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| 00:02.50 | jabagawee | hey guys, when's the next GSOC? |
| 00:02.59 | Catfish_Man | next summer, presumably |
| 00:03.06 | Catfish_Man | probably starting prep this winter |
| 00:03.32 | Kraln | hmm, did I have to do anything special to recieve my tshirt if my address was already valid in the system? |
| 00:03.35 | jabagawee | hmm, sounds fun. |
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| 00:12.08 | jabagawee | is there an intro to gsoc somewhere on the internet that isn't the faq? |
| 00:12.18 | Catfish_Man | probably quite a few |
| 00:12.26 | Catfish_Man | most of the participating open source organizations have pages |
| 00:12.30 | Catfish_Man | google has their page |
| 00:12.36 | Catfish_Man | there's articles on most tech news sites |
| 00:12.37 | Catfish_Man | etc... |
| 00:12.41 | jabagawee | mind sending me a link? |
| 00:12.54 | jabagawee | like something that'll give me a deep overview of what it is |
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| 00:17.39 | araujo | mmm.... |
| 00:17.46 | araujo | antarus, you are the one far away |
| 00:23.51 | jabagawee | i'm sorry, but i still don't fully understand gsoc. can someone please provide a link describing it to me? |
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| 00:45.08 | mirsal | evening |
| 00:46.45 | mirsal | jabagawee, well, that's just google sponsoring open source projects by paying developers during three months. |
| 00:47.13 | jabagawee | ah |
| 00:47.25 | jabagawee | does google have any plans to hold another ghop? |
| 00:48.04 | mirsal | jabagawee, I guess it'll happen every year, like gsoc. |
| 00:48.14 | jabagawee | what's the timeframe like, usually? |
| 00:48.57 | mirsal | jabagawee, ghop or gsoc ? |
| 00:49.02 | jabagawee | ghop |
| 00:49.12 | jabagawee | obviously, gsoc would be in the summer :P |
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| 00:50.21 | mirsal | :p |
| 00:51.58 | mirsal | jabagawee, right, but it's quite vague. This year's one (the first) ran in november -> January |
| 00:52.15 | mirsal | s/January/Febuary |
| 00:53.00 | mirsal | (End of november to the begining of febuary) |
| 00:53.50 | jabagawee | do you think they'll hold another ghop soon then? |
| 00:54.29 | mirsal | Maybe next year :) |
| 00:54.33 | jabagawee | also, how often is it that a minor (under 18) gets accepted for gsoc? |
| 00:55.16 | mirsal | jabagawee, Hmmm, I don't know of any |
| 00:57.00 | mirsal | jabagawee, Actually, you must be older than 18 in order to participate |
| 00:57.38 | jabagawee | oh. |
| 00:58.13 | jabagawee | cuz the stipend sounded pretty high for a kid with no expenses of his own |
| 00:58.14 | jabagawee | :P |
| 00:58.25 | mirsal | lulz |
| 00:59.37 | mirsal | We're not doing it for the money anyway =) |
| 01:03.50 | jabagawee | true, but it's all for the good of the open source community. |
| 01:04.01 | jabagawee | i get money, i build a dev box, i make more code :P |
| 01:04.25 | mirsal | hehe |
| 01:05.16 | mirsal | You forgot to mention the "buy bananas" thing |
| 01:07.36 | mirsal | as everyone knows, more bananas == more code |
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| 01:33.28 | kendrick | hehe |
| 01:42.37 | araujo | lh, Hola amiga?, como esta hoy? |
| 01:43.06 | lh | araujo: muy bien, gracias. y tu mi amigo? |
| 01:43.22 | araujo | :-D |
| 01:43.34 | araujo | lh, todo bien, acabo de cenar |
| 01:45.14 | lh | needs to use google translate |
| 01:45.19 | lh | what is acabo de cenar? |
| 01:46.16 | araujo | lh, just ate dinner! |
| 01:46.17 | araujo | :-D |
| 01:47.28 | lh | araujo: cool |
| 01:52.02 | lh | goes to do that too |
| 01:53.57 | araujo | :-) |
| 01:54.01 | araujo | enjoy h |
| 01:54.04 | araujo | lh* |
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| 02:13.07 | summatusmentis | how're you araujo |
| 02:13.19 | araujo | hi there summatusmentis |
| 02:13.25 | araujo | doing well, thanks, and you? |
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| 02:14.32 | summatusmentis | I'm alright, tired, and I should be doing homework :) |
| 02:14.39 | araujo | hah |
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| 02:17.44 | summatusmentis | hi Catfish_Man |
| 02:17.52 | Catfish_Man | hihi |
| 02:19.54 | summatusmentis | how is your life? |
| 02:20.49 | Catfish_Man | it is pretty decent |
| 02:20.53 | Catfish_Man | I am really tired though |
| 02:20.57 | Catfish_Man | woke up at 4:30AM for some reason |
| 02:21.33 | summatusmentis | on purpose? |
| 02:21.37 | Catfish_Man | no |
| 02:21.42 | summatusmentis | that bites |
| 02:21.48 | Catfish_Man | my sleep schedule is just totally f'ed the other direction now |
| 02:22.02 | Catfish_Man | 9:30PM to 4:30AM instead of 3AM to 2PM |
| 02:22.09 | summatusmentis | I'm a college student, I know how screwed up sleep schedules go :) |
| 02:22.24 | thebolt | hi |
| 02:22.29 | Catfish_Man | hi thebolt |
| 02:22.48 | summatusmentis | hi thebolt |
| 02:22.58 | summatusmentis | your nick looks like one of my last names :) |
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| 02:26.15 | r0bby | oh mai, it's lh |
| 02:26.19 | r0bby | is not worthy! |
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| 02:36.29 | dmitrig01|afk | lh: i got my google soc shirt on saturday |
| 02:36.39 | dmitrig01|afk | lh: i wore it to badcamp :-) |
| 02:37.11 | thebolt | wont get his until next summer.. ./ |
| 02:37.30 | summatusmentis | thebolt: do you live on the mooon or something? |
| 02:38.29 | thebolt | summatusmentis: no, but the google system has my address in sweden (where i usually live.. i think) but i am right now on taiwan and won't go back to sweden until next summer |
| 02:38.41 | summatusmentis | oh, bummer |
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| 02:46.30 | SanMehat | lo |
| 02:47.17 | summatusmentis | hi SanMehat |
| 02:47.37 | SanMehat | how are you? :) |
| 02:48.33 | summatusmentis | good... wishing there were more android devices :) |
| 02:51.01 | SanMehat | hahaha |
| 02:51.54 | r0bby | dmitrig01|afk: i hate you |
| 02:51.57 | r0bby | i haven't gotten mine :< |
| 02:52.20 | r0bby | does trhe t-shirt need to be signed for? :X |
| 02:52.45 | SanMehat | ? |
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| 02:57.47 | kyron | SanMehat: does CUDA ring a bell? |
| 02:58.42 | kyron | (out of pure curiosity) |
| 02:59.18 | summatusmentis | r0bby: no idea |
| 03:01.31 | SanMehat | kyron: CUDA....... |
| 03:01.40 | SanMehat | rings a bell... |
| 03:02.01 | SanMehat | why? |
| 03:05.23 | SanMehat | kyron: ?? |
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| 03:07.06 | SanMehat | now *thats* creepy |
| 03:07.07 | SanMehat | :) |
| 03:08.06 | kyron | SanMehat: what's creepy? :P |
| 03:08.26 | kyron | jsut wondered if you had any interest in massivly parallel coding :P |
| 03:08.42 | kyron | obviously doesn't have a bell tied to his nick. |
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| 03:15.41 | Landon | off note: does anyone know of any image gallery software that a) can use flatfiles or sqlite to store information |
| 03:15.58 | Landon | and possibly b) can be put ontop of an existing file hierarchy of images/ and images/thumbs/ |
| 03:17.06 | kyron | Landon: http://mkgallery.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:17.10 | JeffM2501 | can't gallery do that |
| 03:17.11 | JeffM2501 | gallery 1 |
| 03:19.12 | Landon | I think I looked at it once and deemed it unsuitable |
| 03:19.14 | Landon | might look again |
| 03:20.09 | Landon | flashy javascript is a plus as well :p |
| 03:20.57 | thebolt | kyron: massivly parallel stuff is nice.. CUDA when i looked at it was not as nice ;) |
| 03:21.43 | kyron | thebolt: what type of processing are-you doing? |
| 03:24.27 | thebolt | well, i have done different kinds.. but things like parallel processing of game physics (PC and consoles).. nowdays i am more moving toward programmable/configurable hardware, which in many cases is inheritly totally parallel |
| 03:26.07 | kyron | thebolt: you mean programmable for the computation of a/multiple task(s)? |
| 03:26.10 | danderson | woohoo |
| 03:26.20 | danderson | just jumped out of a plane :D |
| 03:26.25 | Landon | aha, I think waht it was was that gallery 1 didnt work well when I installed it on lighttpd |
| 03:26.27 | summatusmentis | 3on purpose? |
| 03:26.30 | summatusmentis | 3 |
| 03:26.34 | summatusmentis | -3** |
| 03:26.38 | Landon | danderson: psycho :P |
| 03:26.40 | danderson | yeah :) |
| 03:26.44 | danderson | skydiving, 12000 feet |
| 03:26.50 | danderson | friggin' awesome |
| 03:28.00 | thebolt | kyron: what do you mean? |
| 03:28.27 | kyron | danderson: O_o....Aw-some |
| 03:29.41 | kyron | thebolt: you're telling me you moved to programmable hardware for parallele computing...this _has_ to be specific-task driven to be of any interest. I was asking you to confirm this assumption of mine... |
| 03:29.54 | kyron | it sorta also has to be non-verctorial computation |
| 03:30.24 | danderson | kyron: yeah, awesome. Biggest adrenaline rush ever :) |
| 03:30.38 | thebolt | kyron: well, programmable (or rather reconfigurable hardware) is in itself general, but with a given program/configuration, it is specific-taks, yes |
| 03:31.30 | danderson | kyron: also, did I tell you when we met about that LLVM research project that automatically splits a program into a software and hardware component? |
| 03:32.06 | danderson | an extra compiler pass identifies sections of code that can be implemented very efficiently in hardware, and splits them off to a VHDL synthesis pipeline |
| 03:32.23 | danderson | and also generates the glue code that lets the "normal" software call functions that have been implemented in hardware |
| 03:32.23 | kyron | danderson: hell NO! (LLVM) ...oh...wait...hell yes, wasn't it Low Level VM? |
| 03:32.42 | danderson | yeah, the low level virtual machine |
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| 03:32.47 | danderson | but actually, LLVM is a real compiler too. |
| 03:32.55 | danderson | You can translate from the llvm bitcode into native code |
| 03:33.03 | kyron | hehe, yeah, cool stuff, it sounds and smells like Transmeta' |
| 03:33.08 | kyron | s processor |
| 03:33.13 | danderson | but the compiler is extremely modular, so there is a lot of cool research stuff going on |
| 03:33.32 | danderson | this particular project was for a board with an x86 iirc, and a xilinx fpga on some bus |
| 03:34.01 | kyron | woah...that smells like a revolution...the CUDA coding I'm reading up is yet another revolution happening right now...at a damned fast pace |
| 03:34.04 | danderson | and with no programmer intervention, the compiler automagically outputs an x86 executable, and a xilinx program |
| 03:34.21 | danderson | and handles all the inter-chip communication |
| 03:34.24 | danderson | I find that awesome :) |
| 03:34.27 | Ori_B | danderson: cool =) |
| 03:34.39 | danderson | although, I'm told it's currently pretty useless |
| 03:34.39 | Ori_B | is still playing around with his compiler project thing |
| 03:34.48 | kyron | danderson: ie: send off vector math to VHDL and do logics in CPU.. |
| 03:34.53 | Ori_B | I'm just working on turning it into an LLVM-like set of filters you pipe together =) |
| 03:34.55 | danderson | because the pass that identifies "hardwarizable code" is still pretty dumb |
| 03:35.15 | Ori_B | eventual goal is for me to support mixing JIT'ed bytecode with native assembly |
