 18:30.50 | dho_plan9 | There's apparently a ``Bimbo Bakeries'' around here |
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| 18:31.07 | SRabbelier | p_l: that would be epic win |
| 18:31.13 | harlan | dho_plan9: Please find it and report on what they have, and how good it it. |
| 18:31.16 | mdc_mobile | Each situation, like each person is unique, and sometimes good things happen in the most unlikely of circumstances. |
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| 18:31.34 | harlan | and if everybody passed, I submit the "bar" is too low. |
| 18:31.39 | relix | hehe |
| 18:31.51 | relix | not if the bar of entry is high enough |
| 18:32.05 | relix | but anyway, I get your point |
| 18:32.06 | alpaca | im really really good at the limbo. |
| 18:32.07 | harlan | yes, even then. There is an entry bar, and a delivery bar. |
| 18:32.09 | mdc_mobile | The reverse is true as well -- an excellent proposal may not mean an excellent project outcome; |
| 18:32.11 | alpaca | i dont think thats going to help me here. |
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| 18:32.36 | relix | well i've got to run |
| 18:32.37 | Catfish_Man | harlan: also the crow bar and the wet bar |
| 18:32.41 | relix | see you guys later |
| 18:32.44 | relix | we'll talk about bars |
| 18:32.50 | Catfish_Man | bye relix! |
| 18:32.55 | relix | don't forget the cocktail bar |
| 18:32.55 | harlan | :) |
| 18:33.00 | relix | laters! |
| 18:33.01 | mdc_mobile | Talk to potential mentors; do your best to understand them, and they you. Pick something you have a strong interest in; |
| 18:33.09 | mdc_mobile | take care! |
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| 18:33.30 | mdc_mobile | 12 weeks will fly by for all concerned. |
| 18:33.39 | harlan | absolutely. |
| 18:33.41 | mdc_mobile | 6 is a mere blink. |
| 18:34.12 | patri | hi |
| 18:34.31 | mdc_mobile | but if you treat each day of work as important and a special opportunity, you will find something valuable every day. |
| 18:34.44 | mdc_mobile | goes to eat lunch |
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| 18:37.36 | Landon | :\ |
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| 18:37.37 | Landon | ouch |
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| 18:37.57 | Landon | missed 2 points on a data structures test because I used return 1 and return 0 instead of return true and return false :\ |
| 18:38.17 | patri | :) |
| 18:38.46 | SRabbelier | mdc_mobile: how philosophical |
| 18:38.48 | ahuillet | they really had to look for points to remove it seems :) |
| 18:38.55 | SRabbelier | Landon: that's harsh |
| 18:38.56 | domonoky | hehe, but for a test, that is fine, as the highest rule for coding is: "make readable code !!" :-) |
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| 18:39.20 | Landon | I figure 1 for true and 0 for false is readable :P |
| 18:39.35 | ahuillet | and pretty standard :) |
| 18:39.59 | Landon | apparently not in C# :P |
| 18:40.03 | domonoky | until you put your code in some old legacy software, where they defined 0 to be true :-) |
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| 18:40.14 | Phrozn | ~20 minutes |
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| 18:40.33 | l0nwlf | http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?day=23&month=03&year=2009&hour=19&min=0&sec=0&p0=0 |
| 18:40.33 | Chainsaw | Phrozn: Oh boy oh boy oh boy. |
| 18:40.34 | SRabbelier | Landon: epic fail |
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| 18:40.47 | Chainsaw | I tend to define false as 0 and true as not false. |
| 18:41.02 | Chainsaw | Because you just know someone's going to show off and return 2 or 3. Because they can. |
| 18:41.03 | Phrozn | no sight of lh today. maybe there won't be an official annoucment? |
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| 18:41.20 | Phrozn | shes likely busy |
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| 18:41.24 | Phrozn | atm |
| 18:41.29 | scorche|sh | patience... |
| 18:41.34 | valdyr | Hi folks |
| 18:41.51 | lh | Phrozn: i'm right here |
| 18:41.53 | lh | what's up? |
| 18:41.57 | tntcoda | do you get to rank gsoc applications in order of preference by any chance? |
| 18:41.57 | lh | we have 20 minutes folks, patience |
| 18:42.11 | Phrozn | lh: hi. nothing really, thanks though |
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| 18:43.17 | valdyr | Are there anybody participated in GSoC before? |
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| 18:43.25 | Catfish_Man | many |
| 18:43.27 | danderson | no, nobody. |
| 18:43.28 | danderson | ever. |
| 18:43.31 | HanzZ | :) |
| 18:43.32 | dho_plan9 | It's new. |
| 18:43.33 | valdyr | heh |
| 18:43.36 | danderson | the previous years were all lies |
| 18:43.37 | valdyr | me 2 |
| 18:43.50 | scorche|sh | you are a lie? |
| 18:44.07 | patri | me too new here.. |
| 18:44.17 | HanzZ | scorche|sh: :) |
| 18:44.19 | valdyr | anyways what is the percent of rejection |
| 18:44.43 | valdyr | f.i. 10000 applicants |
| 18:44.45 | valdyr | 1000 chosen |
| 18:44.52 | scorche|sh | 0% if the mentoring org wants to accept you |
| 18:45.00 | scorche|sh | (and they have slots) |
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| 18:45.17 | valdyr | So slots haven`t been defined yet? |
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| 18:45.22 | scorche|sh | no |
| 18:45.28 | SRabbelier | !timeline |
| 18:45.29 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 18:45.32 | homunq | c'mon, let's not gang up. one bad cop's enough. |
| 18:45.34 | SRabbelier | valdyr: ^^^^ |
| 18:45.39 | valdyr | My friend said he has been chosen but no slots were available |
| 18:45.48 | danderson | too bad for him |
| 18:45.55 | SRabbelier | valdyr: that happens, there's no predicting that though |
| 18:46.05 | danderson | if I remember the numbers from last year right, the rejection rate is about 80-90% |
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| 18:46.21 | XSunny | means you apply as early as possible |
| 18:46.27 | lh | rejection rate is more like 67% |
| 18:46.28 | SRabbelier | XSunny: doesn't affect it at all |
| 18:46.35 | valdyr | hmm |
| 18:46.37 | danderson | oops, see what lh said. |
| 18:46.42 | valdyr | first come better chance |
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| 18:46.47 | danderson | no. |
| 18:46.49 | SRabbelier | XSunny: not entirely true of course, but to some extent |
| 18:46.51 | scorche|sh | nope |
| 18:46.53 | valdyr | why |
| 18:46.53 | lh | honestly folks, that is not that bad. most grant programs are a 90-95% rejection rate. |
| 18:47.01 | valdyr | yep |
| 18:47.02 | danderson | first come, shittier application, faster rejection. |
| 18:47.08 | valdyr | 67% is quite cool |
| 18:47.10 | danderson | take your time to build a quality application. |
| 18:47.24 | scorche|sh | valdyr: it isnt a time-based thing...it is all based ont he quality of the application/applicant |
| 18:47.25 | tntcoda | so if we submit this weekend, thats good enough? |
| 18:47.40 | c_plus_plus | How is the number of slots each organization has determined? |
| 18:47.41 | valdyr | you`ll c on 20 Apr(= |
| 18:47.42 | stathis | not too early, not too late |
| 18:47.43 | scorche|sh | tntcoda: as long as you are in the range...work with your mentoring org now though |
| 18:47.51 | tntcoda | ok thanks |
| 18:47.56 | danderson | has trouble understanding the point of these questions |
| 18:48.01 | scorche|sh | too |
| 18:48.05 | SRabbelier | danderson: anxious people |
| 18:48.07 | valdyr | anyways pretty cool opportunities |
| 18:48.09 | danderson | if submitting on the weekend was not okay, the timeline would not include the weekend |
| 18:48.09 | tntcoda | its just nerves |
| 18:48.11 | SRabbelier | danderson: I asked them last year too ;) |
| 18:48.13 | valdyr | brought by google |
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| 18:48.36 | SRabbelier | c_plus_plus: see the faq |
| 18:48.43 | danderson | /ignores the chan to avoid aggravating an already stupid day |
| 18:48.44 | SRabbelier | c_plus_plus: it has a link to a document explaining it I think |
| 18:48.49 | valdyr | Are most of you from USA/Europe? |
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| 18:49.06 | feliperibeiro | valdyr: Brazil |
| 18:49.07 | hypa7ia | canada! |
| 18:49.13 | lh | everyone, chill out. |
| 18:49.14 | valdyr | Ukraine |
| 18:49.14 | c_plus_plus | SRabbelier: sorry, I thought I read it completely, I guess I missed that. |
| 18:49.21 | lh | :) |
| 18:49.21 | iobit | Ukraine |
| 18:49.25 | Lennie | wassup :) |
| 18:49.29 | valdyr | preved |
| 18:49.34 | p_l | Poland/UK |
| 18:49.35 | lh | serves chamomile tea, cookies and possibly valium |
| 18:49.36 | AlekSi | lh: +v ;) |
| 18:49.43 | scorche|sh | we have 483 people in here...please dont everyone start listing where they are from.. |
| 18:49.54 | valdyr | k sorry |
| 18:50.00 | lh | AlekSi: i am hoping we can just keep order through social pressure, will resort to technology later |
| 18:50.04 | homunq | compromises by serving valerian tea |
| 18:50.05 | p_l | most people probably idle most of the time |
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| 18:50.21 | scorche|sh | that isnt the point |
| 18:50.34 | p_l | I know :) |
| 18:50.43 | monsieurp | I'm just lurking :P |
| 18:50.43 | homunq | please don't everyone say "please don't" at once. |
| 18:50.45 | homunq | oops |
| 18:50.50 | Landon | please don't |
| 18:50.52 | lut4rp | rips easy_install to pieces |
| 18:51.16 | Landon | needs to put some arctic silver or something in his laptop |
| 18:51.20 | Landon | getting a little toasty |
| 18:51.28 | alpaca | just squeeze some into the cd drive |
| 18:51.31 | alpaca | that works every time |
| 18:51.34 | SRabbelier | lh: lol @ the valium |
| 18:51.34 | Landon | no CD drive |
| 18:51.37 | Landon | that must be my problem |
| 18:51.38 | Landon | :P |
| 18:51.55 | lh | SRabbelier: i think we may need it. |
| 18:52.07 | SRabbelier | lh: I think it's called +m on IRC :P |
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| 18:52.32 | alpaca | and +stfu in real life. |
| 18:52.35 | HanzZ | !timeline |
| 18:52.35 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 18:52.37 | lh | SRabbelier: again, i wish to solve this with social means, technology is last resort |
| 18:52.40 | HanzZ | !next |
| 18:52.40 | socinfo | "next" is March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. See http://tinyurl.com/d96n6d for different timezones. See http://tinyurl.com/de4q2b for a countdown. |
| 18:52.44 | lh | alpaca: that's awesome dude. |
| 18:52.52 | HanzZ | needs countdown :) |
| 18:53.02 | SRabbelier | HanzZ: see the last link in the next factoid |
| 18:53.05 | stjepan | prays scorche is around |
| 18:53.08 | SRabbelier | !read |
| 18:53.08 | socinfo | "read" is Please read the FAQ and documentation (including the information provided to you on the relevant pages) before asking a question. |
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| 18:53.15 | alpaca | i dont make very many funny jokes, that was rare. |
| 18:53.18 | HanzZ | SRabbelier: I've just display it because of it :) |
| 18:53.20 | scorche|sh | stjepan: hi |
| 18:53.24 | HanzZ | *displayed |
| 18:53.29 | SRabbelier | HanzZ: fair enoug hthen |
| 18:53.30 | lh | folks solydzajs just let me know - the GSoC site is the #5 hit on google for appspot. we gets love! |
| 18:53.34 | scorche|sh | lh: read: http://www.wikihow.com/Buy-a-Private-Island |
| 18:53.35 | scorche|sh | =) |
| 18:53.40 | stjepan | scorche|sh: hey, forgot to join the channel |
| 18:53.45 | SRabbelier | lh: sweet! |
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| 18:53.49 | lh | scorche|sh: book marking |
| 18:53.53 | stjepan | scorche|sh: you're getting a really nice impression of me aren't you :-) |
| 18:54.10 | scorche|sh | moves to PM |
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| 18:54.45 | scorche|sh | lh: hacker colony++ |
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| 18:55.21 | SRabbelier | wonders how many people would ever need that wikihow article |
| 18:55.32 | SRabbelier | either that, or private islands are a lot cheaper than I thought |
| 18:55.40 | scorche|sh | SRabbelier: we do |
| 18:55.47 | dho_plan9 | SRabbelier: You can get islands for under $1m |
| 18:55.48 | scorche|sh | hacker colony++ |
| 18:55.52 | Landon | are we going to get a premade one? |
| 18:55.59 | Landon | or are we going to build our own |
| 18:56.00 | scorche|sh | Landon: they are cheaper |
| 18:56.04 | Landon | open source island |
| 18:56.15 | SRabbelier | dho_plan9: ah, I just happen to have under $1m in my bank! |
| 18:56.27 | dho_plan9 | You can get them for significantly less, even. It's quite like buying any other form of land. |
| 18:56.30 | alpaca | SRabbelier: made me chuckle out loud at work |
| 18:56.36 | scorche|sh | Landon: if we built our own, it will just lose a few thousand dollars in worth the moment we drive it off the dealership |
| 18:56.41 | SRabbelier | alpaca: ^__^ |
| 18:56.44 | dho_plan9 | SRabbelier: nice. |
| 18:56.45 | p_l | is more interested in how to become independent with such island :) |
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| 18:57.05 | Landon | it's my opinion |
| 18:57.11 | Landon | that we should start building a generation ship |
| 18:57.12 | Landon | :) |
| 18:57.14 | alpaca | are the ops here all google employees? |
| 18:57.17 | Lennie | no |
| 18:57.26 | scorche|sh | most are |
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| 18:57.29 | Catfish_Man | I am not, for example |
| 18:57.36 | alpaca | and what is it that you do? |
| 18:57.37 | Lennie | I'm not either ^_^ |
| 18:57.57 | Catfish_Man | me? I'm an admin/mentor for Adium, and generally helpful dude :) |
| 18:58.18 | alpaca | <3 adium. ill be applying :) |
| 18:58.24 | Catfish_Man | 'fraid not |
| 18:58.26 | Catfish_Man | we didn't apply this year |
| 18:58.28 | alpaca | AH |
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| 18:58.38 | alpaca | i still havent done my rounds on the list |
| 18:58.40 | Catfish_Man | if you'd like to help out anyway though, you're certainly welcome to :) |
| 18:58.42 | Catfish_Man | lots to do |
| 18:58.54 | feliperibeiro | like webcam support :-)))))) |
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| 18:59.08 | scorche|sh | alpaca: now is high time you looked then ;) |
| 18:59.09 | alpaca | yeah seriously. i have to sign onto ichat every time i want to vidchat :( |
| 18:59.09 | dho_plan9 | Like not crashing every time dho buys a mac and needs an IM program :( |
| 18:59.28 | Catfish_Man | notes that this is offtopic for #gsoc now |
| 18:59.35 | alpaca | scorche|sh: yeah, working on it. im at work right now so im kind of slacking a bit w/ irc while getting a few other things done. |
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| 19:00.21 | SRabbelier | scorche|sh: I'm thinking by now the list is about half googlers, half non-googlers |
| 19:00.33 | feliperibeiro | yeah, everybody is at irc just while the code compiles or runs the unit tests... lol |
| 19:00.40 | feliperibeiro | we use a lot this excuse |
| 19:00.55 | alpaca | heh :D i hear ya |
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| 19:01.02 | scorche|sh | SRabbelier: yeah...since lh added you melange folks, probably =) |
| 19:01.12 | SRabbelier | scorche|sh: :D |
| 19:01.19 | SRabbelier | feliperibeiro: http://xkcd.com/303/ |
| 19:01.28 | Sirp | question: is it okay for someone in high school rather than college to be a student in SoC, assuming they meet the age eligibility requirements? |
| 19:01.40 | Catfish_Man | Sirp: unfortunately no, sorry |
| 19:01.44 | stathis | In what form is the application submitted? Plain text? Html? PDF? Other? |
| 19:01.45 | Sirp | Catfish_Man: okay. |
| 19:01.59 | PearlJam | Plain Text i guess. |
| 19:02.00 | lh | hits refresh over and over |
| 19:02.02 | SRabbelier | Catfish_Man: errr, it is? |
| 19:02.13 | SRabbelier | Sirp: it is |
| 19:02.18 | p_l | Sirp: I guess you can try with ghop, but I don't remember the dates |
| 19:02.22 | SRabbelier | lh: high school students are also elligible, yes? |
| 19:02.23 | Catfish_Man | SRabbelier: what? no. You have to be accepted to university or equivalent |
| 19:02.25 | spectie | * lh hits refresh over and over |
| 19:02.25 | spectie | haha |
| 19:02.29 | spectie | SRabbelier, no :P |
| 19:02.29 | Sirp | SRabbelier: it is? |
| 19:02.30 | lh | SRabbelier: they have to be 18 but yes |
| 19:02.33 | spectie | oh |
| 19:02.34 | SRabbelier | Catfish_Man: no, you have to meet teh age requirement |
| 19:02.35 | spectie | lol |
| 19:02.35 | Sirp | now I have two different answers. :) |
| 19:02.36 | spectie | i suck |
| 19:02.39 | SRabbelier | Catfish_Man: ^^^ |
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| 19:02.41 | Catfish_Man | !faq |
| 19:02.42 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 19:02.46 | alpaca | if im taking time off school to work and save money, that counts right? |
| 19:02.55 | lh | alpaca: no it does not |
| 19:02.58 | SRabbelier | alpaca: only if you're still enrolled |
| 19:03.04 | Catfish_Man | SRabbelier: "In order to participate in the program, you must be a student. Google defines a student as an individual enrolled in or accepted into an accredited institution including (but not necessarily limited to) colleges, universities, masters programs, PhD programs and undergraduate programs." |
| 19:03.10 | alpaca | im only taking one quarter off, im not sure how enrollment works. |
| 19:03.12 | Catfish_Man | I'm not aware of many, if any, accredited high schools |
| 19:03.29 | SRabbelier | lh: please to explains |
| 19:03.35 | p_l | Catfish_Man: I guess it's a problem with translation |
| 19:03.43 | SRabbelier | lh: (you said you'd update the faq earlier?) |
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| 19:04.08 | Sirp | what does 'accredited' mean? Is this a term that is internationally well defined? |
| 19:04.10 | lh | SRabbelier: faq is updated |
| 19:04.17 | lh | Sirp: yes it is, please to use wikipedia |
| 19:04.29 | SRabbelier | lh: it doesn't mention "high schools" though, right? |
| 19:04.35 | p_l | In polish, "High School" would be translated actually as "Middle School" (until recently, there was also no "grade/middle/high school", only "elementary" and "middle") |
