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| 08:20.04 | james_ | hey |
| 08:25.33 | summatusmentis | hi james_ |
| 08:28.06 | james_ | summatusmentis : i was wondering what level oof knowlege about computers is required to join gsoc i m iin first year i.e freshman |
| 08:28.36 | summatusmentis | I was a freshman last year, and was accepted |
| 08:29.09 | Landon | likewise |
| 08:29.23 | summatusmentis | if you know what project you want to work on, you should start hanging out in their IRC channel, start coding for them, submit patches, get them to get to know you and your quality of work |
| 08:31.56 | summatusmentis | I will point out that my project kind of fell in my alap, and I didn't do any of the things I suggested to you :) |
| 08:31.57 | james_ | i know a bit of c /c++ java will that do? |
| 08:32.10 | Catfish_Man | depends on the project |
| 08:32.16 | summatusmentis | depends on the project |
| 08:32.21 | summatusmentis | oh, Catfish_Man wins |
| 08:32.28 | james_ | lolz |
| 08:32.51 | james_ | wat was your project? |
| 08:33.17 | Catfish_Man | is a mentor, so doesn't count |
| 08:33.21 | Catfish_Man | (for Adium) |
| 08:33.38 | summatusmentis | I worked w/ OpenAFS |
| 08:33.54 | Landon | surprisesd we're all up this late |
| 08:34.07 | summatusmentis | it's 9:30 am where I am right now |
| 08:34.21 | Landon | >.> |
| 08:34.28 | Catfish_Man | I'm surprised you're up this early ;) |
| 08:35.02 | Landon | heh |
| 08:35.26 | Landon | hey, while I'm at it :P does anyone know of any computer-engineeringy type companies? (that arent in aerospace) :P |
| 08:35.40 | Landon | so far I've only found two companies to apply to for internships :\ |
| 08:35.42 | summatusmentis | we're in Spain on vacation, my parents decided I should get up and do things :) |
| 08:37.41 | summatusmentis | Landon: Intel? |
| 08:37.52 | antarus | bleh |
| 08:37.53 | Landon | aha |
| 08:38.06 | antarus | it is sad when I want to relive my college days and write a shell |
| 08:38.09 | antarus | but shells are so boring :/ |
| 08:38.12 | Landon | my gpa might be a little low for most highbrow places though :P |
| 08:38.18 | Landon | it hit a 3.0 this semester |
| 08:38.19 | Landon | >.< |
| 08:38.36 | summatusmentis | Landon: I hit 2.8 D:< |
| 08:38.47 | Landon | I spend 40+hours (consective) studying for a physics final.... and what do I get but my average exam grade, a 60ish |
| 08:39.03 | summatusmentis | christ |
| 08:39.17 | Landon | yeah, all Cs this semester :( |
| 08:39.27 | summatusmentis | me too, mostly |
| 08:39.44 | james_ | which college u all are from |
| 08:39.54 | Landon | kansas state |
| 08:41.02 | james_ | and u are graduating in??? |
| 08:42.40 | Landon | computer engineering ! |
| 08:43.51 | james_ | i m doing that too but my ciricullum is all bulshit |
| 08:44.10 | james_ | they are teaching how to use MS Office |
| 08:44.13 | Catfish_Man | oh. One more gsoc tip |
| 08:44.23 | Catfish_Man | spelling and grammar are important to giving mentors a good first impression |
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| 08:44.51 | summatusmentis | james_: Univerity of Minnesota - Morris |
| 08:44.57 | Landon | hm |
| 08:45.07 | Landon | I'm not sure whether to give AMD or Intel props on their job searches |
| 08:45.12 | Landon | intels is all easy to use and such |
| 08:45.22 | Landon | but AMD has a specific dropdown for intern positions |
| 08:45.35 | summatusmentis | yeah, but... Intel!!! |
| 08:46.03 | summatusmentis | btw, I'm computer science, james_ |
| 08:46.20 | Landon | summatusmentis: what, are you saying I'm lowering my aim by applying to amd? :P |
| 08:46.37 | antarus | To be fair knowing how to use office is a useful skill |
| 08:46.38 | summatusmentis | that might be implyed, yes :) |
| 08:46.43 | Landon | has applied to walmart and ms already as well >.< |
| 08:46.52 | Landon | :P |
| 08:46.58 | antarus | Landon: dude I was pleasantly surprised that walmart had such good job postings |
| 08:47.04 | Landon | only job even remotely near my major at walmart was unix sysadmin |
| 08:47.07 | antarus | probably the best one I have ever read for an SA position |
| 08:47.16 | summatusmentis | I'm not talking to you if you work for walmart |
| 08:47.16 | antarus | is a unix sysadmin |
| 08:47.19 | antarus | tis an awesome job ;) |
