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| 00:44.40 | Catfish_Man | g'day lh :) |
| 00:47.31 | thebolt | hi lh |
| 00:53.30 | lh | thebolt: hello dear |
| 00:53.32 | lh | Catfish_Man: hello dear |
| 00:54.22 | Landon | doh, just got locked out of my genetservice account |
| 00:54.35 | Landon | waits until tomorrow to change his address |
| 00:55.14 | Landon | on that note |
| 00:55.15 | Landon | morning world |
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| 01:07.33 | Landon | hm |
| 01:07.38 | Landon | to watch Snakes on a Plane or to not |
| 01:14.06 | tcoppi | have you seen it already? |
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| 01:15.37 | Landon | tcoppi: unfortunately yes |
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| 01:15.50 | tcoppi | i doubt its worth watching a second time then |
| 01:18.30 | *** topic/#gsoc by lh -> Make Summer of Code Better, Contribute to Melange: http://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/GettingStarted - Complete guide to the mentor summit at http://gsoc-mentors-2008.thousandparsec.net/wiki/Pre-Summit_Checklist - This channel is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 01:18.39 | lh | scorche|sh: ping |
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| 01:25.27 | lh | Landon: watch equilibrium instead |
| 01:25.31 | lh | brb |
| 01:26.48 | Landon | lh: don't have that recorded :( |
| 01:29.39 | Catfish_Man | this is amazing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru4b6wegupc |
| 01:31.37 | lh | Landon: i am sure it is unavailable on the internets |
| 01:32.02 | nrp | hmm, theres a kitten stuck in my laundry basket |
| 01:33.08 | lh | Catfish_Man: this is really neat |
| 01:33.12 | lh | nrp: kitten! |
| 01:34.19 | nrp | littlebigplanet almost makes me want a PS3 |
| 01:34.37 | Catfish_Man | lh: someone also made a fully functional mechanical calculator in the game O_O |
| 01:34.42 | Landon | lh: kill bill vol 2 popped its head out |
| 01:34.51 | Landon | Catfish_Man: D: whoa, I was just htinking about that calculator |
| 01:35.00 | Landon | my roommate is talking about learning about adders in his intro to comp engg class |
| 01:35.07 | Catfish_Man | hehe, nice |
| 01:35.36 | Landon | thats quite amazing though |
| 01:36.02 | Landon | I can barely remember how to make one using nots and ands and all that fun stuff |
| 01:36.06 | Landon | much less mechanically |
| 01:41.26 | lh | Landon: oh yeah. i <3 uma thurmann. |
| 01:41.32 | lh | Catfish_Man: neato |
| 01:41.38 | Landon | we just watched vol 1 a few nights ago |
| 01:42.30 | lh | <3 uma. |
| 01:42.32 | lh | that is all. |
| 01:42.48 | Landon | what other movie was I watching with her... |
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| 01:45.10 | Landon | shoot |
| 01:45.14 | Landon | I was watching pulp fiction |
| 01:46.40 | lh | i love that move |
| 01:46.49 | lh | s/move/movie |
| 01:47.09 | Landon | who doesn't |
| 01:47.27 | Landon | SAY WHAT AGAIN |
| 01:47.58 | lh | i have this on a tshirt |
| 01:47.58 | lh | http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/668/pulpfictionposterwo5.jpg |
| 01:48.22 | Landon | hot |
| 01:52.22 | Catfish_Man | omg. Two cylinder engine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9GEiMOxbJ4 |
| 01:54.05 | Catfish_Man | bye everyone |
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| 04:28.56 | mithro | waves to lh |
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| 05:58.32 | summatusmentis | hello all |
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| 06:04.07 | Catfish_Man | hi summatusmentis |
| 06:06.18 | summatusmentis | how're you Catfish_Man ? |
| 06:06.26 | Catfish_Man | good! playin' zelda |
| 06:06.36 | summatusmentis | nice :) |
| 06:06.59 | summatusmentis | I should find a game I enjoy :D |
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| 06:08.57 | Maiku | which zelda? |
| 06:09.10 | Catfish_Man | link to the past |
