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| 08:52.51 | aveek | Am a new user...want to know more about how to go about GSoC |
| 08:53.28 | Mordante | !faq |
| 08:53.28 | socinfo | "faq" is http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html |
| 08:53.34 | Mordante | aveek ^ |
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| 08:57.18 | kumar | hi mordante |
| 08:57.22 | kumar | ... |
| 08:57.29 | kumar | i had a douby |
| 08:57.31 | kumar | i had a doubt |
| 08:57.32 | kumar | .. |
| 08:57.35 | kumar | ! |
| 08:58.16 | kumar | i am joining a job in the middle of the program as i am graduating in the middle of the program |
| 08:58.16 | lut4rp | just ask, don't ask to ask |
| 08:58.17 | kumar | .. |
| 08:58.29 | kumar | can i still do soc |
| 08:58.31 | kumar | ? |
| 08:59.11 | kumar | please reply |
| 08:59.12 | kumar | .. |
| 08:59.27 | lut4rp | kumar: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2009faq |
| 08:59.40 | kumar | ok |
| 08:59.52 | kumar | got that means i can |
| 08:59.53 | kumar | ... |
| 08:59.54 | kumar | fine |
| 09:00.01 | kumar | one more thing |
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| 09:00.23 | kumar | most of the past projects seem very complex to me |
| 09:00.24 | kumar | .. |
| 09:00.26 | lut4rp | kumar: you need to be enrolled in the university on April 20, 2009 |
| 09:00.31 | kumar | ok |
| 09:00.37 | lut4rp | if you are, you can apply |
| 09:00.42 | kumar | ok lut4rp got your point |
| 09:00.42 | kumar | .. |
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| 09:01.13 | kumar | projects seem to be very complex ... why is it so? |
| 09:01.21 | kumar | do they seem vague to u too? |
| 09:01.28 | lut4rp | umm, that's very relative |
| 09:01.40 | lut4rp | what's easy to one, might be complex to someone else |
| 09:01.45 | kumar | ya |
| 09:02.12 | lut4rp | which is why you need to carefully screen and decide where you will apply. |
| 09:02.26 | lut4rp | you don't want to go for something that's above your capability. |
| 09:02.37 | kumar | ok |
| 09:03.09 | kumar | no suppose at this point of time , i dont know about some project,,, is it necessary that i shud know everything before applying about the project? |
| 09:03.19 | lut4rp | certainly not everything. |
| 09:03.28 | kumar | i mean before applying how much of experience is expected |
| 09:03.29 | kumar | ? |
| 09:03.29 | lut4rp | but you should have a fair idea of what you will be doing |
| 09:03.34 | kumar | ok |
| 09:04.01 | kumar | will the mentor check my knowledge in the field too? |
| 09:04.15 | lut4rp | kumar: you need to mention your experience in your application |
| 09:04.34 | aveek | any idea about screening process?? |
| 09:04.37 | kumar | suppose it is zero.... then? |
| 09:04.55 | aveek | very complex to me actually |
| 09:05.31 | kumar | is it still possbile to get accepted ... if i show a lot of interest and desire to do it |
| 09:05.33 | kumar | ? |
| 09:05.48 | lut4rp | tough chance. |
| 09:06.38 | lut4rp | its a tough competition anyway |
| 09:07.12 | aveek | i have one project...but don't have raw data required for it......if I release the idea before gathering it from research institutions....will my idea be safe |
| 09:07.36 | aveek | any way to publicise it so no one can lay claim to it before me |
| 09:07.54 | lut4rp | aveek: that's one thing that always bugs applicants. |
| 09:08.13 | lut4rp | but, your application discussion is usually public in the community of the project you're applying to |
| 09:08.36 | aveek | kumar, give it a shot.....G SoC has no such bars as I know |
| 09:08.59 | lut4rp | no such official bars of course. |
| 09:09.22 | kumar | ok aveek |
| 09:09.52 | kumar | but i dont have experience in any other field except php, mysql & web develpment |
| 09:09.52 | kumar | .. |
| 09:09.53 | aveek | also must have access to such data |
| 09:10.03 | kumar | which data |
| 09:10.04 | kumar | ? |
| 09:10.05 | Mordante | kumar what do you mean with complex projects? |
| 09:10.06 | kumar | aveek? |
| 09:10.06 | aveek | can you refer some contact?? |
| 09:10.11 | aveek | can you refer some contact?? |
| 09:10.15 | lut4rp | kumar: there at tons of organisations in that field? |
| 09:10.17 | Mordante | and the screening depends on the org where you apply to |
| 09:10.18 | lut4rp | field.** |
| 09:10.30 | aveek | raw data of research...am planning a simulation lab |
