| 00:12.48 | proudfoot | christ |
| 00:12.51 | proudfoot | this channel feels empty |
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| 00:20.16 | adam-_- | hi proudfoot ! |
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| 03:04.34 | dberkholz | lh: if you're interested in such things, mburns (2007 olpc student) and i gave a gsoc recruitment talk on campus tonight. probably 40 people showed up. |
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| 03:26.59 | r0bby | I did a small informal presentation lasted all of less than 2 minutes |
| 03:27.15 | ecin | Seriously small, huh? |
| 03:27.20 | r0bby | well yeh |
| 03:27.32 | r0bby | my school's Math/CS club |
| 03:27.43 | r0bby | explained how payment worked |
| 03:27.54 | r0bby | a few may do it |
| 03:28.28 | summatusmentis | I don't wanna do presentations, I'm so bad at talking |
| 03:28.39 | summatusmentis | (not good for trying to get into PhD school) |
| 03:28.47 | summatusmentis | grad school* |
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| 03:49.05 | ecin | summatusmentis: won't get better without trying. Presentations are fun, you get people's time. |
| 03:49.27 | summatusmentis | I don't want people's time, they all stare at me :) |
| 03:51.51 | dmitrig01 | summatusmentis: lol |
| 03:52.49 | summatusmentis | dmitrig01: you think I'm kidding |
| 03:53.03 | summatusmentis | they all look at you expecting you to say something meaningful |
| 03:53.16 | summatusmentis | and then I never do |
| 03:53.26 | summatusmentis | (at least the way I see it) |
| 03:57.37 | proudfoot | don't worry |
| 03:57.48 | proudfoot | if they aren't laughing, you aren't completly doing it wrong |
| 03:58.39 | summatusmentis | heh |
| 03:59.00 | summatusmentis | I'm not _that_ worried about it, I just get anxious. |
| 03:59.07 | proudfoot | heh |
| 03:59.11 | proudfoot | what school btw? |
| 03:59.15 | summatusmentis | and I'm submitting a proposal tonight for undergraduate research >_> |
| 03:59.25 | summatusmentis | proudfoot: me? currently? |
| 03:59.33 | proudfoot | no in 10 years |
| 03:59.37 | proudfoot | though currently would be easier |
| 03:59.53 | summatusmentis | well, I was talking about grad school :-P |
| 04:00.01 | summatusmentis | I'm at http://morris.umn.edu |
| 04:00.04 | proudfoot | ah |
| 04:00.23 | proudfoot | I hope you don't plan on staying 10 years in grad school |
| 04:00.24 | proudfoot | :p |
| 04:00.54 | antarus | college is fun! |
| 04:01.20 | summatusmentis | I hope not, maybe 5 or 6, depending on if I get into doctoral school |
| 04:01.28 | summatusmentis | also, only technically a sophomore now |
| 04:01.55 | proudfoot | 5-6 + 2 |
| 04:01.57 | proudfoot | 7-8 |
| 04:02.04 | proudfoot | 10 years would mean 8 years in grad school |
| 04:02.28 | summatusmentis | yeah, that shouldn't happen |
| 04:02.35 | summatusmentis | also, props on the nic, btw |
| 04:03.04 | proudfoot | lol wut |
| 04:03.46 | summatusmentis | I like your nick :) |
| 04:04.10 | proudfoot | ty |
| 04:04.51 | summatusmentis | we'll see if I get into grad school or not |
| 04:05.12 | dberkholz | we just had someone interviewing for grad school here from umn-morris |
| 04:05.23 | summatusmentis | where is here? |
| 04:05.26 | dberkholz | oregon state |
| 04:05.33 | summatusmentis | oh, do you know the name? |
| 04:05.44 | dberkholz | no, but it was for the biochem program |
| 04:05.48 | proudfoot | ah |
| 04:05.57 | summatusmentis | hrm... guy? |
| 04:06.00 | dberkholz | girl |
| 04:06.10 | proudfoot | cuteness factor? |
| 04:06.21 | summatusmentis | huh... you should see if you can find out a name, I probably know her, or at least recognize the name |
| 04:06.26 | dberkholz | i'm trying to remember/find it |
| 04:06.49 | ecin | Still have an year to go, also thinking about grad school though. |
| 04:06.55 | proudfoot | heh |
| 04:06.57 | proudfoot | in todays economy |
| 04:07.01 | proudfoot | pretty good idea i think |
| 04:07.16 | proudfoot | though when i graduate i'll have to compete against you bastards :( |