| 19:04.41 | alpaca | note that this does not apply to me, but what about high school graduates attending schol in the fall? (assuming they were accepted) |
| 19:04.44 | lh | folsk, some of you will see the register to become a student link now, if not wait a moment for the app to update |
| 19:04.57 | Catfish_Man | lh: at the moment it seems like you and the FAQ don't agree. Some clarification would be nice so I know what to tell people |
| 19:04.59 | lh | SRabbelier: no it does not, mostly to avoid confusion which is clearly not working. most high school students are not 18 |
| 19:05.02 | p_l | while "high" would mean university :) |
| 19:05.08 | lh | right |
| 19:05.09 | dho_plan9 | If you don't see it after then, feel free to storm lh's office. |
| 19:05.13 | lh | Catfish_Man: looking at the faq now |
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| 19:05.17 | SRabbelier | lh: meh, ok :) |
| 19:05.23 | stathis | how does google check the authenticity of the certification from the university ? |
| 19:05.31 | dho_plan9 | very carefully. |
| 19:05.38 | Lennie | they google it |
| 19:05.43 | SRabbelier | lmao |
| 19:05.44 | stathis | lol:) |
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| 19:05.59 | lh | wil do |
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| 19:06.04 | SRabbelier | they has a huge list with people who have been naughty and submitteded a false school :P |
| 19:06.10 | p_l | is already somewhere in google databases anyway :P |
| 19:06.12 | Lennie | they get that list from Santa :) |
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| 19:06.19 | SRabbelier | Lennie: indeed! |
| 19:06.59 | SRabbelier | p_l: aren't we all |
| 19:07.08 | stathis | seriously though, does the certificate need some sorf of validation ? |
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| 19:07.24 | Chainsaw | stathis: It will be verified. |
| 19:07.25 | p_l | SRabbelier: I mean ourside of search system and google accounts etc. :) |
| 19:07.31 | Chainsaw | stathis: But you don't have to do that work. |
| 19:07.41 | lh | we're live folks |
| 19:07.47 | stathis | Chainsaw, nice, thanks :) |
| 19:07.48 | dho_plan9 | Speak for yourself. |
| 19:07.49 | SRabbelier | lh: we are indeed, sweet! |
| 19:07.51 | lh | make sure you have created site wide user profile, then apply apply apply apply |
| 19:07.52 | lh | http://socghop.appspot.com/student/apply/google/gsoc2009 |
| 19:07.52 | dho_plan9 | long day, I'm pretty dead |
| 19:08.00 | dho_plan9 | (But seriously, yay) |
| 19:08.25 | xushaw_ | Garfeild, hi) |
| 19:08.35 | Sirp | lh: so sorry I didn't find anything on Wikipedia which really tells me -- are we saying that high school students are ineligible, even if over 18? |
| 19:08.39 | lh | grrrr |
| 19:08.41 | lh | Sirp: not now |
| 19:08.52 | lh | and no that is *not* what i told you |
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| 19:09.13 | Sirp | lh: sorry, I meant I looked at Wikipedia to try to find a definition of 'accredited' but couldn't find one. |
| 19:09.14 | Garfeild | xushaw_: hi! ) |
| 19:09.24 | oguz | Sirp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_accreditation |
| 19:09.28 | Sirp | lh: anyhow, no problem, I will check back later (if this student even seems seriously interested anyhow) |
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| 19:09.39 | lh | Sirp: if you give me ten minutes i can attend to this |
| 19:09.40 | *** topic/#gsoc by lh -> Students, apply now! Help Needed with Melange Testing http://tinyurl.com/testmelange - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide - Updated Flyers & Program Presentations now the Wiki - Upload your screen casts, etc. to our YouTube Channel (details on mentors and students list) - Help Us Test the GSoC 2009 site: http://tinyurl.com/melangetesters - This channel is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 19:10.05 | *** topic/#gsoc by lh -> Students, apply now! http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx - Help Needed with Melange Testing http://tinyurl.com/testmelange - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide - Updated Flyers & Program Presentations now the Wiki - Upload your screen casts, etc. to our YouTube Channel (details on mentors and students list) - Help Us Test the GSoC 2009 site: http://tinyurl.com/melangetesters - This channel is logged at http://ibot.riker |
| 19:10.28 | *** part/#gsoc dini (n=amila@124.43.77.68) |
| 19:10.32 | *** topic/#gsoc by SRabbelier -> Students, apply now! http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx - Help Needed with Melange Testing http://tinyurl.com/testmelange - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide - Updated Flyers & Program Presentations now the Wiki - Upload your screen casts, etc. to our YouTube Channel (details on mentors and students list) - This channel is logged at http://ibot.riker |
| 19:10.40 | *** topic/#gsoc by SRabbelier -> Students, apply now! http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx - Help Needed with Melange Testing http://tinyurl.com/testmelange - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide - Updated Flyers & Program Presentations now the Wiki - Upload your screen casts, etc. to our YouTube Channel (details on mentors and students list) - This channel is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 19:10.47 | SRabbelier | lh: there, fixed that for ya |
| 19:10.58 | lh | SRabbelier: fixed what the home page? |
| 19:11.14 | dberkholz | heh, i'm in france so i was confused why we hadn't gotten any apps by noon. |
| 19:11.14 | SRabbelier | lh: removed the double link to melange testing, and added the full link to channel log |
| 19:11.20 | dberkholz | forgot about the time zone thing. |
| 19:11.56 | dho_plan9 | !orgs_by_lang |
| 19:11.56 | socinfo | Error: "orgs_by_lang" is not a valid command. |
| 19:11.57 | lh | SRabbelier: thank you |
| 19:12.01 | scorche|sh | !orgbylang |
| 19:12.02 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 19:12.03 | dho_plan9 | Shit, what was that trigger |
| 19:12.04 | dho_plan9 | thanks. |
| 19:12.11 | lh | kicks tinymce and slow caching on app engine |
| 19:12.28 | SRabbelier | lh: :( |
| 19:12.31 | SRabbelier | lh: what's wrong? |
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| 19:12.53 | dho_plan9 | Oh, good. Someone put Plan 9 in, I don't have to. |
| 19:12.53 | lh | SRabbelier: nothing now. it's just that if you update something in a document, it does not get corrected in public view for like 3 mins |
| 19:12.54 | Chainsaw | dberkholz: Yeah, I was wondering why the floodgates hadn't opened yet. I just remembered "Monday" somehow. |
| 19:12.55 | lh | mrph. |
| 19:12.58 | lh | so anyway |
| 19:13.00 | lh | we are live |
| 19:13.03 | lh | hallelujah |
| 19:13.05 | lh | brb |
| 19:13.19 | dho_plan9 | * lh goes to have a binge-drinking celebration party |
| 19:13.24 | sivaji | hi lut4rp |
| 19:13.25 | HanzZ | hm |
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| 19:13.33 | summatusmentis | ugh... I'm so behind on everything |
| 19:13.38 | HanzZ | just wanted to ask her a question |
| 19:13.46 | lut4rp | sivaji, yo |
| 19:14.14 | sivaji | lut4rp, pm ? |
| 19:14.19 | p_l | the question might be stupid, but should I use ASCII-only for data in profile? :D |
| 19:14.23 | lut4rp | sivaji, sure. quick one. |
| 19:14.34 | Lennie | p_l, address yes the rest should be UTF-8 :) |
| 19:14.34 | SRabbelier | p_l: indeed, it tells you in the help text whether you can |
| 19:14.53 | p_l | SRabbelier: just noticed the help text |
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| 19:14.58 | SRabbelier | p_l: :P |
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| 19:16.14 | p_l | SRabbelier: happens when you browse www using keyboard :) |
| 19:16.29 | SRabbelier | p_l: ah, I see |
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| 19:17.02 | gloob | lower ascii it say |
| 19:17.08 | tntcoda | starts writing apps :) |
| 19:17.31 | koryk | is in class - don't tell my teacher! |
| 19:17.42 | gloob | this year a mentor cannot be a student ? |
| 19:18.02 | summatusmentis | gloob: the mentor is allowed to be a student, but they can't participate as a student as well as a mentor |
| 19:18.05 | noy | lh: I've been tasked by Sirp to figure out the eligibility of this potential applicant, so if you can assist me that would be appreciated. |
| 19:18.11 | HanzZ | Can I have question about application? It's about Education part of application. I'm studying grammar school and this part of application seems to be created for people attented the university. I for example don't know to write as "major subject", or "expected graduation year". Thanks for your response |
| 19:18.11 | l0nwlf | what do we mean by 'school' : is it school where we completed class XII or is it present Engineering college from where i'm doing graduation ? |
| 19:18.14 | Chainsaw | gloob: Mentors do not get paid. |
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| 19:18.23 | Chainsaw | gloob: That's the short & sweet summary. |
| 19:18.24 | gloob | Chainsaw: and ? |
| 19:18.34 | AlekSi | 1900 is default year in calendar? :D |
| 19:18.38 | HanzZ | *what to write |
| 19:19.01 | gloob | summatusmentis: that's weird |
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| 19:19.10 | Lennie | AlekSi, yeah we love oldschool :D. Anyhow that has been fixed but patch has not been applied yet :P |
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| 19:19.19 | p_l | HanzZ: Does grammar school count as higher education? |
| 19:19.19 | Chainsaw | gloob: So basically you can't have it both ways. You're a student and you're coding and you're a mentor. |
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| 19:19.33 | Chainsaw | gloob: So basically you can't have it both ways. You're a student and you're coding *or* you're a mentor. |
| 19:19.33 | SRabbelier | gloob: it's always been that way |
| 19:19.36 | Chainsaw | I need to learn to type. |
| 19:19.49 | gloob | Chainsaw: by your reasoning never exists mentors :P |
| 19:20.04 | dho_plan9 | gloob: No, you just seem to be confused. |
| 19:20.05 | Chainsaw | gloob: That's why I corrected that sentence. |
| 19:20.13 | HanzZ | p_l: lh said I can participate, so I suppose it does :) |
| 19:20.20 | stathis | lol, reading the terms of service. Lawyers are funny people. |
| 19:20.27 | SRabbelier | stathis: why's that? :P |
| 19:20.29 | Chainsaw | gloob: Mentors don't need to be students. Neither do project admins. |
| 19:20.31 | toad_ | what should an org home page look like? |
| 19:20.34 | HanzZ | I maybe wait for her |
| 19:20.44 | SRabbelier | toad_: whatever you want |
| 19:20.47 | Chainsaw | toad_: It should be both shiny and informative. |
| 19:20.50 | toad_ | mentors can't be students, and project admins definitely can't be students |
| 19:20.51 | *** part/#gsoc sabotage1 (n=Shikha_A@proxy.iiit.ac.in) |
| 19:20.52 | SRabbelier | toad_: anything that is helpful to the studetns applying |
| 19:20.59 | toad_ | hmmm |
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| 19:21.07 | toad_ | we have a wiki page that is sort of to that purpose... |
| 19:21.10 | cpayan | Does anyone else wish that gsoc mentoring orgs could be sorted by language? |
| 19:21.16 | borja | !orgbylang |
| 19:21.16 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 19:21.17 | toad_ | are there any examples? |
| 19:21.22 | cpayan | kudos |
| 19:21.32 | p_l | heh, good thing I noticed that I had JS disabled for appspot :D |
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| 19:21.57 | cpayan | borja, you're a hero. Thank you VERY much. |
| 19:22.17 | lh | ok |
| 19:22.25 | lh | Sirp: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3A+accredited&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= |
| 19:22.26 | borja | cpayan: I didn't come up with the list ;-) Thanks go to everyone who's been tagging projects on that delicious account |
| 19:22.29 | lh | someone else wanted something |
| 19:22.31 | lh | who was it/ |
| 19:22.32 | lh | ? |
| 19:22.44 | dho_plan9 | HanzZ had some question for you about what to fill in for his school |
| 19:22.50 | SRabbelier | lh: HanZ i think |
| 19:22.51 | danderson | okay, that's it |
| 19:22.52 | stathis | in phone number, we don't need to prepend the + sign right ? (at least the example doesn't have any) |
| 19:22.53 | harlan | I want you to have a great day... |
| 19:22.55 | danderson | http://go.natulte.net/goinghome |
| 19:22.59 | cpayan | Fair enough. A general thanks to all of them, too, then |
| 19:23.00 | cpayan | :) |
| 19:23.03 | lh | HanzZ: sup? |
| 19:23.10 | Chainsaw | stathis: I later edited my organisation and was told to remove it because it wasn't numeric. |
| 19:23.12 | oguz | stathis: i used 00 for + |
| 19:23.16 | lh | stathis: that's in the user guide section for students |
| 19:23.17 | Chainsaw | stathis: So I settled for 0044 instead of +44. |
| 19:23.21 | lh | !userguide |
| 19:23.21 | socinfo | "userguide" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
| 19:23.25 | HanzZ | hi, lh |
| 19:23.27 | stathis | Thanks all |
| 19:23.27 | HanzZ | It's about Education part of application. I'm studying grammar school and this part of application seems to be created for people attented the university. I for example don't know to write as "major subject", or "expected graduation year". Thanks for your response |
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| 19:23.54 | lh | HanzZ: major subject - what do you want to study in university? put that in or just put in n/a |
| 19:23.56 | jetru | Hey |
| 19:24.09 | lh | HanzZ: assuming you will go to university next, what year would you graduate? put taht in |
| 19:24.12 | gloob | stathis: the system automatically convert + to 00 |
| 19:24.15 | lh | will update this in the user guide |
| 19:24.21 | gloob | stathis: melange guys did a good work |
| 19:24.23 | HanzZ | lh: thanks |
| 19:24.26 | lh | gloob: darn skippy |
| 19:24.36 | lh | HanzZ: thanks, good to know where we need to clarify |
| 19:24.49 | SRabbelier | gloob: tnq |
| 19:25.04 | jetru | I'm an Indian Citizen with an American PR. I will be staying in the USA for about two months during the SoC period. I'm going to put my Indian address in the SoC details. This is fine, right? |
| 19:25.09 | lh | and we are live on the official google blog too! |
| 19:25.09 | lh | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/supporting-students-in-open-source.html |
| 19:25.13 | SRabbelier | the + is now converted to 00 for your convenience btw :P |
| 19:25.13 | harlan | Isn't using 00 a country-specific thing? |
| 19:25.25 | SRabbelier | lh: oh dear, here comes the traffic... |
| 19:25.28 | lh | jetru: it's fine as long as you have both US and Indian work authorization |
| 19:25.37 | jetru | lh: I do! Thanks :) |
| 19:25.37 | toad_ | will our students see our profile (IRC channel etc) alongside our home page, or do we need to duplicate it all? |
| 19:26.21 | gloob | SRabbelier: the party is starting :D |
| 19:26.22 | PearlJam | uh, what about the link ID? can anyone tell me what that is? |
| 19:26.23 | SRabbelier | toad_: either duplicate it, or link to your public profile |
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| 19:26.49 | lh | will brb |
| 19:26.52 | gloob | PearlJam: your unique id to identify uris you produce |
| 19:26.56 | SRabbelier | gloob: traffic is within reasonable borders atm :P |
| 19:27.04 | gloob | SRabbelier: yep |
| 19:27.04 | Lennie | PearlJam: use pearljam if you wish |
| 19:27.06 | lh | if any other questions come up that should be clarified in the documentation, let me know when i return please |
| 19:27.19 | borja | PearlJam: the Link ID is explained in the user guide |
| 19:27.21 | borja | !userguide |
| 19:27.21 | socinfo | "userguide" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
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| 19:27.26 | kstar | is surprised that activity is much lower than what he expected |
| 19:27.32 | l0nwlf | SRabbelier: it's slow i think |
| 19:27.36 | SRabbelier | kstar: we're getting 20QPS :) |
| 19:27.39 | gloob | borja: are you spanish ? |
| 19:27.40 | SRabbelier | l0nwlf: what is slow? |
| 19:27.46 | summatusmentis | gloob: he is |
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| 19:27.56 | summatusmentis | s/he/she(?)/ |
| 19:28.01 | borja | summatusmentis: he :-) |
| 19:28.07 | l0nwlf | SRabbelier: registration as a student |
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| 19:28.11 | gloob | borja: we have a spanish gsoc channel if you want to join |
| 19:28.13 | SRabbelier | l0nwlf: how so? |
| 19:28.14 | borja | summatusmentis: It's one of the few Spanish male names that ends with an 'a' |
| 19:28.14 | kstar | SRabbelier: Ouch |
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| 19:28.31 | SRabbelier | kstar: AppEngine is handling it just fine :) |
| 19:28.36 | summatusmentis | borja: I feel like there was someone here who people assumed was male, and she turned out to be female, and I thought it was you |
| 19:28.40 | summatusmentis | my apologies |
| 19:28.50 | gloob | borja: #spanish-gsoc |
| 19:28.53 | borja | gloob: good to know; but I live in the US and most of my GSoC-ing is done in English |
| 19:28.53 | SRabbelier | kstar: we're not even using 3% of our quota atm |
| 19:29.00 | gloob | summatusmentis: borja is a male spanish name ;) |
| 19:29.02 | p_l | will it be a problem if country code of my phone number is different from the country I'm staying in? (I've got two different phones, one with roaming) |
| 19:29.08 | kstar | SRabbelier: Oh, that's really cool |
| 19:29.19 | SRabbelier | kstar: cudo's to GAE ;) |
| 19:29.22 | borja | summatusmentis: No need to apologize :-) |
| 19:29.24 | l0nwlf | SRabbelier: because i had filled the form and waiting to get registered |
| 19:29.44 | SRabbelier | l0nwlf: /me checks latency |
| 19:29.46 | summatusmentis | gloob: I'm not familiar with spanish names, and I pretend I'm familiar with spanish |
| 19:29.47 | borja | summatusmentis: I get gender confusion all the time here in the US, since most people assume that Spanish names ending in 'a' must be female |
| 19:29.50 | ahuillet | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.50 | ahuillet | Birth date: (required) |
| 19:29.52 | gloob | borja: ok (por si quieres reencontrarte con las raices :)) |