| 09:10.35 | kumar | with complex, i mean i am not able to get a feel of those projects |
| 09:10.42 | kumar | which are mentioned there |
| 09:10.48 | Mordante | every org has its own ideas about screening |
| 09:11.07 | kumar | lut4rp |
| 09:11.18 | kumar | lut4rp : i agre |
| 09:11.19 | Mordante | the orgs for this year haven't been selected yet ;-) |
| 09:11.31 | Mordante | what kind of project do you want to work on? |
| 09:11.47 | kumar | mordante: i was talking about last yr projects |
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| 09:12.10 | kumar | mordante: i wanted to work on projects related to parallel computing |
| 09:12.16 | kumar | .. |
| 09:12.26 | lut4rp | wanders away |
| 09:12.30 | Mordante | in know, but just wanted to warn you that last years list is no promise for this year |
| 09:12.52 | kumar | ok |
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| 09:17.15 | Mordante | kumar you can try to find such a project and inquire with them whether they intent to participate in the SoC |
| 09:17.48 | Mordante | in general I would advice to try to contact the org you're interested in soon |
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| 09:19.03 | aveek | thanks a lot...bye will sign off now |
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| 09:44.27 | Shafqat | Hi. Is it possible for me to be a part of the GSoC while my university semester is going on? |
| 09:44.56 | thiago_home | yes |
| 09:45.04 | thiago_home | but you should make that clear when you apply |
| 09:45.05 | Shafqat | ok thanks |
| 09:45.27 | thiago_home | your potential mentors have a right to know how much dedication they can expect from you |
| 09:45.49 | Shafqat | I see. What kind of skill level is expected for an applicant? |
| 09:46.07 | thiago_home | varies from org to org |
| 09:46.19 | thiago_home | most will tell you they expect someone who can write code in the language of their preference |
| 09:46.25 | Shafqat | ok. Thanks a lot for the information. |
| 09:46.27 | thiago_home | and is somewhat familiar with the tools and libraries in use |
| 09:46.36 | Shafqat | ok |
| 09:46.59 | Shafqat | I'm currently about to start studying civil enginerring(!), but I have been programming as a hobby for a while |
| 09:47.00 | thiago_home | you get more chances if you're very familiar, if you've already written an application related to that org and/or if you are an open source contributor |
| 09:47.16 | thiago_home | in other words, you're already losing time if you haven't started learning |
| 09:48.00 | Shafqat | ok. Yeah i've started developing a bit with KDE and Qt and am quite familiar with open source |
| 09:49.34 | thiago_home | good |
| 09:49.37 | thiago_home | anything I would know? |
| 09:50.38 | Shafqat | well, im currently learning Qt and making some small apps. But I want to work for KDE 4 because it looks exciting. |
| 09:50.48 | Shafqat | Also i've been making games for a long time |
| 09:51.16 | Shafqat | I read that the expected workload is about 5 hours a week. That doesn't sound like much. Can you please give any examples of the kind of goals an applicant is to complete? |
| 09:51.59 | thiago_home | KDE will expect you to be at least 20 hours a week |
| 09:52.20 | Mordante | O_O 5 hours? |
| 09:52.40 | sid0 | 5 hours a week? |
| 09:52.43 | sid0 | eh |
| 09:52.43 | Mordante | that souds really low |
| 09:52.53 | sid0 | spent 30-40 hours |
| 09:52.58 | thiago_home | you can take a look at past students' successes and gauge for yourself how much time you'd need to dedicate to accomplish that |
| 09:52.59 | Shafqat | From the website: 11. How much time is required to participate as a mentor in Google Summer of Code? ...Five hours per student per week is a reasonable estimate. |
| 09:53.09 | sid0 | Shafqat: that's "as a mentor" |
| 09:53.09 | Mordante | _mentor_ |
| 09:53.17 | sid0 | though I think that's pretty low too |
| 09:53.19 | Shafqat | whoops sorry thats the mentor. my fault |
| 09:53.36 | Shafqat | i knew there was something wrong ;). Sorry abt that |
| 09:53.38 | Mordante | I just wanted to say 5 hours sounds more as mentoring ;-) |
| 09:53.56 | sid0 | Mordante: actually I remember my mentor spending like 10 hours a week with me :/ |
| 09:54.07 | sid0 | around 2 hours a day, every weekday |
| 09:54.41 | Mordante | well it depends on the student I spend less time mentoring |