| 06:09.17 | Maiku | nice choice |
| 06:13.47 | sid0_ | Catfish_Man++ |
| 06:13.52 | sid0_ | LttP is amazing |
| 06:14.07 | sid0_ | though OoT is better :D |
| 06:14.45 | Maiku | it's crazy to think how old both of those are :P |
| 06:15.01 | sid0_ | Maiku: timeless |
| 06:15.19 | Maiku | :) |
| 06:15.32 | sid0_ | has been playing the witcher for the past few days |
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| 06:23.03 | kblin | sighs |
| 06:23.13 | kblin | morning folks |
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| 06:23.16 | Catfish_Man | hey kblin |
| 06:23.54 | summatusmentis | don't sigh |
| 06:23.56 | kblin | is currently pretty underwhelmed by kubuntu |
| 06:24.26 | summatusmentis | "oh what a beautiful morning! oh what a beautiful day! I've got beautiful feeling! Everythings going my way" |
| 06:25.03 | Catfish_Man | it's 36 minutes to midnight |
| 06:25.11 | Catfish_Man | not "morning" by any stretch of the imagination |
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| 06:25.50 | thebolt | afternoon kblin |
| 06:26.20 | summatusmentis | Catfish_Man: west coast? |
| 06:26.26 | Catfish_Man | indeed |
| 06:28.15 | kblin | summatusmentis: it's more like "if those people want me to test their beta, they should be more responsive to my questions of where the packages I need to test disappeared to" |
| 06:28.32 | kblin | and "why did I get up to do this, anyway" |
| 06:28.39 | summatusmentis | oh |
| 06:29.53 | kblin | I mean, of course I did so because I finally want to see a non-broken kvm in ubuntu |
| 06:30.08 | kblin | but somehow I doubt they'll pull this off |
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| 07:44.46 | AJuOnLiNE|zZz | .o/ |
| 07:44.58 | AJuOnLiNE|zZz | marning |
| 07:45.55 | Ivanovic | oh man, this is so great |
| 07:45.59 | Ivanovic | http://gsoc-mentors-2008.thousandparsec.net/wiki/Summit_Schedule |
| 07:46.06 | Ivanovic | "LH will make sure you can find water, pain relievers and caffeine when you wake up. " |
| 07:46.23 | Ivanovic | lh: sounds really promising |
| 07:46.25 | Ivanovic | :) |
| 07:47.50 | scorche | haha...i missed thatr |
| 07:48.36 | Ivanovic | lh: the hotel bookings that were already confirmed before "the huge problems"(r) started, they are fine? |
| 07:48.47 | Ivanovic | since you some days ago mentioned that there might be problems, too |
| 07:49.15 | scorche | would expect that she is asleep, though she does have her insomniac moments |
| 07:49.32 | Ivanovic | scorche: she often is awake at those time when he client is online |
| 07:49.42 | Ivanovic | that is she tends to not use a bouncer like many of us do... |
| 07:49.45 | scorche | we will find out =) |
| 07:50.25 | Ivanovic | jupp |
| 07:50.27 | Ivanovic | :) |
| 07:52.54 | Ivanovic | "Know when to put the computer down. Seriously. How often do we all get to see each other? " |
| 07:53.02 | Ivanovic | will not have a real computer with him |
| 07:53.23 | scorche | just a fake one like they have at ikea? |
| 07:53.23 | Ivanovic | that is nothing with a keyboard i would be compftable typing on... |
| 07:53.42 | Ivanovic | no, just my mobile phone and IMO this does not quality as computer at all |
| 07:54.07 | Ivanovic | (you know, it can play music, display texts and images, but that is still not really a computer... |
| 07:54.30 | scorche | will likely bring his regular laptop and XO |
| 07:54.48 | scorche | though, only the XO comes to the googleplex |
| 07:54.50 | Ivanovic | travels from europe to the us and needs his regular laptop for work |
| 07:55.14 | Ivanovic | that is: i do not want us customs to make a clean backup for me and/or to keep it completely for some months |
| 07:55.30 | scorche | oh boy... |
| 07:56.12 | AJuOnLiNE|zZz | they take backup of the laptop? |
| 07:56.26 | Ivanovic | AJuOnLiNE|zZz: they are at least allowed to do so |
| 07:56.53 | AJuOnLiNE|zZz | o.O |
