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| 00:35.19 | summatusmentis | !faq |
| 00:35.20 | socinfo | "faq" is http://code.google.com/soc/2008/faqs.html |
| 00:35.30 | summatusmentis | socinfo: unlearn faq |
| 00:35.30 | socinfo | Error: "unlearn" is not a valid command. |
| 00:35.50 | summatusmentis | socinfo: faq is http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html |
| 00:35.50 | socinfo | Error: "faq" is not a valid command. |
| 00:36.09 | summatusmentis | k, no idea, someone else should change it to reflect the new '09 FQ |
| 00:36.12 | summatusmentis | FAQ* |
| 00:37.57 | r0bby | !hgop |
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| 00:38.00 | r0bby | !ghop |
| 00:38.00 | socinfo | "ghop" is The Google Highly Open Participation Contest: http://code.google.com/opensource/ghop/2007-8/ |
| 00:38.34 | Landon | higoop |
| 00:38.51 | r0bby | Landon: i love you man |
| 00:38.55 | Landon | :\ |
| 00:39.09 | r0bby | in a platonic way! :) |
| 00:39.13 | r0bby | Note: I'm sober |
| 00:39.19 | r0bby | which quite possibly makes it worse |
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| 01:48.38 | brlcad | ~seen lh |
| 01:48.40 | ibot | lh <n=lhawthor@nat/google/x-332f91d0cd17a1dd> was last seen on IRC in channel #gsoc, 7d 1h 53m 39s ago, saying: 'scorche: indeed. and looking forward to it. :)'. |
| 01:49.08 | brlcad | anyone know if lh is in cali this week? |
| 01:49.13 | scorche | perks up |
| 01:49.25 | brlcad | hey scorche |
| 01:49.30 | scorche | hey |
| 01:49.46 | scorche | i dont know about this week, though i would imagine so |
| 01:49.55 | summatusmentis | brlcad: she's back on twitter, so I would guess so? |
| 01:50.08 | scorche | i know she will be in socal for SCaLE at least |
| 01:50.11 | brlcad | hm, good sign |
| 01:50.15 | brlcad | okay, cool -- thx |
| 01:50.15 | summatusmentis | also, again active on melange lists, although that doesn't require being in cali |
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| 02:00.16 | r0bby | misses lh :( |
| 02:00.38 | r0bby | I need to drive her nuts, if i don't the world will simply explode... or is it implode... i can never tell |
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| 02:05.34 | scorche | glares at r0bby |
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| 02:18.14 | r0bby | makes faces at scorche |
| 02:18.17 | r0bby | :) |
| 02:18.32 | scorche | doesnt think a ":)" is a terribly bad face to make |
| 02:18.34 | r0bby | I need a table |
| 02:19.52 | Landon | ( wondering who read xkcd :) ) |
| 02:21.26 | r0bby | oh god it reeks in here |
| 02:21.54 | scorche | r0bby: take a shower...it helps |
| 02:22.40 | r0bby | i will |
| 02:22.48 | r0bby | I was lazy today |
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| 02:27.34 | summatusmentis | Landon: seen it |
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| 02:28.54 | summatusmentis | guys, I want a cool nerdy tattoo |
| 02:30.22 | scorche | welcome to the club |
| 02:30.37 | Landon | heh |
| 02:30.42 | Landon | I don't especially care for tattoos |
| 02:31.34 | summatusmentis | I'm not sure I do either, but they're kinda interesting |
| 02:31.46 | Landon | eh |
| 02:31.48 | Landon | just dont get a logo |
| 02:31.54 | Landon | that's the ultimate lameness :P |
| 02:31.55 | scorche | i just havent found somethign worthy enough |
| 02:32.43 | summatusmentis | Landon: I completely agree |
| 02:32.50 | scorche | that said, there are some pretty aweosme ones here http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/science-tattoo-emporium/ |
| 02:32.53 | Landon | has flashbacks to Wild Hogs |
| 02:33.07 | Landon | a kmap would be cool |
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| 02:34.37 | FPSDavid | hi there |
| 02:34.55 | summatusmentis | kmap? |
| 02:35.34 | Landon | karnaugh map |
| 02:35.48 | Landon | for boolean operations |
| 02:35.59 | Landon | I'd do it for xor |
| 02:38.04 | summatusmentis | I want something I understand, but csci related |
| 02:38.04 | summatusmentis | hacker emblem is cliche |
| 02:38.10 | Landon | ministallman |
| 02:38.11 | Landon | :P |