| 09:55.01 | thiago_home | also there's a limit to the cost/benefit ratio |
| 09:55.06 | Mordante | at least I think I did, but never looked how long we spend on irc... |
| 09:55.15 | thiago_home | if the mentor spends more time helping the student than he would spend doing it himself... |
| 09:55.32 | Mordante | of course, but you hope the student will become a contributor after gsoc |
| 09:55.39 | sid0 | thiago_home: fwiw that 2 hours included a lot of non-GSoC talk |
| 09:55.42 | thiago_home | yes, you have to factor that into account |
| 09:55.56 | thiago_home | but most students (in our experience) do not stick along afterwards |
| 09:56.10 | thiago_home | if we can get 20% staying, that's a win |
| 09:56.53 | Mordante | I only have one year experience so no idea about the percentage |
| 09:57.05 | so_solid_moo | that sounds surprisingly low :/ |
| 09:57.15 | sid0 | yeah |
| 09:57.17 | so_solid_moo | has no experience but always imagined it was a bit better than that |
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| 09:57.39 | sid0 | I mean clearly some people are in it for the money alone |
| 09:57.42 | sid0 | but still |
| 09:57.47 | thiago_home | not really |
| 09:57.52 | Shafqat | Well i was interested in joining open source projects before i heard abt GSoC |
| 09:58.12 | thiago_home | but they sometimes get disillusioned, or find better things to do (like studying!) |
| 09:58.24 | so_solid_moo | it surprises me because usually contributors feel like they 'own' code they write, but I understand them having conflicting priorities |
| 09:59.09 | Shafqat | Has anyone been able to participate in GSoC before during a semester? Because in my country(NZ) we have holidays on opposite times compared to US. |
| 09:59.13 | sid0 | I've certainly been contributing less because of school, but I routinely take on decent-sized projects |
| 09:59.24 | sid0 | (fix the mozilla build system! \o/) |
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| 10:01.45 | thiago_home | Shafqat: we've had Southern Hemisphere students in KDE in the past |
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| 10:02.19 | Shafqat | ohk. thanks thats reassuring. |
| 10:03.47 | thiago_home | not sure about NZ, but it may have happened |
| 10:04.20 | thiago_home | however, since the time to dedicate is considerably less, your application has to shine in other ways |
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| 12:59.16 | teamregis | hello all |
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| 12:59.37 | teamregis | Will Google Chromium be part of GS0C 2009 |
| 12:59.42 | teamregis | ? |
| 13:00.04 | lut4rp | the organizations list isn't out yet |
| 13:00.44 | Gurpartap | but interesting question :) |
| 13:00.53 | teamregis | ok. I will just ask in the chromium channel. |
| 13:01.12 | teamregis | RT|Chatzilla: hello |
| 13:04.06 | lut4rp | teamregis: if Google itself is included as an organization, i'd say Chromium would be included in it |
| 13:04.25 | gpolo | Google org tends to be a catch all |
| 13:04.51 | teamregis | lut4rp: Are you sure? That would be awesome |
| 13:05.02 | lut4rp | teamregis: i'm not sure :/ |
| 13:05.10 | gpolo | teamregis: there are more chances of webkit participating than that happening |
| 13:06.19 | teamregis | gpolo: I really really want to work on porting Chromium to Linux |
| 13:06.41 | gpolo | teamregis: maybe you can ask someone at your uni or something like that to be your mentor ? |
| 13:06.52 | gpolo | so you may use the Google org that acts as a catch all for these situations |
| 13:07.03 | The_Sorce | hi all |
| 13:07.25 | The_Sorce | do you guys think it'd be possible to participate in GSOC without having any specific project ideas of your own? |
| 13:07.42 | The_Sorce | the GSOC website tends to focus a bit much on "students submitting project ideas" |
| 13:07.45 | teamregis | gpolo: Shouldn't my mentor have to be a Chromiun developer? |
| 13:08.08 | The_Sorce | I'd just like to do some coding, don't really care much what I do, as long as the language is one of the ones I'm fluent in. |
| 13:08.23 | gpolo | teamregis: it would make more sense if he knew the project, yes |
| 13:08.49 | gpolo | The_Sorce: some organizations do not provide concrete project ideas, so in these cases you have to provide your own |
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| 13:21.32 | TusharGhosh | Hello Friends , I have a question or two regarding projects in GSOC |