| 08:47.23 | Landon | at walmart? |
| 08:47.30 | antarus | no, I work for the elgoog |
| 08:47.35 | Landon | close enough |
| 08:47.36 | Landon | ;) |
| 08:47.46 | summatusmentis | right, basically the same thing |
| 08:47.50 | antarus | I'm just saying they had nice job postings ;p |
| 08:47.50 | Landon | yeah |
| 08:47.54 | Landon | big datacenters... big warehouses |
| 08:47.57 | antarus | I wouldn't want to work for wal mart either ;p |
| 08:48.04 | Landon | except I had to use IE to look at them! |
| 08:48.11 | kblin | Catfish_Man: I agree. If I need to tranlate the project proposal from leet/aimspeak to plain english, I'm less inclined to give positive scores |
| 08:48.13 | antarus | I was using chrome ;) |
| 08:48.21 | Landon | I feel like I'm going to get pigeonholed into being a sysadmin forever if I keep applying for it |
| 08:48.26 | james_ | so what u all are taught in your college? |
| 08:48.31 | james_ | ofiice? |
| 08:48.36 | james_ | *office? |
| 08:48.40 | summatusmentis | no office :) |
| 08:48.42 | Landon | horrible proprietary aps :) |
| 08:48.44 | Landon | apps* |
| 08:48.45 | james_ | then? |
| 08:48.46 | Catfish_Man | james_: I dropped out |
| 08:48.47 | antarus | Landon: what do you want to do? |
| 08:48.51 | Landon | so pretty much :P |
| 08:48.54 | summatusmentis | I'm taught Java, constantly |
| 08:48.57 | Landon | antarus: something computer-engineery |
| 08:49.06 | Landon | low level |
| 08:49.11 | Landon | embedded systems and such |
| 08:49.15 | antarus | james_: Unix, OS, threads, C++, |
| 08:49.20 | antarus | Landon: motorola? |
| 08:49.27 | summatusmentis | Landon: embedded systems could be cool |
| 08:49.29 | antarus | james_: data structures |
| 08:49.33 | antarus | james_: algorithms |
| 08:49.37 | james_ | Thats what i want to learn |
| 08:49.37 | kblin | james_: it's a university, we're not supposed to learn anything directly useful in real life.. |
| 08:49.43 | Landon | summatusmentis: to be honest all of the specializations available at my school for CE look awesome :( |
| 08:49.47 | summatusmentis | you could be hired as an android dev!! |
| 08:49.51 | antarus | james_: software engineers processes, software design |
| 08:49.53 | Landon | networking... multimedia and communciations... embedded systems |
| 08:49.57 | Landon | I want to do them allll |
| 08:49.57 | Landon | :P |
| 08:50.03 | antarus | Landon: who makes slingbox? |
| 08:50.04 | kblin | james_: that's why our beginning students are taught programming scheme first ;) |
| 08:50.09 | summatusmentis | networking, at least as a research level, seems boring |
| 08:50.17 | james_ | and i m taught mechanical civil and english |
| 08:50.20 | summatusmentis | we were taught scheme first too |
| 08:50.30 | antarus | summatusmentis: you could work with Vint to do interplanetary networking ;) |
| 08:50.41 | antarus | thats pretty researchy IMHO |
| 08:50.44 | Landon | antarus: no idea, but how am I not thinking of all these companies :o it's hard to imagine how I could only think of ms and walmart :\ |
| 08:50.55 | ajuonline | looks around |
| 08:50.55 | antarus | Landon: embedded is everywhere man ;p |
| 08:50.56 | summatusmentis | antarus: true :) |
| 08:51.07 | summatusmentis | hi ajay |
| 08:51.07 | Landon | just not where I think of it :P |
| 08:51.17 | james_ | whats a programing scheme |
| 08:51.25 | antarus | james_: scheme is a programming language ;) |
| 08:51.28 | antarus | an annoying one ;p |
| 08:51.40 | summatusmentis | james_: what school are you at? |
| 08:52.00 | james_ | i m in india |
| 08:52.04 | ajuonline | hi summatusmentis Landon Catfish_Man kblin antarus :P Happy New Year! |
| 08:52.04 | antarus | arg there are days when I hate unix |
| 08:52.06 | kblin | james_: it's a LISP variant, so you end up using a lot of braces |
| 08:52.10 | Catfish_Man | hi ajuonline :) |
| 08:52.11 | Landon | ahoy ajuonline ! |
| 08:52.13 | ajuonline | is in India too |
| 08:52.22 | kblin | ajuonline: happy new year :) |
| 08:52.28 | james_ | which university? |
| 08:52.37 | antarus | I never remember how to properly close fd's when using fork and exec |
| 08:52.45 | antarus | and I always have to look it up ;p |
| 08:52.50 | Landon | AMD - props for letting me upload a resume instead of transcoding my latex file to plaintext |