| 19:29.58 | homunq | knows several "Jose Maria"s. Male. "Maria Jose" on the other hand is female. |
| 19:30.00 | ahuillet | lh: the format isn't explicitely stated |
| 19:30.02 | SRabbelier | l0nwlf: average ms/request is still at 1s |
| 19:30.13 | ahuillet | lh: I suggest you modify the form so it says what format data has to be entered in :) |
| 19:30.15 | gloob | homunq: yes :D |
| 19:30.25 | p_l | ahuillet: enable js |
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| 19:31.04 | l0nwlf | SRabbelier: well then , me case is the one who increases the average |
| 19:31.12 | homunq | gloob: I think borja actually has deeper roots than that... basque, right? |
| 19:31.17 | ahuillet | p_l : right, not a bug, just an ergonomical mistake then |
| 19:31.18 | l0nwlf | s/me/mine |
| 19:31.30 | summatusmentis | gloob: de donde eres? |
| 19:31.33 | ahuillet | p_l: I mean nobobdy needs a calendar to enter his birthdate |
| 19:31.34 | p_l | ahuillet: I had the same problem :D |
| 19:31.36 | SRabbelier | l0nwlf: hehe, fair enough ;) |
| 19:31.47 | borja | homunq: yes, although I think given the number of students who are coming in asking GSoC questions, we should defer discussion of Spanish+Basque roots to later ;-) |
| 19:31.48 | SRabbelier | l0nwlf: it's actually s/me/my/ btw :) |
| 19:31.49 | ahuillet | and thanks for letting me know, I have a feeling we're not gonna be the only ones :) |
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| 19:31.54 | gloob | summatusmentis: english here join #spanish-gsoc ;) |
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| 19:32.05 | summatusmentis | gloob: *sigh* fine |
| 19:32.10 | Lennie | ahuillet: We are aware of that, you can use YYYY-MM-DD format or the US format MM/DD/YYYY :) |
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| 19:32.26 | ahuillet | :) |
| 19:32.37 | SRabbelier | Lennie: although you can't actually type the YYYY-MM-DD format atm due to the date picker being a PITA :P |
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| 19:32.41 | p_l | Can I later amend my student profile, like changing address (I'm pretty sure I'll live at different address in few months from now)? |
| 19:32.43 | l0nwlf | SRabbelier: apologies :) |
| 19:32.48 | Lennie | p_l yes |
| 19:32.49 | SRabbelier | l0nwlf: what for? :) |
| 19:32.51 | ajuonline|gsd | summatusmentis: yo! |
| 19:32.53 | gloob | summatusmentis: anyway, i'm from huelva, very near to seville, andalucia, spain :P |
| 19:32.54 | SRabbelier | p_l: yes |
| 19:33.00 | summatusmentis | how're you ajuonline|gsd ? |
| 19:33.08 | ajuonline|gsd | summatusmentis: fun fun fun! :P |
| 19:33.09 | summatusmentis | gloob: I'm studying in seville next fall semester |
| 19:33.12 | SRabbelier | gloob, summatusmentis: please take this discussion elsewehre for the moment |
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| 19:33.29 | SRabbelier | gloob, summatusmentis: so that we can help people that are having trouble applying as student |
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| 19:33.37 | summatusmentis | SRabbelier: absolutely, sorry |
| 19:33.51 | devvrat | what a traffic!!! |
| 19:34.07 | SRabbelier | whow, already 11 student applications |
| 19:34.19 | SRabbelier | people are eager to get started! |
| 19:34.24 | ajuonline|gsd | so it has started? |
| 19:34.27 | ajuonline|gsd | hmmm |
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| 19:34.59 | SRabbelier | ajuonline|gsd: yes it has |
| 19:35.00 | SRabbelier | !next |
| 19:35.01 | socinfo | "next" is March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. See http://tinyurl.com/d96n6d for different timezones. See http://tinyurl.com/de4q2b for a countdown. |
| 19:35.02 | homunq | SRabbelier: is that overall, or for one org? |
| 19:35.06 | SRabbelier | socinfo: forget next |
| 19:35.06 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 19:35.09 | SRabbelier | homunq: overall |
| 19:35.17 | atul15 | How should one go for making patch in product? |
| 19:35.17 | lh | ahuillet: you are supposed to use the calendar widget :) |
| 19:35.20 | bhy | counts my one :) |
| 19:35.22 | lh | ahuillet: calendar widget ftw! |
| 19:35.37 | SRabbelier | socinfo: learn next as Student application period has now started, Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx ! |
| 19:35.38 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 19:36.47 | SRabbelier | thinks it's a good idea to give people a link to the documentation explaining how to apply, rather than a direct link.. |
| 19:37.19 | lh | SRabbelier: good call. |
| 19:37.46 | alpaca | SRabbelier: i feel as though i should be eligible, but who can i talk to about technicalities of my enrollment? |
| 19:37.57 | dho_plan9 | points to lh |
| 19:38.00 | alpaca | the school, probably, i guess. |
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| 19:38.07 | borja | !ask |
| 19:38.07 | socinfo | "ask" is don't ask to ask, just ask! |
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| 19:38.35 | alpaca | if you're talking to me, i did already |
| 19:38.44 | p_l | ok, student profile registered, netbsd images downloaded, time to go home and send applications :) |
| 19:38.55 | lh | alpaca: what is your question? |
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| 19:39.04 | jetru | its normal to change a proposal after its submitted?? |
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| 19:39.09 | alpaca | im not sure how eligible i am. i feel as though i should be but technically i might not be. |
| 19:39.12 | Lennie | jetru yes |
| 19:39.13 | lh | Catfish_Man: updated the faq to say it is OK to be enrolled in pre-university educational program |
| 19:39.16 | SRabbelier | jetru: it's possible, yes |
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| 19:39.20 | oguz | congrats to the guys at melange, application worked like a breeze |
| 19:39.20 | lh | alpaca: so what is your particular case? |
| 19:39.26 | Lennie | jetru, proposals are usually revised 3 times before they are final :) |
| 19:39.29 | alpaca | i am still attending my university, just not this quarter |
| 19:39.32 | SRabbelier | oguz: thank you, all credits go to Lennie |
| 19:39.34 | Catfish_Man | lh: thank you :) |
| 19:39.47 | Lennie | credits go to SRabbelier and solydzajs ^_^ |
| 19:39.48 | jetru | oh good. :) I feel rather squeamish about mine. :D |
| 19:39.52 | lh | all hail Lennie, solydzajs, SRabbelier, durin42, mithro, danderson |
| 19:39.55 | alpaca | i didnt get kicked out, i am in good standing with them, and i intend to attend in the fall. |
| 19:39.57 | lh | Catfish_Man: np. |
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| 19:40.20 | alpaca | my parents' financial situation has forced me to take time off and work so that i can pay for school again in the fall. |
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| 19:40.29 | lh | alpaca: can you get a document from your university stating that you are enrolled as a student? if you can, then you are fine. if they would not give you such a letter, then no you are not eligible. |
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| 19:40.32 | alpaca | and that would suck if that makes me uneligible :( |
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| 19:40.42 | lh | alpaca: see above. |
| 19:40.55 | alpaca | yeah. ill give them a call. thanks. |
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| 19:41.12 | SRabbelier | lh: how about adding after "pre-university educational program" something like (aka "High School") |
| 19:41.51 | lh | SRabbelier: high school means something different in different places, as does secondary school. global program makes wording very very hard |
| 19:42.00 | SRabbelier | lh: :( |
| 19:42.21 | SRabbelier | lh: we need an ISO standard for this! :P |
| 19:42.33 | lh | SRabbelier: truly. |
| 19:42.48 | toad_ | are there any essential elements we must have in a project homepage document? links to allow students to apply for us etc? |
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| 19:43.00 | SRabbelier | toad_: nothing is required |
| 19:43.24 | SRabbelier | toad_: but you can, if you want to, include a direct link for students to apply to your org, or such |
| 19:43.38 | toad_ | how would i find out what that link is? |
| 19:44.07 | oguz | toad_: what is your organization? |
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| 19:44.34 | oguz | toad_: i'll try to apply to your organization and give you the link :) |
| 19:44.49 | Lennie | yeah toad_ can't reach that link because he apparently is an org_admin ^_^ |
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| 19:45.43 | SRabbelier | is on it |
| 19:46.10 | SRabbelier | toad_: nvm, you can't |
| 19:46.16 | SRabbelier | toad_: as the link is different per student |
| 19:46.34 | SRabbelier | Lennie: I still think the proposals should have been scoped under the org rather than student |
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| 19:46.54 | Lennie | hmm |
| 19:47.06 | SRabbelier | Lennie: that way the link would be http://socghop.appspot.com/student_proposal/apply/google/gsoc2009/melange, rather than http://socghop.appspot.com/student_proposal/apply/google/gsoc2009/srabbelier?organization=melange |
| 19:47.08 | alpaca | this is disappointing. im not going to be able to participate :( |
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| 19:47.17 | SRabbelier | alpaca: sad to hear that |
| 19:47.22 | alpaca | me too. |
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| 19:47.44 | PearlJam | there was an option in my mentoring organzation to submit a link to external info, |
| 19:47.48 | SRabbelier | alpaca: perhaps next year |
| 19:47.52 | PearlJam | now it is not showing up? any idea? |
| 19:47.53 | l0nwlf | there is a BUG in registration page |
| 19:47.55 | alpaca | its too bad that a lack of money is causing me to lose out on this opportunity :( |
| 19:47.59 | alpaca | SRabbelier: yeah thats what im thinking too. |
| 19:47.59 | Lennie | SRabbelier: we should keep that in mind when GSoC is over and then just write a few scripts to fix datastore ^_^ |
| 19:48.01 | SRabbelier | l0nwlf: oh dear, what's that? |
| 19:48.09 | lh | !advice |
| 19:48.09 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
| 19:48.24 | SRabbelier | Lennie: you actually agree with me? lol :D |
| 19:48.26 | eeanm | alpaca: erm how can lack of money make you lose out on a job? |
| 19:48.28 | SRabbelier | Lennie: how rare! |
| 19:48.36 | Erant | Lennie: Say w0t? |
| 19:48.42 | Erant | Don't encourage him. |
| 19:48.43 | Lennie | Erant: hush |
| 19:48.45 | alpaca | eeanm: can't attend school this spring because of financial issues. |
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| 19:48.46 | SRabbelier | eeanm: not being in school due to not having the money to pay for it |
| 19:48.52 | l0nwlf | SRabbelier: If we fill wrong info like if we missschool name for example it takes forever to load , it didn't give error . When we stop it then it shows there is error |
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| 19:49.01 | SecretFile | hi ppl |
| 19:49.06 | eeanm | alpaca: but you're attending in the fall? that should be good enough I think |
| 19:49.13 | SRabbelier | l0nwlf: What error exactly? |
| 19:49.24 | alpaca | thats what i thought,but i called my university and they said they won't tell someone im enrolled, until the fall. |
| 19:49.24 | Erant | 500, most likely. |
| 19:49.29 | SRabbelier | Erant: :( |
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| 19:49.38 | Erant | That's what it says when it doesn't like you :( |
| 19:49.45 | alpaca | thats why this is so confusing to me. i feel like google should make an exception for me if they accept hs students who graduate this summer. |
| 19:49.47 | lh | alpaca: sorry to hear that, better try again next year. |
| 19:49.48 | eeanm | alpaca: can't your university tell someone that you're enrolled for the fall? |
| 19:49.51 | SRabbelier | Erant: that's what it says when you're trying to hack us! :P |
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| 19:50.00 | alpaca | would that be a possibility? |
| 19:50.03 | Erant | SRabbelier: Same difference, imho. ;) |
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| 19:50.12 | eeanm | I dunno, its your university thats being unreasonable not google |
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| 19:50.18 | SRabbelier | Erant: one implies the other, yes :P |
| 19:50.29 | alpaca | i suppose so. no attack meant on google :P |
| 19:50.41 | l0nwlf | SRabbelier: When i missed 2 parameters and i clicked <submit> button it didn't tell me that parameters are missing or there is error : the page seemed as if it was loading : and it was taking infinite time to load .However when i stopped it and filled the required info correctly i got registered ! |
| 19:50.44 | lh | alpaca: you need documentation from your university stating that you are enrolled as of april 20, 2009. |
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| 19:51.01 | SRabbelier | l0nwlf: that's not normal behavior ;) |
| 19:51.03 | SRabbelier | l0nwlf: probably a timeout |
| 19:51.08 | SRabbelier | l0nwlf: normally the fields will light up in red |
| 19:51.19 | l0nwlf | SRabbelier: basically if something _compulsory_ was missing it should warn me about |
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| 19:51.25 | SRabbelier | l0nwlf: it does |
| 19:51.29 | SRabbelier | ll0nwlf: what's your link_id? |
| 19:51.35 | miloops_ | hi! |
| 19:51.43 | eeanm | lh: incoming students are allowed though right? so as of 4/20 he's enrolled for the fall semester is ok. |
| 19:51.48 | l0nwlf | SRabbelier: well it was taking forever to load thats why iu asked you about the registration time |
| 19:52.03 | PearlJam | 500 for me to |
| 19:52.09 | SRabbelier | l0nwlf: right, if you tell me your link_id I can check if you were indeed getting an error |
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| 19:52.12 | l0nwlf | SRabbelier: l0nwlf |
| 19:52.16 | pinochet | hi |
| 19:52.26 | SecretFile | is there any application form for gosc? |
| 19:52.35 | borja | !faq |
| 19:52.35 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 19:52.46 | SRabbelier | SecretFile: question does not parse |
| 19:52.46 | koryk | SecretFile: there are individual application forms |
| 19:52.54 | miloops | I have a question: I have taken all my exams i need to start working on my thesis, am i eligible for GSoC? |
| 19:53.13 | SecretFile | where i need to send my application, that information i can't find anyware |
| 19:53.18 | kblin | miloops: are you enrolled as of april 20th? |
| 19:53.21 | SecretFile | it's my first time on gosc |
| 19:53.32 | borja | SecretFile: Take a look at the FAQ document |
| 19:53.32 | borja | !faq |
| 19:53.33 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 19:53.36 | Acony | !timeline |
| 19:53.37 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 19:53.40 | hypa7ia | SRabbelier: just a suggestion, "question does not parse" is unlikely to get your meaning across to students who are already struggling with english |
| 19:54.00 | SRabbelier | hypa7ia: fair enough |
| 19:54.23 | hypa7ia | SRabbelier: "i don't understand your question" might be easier :) |
| 19:54.30 | oguz | SRabbelier: the answer might be somewhere around but does melange have a bugzilla where we can write down thing like this? |
| 19:54.33 | SRabbelier | hypa7ia: but less fun ;) |
| 19:54.41 | Erant | Though, to be fair, most opensource projects are in english... |
| 19:54.46 | SRabbelier | oguz: yes, you can create a http://tinyurl.com/new-issue on our tracker |
| 19:55.00 | rvmiller | Question: I'm a freshman in CS (since August 2008). Can I handle GSOC? |
| 19:55.04 | hypa7ia | SRabbelier: if by "fun" you mean "completely unproductive" :p |
| 19:55.04 | jetru | Whens the letter from university required? is it ok if i submit it towards the end of soc(holidays and all) |
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| 19:55.29 | SRabbelier | Erant: indeed, I would think that being skilled in Enlgish is kind of a requirement to be successful in communicating around these parts |
| 19:55.29 | Erant | rvmiller: Can you handle GSoC? Look at a few of the ideas. |
| 19:55.33 | SRabbelier | hypa7ia: at times, yes :D |
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| 19:55.43 | miloops | kblin: i need to be enrolled to do my thesis, but i'm not on any class |
| 19:55.53 | SRabbelier | miloops: then you are elligible |
| 19:55.53 | borja | rvmiller: lh wrote a post about this: http://www.hawthornlandings.org/ |
| 19:56.07 | pinochet | I have some question ( which isn't in faq ;-) ) |
| 19:56.08 | rvmiller | thanks guys |
| 19:56.29 | hypa7ia | Erant, SRabbelier: while people obviously need a certain level of english skills to participate, we don't need to set up unecessary barriers to those whose english isn't perfect |
| 19:56.32 | oguz | !ask |
| 19:56.32 | socinfo | "ask" is don't ask to ask, just ask! |
| 19:56.49 | koryk | rvmiller: your position in school does not necesarilly dictate your skill - if you want to know if you have what it takes for a certain project, try talking to the mentor or someone from the organization |
| 19:57.18 | PearlJam | question: is my student proposal list private entirely? or visible to mentors / admin? |
| 19:57.19 | rvmiller | koryk: So first step --> find a project? |
| 19:57.31 | borja | PearlJam: visible to mentors and admins |
| 19:57.33 | Erant | rvmiller: Also, task that initially seem daunting might not be so daunting when you try them |
| 19:57.37 | Erant | tasks* |
| 19:57.42 | Catfish_Man | or vice versa |
| 19:57.53 | borja | PearlJam: but only of the organization you've applied to |
| 19:57.55 | Erant | Unfortunatly, very true ;) |
| 19:58.05 | Tijs | Hey All, :) |
| 19:58.21 | hypa7ia | PearlJam: if there is a conflict between two accepted projects, we resolve those in a meeting at the end |
| 19:58.28 | koryk | rvmiller: most mentors don't expect you to know everything that is required for you to complete your project when you apply - it is supposed to be a learning experience. |
| 19:58.29 | hypa7ia | so no matter what you only get one project :) |
| 19:58.55 | rvmiller | excellent, I think it sounds like the perfect way to learn |