| 13:21.39 | TusharGhosh | can anybody help?? |
| 13:22.30 | TusharGhosh | Hello??? |
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| 13:24.08 | TusharGhosh | Anybody? |
| 13:25.10 | Ivanovic | noone can help unless you *ask* questions |
| 13:25.50 | Ivanovic | and in irc you should *not* expect immidiate reactions |
| 13:26.02 | Ivanovic | assume that it takes a while till you get an answer |
| 13:26.11 | Ivanovic | so basic thing to do: |
| 13:26.20 | Ivanovic | 1) say hi (we are all polite, aren't we?) |
| 13:26.26 | Ivanovic | 2) ask your question(s) |
| 13:26.28 | TusharGhosh | Hi |
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| 13:26.32 | Ivanovic | 3) wait for answers |
| 13:26.59 | Ivanovic | (longer than a minuite, it can easily take an hour till you get a qualified reply) |
| 13:27.09 | TusharGhosh | Can you tell what are the essential skills required to be a part of GSOC |
| 13:27.30 | TusharGhosh | I am a Sophomore and dont know much about GSOC |
| 13:28.04 | beket | Being a student basically & be allowed to work in your country. I guess there are more infos on gSoC FAQ. |
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| 13:28.56 | TusharGhosh | I am interested to do work on open source software but I dont find anybody to guide me |
| 13:29.24 | TusharGhosh | Also i am having basic skills of C,C++, php, html |
| 13:30.18 | beket | TusharGhosh, you need to find an organisation that hosts projects of your interest. Then pick a project idea from their site ( or propose your own ). Find their channel in freenode, subscribe to their mailing lists, etc. |
| 13:31.02 | TusharGhosh | how to find the organisation as such |
| 13:31.37 | beket | The organisations that will be sponsored in 2009 aren't announced as of yet. |
| 13:31.45 | beket | But, you can have a look at last years' |
| 13:31.52 | beket | http://code.google.com/opensource/organizations.html |
| 13:32.12 | TusharGhosh | So, then what are the essential things that an organisation looks at? |
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| 13:32.45 | beket | TusharGhosh, that depends I guess. |
| 13:32.57 | beket | TusharGhosh, see what NetBSD expects from its candidates: http://www.netbsd.org/contrib/soc-application.html |
| 13:33.51 | beket | That's just an example. |
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| 13:39.52 | TusharGhosh | Can anybody tell what are the things to be done if one has a project in mind? |
| 13:41.21 | TusharGhosh | beket |
| 13:42.07 | sivaji | TusharGhosh, post your idea to Open source project organization website |
| 13:42.14 | beket | TusharGhosh, get in contact with the developers of th project: find their website, join their channel in freenode, subscribe to their mailing lists, talk to them. |
| 13:42.40 | TusharGhosh | Can you tell me the website |
| 13:43.31 | TusharGhosh | Also, I being a Second Year Engineering student dont have much exposure in implementation of projects |
| 13:45.24 | sivaji | dont worry your mentor will help you, wait for sometimes i am searching for the link to help you |
| 13:46.06 | sivaji | TusharGhosh, http://ubuntuslave.blogspot.com/2009/02/all-about-gsoc-2009.html |
| 13:46.27 | TusharGhosh | How to get in touch with a mentor |
| 13:47.20 | beket | TusharGhosh, you will be assigned a mentor when your application will be accepted. In the meantime you have to come in contact with the developers of the project. |
| 13:48.18 | TusharGhosh | Apart from initating a project can anybody contribute to a project |
| 13:48.28 | sivaji | it seems you are not clear about how gsoc works, i would suggest you to read this http://code.google.com/soc/ |
| 13:49.02 | beket | TusharGhosh, of course. We are talking about contributing on existing projects. Not starting your own :) |
| 13:49.04 | TusharGhosh | Its not that,since its the first time, i am quite confused |
| 13:50.11 | beket | TusharGhosh, for example a gSoC application would "Implement X feature in Joomla" or "Write a driver for X device in Freebsd" or "Add video support in pidgin" and stuff like that. |
| 13:52.23 | TusharGhosh | But since i am only accustomed to using programming languages in its basic implementation, I have no experience in writing the above mentioned applications |