| 02:39.59 | summatusmentis | haha |
| 02:40.11 | summatusmentis | tux is also cliche |
| 02:40.34 | scorche | you should really go through that link above...some really awesome ones ;) |
| 02:40.40 | summatusmentis | I'm looking now |
| 02:40.56 | Landon | sees plenty of molecules |
| 02:41.19 | scorche | !faq |
| 02:41.19 | socinfo | "faq" is http://code.google.com/soc/2008/faqs.html |
| 02:41.26 | scorche | !forget faq |
| 02:41.27 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 02:41.34 | summatusmentis | lots of bio type things |
| 02:41.39 | summatusmentis | forget |
| 02:41.41 | summatusmentis | obviously |
| 02:41.49 | summatusmentis | not unlearn, like I tried earlier |
| 02:42.09 | scorche | i dont think you can do it anyway |
| 02:42.12 | scorche | do !whoami |
| 02:42.25 | summatusmentis | well, you should make it learn http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html |
| 02:42.38 | scorche | yup...planning on it |
| 02:42.51 | summatusmentis | !learn faq is http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html |
| 02:42.52 | socinfo | Error: access denied (factoids.learn). |
| 02:42.56 | scorche | !learn faq as http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html |
| 02:42.57 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 02:43.03 | summatusmentis | nope, it hates me |
| 02:43.23 | scorche | !whoami |
| 02:43.23 | socinfo | trusted |
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| 03:30.36 | ravenlock | Tax question: doing taxes. enting my 1099-misc from G from GSoC 2007. Using turbo tax. when I tell TT I "did not perform services for G"... its says G made an error on my 1099-Misc. |
| 03:30.39 | ravenlock | thoughts? |
| 03:31.10 | ravenlock | anyone recv Mentoring Org donations, and done their taxes yet? |
| 03:31.21 | Landon | hrm |
| 03:31.38 | Landon | pretty sure theres a few here that have done their taxes with TT |
| 03:31.58 | ravenlock | if I choose anything other than "I did not perform services" then TT thinks I'm self employed. |
| 03:32.03 | Landon | maybe not in here right now though >.< |
| 03:32.03 | ravenlock | which doesn';t sound right. |
| 03:32.12 | ravenlock | since *I* did nothing, but recv the $ |
| 03:32.25 | ravenlock | Landon: hm. kk. |
| 03:33.09 | ravenlock | alright. Well, I'll push thru it. I can always change it later. |
| 03:33.18 | ravenlock | any idea who it may have been, so I can ping them later? |
| 03:33.35 | Landon | wait, is this for payment as a student? |
| 03:33.42 | ravenlock | no, mentoring org. |
| 03:33.54 | Landon | oh, not sure |
| 03:34.05 | Landon | I know mharrison has done his as a student or at least started on it |
| 03:34.06 | ravenlock | I recvd all $ for the org. and then distributed to the mentors and the org. |
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| 04:53.19 | dberkholz | self-employment tax sucks, btw. |
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| 06:43.42 | davidL | Can the same project idea be submitted to multiple mentoring organizations? |
| 06:44.03 | Landon | if applicable, why not |
| 06:44.52 | brlcad | if it sounds like you're just shoving the same app without regard to the respective organizations submission guidelines, it probably won't help your chances one bit though |
| 06:45.08 | brlcad | you should talk to those orgs and ask them |
| 06:45.28 | davidL | Of course |
| 06:46.19 | brlcad | unless I happened to have the exact same suggested idea posted as another org, I'd be kinda miffed at a student if they submitted the same app to me as to another org without talking to me about it |
| 06:47.38 | brlcad | we've received apps in previous years that are blatent submissions to other projects where the student didn't even bother to refer to our org/project in the write-up -- that application is quickly off the list of consideration |
| 06:49.38 | brlcad | even if it was an honest mistake, it was a lazy one that speaks to the student's character more than the write-up, so keep in mind who your audience is and tailor accordingly would be my suggestion |