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| 19:59.13 | pinochet | oguz ok ;-) so: Oficially work starting at may 26th but it is the hotest period in my school so i want to do some work earlier, but in this period (21.04 - 26.05) I should get knowledge about my project and community |
| 19:59.17 | taziden | hi all |
| 19:59.17 | Tijs | Quick note: The 'submitting an application' link on the GSoC site doesn't actually link to the application to submit a proposal, but links to the application to subscribe as a student. |
| 19:59.48 | caden_ | when you submit your application, who can see it? i want to put a username/password to my portfolio, which is not for general consumption |
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| 20:00.07 | borja | caden_: the mentors and admins of the organization you apply to will be able to see your application |
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| 20:00.09 | pxia | Tijs: in general, the GSOC website is terribly designed |
| 20:00.09 | caden_ | as a student, i mean |
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| 20:00.21 | caden_ | borja: and only them? because that would be fine |
| 20:00.24 | Tijs | pxia: :P - ok. |
| 20:00.25 | gloob | pxia: you can offer your skills |
| 20:00.31 | pinochet | is the period 26.05 - 17.08 is time when i should only coding or also can i do some class schemas and specifications and plan of my feture work? |
| 20:00.33 | dhaun | pxia: that's a bit harsh, hmm? |
| 20:00.33 | rvmiller | borja: lol, just found my question in that blog entry |
| 20:00.44 | borja | rvmiller: we get that question a lot :-) |
| 20:01.20 | stathis | pxia +1 from me |
| 20:01.55 | borja | caden_: I think only them (presumably, the Google admins can also see them). I think only the abstract is world-viewable |
| 20:02.39 | caden_ | borja: thanks! |
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| 20:04.58 | pxia | Tijs: I'm so confused about this website. none of the links go where I think they go |
| 20:05.01 | pxia | where's the actual link? |
| 20:05.20 | PearlJam | borja: rephrasing. proposals of project X wil be viewable to mentors of project Y? |
| 20:05.42 | Lennie | PearlJam, no |
| 20:05.44 | pxia | oh, I see, it's not under 'user' |
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| 20:05.49 | Tijs | pxia: It's at the bottom left: 'Submit your Student Proposal' |
| 20:05.50 | borja | PearlJam: uhm, no... "Proposals made to project X will be viewable by mentors/admins of project X" |
| 20:05.51 | PearlJam | thanks. |
| 20:05.52 | lh | Tijs: subscribe or register? if to register as a student, that's a good thing(tm) |
| 20:05.57 | pxia | this is the best interface ever [/sarcasm] |
| 20:05.57 | Lennie | it's under GSoC 2009 pxia |
| 20:06.14 | pxia | what does 'create a new document' do anyway |
| 20:06.21 | Lennie | pxia, why would it need to be under user ^_^ |
| 20:06.28 | Lennie | it does what it says that it does |
| 20:06.52 | Tijs | lh: First you need to register as a student. Also see the users guide: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide#depth_students |
| 20:07.13 | lh | pxia: patches welcome dude. |
| 20:07.22 | c_plus_plus | If I will change colleges over the summer, Which school should I put in the School name field? |
| 20:07.23 | lh | stathis: same story |
| 20:07.23 | SRabbelier | pxia: well thanks... |
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| 20:07.28 | SRabbelier | pxia: what's so horrible about it? |
| 20:08.17 | SRabbelier | pxia: did you even bother reading teh documentation? |
| 20:08.24 | kblin | pff |
| 20:08.30 | pxia | SRabbelier: I did, but the site is not very intuitive |
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| 20:08.36 | kblin | pxia: you should have seen the old app |
| 20:08.39 | evely | hi guys, any officials from gsoc I can talk to? |
| 20:08.40 | pxia | SRabbelier: It seems that I need to click multiple times on wrong things until I get what's going on |
| 20:08.44 | borja | !ask |
| 20:08.44 | socinfo | "ask" is don't ask to ask, just ask! |
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| 20:08.56 | SRabbelier | pxia: The documentation is quite clear on what to do first |
| 20:09.00 | alpaca | i will comment that i didnt like the bubbles that give more details about a field. they got in the way. they would be great if they were off to the right in white space |
| 20:09.05 | SRabbelier | pxia: create a student profile, then submit yoru application |
| 20:09.08 | SRabbelier | pxia: it's not that hard |
| 20:09.11 | alpaca | other than that, i think its laid out well. it conveys all the information in a pretty organized form. |
| 20:09.18 | SRabbelier | alpaca: thank you :) |
| 20:09.18 | alpaca | i had no problem with it, simple and to the point. |
| 20:09.28 | SRabbelier | alpaca: we have a patch for that, we'll try to get it applied soon |
| 20:09.32 | Lennie | alpaca, those bubbles will be replaced soonish :) |
| 20:09.38 | alpaca | cool :D |
| 20:09.47 | borja | evely: just ask your question out loud and someone will answer :-) |
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| 20:10.03 | evely | please, anyone? i want to ask about an administrative problem, as a former participant...i need another copy for my diploma |
| 20:10.03 | SRabbelier | evely: and yes, there are officials from GSoC around :) |
| 20:10.09 | evely | ok, thanks :) |
| 20:10.12 | evely | maybe you can help |
| 20:10.14 | pxia | SRabbelier: I think one of the major problems, as Tijs pointed out, is that the 'submit a student application' link on http://socghop.appspot.com/ doesn't look to where it claims to |
| 20:10.32 | alpaca | so - now that im not eligible for SoC, i have to find an open source project to mess around with. |
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| 20:10.42 | pxia | err, link, rather |
| 20:10.48 | SRabbelier | pxia: so all your complaining about is the link on the front page? |
| 20:11.02 | SRabbelier | pxia: e.g., the one in the " Please make sure to review the User's Guide before submitting an application." sentence? |
| 20:11.03 | Lennie | valid point though pxia :D |
| 20:11.09 | borja | alpaca: some of the projects that were not accepted are still going to mentor students over the summer (as long as you don't mind not being paid over the summer) |
| 20:11.20 | kblin | alpaca: you could look for one of the projects that didn't make it into summer of code |
| 20:11.22 | borja | alpaca: but this is still in the works |
| 20:11.22 | alpaca | oh man, thatd be awesome. |
| 20:11.25 | SRabbelier | Lennie: is it? students need to apply to become a student first anyway |
| 20:11.31 | alpaca | having a mentor would be amazing. |
| 20:11.32 | evely | i am not sure who should I speak to about it....i really really need another copy (i lost the original) |
| 20:11.32 | toad_ | one or two may even pay for some students ... this has happened in the past |
| 20:11.34 | Lennie | SRabbelier: yeah but it says submit application :P |
| 20:11.38 | evely | any ideas what i should do? |
| 20:11.50 | alpaca | is there a list somewhere of mentors that were not accepted? |
| 20:11.54 | SRabbelier | evely: a copy of your GSoC2008 certificate? |
| 20:11.57 | evely | yep |
| 20:12.01 | ArthurLiu | hey toad_ : remember me ? :) |
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| 20:12.07 | SRabbelier | evely: mail lh@google.com for that I guess :) |
| 20:12.11 | toad_ | ArthurLiu: hey |
| 20:12.11 | evely | 2007 actually |
| 20:12.13 | borja | alpaca: lh is working on this; I think there will be an announcement about this in a few days |
| 20:12.16 | toad_ | ArthurLiu: you a student still? |
| 20:12.17 | alpaca | i have the next 6 months to do nothing (outside of my job) |
| 20:12.19 | SRabbelier | evely: doesn't matter :) |
| 20:12.22 | alpaca | awesome, thanks borja |
| 20:12.24 | ArthurLiu | na, I'm admining for Debian :) |
| 20:12.40 | toad_ | cool! |
| 20:12.40 | SRabbelier | pxia: well? |
| 20:12.41 | evely | ok, then, how can i get another one? |
| 20:12.47 | SRabbelier | evely: just mail her :) |
| 20:12.53 | evely | who? |
| 20:12.53 | SRabbelier | evely: lh will send you a new one I reckon :) |
| 20:12.55 | toad_ | student-come-admin is always great |
| 20:12.57 | evely | oh, leslie? |
| 20:12.58 | SRabbelier | evely: lh@google.com |
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| 20:13.05 | SRabbelier | evely: yup |
| 20:13.09 | evely | yep, i had forgotten the email |
| 20:13.10 | evely | thanks |
| 20:13.12 | pxia | SRabbelier: no, that, and the fact that i'm confused as to what code.google.com/soc has to do with the 2009 site, also, a great deal of links that I'm not sure what they do |
| 20:13.15 | SRabbelier | evely: no problem |
| 20:13.15 | kblin | evely: but expect her to be a bit busy right now |
| 20:13.16 | evely | :) |
| 20:13.20 | pxia | such as 'Create a new Document' |
| 20:13.20 | ArthurLiu | yeah, good contact with the students :) |
| 20:13.30 | SRabbelier | pxia: uhm, it creates a new document? |
| 20:13.31 | alpaca | pxia: those are for proposals |
| 20:13.40 | SRabbelier | alpaca: for documents in general actually :) |
| 20:13.45 | evely | no problem, i can wait as long as i get another one |
| 20:13.59 | SRabbelier | evely: she'll get back to you when you send an email :) |
| 20:14.02 | alpaca | my bad :) |
| 20:14.08 | evely | thanks ;) |
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| 20:14.34 | pxia | what in the world is a "document"? What does a "document" do? Do I submit them with proposals? :\ |
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| 20:14.37 | lh | alpaca: what do you need? |
| 20:14.45 | pxia | I don't think I can, but that's from looking at the proposal submit page |
| 20:14.48 | lh | alpaca: no formal list, but some folks are listing themselves at |
| 20:14.50 | schumaml | pxia: maybe this is in the user guide? |
| 20:15.04 | lh | http://www.teachingopensource.org/index.php/FOSS_Mentor_Projects |
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| 20:15.08 | lh | evely: what's up |
| 20:15.13 | alpaca | lh: this is wonderful, thank you. |
| 20:15.13 | evely | hi |
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| 20:15.25 | SRabbelier | lh: mind if I update the front page to address pxia's comments? |
| 20:15.25 | PearlJam | should i mention in the application who my mentor would be ? if i have already talked and decided on one? |
| 20:15.26 | borja | lh: I saw that on the tos mailing list; should we start adding our projects there? |
| 20:15.32 | SRabbelier | pxia: read the documentation |
| 20:15.39 | evely | i was wondering if you could send me another diploma |
| 20:15.39 | lh | pxia: there is an entire section in the users guide about documents. perhaps that will help? |
| 20:15.41 | lh | !userguide |
| 20:15.41 | SRabbelier | pxia: it explains what documents are (the in depth part) |
| 20:15.42 | socinfo | "userguide" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
| 20:15.45 | evely | i lost mine, unfortunatelly |
| 20:15.46 | lh | borja: please do |
| 20:15.50 | pxia | schumaml: ah, I stopped reading after 'comments to your proposal' |
| 20:15.52 | evely | i participated in 2007 |
| 20:15.54 | borja | lh: (was holding off until you announced it to GSoC folks, in case you wanted it discussed further on the tos mailing list) |
| 20:15.54 | Lennie | pxia, dont worry about it you dont need it for your proposal |
| 20:16.01 | borja | lh: ok, will do it later today |
| 20:16.04 | lh | borja: nope for it |
| 20:16.04 | Lennie | pxia, you can read up on it later :) |
| 20:16.11 | lh | go for it that is |
| 20:16.37 | PearlJam | anyone please? should i mention my would be mentor in my application or not? |
| 20:16.42 | evely | so...i am willing to pay for transportation taxes, if needed |
| 20:17.02 | evely | i just need another copy...is this possible, please? |
| 20:17.04 | pxia | SRabbelier: I was a bit harsh over the general unusability; I just remember being confused as to when applications opened (3 clicks from first google hit), and wasn't aware enough about the importance of the User Guide |
| 20:17.07 | lh | evely: no that's fine, just email me adn we can take care of it when we can |
| 20:17.20 | evely | ok, great |
| 20:17.21 | pxia | SRabbelier: I'm sure I'm not the only one who just briefly skimmed over it |
| 20:17.22 | lh | pxia: did you read the front page of socghop.appspot.com? |
| 20:17.26 | evely | i am sending the email right now |
| 20:17.31 | evely | thanks :) |
| 20:17.38 | lh | evely: np. |
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| 20:17.40 | SRabbelier | lh: mind if I update the front page to be more clear? |
| 20:17.53 | lh | SRabbelier: i do not mind but i am not clear on what is not clear about it. |
| 20:18.07 | Erant | lh: Say what? |
| 20:18.11 | pxia | lh: _submitting an application_ links to creating a new student profile |
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| 20:18.39 | SRabbelier | lh: I suggest changing the text to read Please make sure to review the User's Guide before registering as student after which you can submit your proposal by clicking "Submit your Student Proposal" in the sidebar (under GSoC 2009) |
| 20:18.45 | kblin | ^5s Catfish_Man |
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| 20:18.52 | Catfish_Man | ^5 kblin? |
| 20:18.53 | lh | SRabbelier: ok go for it. |
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| 20:19.17 | pxia | SRabbelier: Thanks :) |
| 20:19.26 | kblin | Catfish_Man: more people to hold the fort |
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| 20:19.38 | Catfish_Man | kblin: I've been here all along. I left for about 30 seconds to load up a new adium build |
| 20:20.00 | SRabbelier | pxia: please be a little more constructive in the tone of your criticism next time; aggresion is _not_ the way to get things done in FOSS |
| 20:20.06 | SRabbelier | pxia: you sounded like a Troll |
| 20:20.12 | Erant | !troll |
| 20:20.12 | socinfo | Error: "troll" is not a valid command. |
| 20:20.16 | Erant | Aww |
| 20:20.22 | SRabbelier | Erant: well, teach the bot! |
| 20:20.30 | Tijs | Catfish_Man: Adium has irc support? So why exactly am I using Colloquy then? ;) |
| 20:20.34 | pxia | SRabbelier: ok; sorry for coming off that way |
| 20:20.44 | SRabbelier | pxia: apology accepted :) |
| 20:20.51 | Catfish_Man | Tijs: drop by #adium please. I don't want to clutter #gsoc more |
| 20:20.58 | rvmiller | Question: A lot of organizations talk about "deliverables" in the application. What are those? |
| 20:21.18 | Tijs | Catfish_Man: you're right. I'm sorry. |
| 20:21.22 | Chainsaw | rvmiller: The things you have to do. |
| 20:21.29 | pavelo | rvmiller: the things that you will deliver ? |
| 20:21.34 | zounds | rvmiller: thing you can show you have done |
| 20:21.36 | borja | rvmiller: A deliverable is a relatively self-contained and well-specified bit of work that you will deliver to your mentor |
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| 20:21.53 | rvmiller | so work you will be doing, not things you have already done |
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| 20:22.02 | Catfish_Man | sigh, crash |
| 20:22.12 | borja | rvmiller: exactly |
| 20:22.20 | SRabbelier | Catfish_Man: adium ftw, yes? |
| 20:22.20 | tntcoda | Is there anything wrong with writing an application in the 1st person? |
| 20:22.20 | rvmiller | thanks again all |
| 20:22.23 | zounds | rvmiller: not work you will be doing, the end product of that work |
| 20:22.36 | SRabbelier | !askyourorg |
| 20:22.36 | socinfo | "askyourorg" is You should ask the organization you are interested in applying as this varies per organization. |
| 20:22.38 | Catfish_Man | SRabbelier: when it's not crashing, yes |
| 20:22.39 | SRabbelier | tntcoda: ^^^^ |
| 20:22.49 | tntcoda | ok thanks |
| 20:22.55 | SRabbelier | I wonder who owns socinfo... |
| 20:22.59 | rvmiller | zounds: so perhaps like benefits to the project? |
| 20:23.05 | SRabbelier | it'd be awesome if we could have it say a facoid to a specific person |
| 20:23.10 | kblin | Catfish_Man: bah ;) |
| 20:23.20 | borja | rvmiller: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deliverable |
| 20:24.09 | borja | rvmiller: one way of thinking about your list of deliverables is "By week X I plan to deliver FOO, by week Y I plan to deliver BAR, and by the end of the project I intend to deliver FOOBAR" |
| 20:24.14 | zounds | rvmiller: not so abstract as that I think, that wiki link is probably helpful |
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| 20:24.20 | borja | rvmiller: but different organizations may want different levels of specificity |
| 20:24.21 | HanzZ | hm... when I add goal of the project to the Abstract part, should I write it also to Content? |
| 20:24.24 | Lennie | borja, +1 |
| 20:24.27 | borja | rvmiller: so, when in doubt |
| 20:24.31 | borja | !askyourorg |
| 20:24.31 | socinfo | "askyourorg" is You should ask the organization you are interested in applying as this varies per organization. |
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| 20:24.51 | rvmiller | borja: gotcha |
| 20:25.08 | zounds | is it reasonable/expected to ask your potential mentor for feedback on drafts of your application? |
| 20:25.18 | Catfish_Man | quite reasonable |
| 20:25.25 | dho_plan9 | We did it quite a bit in 2007 |
| 20:25.30 | zounds | cool |
| 20:25.30 | SRabbelier | zounds: it is a very good idea even! |
| 20:25.31 | borja | zounds: in our organization we even require it |
| 20:25.34 | SRabbelier | !advice |
| 20:25.34 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
| 20:25.41 | SRabbelier | zounds: check out the first link |
| 20:25.43 | dho_plan9 | At least for us, we tended to prefer those who were more communicative for us. |
| 20:25.58 | dho_plan9 | Some orgs may differ, but my sense is the feeling is that we'd rather have you ask questions |
| 20:26.04 | zounds | SRabbelier: will do, thanks. I'm sure I have before but it's hard to hold it all in my head =) |
| 20:26.04 | dho_plan9 | So don't feel like you're being annoying. |
| 20:26.09 | dho_plan9 | (But don't be annoying :)) |
| 20:26.10 | Lennie | idd it's is stated in the advice that making 3 revisions of your proposal with the help of mentors isn't that uncommon :) |