| 03:35.24 | danderson | kyron: yeah: if you identify a loop over an array that does math ops, just generate a vector CPU in the xilinx, and offload the computation :) |
| 03:35.28 | danderson | stuff like that |
| 03:35.29 | kyron | danderson: duhuh... I'd guess it might need some compiler #pragmas like openmp |
| 03:35.34 | thebolt | danderson: well, its pretty hard problem ;) |
| 03:35.52 | thebolt | danderson: but definitely sounds like something that i might do a thesis work on in a year ;-) |
| 03:35.55 | kyron | danderson: then it might be good to litterally tie it into the openmp standard |
| 03:35.59 | danderson | thebolt: yeah, but now the infrastructure for doing it is actually there |
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| 03:36.04 | Ori_B | and ubergoal is to allow stuff like: '#(target = gpu) int myfunc() { ... }; int main() { while (blah) { myfunc() } }' |
| 03:36.17 | danderson | "all" that remains is to analyze the AST, identify hardware-friendly blocks, and generate corresponding VHDL |
| 03:36.21 | Ori_B | that would be super-cool =D |
| 03:36.30 | danderson | everything else is already hooked into the LLVM pass manager, so it'd all happen magically |
| 03:36.37 | kyron | nudged thebolt onto 'ready to use infrastructures |
| 03:36.43 | kyron | ...like OpenMP :P |
| 03:36.52 | thebolt | danderson: well, i assume there are tons of things that one can look into still ;) |
| 03:37.06 | thebolt | (especially as even VHDL->"hardware" isn't really solved yet ;) |
| 03:37.18 | danderson | thebolt: well, all the automatic identification of good candidates for synthesis |
| 03:37.29 | danderson | the vhdl->hardware stuff is handled by the Xilinx toolchain |
| 03:37.41 | danderson | LLVM just drives the Xilinx tools to produce the FPGA image |
| 03:37.43 | kyron | given the constant ecolution of GCC, don't think I can be proven wrong by stating that this would also be a never ending story ;) |
| 03:37.56 | danderson | (can't remember how you call that, the program that configures the fpga?) |
| 03:37.59 | danderson | oh, bitstream |
| 03:38.00 | danderson | that's it |
| 03:38.05 | thebolt | yes, but i mean that from an academic (and theoretical) point of view, for it to be really useful it needs to generate _Efficient_ code |
| 03:38.25 | thebolt | and doing "best" mapping to hardware is pretty hard, both for comp and human |
| 03:38.26 | kyron | thebolt: also a never ending story :P |
| 03:38.46 | kyron | believe me...I've been racking my brain on the issue for the past 1.5 yr |
| 03:39.00 | danderson | here is no "best" |
| 03:39.05 | danderson | even for regular software compilers |
| 03:39.23 | danderson | "optimization" is just a handful of specific tricks that have been automated, for the most part |
| 03:39.47 | danderson | it's just that with enough specific small speed hacks, you end up with pretty decent improvements :) |
| 03:39.54 | danderson | and with llvm, even better |
| 03:39.59 | danderson | link-time optimization \o/ |
| 03:40.01 | thebolt | well, both software and hardware "construction" there is a best possible result |
| 03:40.22 | thebolt | (which usually is NP-hard to reach..) |
| 03:40.47 | danderson | sure, but the problem is especially hard for hardware |
| 03:40.54 | danderson | just because of the massive scale |
| 03:41.01 | kyron | danderson: got my NXT btw...the thing is damned kioute but I have to store it for the moment :( |
| 03:41.13 | kyron | thebolt: use GA :P |
| 03:41.29 | danderson | kyron: woot. How long until you can start messing with it? :P |
| 03:41.43 | kyron | and let's not forget bus contention and the issue of sending the data over :P |
| 03:41.44 | thebolt | danderson: tellme about it |
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| 03:42.11 | thebolt | danderson: doing analog IC design course(s) atm.. and there you dont have any (almost) automatic tools as vhdl-compiler or so.. |
| 03:42.18 | kyron | danderson: a while...although I might get annoyed at one point and open up the box...but I don't think that will be for another 1.5-2months... I have lots to write up |
| 03:42.32 | thebolt | so even 2-3 transistor stuff takes ages to calculate (and then simulate to see that your manual calculations are wrong.. and you iterate) |
| 03:42.39 | danderson | kyron: ok. Take your time, nxos isn't going anywhere, and it's important to get your shit done :) |
| 03:42.50 | danderson | thebolt: oh ouch analog circuitry |
| 03:42.54 | danderson | what kind? |
| 03:43.00 | kyron | thebolt: hmmmmmm... H bridge :P |
| 03:43.27 | thebolt | danderson: well, taking two courses.. one in generic analog IC design, another in RF-frequency analog IC design |
| 03:43.30 | danderson | knows even less about analog circuits than he does about digital circuits |
| 03:43.39 | thebolt | heh me too. .which is why i study it |
| 03:43.56 | danderson | give me zeros and ones, and a datasheet with the wiring for clock/power/etc. :) |
| 03:44.14 | danderson | but I'd like to understand more |
| 03:44.19 | danderson | ooh, especially RF circuits |
| 03:44.39 | danderson | one of my "retarded impossible projects" is to build a wifi card |
| 03:44.42 | danderson | just for the heck of it :) |
| 03:44.53 | scorche | danderson: you have a rockbox target yet? |
| 03:44.55 | danderson | but without RF skillz, I'm pretty much screwed |
| 03:45.11 | kyron | danderson: don't waste your time, unless you really _really_ like complex (i/j) math and Maxwell :P |
| 03:45.16 | danderson | scorche: nope. On vacation until november anyway |
| 03:45.32 | danderson | kyron: but I need that if I want to build circuits with RF components :( |
| 03:45.41 | kyron | danderson: oh yeah! |
| 03:45.49 | danderson | also, maxwell was kinda fun during the electromag course I took |
| 03:46.12 | danderson | although out of the 6 months, we were told we'd be doing 3 months of just math, no physics at all |
| 03:46.27 | danderson | because we needed to learn the language before we could understand maxwell's equations :) |
| 03:46.29 | kyron | actaully, there are quite some antennae simulators out there (HPC required for high res simulation) that can help with the board design ;) |
| 03:47.05 | kyron | danderson: true...ah yes, you _do_ at least have a solid base to work on :P |
| 03:47.14 | danderson | yeah, but I don't have a cluster around, and I like understanding *why* stuff works, not just how to make it work :) |
| 03:47.18 | kyron | you planning on making a directionnal wifi card ;) |
| 03:47.40 | kyron | tonight's theme: never ending sagas |
| 03:47.54 | danderson | for example, when I wire up a quartz for the clock of a microcontroller, with the two picofarad capacitors and stuff |
| 03:47.57 | scorche | danderson: was just curious as i was going to order a bunch of sansas from froobi.com and ship them to .eu |
| 03:48.03 | danderson | I have *no* idea why that circuit works |
| 03:48.17 | danderson | I just know that the datasheet says so, and that the controller boots |
| 03:48.34 | danderson | but it's frustrating to not know how the main oscillator that gives a clock to your whole circuit works :) |
| 03:48.47 | danderson | (actually, I'm going to read up on that right now, it's bugging me) |
| 03:48.53 | danderson | scorche: ooh, hmm. |
| 03:49.08 | danderson | scorche: how much and how can I pay? |
| 03:49.21 | SanMehat | kyron: i played with the gpu stuff awhile back, it was neat |
| 03:49.30 | Ori_B | danderson: oscillators are usually really just pizeoelectric tuning forks |
| 03:49.40 | danderson | scorche: and has the sansa port moved at all recently? |
| 03:49.46 | kyron | danderson: oh, you want to know about natural ocsillation and CR RC circuits (though there is a quartz there for the clock) |
| 03:50.17 | scorche | danderson: depends on which device you want to get...they have both v1s and v2s there separated out.....you just pay me back sansa + shipping via paypal...i dont make a profit |
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| 03:50.41 | kyron | SanMehat: it's evolved quite a bit in the past year, CUDA is a library to make it all 'trivial' to use the GPUs now |
| 03:50.42 | scorche | danderson: a little bit...check the forum thread for current progress on the v2s...i am not following it that closely |
| 03:51.05 | danderson | scorche: hm, I think I'll figure it out when I get home |
| 03:51.13 | danderson | no sense in buying stuff when I'm on the other side of the world :) |
| 03:51.41 | scorche | alright...the offer is always open if you want...just figured i would let you knwo while i am making a run of 10 or so sansas |
| 03:52.45 | danderson | right, thanks |
| 03:53.09 | kyron | danderson: you still in NZ btw? |
| 03:53.13 | danderson | (though tbh, I'm getting a weird vibe from the folks porting to the sansa v2 :/ |
| 03:53.24 | thebolt | Ori_B: totally depends on what circuit you have ;) |
| 03:53.26 | danderson | kyron: yeah, Queenstown |
| 03:53.33 | danderson | that's why I went skydiving :) |
| 03:53.37 | Ori_B | thebolt: hence the "usually" =) |
| 03:53.40 | kyron | danderson: the have good beer? |
| 03:53.41 | SanMehat | kyron: next time i need to do something computationally intensive... i'll keep that in mind :) |
| 03:53.52 | Ori_B | gives thebolt a circuit with a pendulum hanging off it |
| 03:54.06 | danderson | skydiving with a view of the Remarkable mountain range and a view of the Tasman sea, can't beat it |
| 03:54.27 | SanMehat | danderson: hey man how are you doing? |
| 03:55.05 | danderson | SanMehat: great! Though right now I'm falling asleep, the counterpoint of the adrenaline rush of jumping out of a plane :) |
| 03:55.34 | danderson | but good. Great vacation, great places, great people |
| 03:55.46 | danderson | they do have a really shitty internet service though |
| 03:55.52 | kyron | lol |
| 03:56.09 | danderson | kyron: meh, honestly, kiwi beer, not that great |
| 03:56.15 | llnz | hehe |
| 03:56.17 | scorche | danderson: eh...funman is decent |
| 03:56.19 | danderson | Monteith's isn't bad, they have a few nice ones |
| 03:56.28 | llnz | NZ rules! |
| 03:56.44 | danderson | scorche: I mean, it seems to me like they're all withholding information |
| 03:56.46 | kyron | danderson: love in a canoe heh :P |
| 03:56.55 | danderson | they just post "progress reports" that sound like "Look what I can do!" |
| 03:57.06 | danderson | but not sharing anything significant to spread the help around |
| 03:57.23 | danderson | I may be wrong mind you, I just got that vibe from reading the forum thread |
| 03:57.33 | scorche | danderson: eh...forums arent really for much dev discussion |
| 03:57.47 | scorche | that tends to happen in IRC or somesuch |
| 03:57.50 | danderson | yeah, but it seems that's all rockbox has really :) |
| 03:57.59 | danderson | I haven't seen any sansa hackers on irc |
| 03:58.22 | scorche | you havent looked closely enough then ;) |
| 03:58.52 | danderson | no, I think I looked while one of them was on holiday |
| 03:59.01 | danderson | and the others weren't around for some reason |
| 04:00.34 | danderson | SanMehat: and how are things in CA? |
| 04:01.11 | SanMehat | danderson: not too bad.. wedding is in just over 2 weeks.. |
| 04:01.38 | danderson | heh, so getting busy eh? :) |
| 04:04.17 | danderson | kyron: does CUDA work from linux as well? |
| 04:04.26 | danderson | or is it only supported by the win32 device drivers? |
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| 04:06.19 | kyron | danderson: you bet it does! |
| 04:06.41 | kyron | I just bought a card to test it out, it's damned well applicable to my thesis ;) |