| 06:51.12 | scorche | yup...we got those too, and they were marked down the list quite quickly as it was obvious they were just cookie cutters |
| 06:52.05 | scorche | you really will be better off putting a lot of thought into each application and perhaps sending off 2-4 really good ones instead of 20 mediocre ones that are mostly the same |
| 06:54.29 | scorche | after all, you do have 2 weeks to submit applications (not counting the days before that period and the org selecction where you can already be thinking about the application while knowing exactly which orgs will be participating) |
| 06:58.14 | dberkholz | if you are going to do that, at least make the minimal effort of customizing it for each org. |
| 06:59.07 | dberkholz | you could have a similar core of the project, but you still need to explain why it's relevant to each org and probably customize the project itself to some extent too |
| 06:59.46 | dberkholz | as scorche says though, you're best off making an app that is a perfect fit for an org. |
| 07:00.20 | dberkholz | ending up ranked 10/30 by each of 10 orgs that each have 5 slots doesn't help you much |
| 07:01.48 | davidL | Thanks all for the insight |
| 07:02.59 | dberkholz | looks like you're already in plenty of irc channels, so i probably don't need to tell you that participating in the communities you're applying to earlier is better |
| 07:04.06 | davidL | too many irc channels ;) |
| 07:04.32 | brlcad | and don't try to game it, just put honest effort into a couple communities and you will shine above other applicants unless what you're interested/capable of working on really just doesn't work for that community |
| 07:05.04 | brlcad | think about which projects you'd want to work on regardless of gsoc, on your own time |
| 07:06.07 | brlcad | if the answer is none, then you're at a big disadvantage and it will show |
| 07:06.12 | scorche | and of course, dont just submit an application and wait for them to decide on it...talk with the org before and after you submit it to find out what they are looking for, what they think you should change, etc |
| 07:06.16 | brlcad | (your answer shouldn't be "none") |
| 07:06.39 | davidL | I know exactly what I want to do :) |
| 07:06.48 | scorche | thinks that we are going to be answering this question a lot and should just go back to linking student-advice ;) |
| 07:06.53 | scorche | !student |
| 07:06.53 | socinfo | Error: "student" is not a valid command. |
| 07:06.57 | scorche | !advice |
| 07:06.58 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
| 07:07.02 | scorche | there we go |
| 07:07.23 | scorche | is going to have to remember all of the factoids again |
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| 07:07.50 | Landon | is there a !factoids command? |
| 07:07.51 | brlcad | davidL: have to be careful there -- that could very easily get interpreted as a selfish desire to find someone to "sponsor" you on "your" project |
| 07:07.57 | Landon | :P |
| 07:08.16 | dberkholz | it's kinda nice to answer it manually a few times to get back in the groove |
| 07:08.21 | brlcad | they want you to become a new contributor to their community, so whatever project you work on has to be mutually interesting |
| 07:08.29 | scorche | Landon: i wish |
| 07:08.50 | davidL | my university has been an org since 2006, and they aren't very tightly bound to existing open source projects |
| 07:09.07 | dberkholz | guesses portland state |
| 07:09.13 | davidL | yup |
| 07:09.41 | dberkholz | haskell was a giveaway. |
| 07:09.46 | scorche | it is still good to have backups ;) |
| 07:10.00 | davidL | dberkholz: heh, why's that? |
| 07:10.04 | kblin | morning folks |
| 07:10.17 | brlcad | ~gsocadvice is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents and http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors |
| 07:10.18 | ibot | okay, brlcad |
| 07:10.18 | dberkholz | morning sir. |
| 07:10.22 | brlcad | howdy kai |
| 07:12.17 | dberkholz | davidL: because bart is extremely enamoured of it |
| 07:12.51 | davidL | ah yes. I saw him at the portland FP users group |
| 07:13.04 | kblin | dberkholz: there's worse... we do our "introduction to comp sci" course in scheme here |