| 08:53.15 | james_ | ajuonline:which university?? |
| 08:53.17 | summatusmentis | AMD has an office in Orlando |
| 08:53.43 | Landon | they're all far away from kansas :P |
| 08:53.53 | antarus | yes well...its kansas |
| 08:53.56 | kblin | hmm, stupid sqlalchemy session thing |
| 08:53.59 | antarus | go grow corn |
| 08:54.00 | antarus | ;p |
| 08:54.28 | antarus | moved from craptastic michigan to california for a job |
| 08:54.29 | ajuonline | james_: thats a tricky question, staffs.ac.uk |
| 08:55.20 | Landon | antarus: tons of aerospace and ag stuff... but thats about it :\ |
| 08:55.41 | summatusmentis | michigan? is it really that bad? |
| 08:55.42 | kblin | antarus: MV, or somewhere exciting? ;) |
| 08:55.55 | antarus | kblin: former ;) |
| 08:56.02 | summatusmentis | <3 MN |
| 08:56.14 | summatusmentis | Mi and MN are kind of similar |
| 08:56.17 | antarus | kblin: somewhere exciting is on my list |
| 08:56.26 | antarus | kblin: might try to spend 6 mo overseas |
| 08:56.31 | kblin | ah, well, can't have everything, I guess :) |
| 08:56.55 | antarus | we will see if I can convince my boss ;) |
| 08:56.55 | summatusmentis | antarus: come to Spain in the fal!! I'll be abroad for a semester, we can hang out |
| 08:57.10 | antarus | not that overseas, the other way ;p |
| 08:57.13 | antarus | syd/tok |
| 08:57.19 | kblin | summatusmentis: google spain is marketing only, anyway |
| 08:57.30 | summatusmentis | bummer |
| 08:57.41 | kblin | nice folks, but a bit creepy... ;) |
| 08:57.52 | spearce | antarus: if you get to syd, you get a cool upsidedown shirt. :-) |
| 08:57.54 | summatusmentis | granted. Spain is so cool :) |
| 08:59.02 | kblin | spearce: an aussie googler I met tells me they're the right side up if you look at your own shirt, anyway ;) |
| 08:59.26 | spearce | kblin: heh. that probably was mithro. :-) |
| 09:00.24 | summatusmentis | Landon: you could apply toelgoog for an internship |
| 09:00.33 | summatusmentis | to elgoog* |
| 09:00.36 | kblin | spearce: nope, that was before big-G grabbed him, I just don't remember the guy's name.. he was one of the googlers talking about google gadgets on campus party 2--6 |
| 09:00.51 | Landon | summatusmentis: I figure my resume is a little low for that :P |
| 09:00.53 | Landon | er |
| 09:00.54 | Landon | GPA |
| 09:01.02 | summatusmentis | well, try it, can't hurt |
| 09:01.09 | summatusmentis | and you have an in, maybe :) |
| 09:01.22 | Landon | yeah, I was planning on doing it once I finished all my other applications |
| 09:01.35 | Landon | hopes he wont have bto bother with the career fair this year |
| 09:01.40 | antarus | no |
| 09:01.44 | antarus | you should go to the fair every year |
| 09:01.48 | antarus | even if you have something |
| 09:01.51 | antarus | talk to people |
| 09:01.54 | antarus | make contacts |
| 09:02.12 | summatusmentis | my school doesn't have a career fair |
| 09:02.12 | kblin | sighs |
| 09:02.36 | antarus | getting ahead has very little to do with your technical ability and everything to do with the opportunities that you encounter |
| 09:02.36 | kblin | there's never any interesting companies at the career fairs here |
| 09:02.36 | Landon | mine has two that concern me |
| 09:02.36 | Landon | the huge one in the fall |
| 09:02.36 | Landon | and then engineering only in spring |
| 09:02.41 | antarus | (not that technical ability doesn't help :)) |
| 09:03.02 | antarus | kblin: I would tell you to not be picky, but I am the same way ;p |
| 09:03.04 | kblin | only banks, insurance companies and consulting companies |
| 09:03.19 | antarus | cosulting would be fun for a while |
| 09:03.27 | antarus | learn a bit about the business side of things ;) |
| 09:03.30 | summatusmentis | my summer is planned out, scored an internship working w/ my GSoC org :) |
| 09:03.54 | kblin | antarus: I didn't study computational biology to end up administrating a bunch of windows boxes at a bank |
| 09:03.56 | Landon | openAFS? |
| 09:03.59 | antarus | arg, too much caffeine and pop today |
| 09:04.18 | summatusmentis | Landon: yeh, technically it'll be w/ a consultim company, but yeh |
| 09:04.25 | Landon | neato |
| 09:04.25 | summatusmentis | consulting* |
| 09:04.28 | summatusmentis | I can't type |
| 09:04.37 | antarus | kblin: I never said to take a job |