| 04:08.02 | kyron | also, the new and shinny Telsa cards from Nvidia now support 64bit (double precision)...which was one of the caveats of using GPUs..the parallel processing possibilities are astonishing for any intense vectorial math |
| 04:08.14 | kyron | (this includes md5 sums cracking ;) |
| 04:08.40 | danderson | heh |
| 04:09.02 | danderson | does running code on the gpu completely disable the graphics functions, or is there cohabitation? |
| 04:10.06 | kyron | there is cohabitation, but reading the specs, computation slices musn't go over 5 seconds (why...don't ask me). The intent of CUDA is for massive parallel processing, the type where people will literally buy 4-5 cards to put into a single machine to perform the HPC work.. |
| 04:10.17 | kyron | there are already Photoshop and Matlab plugins! |
| 04:10.28 | danderson | oh, but 5s chunks only? |
| 04:10.31 | danderson | that's... weird |
| 04:10.44 | danderson | maybe the GPU heats up too fast otherwise :P |
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| 04:10.54 | danderson | but it is confusing |
| 04:11.02 | kyron | that is only if the vid card is being used in an X sessionn |
| 04:11.12 | kyron | it doesn't apply to dedicated hardware |
| 04:11.23 | danderson | hm, but you still have video output while it's crunching? |
| 04:11.32 | danderson | or does the display freeze for 5s while you're running your code? |
| 04:11.45 | kyron | the coding model and aggregation strategies are restrictive though |
| 04:11.58 | kyron | danderson: no idea. |
| 04:12.15 | danderson | well, it's pretty specific hardware, so I'm not surprised |
| 04:12.39 | danderson | wants to be in a future where you have quad-core machines, but two of the cores are field programmable |
| 04:12.58 | kyron | yeah, me neither, like openmp, people still _have_ to learn a little... |
| 04:13.01 | danderson | then your software could bundle hardware to boost it :) |
| 04:13.17 | kyron | "oh the noes! You mean I can't just do gcc -O999!" |
| 04:13.23 | danderson | heh |
| 04:13.39 | danderson | although with field programmable CPUs you start running into safety and trust issues |
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| 04:14.00 | Ori_B | danderson: would that really help that much in the general case? I mean, the stuff is faster for the most part because it's a fixed circuit that doesn't have to handle dynamic updates |
| 04:14.02 | Catfish_Man | kyron: to be fair, mental overhead spent making things go zoom is mental overhead not spent making the app better in other ways |
| 04:14.05 | kyron | they added some C directives such as __global__ and func_call<<<x,y>>>(a,b,c) |
| 04:14.05 | danderson | given how irresponsible people are with software, I'm not sure how ready I am to let them alter their hardware :) |
| 04:14.28 | Ori_B | once you start adding field-programmability, you end up with higher propagation delays and such |
| 04:14.42 | Ori_B | (and yeah, microcode is there, but it's usually relatively limited) |
| 04:14.43 | danderson | Ori_B: well, depends, but yeah, I guess so. |
| 04:14.47 | kyron | Catfish_Man: true, especially for interfaces and user programs. But a little less true when concentrating on HPC coding and massive data anallisys |
| 04:14.53 | Catfish_Man | oh, definitely |
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| 04:14.59 | danderson | Okay then, plug-and-play consumer CoPUs |
| 04:15.06 | Ori_B | danderson: you mean GPUs? |
| 04:15.08 | Ori_B | ;-) |
| 04:15.15 | danderson | kinda, only even moreso |
| 04:15.26 | Ori_B | hm. with PCI-E, I think they might even be hot-swappable |
| 04:15.31 | kyron | Ori_B: you thinking of the Alpha chips (uCode flexibility) |
| 04:15.31 | danderson | you buy your game, it comes with a little widget you stick in the coprocessor slot on the front of the machine |
| 04:15.34 | Ori_B | was PCI-E hotswappable, I think? |
| 04:15.37 | danderson | you buy photoshop, same deal |
| 04:15.38 | danderson | etc. |
| 04:16.05 | kyron | danderson: totally, especially since _lots_ of people are now interested in this new vectorial co-pro |
| 04:16.06 | danderson | iirc some sega genesis cartridges did that |
| 04:16.07 | Ori_B | danderson: heh. the thing is you might end up running into the hardware RAID problem |
| 04:16.15 | Catfish_Man | danderson: return of SuperFX ;) |
| 04:16.22 | danderson | bundled an extra CPU/ram in the cartridge, because the native console couldn't take it :) |
| 04:16.24 | Ori_B | danderson: CPUs got so fast that hardware raid is now slower than software raid |
| 04:16.25 | Ori_B | =) |
| 04:16.31 | kblin | morning |
| 04:17.11 | kyron | Ori_B: my RAID5 here does tend to lock up my mahcine if I do some intense IO...even though the CPU usage stays down |
| 04:17.16 | ds | what days are the mentor summit? |
| 04:17.23 | Ori_B | kyron: hm, really? |
| 04:17.25 | Ori_B | Linux? |
| 04:17.27 | danderson | sucky disk controllers? |
| 04:17.32 | Ori_B | because I'm not noticing that here... |
| 04:17.34 | danderson | well, bus controllers I mean |
| 04:17.59 | kblin | ds: sat, sun |
| 04:17.59 | kyron | Ori_B: yes |
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| 04:18.09 | Ori_B | I also have software RAID 5, and it doesn't degrade things any more than a single disk did |
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| 04:19.17 | danderson | eheh, awesome blog post title: "Silver bullets, silver shrapnel" |
| 04:19.22 | kyron | Ori_B: 4 SATA (same controller) 160Gig in raid5, kernel is 2.6.25-gentoo-r6_KyRoN_64 and CONFIG_HZ is 300 ...the CONFIG_HZ might have some impact here |
| 04:19.33 | danderson | (the article itself I don't really agree with, but the title is fun) |
| 04:19.48 | danderson | nah, it's gentoo's fault :P |
| 04:20.01 | danderson | you probably forgot -mlolol when you compiled a completely unrelated library |
| 04:20.14 | danderson | ;) |
| 04:20.21 | Ori_B | kyron: hm. I'm on 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Aug 20 12:09:32 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 04:20.24 | Ori_B | debian stock kernel |
| 04:20.46 | Ori_B | 3 SATA 500 gig in raid5 |
| 04:20.53 | danderson | any of you two using LVM? |
| 04:21.09 | danderson | or just plain raid? |
| 04:21.50 | kyron | Ori_B: ah, less disks of higher performance |
| 04:22.02 | kyron | danderson: no..NO...NOooooooooo |
| 04:22.09 | kyron | plain md |
| 04:22.13 | Ori_B | danderson: plain raid. |
| 04:22.31 | Ori_B | kyron: it's what was cheapest to buy when I built the machine =) |
| 04:22.34 | danderson | why not LVM? :( |
| 04:22.35 | dmitrig01 | [9:20pm] danderson: you probably forgot -mlolol when you compiled a completely unrelated library <-- lol |
| 04:22.38 | dmitrig01 | *mlol |
| 04:22.38 | danderson | like LVM |
| 04:22.44 | kyron | Ori_B: my RAID crosses 2 controllers (onboard intel and one jMicron "SATA") |
| 04:22.50 | Ori_B | danderson: heh. the Debian installer made it easier to set up plain MD |
| 04:22.58 | Ori_B | nice gui |
| 04:22.58 | kyron | lol |
| 04:23.07 | danderson | oh well, you're just weaklings |
| 04:23.21 | danderson | back in the day, I set up raid+lvm when the installer didn't support it at all |
| 04:23.25 | Ori_B | just a "partition is in RAID array" checkbox when I selected the partition type |
| 04:23.40 | kyron | danderson: no LVM due to complexity Vs this is my home system (which happens to be an uber server for like 1001 uses...but still) |
| 04:23.53 | danderson | basically installed the base system into the swap partition, then raided/lvm'd the rest of the drives, debootstrapped and foom :) |
| 04:24.01 | kyron | danderson: installer...dude, I run gentoo..there is no such thing...really.. |
| 04:24.15 | antarus | kyron: sure there is |
| 04:24.26 | kyron | antarus: Vaed Retro SATANA |
| 04:24.35 | kyron | you lie...LIEEEEEEE...lies I tell you! |
| 04:24.46 | danderson | no, but I mean, setting up raid/lvm is not something where I find that I need an installer :) |
| 04:25.09 | danderson | sure, it's nice, but bootstrapping yourself is much more fun :) |
| 04:25.11 | kblin | danderson: speaking of weaklings.. what do I need to do to get some bloody feedback on trying to confirm a bug I'm seeing with svn? I did all the steps described on the "reporting a bug" page, including a script to reproduce the error.. |
| 04:25.14 | kyron | danderson: agreed, but I found the whole abstraction stuff from LVM not worth my use of my personnal time |
| 04:25.39 | Ori_B | danderson: heh. if there's a checkbox, I'll use it =P |
| 04:25.49 | Ori_B | although... how well does ext3 resize with lvm? |
| 04:25.55 | danderson | kblin: if you sent to dev@, then you should be getting something |
| 04:25.59 | kyron | danderson: I have an old RH7.2 machine on which I'd do the swap bootstrap thing...if only it weren't 5000km aeay ;) |
| 04:26.07 | danderson | Ori_B: it resizes, but offline only |
| 04:26.07 | kyron | s/aeay/away/ |
| 04:26.26 | danderson | unmount the partition, run the ext resize tool, then tell LVM to shrink the logical volume |
| 04:26.32 | kyron | slaps ibot around with a large trout |
| 04:26.34 | kyron | you douche |
| 04:26.35 | danderson | in *that* order |
| 04:26.48 | danderson | otherwise ext gets *very* confused when it runs off the end of the LV looking for data :P |
| 04:27.07 | kyron | danderson: iirc, lvm also has some neat snapshot features |
| 04:27.38 | Ori_B | danderson: heh. ok. |
| 04:27.48 | kyron | but wait, if one wants to do spooky things to their FS, might as well look into SUN's FS |
| 04:27.54 | danderson | yeah, snapshotting is also fun |
| 04:27.55 | Ori_B | was more thinking of just slapping another disk in while still running (SATA is hotplug, afer all) |
| 04:28.04 | danderson | for eg backups |
| 04:28.09 | Ori_B | kyron: yeah. although btrfs is also promising. |
| 04:28.10 | kblin | danderson: The instructions said to get a confirmation on user@ first |
| 04:28.13 | Ori_B | wants that in his kernel |
| 04:28.17 | danderson | snapshot the partition, then build backups from the snapshot |
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| 04:28.31 | danderson | kblin: nah, go to dev@ :) |
| 04:28.32 | kyron | still thinks it's funny that `eject /dev/sda` was all he needed to remove his SATA disk |
| 04:28.42 | kblin | danderson: ok, will do |
| 04:28.44 | danderson | more devs there, you'll get more attention for non-trivial bugs |
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| 04:29.02 | kyron | Ori_B: it's in portage ;) |
| 04:29.03 | kblin | danderson: it should be trivial to confirm |
| 04:29.04 | danderson | kblin: I assume this is pretty obviously a bug, not a "feature" ? |
| 04:29.13 | kblin | danderson: not sure about that |
| 04:29.18 | danderson | e.g. corruption/data loss, not something that's not implemented? |
| 04:29.25 | danderson | do you have a link to your email? |
| 04:29.28 | Ori_B | kyron: I'm on debian =P |
| 04:29.30 | danderson | is not subscribed to users@ |
| 04:29.38 | Ori_B | plus, it's a bit too beeding edge for me right now |
| 04:29.39 | kblin | danderson: http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=83144 |
| 04:30.08 | kblin | danderson: basically svn info and svn info -r HEAD differ in unexpected ways |
| 04:30.22 | kyron | Ori_B: well, it's also "keyworded" under gentoo |
| 04:30.50 | kyron | antarus: you used the installer? |
| 04:30.52 | danderson | kblin: sounds like a bug. |
| 04:31.18 | danderson | or it may be a feature under some obscure logic, but if it is, then it should get talked about and unborked :) |
| 04:32.14 | kblin | ok, so I'll send that to the dev@ list then |
