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| 01:41.10 | summatusmentis | Landon: what do you pay for your VPS? Who do you go through? |
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| 03:13.32 | Landon | summatusmentis: www.vpsvillage.com |
| 03:13.47 | Landon | not bbad for $11/month :P |
| 03:14.03 | Landon | something like 8g space and 512mb ram |
| 03:14.15 | Landon | or maybe it's 128 |
| 03:14.42 | summatusmentis | for serious? run into ay issues? |
| 03:15.26 | Landon | the server I'm on is pretty pegged |
| 03:15.34 | Landon | since they moved a lot of accounts onto it after another crashed |
| 03:15.42 | Landon | I think 64bit servers arent crowded as bad though |
| 03:16.48 | Landon | their $6/m service isnt bad either for webhosting |
| 03:16.53 | summatusmentis | I could pay $6/mo for 64MB ram and 4GB of disk space |
| 03:17.00 | Landon | irssi+webhosting taxes it a little though |
| 03:17.20 | Landon | well actually I bet you could get by with that, I was rnuning a bot at the time |
| 03:17.24 | Landon | maxing my ram |
| 03:17.26 | Landon | :( |
| 03:17.28 | summatusmentis | hmm |
| 03:17.29 | Landon | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.44 | summatusmentis | part of the reason I'm asking is I'd like to have a public AFS cell, which needs disk space :) |
| 03:18.59 | summatusmentis | 4GB wouldn't do much |
| 03:20.23 | Landon | ah yeah |
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| 05:23.02 | yeonhoo | ooooooo GSoC 2009 !!!! |
| 05:23.49 | Landon | :D |
| 05:24.42 | yeonhoo | but where is program discussion lsit? |
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| 05:38.01 | nrp | yeonhoo: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss |
| 05:38.05 | r0bby | yeonhoo: http://code.google.com/soc |
| 05:38.08 | r0bby | it's linked there. |
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| 05:48.44 | yeonhoo | wow |
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| 07:22.48 | yeonhoo | google said to be prepared for SOC 2009 as soon as possible and said not all organization that participated in 2008 will be returning for 2009. somebody give me advice? is there very potential organization that will probably return this year? and their suggested projects? |
| 07:24.17 | danderson | you could look at the org list from 2008, and contact projects that interest you. |
| 07:24.46 | danderson | At this stage, no orgs have been chosen for 2009, so the only thing you can really do is establish contact with orgs that interest you |
| 07:24.54 | danderson | and see if they get into SoC '09. |
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| 07:36.01 | yeonhoo | hum... |
| 07:36.47 | yeonhoo | danderson: thank you for advice :) |
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| 08:22.42 | yeonhoo | some of org though not even approved for 2009 have project idea list already :) |
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| 08:39.16 | r0bby | yeonhoo: pay closer attention ;) |
| 08:39.19 | r0bby | it's 2008 :P |
| 08:40.11 | scorche | though, some orgs may still already have an idea list for 2009... |
| 08:41.30 | danderson | google recommended candidate orgs to come up with ideas |
| 08:41.38 | danderson | to stimulate discussion with potential students |
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| 14:06.55 | pidus | canonical/ubuntu was absent from the last years list of mentoring organisations..how likely is it that they'll be there this time? |
| 14:11.39 | summatusmentis | ask them? |
| 14:12.13 | summatusmentis | generally I think it's primarily up to the org to prove that they're ready/willing to be a mentoring organization |
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| 15:27.50 | Alesis-Novik | pidus, I think Ubuntu decided not to participate, because the idea behind GSoC is not only to get students involved, but also help the organizations build their contributor bases. I think Ubuntu felt that they had a big enough base as it is and didn't apply to be a mentoring organization |