| 09:04.42 | antarus | kblin: I just said talk to them ;) |
| 09:04.48 | Landon | woot, one of the positions wants strong python skills >.> |
| 09:04.58 | antarus | maybe one of them knows a company that needs a computational biologist |
| 09:05.07 | summatusmentis | I'll... give you a strong python? |
| 09:05.17 | Landon | except in bed! |
| 09:05.21 | Landon | b-ziiiiiiinnng |
| 09:05.25 | antarus | coughs |
| 09:05.52 | antarus | is still trying to come up with something to do for a business of his own |
| 09:06.03 | antarus | all I can think of is computer repair |
| 09:06.08 | kblin | antarus: good point. luckily for all the really interesting positions I need a PhD anyway, so there's still a couple of years time :) |
| 09:06.08 | antarus | which is boring and probably not worth much money |
| 09:06.11 | summatusmentis | kblin: heard of Jackson Labs? they're a bio firm in ME, and always seem to be hiring for comp/bio stuff |
| 09:06.13 | Landon | antarus: HTPC building? |
| 09:06.19 | Landon | I've thought it would be fun |
| 09:06.21 | antarus | Landon: HT? |
| 09:06.22 | Landon | and not necessarily repair |
| 09:06.25 | Landon | home theater |
| 09:06.29 | Landon | mythtv/xbmc/etc |
| 09:06.35 | Landon | give them a dose of linux at home |
| 09:06.35 | antarus | not enough customers |
| 09:06.36 | Landon | :P |
| 09:06.54 | antarus | luckily BB/Geek Squad charge and arm and a leg |
| 09:07.00 | antarus | so it is simple to udercut their prices |
| 09:07.09 | Landon | then go whole hog and do home theater solutions :P |
| 09:07.20 | summatusmentis | Geek Squad isn't Geek Squad anymore :( |
| 09:07.20 | antarus | I dunnno enough about home theatre |
| 09:07.22 | Landon | I suspect that would require a lot of research into the area |
| 09:07.44 | antarus | I thought about working at GS for like 3 months to get an idea of their volume |
| 09:07.51 | Landon | GS? |
| 09:07.51 | Landon | oh |
| 09:07.52 | antarus | not sure if that is strictly legal in some areas ;p |
| 09:07.59 | Landon | heh |
| 09:08.14 | summatusmentis | haha |
| 09:08.20 | summatusmentis | I assume they have you sign something |
| 09:08.24 | antarus | yeah |
| 09:08.49 | Landon | but if you got to drive the beetle around it'd be all worth it |
| 09:08.50 | Landon | :) |
| 09:08.57 | antarus | all this web crap is too hard to monitize for my wee brain |
| 09:09.30 | antarus | that leaves me with...infrastructure consulting |
| 09:09.35 | antarus | which sounds boring |
| 09:09.37 | Landon | which is? |
| 09:10.08 | antarus | basically setup and maintenance for small businesses |
| 09:10.32 | Landon | ah |
| 09:10.43 | kblin | summatusmentis: yeah, they |
| 09:10.46 | antarus | GS does that too, but I think its per-incident |
| 09:10.56 | antarus | and I am thinking more of some kind of quasi-contract thing |
| 09:11.01 | kblin | 're big on mouse model stuff |
| 09:11.02 | antarus | not sure how prevelant it is |
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| 09:17.57 | antarus | ahh craigslist |
| 09:18.04 | antarus | you teach me new things every day |
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| 09:25.23 | kblin | wow... sanofi-aventis requires a phd for entry level positions in R&D |
| 09:31.29 | ajuonline | i graduate in 4 months, and i think its time i should start looking for a job? |
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| 16:49.28 | MatthewWilkes | oooh, new Dr Who announced soon |
| 17:04.33 | bcarlyon|laptop | Indeedy. |
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| 20:05.31 | MatthewWilkes | hmm, dunno about this new doctor |
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| 22:49.26 | danderson | anyone know an open source XML Schema definition tool? |
| 22:49.35 | danderson | writing this crap by hand is painful |
| 22:56.34 | mlankhorst | You could always write a tool to do it for you ;p |
| 23:00.13 | MatthewWilkes | danderson: You could even write an XML spec to describe them and an XSLT to create the definition |
| 23:01.09 | danderson | mlankhorst: right now I'm just interested in a schema |
| 23:01.25 | danderson | I need to define the structure of an XML message. Might as well use standard formats for that |
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