| 04:32.23 | danderson | in any case, you dshould get attention on dev@. |
| 04:32.26 | danderson | yes |
| 04:33.02 | Ori_B | goes to bed |
| 04:33.03 | Ori_B | 'night |
| 04:33.16 | kblin | it's not mentioned in svn help info or in the svn bug, and it took me quite some time to find it when my app parsing the output of svn info --xml broke |
| 04:34.08 | kblin | so while it might be an accidental feature, I'd at least like to know the reasoning behind it :) |
| 04:35.20 | kyron | danderson: btw, CUDA comes with many basic math libs like BLAS...which makes usig CUDA a joke compared to what it used to be with hacking OpenGL code to use GPUs |
| 04:35.41 | danderson | yeah. I'm 99.99% sure it's a bug where different code paths treat paths differently, but maybe someone will brilliantly explain why it makes total sense |
| 04:35.46 | danderson | (I hope not, because it makes no sense :) |
| 04:37.45 | kyron | (and for those reading the history, _yes_ CUDA programming is _very_ simmilar to CELL programming...from what I am reading) |
| 04:38.31 | antarus | kyron: lord no ;) |
| 04:39.23 | kyron | antarus: thought so :P |
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| 04:58.30 | kyron | Ah crap on a stick...now why is it that Nvidia believes it necessary to only provide installer packages for distributions and not provide simple generic .tar files... |
| 04:58.35 | danderson | ouch, reading about DSLR lenses is painful |
| 04:59.06 | kyron | ? |
| 04:59.16 | danderson | "This is an awesome lens, it really wins! Oh, and it costs $1100." |
| 04:59.24 | kyron | lol |
| 04:59.55 | kblin | kyron: because noone wants to support the gentoo crowd ;) |
| 05:01.06 | kblin | "help, I tried to compile your program, and it breaks" "used any fancy make flags" "no" "seems like you compiled with --break-my-program-pretty-please" "oh, that... I read you should use that on a wiki somewhere" |
| 05:01.11 | danderson | hah, also |
| 05:01.47 | kyron | kblin: or any non-packaged-shrink-wrapped distribution...yeah yeah.. |
| 05:02.01 | Catfish_Man | y'know, a really mean thing to do to gentoo developers would be to make a wiki with concise, easy to understand, *totally wrong* advice on compiling things |
| 05:02.02 | danderson | "This is a really cheap and cool lens. If you feel like spending a little more, go for the f/1.4 model for better shots. Well, I say a little more, it's actually 4 times more." |
| 05:02.48 | kblin | kyron: well, same difference, yeah |
| 05:03.12 | kyron | kblin: that's ASSuming I'm a half-assed ricer with total neglect on other people's time and resources. They could at least provide a tar with 'no support, no warranty' clause-type-usual-disclamer |
| 05:03.42 | Catfish_Man | kyron: what we (adium) found is that when we offered things like that, people ignored the disclaimer |
| 05:03.49 | kblin | nods |
| 05:03.53 | kblin | same for Wine |
| 05:03.56 | Catfish_Man | and then were abusive on our irc channel |
| 05:04.06 | kyron | Catfish_Man: can't you just return the favor and...uhm...ignore them? :P |
| 05:04.11 | kblin | oh yeah, and on Bugzilla |
| 05:04.22 | Catfish_Man | kyron: it adds load to the triage and support guys |
| 05:04.24 | kblin | kyron: yeah, and it's easier if you don't provide packages |
| 05:04.25 | Catfish_Man | who are already overloaded |
| 05:04.27 | kyron | sigh...tahat many and that bad? |
| 05:04.32 | danderson | build in a command that redisplays the warranty waiver in big red flashing letters |
| 05:04.34 | kblin | kyron: yes. |
| 05:04.43 | danderson | and when they whine, tell them to type it. |
| 05:05.13 | danderson | oh, and also build in a second command which silently wipes all partition tables it can find |
| 05:05.20 | danderson | in case they don't get the clue from the first command :P |
| 05:05.24 | kblin | kyron: the fact that Wine doesn't support 64bit if you want the win32 api to work doesn't help for all those "i got a 64bit machine, I'm building a 64bit distro" folks |
| 05:05.58 | kblin | danderson: funny you should say that. there's a bug report in the wine bugzilla about this happening. ;) |
| 05:06.01 | kyron | kblin: I can't answer for general wanabe-geek-ignorance |
| 05:06.14 | kyron | lol |
| 05:06.20 | danderson | kblin: oh? |
| 05:06.21 | kblin | kyron: sure. I don't expect you to. |
| 05:06.22 | Catfish_Man | kyron: yeah, our solution in this case was to make sure the barrier to entry was high enough to weed out the total noobs |
| 05:06.36 | Catfish_Man | i.e. if you can check the source out of svn, you probably know at least a little what you're getting into |
| 05:06.39 | kyron | doesn't 'do' the wine stuff...it's like being hypocrite :) |
| 05:06.59 | kblin | kyron: I'm just trying to explain why even open source projects don't feel like supporting "build your own" distros |
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| 05:07.16 | kyron | Catfish_Man: I somehow doubt Nvidia has a public SVN for CUDA ;P |
| 05:07.30 | Catfish_Man | kyron: indeed. Pity though |
| 05:07.47 | Catfish_Man | also I love how somehow more insults to FOSS projects seem to come from FOSS fanatics than from people who hate it :P |
| 05:08.10 | kblin | danderson: yeah, closed as INVALID as noone managed to reproduce it, but somebody claimed D2 wiped his partition table, and he was not running wine as root either |
| 05:08.12 | kyron | kblin: that's rather ironic, considering [gentoo] tends to be closer to the upstream build compared to other distros (RH has a bad history of fscking up WMs) |
| 05:08.36 | kblin | kyron: yeah, but at least we'll see consistent bug reports |
| 05:09.08 | kyron | kblin: LOL...a non-root user whiping a part...dude, ever heard of hardware failure...or UBD problems? |
| 05:09.22 | danderson | kblin: that sounds more like a disk dying at the wrong time |
| 05:09.43 | danderson | or he lied, was running as root, and ran the .exe he got in his email from Shirley to get her nude pictures :P |
| 05:10.01 | Landon | shirley he wouldn't do such a thing |
| 05:10.02 | kblin | danderson: no, even better.. he tweaked permissions to give his user write access in /dev |
| 05:10.11 | Catfish_Man | lol |
| 05:10.11 | danderson | oh, obviously... |
| 05:10.11 | kyron | kblin: which were like "KDE doesn't work"...and then 5 exchanges later you finally get the version + distro from the user...which happens to be RH which completely changed the code base and then released it the same day the CD image was released.. |
| 05:10.26 | danderson | why not just chmod 666 /dev/kmem and get it over with |
| 05:10.34 | summatusmentis | hmm... new macbooks tomorrow :) |
| 05:10.43 | kyron | kblin: you're kidding...right? |
| 05:10.50 | kblin | kyron: nope |
| 05:10.52 | Catfish_Man | summatusmentis: the lack of a physical trackpad button on the leaked pictures is... disturbing |
| 05:10.57 | kyron | in any case, that's called darwin...offer a refund...huhuhu |
| 05:11.00 | Catfish_Man | I can see the reasoning behind it, but I f'ing hate trackpad clicking |
| 05:11.12 | danderson | Catfish_Man: it comes with an iBrain iMplant |
| 05:11.17 | summatusmentis | Catfish_Man: some people are suggesting that the entire trackpad clicks down |
| 05:11.23 | kyron | Catfish_Man: get a touchscreen ;_ |
| 05:11.25 | danderson | the operation is free at most apple stores for a modest $100 fee |
| 05:11.27 | summatusmentis | which would be kinda cool :) |
| 05:11.29 | Catfish_Man | summatusmentis: oh. That'd be kinda cool actually |
| 05:11.30 | Catfish_Man | yeah |
| 05:11.41 | Catfish_Man | danderson: http://dscoder.com/telepathy.png |
| 05:11.41 | danderson | and not only does it let you control your cursor almost naturally |
| 05:12.01 | danderson | it also acts as a local relay for the Reality Distortion Field that will be beamed down from orbit 24/7 |
| 05:12.13 | kyron | Catfish_Man: LOL |
| 05:12.25 | summatusmentis | Catfish_Man: if the price point really does start at $899 like they're saying, for decent specs, I'll probably upgrade, I think I can probably get $800 or $900 for my current one |
| 05:12.29 | Catfish_Man | I had fun 'shopping that picture |
| 05:12.42 | Catfish_Man | summatusmentis: I'm holding out for SSD prices to drop further |
| 05:12.57 | Catfish_Man | the recent intel one looks *sweet* but $550 for that size is a bit outside my comfort zone |
| 05:13.19 | kyron | kblin: in any case, this is also why there is rpm2tar :P |
| 05:13.23 | summatusmentis | meh... not that excited by ssd |
| 05:13.32 | kblin | kyron: yeah |
| 05:13.43 | Catfish_Man | summatusmentis: have you looked at any articles about the new intel ones? they're a lot more interesting than most of the competition |
| 05:13.50 | kyron | now to find out which RH release is less braindammaged of them all ;) |
| 05:13.59 | Catfish_Man | (i.e. doesn't randomly lag, killer performance) |
| 05:14.16 | summatusmentis | Catfish_Man: the new intel SSDs? no |
| 05:14.33 | Catfish_Man | anandtech had a good article, one sec |
| 05:14.36 | summatusmentis | but I feel like SSds are gonna be at a premium for a while yet |
| 05:14.46 | Catfish_Man | sure, I'm willing to pay a premium |
| 05:14.49 | Catfish_Man | just not THAT much of one |
| 05:14.55 | summatusmentis | not sure I am |
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| 05:14.59 | kyron | kblin: my real quarry is that CUDA is meant for HPC and there is a clear statement that HPC (clustering) requires a tight + minimalist system...the ones proposed on the CUDA download site are all _but_ minimalist |
| 05:15.13 | summatusmentis | although, I've had a lot of issues with hard drives failing in my current macbook |
| 05:15.21 | Catfish_Man | summatusmentis: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3403 |
| 05:15.38 | summatusmentis | and, actually, if the trend continues, I'm probably due for another one in a month or two |
| 05:15.47 | Catfish_Man | um, that's not good... |
| 05:16.04 | summatusmentis | no kidding :( |
| 05:16.39 | kblin | kyron: yeah, but I got burned by one job I had at university where a cooperation project between three universities tried to set up three instances of the same test lab, and some joker decided to use gentoo for this |
| 05:17.11 | summatusmentis | Catfish_Man: I've just been assuming that Apple had a bad batch of HDs for the generation of macbooks that mine was a part of |
| 05:17.11 | kblin | kyron: even the five machines in our local lab had significant differences in the versions of installed libs |
| 05:17.20 | kblin | not even mentioning make.conf settings |
| 05:17.43 | Catfish_Man | summatusmentis: what brand? |
| 05:17.53 | kblin | kyron: I'm not saying it can't work. I'm just saying it's much easier to shoot yourself in the foot with it |
| 05:18.17 | danderson | gaaaah, frustration |
| 05:18.20 | kblin | kyron: I agree that there's good reasons to run a system like that |
| 05:18.26 | kyron | kblin: noo...nonono, don't use Gentoo for desktops if you don't have the proper discipline to actually make stage4s and manage them properly...use Ubuntu for that and let the users manage them. I'm talking Clusters with NFS images |
| 05:18.29 | danderson | I've been reading about DSLRs for an hour |
| 05:18.34 | danderson | and now I want a DSLR again :( |
| 05:18.34 | kyron | (which is another proper approach for workstations imho) |
| 05:18.38 | summatusmentis | Catfish_Man: currently, Fujitsu, I think before I had seagates |
| 05:18.42 | danderson | but I can't get one for another 2wks |