| 07:13.46 | dberkholz | they did C here till a couple years ago |
| 07:14.00 | kblin | apart from learning to love editors with brace-highlighting, that doesn't really help for anything you're going to do later |
| 07:14.20 | dberkholz | C for 1 quarter to weed out people who don't get pointers, then java. |
| 07:14.53 | kblin | hehe |
| 07:15.58 | scorche | brlcad: what is the use of duplicating the factoids to ibot? |
| 07:16.00 | brlcad | java to weed out the rest? |
| 07:16.19 | brlcad | scorche: so I can spout them off in other channels |
| 07:16.22 | dberkholz | they recently switched to all java. |
| 07:16.27 | davidL | kblin: intro to cs, is that taught with SICP? |
| 07:16.43 | dberkholz | i think it's a really bad decision on their part, and they gave in to quantity instead of quality |
| 07:17.01 | dberkholz | now pretty much the whole curriculum is java using ide's |
| 07:17.12 | scorche | brlcad: alright...i just dont want it to get confusing by having 2 active bots in the channel each spouting factoids/trying to remember which factoids are on which bot/etc =) |
| 07:17.41 | dberkholz | well, it's getting late here. time for me to sleep. |
| 07:17.43 | brlcad | absolutely, another good reason to just always add to both bots, then never a question which bot :) |
| 07:18.15 | kblin | davidL: SCIP? |
| 07:18.22 | brlcad | only difference is that ibot's factoids are "global" and socinfo's are "local" |
| 07:18.37 | scorche | has grown close to socinfo though |
| 07:18.53 | scorche | shuns ibot |
| 07:18.54 | brlcad | territorialism is a dangerous beast |
| 07:19.22 | scorche | paints socinfo's back silver |
| 07:20.20 | davidL | kblin: the textbook, http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/ |
| 07:20.34 | kblin | davidL: no. lectures are in German :) |
| 07:20.51 | davidL | ah |
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| 07:22.35 | kblin | dberkholz: I don't know.. java seems decent enough. that's what I learned in the first semester |
| 07:22.38 | Landon | maybe we need a new system |
| 07:22.50 | Landon | for improved factoid performance |
| 07:22.58 | Landon | writes up an app and submits it |
| 07:23.01 | kblin | you don't learn programming until you do a real project anyway |
| 07:23.25 | kblin | Landon: we need a bot that links to melange.. go write one ;) |
| 07:23.52 | Landon | writes a small shell script |
| 07:23.57 | Landon | $4515 plz? |
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| 07:24.51 | kblin | twaps Landon |
| 07:25.09 | Landon | cant say I've ever been twapped before |
| 07:25.18 | Landon | is it wabbit season? |
| 07:25.19 | Landon | :P |
| 07:25.32 | Landon | bed |
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| 10:18.42 | force | hi |
| 10:19.53 | force | Can somebody tell potential mentoring organizations this year |
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| 10:25.41 | kblin | no |
| 10:26.06 | kblin | not if you don't stay connected for only 5 minutes |
| 10:26.17 | kblin | grumbles and gets back to work |
| 10:26.38 | ajuonline | lol |
| 10:26.43 | ajuonline | buwahahahaha |
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| 10:27.25 | ajuonline | scorche: that faq link is not yet set properly? code.google.com/soc ? |
| 10:27.41 | ajuonline | ok i guess, other pages and info are still to be published |
| 10:31.38 | ajuonline | kool the program process starts on my birthday :D |
| 10:32.13 | ajuonline | apart from the fact that as per TZ, it will be half an hour past when the day wud end |
| 10:33.41 | ajuonline | and its running on melange , thats kooler! |
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| 10:40.39 | mib_bhhc3a | hi |
| 10:40.57 | mib_bhhc3a | can somebody tell potential mentoring organizations this year |
| 10:41.10 | mib_bhhc3a | any idea |
| 10:41.10 | mib_bhhc3a | ????? |
| 10:41.33 | ajuonline | mib_bhhc3a: no. |
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| 10:42.05 | ajuonline | !faq |
| 10:42.05 | socinfo | "faq" is http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html |