| 13:53.06 | beket | TusharGhosh, those were just examples to help you understand that we are talking about contributions to *existing* projects (joomla, freebsd and pidgin already exist). |
| 13:53.53 | TusharGhosh | So, can you help in any way? |
| 13:54.09 | beket | What do you mean ? |
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| 13:55.37 | TusharGhosh | Sorry, that was not meant for you. Basically, I mean that where to get the list of projects in GSOC |
| 13:57.01 | beket | Look at last year's http://code.google.com/soc/2008/ |
| 13:58.12 | Ivanovic | TusharGhosh: in general the best thing to do at the moment is go to some open source project you are interested in and offer to help them |
| 13:58.22 | Ivanovic | that is: help them fix a bug or implement some easy feature |
| 13:58.40 | Ivanovic | ask them if they can help you getting into the code, and they most likely will lend you a helping hand |
| 13:58.52 | TusharGhosh | Where to find open source projects? |
| 13:59.00 | MatthewWilkes | !orgsbycat |
| 13:59.01 | socinfo | Error: "orgsbycat" is not a valid command. |
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| 13:59.03 | MatthewWilkes | hmm |
| 13:59.10 | MatthewWilkes | !orgsbylang |
| 13:59.10 | socinfo | Error: "orgsbylang" is not a valid command. |
| 13:59.19 | MatthewWilkes | could have sworn that was the command |
| 13:59.24 | beket | TusharGhosh, did you look at the link I gave you ? :) |
| 14:00.20 | MatthewWilkes | http://genmapp.org/gsoc/mentors_by_category.htm |
| 14:00.24 | MatthewWilkes | TusharGhosh: ^^^ |
| 14:00.32 | MatthewWilkes | is a partial list |
| 14:02.25 | TusharGhosh | yes I did look at the link beket |
| 14:03.49 | beket | TusharGhosh, see under "Mentoring Organizations". There are a whole lot of open source projects to join. Also the link from MatthewWilkes has them sorted by category. |
| 14:04.45 | TusharGhosh | yes, if i am interested in aproject, what should i do and whom should i approach? |
| 14:05.09 | brlcad | TusharGhosh: "it depends" .. on the project, on you, on them |
| 14:05.14 | brlcad | talk to them |
| 14:05.28 | MatthewWilkes | TusharGhosh: SoC is about initiative, not asking for help all the time but researching yourself |
| 14:05.44 | TusharGhosh | Yes, now I do get it |
| 14:05.50 | brlcad | every open source community communicates over some common method -- maybe an irc channel, maybe a mailing list, maybe through their website |
| 14:06.05 | brlcad | find one that interests you, find where the talk, and talk to them |
| 14:06.31 | TusharGhosh | brlcad were you a part of soc last year |
| 14:06.34 | brlcad | introduce yourself and what you're interested in -- most groups will be very helpful from that point if you've done your homework |
| 14:06.46 | brlcad | TusharGhosh: for the past two years, yes |
| 14:07.06 | TusharGhosh | are you a software developer or student? |
| 14:07.36 | beket | In gSoC that distinction get blurry :) |
| 14:07.39 | beket | gets* |
| 14:07.42 | MatthewWilkes | hehe |
| 14:07.50 | MatthewWilkes | Indeed, I'm certainly both! |
| 14:07.55 | brlcad | org admin and mentor |
| 14:08.02 | thebolt | not only in gsoc it gets blurry |
| 14:08.08 | thebolt | some of us are both all the time.. |
| 14:08.37 | TusharGhosh | Actually I being an inexperienced person do tend to ask questions which might look foolisf to you!! |
| 14:08.47 | brlcad | everyone involed is usually a "software developer" by definition of involvement :) |
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| 14:08.55 | brlcad | not strictly speaking, but most are |
| 14:11.00 | brlcad | TusharGhosh: being inexperienced is perfectly fine -- asking questions is great, most of us love questions -- they just should be reasonably thought out questions |
| 14:11.31 | TusharGhosh | Yes, thats true brlcad |
| 14:11.53 | brlcad | if you're asking questions that are quickly answered by a couple minutes of on-line searching, you'll eventually start to piss people off usually |
| 14:12.05 | brlcad | if you ask people to think for you, you'll eventually piss them off |
| 14:12.42 | brlcad | asking for help after you've done your background work, though, is great |
| 14:12.49 | TusharGhosh | What are the past projects that you have worked on brlcad |
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| 14:13.29 | brlcad | TusharGhosh: ehm, heh .. that's a bit too much to itemize here |