| 15:30.05 | pidus | Alesis-Novik: that'd imply that they probably would not be applying this year either. |
| 15:30.34 | summatusmentis | yes, that's what that would imply |
| 15:31.41 | easwar | Have they ever applied to be a mentoring organization in all of GSoC history? |
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| 15:34.52 | Alesis-Novik | easwar, I believe all the years prior to this one |
| 15:35.03 | Alesis-Novik | um, 2008 I mean |
| 15:35.35 | easwar | Alesis-Novik, they have applied for all years prior to 2008?And they were accepted? |
| 15:36.03 | Alesis-Novik | Almost the most student slot getting organization :) |
| 15:36.10 | mdc | easwar: according to: http://code.google.com/soc/2005/ http://code.google.com/soc/2006/ http://code.google.com/soc/2007/ http://code.google.com/soc/2008/ they participated in 2005, 2006, 2007, but not 2008. |
| 15:36.50 | Alesis-Novik | http://code.google.com/soc/2006/ubuntu/about.html |
| 15:36.52 | easwar | mdc hmm,thanks,didn't know of all those |
| 15:37.00 | Alesis-Novik | http://code.google.com/soc/2007/ubuntu/about.html |
| 15:38.02 | easwar | Alesis-Novik, meaning they used to get max student applicants |
| 15:38.04 | easwar | ? |
| 15:38.17 | Alesis-Novik | not max I guess |
| 15:38.32 | Alesis-Novik | but they did get a lot |
| 15:39.12 | mdc | Since the number of applications and the number of available mentors is an important variable in slot allocation, I would expect that Ubuntu would did quite well :) |
| 15:39.59 | easwar | that's what you mean by "Almost the most student slot getting organization :)" Alesis-Novik ?That they got lots of student applications? |
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| 15:40.56 | Alesis-Novik | How do I put this, they got a lot of slots to accept the students |
| 15:41.16 | Alesis-Novik | And I would think they got a lot of applications too |
| 15:41.56 | thesnark | If I'm trying to predict which projects are likely to be accepted again this year what criteria should I look for? |
| 15:42.10 | Alesis-Novik | But as You know, there is a cut off point, so there is probably no way even most off the applications for Ubuntu got accepted |
| 15:42.23 | easwar | hmm,Google accepted many people from the list to become mentors put forth by Ubuntu, Alesis-Novik |
| 15:42.29 | mdc | In 2008, the top four organizations, in terms of slot count were: kde, psf, asf, gnome (if that's at all helpful) :) |
| 15:43.21 | Alesis-Novik | thesnark, I'd say participation in previous Summers of Code, community base, exposure, uniqueness |
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| 15:44.04 | mdc | Of course, slot count, though statistically interesting is only one factor for students looking for an organization to work with. |
| 15:44.47 | mdc | There are _lots_ of fascinating smaller organizations with 1 to 4 slots, and it could be highly rewarding to find just the right fit. |
| 15:44.50 | thesnark | Well I found a project that I think I could get really passionate about but I'm not sure if it will get accepted again this year |
| 15:44.50 | Alesis-Novik | mdc, thats the factor for the students (at least it should be) |
| 15:45.06 | thesnark | since last year it's one student bailed and they had a bad year before as well |
| 15:45.43 | mdc | thesnark: I hear you. |
| 15:46.14 | mdc | Our organization had 30 applicants, and we accepted 4 students. |
| 15:46.15 | Alesis-Novik | thesnark, if it is interesting to You, go and hang around in their IRC channel, ask, if they will apply, but if it really interesting, just get involved :) |
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| 15:46.30 | mdc | Definitely make yourself known to the organization early. |
| 15:46.31 | thesnark | Alesis-Novik I'm ahead of you :-) |
| 15:46.34 | thesnark | but |
| 15:46.47 | thesnark | I'm just very concerned about them being accepted again |
| 15:46.55 | thesnark | I know they are applying again |