| 04:07.54 | summatusmentis | you'll beat me, I'm sure |
| 04:08.05 | proudfoot | maybe maybe not |
| 04:08.06 | ecin | Well, depends what program you're going for. |
| 04:08.07 | proudfoot | we'll see |
| 04:08.18 | antarus | this seems like weird wisdom |
| 04:08.18 | proudfoot | i'm currently undergrad at UCSD |
| 04:08.32 | dberkholz | i don't think i have the info handy, summatusmentis |
| 04:08.33 | summatusmentis | antarus: what does? |
| 04:08.33 | proudfoot | it's pretty shitty atm, its fucking hot in march :( |
| 04:08.44 | summatusmentis | dberkholz: not a big deal, I was just curious |
| 04:08.44 | proudfoot | how the hell is it hot in march |
| 04:08.45 | antarus | do people with masters really make enough to make it worthwhile |
| 04:08.51 | antarus | sometimes I even question my undergrad ;p |
| 04:09.04 | summatusmentis | we're not a very big school, so everyone knows each other |
| 04:09.14 | proudfoot | ah |
| 04:09.23 | proudfoot | undergrad gives you a pretty nice piece of paper |
| 04:09.41 | dberkholz | it was something pretty ordinary like maureen or something |
| 04:09.44 | summatusmentis | antarus: if I were gonna go to grad, I'd be looking for a PhD, and RA/TA position, so wouldn't be paying for it, ideally |
| 04:09.51 | dberkholz | no idea what the last name was |
| 04:09.57 | summatusmentis | huh |
| 04:09.58 | proudfoot | you pay for it using your life |
| 04:10.01 | proudfoot | not with your money |
| 04:10.10 | proudfoot | its more expensive that way |
| 04:10.13 | summatusmentis | dberkholz: did she get in? :-P |
| 04:10.19 | proudfoot | for five years enjoy living on ramen |
| 04:10.27 | proudfoot | that should at least take a few years off your life |
| 04:10.45 | antarus | summatusmentis: you still pay for the money you didn't make assuming you got even a medoicre job |
| 04:10.45 | dberkholz | summatusmentis: she interviewed. don't think final decisions are made for another few weeks |
| 04:11.00 | summatusmentis | antarus: well, sure, I suppose |
| 04:11.06 | antarus | anyway if you want to go to grad school because you love it or you really want to; I say go for it |
| 04:11.12 | summatusmentis | I'd rather do research than code moneky work |
| 04:11.14 | proudfoot | also yeah, a phd makes what, min wage pretty much? |
| 04:11.21 | antarus | going to grad school because 'the job market sucks' just seems like a bad reason to me ;) |
| 04:11.28 | dberkholz | you don't see the earnings increase from a ph.d till the last 10-15 years of your career |
| 04:11.28 | antarus | proudfoot: er..what? |
| 04:11.30 | proudfoot | its actually quite a common reason |
| 04:11.37 | proudfoot | err a grad student |
| 04:11.40 | proudfoot | going for a phd |
| 04:11.40 | dberkholz | most people's salaries peak, in general ph.d ones continue increasing till they retire |
| 04:11.51 | proudfoot | not a phd holder |
| 04:12.04 | proudfoot | unless that phd happens to be critical analysis of literature |
| 04:12.07 | antarus | proudfoot: it depends on your job with your phd ;) |
| 04:12.24 | proudfoot | beaten :P |
| 04:12.32 | antarus | my profs pay was all public; so I could go look it up; and many of them made what I'd consider nice money |
| 04:12.41 | antarus | six figures |
| 04:12.41 | proudfoot | the thing is |
| 04:12.44 | proudfoot | someone with their capability |
| 04:12.52 | proudfoot | could do better in the private marketplace |
| 04:12.53 | proudfoot | generally |
| 04:13.16 | dberkholz | if your only factor in "better" is money, sure |
| 04:13.24 | summatusmentis | so get a PhD, and go into the private sector, if money is what defines 'better' for you |
| 04:13.33 | dberkholz | most people going into academia care a lot more about happiness |
| 04:13.56 | antarus | proudfoot: academia and the private section are pretty orthogonal environments |
| 04:14.05 | antarus | I'm not sure the same people would be successful in both |
| 04:14.05 | ecin | I just want to keep studying. |