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| 14:13.41 | thebolt | :-) |
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| 14:14.00 | TusharGhosh | brlcad just in brief if you can? |
| 14:14.39 | brlcad | easier to say that these days, I spend most of my time working on BRL-CAD, BZFlag, and CIA |
| 14:15.01 | brlcad | (cia isn't a gsoc org/project) |
| 14:15.32 | TusharGhosh | It has been quite nice talking to you though,learned quite a lot. |
| 14:16.02 | thebolt | brlcad: btw, remembering related to bzflag.. first time ever two weeks ago someone recognized the open source project i happened to have on my t-shirt.. which was a bzflag t-shirt |
| 14:16.38 | thebolt | brlcad: strangely it was a good-looking canadian girl (had played it in comp-sci class in uni :P) |
| 14:17.13 | brlcad | TusharGhosh: compliments don't buy you anything -- code and productive contributions will, though ;) |
| 14:17.32 | TusharGhosh | yes |
| 14:17.33 | brlcad | thebolt: haha |
| 14:17.35 | TusharGhosh | thats true |
| 14:17.36 | brlcad | that's great |
| 14:17.41 | Ivanovic | thebolt: not bad |
| 14:18.22 | brlcad | thebolt: now if that only worked for me! |
| 14:18.31 | Ivanovic | remembers back the time when sitting in the "couch pool" at out cs department and some dude told me "hey, i found a great open source game, turnbased strategy" |
| 14:18.32 | brlcad | j/k, bzflag gets all the babes ;) *ahem* |
| 14:18.50 | TusharGhosh | Any project that begineers like me can participate? |
| 14:19.05 | Ivanovic | was really funny when he said that since he just meant wesnoth and yeah, i already knew it... |
| 14:19.06 | brlcad | TusharGhosh: just about every org has some |
| 14:19.07 | Ivanovic | ^^ |
| 14:19.26 | thebolt | yea.. given that i wear different open source t-shirts 4-5ish days a week i would have expected someone recognized any of them.. but nah |
| 14:19.51 | TusharGhosh | While browsing, I didnt find this that they had anything tagged for "the begineers" |
| 14:19.56 | brlcad | TusharGhosh: start with that list of *categories* of projects, and pick just one or two that interest you -- *not* orgs that you recognize, but the category (like gaming, graphics, networking, operating systems, etc) |
| 14:20.24 | brlcad | TusharGhosh: you'll just have to talk to them and interact with their community |
| 14:21.02 | Ivanovic | ask a project you are interested in for some beginner tasks |
| 14:21.05 | thebolt | 2009 organizations are not selected yet.. so its a bit hard to do that though ;-) |
| 14:21.08 | Ivanovic | all projects tend to have some of those |
| 14:21.28 | Ivanovic | that is: go to *any* open source software project you are interested in and just talk to them |
| 14:22.29 | beket | By the way, from my tiny experience I sense that organizations are a bit numb at the moment. There isn't much going on there. Perhaps I am wrong though. |
| 14:22.48 | TusharGhosh | Hope so |
| 14:23.23 | brlcad | beket: that varies org to org, but the energy doesn't kick in until org applications are open often |
| 14:23.47 | beket | That must be it. |
| 14:24.40 | Ivanovic | at wesnoth we are *very* active atm since we are about to approach a new stable release... |
| 14:24.47 | thebolt | brlcad: well, there isn't much to do thats visible.. |
| 14:24.54 | thebolt | Ivanovic: i think they mean w.r.t. gsoc ;) |
| 14:24.59 | brlcad | beket: nothing procludes a student from getting involved *now* and start working on something -- making bug fixes or little helpful feature changes |
| 14:25.15 | Ivanovic | thebolt: uhm, i see there no much difference |
| 14:25.25 | beket | Sure. Never said the opposite. Just a feeling I got. |
| 14:25.28 | Ivanovic | since for wesnoth those student are integrated into the normal team |
| 14:25.47 | Ivanovic | that is: there is not so much distinction |
| 14:26.19 | Ivanovic | students working on a summer of code project get some extra attention, but in general every new (and old) contributor gets the attention needed and other devs help out when needed |
| 14:26.28 | brlcad | showing initiative well before the program begins would gets a lot more attention than someone that jumps in the week applications are due |
| 14:26.37 | Ivanovic | brlcad: exactly |
| 14:27.23 | thebolt | Ivanovic: i mean there isn't much activity related to _this_ years gsoc projects.. as it hasn't really started yet |