| 20:26.15 | m0|away | If we graduated in a year, we are not allowed to enter gsoc, right? |
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| 20:26.21 | m0|away | (a year ago) |
| 20:26.24 | SRabbelier | zounds: hehe, get more RAM! |
| 20:26.31 | dho_plan9 | Lennie: `inderdaad' doesn't translate to english very well :) |
| 20:26.33 | borja | m0|away: you have to be registered as a student on April 20th |
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| 20:26.42 | Lennie | dho_plan9, it's also indeed |
| 20:26.47 | m0|away | What is a definition of a student? |
| 20:26.51 | m0|away | Take one course? |
| 20:26.52 | Lennie | http://www.acronymfinder.com/IDD.html |
| 20:26.53 | SRabbelier | Lennie: it's exactly what I did lsat year for my GSoC2008 applicatino |
| 20:26.54 | dho_plan9 | hasn't ever seen that <_< |
| 20:27.01 | m0|away | Take community college? |
| 20:27.22 | Lennie | m0|away, be enroleld as full-time I think :) |
| 20:27.23 | Lennie | see faq |
| 20:27.23 | lh | m0|away: community college is fine. part-time enrollment is fine. this has been clarified in the faq, so please take a look |
| 20:27.24 | SRabbelier | dho_plan9: I told him teh same thing |
| 20:27.24 | Lennie | !faq |
| 20:27.25 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 20:27.26 | lh | !faq |
| 20:27.26 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 20:27.30 | borja | m0|away: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#student_eligibility |
| 20:27.40 | dho_plan9 | SRabbelier: The Dutch are responsible for lots of fake acronyms |
| 20:27.42 | dho_plan9 | points at lol |
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| 20:27.50 | SRabbelier | socinfo: learn eligible as http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#student_eligibility |
| 20:27.50 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 20:27.52 | SRabbelier | !eligible |
| 20:27.53 | socinfo | "eligible" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#student_eligibility |
| 20:27.58 | borja | SRabbelier: +1 |
| 20:28.00 | SRabbelier | dho_plan9: we are indeed |
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| 20:28.14 | SRabbelier | borja: now I'll have to remember how to spell eligible though! |
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| 20:28.22 | dho_plan9 | misses Holland : |
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| 20:28.36 | lh | dho_plan9: me too. |
| 20:28.45 | m0|away | bummer |
| 20:28.49 | m0|away | no gsoc for me this year |
| 20:29.02 | lh | m0|away: next year. :) |
| 20:29.02 | Lennie | we could also learn socinfo the wrong spellings :P |
| 20:29.03 | SRabbelier | m0|away: shame, shame |
| 20:29.11 | SRabbelier | Lennie: s/learn/teach |
| 20:29.14 | dho_plan9 | I haven't been since 2006. I was listening to some Osdorp Posse today and it sounded like a foreign language. I was sad :( |
| 20:29.22 | m0|away | I will just take art school :) gsoc was fun. |
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| 20:29.38 | Lennie | "there is many to teach me":P |
| 20:29.57 | Lennie | and yes I know that is wrong :) |
| 20:29.59 | m0|away | Beh, I begged my Software Engineering dean to let me take more courses, he said I can't :/ |
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| 20:30.20 | m0|away | I guess its masters, or another degree. |
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| 20:30.45 | dho_plan9 | m0|away: or mentoring |
| 20:30.58 | m0|away | too late this year |
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| 20:31.03 | m0|away | Maybe next year |
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| 20:31.21 | SRabbelier | m0|away: it's never too late to mentor |
| 20:31.36 | dho_plan9 | ^ |
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| 20:31.56 | m0|away | SRabbelier: Need to get familiar with an open source project first, then I could mentor. |
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| 20:32.05 | m0|away | Imagine I mentor a person on a project I don't know of. |
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| 20:32.12 | SRabbelier | m0|away: true ;) |
| 20:32.25 | GA_MATT | hi |
| 20:32.30 | GA_MATT | I'm back |
| 20:32.34 | SRabbelier | ... wb? |
| 20:32.37 | dho_plan9 | Hi, I'm Devon. |
| 20:32.43 | GA_MATT | I'm obviously Matt |
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| 20:32.52 | dho_plan9 | I'm not obviously Devon, but that is my name. |
| 20:32.55 | SRabbelier | please limit the chattering at the moment |
| 20:32.56 | GA_MATT | yeah |
| 20:32.58 | dho_plan9 | Sorry. |
| 20:33.04 | SRabbelier | thanks |
| 20:33.24 | GA_MATT | I really was looking forward to doing a project with a specific organization but htey didn't make the cut |
| 20:33.34 | dho_plan9 | GA_MATT: There are still a bunch to choose from :) |
| 20:33.39 | GA_MATT | that's true |
| 20:33.48 | XeroCint | I want to do Tux4Kids. Sounds fun |
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| 20:33.58 | GA_MATT | I'll have to get involved again to find which one suits me well |
| 20:34.23 | SRabbelier | GA_MATT: seriously, please cut down on teh chattering so we can focus on people that are having a problem with the web-app :) |
| 20:34.32 | GA_MATT | I'm very sorry |
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| 20:35.25 | lh | so here's a question |
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| 20:35.31 | lh | is anyone actually having trouble with the web app? |
| 20:35.40 | lh | has seen one legit bug |
| 20:35.47 | lh | and lots of not reading the manual |
| 20:35.49 | lh | but that's it |
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| 20:36.45 | milosevic | is there an "ideas" site... such as last year's ? |
| 20:36.57 | dho_plan9 | milosevic: Most organizations host their own |
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| 20:37.15 | alpaca | lh: there are 3 projects from the link you gave me earlier - will this list expand with time or am i missing something? |
| 20:37.17 | dho_plan9 | You might try checking the web pages for the organization(s) you're interested in. |
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| 20:37.52 | lh | alpaca: will expand over time |
| 20:38.30 | alpaca | the android app sounds interesting. i have to wait until my verizon contract is up so i can switch to t-mobile :( |
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| 20:38.52 | Lennie | alpaca, or buy the developers phone which is simlock free :) |
| 20:38.52 | alpaca | (has been my plan for some time, anyways) |
| 20:38.55 | maruel | alpaca: you can grab a ADP1 right away |
| 20:39.08 | hub | Lennie: but on a non gsm carrier -> useless |
| 20:39.10 | Lennie | with shiny artwork on the back :D |
| 20:39.25 | dho_plan9 | (Out of curiosity, how much are they with T-Mobile?) |
| 20:39.26 | hub | if only the phone was useful |
| 20:39.27 | alpaca | Lennie: isnt that around 300-400? or more? |
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| 20:39.32 | XeroCint | alpaca: Just wait until a Verizon phone, TMobile's network is shoddy |
| 20:39.35 | Lennie | hub, non gsm carrier? I'm outside of the US so dont know :D |
| 20:39.38 | XeroCint | Verizon gphone* |
| 20:39.50 | alpaca | is that supposed to happen soon? |
| 20:39.56 | hub | Lennie: then why do you open it up if you don't know? |
| 20:39.57 | XeroCint | G1 isn't even that great of hardware anyways. |
| 20:40.05 | Lennie | alpaca, I have no idea of the current pricing, I thought it was $500 |
| 20:40.09 | XeroCint | alpaca: Not sure. More likely to happen than for me on AT&T |
| 20:40.10 | Lennie | hub? |
| 20:40.13 | alpaca | it does look clunky and very first gen :) |
| 20:40.16 | Erant | hub: Eh? |
| 20:40.21 | kblin | hub: everywhere but the US uses GSM |
| 20:40.29 | XeroCint | Heh, probably why it's G1: Generation the 1st. |
| 20:40.32 | hub | kblin: check again |
| 20:40.51 | hypa7ia | kblin: canada uses CDMA too, and japan uses something entirely different |
| 20:40.53 | hub | kblin: there is canada and a few other countries that have non-GSM carriers |
| 20:41.07 | SRabbelier | hub: We're in Europe anyway ;) |
| 20:41.11 | hypa7ia | japan has their own homegrown standard |
| 20:41.12 | alpaca | i suppose i can develop for the android even if idont have the phone, right? |
| 20:41.12 | SRabbelier | hub: and we _do_ have GSM, :P |
| 20:41.20 | SRabbelier | alpaca: you could, using the simulator |
| 20:41.23 | schumaml | has joined #gsm by accident, it seems |
| 20:41.24 | hub | SRabbelier: we do have GSM too |
| 20:41.29 | kblin | anyway, tada |
| 20:41.31 | alpaca | i mean, i know its all java. SRabbelier: ah - yes, thats what i was wondering. |
| 20:41.33 | XeroCint | I'd imagine a Verizon GPhone is imminent, due to them being partners with that Open Source wireless. |
| 20:42.02 | Erant | I'm a little not up to speed on the whole Java thing though. Why is it ONLY java? |
| 20:42.07 | hub | hypa7ia: in Canada only Telus and Bell. the third one is GSM |
| 20:42.14 | knishant | how to get the organisation list thru language |
| 20:42.19 | Erant | It's perfectly capable of running everything else. |
| 20:42.20 | borja | !orgbylang |
| 20:42.20 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 20:42.52 | SRabbelier | Erant: design decision |
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| 20:43.05 | SRabbelier | Erant: They'd rather not have you running whatever you want on it |
| 20:43.18 | SRabbelier | Erant: I mean, they do need to give carriers _some_ sense of security ;) |
| 20:43.20 | Erant | Hmm. That sounds familiar. |
| 20:43.32 | Erant | Where have I heard this argument before... |
| 20:43.41 | SRabbelier | Erant: main difference with Anroid being that the OS is open source, so if you'd want to, you could rip out that limitation :P |
| 20:43.53 | SRabbelier | Erant: and put a 'free' version on your dev phone |
| 20:44.00 | hub | SRabbelier: albeit if you have the T-Mobile handset, you are just SOL. LOCKED |
| 20:44.03 | Erant | I can rip out anything from my iPhone too though ;) |
| 20:44.14 | SRabbelier | hub: well... not quite :P |
| 20:44.17 | hub | and the developer one cost an extra $200 just to ship it |
| 20:44.28 | SRabbelier | Erant: yes, but you don't have access to the iPhone OS software :P |
| 20:44.42 | SRabbelier | hub: get it delivered to a US address and ship it the regular way, or better, pick it up |
| 20:44.51 | hub | SRabbelier: ahahah. |
| 20:45.04 | dho_plan9 | Seems like it's $180 with contract |
| 20:45.05 | hub | "pick it up"? how? |
| 20:45.16 | SRabbelier | hub: like, go on vacation to the USA ;) |
| 20:45.34 | hub | SRabbelier: ahah. you are a funny guy |
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| 20:46.18 | SRabbelier | hub: or even better, get someone else to bring one with them when they are on vacation ;) |
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| 20:47.11 | hub | SRabbelier: you should apply to work as a stand up comic |
| 20:47.20 | hub | you seem to be good at that |
| 20:47.27 | SRabbelier | hub: it's what I did ;) |
| 20:48.40 | schumaml | hub: get one during lgm :) |
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| 20:49.02 | hub | schumaml: given that the 3G is useless |
| 20:49.18 | hub | schumaml: and only of someone foot for the bill as well |
| 20:49.28 | hub | :-) |
| 20:49.36 | SRabbelier | anyway |
| 20:49.40 | SRabbelier | let's end this discussion here |
| 20:49.50 | hub | SRabbelier: y after fueling it? |
| 20:49.58 | Erant | 'cuz he's losing. |
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| 20:50.06 | SRabbelier | hub: cos it's lasted long enough :) |
| 20:50.13 | SRabbelier | hub: and it's OT |
| 20:50.19 | hub | SRabbelier: becausae you fuelled it |
| 20:50.22 | hub | and yes it is OT |
| 20:50.27 | SRabbelier | hub: and because I'm getting annoyed now :) |
| 20:50.45 | Erant | hugs SRabbelier |
| 20:50.46 | Erant | Aww |
| 20:50.54 | hub | kick SRabbelier |
| 20:50.55 | SRabbelier | Erant: tnq, tnq |
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| 20:51.02 | SRabbelier | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:51.13 | SRabbelier | s/ // |
| 20:51.32 | hub | ibot: shush |
| 20:51.34 | ibot | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 20:51.37 | hub | :-P |
| 20:52.58 | lh | hub: be nice to SRabbelier please |
| 20:52.58 | Erant | He's a very sensitive boy. |
| 20:53.04 | lh | SRabbelier: know when to walk away and know when to run. also don't count your money when sitting at the table. |
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| 20:53.39 | SRabbelier | hugs lh |
| 20:53.50 | lh | hugs SRabbelier |
| 20:54.00 | hub | lh: I was nice |
| 20:54.08 | lh | puts on some johnny cash, chills on the free couch. |
| 20:54.13 | lh | hub: mmhmmm. |
| 20:54.41 | zounds | oo, Johnny Cash, that's a good idea |
| 20:54.49 | m0|away | lol |
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| 20:54.55 | Erant | Oooh, couch. |
| 20:55.01 | dho_plan9 | is listening to Between the Buried and Me before he leaves for home <_< |
| 20:55.13 | Erant | But instead of the Johnny Cash, I'll be snuggling up with the OHCI spec. |
| 20:55.38 | SRabbelier | Erant: you're a geek through and through, you know that right? |
| 20:56.05 | hypa7ia | is it can be home tiem nau plz |
| 20:56.41 | xorAxAx | what a weird weather here today |
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| 20:56.48 | Erant | SRabbelier: It's what defines me. |
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| 20:57.07 | Erant | If I'm not a geek, then what am I ;) |
| 20:57.37 | Erant | Maybe I'll go for some light reading instead. Maybe Bruce Schneier. |
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| 20:58.23 | alpaca | dho_plan9: <3 btbam. |
| 20:58.33 | dho_plan9 | :) |
| 20:58.35 | SRabbelier | Erant: it is indeed |
| 20:58.38 | alpaca | my favorite band, actually. colors was brilliant. |
| 20:58.43 | dho_plan9 | </3 their label. |
| 20:58.48 | alpaca | yeah victory is teh lose. |
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| 20:59.06 | alpaca | but still, they rule. ever seen them live? |
| 20:59.11 | dho_plan9 | I bought the colors vinyl and it came warped. White Walls and Viridian have so many pitch bends in them and it's unlistenable. |
| 20:59.15 | dho_plan9 | Just on DVD |
| 20:59.22 | alpaca | noooooooooooo, thats awful! |
| 20:59.32 | alpaca | and, the dvd is amazing. ok, sorry, ill knock off the metal talk now :) |
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| 20:59.50 | alpaca | colors on vinyl would be very cool. |
| 20:59.53 | alpaca | i probably wouldnt listen to it |
| 21:00.26 | dho_plan9 | Next time they tour maybe. And yeah, probably not a bad idea :) |
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| 21:01.06 | alpaca | wait - plan9 - as in...THE plan9? |
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| 21:01.20 | alpaca | i didnt even read your nick until now |
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| 21:01.36 | dho_plan9 | The project, yes. I'm mentoring for Plan 9 this year again. |
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| 21:01.56 | dho_plan9 | We've got a lot of cool shit to do! |
| 21:01.57 | alpaca | thats awesome! a mentor who likes awesome metal :) |
| 21:02.08 | dho_plan9 | Are you planning on applying for Plan 9? |
| 21:02.18 | alpaca | i need to learn some new words that are synonymous with awesome |
| 21:02.25 | alpaca | no - im not eligible actually because im taking this spring off |
| 21:02.30 | ajray | rock on dho_plan9, I'm really interested in cool OS's. I'm applying for MINIX |
| 21:02.37 | alpaca | which is a bummer :( |
| 21:02.40 | alpaca | minix still exists? |
| 21:02.44 | alpaca | didnt know that. |
| 21:02.55 | dho_plan9 | Oh well. |
| 21:03.06 | alpaca | dho_plan9: i am looking for a project that would be willing to mentor me though |
| 21:03.08 | alpaca | free of stipends |
| 21:03.16 | dho_plan9 | <---- |
| 21:03.34 | alpaca | well. ive got no reason to say no |
| 21:03.41 | harlan | One of my team asked why it is nec'y to provide so much 'meatspace' information to get thru the "I wanna be an admin/mentor" form. |
| 21:03.59 | dho_plan9 | I'll be in and out this evening, just heading out the door of the office now. |
| 21:04.07 | harlan | Is the reasoning/need for this described somewhere? |
| 21:04.13 | alpaca | dho_plan9: ill read over the stuff for plan9 on the gsoc website and get back to you |
| 21:04.19 | SRabbelier | lh: can you answer harlan's question? |
| 21:04.22 | alpaca | but its very possible ill be interested, immediately. |
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| 21:04.32 | SRabbelier | lh: I don't think the why is documented, is it? |
| 21:04.43 | alpaca | leaving work now, later everyone. |
| 21:05.01 | dho_plan9 | Sounds good; have a good evening! |
| 21:05.01 | uzytkownik | Will personal details in student registration be changeable (such as blog url)? |
| 21:05.19 | SRabbelier | uzytkownik: yes |
| 21:05.20 | hypa7ia | harlan: i think it's so that you can get the t-shirt |
| 21:05.20 | oguz | and t-shirt size. i'm planning to lose some weight :P |
| 21:05.23 | hub | harlan: the thing that annoys me the most is that I already filed the info twice. once to register the org, on to become admin of the org. and now it ask for it for mentoring |
| 21:05.38 | hub | and I cna't even make copies like it would be on paper |
| 21:05.42 | harlan | hub: I'm sure that will bite me soon too. |
| 21:05.56 | harlan | Do project admins get t-shirts too? |
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| 21:06.15 | oguz | SRabbelier: the abstract had a 500 char limit right? |
| 21:06.22 | hub | so for now I'm not mentor yet |
| 21:06.32 | SRabbelier | oguz: yup |
| 21:06.41 | lh | harlan: so we can send you a t-shirt |
| 21:06.52 | harlan | OK, thanks. I'll tell him. |
| 21:06.56 | oguz | SRabbelier: well, it doesn't :) wc says 584 to my abstract but it's accepted |
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| 21:07.13 | SRabbelier | oguz: that might just cause a 505 :P |
| 21:07.19 | SRabbelier | oguz: what's yoru link_id? |
| 21:07.25 | oguz | SRabbelier: kayral |
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| 21:07.54 | cwgordon7 | lh: ping? |
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| 21:08.21 | SRabbelier | ah, well, actually |