| 05:19.50 | kyron | kblin: yes, shooting in foot is indeed quite easy with Gentoo unless you centrally manage it tightly and rigourously. If one uses NFS-booted images, that problem tends to drop drastically and eases deployment |
| 05:19.59 | kblin | kyron: hm, some years back I was running redhat on that sort of a setup in numerics |
| 05:20.17 | kblin | kyron: mostly because of the ability to do kickstart installs |
| 05:20.57 | kyron | Gentoo now has a simmilar mechanism...but I still like the NFS-rooted idea.. although it does require a decent network (as in stable) |
| 05:21.18 | kblin | always hard to do with the money you get to spend at university |
| 05:22.08 | kyron | kblin: yeah, you bet, such as me rebuilding a cluster on a 5K$ budget (replacing 24 nodes)... |
| 05:22.38 | kblin | but at least back in the old RH days you could strip down those distros enough to only run the stuff you needed |
| 05:23.25 | kyron | kblin: but that is specifically what annoyed me from RH (and any other bin distro)...the stripping is annoying and, sometimes, removing X meant removing vim O_o!... |
| 05:24.03 | kblin | but with kickstart, you only had to do the logic once.. |
| 05:24.43 | kyron | ...uhm...but with gentoo you only have to perform emerge once...same difference I guess.. |
| 05:24.50 | kblin | yeah |
| 05:24.59 | kyron | bbiab...my baby is sick and waking up :( |
| 05:25.19 | antarus | I can't believe people manage clusters of machines iwth gentoo |
| 05:25.21 | antarus | I'd go nuts |
| 05:25.40 | kblin | kyron: as I said, I'm sure gentoo is nice on a well-managed systems.. I have just _never_ seen one of those |
| 05:25.54 | antarus | lets be fair |
| 05:26.03 | antarus | I've never seen a well-managed system *anywhere* |
| 05:26.09 | kblin | antarus: there's that |
| 05:26.29 | antarus | Googles system is insane(ly awesome) |
| 05:26.53 | kblin | antarus: but given the same level of mismanagement, it seems like gentoo is more likely to break |
| 05:27.18 | kblin | but I guess my biggest beef with gentoo is it's user base |
| 05:27.27 | antarus | I think you are likely to encounter QA problems in the tree more than anything else |
| 05:27.34 | antarus | because most distributions do better testing |
| 05:27.37 | antarus | although not ubuntu ;p |
| 05:27.46 | antarus | shakes his fist at ubuntu* |
| 05:28.01 | kblin | antarus: amen. currenly playing with the 8.10 beta2 |
| 05:28.12 | kblin | and whoa, how did that get to be a beta.. |
| 05:28.38 | kblin | I can freeze my laptop at will using xrandr |
| 05:29.17 | antarus | I just like the debian sendmail initscript that got pulled into ubuntu |
| 05:29.33 | antarus | if you run sendmail as a daemon and as a qrunner and you restart sendmail there is a race condition that deletes email messages |
| 05:29.42 | antarus | it was fixed in debian but not in ubuntu ;p |
| 05:29.45 | dberkholz | managing a cluster is nearly as easy as managing a single machine if your mgmt architecture doesn't suck |
| 05:29.53 | dberkholz | so i don't see your point |
| 05:30.03 | antarus | how is a data loss bug not critical enough to backport? :p |
| 05:30.26 | antarus | dberkholz: my point is most management architectures suck; I think ;) |
| 05:30.35 | dberkholz | <3 puppet |
| 05:30.41 | antarus | puppet++ |
| 05:30.41 | antarus | yes |
| 05:30.46 | antarus | rails-- |
| 05:31.42 | dberkholz | if i've got two machines in a cluster talking to each other, it's just as easy to have 100 |
| 05:31.42 | dberkholz | anyway. i've had a few too many beers tonight so i need to migrate away from irc |
| 05:31.46 | antarus | indeed |
| 05:31.52 | antarus | drunken irc = bad ;p |
| 05:31.55 | dberkholz | before i give away all my good ideas |
| 05:32.09 | kblin | dberkholz: my old job had a home-grown system using magic shell scripts, and I didn't have the time to replace that |
| 05:32.27 | kblin | and by magic shell scripts I mean just that.. |
| 05:32.41 | kblin | most of them had a line with a comment like #some magic happens here |
| 05:33.18 | dberkholz | antarus: i recently read "First, Break All the Rules" -- you might like it. |
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| 05:36.53 | antarus | haha |
| 05:38.40 | kyron | dberkholz: night |
| 05:38.51 | dberkholz | 'night |
| 05:40.15 | kyron | antarus: re managing a gentoo cluster, you were kidding right? |
| 05:41.24 | antarus | kyron: huh? |
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| 05:42.10 | kyron | `< antarus> I can't believe people manage clusters of machines iwth gentoo` |
| 05:42.37 | antarus | not kidding ;) |
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| 05:43.16 | dberkholz | hello lh |
| 05:43.22 | lh | dberkholz: greetings :) |
| 05:43.36 | dberkholz | lh: you missed out on the wonderful beer i was drinking tonight! |
| 05:43.37 | summatusmentis | hi lh |
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| 05:43.58 | kyron | slaps antarus around with a large trout |
| 05:44.00 | dberkholz | <3 oregon microbreweries |
| 05:44.09 | lh | dberkholz: terrible :( |
| 05:44.14 | lh | summatusmentis: evening :) |
| 05:44.28 | summatusmentis | it's morning here :) |
| 05:44.35 | dberkholz | i wish the new chuck would get uploaded to hulu so i could watch it. |
| 05:44.44 | dberkholz | the alternative is going to sleep (boo!) |
| 05:45.14 | kblin | waves at lh and yawns |
| 05:45.24 | kblin | I got up too early |
| 05:45.25 | lh | kblin: are you in germany? |
| 05:45.26 | kyron | antarus: emerge beowulf-head :P |
| 05:45.30 | antarus | dberkholz: me too |
| 05:45.32 | antarus | kyron: heh |
| 05:45.33 | kyron | sleeps... night all |
| 05:45.40 | kblin | lh: yes, ma'am |
| 05:45.44 | antarus | ugh |
| 05:45.46 | antarus | must get off internets |
| 05:45.49 | lh | kblin: excellent |
| 05:45.52 | lh | antarus: just submit |
| 05:45.56 | antarus | lh: thakns for t-shirt ;) |
| 05:46.01 | scorche | bounces around lh |
| 05:46.02 | lh | antarus: which one? |
| 05:46.07 | lh | scorche: hello :) |
| 05:46.17 | antarus | lh: soc 2008 ;) |
| 05:46.20 | scorche | less that 2 weeks =) |
| 05:46.31 | lh | antarus: oh you got it. rock. |
| 05:46.37 | lh | the mentor summit tshirt is so amazingly awesome. |
| 05:46.42 | kblin | yay |
| 05:47.11 | lh | omg. i love this shirt. i can't wait until you see it. |
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| 05:49.16 | dberkholz | i can't wait either. |
| 05:49.21 | dberkholz | i want it to wear to the summit |
| 05:49.36 | lh | no no no |
| 05:49.41 | thebolt | hi lh |
| 05:49.42 | lh | this is the tshirt we are making *for* the summit |
| 05:49.45 | dberkholz | i understand |
| 05:49.47 | lh | thebolt: how goes? |
| 05:49.50 | lh | makes tea |
| 05:49.54 | Constitution | I stopped checking the student mailing list for a few weeks, and didn't see the email about updating our shipping addresses until today. Does that mean there will be problems getting me my shirt? |
| 05:49.54 | dberkholz | i still want to wear the regular gsoc one to the summit |
| 05:49.57 | lh | it's too cold these days for iced tea |
| 05:49.57 | scorche | what sort of tea? |
| 05:50.01 | dberkholz | there are 2 days, after all =) |
| 05:50.04 | antarus | dberkholz: go to the summit naked and wear the shirt once you arrive ;p |
| 05:50.06 | thebolt | dying under load of homework.. but otherwise fine.. and you? |
| 05:50.28 | lh | Constitution: possibly. don't worry. we resend them all the time. it takes like four months to sort it all out with all the people who don't tell you that they haven't gotten their shirts. |
| 05:50.40 | antarus | wonders if Eric's 'you must wear pants' applies to guests as well as employees |
| 05:50.46 | Constitution | ok, thanks |
| 05:50.53 | lh | thebolt: something like that - i would have said drowning |
| 05:51.13 | lh | Constitution: np. instructions will be sent out to those who don't get shirts etc about what to do. |
| 05:51.20 | lh | life will be awesome. shirts shall be gotten. |
| 05:51.23 | lh | tis the way of the soc. |
| 05:51.55 | Constitution | cool :) |
| 05:52.13 | kblin | hehe |
| 05:52.24 | kblin | reminds me of that sandwich shop in saint paul |
| 05:52.37 | dberkholz | minnesota? |
| 05:52.50 | summatusmentis | which sandwich shop? |
| 05:52.55 | kblin | "We'd love to see you naked. (However, state law requries you to wear shoes and a shirt)" |
| 05:53.08 | danderson | antarus: I remember pajama day |
| 05:53.22 | kblin | summatusmentis: I don't recall. it was right on university ave |
| 05:53.31 | danderson | "Yes, it really is pajama day, not whatever-you-sleep-in day. Don't come to work naked." |
| 05:53.44 | kblin | something with "j" |
| 05:53.54 | summatusmentis | kblin: hmm... not Jimmy John's |
| 05:54.13 | kblin | summatusmentis: could be.. is their logo black and red? |
| 05:54.28 | summatusmentis | yeah |
| 05:54.37 | summatusmentis | they make good sandwiches |
| 05:54.37 | kblin | then I think it was |
| 05:54.53 | summatusmentis | http://jimmyjohns.com/ |
| 05:55.12 | kblin | yeah, that's the one |
| 05:55.31 | kblin | it certainly beat the food I had the 24 hours after |
| 05:55.33 | lh | scorche: peppermint |
| 05:55.42 | summatusmentis | not familiar with university ave. that well |
| 05:55.44 | antarus | jimmyjohnss was great college food |
| 05:55.45 | antarus | they delivered |
| 05:55.50 | lh | kblin: it's too cold for that in minnesota, law regardless |
| 05:56.04 | kblin | lh: it felt warmer than california |
| 05:56.12 | lh | danderson: didn't pajama day get forbidden by hr? |
| 05:56.13 | kblin | lh: at least inside |
| 05:56.14 | lh | kblin: you're kidding. |
| 05:56.18 | lh | ok, that i believe. |
| 05:56.25 | danderson | lh: hm? Not back in '06 |
| 05:56.26 | summatusmentis | lh: only in the winter is it that cold :) |
| 05:56.41 | danderson | I distinctly remember greg wearing 'jams |
| 05:56.45 | Ivanovic | moin |
| 05:56.52 | kblin | lh: and as I spent most of my time indoors, that's the only thing I can compare ;) |
| 05:56.54 | Ivanovic | ugh, why have i gotten up this early |
| 05:56.58 | Ivanovic | it feels so wrong... |
| 05:57.04 | kblin | Ivanovic: bah, I'm up for over an hour now |
| 05:57.08 | summatusmentis | antarus: I go to school in the middle of nowhere, we don't have them close enough for them to deliver |
| 05:57.12 | kblin | two hours, actually |
| 05:57.15 | lh | danderson: i think it has since been forbidden |
| 05:57.24 | danderson | baah |
| 05:57.25 | lh | summatusmentis: it was a good excuse |
| 05:57.30 | lh | kblin: fair enough |
| 05:57.33 | lh | Ivanovic: go back to bed. |
| 05:57.38 | danderson | when is HR sucks day? |
| 05:57.39 | summatusmentis | lh: :-D |
| 05:57.49 | lh | checks to see if dmitrig01 or cwgordon07 are here |
| 05:57.55 | dmitrig01 | hi |
| 05:57.55 | lh | nm. |
| 05:57.59 | Ivanovic | lh: no way, got to leave to uni in 30mins to get some work on the homepage for the exercises of one lecture done |
| 05:58.02 | lh | dmitrig01: hi there how are you |
| 05:58.05 | lh | Ivanovic: coffee |
| 05:58.06 | dmitrig01 | i am good how about you? |
| 05:58.11 | Ivanovic | bah |
| 05:58.15 | dmitrig01 | gsoc shirt arrived |
| 05:58.15 | lh | danderson: i think that is sort of every day |
| 05:58.18 | dmitrig01 | it's very awesome |
| 05:58.18 | Ivanovic | i prefer tea, black tea |
| 05:58.22 | lh | dmitrig01: very well thanks. do you like it? |
| 05:58.26 | lh | Ivanovic: to each their own |
| 05:58.28 | dmitrig01 | i love it |
| 05:58.30 | Ivanovic | shirt? |
| 05:58.33 | dmitrig01 | it fits well too |
| 05:58.35 | danderson | yah, probably |