| 15:47.07 | mdc | Is there only one organization you are interested in? |
| 15:47.46 | thesnark | Well no, but this is one that has some personal meaning to me so it is very important to me |
| 15:48.00 | mdc | You can only take your best shot :) |
| 15:48.04 | thesnark | Yeah you're right |
| 15:48.12 | mdc | I wish you much luck! |
| 15:48.17 | thesnark | :-) Thanks |
| 15:48.21 | mdc | Maybe this year you will succeed :) |
| 15:48.40 | mdc | Have you read their codebase and submitted some patches? |
| 15:48.51 | thesnark | working on submitting some bug fixes yeah |
| 15:49.16 | mdc | Asking to have your code reviewed is also a good way to let people know you are interested. |
| 15:49.45 | mdc | I am reviewing code today, as it happens, for someone who has submitted a driver. |
| 15:50.26 | thesnark | I know that this year there will be 125 less projects than last year |
| 15:50.32 | thesnark | eerr |
| 15:50.35 | thesnark | error |
| 15:50.38 | mdc | lol |
| 15:51.01 | mdc | I think it was mentioned that the student allocation would be about 1000 |
| 15:51.04 | thesnark | yeah |
| 15:52.06 | mdc | Focus on doing your best -- whatever happens give your best effort, and good will come. |
| 15:52.42 | straydawg | mdc speaks in fortune cookies :) |
| 15:52.43 | thesnark | unless the project doesn't get accepted this year - I know there will be some projects eliminated as well and freenet seems to be a prime candidate ;__; |
| 15:52.55 | mdc | straydawg: occupational hazard :) |
| 15:52.57 | Alesis-Novik | In my case, I got more than I asked for :) I'm writing my paper for the university on my project next semester :) |
| 15:52.59 | straydawg | mdc: ;) |
| 15:53.27 | mdc | really enjoys participating in GSoC :) |
| 15:53.56 | thesnark | It sounds like a lot of fun |
| 15:54.32 | mdc | It is fun, and intense, and rewarding, and a great learning experience, for both mentor and student, and mentoring organization as well. |
| 15:54.41 | easwar | GSoC seems like a big competitive exam to me |
| 15:55.09 | Alesis-Novik | easwar, well the entry kind of is |
| 15:55.25 | mdc | easwar: There are many ways to prepare for an exam :) |
| 15:55.54 | easwar | Alesis-Novik, and for someone who hasn't written a statement of real life code before in his life,the entire of it seems that way |
| 15:56.29 | summatusmentis | you've never written code before? |
| 15:56.51 | easwar | have,but only for exams in university exams |
| 15:57.12 | Alesis-Novik | You can always learn (That's how I did it :)) |
| 15:57.41 | summatusmentis | oh, never worked on a project |
| 15:57.59 | summatusmentis | my recommendation? Find a project you want to work with, and start hanging out with them now |
| 15:58.06 | summatusmentis | get them to know you |
| 15:58.28 | mdc | Being accepted by a mentoring organization is important (obviously), but being prepared to perform for 12 weeks, and to accomplish your proposed task is also very important. |
| 15:58.56 | easwar | hmm,well I've a few shortlisted |
| 15:59.06 | mdc | good start :) |
| 15:59.31 | summatusmentis | my proposed task ended up being way bigger than one summers worth |
| 15:59.49 | easwar | and I have the exact opposite problem |
| 16:00.03 | easwar | my idea doesn't seem big enough for one summer's worth |
| 16:00.23 | thesnark | better to actually finish |
| 16:00.28 | summatusmentis | expand your idea then? |
| 16:00.43 | thesnark | yeah your idea can always be expanded or added to |
| 16:00.47 | easwar | I can;t think of anything more,it's a plugin I'm thinking of |
| 16:00.51 | easwar | *can't |
| 16:01.13 | summatusmentis | thesnark: yes and no, you want an idea that will fill your time, I feel like you're less likely to get your idea accepted if it's pretty blatantly not gonna fill a summer |
| 16:02.10 | easwar | now how can you make sure your idea will/will not blatantly not fill an entire summer, summatusmentis |
| 16:02.12 | easwar | ? |
| 16:02.35 | summatusmentis | easwar: you can't, which is where talking to your org is helpful |
