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| 00:30.26 | [mharrison] | Anyone have any suggestions for useful webapp GUI mockups? |
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| 00:31.51 | brlcad | [mharrison]: pen and paper |
| 00:32.02 | brlcad | very versatile |
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| 00:32.23 | [mharrison] | Yes. But I'm looking for what happens in between the pen and paper and the final app =P |
| 00:32.51 | brlcad | sounds like you have a step too many in there then |
| 00:33.04 | brlcad | or not enough effort on the pen and paper side of things |
| 00:33.35 | [mharrison] | My customer isn't big on pen and paper mockups, sorry |
| 00:34.12 | ChipX86 | that's too bad. Pen and paper mockups solve a lot of problems |
| 00:35.05 | ChipX86 | especially when it comes to things like QA or perception over the resulting look of a program based on the mockup |
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| 00:38.38 | MatthewWilkes | [mharrison]: I've heard good things about balsamiq |
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| 00:40.37 | brlcad | yeah, I'd say that was a problem in communication or salesmanship -- i've had customers that think they way more than pen and paper until I give them really nice pen and paper mockups and make the case for the overhead and schedule impact to make intermediate mockups outside of those design meetings whose sole purpose is to transcribe it into another mockup form |
| 00:41.18 | brlcad | if they don't trust your first mockup, they have no added basis to trust it in another form -- just a matter of setting expectations and communication |
| 00:42.26 | [mharrison] | Not only does my customer not like them in general, but anything I draw looks like a cracked-out weasel drew it |
| 00:44.05 | brlcad | hence my latter comment about needing better pen and paper mockups :) |
| 00:45.59 | brlcad | I assume your coding skills improve, so could your drawing skills ;) |
| 00:46.42 | MatthewWilkes | that, or start coding like a cracked-out weasel |
| 00:46.43 | brlcad | as for software tools, I've seen some decent mockups in keynote |
| 00:46.50 | brlcad | hehe |
| 00:47.27 | MatthewWilkes | I was in the pub with someone yesterday who spent the whole day working out why his for loop always started at the end condition |
| 00:47.29 | brlcad | as well as visio and flash -- but those weren't for webapps |
| 00:47.33 | MatthewWilkes | had a trailing ; |
| 00:47.39 | MatthewWilkes | You could do that too! |
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| 04:00.50 | unimauro | somebody here ? |
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| 07:07.30 | ajuonline | !faq |
| 07:07.30 | socinfo | "faq" is http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html |
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| 10:16.38 | kr0y | Is it too late to start searching for and giving your ideas? as most people said that you need to be greatly involved with the mentors/developers of the project a long time *before* GSoC starts |
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| 10:20.00 | thiago | no, it's not too late |
| 10:20.03 | thiago | but you are losing time |
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| 10:21.48 | kr0y | Okay there are a few organizations I would like to explore and work under but how to contact the mentors? Is IRC the only way? |
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| 10:24.30 | so_solid_moo | kr0y: most projects will have mailing lists or bug trackers |
| 10:25.25 | thiago | depends on the organisation |
| 10:25.32 | thiago | some prefer IRC, some prefer forum, some prefer mailing lists |
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| 10:26.15 | kr0y | Thank you, I will search more about it. |
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| 10:54.42 | Kitallis | wth |
| 10:54.47 | Kitallis | was i readingt right? |
| 10:55.04 | Kitallis | do i really need to give out ideas? |
| 10:55.11 | Kitallis | to orgs? |
| 10:55.26 | Kitallis | won't there be projects listed? |
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| 10:55.59 | kr0y | You can choose the amongst the project ideas listed and/or propose your own ideas |