| 10:43.26 | mib_bhhc3a | i have read the faq |
| 10:43.26 | mib_bhhc3a | i also saw the previous years organizations list |
| 10:43.26 | mib_bhhc3a | so i thought to get involved with earlier with organizations |
| 10:43.55 | mib_bhhc3a | so any idea |
| 10:45.21 | ajuonline | mib_bhhc3a: that only becomes clear when the final list is out. |
| 10:45.26 | ajuonline | guessing can be bad :D |
| 10:46.07 | mib_bhhc3a | k can u suggest any organization |
| 10:47.58 | ajuonline | mib_bhhc3a: i can only suggest, choose a project that you like :) and find interesting to work on. |
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| 10:57.10 | danderson | I swear the next bozo who tries to subscribe to the 2008 selected students only google group gets my boot in the backside |
| 10:57.44 | ajuonline | lol |
| 10:58.02 | ajuonline | cant it be disabled? |
| 11:00.32 | kblin | yay |
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| 11:01.32 | kblin | finished with my seminar paper with 12 hours to spare |
| 11:01.34 | kblin | :) |
| 11:20.30 | ajuonline | kblin: kool! i am to make slides for my talk day after tomorrow as well |
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| 14:00.42 | Landon | interesting EVE writeup |
| 14:01.45 | sid0 | Landon: EVE online? |
| 14:01.51 | sid0 | the whole Goonswarm thing? :) |
| 14:02.13 | sid0 | or http://eve.klaki.net/heist/ ? |
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| 15:12.46 | easwar | breathes sigh of relief |
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| 15:15.07 | Beket | Hey people. Just a confirmation. Is this the flow events?: I apply to an organization. The organization sends the application to google. Google decides. |
| 15:15.19 | danderson | no. |
| 15:15.44 | danderson | you apply to an organization. The organization decides. The organization mentors you. The organization tells Google if you were good. Google gives money and t-shirts. |
| 15:16.01 | danderson | also, Google hosts the webapp that lets orgs review applications |
| 15:16.23 | Beket | So doesn't google have a word on which project will sponsor ? |
| 15:16.26 | danderson | and decides which orgs get how many paid slots (depending on their needs, past performance, etc.) |
| 15:16.41 | danderson | nope. |
| 15:16.48 | danderson | not Google's problem. |
| 15:16.48 | Beket | I see. Thanks danderson :) |
| 15:16.58 | danderson | Google gives money to open source orgs, they know what they need, they decide |
| 15:17.06 | Beket | Fair enough. |
| 15:17.14 | danderson | I imagine there could be some vetoing if the projects are outright illegal or something |
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| 15:17.28 | danderson | but that's never happened to my knowledge, and it's a fairly extreme situation |
| 15:18.05 | danderson | but Google in this provides three things: infrastructure support, money, and tshirts. |
| 15:18.52 | easwar | danderson, T SHIRTS! |
| 15:18.54 | easwar | :P |
| 15:19.01 | easwar | no lh here |
| 15:19.02 | Beket | Do organizations know beforehand how many projects they are allowed to ? |
| 15:19.08 | easwar | could love her to death |
| 15:19.10 | danderson | no |
| 15:19.20 | danderson | slot allocation happens during the selection process |
| 15:19.21 | danderson | basically: |
| 15:19.30 | danderson | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:19.44 | danderson | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.01 | danderson | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.15 | danderson | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.36 | danderson | there are various other subtleties, but basically, it's determined midway through |
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| 15:20.48 | Beket | Nice, it makes sense now. Thanks again :) |
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| 15:36.18 | Landon | sid0: yeah, eve online |
| 15:37.03 | Landon | sid0: ah no, the POS exploit |
| 15:44.03 | sid0 | Landon: yeah EVE generates some really nice stories |
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| 16:16.49 | k03chandra | hi all |