| 04:15.15 | summatusmentis | ecin: I like the concept of studying cool things for the rest of my life |
| 04:15.57 | proudfoot | I just want to work on AI related stuff |
| 04:15.57 | antarus | meh, studying doesn't require college or paying absurb amounts of cash ;p |
| 04:16.12 | proudfoot | at a school, or for some military contractor |
| 04:16.13 | antarus | unless your field requires specialized equipment of course |
| 04:16.14 | proudfoot | i really don't care |
| 04:16.33 | summatusmentis | antarus: sure, not always |
| 04:18.02 | cjhopman | getting paid to study generally requires it though |
| 04:18.23 | summatusmentis | requires which? |
| 04:18.46 | cjhopman | the college part |
| 04:18.46 | proudfoot | going to school |
| 04:18.47 | ecin | It's true, but being around smart people is a really nice added bonus you get at grad school. |
| 04:18.56 | proudfoot | also having someone to direct you |
| 04:19.02 | proudfoot | e.g. adviser who can kick you out |
| 04:19.15 | proudfoot | I don't know about you guys, but if I was given time and a lab, I'm not quite sure i'd be too productive |
| 04:19.33 | proudfoot | its nice to have direction, its nice to have other people doing the same thing |
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| 05:13.34 | cheezey | hi |
| 05:19.27 | ecin | How friendly. |
| 05:21.49 | summatusmentis | research proposal submitted :) |
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| 05:36.58 | ecin | summatusmentis: care to detail? |
| 05:38.24 | summatusmentis | ecin: I want to implement a server location service in OpenAFS to allow for the client to interact with the best server (CPU load, network conditions, proximity, etc.) |
| 05:41.02 | ecin | summatusmentis: right now the server is randomly selected? |
| 05:41.27 | summatusmentis | essentially? There's a ranking system in place, but it's based on classful networks, which no longer apply |
| 05:42.08 | ecin | Sounds useful. :) |
| 05:42.13 | summatusmentis | I hope so |
| 05:42.19 | summatusmentis | I also hope I get funded |
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| 14:53.58 | scorche | ~timeline |
| 14:53.59 | ibot | http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html#0_1_timeline_5354032302481437_ |
| 14:54.03 | scorche | kunal: ^^ |
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| 16:51.38 | dukeleto | mornin' |
| 16:54.08 | spectie | hey all |
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| 17:11.52 | ajuonline | spectie: hey fran, how are you doing.. ? |
| 17:11.56 | spectie | hey |
| 17:11.57 | spectie | good thanks |
| 17:11.59 | spectie | just got home |
| 17:12.01 | spectie | i'm shattered |
| 17:12.14 | spectie | spent the day trying to formalise rules for translating breton verb structures to french |
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| 17:12.56 | danderson | spectie: that sounds... horrific :) |
| 17:13.07 | danderson | (though I only know french, not breton) |
| 17:13.07 | spectie | yeah |
| 17:13.12 | spectie | it doesn't help that i don't know either language |
| 17:13.16 | danderson | haha |
| 17:13.20 | spectie | so me and the breton guy sit down |
| 17:13.26 | spectie | with several grammars |
| 17:13.32 | spectie | (dead tree format) |
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| 17:13.39 | spectie | and walk through ... |
| 17:13.40 | spectie | present tense |
| 17:13.45 | spectie | present tense with direct object |
| 17:13.49 | spectie | present tense with direct object and indirect object ... |
| 17:14.02 | spectie | because of course, everything moved about all over the place |
| 17:14.16 | spectie | *moves |
| 17:14.35 | danderson | heh |
| 17:14.38 | danderson | worse than elvish :P |
| 17:14.49 | spectie | we actually had a guy start to work on elvish! |
| 17:14.52 | spectie | a korean |
| 17:14.58 | danderson | (grey elvish mutates verbs depending on their role in the sentence) |
| 17:15.09 | easwar | spectie, several grammar<s>? |