| 21:08.30 | SRabbelier | there's no enforced limit on either atm |
| 21:08.37 | SRabbelier | but please be so good as to keep it under 500 :P |
| 21:08.57 | oguz | ok :) |
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| 21:10.45 | lh | cwgordon7: pong |
| 21:11.02 | cwgordon7 | lh: pm? |
| 21:11.17 | lh | cwgordon7: sure, but need to step afk right now for about ten minutes |
| 21:11.23 | lh | so go ahead, will respond when i get back |
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| 21:11.35 | cwgordon7 | ok, thanks |
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| 21:17.48 | spectie | hey all |
| 21:18.00 | spectie | i have a question which appears to be not answered in the faq |
| 21:18.02 | jblake | Is there anyone from the GNU org in here? I have a proposal for PSU that I'm not sure is appropriate for our org, but I think may fit under the GNU umbrella. |
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| 21:18.14 | spectie | is the mentoring money paid out to each individual in the organisation |
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| 21:18.23 | spectie | or is it only paid to a central organisation |
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| 21:18.39 | spectie | in the second case, what happens if the central organisation is actually several organisations |
| 21:18.42 | plastun | hi to all! |
| 21:18.43 | Catfish_Man | spectie: it goes to the organization, which can then decide how to distribute it |
| 21:18.47 | Catfish_Man | not sure on the second question |
| 21:18.49 | Catfish_Man | hi plastun |
| 21:18.51 | spectie | Catfish_Man, ok |
| 21:18.58 | plastun | Catfish_Man, can you help me& |
| 21:19.08 | Catfish_Man | plastun: I don't know, that depends what problem you're having |
| 21:19.10 | SRabbelier | !ask |
| 21:19.10 | socinfo | "ask" is don't ask to ask, just ask! |
| 21:19.15 | spectie | Catfish_Man, how is organisation defined, does it need to be incorporated ? |
| 21:19.17 | Catfish_Man | !forget ask |
| 21:19.18 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 21:19.26 | Catfish_Man | spectie: no, Adium isn't incorporated, and we participated |
| 21:19.45 | spectie | ok |
| 21:19.50 | plastun | i don't undersand clearly what is 'Link id' on the Create New User profile page |
| 21:19.53 | spectie | so, it basically goes to the organisation administrator ? |
| 21:19.57 | mlforcada | nice piece of software, Adium :-) |
| 21:20.17 | Catfish_Man | plastun: essentially it's a unique identifier for you in the application |
| 21:20.40 | Catfish_Man | spectie: the admin puts in an address for it to go to |
| 21:20.42 | plastun | Catfish_Man, what length it is need? |
| 21:20.48 | spectie | Catfish_Man, ok |
| 21:20.54 | Catfish_Man | plastun: I don't think there's a length requirement. Mine is cfm iirc |
| 21:20.58 | spectie | Catfish_Man, and in the w8-ben form |
| 21:21.05 | spectie | you just fill out whatever name you call yourselves ? |
| 21:21.13 | jimregan2 | http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw8ben.pdf |
| 21:21.21 | Catfish_Man | spectie: don't recall offhand, sorry |
| 21:21.29 | spectie | i'm asking because for me it is quite usual in the US/UK for things not to need to be so official |
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| 21:21.46 | spectie | but in other countries less so |
| 21:22.05 | plastun | ok, i'll try |
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| 21:23.03 | plastun | is anybody there speak rus? |
| 21:23.07 | Garfeild | yep |
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| 21:24.46 | Garfeild | plastun: so? |
| 21:25.21 | plastun | it's great |
| 21:25.35 | SRabbelier | Catfish_Man: why'd you make it forget ask? |
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| 21:25.41 | rep | I have some questions regarding the student proposal form |
| 21:25.57 | Catfish_Man | SRabbelier: it's two lines instead of one, and it was being overused |
| 21:26.13 | SRabbelier | Catfish_Man: two lines instead of one? |
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| 21:26.24 | Catfish_Man | SRabbelier: !ask and the response |
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| 21:26.36 | rep | some organizations have their application template uploaded includingHTML markup - and thet gets put into the form textarea - I suppose that is not the way it should be |
| 21:26.57 | SRabbelier | Catfish_Man: saves me the trouble of typing it :P |
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| 21:27.39 | rep | and another thing is: what should one put into the title/abstract fields if one does not propose a project but wants to apply for a given one that the organization listed? |
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| 21:28.15 | SRabbelier | rep: you should always work out the idea |
| 21:28.20 | SRabbelier | rep: never just copy/paste an idea from the idea page |
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| 21:28.30 | SRabbelier | rep: so put as title/abstract whatever you think is appropriate |
| 21:29.08 | rep | okay - and will this proposal form content be submitted directly to the organization? Or will that somehow be pre-filtered by google? |
| 21:29.12 | lh | !noorg |
| 21:29.12 | socinfo | Error: "noorg" is not a valid command. |
| 21:29.28 | qsx | !date |
| 21:29.29 | socinfo | Error: "date" is not a valid command. |
| 21:29.48 | lh | socinfo: learn noorg as http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#no_org |
| 21:29.49 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 21:30.42 | SRabbelier | rep: directly to the organization |
| 21:30.58 | lh | rep: but we can see what you submit, as well |
| 21:31.06 | SRabbelier | of course :P |
| 21:31.11 | SRabbelier | Google is omnipotent after all :D |
| 21:31.19 | rep | Yeah sure. :) |
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| 21:32.00 | rep | SRabbelier: thanks! |
| 21:32.43 | summatusmentis | hi all |
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| 21:33.35 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: omnipotent is all powerful, the closest I can think of to seeing everything is omniscient - all knowig |
| 21:33.49 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: drat, that's what I meant |
| 21:33.54 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: stupid latin |
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| 21:34.31 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Romanes eunt domus! |
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| 21:34.53 | HanzZ | is going to hit Submit button |
| 21:35.01 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: .... meany |
| 21:35.25 | HanzZ | thinks it's the best he can do |
| 21:35.32 | MatthewWilkes | ? |
| 21:35.37 | thiagoss | Are ',' and '-' lower ascii? |
| 21:35.44 | MatthewWilkes | thiago: yup |
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| 21:35.50 | MatthewWilkes | ^^^ thiagoss |
| 21:35.56 | thiagoss | Thanks :-) |
| 21:36.20 | SRabbelier | thiagoss: they're not "lowercase ASCII" anyway |
| 21:36.27 | Mek | hmm... funny how the last modified time of this one student proposal is a few hundreds of a second before the created on timestamp :) |
| 21:36.47 | SRabbelier | Mek: that's funny indeed :P |
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| 21:37.03 | thiagoss | SRabbelier: uh? |
| 21:37.10 | SRabbelier | Mek: probably because AppEngine's servers do not have fully synched clocks or something |
| 21:37.22 | SRabbelier | thiagoss: I'm assuming you're asking wrt the link_id? |
| 21:37.40 | thiagoss | SRabbelier: nope, zip code and address |
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| 21:37.59 | SRabbelier | thiagoss: ah |
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| 21:40.35 | dhoclone_plan9 | is home |
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| 22:04.06 | borja | Well, looks like things have calmed down |
| 22:04.23 | borja | assumes everyone is filling out student applications |
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| 22:05.34 | r0bby | lh: I registered for openeverything NYC :) |
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| 22:06.24 | Ori_B | hey |
| 22:06.30 | nefro | hey :) |
| 22:06.32 | Ori_B | anyone mind making me feel like an idiot? |
| 22:06.33 | lh | r0bby: cool. |
| 22:06.53 | summatusmentis | Ori_B: can try :) |
| 22:07.00 | Ori_B | I'm trying to get a windowed average that doesn't need to sum over an entire array of stored points |
| 22:07.18 | Garfeild | bb all) |
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| 22:08.12 | Ori_B | summatusmentis: so, willing to take a look and suggest why my code isn't working? |
| 22:08.23 | kumarabhi | where is the link for uploading apps ? i have already registered and got my profile saved |
| 22:08.42 | SRabbelier | kumarabhi: in the sidebar there is a link saying "Submit my student proposal" under "GSOC 2009" |
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| 22:09.17 | ABit | Hi, is there a way to search organization projects by programming language or skills requested? |
| 22:09.35 | dhaun | !orgsbylang |
| 22:09.35 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 22:09.59 | dhoclone_plan9 | With whom was I speaking prior to me heading home? (Can someone do like a /last btbam or something?) |
| 22:10.04 | ABit | cool thx |
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| 22:10.50 | p_l | dhoclone_plan9: looks like the last line you uttered was to alpaca |
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| 22:13.43 | Ori_B | summatusmentis: http://pastebin.ca/1369647 |
| 22:13.53 | Ori_B | summatusmentis: that's the code that's not working. |
| 22:14.00 | r0bby | I may make a plug for openmrs see if that gets anywhere... but knowing my personality prolly bad |
| 22:14.14 | summatusmentis | oh, we're talking about code? :( I don't have time to look at that, sorry |
| 22:14.27 | Ori_B | summatusmentis: it tries to avoid re-summing an entire array by subtracting off the last value and adding in the new one |
| 22:14.31 | Ori_B | ah. |
| 22:14.36 | dhoclone_plan9 | p_l: thank you |
| 22:14.46 | Ori_B | is clearly lacking on sleep... but... |
| 22:15.39 | dhoclone_plan9 | Ori_B: Why don't you just keep a running counter, then? |
| 22:15.47 | p_l | dhoclone_plan9: Would sending a proposal to port a CL implementation to Plan9 be received badly? (it would require dynamic loading to work well, though) |
| 22:15.52 | MatthewWilkes | I hate the low battery life of the first time you use a new phone - you can't help but eat up all the juice on playing |
| 22:16.05 | Ori_B | dhoclone_plan9: rnning counter doesn't give me a windowed average, does it? |
| 22:16.32 | dhoclone_plan9 | p_l: I think the current concensus is `we hate dynamic loading' |
| 22:16.48 | p_l | dhoclone_plan9: I'm not talking about shared libs, just loading code at runtime |
| 22:16.50 | Ori_B | OH. |
| 22:16.51 | dhoclone_plan9 | Ori_B: You're looking for an average of a histeresis? |
| 22:16.53 | Ori_B | I'm stupid. |
| 22:16.59 | Ori_B | ignore the question. |
| 22:17.10 | dhoclone_plan9 | p_l: ATM the compilers don't support PIC at all. |
| 22:17.19 | p_l | dhoclone_plan9: I'm well aware of Plan9 folks stance on shared libraries :) |
| 22:17.26 | dhoclone_plan9 | On the other hand, I know that people there like lisp |
| 22:17.33 | dhoclone_plan9 | So YMMV |
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| 22:17.59 | dhoclone_plan9 | I'm not sure how well a dlopen set would be received, but I'm sure there would be some way to address that. |
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| 22:18.39 | Erant | If a project requires some kind of hardware, who do I go puppyeyes at? Google, org, or myself? |
| 22:18.45 | p_l | dhoclone_plan9: I heard once that there was an undocumented feature for creating loadable code but it wasn't well known |
| 22:18.54 | p_l | Erant: I guess the third option is the default one |
| 22:18.56 | dhoclone_plan9 | p_l: it's possible, I don't recall. |
| 22:19.05 | dhoclone_plan9 | it's been a while since I was diving through code to document interfaces |
| 22:19.07 | Erant | p_l: Figured ;) |
| 22:19.25 | dhoclone_plan9 | Erant: You might have a nice mentor. |
| 22:19.31 | p_l | dhoclone_plan9: Another option would be to get LLVM working on Plan9, but that would be plain crazy job :D |
| 22:19.31 | dhoclone_plan9 | :) |
| 22:19.37 | dhoclone_plan9 | p_l: But not unwanted |
| 22:19.45 | dhoclone_plan9 | we have 9vx. |
| 22:19.57 | dhoclone_plan9 | oh, llvm |
| 22:20.07 | dhoclone_plan9 | for some reason I was confusing that with the Linux kernel vm thingie. |
| 22:20.21 | dhoclone_plan9 | I don't think that would be very crazy, and it would allow a LOT of languages to be ported. |
| 22:20.30 | ajray | is llvm on plan9 on the wish list? |
| 22:20.43 | dhoclone_plan9 | It's on the `things that you're free to suggest' list. |
| 22:20.52 | ajray | sweet! I love those! |
| 22:21.02 | dhoclone_plan9 | http://gsoc.cat-v.org/ideas/ |
| 22:21.04 | p_l | dhoclone_plan9: I have kind of figured a possible two-stage way to get it working, but I'm not sure If I want to delve into C++ code |
| 22:21.06 | Erant | dhoclone_plan9: I'd rather get the hardware before-hand, obv. |
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| 22:21.41 | dhoclone_plan9 | Oh, LLVM is in C++? Weak. |
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| 22:22.15 | dhoclone_plan9 | Erant: That makes things kind of tough. Is this an embedded device or a system with particular requirements? |
| 22:22.36 | dhoclone_plan9 | If it's the latter, it's usually not too hard to find someone who wouldn't mind giving you remote access and kicking the power every once in a while (or even providing a console server) |
| 22:22.36 | uzytkownik | What are the limits on content? 1700 characters? |
| 22:22.37 | p_l | dhoclone_plan9: yes it is. But getting it producing Plan9 binaries would mean we would get C++ apps (like some of the newer TeX related stuff etc.) |
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| 22:22.47 | ajray | dhoclone_plan9: I like the Gitfs! I could really use that on my OS projects. |
| 22:22.54 | dhoclone_plan9 | p_l: Also means we would need a C++ compiler. |
| 22:23.02 | dhoclone_plan9 | And C++ libraries, and STL.... |
| 22:23.13 | p_l | uzytkownik: 500 chars, and I dunno if you really wanted "uzytkownik" as your nick :D |
| 22:23.18 | Erant | dhoclone: embedded device. So yeah. |
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| 22:23.26 | p_l | dhoclone_plan9: That's why I mentioned two-stage |
| 22:23.28 | dhoclone_plan9 | p_l: You could bootstrap it with a C version, and that would mitigate that issue |
| 22:23.29 | dhoclone_plan9 | ah |
| 22:23.32 | dhoclone_plan9 | I missed that part. |
| 22:23.34 | Erant | Time for eBay |
| 22:23.40 | dhoclone_plan9 | p_l: *I* think it's a good idea. |
| 22:23.48 | dhoclone_plan9 | But I'm one of the more forward-thinking Plan 9 people. |
| 22:23.52 | uzytkownik | p_l: 500 chars is for abstract AFAIU |
| 22:24.05 | ajray | Erant: if you have a university nearby they might have one they could spare over the summer |
| 22:24.07 | dhoclone_plan9 | ajray: Yeah, it's a good idea. I suggested a more generic, `pluggable' SCMfs |
| 22:24.12 | SRabbelier | I'm off to bed, cya later all :) |
| 22:24.12 | p_l | dhoclone_plan9: build a crosscompiler on Linux, compile LLVM into something running on Plan9, recompile LLVM on Plan9 |
| 22:24.20 | dhoclone_plan9 | trusten |
| 22:25.41 | Erant | slaapze |
| 22:26.18 | dhoclone_plan9 | p_l: Or something like that too. There's a port of kencc to OpenBSD (and maybe Linux?) which might help with some of the binary issues |
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| 22:26.36 | dhoclone_plan9 | Like I said, *I* think it's a good idea. |
| 22:26.47 | p_l | dhoclone_plan9: Okay, I'll send that as a proposal too :D |
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| 22:27.18 | dhoclone_plan9 | Cool, feel free to make a few proposals. Our ideas list is by no means the be-all end-all of what we want |
| 22:29.38 | ajray | dhoclone_plan9: are the plan9 guys suggesting we port applications prior to our application? (like the Minix application suggests?) |
| 22:30.22 | dhoclone_plan9 | I don't think I understand the question |
| 22:30.49 | dhoclone_plan9 | We suggest that you take a look at some of the Plan 9 papers to understand the design of the system and why it is the way it is. |
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| 22:31.08 | dhoclone_plan9 | But we aren't going to send you off because you haven't programmed for Plan 9 before. |
| 22:31.27 | dhoclone_plan9 | (We don't have that capability; there are too few people who actually have) |
| 22:31.47 | p_l | ajray: definitely try it, IMHO. just lurking around with Plan9 changed the way I see system programming :D |
| 22:31.55 | p_l | (not joking) |
| 22:32.01 | dhoclone_plan9 | With a different kernel, different architecture, different compilers, different debugging tools, and different libc.... well, you get the drift |
| 22:32.13 | p_l | even If I don't always agree with various opinions/decisions etc :) |
| 22:32.24 | Erant | Can't agree with everything |
| 22:32.26 | theConfuser | !help |
| 22:32.27 | socinfo | "help" is see !faq, !advice and !wiki |
| 22:32.27 | dhoclone_plan9 | It's definitely an interesting system to say the least. |
| 22:32.42 | omniter | What do I put for "Title" of the proposal? :S |
| 22:32.44 | ajray | dhoclone_plan9: I actually have Plan9 in a VM from my operating systems class. I liked it a lot, I just didnt have anything at the time that I needed it for. |
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| 22:33.03 | dhoclone_plan9 | omniter: one line summary of what you're proposing. |
| 22:33.09 | omniter | ah okay |
| 22:33.17 | Erant | "Make the world a better place" |
| 22:33.26 | ajray | "Win at the internet" |
| 22:33.54 | dhoclone_plan9 | ajray: Ah, cool. Plan 9's a great OS to explore in such a class. It's very simple and understandable, yet modern as well. |
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| 22:34.05 | dhoclone_plan9 | Could still use more documentation |