| 14:27.35 | Ivanovic | a great experience we just had at wesnoth: a possible soc candidate (the one how just has not made it in but was closest from the non accepted ones) joined our irc chan again and provided some really good fixes |
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| 14:28.18 | Ivanovic | when mentioning to him that we will try to get into SoC he said that he was not sure if he wanted to participate this year, he just wanted to help out with the project |
| 14:28.50 | beket | A project that doesn't worth being implemented outside gsoc, doesn't worth inside either. IMHO. |
| 14:28.52 | brlcad | thebolt: to the orgs, they're just "work that needs to get done" |
| 14:29.10 | brlcad | gsoc just provides a timeline for someone to help with that work |
| 14:29.39 | brlcad | someone willing to work outside that timeline (before and after) is a driving goal of the program |
| 14:29.51 | thebolt | brlcad: well, being an org admin i'd say that is not neccesarily 100% true.. |
| 14:30.04 | brlcad | if you're not interested in working with that org outside of GSoC, then that student probably shouldn't apply |
| 14:30.21 | Ivanovic | thebolt: uhm, in general all our project are "stuff we would really like to have" |
| 14:30.32 | thebolt | some of the projects we've accepted in the past have been projects nobody within the project haven't thought about.. and i suspect the students wouldn't have found us without gsoc |
| 14:30.42 | Ivanovic | but lots of it is stuff that we simply do not have the resources for getting them in soon |
| 14:31.09 | brlcad | thebolt: likewise, but they're the exception to the rule, not the rule ;) |
| 14:31.20 | Ivanovic | but yeah, we just provide some "basic ideas" and students often got better ones for completely different, not listed there, projects |
| 14:31.25 | thebolt | i'd say in our case its 50-50 |
| 14:31.37 | brlcad | two of our best projects were from students, but they were also exceptional students |
| 14:32.25 | Ivanovic | yes, those who clearly invest time into their proposal, research on what makes sense and how it makes sense, seem to be the better students |
| 14:32.36 | Ivanovic | and while researching those often have really good ideas of their own |
| 14:33.03 | brlcad | that were then quickly hired up after gsoc into an internship program *shakes fist* so they couldn't participate the next year |
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| 20:49.12 | baris | hi, i'm a student that appropriate to apply for gsoc. but after i watched http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBRRR0BQyz0, i am confused a little. i have to intern in this summer, can i still apply for gsoc |
| 20:51.12 | baris | what does it mean "enrolled as a part time student as of april 20, 2009"? at 1:11 in the video |
| 20:51.12 | baris | anyone can explain? |
| 20:51.17 | Shaan7 | baris: though i think according to rules you can. But you should NOT. Don't put your legs in two boats at the same time :) |
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| 20:52.36 | baris | thank you shaan7. but i desire to join the gsoc and meet new people. i think my internship will not be hard, i think i can handle that. |
| 20:53.02 | Shaan7 | baris: on April 20, 2009, you should be a student enrolled in an educational insituition (to be approximate) |
| 20:53.26 | Shaan7 | baris: well, all the best then :) |
| 20:53.52 | Ivanovic | baris: be carefull, do not underestimate the work for an gsoc project |
| 20:54.05 | Ivanovic | it is basically a summer of *full* work |
| 20:55.24 | baris | ok thanks for advices ivanovic. by the way, shaan7 are you turk? " put your legs in two boats", is there an idiom like that in english? |
| 20:59.52 | Shaan7 | baris: nah, but it was fun doing a word to word translation. hope you dont mind :) |
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| 22:42.26 | Xterm | where can i find new ideas declared by pidgin for gsoc 09?? |
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| 23:00.27 | pygi | hiiii |
| 23:00.41 | pygi | :P |
| 23:01.35 | Xterm | where can i find new ideas declared by pidgin for gsoc 09? |
| 23:01.57 | pygi | best place? |
| 23:02.00 | pygi | Your head... |
| 23:02.31 | Xterm | but it's not clicking there.. |
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| 23:10.51 | MatthewWilkes | oldddddddd |
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