| 17:15.15 | easwar | ?? |
| 17:15.16 | spectie | easwar, yep |
| 17:15.22 | spectie | descriptive grammars |
| 17:15.23 | spectie | books |
| 17:15.46 | easwar | I never knew that was the plural of grammar |
| 17:16.04 | spectie | Roparz Hemon's 'Breton Grammar', Ian Press' 'Grammar of Modern Breton' |
| 17:16.04 | spectie | etc. |
| 17:16.15 | spectie | easwar, what did you think the plural was? |
| 17:16.23 | spectie | grammata ? |
| 17:17.14 | easwar | spectie, I didn't think,but possibly closer to grammaye,or gramarye,not that I'm sure of either of those |
| 17:17.33 | spectie | oh |
| 17:17.37 | spectie | well, it's from greek |
| 17:17.42 | spectie | so that is quite unlikely |
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| 17:18.04 | easwar | spectie, what is from greek,and what is quite unlikely? |
| 17:18.07 | spectie | we often use latin/greek plurals in english, but often you're just as safe with good old -s |
| 17:18.13 | spectie | easwar, the word 'grammar' is from greek |
| 17:18.27 | spectie | and -aye and -ye and not plurals that you generally find in greek |
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| 17:18.43 | easwar | spectie, ok |
| 17:18.48 | easwar | s/and/are |
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| 17:18.55 | spectie | yeah |
| 17:19.10 | spectie | easwar, 'grammar' means 'letter' in greek |
| 17:19.22 | spectie | sorry, 'gramma' |
| 17:19.24 | easwar | looks up Merriam Webster for meanings of grammaye and grammarye |
| 17:19.29 | hellocuckoo | any1 workin on Java here? |
| 17:19.33 | spectie | so 'grammata' would be the plural |
| 17:19.55 | spectie | i don't recognise those as english words easwar :) |
| 17:20.06 | ajuonline | got disconnected |
| 17:20.15 | ajuonline | spectie: that is an awesome set of tiring excercise your doing :P |
| 17:20.21 | easwar | spectie, probably,but I remember reading them in some english publication all right |
| 17:20.46 | spectie | easwar, probably a typo |
| 17:20.48 | easwar | spectie, probably being used as we use "au contraire" etc |
| 17:21.00 | easwar | spectie, nope |
| 17:21.16 | spectie | easwar, googling for it gives it as a proper name |
| 17:21.22 | spectie | but not as anything to do with grammar |
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| 17:21.36 | spectie | easwar, perhaps you could give me the reference ? |
| 17:21.45 | easwar | spectie, as I said,I'm not sure of either of those |
| 17:22.20 | spectie | ajuonline, :) |
| 17:22.21 | easwar | and spectie,it's been used often enough to get stuck in my head,but unlikely that I could give you one particular instance as a ref |
| 17:22.29 | spectie | ok |
| 17:22.32 | spectie | well, if you do come across one |
| 17:22.34 | spectie | let me know ;) |
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| 17:23.04 | easwar | spectie, will do |
| 17:23.07 | spectie | ... to be able to bring into presence what is absent, and that is why writing, the most |
| 17:23.08 | spectie | powerful means of representation, was called " grammarye," a magical act. ... |
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| 17:23.40 | spectie | that is just an old (and unusual) spelling of 'grammar' though |
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| 17:24.10 | spectie | probably from middle english |
| 17:24.14 | spectie | or early modern english |
| 17:24.18 | MatthewWilkes | spectie: I was just reading about that in a historical linguistics book yesterday |
| 17:24.26 | MatthewWilkes | Same root as glamour too |
| 17:24.48 | spectie | really? |
| 17:24.50 | spectie | interesting |
| 17:24.56 | spectie | r/l is not a surprising sound change |
| 17:25.11 | _sana | i saw that If i participate at GSoC i can't work as an intern anywhere, I misunderstand something ? |
| 17:25.17 | spectie | aha yes |
| 17:25.24 | spectie | MatthewWilkes, which book ? |
| 17:25.44 | easwar | or spectie,it was probably grammae,and not grammaye,the word which i recollect |