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| 22:34.44 | dhoclone_plan9 | That's the sign of a good professor too. Teaching OS development from a textbook versus teaching OS development from the source (which you have to really have experience with to understand) is a good thing. |
| 22:34.56 | dhoclone_plan9 | realizes that sentence made no sense and hopes you get the point |
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| 22:35.55 | ajray | dhoclone_plan9: I think i've been convinced to submit an application. I'll definitely look into it. I really like the idea of Gitfs, as it'd be a big help to me on my OS projects. or the SCMfs |
| 22:36.04 | p_l | I hope that by the time I reach OS course, it won';t |
| 22:36.08 | p_l | *it won't be in Java |
| 22:36.18 | ajray | dhoclone_plan9: before this semester the OS class was taught in Java. |
| 22:36.44 | kacyf | Our OS course is in C |
| 22:36.52 | [mharrison] | This is the most *awesome* and creative piece of spam I've ever received. http://pics.discosoup.net/spam.html |
| 22:37.01 | ajray | its what happens when a Comp Sci department decides to put all their beans in one basket (teaching mostly Java with little else on the side) |
| 22:37.50 | [mharrison] | ajray, sounds like my school! |
| 22:38.02 | p_l | Well, If my society gets some rackspace, I'm planning to introduce Plan9 on it :) |
| 22:38.03 | ajray | kacyf: what OS's do you learn. (here its just Minix, but i also sought out Plan9 and Mach... and i also know of Pintos) |
| 22:38.49 | dhoclone_plan9 | Hey, cool :) |
| 22:38.51 | dhoclone_plan9 | Thanks. |
| 22:38.54 | Abadaar | I'm attending an OS course as well, so far we have written a shell and are in the process of writing a dynamic memory allocator. One of the most fun courses so far! :) |
| 22:39.02 | dhoclone_plan9 | I guess I won't ask how one does an OS class in Java |
| 22:39.18 | kacyf | ajray: meh, they teach java in the lower levels, c in the the mid range. Perl and Python all over |
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| 22:40.08 | ajray | kacyf: that would be useful! Instead I signed up for Computer Engineering, so we get Assembler, C and then later Java, with some HDLs thrown in. |
| 22:40.13 | jblake | Many OS classes are mostly about locking and scheduling, which can be taught in just about any language. The mechanics of talking to hardware is typically called something like "systems programming". |
| 22:40.18 | p_l | dhoclone_plan9: I had seen "OS concepts in Java" in library |
| 22:40.28 | dhoclone_plan9 | jblake: Interesting |
| 22:40.30 | Erant | ajray: HDLs are useful. |
| 22:40.34 | dhoclone_plan9 | never did college |
| 22:40.35 | kacyf | ajray: nothing special. It's a pretty crappy curriculum. Yeah, Assembly is in there too! Forgot about that one! |
| 22:40.39 | dhoclone_plan9 | So I really have no idea how the cources are titled. |
| 22:40.46 | dhoclone_plan9 | /cources/courses/ |
| 22:40.56 | ajray | Erant: Verilog, VHDL, or ABEL? My personal favorite is Verilog |
| 22:40.58 | dhoclone_plan9 | *sigh*. s,^/,s/, |
| 22:40.59 | jblake | That one in particular is pretty non-intuitive. |
| 22:41.19 | Erant | ajray: VHDL, but only because I was taught that from the beginning. |
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| 22:41.35 | jblake | And I guess I'll poll again: Any mentors or admins for the GNU org in here? I have an out-of-band question. |
| 22:41.41 | kacyf | So how competitive do you all think this year will be? (gsoc) |
| 22:41.49 | Erant | Europe is mostly VHDL, America is mostly Verilog. |
| 22:41.51 | Erant | Or so I'm told. |
| 22:41.53 | ajray | Erant: Our book actually goes through VHDL, Verilog and ABEL side-by-side for every device. I perfer verilog because its closest to a programming language. |
| 22:42.06 | ajray | Erant: Im in the US, so that makes sense |
| 22:42.22 | Erant | Yeah, VHDL can be bitchy. |
| 22:42.41 | ajray | kacyf: these are some of the best student programmers from all over the world competing for 1000 spots. it think it wont be easy. |
| 22:42.42 | Erant | I usually resort to a softcore, and then writing the peripherals. |
| 22:42.48 | Erant | So I can do most of my logic in C :P |
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| 22:43.14 | ajray | Erant: Verilog does a C-like logic syntax. (why i like it so much... its very much like c) |
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| 22:43.17 | dhoclone_plan9 | is glad to see that we don't have any yet. |
| 22:43.33 | ajray | dhoclone_plan9: any applications? |
| 22:43.36 | dhoclone_plan9 | Yes |
| 22:43.40 | p_l | O_O |
| 22:43.46 | dhoclone_plan9 | We got a couple first hour applications last year and they were awful. |
| 22:43.46 | ajray | its the first day |
| 22:43.49 | ajray | we have two weeks |
| 22:43.51 | dhoclone_plan9 | er, in 2007. |
| 22:43.54 | Erant | ajray: Best student programmers? Hmm... |
| 22:44.15 | ajray | dhoclone_plan9: I'm going over my applications with my research advisors here at University before submitting them.' |
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| 22:45.06 | p_l | ajray: I'd rather say that at least some of those student's aren't "best programmers", but rather weird (yes, I'm speaking about myself. I'm a total weirdo even among computing society) |
| 22:45.30 | Erant | p_l: No such thing. |
| 22:45.38 | dhoclone_plan9 | Yes there is <_< |
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| 22:45.55 | dhoclone_plan9 | ajray: That's not a bad idea |
| 22:46.09 | Erant | ajray: Whatchu applying to, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 22:46.41 | kacyf | I'm just worried. I want to be a part of a good development program this summer, and this seems perfect. The internships here aren't the greatest. |
| 22:46.50 | ajray | Erant: I love operating systems. so minix and now plan9. |
| 22:47.03 | ajray | Erant: do you know of any projects that could use a verilog programmer? |
| 22:47.09 | p_l | Erant: Well, at least in computing society I'm not the only weirdo (the president agreed to "batshit insane bisexual" label for herself xD) |
| 22:47.24 | dhoclone_plan9 | heh. |
| 22:47.25 | ajray | p_a: o.0 |
| 22:47.26 | caden_ | nice who's that |
| 22:47.34 | Erant | ajray: There's not many embedded projects. |
| 22:47.35 | dhoclone_plan9 | HAH |
| 22:47.39 | jblake | Portland State University is open to projects related to software-defined radio in Verilog. |
| 22:47.40 | ajray | Erant: and you |
| 22:47.41 | ajray | ? |
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| 22:47.56 | ajray | jblake: I'm in North Carolina.... its a bit far. |
| 22:48.02 | Erant | ajray: Rockbox for now, would like to write a USB Host driver. |
| 22:48.05 | dhoclone_plan9 | Woooooo NC |
| 22:48.10 | dhoclone_plan9 | was born in Chapel Hill |
| 22:48.27 | Erant | dhoclone_plan9: Yet you speak dutch? |
| 22:48.30 | ajray | dhoclone_plan9: ROCK ON! Even though I'm at NCSU. |
| 22:48.33 | kacyf | ajray: what part? I'm in the RTP area |
| 22:48.47 | ajray | kacyf: NCSU college of engineering |
| 22:48.48 | kacyf | ajray: UNC here |
| 22:48.51 | kacyf | crazy |
| 22:48.58 | p_l | btw, since so many people doing Verilog/VHDL: Any good books someone without any course in that area can try? |
| 22:48.59 | dhoclone_plan9 | Then moved around a bunch in Chapel Hill / Durham, then out west, then to Holland for 3.5 years (Erant ;)), then California, then New York, and now Maryland. |
| 22:49.11 | Erant | Ah |
| 22:49.23 | brlcad | kacyf: by any chance in the computer graphics dept? :) |
| 22:49.24 | caden_ | where in Holland? |
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| 22:49.46 | ajray | p_l: i found a really good book on verilog by itself, but the text: Digital Design, principles and practices is EXCELLENT in digital design and has Verilog, VHDL and ABEL. |
| 22:49.59 | dhoclone_plan9 | caden_: omgeving Zutphen / Deventer |
| 22:50.05 | kacyf | bricad: no, undergrad |
| 22:50.17 | MatthewWilkes | tries emailing the whole CS department at his university |
| 22:50.25 | MatthewWilkes | I wonder if I've still got post access to their list |
| 22:50.26 | caden_ | not familiar withthat... my grandfather was from rotterdam, mom/grandmom from Venlo |
| 22:50.31 | caden_ | i will look it up |
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| 22:51.09 | p_l | ajray: found it in library, will get it tommorrow :) |
| 22:51.11 | ajray | MatthewWilkes: If you log into the university servers you can step backwards onto our smtp servers and email the entire university. (taught in the comp security class here actually...) |
| 22:51.20 | Erant | dhoclone_plan9: That's not really anywhere near... well, anything really... |
| 22:51.24 | kacyf | bricad: I'm a CS undergrad. You? |
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| 22:51.31 | dhoclone_plan9 | Erant: It's not far from Arnhem |
| 22:51.45 | p_l | Arnhem... |
| 22:51.46 | dhoclone_plan9 | And Deventer and Zutphen aren't *that* small. |
| 22:52.05 | dhoclone_plan9 | Erant: But I bet you've never heard of Vorden :) |
| 22:52.13 | MatthewWilkes | finds an undergrad and asks him |
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| 22:52.26 | Erant | Well, yeah. But that's still nothing :P Universities and shit are all more to the coast. |
| 22:52.34 | Erant | dhoclone_plan9: Been there actually. |
| 22:52.35 | blast007 | kacyf: it's actually 'brLcad' ;) |
| 22:52.37 | dhoclone_plan9 | o_O |
| 22:52.48 | dhoclone_plan9 | What would cause you to go to Vorden |
| 22:52.58 | kacyf | blast007: hehe, that makes more sense |
| 22:53.05 | Ori_B | heads home. |
| 22:53.05 | blast007 | hehe |
| 22:53.06 | kacyf | brlcad: Where are you studying? |
| 22:53.13 | p_l | lol |
| 22:53.26 | Erant | dhoclone_plan9: Dunno exactly. Friend of mine lived in Enschede. |
| 22:53.41 | dhoclone_plan9 | Vorden's not *that* close to Enschede. |
| 22:53.55 | dhoclone_plan9 | anyway, my ex-fiancee was from Vorden, hence my knowledge |
| 22:54.14 | ajray | lol, scandinavian geography on the gsoc channel. i love programmers. |
| 22:54.16 | Erant | Ouch |
| 22:54.23 | Erant | Scandinavian? |
| 22:54.26 | Erant | Not so much |
| 22:54.30 | dhoclone_plan9 | eh it wasn't bad :) |
| 22:54.37 | ajray | ouch, sorry. how far off was i? |
| 22:54.38 | caden_ | little south of scandanavia |
| 22:54.47 | Erant | Netherlands |
| 22:54.55 | dhoclone_plan9 | back later, dinner |
| 22:54.55 | ajray | okay. my bad. |
| 22:54.55 | Erant | So in the ballpark |
| 22:54.58 | caden_ | scandanavia = norway, finland, sweden, and maybe denmark |
| 22:54.58 | dhoclone_plan9 | doei ;) |
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| 22:55.13 | Erant | ajray: I'm deeply offended. |
| 22:55.17 | caden_ | hah! |
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| 22:55.23 | Erant | AAH |
| 22:55.27 | ajray | Erant: please accept my humblest apologies. |
| 22:55.33 | Erant | *tip* |
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| 22:55.44 | Erant | Don't put your beer next to the fan exhaust of your laptop |
| 22:55.57 | Erant | It stops being cool. |
| 22:55.59 | ajray | doesnt drink so its not a problem. |
| 22:56.32 | Erant | Unfortunatly, it effects most beverages. |
| 22:56.37 | ajray | though i *might* have a caffiene addiction... too much coffee. |
| 22:57.21 | summatusmentis | ajray: don't drink because why? |
| 22:57.21 | caden_ | see Ajray, you are part Dutch, coffee is a staple there |
| 22:57.25 | summatusmentis | if you don't mind my asking |
| 22:57.32 | Erant | Coffee ftw |
| 22:57.40 | Erant | I live on the stuff |
| 22:57.50 | MatthewWilkes | Awesome - the new yellow pages ad is made by weebl! |
| 22:58.07 | ajray | summatusmentis: I never started. |
| 22:58.14 | brlcad | heh, thanks blast007 |
| 22:58.18 | brlcad | though I see they left |
| 22:58.45 | summatusmentis | ajray: so just habbit? |
| 22:58.48 | summatusmentis | habit* |
| 22:59.25 | ajray | summatusmentis: That, and I work a great deal. I assume that it would slow down my work. Whereas coffee speeds it up. |
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| 22:59.29 | caden_ | i don't drink either Ajray, except I tried it and found it made me depressed--- puts a damper on your social life in the states though, not drinking |
| 22:59.40 | caden_ | i'd rather have coffee too |
| 22:59.45 | ajray | caden_: Until you join the Linux User Group. |
| 22:59.54 | caden_ | nice |
| 22:59.59 | summatusmentis | I'm underage, so I don't drink, I'm just curious |
| 23:00.13 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: How old are you, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 23:00.17 | caden_ | summatus: that doesn't stop most people :) |
| 23:00.23 | ajray | caden_: you are right. a GREAT DEAL of social life in the US is based on drinking. so not drinking is kind of eccentric..... |
| 23:00.29 | ajray | ... whats wrong with eccentric? |
| 23:00.30 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: 20 |
| 23:00.39 | summatusmentis | caden_: it doesn't, that's true :) |
| 23:00.42 | caden_ | ajray: definitely nothing wrong! |
| 23:00.51 | antarus | posh |
| 23:00.54 | caden_ | makes life more interesting |
| 23:00.55 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: the politer and longer winded version of asl, eh? |
| 23:01.00 | antarus | I didn't start drinking until I travelled abroad |
| 23:01.10 | summatusmentis | ojwb: :-P |
| 23:01.30 | caden_ | so when you turn 21 will we find you head first in a keg? |
| 23:01.36 | MatthewWilkes | wow |
| 23:01.49 | summatusmentis | ojwb: "Furthermore, whereabouts do you reside?" |
| 23:01.55 | MatthewWilkes | First time I was drunk was 13, I think. Maybe 14. |
| 23:01.57 | summatusmentis | caden_: no, I know how to control myself :) |
| 23:02.02 | ojwb | grins |
| 23:02.04 | caden_ | give the thumbs up |
| 23:02.09 | Erant | Pfrt. I'm surrounded by americans O_O |
| 23:02.14 | caden_ | sry Erant |
| 23:02.18 | caden_ | maybe its the time of day |
| 23:02.26 | caden_ | it's right after work here |
| 23:02.30 | Erant | It's only midnight. |
| 23:02.33 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: Finally, and I regret my crudity in this regard, but would you mind terribly enlightening me as to your gender? |
| 23:02.43 | summatusmentis | ojwb: "Also, as a matter of inquiry, do you find yourself of male persuasion?" |
| 23:02.44 | MatthewWilkes | Erant: UK here. |
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| 23:02.57 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: oooh, that one's better :) |
| 23:02.57 | Erant | MatthewWilkes: Close enough |
| 23:03.12 | ajray | Erant: I'm an ignorant american. we have the worlds supply of idiots. |
| 23:03.14 | domonoky | invites everyone to oktoberfest in munich... (but you have to pay for yoursself) :-) |
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| 23:03.40 | MatthewWilkes | domonoky: Careful, we just might take you up on that |
| 23:03.49 | ajray | domonoky: thanks. I'd love to go sometime before I die. I dont drink, but i do play baritone. |
| 23:03.53 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: also, a guy, but /whois whould tell you that |
| 23:03.57 | ajray | and german bands are a lot of fun. |
| 23:03.59 | Erant | domonoky: I was actually contemplating that ;) Then again, I'm going to Berlin again in december |
| 23:03.59 | caden_ | we get to crash at Domonoky's house! |
| 23:04.10 | summatusmentis | ajray: wait, the brass instrument? or bari sax? |
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| 23:04.22 | p_l | domonoky: now, imagine few hundreds of students and mentors crashing on you ;-) |
| 23:04.29 | ajray | summatusmentis: this is in reference to german bands, what do you think? |
| 23:04.40 | ajray | p_l: best LAN party ever! |
| 23:04.45 | domonoky | *hehe* |
| 23:04.49 | summatusmentis | ajray: I don't know anything about german bands, I assume you mean brass though |
| 23:04.54 | ajray | get the BZFlag team over there. |
| 23:05.08 | p_l | ajray: I guess we would have to ask Google to sponsor some industrial level switches :D |
| 23:05.10 | domonoky | suspect not many are left after the first "mass of beer" :-) |
| 23:05.15 | ajray | summatusmentis: yes. the baritone actually plays a pretty important harmonic role. |
| 23:05.20 | TBOL3 | So, apperently I need to submit my W9 tax forms. My problem is that I just barly turned 18, and have never had a job. Do any of you have any recomendations? |
| 23:05.23 | MatthewWilkes | domonoky: I can take it :) |
| 23:05.35 | Erant | p_l: Ask the chaos communication club for some switches. |
| 23:05.36 | summatusmentis | ajray: I <3 sax, that's why I ask |
| 23:05.37 | ajray | p_l: we could try to borrow some from Google Berlin |
| 23:05.38 | p_l | doesn't drink alcohol. Coffee, otoh.... |
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| 23:06.05 | p_l | And I might talk something with T-Mobile. Will be fun :D |
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| 23:06.15 | MatthewWilkes | domonoky: *imagines the millions of litres of franziskaner* |
| 23:06.20 | summatusmentis | what is up w/ all these non-drinkers? I thought the way of showing graditude in OSS was buying someone a beer? |
| 23:06.30 | caden_ | how about an o'douls? |
| 23:06.42 | p_l | summatusmentis: I sometimes drink whisky/wine/champagne/vodka. But never beer. |
| 23:06.53 | caden_ | i'm happy to buy someone a beer... and then watch them with a creepy hungry look on my face as they drink it |
| 23:06.54 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: Indeed. Check out http://www.teamrubber.com/pints |
| 23:06.58 | summatusmentis | p_l: how come? |
| 23:07.00 | ajray | summatusmentis: you are right. I can t buy beer, so i contribute code. |
| 23:07.01 | p_l | Plus, I keep away from getting drunk. I don't want to explain corpses in the morning :P |
| 23:07.29 | TBOL3 | So, do any of you know what to do if you've never had to pay taxes in your life? (for submiting the w9 tax form). |
| 23:07.45 | caden_ | the first time i had to pay taxes i used turbotax which is hella easy |
| 23:07.47 | domonoky | drinking a mass of beer != drunk. you just need to train a bit :-) |
| 23:07.48 | summatusmentis | TBOL3: what do you mean what to do, fll it out |
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| 23:07.54 | ajray | TBOL3: in the US they have lots of instructions. just follow those (think 'man pages') |