| 10:56.06 | Kitallis | phew |
| 10:56.15 | Kitallis | ok |
| 10:58.27 | kr0y | what about those ideas, which do not fit into any organisation category?? |
| 10:58.52 | kr0y | I know that you have to submit it directly to Google but who should you talk to get it mentored??? |
| 10:59.18 | Kitallis | you probably can't do that |
| 11:00.43 | kblin | kr0y: you need to bring your own mentor for those |
| 11:00.44 | ojwb | actually, you can |
| 11:00.47 | ojwb | indeed |
| 11:00.50 | ojwb | but it's pretty rare |
| 11:01.16 | kr0y | How do we *bring* our own mentor?? |
| 11:01.32 | kr0y | Like ask someone expert in the field to apply as a mentor or something? |
| 11:01.36 | kblin | well, find somebody who'd be willing to mentor your project |
| 11:01.45 | ojwb | http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html#0_1_no_org_5787209437532225_84 |
| 11:02.32 | kr0y | Thanks |
| 11:02.47 | kblin | take note of the last two paragraphs, though |
| 11:02.54 | ojwb | indeed |
| 11:03.19 | kr0y | Yes, fat chance :-/ |
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| 13:41.39 | Landon | that was freaky |
| 13:41.51 | Landon | ssh'd to my laptop with X forwarding on |
| 13:41.58 | Landon | ran gnome-settings-daemon to see what the problem was |
| 13:41.59 | Landon | forgot about it |
| 13:42.12 | Landon | and came back and the screen was locked and my desktop password wasn't working :P |
| 13:42.24 | Landon | took me a while to figure out the prompt said landon-eee instead of landon-desktop |
| 13:42.35 | Kitallis | eh? |
| 13:42.55 | Landon | my laptops screensaver appeared on my desktop |
| 13:43.14 | Landon | and consequently the password prompt to unlock it |
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| 13:45.11 | Kitallis | i made a ssh triangle once |
| 13:46.01 | Kitallis | mac to pc; pc to dell; dell to mac |
| 13:46.16 | Kitallis | put a set of files in a loop |
| 13:46.56 | Kitallis | they revolved around |
| 13:49.51 | Kitallis | Lost is so addictive |
| 13:50.50 | Landon | I'm not going to watch a single episode until it's finished |
| 13:51.07 | Landon | that way I don't have to be one of those people waiting for every week to ass to get lost :P |
| 13:51.22 | Kitallis | i'm one of them crap |
| 13:51.33 | Landon | I'm one for Eureka :( |
| 13:51.35 | Landon | and now Dollhouse |
| 13:51.36 | Landon | :( |
| 13:51.46 | Kitallis | I watched 4 seasons in succsesion |
| 13:51.54 | Kitallis | then s5 is what i crave for |
| 13:51.57 | Landon | microcontrollers time! |
| 13:52.16 | Kitallis | i don't know; every other american tv show sucks |
| 13:52.34 | Landon | eureka?? |
| 13:52.35 | Landon | !?!?!? |
| 13:52.36 | socinfo | Error: "?!?!?" is not a valid command. |
| 13:52.37 | Landon | :P |
| 13:52.46 | Kitallis | eh? |
| 13:52.49 | Landon | egads, check your circuits |
| 13:52.52 | Landon | the show Eureka |
| 13:52.53 | Kitallis | !?!?!? |
| 13:52.53 | socinfo | Error: "?!?!?" is not a valid command. |
| 13:52.58 | Kitallis | lol wtf is this |
| 13:53.11 | Landon | ok, desperately need to run to class |
| 13:53.14 | kblin | stop the botwhacking, please |
| 13:53.18 | Kitallis | ok |
| 13:53.29 | ajuonline | ^5's kblin |
| 13:53.30 | kblin | gives socinfo a cookie |
| 13:53.37 | ajuonline | kblin: how are you my friend :D |
| 13:53.38 | Kitallis | lol a cookie? |
| 13:53.55 | Kitallis | wth Eureka airs in India |
| 13:54.08 | ajuonline | i am becoming a chain chocolate eater |
| 13:54.09 | ajuonline | duh! |
| 13:54.16 | Kitallis | and me a beer drinker |
| 13:54.32 | ajuonline | loser :P |
| 13:54.38 | Kitallis | :( |
| 13:54.46 | kblin | ajuonline: staying at home curing out a cold.. can't use a cold when I'm off skiing next week |
| 13:55.02 | ajuonline | kblin: skiing, where? |
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| 13:59.53 | kblin | ajuonline: switzerland |
| 14:00.12 | krish | wolah |
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| 14:00.46 | ajuonline | krish: burn! :P |
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| 15:23.49 | amit8-88 | !faq |
| 15:23.49 | socinfo | "faq" is http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html |
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| 18:16.12 | mlankhorst | evening |