| 16:17.11 | k03chandra | i am chandra from India |
| 16:17.31 | k03chandra | second year undergraduate in computer science |
| 16:17.47 | k03chandra | this is the first time i am participating in GSOC |
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| 16:18.10 | k03chandra | so may i ask what it takes to be selected for a project? |
| 16:19.27 | k03chandra | anyone? |
| 16:19.59 | gizmach | Hi k03chandra |
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| 16:20.29 | gizmach | I was participating last year (I didn't finiehed) but I was selected for a project |
| 16:20.54 | gizmach | k03chandra, my advice is to look at the project you could be interested in |
| 16:21.18 | gizmach | to look at some ideas and to try to make a proect proposal |
| 16:21.22 | k03chandra | but the project list has not been released yet |
| 16:21.26 | gizmach | than try to talk to some organisation |
| 16:21.51 | gizmach | there are some ideas lists already if you google for it |
| 16:21.59 | gizmach | you can talk to developers here |
| 16:22.28 | k03chandra | this is very important for me |
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| 16:22.55 | k03chandra | what qualities do organizations look for? |
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| 16:23.58 | k03chandra | i am good at java technology |
| 16:24.39 | gizmach | k03chandra, I think programming skills, responsibility, some organization skills, design skills, well it depends from organization to organization but they know you are a student, not some 10 year experoenced progrmmer |
| 16:24.44 | k03chandra | can you suggest me some organization suitable to my skilla? |
| 16:25.58 | smtms | k03chandra, Apache Software Foundation have a myriad of Java projects |
| 16:26.02 | gizmach | k03chandra, first organization that comes to my mind is eclipse |
| 16:26.48 | k03chandra | how can i interact with these organizations? |
| 16:27.28 | Beket | k03chandra, find and irc channel where they (the devs) hang and join. |
| 16:27.28 | gizmach | mailing lists? google groups? irc channels? their official sites (maybe some of them wrote some news about gsoc for this year) |
| 16:27.58 | matijah | k03chandra, there is a gsoc group with a link to projects from last year, sorted by language |
| 16:28.29 | matijah | look it up, just to get a sense of direction |
| 16:28.41 | k03chandra | i have joined the gsoc group and its mailing lists |
| 16:29.13 | k03chandra | and i have gone through previous years projects |
| 16:29.27 | k03chandra | i have also joined ASF mailing lists |
| 16:29.42 | MatthewWilkes | hehe, from the mailing list - I am not a Leslie, great use for IANAL in answering questions here |
| 16:29.42 | k03chandra | but i want to interact directly with the organization |
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| 16:32.24 | matijah | opensource organizations are usually open to willing developers regardless of gsoc |
| 16:32.28 | summatusmentis | !orgbylang |
| 16:32.28 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is http://eflow.org/wiki/index.php?Mentors_by_language |
| 16:33.54 | summatusmentis | s'pose you want tech briefs huh? |
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| 16:34.14 | djc | could someone update the GCal with 2009 dates? |
| 16:34.34 | djc | (it's referenced in the FAQ, but it only has 2008 dates) |
| 16:34.36 | summatusmentis | ignore that, that was intended for my editor at the campus newspaper, in an IM window >_> |
| 16:35.44 | matijah | k03chandra, take this as an example to start your contribution: http://www.netbeans.org/community/contribute/modules.html |
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| 18:21.28 | ajuonline | does anyone know, if you create a survey using google docs/spreadsheets. does it allow saving the persons IP address? |
| 18:22.11 | summatusmentis | try it and see? :-P |
| 18:22.25 | summatusmentis | presumably there's some way to make sure people arent' replying multiple times |
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| 18:47.54 | ajuonline | i tried to create one. dont see an option that way. |