| 16:02.45 | easwar | hmm |
| 16:02.46 | summatusmentis | they'll have an idea as to how long your idea would take an experienced dev |
| 16:03.00 | easwar | and a total newb too |
| 16:03.13 | summatusmentis | but something like a plugin is less likely to be accepted than some new feature-set, probably |
| 16:03.19 | mdc | As a mentoring organization we got some interesting ideas from applicants. |
| 16:03.54 | summatusmentis | I was a totaly newb, and I didn't end up finishing, because my project was huge, and had a much steeper learning curve than what I expected |
| 16:04.28 | BarryCarlyon | somewhat the same for me lol |
| 16:04.58 | easwar | hmm,gtg for dinner |
| 16:05.11 | summatusmentis | that said, I got a lot out of my project, and my org still ikes me :) |
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| 16:05.58 | summatusmentis | BarryCarlyon: what did you work on? |
| 16:06.18 | BarryCarlyon | php's bugtracker |
| 16:06.33 | BarryCarlyon | I would have finished it in my own time but university has been very very busy this year |
| 16:06.41 | summatusmentis | so backend infrastructure for PHP |
| 16:06.48 | summatusmentis | not a feature for the PHP language? |
| 16:06.54 | BarryCarlyon | No a website |
| 16:07.12 | BarryCarlyon | so yeah |
| 16:07.19 | BarryCarlyon | you are right backend infrastructue |
| 16:07.24 | summatusmentis | right, ok |
| 16:07.33 | BarryCarlyon | :-P |
| 16:07.35 | summatusmentis | yeh, my university this last semester has been insane |
| 16:12.28 | BarryCarlyon | The work I did tho has grown into a larger project tho |
| 16:12.42 | BarryCarlyon | Just not been able to fold it back to php |
| 16:13.49 | mdc | is checking out the timeline from last year: |
| 16:13.49 | mdc | http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2008/faqs.html#0.1_timeline |
| 16:14.41 | mdc | Looks like mentoring orgs submitted applications to Google the beginning of March. |
| 16:16.01 | summatusmentis | student apps were due by sometime in April? |
| 16:16.06 | easwar|away | so GSoC has been advanced this year |
| 16:16.16 | mdc | Yes, April 7 (last year) |
| 16:16.32 | summatusmentis | mdc: right, ok |
| 16:16.43 | mdc | (March 24 was the application start date) |
| 16:16.58 | summatusmentis | might have an internship position affiliated with my org :) |
| 16:17.09 | summatusmentis | oh right, because they extended the app period |
| 16:17.19 | summatusmentis | easwar|away: GSoC will be happening |
| 16:17.28 | mdc | Of course, we already have students on our IRC channel who I think might be planning to apply :) |
| 16:17.47 | easwar|away | summatusmentis, I know,I read the mail from LH |
| 16:17.54 | BarryCarlyon | What org are you mdc? |
| 16:17.54 | summatusmentis | mdc: what org? |
| 16:17.59 | mdc | etherboot.org |
| 16:18.27 | mdc | We've participated in 2006, 2007, 2008 |
| 16:18.36 | mdc | And we hope to this year. |
| 16:20.01 | mdc | We're a small org, and focus on low-level programming, so our application pool is smaller than some other orgs. |
| 16:20.05 | easwar | summatusmentis, what I meant is GSoC will take place earlier this year |
| 16:20.05 | summatusmentis | presumably if you've been accepted in the past, they'll let you in |
| 16:20.11 | mdc | We have gotten some fantastic students though :) |
| 16:20.19 | summatusmentis | easwar: oh, perhaps |
| 16:20.49 | mdc | We hope so :) |
| 16:21.07 | easwar | summatusmentis, probably,because the announcement has already taken place,and we are talking about organizations being rejected,so applications |
| 16:21.21 | easwar | from mentoring organizations should be a week or so away |
| 16:21.37 | summatusmentis | umm, no |
| 16:22.10 | easwar | why not? |
| 16:22.43 | summatusmentis | it's called Summer of Code for a reason, the timeline will be similar to last year |
| 16:22.47 | easwar | mdc, have you already been doing applications to be allowed into GSoC? |
| 16:23.27 | mdc | easwar: I'm not sure what you're asking |