| 05:58.52 | danderson | mkay, food time. I also need to pick up souvenirs from the skydiving place |
| 05:59.10 | kblin | why would hr forbid pajama day? |
| 05:59.56 | lh | dmitrig01: yay |
| 05:59.59 | lh | dmitrig01: yay 2 |
| 06:00.31 | lh | kblin: a few folks (some of whom work in HR i might add) did not really understand that decorum is also required during pajama day |
| 06:00.51 | danderson | kblin: off the top of my head: considered harrassment (or could be by litigation country), freaks out people going through interviews, nobody in HR has cool pajamas, HR has no sense of humor, HR had to interact with real people and so were jealous of not being able to join in |
| 06:00.51 | lh | as in do not wear your victoria's secret little pink fuzzy low cut yadda yadda to work |
| 06:00.59 | lh | danderson: ^^ |
| 06:01.14 | danderson | or people are idiots |
| 06:01.15 | Catfish_Man | I'm sure danderson would look quite fetching in that |
| 06:01.16 | danderson | that also works |
| 06:01.35 | lh | danderson: that is also true. |
| 06:01.43 | kblin | sighs |
| 06:01.46 | kblin | oh well |
| 06:01.52 | lh | Catfish_Man: plausible. i wouldn't speculate on such at thing. i also think black is more his color. |
| 06:01.56 | lh | kblin: yes? |
| 06:02.16 | kblin | I mean, I can sympathize, I don't have real pajamas either |
| 06:03.05 | kblin | but it's still sad |
| 06:03.27 | danderson | I don't wear pajamas, but if I did they'd probably be something heavy metal |
| 06:03.32 | danderson | which might also scare HR into banning me |
| 06:03.52 | kblin | danderson wears lead pajamas? |
| 06:04.03 | Landon | woot |
| 06:04.04 | Landon | sleep time |
| 06:04.58 | kblin | then again, I know that sleeping in chain mail isn't as bad as I thought... ;) |
| 06:06.09 | Landon | needs to make some chainmail someday |
| 06:06.14 | Landon | found the greatest gide for doing it too |
| 06:06.36 | lh | kblin: i do they are awesome. they are red and have reindeer on them. there are also the super man pjs. |
| 06:06.39 | lh | yay pjs. |
| 06:06.44 | Landon | www.realbeer.com/jjpalmer/HowtoChain.html |
| 06:06.45 | lh | they are just one of the best things in life. |
| 06:07.05 | lh | kblin: when did you sleep in chain mail? |
| 06:07.42 | lh | where would one find lead pajamas? |
| 06:07.55 | scorche | lubs his robe |
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| 06:08.06 | lh | lubs? |
| 06:08.12 | lh | oh |
| 06:08.13 | lh | duh. |
| 06:08.16 | scorche | =) |
| 06:08.20 | kblin | lh: had a nap during a larp, and knew that things would start to get hairy in the afternoon |
| 06:08.30 | Ivanovic | getting me a ccup of tea now and then off to uni to get some work done, cu |
| 06:08.31 | lh | wanders over and has more tea |
| 06:08.34 | lh | kblin: that's so awesome. |
| 06:08.45 | lh | Ivanovic: you can totally have a cup of tea |
| 06:08.47 | scorche | the robe is the softest thing *ever* |
| 06:08.52 | kblin | so sleeping with the armor already on allowed me to be up and battle ready in under 30s |
| 06:09.58 | kblin | Landon: 4-in-1.. depends what you want to use the chain mail for |
| 06:10.08 | kblin | and be prepared to spend a lot of time on this |
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| 06:30.49 | dberkholz | night lh |
| 06:30.55 | dberkholz | bedwardly |
| 06:33.47 | kendrick | it's not domain it's... |
| 06:33.49 | kendrick | wild palms? |
| 06:35.03 | kendrick | yes |
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| 06:49.32 | kendrick | is breakfast only on sunday? |
| 06:49.46 | kendrick | and i assume shuttles are from BOTH hotels, right? |
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| 06:52.05 | kblin | kendrick: breakfast on saturday is at google |
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| 06:53.13 | kendrick | kblin: oh duh |
| 06:53.16 | kendrick | it's right in front of me :) |
| 06:53.17 | kendrick | thx |
| 06:54.15 | kblin | np |
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| 06:55.26 | kendrick | is: excited |
| 06:55.30 | kendrick | cannot wait, all of a sudden |
| 06:55.35 | kendrick | hell, maybe i'll think about doing a session |
| 06:55.54 | kendrick | i also get to meet one of my tux paint volunteers |
| 06:56.01 | kendrick | and she gets to come to the US for the first time, ever |
| 06:56.16 | kendrick | i'm thinking of kidnapping her so she can sight-see in SF a little before dinner |
| 06:56.20 | kendrick | depending on when her plane gets in :^( |
| 06:57.55 | kblin | :) |
| 06:58.04 | kendrick | hrm, i guess checking out of the hotel room PRIOR to leaving for googleplex all day, is a good idea |
| 06:58.13 | kendrick | since checkout's at noon. and shuttles leave for the 'plex at 10 |
| 06:58.29 | kblin | shrugs |
| 06:58.37 | kendrick | i live locally, so i'm only rooming two nights |
| 06:58.50 | kblin | I'm going to stay for the beginning of the Gittogether as well |
| 06:58.51 | kendrick | i will have wife in tow |
| 06:58.58 | kendrick | when's that? |
| 06:59.02 | kendrick | and where're you coming from? |
| 06:59.11 | kblin | right after the mentor summit, mon-wed |
| 06:59.20 | kblin | I just need to get back at wednesday |
| 06:59.37 | kblin | germany, so if I leave CA around noon, I get home early morning the following day |
| 06:59.43 | kendrick | heheh |
| 07:00.41 | kendrick | hrm |
| 07:00.49 | kendrick | "working lunch (get food...)" |
| 07:00.58 | kendrick | oh. from the google restaurant, no doubt |
| 07:01.13 | Catfish_Man | *one of the |
| 07:01.14 | Catfish_Man | ;) |
| 07:01.18 | kendrick | good LORD |
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| 07:01.26 | kendrick | does the googleplex have tenticals yet? |
| 07:01.48 | Catfish_Man | probably not in the publicly accessible areas |
| 07:01.57 | kendrick | hhahahah |
| 07:02.16 | kendrick | mithro: ? |
| 07:02.22 | kendrick | eyes "FOSS Games" |
| 07:03.00 | kendrick | hahah |
| 07:03.01 | kendrick | "Assholes -- do we need them?" |
| 07:03.29 | kendrick | yawns |
| 07:03.56 | kblin | kendrick: they have a number of cantinas.. all I tried so far are good |
| 07:04.11 | kendrick | i've eaten lunch there... twice |
| 07:04.16 | kendrick | not in a long while, though |
| 07:04.20 | kendrick | like... 2005? |
| 07:04.22 | kendrick | jeeez |
| 07:04.28 | kendrick | maybe 2006 |
| 07:04.38 | kblin | I was there for a couple of days last year.. cifs workshop |
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| 07:04.59 | kblin | long enough to know all the pubs lh suggested for friday evening |
| 07:05.17 | kendrick | hrm. nothing said about when shuttles head back to hotel on sunday |
| 07:05.21 | kendrick | i'll assume soon after 6:30pm |
| 07:05.38 | kblin | probably |
| 07:05.41 | kendrick | heh, i should bring my pair of Atari Lynxes for sat night |
| 07:08.26 | kendrick | ok. nite nite folks |
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| 10:51.48 | kblin | hmm, I need food |
| 10:51.56 | kblin | goes to forage in the kitchen |
| 10:57.01 | thebolt | hm, i need food as well.. and my mates are either busy or sick so i have to go and eat out myself, which is very boring |
| 10:57.28 | thebolt | hm, i better go before the closeby places close.. |
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| 12:40.56 | Landon | kblin: chainmail armor for airsoft, yarr! |
| 12:40.57 | Landon | :p |
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| 12:50.45 | kyron | kblin : interesting note, Nvidia makes it _really_ easy to re-use their packages for any distro :) (re CUDA packaging and all) |
| 12:51.20 | Landon | kblin: what kind of larping do you do? |
| 12:52.09 | Landon | lets all spam him at once :p |
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| 15:28.41 | lh | Ivanovic: ping |
| 15:28.52 | summatusmentis | hi lh |
| 15:29.06 | lh | summatusmentis: morning :) |
| 15:29.22 | summatusmentis | I hate school |
| 15:29.42 | lh | summatusmentis: it can't be that bad. besides, you can just take a day off and go to the library. i did. |
| 15:30.09 | summatusmentis | lh: that's what I'm doing today |
| 15:30.25 | lh | summatusmentis: nicely done. |
| 15:30.29 | summatusmentis | I always feel bad about not going to class thogh |
| 15:30.31 | summatusmentis | though* |
| 15:30.38 | lh | summatusmentis: it'll be fine. go enjoy. |
| 15:31.10 | summatusmentis | haha, you know how much I enjoy homework |
| 15:32.31 | lh | summatusmentis: i was always much happier doing homework surrounded by books. in your profession i can see how that would be less soothing. |
| 15:33.51 | summatusmentis | homework stresses me out, but I've honestly never tried doing it in the library |
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| 15:36.01 | lh | summatusmentis: it's nice in there |
| 15:36.18 | summatusmentis | I've always considered it stifling :) |
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| 15:37.21 | mlankhorst | I can't work either way :/ |
| 15:37.29 | summatusmentis | hi lewing, _Geo_, kstar|away |
| 15:37.43 | summatusmentis | mlankhorst: yeah, I think that's the issue I'm having |
| 15:40.36 | _Geo_ | o< |
| 15:41.29 | lh | summatusmentis: you need to go spend some quality time in the main stacks |
| 15:42.06 | summatusmentis | lh: in all of my spare time, I'll do that |
| 15:43.36 | SanMehat | morning |
| 15:43.48 | lh | SanMehat: all hail san. break? |
| 15:44.43 | r0bby | dances |
| 15:44.49 | r0bby | gives lh cake |
| 15:44.54 | r0bby | happy |
| 15:44.56 | lh | good morning r0bby |
| 15:45.01 | r0bby | :DDDDDDDDDD |
| 15:45.02 | lh | r0bby: saw the boy? |
| 15:45.12 | r0bby | 1 month. |
| 15:45.12 | SanMehat | lh: i'm wfh today.. Linsey was super sick yesterday so i'm at home to nurture. |
| 15:45.53 | lh | SanMehat: oh sucks. please give her my best. |
| 15:46.00 | lh | sends love email to the goddess linsey |
| 15:46.12 | r0bby | lh: meh. Sometimes being a homo sucks; You can bring a gf/bf along to a family thing if hetero :< |
| 15:46.18 | r0bby | sighs |
| 15:46.28 | lh | r0bby: bring him anyway. :) |
| 15:46.37 | lh | will discuss further after breakfast |
| 15:46.38 | r0bby | it was his fam |
| 15:46.42 | lh | there are ways to do this without a mess |
| 15:46.59 | r0bby | and he JUST told them didn't wanan overwhelm them |
| 15:47.01 | summatusmentis | oh, lh, btw your Aspiration Tech link is broken on your blog. Links to http://http//www.aspirationtech.org/ |
| 15:47.03 | r0bby | I understand |
| 15:47.04 | r0bby | L( |
| 15:47.12 | r0bby | fail |
| 15:47.14 | lh | summatusmentis: noticed, thanks, will fix |
| 15:47.15 | r0bby | hides |
| 15:47.19 | lh | bbialb |
| 15:47.30 | r0bby | also blogger in draft completely screws up posts |
| 15:47.40 | summatusmentis | uses wordpress |
| 15:47.40 | r0bby | i stopped using it |
| 15:47.47 | r0bby | I <3 blogger |
| 15:47.59 | r0bby | wordpress is known to have vunerabilities |
| 15:48.03 | r0bby | whereas blogger is perfect |
| 15:48.05 | summatusmentis | the interface seemed slow on blogger |
| 15:48.23 | SanMehat | r0bby: take him anyways |
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| 15:48.37 | SanMehat | (not that I know what you're talking about) :) |
| 15:48.37 | r0bby | SanMehat: this was sunday |
| 15:48.40 | r0bby | :P |
| 15:48.41 | SanMehat | damn. |
| 15:48.48 | r0bby | and he had a family thing |
| 15:48.50 | r0bby | not me. |
| 15:48.59 | r0bby | and If I had to deal w/ my dad's side of the fam |
| 15:49.05 | r0bby | I would _NOT_ bring him |
| 15:49.18 | SanMehat | ahh |
| 15:49.20 | SanMehat | :\ |
| 15:49.29 | r0bby | my dad's side is shall i say...they're morons. |