| 17:26.02 | spectie | -ae is a latin plural ending |
| 17:26.06 | _sana | spectie: that "aha yes" was for me ? :) |
| 17:26.24 | spectie | nope _sana for MatthewWilkes |
| 17:26.29 | _sana | ok |
| 17:27.21 | spectie | easwar, most of the hits for 'grammae' in google scholar look like OCR errors |
| 17:27.49 | easwar | spectie, hmm |
| 17:27.55 | spectie | http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=eWgCAAAAQAAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA1&dq=grammae&ots=iNJUsX4J9q&sig=DdD6JmGBAN8-jm9wk5E83o0L9zk#PPP13,M1 |
| 17:27.57 | spectie | for example |
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| 17:28.55 | spectie | ok guys |
| 17:28.58 | spectie | i'm going for a nap |
| 17:29.00 | spectie | see you all later |
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| 17:31.58 | MatthewWilkes | spectie: I think it was the dtv Atlas der deutschen Sprache |
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| 17:32.12 | MatthewWilkes | was just a comparative footnote |
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| 18:10.19 | ibuffy | is the money paid by google a grant? |
| 18:10.32 | ibuffy | or would i technically be working for google if accepted? |
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| 18:16.19 | ibuffy | eh? :) |
| 18:16.35 | adam-_- | hmm |
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| 18:20.42 | ibuffy | adam-_-: there were a few questions above. just urging someone to answer them, without trying to pester anyone |
| 18:23.26 | penyaskito | ibuffy, hi |
| 18:26.27 | ibuffy | hi penyaskito |
| 18:29.56 | penyaskito | ibuffy, did you need any help? |
| 18:30.04 | penyaskito | (I didn't see your questions) |
| 18:30.55 | ibuffy | penyaskito: yup |
| 18:31.01 | ibuffy | [12:10] <ibuffy> is the money paid by google a grant? |
| 18:31.03 | ibuffy | [12:10] <ibuffy> or would i technically be working for google if accepted? |
| 18:31.28 | penyaskito | ibuffy, technically, IICR, you are a self worker doing some work for Google |
| 18:31.38 | penyaskito | in any case you are a Google employee |
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| 18:32.14 | ibuffy | so... no grant? |
| 18:32.31 | ibuffy | paid work |
| 18:32.39 | ibuffy | ..that's what i needed to know |
| 18:33.43 | penyaskito | glad I helped |
| 18:33.54 | ibuffy | gracias penyaskito |
| 18:34.01 | penyaskito | de nada ;) |
| 18:34.12 | ibuffy | :) |
| 18:38.07 | summatusmentis | hi all |
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| 18:42.58 | summatusmentis | pwell, not a google employee |
| 18:43.11 | summatusmentis | you're a 'independent contracter' I believe |
| 18:43.29 | summatusmentis | s/pwell/well/ |
| 18:43.32 | ajuonline | yes ^ |
| 18:43.44 | ajuonline | its "contract" work. |
| 18:43.58 | Landon | yup you get a 1099 if in the US |
| 18:44.02 | ajuonline | not a google employee, for sure. |
| 18:44.07 | ajuonline | ibuffy: ^ |
| 18:44.16 | summatusmentis | Landon: how much in taxes are you paying? |
| 18:44.23 | Landon | havent done taxes yet |
| 18:44.27 | summatusmentis | my parents just did mine, and they said it's ridiculous |
| 18:44.30 | Landon | I'm waiting for my parents to file theirs first |
| 18:44.37 | Landon | I've heard $500ish |
| 18:44.41 | Landon | from other people |
| 18:44.46 | summatusmentis | my dad said $850 |
| 18:44.54 | summatusmentis | but I had some other income |
| 18:44.54 | Landon | wowee |
| 18:45.02 | summatusmentis | ugh, I know, right? |
| 18:45.02 | Landon | me too, >.< |
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| 18:46.04 | summatusmentis | I hope my parents screwed it up :-) |
| 18:46.25 | adam-_- | have you guys already done it last year? |
| 18:46.30 | Landon | eh |
| 18:46.30 | Landon | hm |
| 18:46.39 | summatusmentis | adam-_-: what? |
| 18:46.41 | Landon | summatusmentis: if your parents file your taxes, do you have to file them still? |
| 18:46.44 | Landon | I've been wondering about that |