| 18:16.40 | k_nishant | evening |
| 18:17.23 | k_nishant | me new to this gsoc |
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| 18:18.04 | k_nishant | no idea abt the organistion to choose |
| 18:19.13 | k_nishant | hello |
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| 18:24.36 | ajuonline | k_nishant: come to my room and ask me. |
| 18:24.40 | ajuonline | lol :D |
| 18:24.47 | ajuonline | !faq |
| 18:24.48 | socinfo | "faq" is http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html |
| 18:25.33 | k_nishant | ok |
| 18:25.46 | k_nishant | gone through all the details |
| 18:26.14 | ajuonline | k_nishant: you found an binteresting project yet? |
| 18:26.51 | k_nishant | kk |
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| 19:00.06 | ecin | What's the wiki that's referred to in the channel topic for flyers? |
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| 20:05.46 | sunny_slls | hello everybody |
| 20:05.53 | ThomasWaldmann | hi |
| 20:06.21 | sunny_slls | ThomasWaldmann, pleased to meet you |
| 20:07.59 | ThomasWaldmann | "", too :) |
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| 20:12.10 | sunny_slls | ThomasWaldmann, just got the news that gsoc is starting from march 18 |
| 20:13.11 | ThomasWaldmann | yes, then organizations will be published |
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| 20:13.46 | ThomasWaldmann | for orgs it will start march, 9th |
| 20:14.34 | summatusmentis | !timeline |
| 20:14.34 | socinfo | "timeline" is over, wait till next year. |
| 20:14.37 | summatusmentis | !faq |
| 20:14.38 | socinfo | "faq" is http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html |
| 20:14.42 | ThomasWaldmann | sunny_slls: if you are a student, don't wait until then :) |
| 20:14.49 | summatusmentis | is http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html |
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| 20:14.56 | summatusmentis | crap, sorry |
| 20:15.52 | summatusmentis | I didn't realize it was coming up so fast |
| 20:16.19 | sunny_slls | ThomasWaldmann, yup |
| 20:16.55 | ThomasWaldmann | btw, that video is nice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBRRR0BQyz0 |
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| 20:17.20 | sunny_slls | ThomasWaldmann, ya indeed that's a nice video |
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| 20:17.24 | sunny_slls | ThomasWaldmann, i saw that |
| 20:19.13 | ThomasWaldmann | did you already look at last years orgs and pick some interesting ones, just for the case? :) |
| 20:19.49 | sunny_slls | ThomasWaldmann, looking for it.. |
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| 20:21.16 | sunny_slls | ThomasWaldmann,i am interested in tux paint in tux4lids |
| 20:21.19 | spectie | hey all |
| 20:21.26 | sunny_slls | spectie, hi |
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| 20:21.43 | sunny_slls | ThomasWaldmann, sorry ! tux4kids |
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| 20:22.22 | Xterm | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.29 | Xterm | is it going to participate this year also?? |
| 20:23.01 | summatusmentis | first, google decides if they get in or not |
| 20:23.09 | summatusmentis | second, you should ask them |
| 20:23.19 | summatusmentis | third, past years are a decent indiciator |
| 20:23.24 | summatusmentis | indicator* |
| 20:23.47 | sunny_slls | ThomasWaldmann, for that i had a mail discussion with kendrick_ |
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| 20:25.46 | ThomasWaldmann | sunny_slls: sound's like the right man :) |
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| 20:26.24 | sunny_slls | ThomasWaldmann, thanks but i am not so suitable for such an appreciation |
| 20:27.08 | sunny_slls | ThomasWaldmann, well kendrick_ said that he might not be taking part as a mentor in gsoc 2009 |
| 20:28.29 | sunny_slls | ThomasWaldmann, he is very busy at this moment so i have to talk to some other guy for this |
| 20:28.48 | sunny_slls | ThomasWaldmann, by the way kendrick_ is a very jolly person |
| 20:29.21 | ThomasWaldmann | yeah, getting mentors is hard sometimes, esp. when the usual project guys are busy... |
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| 21:29.17 | AL4703 | will there be localisation this yr ? |