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| 15:50.23 | summatusmentis | I have some aunts and uncles on my dad's side of the family that are... well, it wouldn't be a happy environment if someone were to come out |
| 15:50.40 | r0bby | I have parts of my dad's side that's amazing |
| 15:50.46 | r0bby | Just the people on Long Island. |
| 15:50.52 | r0bby | (I'm in NY) |
| 15:51.15 | r0bby | I have fam in Brooklyn that's just amazing |
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| 15:51.55 | r0bby | I have a great aunt that's in her 70s, but she's with the times and bends :) |
| 15:52.04 | summatusmentis | haha |
| 15:54.08 | r0bby | I plan on bringing him to meet her at some pt |
| 15:54.13 | r0bby | when i can get my cousin |
| 15:54.27 | sid0 | has anyone bought/played world of goo yet? |
| 15:55.04 | r0bby | hrm? |
| 15:56.26 | mithro_ | lh: ping? |
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| 15:57.54 | summatusmentis | mithro: she just left, she'll be back soonish |
| 15:58.20 | r0bby | dances |
| 15:58.57 | summatusmentis | new apple event starts in an hour :) |
| 16:01.20 | r0bby | gah |
| 16:01.51 | mlankhorst | ponders whether to get a 30 inch monitor or not |
| 16:03.08 | Jeff_S | mlankhorst: get two! |
| 16:07.22 | mlankhorst | It won't fit sadly :( |
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| 16:24.31 | lh | r0bby: ping |
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| 16:30.03 | AJuOnLiNE|zZz | is dead |
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| 16:30.44 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | what do you do when you feel its just gonna burst! |
| 16:30.47 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | i mean your head :-/ |
| 16:31.07 | summatusmentis | uh huh... I'm sure that's what you meant... |
| 16:31.39 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | i tried getting some fresh air.. |
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| 16:31.44 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | i think i should try the shower now |
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| 16:52.11 | kblin | Landon: different.. next I'll do is a hitchhiker larp :) |
| 16:52.32 | Landon | mostly does amateurish milsimming |
| 16:52.51 | Landon | what you said earlier about sleeping with chain mail reminded me of a podcast about Berget V |
| 16:53.00 | Landon | 4 day event in sweden, you slept with goggles on |
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| 16:58.16 | kblin | well, the folks I usually larp with these days come from a theatre background mostly, so less fighting and more role-playing |
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| 17:18.35 | Landon | kblin: surely there is fighting once in a while though, how is that resolved? |
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| 18:05.02 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | doesnt feel like doing anything |
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| 18:15.38 | kblin | Landon: one hit and you're down.. I don't know about the armor rules |
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| 18:36.58 | Ivanovic | lh: pong |
| 18:37.05 | Ivanovic | (home at last) |
| 18:38.00 | Ivanovic | lh: and good to see that the money will go out soon |
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| 18:38.08 | Ivanovic | so maybe i will have it before the summit |
| 18:38.20 | Ivanovic | (no idea how long the international wire transfer will take...) |
| 18:38.30 | Ivanovic | rather afk now, having lunch |
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| 18:44.39 | Landon | kblin: ah cool, same here regardless of 'armor' ) |
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| 18:55.19 | lh | Ivanovic: mordante et al should also be cool |
| 18:57.16 | mordante | lh ? |
| 18:57.59 | lh | mordante: your payment should be fine |
| 18:58.19 | mordante | ok thanks :) |
| 18:58.31 | mlankhorst | Heh, I just realized I understand the local accent here badly. |
| 18:58.32 | lh | mordante: no problem. |
| 18:58.38 | lh | mlankhorst: in the .n? |
| 18:58.40 | lh | ahem |
| 18:58.42 | lh | .nl? |
| 18:58.45 | mlankhorst | Gronings :) |
| 18:58.56 | mlankhorst | Yeah in .nl |
| 18:59.16 | mlankhorst | It's actually closer to german then to dutch though |
| 19:00.37 | lh | i see |
| 19:02.57 | mlankhorst | Was some basic Gronings story on tv and I couldn't even follow it :( |
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| 19:27.57 | Landon | sweet deal, I get to teach 2 grad students the fine art of RTFM |
| 19:29.50 | summatusmentis | so... I need to find someone who wants to buy me a new computer :) |
| 19:30.52 | Landon | summatusmentis: splash out for a VPS and an eeepc |
| 19:31.37 | summatusmentis | Landon: splash out? |
| 19:31.52 | summatusmentis | also, I want the new MB :) |
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| 20:35.13 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | goes to sleep |
| 20:35.21 | summatusmentis | sleep well ajay |
| 20:35.32 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | thanks summatusmentis |
| 20:35.43 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | i hope i feel good after waking up :-/ |
| 20:35.52 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | and dont miss class tomorrow |
| 20:35.59 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | eeks today. [ 2 am] |
| 20:36.21 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | night lh :) tc |
| 20:41.31 | Dragonking | Hi, I'm supposed to give a talk about OS, and I would like to also say a bit about GSoC and GHOP, and now i wonder if you know if there will be another GHOP in the future? |
| 20:42.50 | Catfish_Man | dragonking: iirc it was considered quite successful, so it seems likely |
| 20:43.13 | Catfish_Man | but I don't know that there are any statements to that effect from google |
| 20:44.22 | scorche|sh | Dragonking: it is quite likely, but Google has a policy of not announcing these sorts of things before-hand |
| 20:44.32 | summatusmentis | nothing official that I've heard, but some of lh's comments have pointed to another one |
| 20:44.50 | lh | what is lh saying? |
| 20:44.52 | Dragonking | Ok, thanks all good to know, thank you. :) |
| 20:45.08 | summatusmentis | lh is mentioned potential future GHOPs |
| 20:45.39 | lh | Dragonking: we do not preannounce products or programs. that being said, ghop in the future is gated by melange being ready. |
| 20:46.13 | Dragonking | Ok. :) |
| 20:46.15 | summatusmentis | s/is mentioned/has mentioend/ |
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| 20:52.13 | mlankhorst | koe: Use koetje :) |
| 20:53.38 | element | mlankhorst: got a second to chat? PM? |
| 20:54.04 | mlankhorst | sure |
| 20:54.07 | element | thanks |
| 20:59.04 | mlankhorst | lh: Are you lh? |
| 20:59.58 | lh | mlankhorst: last i checked, yes. |
| 21:00.00 | lh | looks |
| 21:00.07 | lh | no wait, i am actually bruce van noken |
| 21:00.09 | lh | who are you? |
| 21:00.18 | element | haha |
| 21:00.25 | element | lh: do you have a moment to speak in PM? |
| 21:00.39 | lh | element: gladly, go ahead |
| 21:00.45 | element | great, thanks! |
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| 21:21.35 | gcorriga | hi |
| 21:22.03 | gcorriga | anyone going to the mentor summit and travelling from Europe? |
| 21:22.46 | James--Crook | gcorriga: yes, I am. (from Dublin) |
| 21:23.00 | gcorriga | James--Crook: did you apply for an ESTA? |
| 21:23.06 | James--Crook | Yes I did. |
| 21:23.33 | James--Crook | At least I think that was the abbreviation... |
| 21:23.50 | James--Crook | It's the new (non obligatory) right to travel thing? |
| 21:24.07 | gcorriga | yes, it's not mandatory (yet) |
| 21:24.25 | James--Crook | Right. And it came back instantly with OK. |
| 21:24.52 | James--Crook | Are you looking at the website and wondering about it? |
| 21:25.35 | James--Crook | It doesn't cost anything, and I didn't see any drawback. |
| 21:25.35 | gcorriga | James--Crook: exactly |
| 21:26.22 | James--Crook | Plus my passport is not one of the really recent recent ones with a chip in it. It is machine readable though, I checked with the embassy. |
| 21:26.45 | gcorriga | I renewed mine last month, but completely forgot about this ESTA thing. |
| 21:26.46 | James--Crook | It has the line with '>>>>' 's in it. |
| 21:29.29 | gcorriga | coming from a Shengen treaty country, I still can't grasp the concept of a passport ;) |
| 21:30.00 | kblin | hehe |
| 21:30.32 | kblin | I didn't do this electronic thing last month |
| 21:30.54 | kblin | and they'll still take photo and fingerprints if your passport isn't chipped with them |
| 21:31.17 | kblin | so I don't see how this'll change anything during immigration |
| 21:31.45 | kblin | it doesn't replace the I 94-W (the green thing), does it? |
| 21:31.54 | gcorriga | kblin: nay |
| 21:32.10 | gcorriga | kblin: apparently, it's an authorization to board a plane to the US. |
| 21:32.56 | kblin | I see.. |
| 21:33.48 | gcorriga | Is being proud of being Italian considered a criminal or immoral activity in the US? |
| 21:33.54 | kblin | so if you're a terrorist, you get to check if you're on the watch list before you're stuck in US immigration where you can be arrested. nifty |
| 21:34.37 | kblin | gcorriga: only if you arrive flying alitalia and you still have your luggage |
| 21:35.08 | gcorriga | kblin: nah, I fly Virgin Atlantic and I have only hand luggage |
| 21:35.56 | kblin | gcorriga: ah, perfect candidate for the SSSS ticket then.. :) |
| 21:36.05 | gcorriga | SSSS? |
| 21:36.48 | kblin | the super special striptease service tickets |
| 21:37.52 | kblin | Secondary Security Selection Screening |
| 21:38.02 | gcorriga | heh. I surely won't go for the joke I did a few months ago, then |
| 21:38.13 | gcorriga | they asked me "are you carrying anything sharp, sir?" |
| 21:38.21 | gcorriga | I replied "only my wits" |
| 21:38.25 | kblin | hehe |
| 21:38.34 | kblin | just don't do it on the way back |
| 21:38.50 | kblin | anyway, I need to get up early tomorrow, so off to bed for me |
| 21:39.00 | gcorriga | me too |
| 21:39.17 | gcorriga | 'night |
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| 22:27.41 | JeffM | thanks the googles kindly for his nice new shirt :) |
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| 22:35.10 | lh | JeffM: glad you like it. wait til you see the summit shirt. |
| 22:35.11 | lh | :) |
| 22:35.21 | JeffM | I look forward to it |
| 22:35.32 | JeffM | even has a special bzflag shirt to wear to the summit |
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| 22:35.48 | JeffM | I Just hope I don't loose my bottle opener again this year |
| 22:36.13 | lh | JeffM: hrm. |
| 22:36.18 | lh | emails jeanine - more bottle openers |
| 22:36.45 | dberkholz | an soc bottle opener would be cool. |
| 22:36.49 | JeffM | heh |
| 22:36.53 | dberkholz | my college one is starting to get pretty old |
| 22:37.25 | i386 | hello lh! |
| 22:37.25 | JeffM | mine was from a sony booth at a job fair from the 2000 GDC, not exactly sentemental |
| 22:37.34 | lh | dberkholz: i hesitate to go with an alcohol related gift for soc |
| 22:37.40 | lh | i386: all hail james dumay |
| 22:37.44 | dberkholz | lh: one could use it for sasparilla |
| 22:38.06 | i386 | lh: all hail Leslie Hawthorn, Lady of the California |
| 22:38.07 | lh | dberkholz: sure. and one can use C4 to open bottles too. ahem. |
| 22:38.15 | lh | i386: you are so good for my ego, you know that right? |