| 18:46.50 | Landon | since I'm still a dependentmajig |
| 18:47.01 | adam-_- | well you're talking about paying taxes for the income, did you all already participate in gsoc last summer? |
| 18:47.05 | summatusmentis | I don't know... I think you might have to file separately |
| 18:47.11 | summatusmentis | adam-_-: oh, yes. |
| 18:47.15 | Landon | yeah, adam |
| 18:47.22 | adam-_- | how was it, what did you work on? |
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| 18:47.28 | pygi | hi hi |
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| 18:47.41 | summatusmentis | Landon: my understanding is your parents can claim you as a dependent, and they get some break, but you have to file additionally |
| 18:48.04 | summatusmentis | adam-_-: I had a huge learning curve, I was implementing file system calls for OpenAFS in the linux kernel |
| 18:48.24 | adam-_- | right yeh that sounds hardcore |
| 18:48.25 | summatusmentis | hi pygi |
| 18:48.34 | summatusmentis | it was hard, but I learned a lot |
| 18:48.49 | summatusmentis | and was apparently satisfactory enough to get paid |
| 18:48.50 | adam-_- | no doubt |
| 18:48.55 | adam-_- | cool stuf |
| 18:49.13 | adam-_- | yeh how does the payment work, are there many stories of students not getting paid? |
| 18:49.19 | summatusmentis | Landon on the other hand cheated :) |
| 18:49.27 | adam-_- | ? |
| 18:49.42 | summatusmentis | you get $500 for getting into the program, $2000 for passing mid-term evals, and $2000 for passing final evals |
| 18:49.58 | summatusmentis | he didn't cheat, he just did a relatively simple project |
| 18:50.03 | adam-_- | fair enough |
| 18:50.27 | summatusmentis | so yeah, if you don't pass mid-term evals you get dropped |
| 18:50.38 | adam-_- | i see |
| 18:50.40 | adam-_- | makes sense |
| 18:50.40 | DrJoel | adam.. the gsoc slides have a graph with pass/fail info. ~4/5 students pass. This has been consistent within a few percent since the 1st year |
| 18:50.51 | summatusmentis | same for final evals (although, they're at the end, so ultimately you just don't get paid) |
| 18:51.19 | summatusmentis | at least at mid-term evals, if you get dropped, you can potentially find another source of income |
| 18:51.25 | adam-_- | yeh |
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| 18:54.06 | DrJoel | sounds like we need a drill sergeant screaming "FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION!" |
| 18:54.30 | summatusmentis | DrJoel: that'd be wildly unhelpful for me |
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| 18:54.46 | summatusmentis | (tweak sessions were relatively common last summer) |
| 18:54.53 | summatusmentis | for me, that is |
| 18:54.54 | DrJoel | it wouldn't do much for me either.. i am more motivated by positive things. :) |
| 18:55.02 | penyaskito | DrJoel, some menthor I don't name said to a student I don't name neither: "There is no point in starting and failing" |
| 18:55.05 | summatusmentis | it would hurt me, in the long run |
| 18:55.12 | penyaskito | I printed the quote and have it on my door ;-) |
| 18:55.32 | summatusmentis | penyaskito: I disagree. Starting and failing can be valuable. |
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| 18:56.07 | summatusmentis | there's the learning process on your as you attempt to succeed, and sometimes it's helpful to experience 'failure' |
| 18:56.16 | DrJoel | i know we try to keep our projects realistically doable.. and this year are planning on providing a vmware image so all students have the same baseline |
| 18:56.20 | adam-_- | when do you guys (students) finish exams/term for the summer. i dont finish exams till early june and term till late june? im hoping i can work round this fact but im not sure if it might be too much of a barrier.. ? |
| 18:56.20 | penyaskito | summatusmentis, this menthor is very particular |
| 18:56.49 | summatusmentis | I finish exams in mid-may |
| 18:56.51 | DrJoel | failure can be a valuable experience.. it is often humbling and forces you to refocus. |