| 21:30.14 | Kamots | AL4703: nobody knows yet; Google is cutting the number of projects this year, and the mentor orgs haven't even applied yet |
| 21:33.37 | AL4703 | i've not done coding at a professional level, does that leave me with localisation as the only option to apply for? |
| 21:36.11 | ajuonline | AL4703: localisation is not summer of code. |
| 21:36.57 | Kamots | well, this program is for students and it's not expected that you're a professional developer on the side |
| 21:37.33 | Kamots | there are several projects which don't require extremely hard programming |
| 21:38.12 | rohananil | hey ajuonline, all |
| 21:38.20 | Kamots | but it certainly helps to know at least an intermediate level of understanding towards a few programming languages |
| 21:38.24 | rohananil | ajuonline: awesome work with sahana :) |
| 21:38.57 | ajuonline | rohananil: long time dude! thanks :) |
| 21:39.30 | rohananil | what else are you upto nowadays? |
| 21:40.04 | AL4703 | Kamots: can u name some such projects? |
| 21:40.40 | Kamots | well what are you interested in? web development? extensions to applications? |
| 21:41.53 | AL4703 | xtns to appls |
| 21:42.35 | AL4703 | openhardware |
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| 21:45.37 | Kamots | AL4703: i don't think i've seen many projects related to open hardware or the like |
| 21:45.54 | Kamots | but extensions to existing applications exist, like Mozilla's projects: http://code.google.com/soc/2008/ |
| 21:46.15 | spectie | <AL4703> i've not done coding at a professional level, does that leave me with localisation as the only option to apply for? |
| 21:46.16 | Kamots | Joomla had some as well |
| 21:46.26 | spectie | AL4703, which language[s] are you interested in? |
| 21:46.58 | spectie | i mean |
| 21:47.01 | spectie | languages for localisation |
| 21:48.29 | AL4703 | c, python |
| 21:49.58 | spectie | AL4703, no |
| 21:50.02 | spectie | i mean human language[s] |
| 21:50.59 | AL4703 | hindi, malayalam, english |
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| 21:51.06 | spectie | cool |
| 21:51.17 | spectie | i don't think there is much call for localisation into english though ;) |
| 21:51.35 | AL4703 | :) |
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| 21:57.44 | ajuonline | rohananil: made sure all the work I do somehow includes Sahana :) |
| 21:57.57 | ajuonline | thats all I have been doing really |
| 21:57.57 | ajuonline | rohananil: whats up with you ? |
| 21:58.51 | ajuonline | spectie: he aint talking MT :) he is talking l10n |
| 21:59.52 | spectie | ajuonline, i know |
| 21:59.57 | spectie | ajuonline, but the two can be linked ;) |
| 22:01.32 | ajuonline | spectie: ah, great :) forgive my knowledge of the domain then ;) |
| 22:04.44 | rohananil | ajuonline: still learning stuff on computer vision , not much progress in the code though, fixed some bugs , getting ready of the next release |
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| 22:05.59 | straydawg | lo |
| 22:06.10 | ajuonline | rohananil: awesomeness, good luck! :) |
| 22:07.03 | rohananil | come for waves(culfest) at my college(goa) its going to be awesome fun :) |
| 22:09.41 | rohananil | i think its on march 7th-9th |
| 22:09.54 | ajuonline | rohananil: dude, invite me. its on my birthday! |
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| 22:12.13 | rohananil | hehe :) , if you are really sure to come, then ill arrange the accommodation stuff |
| 22:12.48 | ajuonline | rohananil: i have always wanted to goto Goa ;) |
| 22:13.52 | ajuonline | rohananil: take it over to pm ;) |
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| 23:47.11 | hsz | hello ;) |
| 23:47.46 | Kamots | hi |
| 23:51.40 | hsz | did anyone know something about Zend in gsoc2009 ? |
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| 23:57.35 | ojwb | hsz: if you want to know whether a particular org is planning to apply, you're best bet is to ask them directly |
| 23:57.55 | ojwb | but google may not accept them this year - apparently they're likely to cut back the org numbers a little |
| 23:58.59 | hsz | ah, ok. i'll do it |
| 23:59.15 | hsz | hmm.. what is the reason of cutting off # of orgs ? |
| 23:59.30 | ojwb | isn't google |