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| 23:08.00 | p_l | TBOL3: nope, I'm in similar situation |
| 23:08.03 | caden_ | is the W9 the form you give to the employer when you start so they knwo to deduct? |
| 23:08.10 | Erant | p_l: You can also have to explain some more... pleasurable things. ;) |
| 23:08.11 | p_l | has to pay tax in two countries |
| 23:08.17 | summatusmentis | codestasher: yes |
| 23:08.20 | summatusmentis | lies |
| 23:08.27 | summatusmentis | caden_: yes |
| 23:08.47 | caden_ | well that form is like a page, right? fill out the worksheet and you probably wont' have any dependents |
| 23:08.47 | MatthewWilkes | domonoky: I'd rather have a quart than a Maà |
| 23:08.54 | p_l | Erant: I don't want drunken sex. I prefer my partners alive, awake, sober and willing. Which means I won't get any in my current life :P |
| 23:09.05 | ajray | ... |
| 23:09.06 | caden_ | don't sweat it too much, it's just an estimate |
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| 23:09.12 | ajray | avoids the current topic. |
| 23:09.14 | scorche|sh | wonders what is going on in here... |
| 23:09.24 | Erant | p_l: rofl. |
| 23:09.27 | p_l | scorche|sh: online induced drunkiness, I suppose |
| 23:09.28 | summatusmentis | scorche|sh: don't judge |
| 23:09.35 | TBOL3 | summatusmentis: Ok, thank's umm.. but wouldn't I have had to fill it out last december? |
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| 23:09.55 | summatusmentis | TBOL3: for which tax year? |
| 23:10.34 | summatusmentis | TBOL3: you've got until Apr. 15 to submit the 08 taxes |
| 23:10.57 | TBOL3 | summatusmentis: Umm Section 1.8 of ths TOS just say the W9, it doesn't have any particular year. |
| 23:11.22 | TBOL3 | summatusmentis: But then again, maybe it says a year lator... Anyway, thanks. I'll fill it out than. |
| 23:11.23 | summatusmentis | TBOL3: I'm confused as to what you're trying to do |
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| 23:11.41 | ajray | summatusmentis: obviously apply for GSoC 2009 |
| 23:12.23 | summatusmentis | the W9 form is so money gets taken out |
| 23:12.43 | TBOL3 | summatusmentis: I'm trying to apply for GSoC 2009, but apperently, I need to fill out the W9 Tax form to do so. As I've never had a job in my life, and I just barly turned 18 (infact, I'm still in High School, along with being in college), I've never done taxes ever. |
| 23:12.43 | summatusmentis | then you have to submit taxes by Apr. 15 of the following year |
| 23:12.46 | summatusmentis | (in the US) |
| 23:12.49 | p_l | summatusmentis: some people here haven't ever paid taxes and it scared them |
| 23:13.00 | summatusmentis | that W9 won't be due until you're accepted, first |
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| 23:13.06 | TBOL3 | summatusmentis: Ok, that's just it then? |
| 23:13.17 | TBOL3 | Fill out the tax form for last year? |
| 23:13.39 | summatusmentis | no, the W9 never changes, and isn't related to the year you do it in |
| 23:14.03 | summatusmentis | the W9 is for the employer to track the money you make |
| 23:14.11 | TBOL3 | Oh, than. Can you spare the tax illiterate a simple breif explanation to what it is? |
| 23:14.18 | TBOL3 | Oh, thanks. |
| 23:14.36 | jblake | It's so you'll be able to fill out your taxes next year, essentially. |
| 23:14.38 | p_l | TBOL3: don't worry, you have it simple |
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| 23:15.03 | TBOL3 | p_I: He, he. thanks. :( |
| 23:15.09 | summatusmentis | basically it's a page long, and you check off various things (if you have dependents, disabilities, etc.) so they would normally have to take money out of your paycheck |
| 23:15.23 | summatusmentis | as a GSoC student, they won't be anyway |
| 23:15.40 | p_l | TBOL3: I, on the other hand, have 2 different tax systems to cater for |
| 23:15.41 | TBOL3 | summatusmentis: Ok, thank you very much. I'll have it filled out. |
| 23:15.55 | summatusmentis | TBOL3: no need until you're accepted as a student |
| 23:16.12 | TBOL3 | Anyway, my Physics class starts in about 10 mins. So I have to go. Again, thank you so very much. |
| 23:16.25 | summatusmentis | good luck, W9s aren't hard |
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| 23:16.57 | summatusmentis | (it's the filing as self-employed, in two different states, needing to use weird 1040 forms that's hard) |
| 23:17.16 | p_l | summatusmentis: I've got two different _countries_ :D |
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| 23:17.25 | summatusmentis | p_l: christ, that sucks hard |
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| 23:17.56 | caden_ | why are all the data entry fields in the student application (name, address) lower case? |
| 23:17.58 | p_l | summatusmentis: as well as no money to pay taxes, probably. I have yet to get the tax forms my old employer sent (I was working over summer) |
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| 23:18.41 | summatusmentis | caden_: because the company Google uses to distribute t-shirts requires lower case |
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| 23:18.58 | MatthewWilkes | caden_: "Lower ASCII" is not "Lower case" |
| 23:19.12 | MatthewWilkes | caden_: "Lower ASCII" means the original set, not the extended ones |
| 23:19.41 | MatthewWilkes | socinfo: learn lowerascii as Not just lower case, see http://www.wiktel.com/standards/ascii.htm |
| 23:19.41 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 23:20.14 | caden_ | i have never heard this way of referring to ascii |
| 23:20.30 | caden_ | wouldn't it make more sense to refer to a particular character set |
| 23:20.40 | caden_ | lower ascii sounds a lot like lower case |
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| 23:21.01 | omniter | caden_, he's right. |
| 23:21.06 | caden_ | i'll go back and change it to capitalized so i don't look like an idiot |
| 23:21.08 | omniter | lower means 0-127 |
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| 23:21.28 | pavelo | ANSI_X3.4-1968. better? |
| 23:21.42 | p_l | shit, I've got everything in lower case too :D |
| 23:21.54 | caden_ | yes pavelo |
| 23:22.00 | caden_ | actually 7-bit ascii would have helped |
| 23:22.13 | caden_ | or "no diacritics or special characters" |
| 23:22.31 | pavelo | i agree |
| 23:23.11 | p_l | hmm... can we change the first name then to english variant? Pawel might be spelled weirdly by non-english speakers, and if it's not to use diacritics... |
| 23:23.32 | caden_ | i mean, i am a bit older and have more industry experience i think than a lot of the students applying, and have programmed with various character sets but i've never heard this "lower ascii" |
| 23:23.44 | Erant | Me neither |
| 23:23.56 | caden_ | not a big deal, just weird |
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| 23:23.57 | p_l | 7bit would be understandable |
| 23:24.06 | caden_ | it will be funny to see how many students fill in lower case |
| 23:24.06 | p_l | used 6bit charsets for some time |
| 23:24.10 | pavelo | p_l: errr, what? |
| 23:24.19 | p_l | caden_: certainly me :) |
| 23:24.43 | p_l | pavelo: not many get that 'w' in Pawel should be spelled like english 'v' :) |
| 23:25.01 | Erant | Pronounced? |
| 23:25.07 | p_l | ah, yes |
| 23:25.12 | pavelo | i don't have w in my name |
| 23:25.25 | p_l | pavelo: I'm talking about me :) |
| 23:25.48 | pavelo | right, nvm then |
| 23:26.11 | p_l | (Polish) PaweÅ => (English) Paul |
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| 23:26.37 | dhoclone_plan9 | dzien dobry! |
| 23:26.53 | caden_ | ok here's another question-- i am switching schools in the fall, and i would like to put down the school i'm going to because it's a PhD program which i think sounds cooler, or should i put down the school i'm attending now? or will they contact the new school and be annoyed that i'm not there yet |
| 23:27.07 | pavelo | dobru noc |
| 23:27.09 | dhoclone_plan9 | that and dzienkuje and pzrepraszam and kocham cie is about the extent of my polish. |
| 23:27.20 | lh | caden_: put down the school you are attending now. |
| 23:27.30 | lh | it's for our records, not for sharing with mentors. |
| 23:27.32 | caden_ | thanks lh |
| 23:27.33 | caden_ | ok |
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| 23:27.36 | p_l | s/pzre/psze/ |
| 23:27.38 | lh | so we know where to promote next year :) |
| 23:27.42 | dhoclone_plan9 | oh and chcialbym cos jesc |
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| 23:27.56 | caden_ | should i also put down "masters" because that is what i am in at the moment? |
| 23:27.56 | p_l | dhoclone_plan9: rather useful subset :) |
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| 23:28.12 | dhoclone_plan9 | p_l: Yeah, served me well. I love you. I want something to eat. |
| 23:28.22 | dhoclone_plan9 | Justyna didn't like that too much unfortunately |
| 23:28.27 | dhoclone_plan9 | her answer was always `make it yourself' |
| 23:28.38 | p_l | dhoclone_plan9: Polish is a rather hard language, though. Certainly it's harder than Japanese IMHO :) |
| 23:29.05 | Erant | Dutch is hard to get right as well. |
| 23:29.06 | MatthewWilkes | p_l: Do you speak japanese? |
| 23:29.19 | dhoclone_plan9 | Erant: I remember when I figured out when I was supposed to add -e to things. |
| 23:29.24 | dhoclone_plan9 | It was a revelation |
| 23:29.24 | MatthewWilkes | I've only done tiny bits of polish, couldn't get started |
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| 23:29.38 | borja | For a real linguistic adventure, I recommend Basque |
| 23:29.46 | Erant | dhoclone_plan9: The worst thing is that actual native speakers don't know the rules, they just guess. |
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| 23:29.56 | p_l | Mathiasdm: ã¡ãã£ã¨ |
| 23:29.56 | Erant | And we usually get it right, because it 'sounds right' |
| 23:29.59 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Where are the stats for previous years on numbers from institutions published? |
| 23:30.13 | p_l | argh, tab-completion strikes again |
| 23:30.20 | dhoclone_plan9 | Erant: Well it's difficult to memorize the gender of everything. I just look at vandale.nl for most things these days :\ |
| 23:30.49 | Erant | dhoclone_plan9: So that's one of the things that we guess, because it sounds right. :P |
| 23:30.54 | MatthewWilkes | p_l: ãããã¯ã¹ãããããã¾ã |
| 23:31.26 | Erant | English is the best language ever. |
| 23:31.31 | Erant | 'the' |
| 23:31.36 | dhoclone_plan9 | I like Dutch :\ |
| 23:31.45 | MatthewWilkes | dutch is ok |
| 23:31.45 | Erant | English is so easy though ;) |
| 23:31.48 | p_l | MatthewWilkes: I had the urge to use more japanese, but let's not pollute this channel in case someone doesn't have proper fonts ;P |
| 23:32.00 | dhoclone_plan9 | Dutch isn't difficult |
| 23:32.04 | dhoclone_plan9 | was fluent in 2 years |
| 23:32.13 | MatthewWilkes | p_l: :) |
| 23:32.16 | Erant | Some people have a knack for languages |
| 23:32.30 | MatthewWilkes | I have never learnt dutch, but knowing english and german is enough to understand quite a lot of dutch |
| 23:32.33 | dhoclone_plan9 | English and Dutch was it for me. |
| 23:32.49 | p_l | I found german harder than japanese |
| 23:32.50 | Erant | Same. Other way around though |
| 23:33.06 | [LocK] | p_l: with polish town you come from ? |
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| 23:33.38 | p_l | [LocK]: I lived most of my time in Warsaw, and spent nearly every summer mostly in Elblag |
| 23:33.53 | dhoclone_plan9 | wasawa! |
| 23:34.01 | dhoclone_plan9 | Except without the typo. |
| 23:34.29 | Upthorn | !timeline |
| 23:34.29 | p_l | s/sa/sza/ |
| 23:34.29 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 23:34.38 | p_l | lol |
| 23:34.39 | [LocK] | p_l: hi, i'm from szczecin ;> |
| 23:35.07 | p_l | [LocK]: Well, I'm now in Aberdeen, though (Scotland, Highlanders, men in kilts with bagpipes ;-) ) |
| 23:35.11 | pinochet | hi guys I am from Gdynia ;-) |
| 23:35.24 | p_l | wszÄdzie polaków znajdziesz... |
| 23:35.43 | [LocK] | i'm wondering how many peopel here are polish |
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| 23:35.52 | dhoclone_plan9 | p_l: see :) |
| 23:35.52 | t0ms | eh, good morning :)) |
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| 23:38.20 | t0ms | I have a question |
| 23:38.41 | jblake | OK. |
| 23:39.41 | t0ms | I'm graduating my high school this spring (may), I'm student of IBD program (ibo.org), can I apply for GSoC? |
| 23:39.54 | borja | !eligible |
| 23:39.54 | socinfo | "eligible" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#student_eligibility |
| 23:40.12 | t0ms | I read that... |
| 23:41.42 | t0ms | ok, then I consider IBD program as accredited institution :) |
| 23:42.30 | borja | t0ms: I think IBD would be what Google calls "an accredited pre-university educational program " |
| 23:42.45 | borja | t0ms: You have to be 18 years old on April 20th, though |
| 23:43.01 | t0ms | t0ms: I'm 18 |
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| 23:43.16 | t0ms | :) |
| 23:43.56 | ajray | t0ms: you could always contribute anyway. Open source is awesome like that. |
| 23:44.32 | t0ms | ajray: I know, I'm planning to implement the features to the project anyway |
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| 23:44.47 | t0ms | but it will be nice, If I do it as GSoC :) |
| 23:45.17 | ojwb | ah, that answer has been clarified, which is good |
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| 23:45.31 | ojwb | there seemed to be slightly conflicting answers going around |
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| 23:46.56 | chrispolk | is there someone I can speak with concerning a question about applying to gsoc? |
| 23:47.08 | ojwb | !ask |
| 23:47.09 | socinfo | Error: "ask" is not a valid command. |
| 23:47.12 | AndreLuiz | http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Vestibular/0,,MUL1054871-5604,00-NO+ES+ALUNOS+ERRAM+NO+PORTUGUES+EM+FAIXA+CONTRA+AUMENTO+DE+CARGA+HORARIA.html |
| 23:47.13 | AndreLuiz | opz |
| 23:47.14 | ojwb | oh, helpful |
| 23:47.14 | AndreLuiz | sorry |
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| 23:47.22 | summatusmentis | why is ask not a valid command? |
| 23:47.26 | ojwb | chrispolk: just ask, if anyone knows they'll say |
| 23:47.31 | ojwb | summatusmentis: no idea, used to be |
| 23:47.37 | jblake | It was getting overused. |
| 23:47.43 | jblake | Personally, I miss it. |
| 23:47.53 | ojwb | people overuse asking if they can ask a question |
| 23:48.08 | summatusmentis | overused? it was available earlier today |
| 23:48.54 | jblake | It was removed just a few hours ago. |
| 23:49.08 | jblake | (I don't have that in my backlog anymore, though) |
| 23:49.17 | chrispolk | I've been accepted to work on an open source project but my PhD student I will be working with has not applied for gsoc, is it still possible for my PhD student to apply as a mentor and me be paired with him? |
| 23:50.26 | borja | chrispolk: you can't apply directly to be a mentor; rather, open source organizations apply to be mentoring organizations and (usually) select mentors from their own communities of developers. Did you have a particular open source project in mind? |
| 23:50.52 | borja | chrispolk: (also, take into account that mentoring organizations for GSoC 2009 have already been selected) |
| 23:50.56 | borja | !timeline |
| 23:50.56 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 23:51.06 | ojwb | SRabbelier> Catfish_Man: why'd you make it forget ask? |
| 23:51.06 | ojwb | <Catfish_Man> SRabbelier: it's two lines instead of one, and it was being overused |
| 23:51.06 | ojwb | <SRabbelier> Catfish_Man: two lines instead of one? |
| 23:51.06 | ojwb | <Catfish_Man> SRabbelier: !ask and the response |
| 23:51.37 | chrispolk | yeah, well I'm an undergraduate so I was going to be applying as a student, the project is called MITK, it's a medical imaging open source software |
| 23:51.42 | Landon | borja: there is the google OSPO umbrella though |
| 23:52.13 | ojwb | if the options are repeatedly explaining to people by hand to just ask or getting on with something else useful, I'll do the latter |
| 23:52.37 | chrispolk | I was going to be working with a phd student who is apart of the german cancer institute |
| 23:53.12 | borja | chrispolk: uhm, but MITK isn't a mentoring organization, right? (I don't see it on the list of accepted orgs) |
| 23:53.19 | chrispolk | I had been accepted and paired with him through the DAAD RISE program |
| 23:53.37 | Landon | !faq |
| 23:53.37 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 23:53.42 | lh | chrispolk: that's a perfect application to submit to the google umbrella |
| 23:53.44 | lh | !noorg |
| 23:53.45 | socinfo | "noorg" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#no_org |
| 23:53.55 | chrispolk | yeah it's not an accepted one because they hadn't applied |
| 23:54.15 | chrispolk | I don't believe they had known about it and I had just received an email about this project a few days ago after the mentor deadline was up |
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| 23:55.08 | MatthewWilkes | chrispolk: Ah, cool, hadn't heard about RISE before |
| 23:56.01 | chrispolk | yeah I had applied and gotten accepted to work on an open source project |
| 23:56.26 | vinc456 | ugh, so i've been monitoring the irc channel and mailing list of the org i'm interested in, and i get the impression that i am probably in way over my head. ie) I may not have the technical clout to see the project through. Should I apply anyways or spend my time looking for another project? |
| 23:57.04 | chrispolk | and then I had found out about this and was seeing if it would be possible to make myself and the organization I would be working for apart of it |
| 23:57.37 | borja | vinc456: take a look at this: http://www.hawthornlandings.org/2009/03/getting-started-in-open-source-you-dont.html (the bottom line is go ahead and apply; GSoC is a learning experience, and many orgs will be happy to give you on-the-job training) |
| 23:58.49 | ThomasWaldmann | that url sounds a bit strange :) |
| 23:59.21 | borja | heh, yeah, the truncated title does sound a bit yoda-ish |
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