| 18:56.53 | penyaskito | adam-_-, there aren't barriers as long as you are sincere with your community |
| 18:56.58 | summatusmentis | DrJoel: what is your project |
| 18:57.00 | summatusmentis | ? |
| 18:57.08 | adam-_- | penyaskito: fair enough that's what i was hoping |
| 18:57.14 | penyaskito | adam-_-, if you apply, you should make a timeline about your future work |
| 18:57.30 | DrJoel | RTEMS (www.rtems.org) .. all our development is cross and the testing is mostly on simulators since few have target hardware |
| 18:57.34 | penyaskito | there you should point that your activity can be decreased in June |
| 18:57.46 | penyaskito | but there's a solution: start before may |
| 18:58.25 | penyaskito | adam-_-, take in account that in some countries, Summer of Code is winter |
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| 18:58.37 | summatusmentis | DrJoel: my org has talked about providing a VM, but no one has done it |
| 18:58.48 | penyaskito | but there are a lot of success stories from there too, of people that could study and work on GSoC at the same time |
| 19:00.00 | penyaskito | adam-_-, btw, in Spain we have exams until June end, and I've completed GSoC the last two summers ;-) |
| 19:00.16 | adam-_- | oh right, fair enough, that's encouraging |
| 19:00.40 | penyaskito | that's the purpose of this channel, encourage you to apply ;-) |
| 19:00.43 | summatusmentis | penyaskito: where in Spain are you again? |
| 19:00.54 | penyaskito | summatusmentis, Seville, southern Spain |
| 19:00.59 | summatusmentis | ok, that's what I thought |
| 19:01.03 | summatusmentis | we should meet up next fall |
| 19:01.06 | penyaskito | Are you coming? |
| 19:01.10 | summatusmentis | that's the plan |
| 19:01.11 | penyaskito | That will be great :-) |
| 19:01.13 | DrJoel | summa: it wouldn't have happened for us except that we were doing it already for testing.. and we had a student fail last year because the "of course i have a fedora computer" turned out to be 6 versions back and unsupportable by anyone on the project |
| 19:01.29 | summatusmentis | penyaskito: which uni do you go to? |
| 19:01.40 | penyaskito | summatusmentis, Universidad de Sevilla, same city |
| 19:02.03 | Landon | wot |
| 19:02.05 | Landon | I cheated? |
| 19:02.07 | summatusmentis | penyaskito: that's where my study abroad will be primarily |
| 19:02.15 | summatusmentis | Landon: just w/ your easy project :) |
| 19:02.21 | Landon | don't make accusations about me whileI 'm at lunch! I'm doubly vulnerable! |
| 19:02.25 | summatusmentis | haha |
| 19:02.27 | Landon | yeah :\ |
| 19:02.31 | penyaskito | summatusmentis, that's great! |
| 19:02.32 | Landon | even that was a little too much with my job |
| 19:03.05 | penyaskito | I thought that you were going to northern Spain |
| 19:03.05 | summatusmentis | DrJoel: I wish my project would do it |
| 19:03.32 | summatusmentis | penyaskito: I was contemplating it, but I don't want to go to a huge city, and the program I was going to go with doesn't like my Uni, or something |
| 19:03.56 | penyaskito | summatusmentis, if you need any paperwork, don't hesitate to contact me ;-) |
| 19:04.17 | adam-_- | summatusmentis: are you from the uk? |
| 19:04.19 | DrJoel | i hope it works for us. I figure students are more likely to have a fast Windows or Mac than a Fedora install... this will give us all a leg up.. easier for us to answer questions |
| 19:04.29 | summatusmentis | adam-_-: nope, I'm in the US |
| 19:04.32 | adam-_- | ah ok |
| 19:04.52 | summatusmentis | penyaskito: well, thanks :) |
| 19:05.02 | summatusmentis | adam-_-: you're a college student? |
| 19:05.19 | adam-_- | summatusmentis: university yes |
| 19:05.42 | summatusmentis | well, yeah... "college" and "university" are close to synonymous here :) |
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| 19:06.08 | adam-_- | yeh i realise, not quite the same over here, anyway yeh second year of comp sci |
| 19:06.16 | summatusmentis | very cool |