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| 19:15.58 | danderson | for crying out loud, what is *wrong* with people |
| 19:16.10 | danderson | 11 requests to join a group that is closed, explicitely marked as private, and dated 2008 |
| 19:16.34 | danderson | was there a bug in the latest brain firmware that I'm unaware of that makes people incapable of applying common sense? |
| 19:16.49 | danderson | or is it just a social experiment to see how depressed the moderators can get? |
| 19:17.01 | Landon | God |
| 19:17.05 | Landon | I'd like to file a bug report |
| 19:18.15 | danderson | screw that |
| 19:18.20 | danderson | I want a mass recall of the faulty units |
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| 19:21.04 | schumaml | hands danderson an Ark B |
| 19:24.05 | schumaml | I got complaints today regarding the Google { <random blobs> } soc logo :P |
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| 19:29.00 | kblin | hm? |
| 19:29.17 | Ivanovic | likes the new logo... |
| 19:30.09 | kblin | dunno... the 2007 one was better |
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| 19:39.09 | kblin | I wonder what the t-shirt will look like |
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| 20:01.31 | brlcad | likes the new logo too .. but wonders what 2GG6 means ;-) |
| 20:01.38 | scorche|sh | hah |
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| 20:20.17 | summatusmentis | that's the only thing I don't like about the new logo, it's kinda difficult to read |
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| 23:27.17 | Catfish_Man | sup folks |
| 23:39.21 | summatusmentis | not much, you? |
| 23:39.41 | Catfish_Man | worrying. I actually dropped by to talk with LH about soc09 |
| 23:39.50 | Catfish_Man | I'm thinking Adium won't be able to participate this year :/ |
| 23:40.00 | summatusmentis | oh noes! why? |
| 23:40.18 | Catfish_Man | look at the graphs on https://www.ohloh.net/p/adium/contributors |
| 23:40.49 | Catfish_Man | just emailed our development list about it though; maybe someone will have ideas :) |
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| 23:41.15 | r0bby | w000t |
| 23:41.23 | r0bby | I got some people at my school interested in Soc :) |
| 23:41.29 | Catfish_Man | nice r0bby :) |
| 23:41.48 | r0bby | dangling $4500 tends to raise a few eyebrows |
| 23:42.01 | dberkholz | Catfish_Man: sounds like you could really use a student who becomes a new core dev. =) |
| 23:42.09 | Catfish_Man | dberkholz: I agree |
| 23:42.10 | r0bby | they asked me why i chose the project i did |
| 23:42.16 | r0bby | vs something i could immediately use |
| 23:42.26 | Catfish_Man | dberkholz: I don't feel we can mentor effectively in our current state though |
| 23:42.40 | Catfish_Man | r0bby: pfft. Money. pfft. |
| 23:42.44 | Catfish_Man | Code! |
| 23:43.02 | r0bby | Catfish_Man: I did it for the feeling that i'm making a diff |
| 23:43.09 | dberkholz | Catfish_Man: yeah, i guess 1 slot for david (is that you?) if things stay as they are |
| 23:43.27 | Catfish_Man | dberkholz: aye, but I'm unemployed right now. That big low spot in my graph is when I had a job ;) |
| 23:43.34 | Catfish_Man | hopefully I'll be changing that soon, so... |
| 23:48.13 | brlcad | Catfish_Man: burnout perhaps? |
| 23:48.41 | Catfish_Man | brlcad: maybe. Some folks have moved on to other projects, or are busy with life/work |
| 23:48.42 | brlcad | davidsmith is still pretty active |
| 23:48.46 | Catfish_Man | that's me |
| 23:48.50 | brlcad | there ya go :) |
| 23:48.54 | brlcad | step up ;) |
| 23:49.07 | dberkholz | sounds like it's time for some recruiting action outside of gsoc too |
| 23:49.26 | ajuonline | please help me fill up this http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=pWeVl6IM9h6UKAGOx231pFA :) |
| 23:49.31 | Catfish_Man | dberkholz: we tried that once. Got an overwhelming response, nobody stuck around more than a few days |
| 23:49.32 | brlcad | yeah, step up the recruiting, not step up your efforts developing |
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| 23:50.43 | r0bby | ajuonline: way too lazy |