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| 16:24.00 | mdc | We certainly are not able to accept applications from students yet. |
| 16:24.13 | mdc | We don't even know yet if or organization will be accepted this year. |
| 16:24.18 | easwar | mdc, as an organization,have you put in an application to Google? |
| 16:24.42 | mdc | Applications for organizations are not yet being accepted. |
| 16:24.47 | mdc | When they are, we plan to apply. |
| 16:24.51 | easwar | mdc, hmm,any idea when? |
| 16:25.09 | mdc | Last year the date was March 3, 2008. |
| 16:25.19 | mdc | I would expect it to be similar this year. |
| 16:26.03 | mdc | We are, however, preparing. |
| 16:26.19 | easwar | hmm,so you are saying the timeline for last year is a good rule-of-hand to judge this year's timeline? |
| 16:26.25 | summatusmentis | yes |
| 16:26.33 | easwar | hmm |
| 16:26.44 | mdc | I believe LH mentioned that it was her expectation that the program timeline would be similar. |
| 16:27.08 | mdc | Right now we're getting potential project ideas together. |
| 16:27.29 | summatusmentis | "While we're not making a formal announcement at this time, it's safe |
| 16:27.29 | summatusmentis | to assume that the program will occur on basically the same timeline |
| 16:27.30 | summatusmentis | as in 2008" |
| 16:27.31 | mdc | And we're letting potential students know that we plan to apply as a mentoring organization. |
| 16:27.35 | easwar | ok |
| 16:27.37 | summatusmentis | from LHs email |
| 16:27.51 | easwar | mdc, you are getting ideas already? |
| 16:27.54 | easwar | thanks summatusmentis |
| 16:28.09 | mdc | easwar: Yes -- we always have ideas :) |
| 16:28.25 | mdc | Some things are left over from last year. |
| 16:28.39 | mdc | Some are ongoing needs (drivers, for instance). |
| 16:28.41 | summatusmentis | my org is starting to pull together ideas too, iirc |
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| 16:29.25 | easwar | time to go to my target org with my idea then |
| 16:29.33 | easwar | probably |
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| 16:30.02 | mdc | The 12 weeks of coding goes by very quickly. |
| 16:30.15 | summatusmentis | meh, doesn't have to be right now, but you might want to start getting to know your org |
| 16:30.21 | summatusmentis | mdc: far too rapidly |
| 16:31.04 | mdc | We expect at the start of coding for students to know how to build the codebase and to use git (or repository software) to maintain their personal repositories. |
| 16:31.33 | mdc | Since there are only 12 weeks, we don't want to spend 2 weeks teaching people how to use git :) |
| 16:31.53 | easwar | hmm,in that case,I'm already starting on subversion |
| 16:31.56 | easwar | :) |
| 16:32.13 | easwar | O'Reilly as always |
| 16:32.41 | mdc | There are also a lot of really good tutorials on the 'net about svn and git. |
| 16:32.53 | mdc | But practice makes perfect, as they say :) |
| 16:33.07 | mdc | Here's our GSoC project page from last year, btw: |
| 16:33.07 | mdc | http://etherboot.org/wiki/soc/2008/start |
| 16:33.59 | mdc | Each student got their own sub-page for journaling, and a personal git repository for storing their work. |
| 16:34.30 | mdc | Using gitweb, mentors can easily keep track of work-in-progress. |
| 16:35.49 | easwar | mdc, could you point us to some of those good tutorials on SVN and GIT? |
| 16:36.05 | dmitrig01 | <3 git |
| 16:39.06 | mdc | There is the classic: http://linux.yyz.us/git-howto.html |
| 16:39.20 | mdc | It is worth reading to get a basic idea. |
| 16:39.32 | mdc | It also has pointers to other tutorials. |
| 16:50.25 | easwar | mdc, those are exclusively git tutorials,or do you mean that the man pages are the best tutorials for any revision system? |
| 16:56.17 | mdc | easwar: it really depends on the person. Here is one method we have had some success with. |
| 16:56.35 | mdc | We use IRC to help walk people through some of the basics. |
| 16:57.14 | mdc | By pasting a command, and having the student try it, and if necessary paste the output to our paste site, we can teach interactively. |