| 19:06.56 | Landon | I wish I could find a small business that needs a sysadmin :P |
| 19:07.18 | Landon | isn't sure where to start with that search though |
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| 19:08.42 | summatusmentis | Landon: small business? Generally, my impression of small businesses is that if they don't already have some tech person, you can't easily convince them they need one |
| 19:08.57 | summatusmentis | this is small businesses in rural Maine |
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| 19:08.59 | penyaskito | bbl |
| 19:09.05 | summatusmentis | peace penyaskito |
| 19:09.26 | penyaskito | knuckles summatusmentis |
| 19:09.37 | summatusmentis | knuckles? |
| 19:09.47 | Landon | summatusmentis: yeah, my job prospects are either flipping bits for gsoc or flipping burgers for $fastfoodjoint |
| 19:10.03 | summatusmentis | Landon: I advocate the former |
| 19:10.27 | summatusmentis | how did your applications for internships go? |
| 19:10.52 | Landon | I'm going to wait until next year to apply for facebook again |
| 19:11.01 | Landon | get some more algorithms experience under my belt |
| 19:11.05 | Landon | other than that.... |
| 19:11.17 | Landon | thats the only place that got back to me about my application :( |
| 19:11.22 | Landon | well, other than walmart |
| 19:11.31 | Landon | but they basically told me "Already filled"" |
| 19:11.44 | summatusmentis | oh, sad! |
| 19:12.08 | Landon | yeah, this seems an especially bad year for interning :P |
| 19:12.13 | ecin | The difference in skill requirements for those jobs is appalling. |
| 19:12.16 | Landon | my roommate had his internship pulled a month or two ago |
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| 19:12.36 | summatusmentis | wait, pulled? that's astounding |
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| 19:12.43 | Landon | indeed |
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| 19:20.33 | aluink | if a project is suited well for two organizations would a student be allowed to submit the application to both? |
| 19:20.44 | Landon | yup |
| 19:21.04 | aluink | how do you know? |
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| 19:21.31 | aluink | i'm not questioning, i'm just looking for proof |
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| 19:23.25 | araujo | aluink, you can submit up to 20 proposals ... or that was the case in previous soc |
| 19:23.27 | Landon | aluink: well no one's going to stop you from submitting |
| 19:23.45 | Landon | but you'd probaly be best off making sure it fits both orgs well |
| 19:24.20 | summatusmentis | yeah, I would talk to both orgs, just for the sake of it |
| 19:25.36 | Landon | in other news, heh: http://graphjam.com/2009/02/19/song-chart-memes-palin-president/ |
| 19:26.17 | aluink | Landon: yeah, i'm tlaking to both orgs right now seeing how they like the idea |
| 19:26.57 | aluink | i was a student in '07, i understand the importance of talking with orgs prior to application submissions |
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| 19:31.01 | Landon | cool :) |
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| 21:05.45 | dan | I have a random question.. |
| 21:06.10 | dan | What is the plural for Linux? |
| 21:06.38 | ecin | I've never seen linii. |
| 21:06.57 | ecin | For Unix, I've seen unixes or unices. |
| 21:07.26 | dan | ux and ix is such a hard ending of a word to make a plural for :P |
| 21:07.28 | rohananil | so linuxes it is then |
| 21:07.37 | cheezey | i use linuxes :D |
| 21:08.12 | dan | ok i'll use linuxes, thanks :P |
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| 21:30.19 | Erroneous | linuces beats linuxes in a googlefight |
| 21:30.37 | Erroneous | barely |
| 21:31.08 | Erroneous | and wiktionary lists both |
| 21:31.10 | dan | hehe |
| 21:31.22 | dan | if all else fails, settle it on a google fight |
| 21:32.45 | spectie | :) |
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