| 23:50.56 | ajuonline | kicks r0bby |
| 23:51.00 | ajuonline | r0bby: DO IT! |
| 23:51.15 | dberkholz | Catfish_Man: we have similar experiences in gentoo. high response rate, low final success. seems like it's just a matter of percentages ... try enough and you'll find good ones |
| 23:51.15 | brlcad | Catfish_Man: sounds like maybe just need some creative leadership -- maybe give them something succint and tangible to do -- figure out what attracted your current crop of core devs to the project, try that angle |
| 23:51.41 | dberkholz | a lot of people like the idea of contributing |
| 23:51.48 | dberkholz | rather than liking the act of contribution |
| 23:51.49 | r0bby | ajuonline: I have work to do! |
| 23:51.56 | r0bby | r0bby is a procastinator! |
| 23:52.25 | ajuonline | r0bby: do it when you are not doing either |
| 23:52.30 | brlcad | i've had similar experiences and problems with brl-cad and bzflag over the years, but it's an ebb and flow .. so long as there's at least someone involved, it becomes almost completely a project management issue |
| 23:52.33 | ajuonline | procastinating or work. |
| 23:52.50 | r0bby | I like to procrastinate, but i'll do it later |
| 23:52.50 | Catfish_Man | brlcad: yeah, the issue there is "project maturity" I think |
| 23:53.08 | Catfish_Man | when the tasks were "provide any gui at all for file transfers" and the like, people did it because they wanted it |
| 23:53.30 | Catfish_Man | when the tasks are "implement xyz small refinement" or "improve stability a few %"... it's harder to get excited |
| 23:53.33 | brlcad | i'd argue that adium is relatively mature, is that what you mean? |
| 23:53.41 | brlcad | that now it's not? |
| 23:53.58 | brlcad | er, now it IS mature, hence diminished interest? |
| 23:54.01 | Catfish_Man | right |
| 23:54.04 | Catfish_Man | and the places the project is immature still (video, certain aspects of protocol support) tend to be the hardest to get involved in |
| 23:54.16 | brlcad | yeah, that's pretty familiar... |
| 23:54.38 | brlcad | i'd still say it's entirely a project management issue |
| 23:55.04 | brlcad | that maybe the developer documentation is too daunting or the code isn't parcelized well or there isn't sufficient mentorship, etc |
| 23:55.22 | Catfish_Man | oh, definitely. Most of my work over the last months has been refactoring |
| 23:55.30 | Catfish_Man | trying to get the complexity level of certain parts down |
| 23:55.48 | Catfish_Man | I think we're currently at something like -20000 lines in the last 3-4 months :) |
| 23:55.49 | brlcad | that's good, that's at least one core component |
| 23:55.59 | brlcad | that should cross a tipping point eventually |
| 23:56.00 | Catfish_Man | (although to be fair, most of that was the entire copy of sqlite that was in there) |
| 23:56.05 | brlcad | and inspire contributions |
| 23:56.24 | brlcad | adium is 20k lines? no way.. :) |
| 23:56.31 | Catfish_Man | pfft, adium is about 200k lines |
| 23:56.32 | brlcad | or 20k changed lines.. |
| 23:56.33 | dberkholz | try applying your gsoc process to recruiting devs in general |
| 23:56.37 | Catfish_Man | I *deleted* 20k lines |
| 23:56.41 | brlcad | okay, that sounds better :) |
| 23:57.41 | Catfish_Man | dberkholz: we haven't had soc students stick around either, except in a sort of 'consulting' role |
| 23:57.49 | Catfish_Man | (hal2k knows more about xmpp than the rest of us, so we ask him questions) |
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| 23:58.15 | dberkholz | hmm, we were talking some about that at the summit |
| 23:58.33 | dberkholz | making sure they're fully "converted" to devs before the end of the summer rather than after, to make it continuous |
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| 23:58.45 | brlcad | Catfish_Man: so perhaps more focus on those other areas I mentioned -- it's not all about code compartmentalization/readability -- docs and a clean (dev) website can compensate for a lot of wartage |
| 23:59.01 | Catfish_Man | brlcad: true |
| 23:59.04 | Catfish_Man | we are pretty bad about docs |