| 16:57.33 | easwar | hmm |
| 16:57.36 | mdc | If I were a student and needed help getting to know git (or svn), I might well find |
| 16:57.47 | mdc | a friend who is good with it, and ask some questions. |
| 16:58.26 | easwar | thanks for the advice mdc |
| 16:58.31 | mdc | Having a specific goal like "I need to checkout/clone the project's repository, and build it from source" is helpful. |
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| 16:58.47 | mdc | you're welcome, easwar :) |
| 16:59.13 | mdc | Then you can make other goals like "I want to make a change, rebuild, test, and commit the change" |
| 16:59.37 | mdc | And of course "I want to make a properly formatted patch for review". |
| 16:59.43 | easwar | kinda like a flowchart |
| 17:00.08 | mdc | All these things are easy once you know how, but we all have to learn them :) |
| 17:00.20 | easwar | :) |
| 17:00.24 | mdc | Yes, like a flowchart, or an outline :) |
| 17:00.41 | mdc | I have to go do some errands now. bbiaw. |
| 17:01.39 | easwar | thanks mdc |
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| 20:55.10 | summatusmentis | hmm... how do people manage needing more HD space in a laptop? Do you do externals? |
| 20:55.16 | summatusmentis | or just buy a new HD? |
| 20:58.00 | summatusmentis | Landon: you around? |
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| 21:00.17 | Ivanovic | prefers to first have the main stuff internal |
| 21:00.30 | Ivanovic | since always carrying around another drive ain't nice |
| 21:00.50 | Ivanovic | though: if you really need much space mainly locally: get some external drive |
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| 21:12.46 | mdc | tends to upgrade drives by putting the new, larger drive in an external usb case, and cloning the internal drive. Afterwards just swap the drives, and enjoy the space. |
| 21:13.33 | summatusmentis | Ivanovic: I could probably move a fair amount off onto an external, I just like having it all local :) |
| 21:13.39 | summatusmentis | it makes me feel more secure |
| 21:14.30 | summatusmentis | if I had sizeable web access storage, that would be ok with me too |
| 21:29.57 | Landon | summatusmentis: ping |
| 21:30.04 | Landon | not for long though |
| 21:30.17 | Landon | I think most go with externals |
| 21:30.35 | summatusmentis | cool. I was wondering about your VPS |
| 21:30.45 | summatusmentis | this website has very little info on it |
| 21:31.03 | summatusmentis | how's uptime? what OSs can you run? Do you have full control? |
| 21:31.31 | summatusmentis | do you get dedicated IPs? do they limit DNS names pointed to it? |
| 21:33.03 | scorche | summatusmentis: if you want a VPS, go with linode! |
| 21:33.18 | summatusmentis | scorche: this one is $6/mo :) |
| 21:33.34 | scorche | shrugs |
| 21:33.38 | scorche | you get what you pay for =) |
| 21:33.50 | summatusmentis | well, I'm not sure what I need |
| 21:33.58 | summatusmentis | so... |
| 21:34.25 | summatusmentis | linode looks like a better deal than slicehost |
| 21:36.00 | scorche | linode is awesome...i cant say enough good things about them and their service...with them, i dont have much need for a dedicated box colo-ed somewhere (plus then i would be responsible for more, less fault-tolerant, and would probably get worse performance) |
| 21:36.57 | summatusmentis | what plan are you using w/ them? |
| 21:37.25 | scorche | 1080 |
| 21:37.50 | Landon | summatusmentis: 1 dedicated ip, you can probably pay for more |
| 21:38.02 | Landon | pretty much any linux os, if they dont have it you supply the ISO |
| 21:38.46 | summatusmentis | it's not like I'd need more than one dedicated ip anyway.. hmm |
| 21:39.14 | Landon | they use xen as well, so you can log in to the main server toreboot your server/etc |
| 21:40.50 | summatusmentis | sure |
| 21:40.53 | summatusmentis | hmm, alright, thanks |
| 21:40.57 | summatusmentis | don't mean to keep you |
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