| 22:38.16 | lh | :) |
| 22:38.23 | i386 | lh: I know :) |
| 22:38.33 | lh | i386: it's also Lady of the Federal Republic of Northern California, for the record |
| 22:38.33 | lh | :) |
| 22:38.46 | dberkholz | i guess C4 is about as hard to get a hold of as sasparilla |
| 22:38.59 | i386 | lh: I was going to say "Empress" but then I remembered Norton - and thats not a good look |
| 22:40.15 | lh | i386: true. :) |
| 22:40.22 | lh | dberkholz: these days, i think c4 is easier to find |
| 22:42.09 | i386 | lh: Steve released new stuff - drool worthy |
| 22:43.34 | JeffM | wonder if my new gerber will open bottles |
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| 22:45.52 | lh | JeffM: your request for additional bottle openers has been accepted and will be taken care of. |
| 22:46.00 | JeffM | heh |
| 22:46.06 | lh | i386: i am over steev. i am now on andy. andy meets my needs. steev is lacking. |
| 22:46.08 | lh | for example |
| 22:46.18 | lh | do not make me dismiss my low battery warning before i can end a call. |
| 22:46.21 | JeffM | we are all thankfull lh :) |
| 22:46.21 | lh | broken! |
| 22:46.27 | lh | JeffM: all good. :) |
| 22:46.35 | lh | i even got them to stock the bar for us. :) |
| 22:46.40 | JeffM | oooo |
| 22:46.48 | lh | yep. |
| 22:46.51 | i386 | lh: modal dialogs are the bain of my existence |
| 22:46.52 | JeffM | now I don't have an excuse to buy a new one :/ |
| 22:46.57 | lh | so community project for those who feel like it |
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| 22:47.03 | lh | JeffM: i can tell her not to stock them |
| 22:47.08 | JeffM | heh |
| 22:47.14 | lh | i386: how did your release go yesterday? all well? |
| 22:47.24 | lh | so since the weather might suck(tm) |
| 22:47.35 | JeffM | I think I can justify buying this cus it has more then just a bottle opener, http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/a905/ |
| 22:47.39 | lh | i think we might have roaming movie night |
| 22:47.42 | lh | so i have movies |
| 22:47.51 | lh | but people should go to fry's and buy connector cables |
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| 22:47.58 | lh | i suppose i ought to just put this on the wiki |
| 22:48.04 | lh | goes to do this |
| 22:48.50 | i386 | lh: release went fine :) |
| 22:49.05 | i386 | Although at the end of it I wish I had the super power to shoot fire from my eyes |
| 22:49.23 | summatusmentis | i386: what was released? |
| 22:49.34 | i386 | summatusmentis: I work for Atlassian |
| 22:49.49 | i386 | so we released a new Confluence (wiki) and Crowd (our SSO product) |
| 22:50.12 | i386 | not open source but we have plenty of Apache committers on staff |
| 22:50.20 | summatusmentis | I see, cool |
| 22:50.25 | i386 | and 20% time :) |
| 22:51.18 | CompBrain | i386: You work @ atlassian? |
| 22:51.23 | i386 | CompBrain: yep |
| 22:51.31 | CompBrain | nifty. |
| 22:51.43 | lh | i386: you can have my super powers |
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| 22:51.49 | juanma | hi all |
| 22:51.56 | lh | CompBrain: an he is also totally brilliant |
| 22:52.01 | lh | juanma: greetings |
| 22:52.06 | i386 | lh: Ill only need to borrow them for a short amount of time |
| 22:52.10 | CompBrain | lh: hey, long time no talk |
| 22:52.18 | i386 | lh: talk about doing wonders for ones ego! |
| 22:52.28 | i386 | blushes |
| 22:53.16 | juanma | I have one question about payment but see no information about that on the faq, I paid the flight cost for one mentor and me that will be attending the mentor summit |
| 22:53.31 | juanma | do we have to ask for paypment in only one purchase order? |
| 22:53.57 | lh | CompBrain: i have been hiding in plain sight |
| 22:54.02 | lh | juanma: depends on what we are paying you for |
| 22:54.10 | lh | i386: but it's totally true |
| 22:54.29 | i386 | blushes |
| 22:54.46 | juanma | lh, google is paying the flight for both mentors from spain, we only have mentors in europe |
| 22:55.01 | juanma | I mailed you before buying just in case |
| 22:55.48 | juanma | and I think that the total cost of the two flights is less than 1500$ |
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| 23:00.24 | lh | juanma: we can do one PO |
| 23:00.27 | lh | did you do vendor setup |
| 23:00.31 | lh | correction |
| 23:00.38 | i386 | so any SoC people working much with Apache? |
| 23:00.39 | lh | we can do one PO provided we are only sending monies to one person |
| 23:00.50 | lh | i386: yes a lot. dont know if they are hiding out in here tho |
| 23:01.21 | i386 | oh cool :) |
| 23:01.29 | i386 | Crap |
| 23:01.40 | juanma | lh I didn't do anything about the payment yet |
| 23:01.45 | i386 | I forgot I needed todo something |
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| 23:09.16 | juanma | thank you for everything, good night |
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| 23:25.39 | *** topic/#gsoc by lh -> Make Summer of Code Better, Contribute to Melange: http://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/GettingStarted - Complete guide to the mentor summit at http://gsoc-mentors-2008.thousandparsec.net/wiki/Pre-Summit_Checklist - This channel is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc - Read the checklist, it has changed! |
| 23:28.40 | araujo | back and drops flowers around lh |
| 23:28.52 | lh | araujo: you are so awesome. thank you. :) |
| 23:29.06 | araujo | :-) |
| 23:29.21 | araujo | lh, Hola amiga, como esta usted? |
| 23:30.01 | lh | araujo: muy bien, gracias. esta noche yo voy a una fiesta para una universidad en costa rica que llame "earth university" |
| 23:30.08 | lh | yo soy allegre |
| 23:30.08 | lh | :) |
| 23:30.44 | thebolt | hi lh |
| 23:30.48 | thebolt | and everyone else |
| 23:32.45 | lh | thebolt: greetings |
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| 23:32.51 | lh | araujo: was that correct espanol? |
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| 23:36.16 | lh | you know, it has been far too long since the catering party was here |
| 23:36.30 | araujo | lh, wowow! |
| 23:36.32 | araujo | lh, yeah! |
| 23:36.44 | araujo | lh, es muy buen español :-) |
| 23:36.53 | lh | serves cookies, coffee, iced tea, cucumber sandwiches for Catfish_Man, cheese plate for scorche and a modest amount of free beer, also candy for mlankhorst |
| 23:37.02 | lh | araujo: lovely. :) |
| 23:37.30 | lh | hands SanMehat a martini and some chicken soup for linsey |
| 23:37.35 | Catfish_Man | munches happily |
| 23:37.35 | araujo | wondrs if lh is also arranging the colony |
| 23:37.37 | Catfish_Man | hello lh :) |
| 23:37.40 | araujo | wonders* |
| 23:37.43 | lh | araujo: sort of. :) |
| 23:37.47 | araujo | :-D |
| 23:37.49 | lh | Catfish_Man: hello dear, how are you. |
| 23:37.53 | lh | araujo: foundations thereof |
| 23:37.57 | Catfish_Man | feeling much better than I was |
| 23:38.06 | Catfish_Man | and accomplishing useful things |
| 23:38.06 | Catfish_Man | so, well :) |
| 23:38.07 | araujo | lh, awesome!!! |
| 23:38.07 | araujo | lh, what kind? |
| 23:38.07 | Catfish_Man | yourself? |
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| 23:41.08 | lh | araujo: due diligence. that's all for now. :) |
| 23:42.15 | araujo | oh ok :-) |
| 23:42.55 | lh | araujo: i need approximately 2M USD for 2 years of opex for said colony. i suspect i could get vc funding for a social experiment like this, but um no. |
| 23:43.35 | araujo | wow .. mm.. yeah ... that would make it |
| 23:43.45 | lh | need to buy land |
| 23:43.54 | lh | need to buy buildings (possibly) |
| 23:43.59 | araujo | lh, you tell me, and I start coding more or .. selling lemonade |
| 23:44.00 | i386 | wow |
| 23:44.01 | lh | need to stock the bar |
| 23:44.05 | i386 | yet more releases this week |
| 23:44.17 | lh | araujo: bide your time for now dear |
| 23:44.28 | lh | i386: are you and james coming to live in the costa rican hacker colony? |
| 23:44.30 | scorche|sh | !cheese |
| 23:44.30 | socinfo | "cheese" is (#1) don't forget to serve cheese at the mentor summit, or (#2) really really nice cheese. lots of different kinds. with apples, fuji, also granny smith. more fuji. cranberries, dried. walnuts - roasted. crackers also. perhaps some baguette slices, or (#3) a slice of buffalo mozarella and a slice of tomato, topped with some basil and olive oil for surriel |
| 23:44.51 | lh | scorche|sh: i will never forget your cheese. |
| 23:44.57 | i386 | lh: Only if I get to grow my own organic vegetables and hemp |
| 23:44.59 | araujo | lh, remember that you can count me in! |
| 23:45.03 | araujo | :-) |
| 23:45.06 | lh | Catfish_Man is not coming though so he doesn't need cucumber sandwiches |
| 23:45.07 | scorche|sh | lh: =) |
| 23:45.10 | lh | araujo: i never forgot it. |
| 23:45.13 | lh | i386: that |
| 23:45.14 | i386 | lol |
| 23:45.26 | i386 | but seriously, will there be fibre internet? |
| 23:45.28 | lh | i386: that's sort of the plan my dear. that and a big fat pipe. bandwidth ++ |
| 23:45.35 | lh | i386: full duplex oc-48 pipe |
| 23:45.41 | i386 | lh: hot |
| 23:45.46 | lh | takes care of the kids |
| 23:45.56 | lh | i386: isn't it? and i am totally going to make the drinks. |
| 23:45.59 | lh | keeps me from drinking. |
| 23:46.03 | i386 | Hook it to my veins ! |
| 23:46.08 | lh | i386: totally. |
| 23:46.31 | lh | ~logs |
| 23:46.32 | ibot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 23:47.00 | lh | we keep losing spearce. i wonder what they are doing to him. |
| 23:47.07 | lh | considers investigating |
| 23:47.10 | thebolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.38 | lh | anyone know why we are missing logs for some days? |
| 23:49.48 | i386 | I watched pirates of silicone valley yesterday |
| 23:49.57 | i386 | silicon blah |
| 23:50.41 | dberkholz | silicone is the porn version |
| 23:50.42 | pjenvey_ | that would be the porn spoof |
| 23:50.43 | lh | i386: dude have you seen code rush |
| 23:50.44 | pjenvey_ | heh =] |
| 23:50.58 | lh | dberkholz: and unpleasant. |
| 23:50.59 | Catfish_Man | hooray my shirt just showed up :) |
| 23:51.00 | i386 | lh: no! |
| 23:51.01 | Catfish_Man | <3 everyone |
| 23:51.02 | lh | Catfish_Man: awesome |
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| 23:51.12 | i386 | lh: link pls |
| 23:51.13 | lh | i386: dude, hillarious |
| 23:51.17 | lh | one sec will find |
| 23:51.39 | i386 | have you seen "Computer Boy"? |
| 23:51.48 | i386 | its a Australian rip off of the matrix |
| 23:52.11 | lh | i386: no. i am still recovering from our last viewing of matrix content in sydney/ |
| 23:52.14 | i386 | Morpheus is played by a big white New Zealand guy |
| 23:52.22 | lh | i386: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499004/ |
| 23:52.26 | i386 | it cannot get any better |
| 23:52.30 | lh | i386: that is not right on so many levels |
| 23:53.44 | i386 | http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=M_oFXd_9zWs |
| 23:55.03 | i386 | lh: I need code rush now |
| 23:56.17 | lh | i386: i think beng has a copy. will ask him if i can burn it for you. he's in it actually. |
| 23:56.32 | lh | i am watching this with the sound off and i can tell its a rip off |
| 23:57.39 | i386 | lh: it gets funnier |
| 23:57.49 | i386 | Cypher sells them out for Macdonals |
| 23:57.58 | i386 | mcdonalds rather |
| 23:58.12 | i386 | and the agents are using the slides in the playground |
| 23:58.16 | lh | oh that is so awesome. |
| 23:58.33 | i386 | Ill have to get a copy sent to you |
| 23:58.38 | i386 | its a bit lame |
| 23:58.44 | i386 | but there are some excellent parts |
| 23:58.44 | lh | we tradez |