| 07:56.55 | scorche | finds it interesting how a small handful of those stories, once published on the internet, evolve to become the general expectations of people as "the way things are" every single time |
| 07:56.56 | AJuOnLiNE|zZz | weird |
| 07:57.05 | Ivanovic | if the mentor summit was not in the US i would probably not be traveling over... |
| 07:57.21 | Ivanovic | scorche: the problem is that it is explicitly allowed by law |
| 07:57.48 | Ivanovic | no exception bound to "we got proof that the person is connected to XYZ", nothing like this |
| 07:57.53 | scorche | do you know how many tens of thousands pass through the borders in a *day*? |
| 07:57.59 | Ivanovic | many |
| 07:58.06 | Ivanovic | still the chance is existing |
| 07:58.13 | scorche | do you know how many of them have laptops?...do you know how many of those laptops are likely even looked at? |
| 07:58.39 | danderson | scorche speaks the truth |
| 07:58.52 | danderson | I've passed several times through US customs with my laptop |
| 07:59.03 | Ivanovic | yes, it is unlikely to happen |
| 07:59.08 | danderson | the only time they took notice is because I had to take it out of my bag for x-raying, and I forgot |
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| 07:59.28 | danderson | usually, when they want to pretend to add any kind of security, they'll go for searching the bag |
| 07:59.45 | danderson | it's much better for security theatre than idly clicking through a computer |
| 07:59.48 | Ivanovic | still it is possible and allowed in the immigration laws which is bad enough |
| 07:59.51 | danderson | it looks like they do more |
| 08:00.06 | Ivanovic | would be enough reason for me not to travel to the US at all if the mentor summit was not there |
| 08:00.16 | scorche | Ivanovic: and how many reported cases are there?...3 or so? |
| 08:00.19 | danderson | although last they searched my bag, there was a huge camera bag at the bottom |
| 08:00.28 | danderson | the guy didn't even open it. |
| 08:00.53 | danderson | it's at that point that I became convinced by Schneier's talk of "Security Theatre" |
| 08:01.12 | danderson | I could have had a pack of C4 in there for all they know, big enough to tear the plane in two |
| 08:01.30 | kblin | danderson: I realized how easy it is to fly even if you're on the no fly list |
| 08:01.32 | scorche | yup...it is all a show to give the illusion of security |
| 08:02.00 | kblin | using that "switch your boarding cards" trick schneier mentioned |
| 08:02.13 | smtms | scorche, do you know how many unreported cases there are? |
| 08:02.26 | danderson | kblin: what trick is that? |
| 08:02.40 | Catfish_Man | smtms: logically speaking, that's impossible isn't it? |
| 08:02.48 | scorche | senses a logical fallacy |
| 08:02.48 | kblin | danderson: you get a boarding pass in a fake name |
| 08:03.12 | smtms | Catfish_Man, trying thinking beyond the rigid constraints of logic |
| 08:03.24 | Catfish_Man | oh ok. I know how many then |
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| 08:03.39 | kblin | danderson: then, you fake one to show your real name, which is the one you show for at the security checkpoint along with your password |
| 08:03.52 | danderson | hah |
| 08:03.56 | danderson | and then board with the fake name |
| 08:04.03 | kblin | danderson: then, at the gate, you ... yeah |
| 08:04.07 | danderson | awesome :) |
| 08:04.25 | danderson | the other trick I picked up is how to skip long security queues |
| 08:04.35 | danderson | pay for the ticket at the airport, in cash |
| 08:04.47 | danderson | that gets you a "suspicious person" ticket |
| 08:05.01 | kblin | and I didn't believe it was possible until I flew NWA last month |
| 08:05.04 | danderson | so you skip the queue at security and get your own checkup :) |
| 08:05.13 | danderson | true, it's a little more elaborate |
| 08:05.21 | danderson | but you still get done massively faster |
| 08:06.00 | kblin | hehe |
| 08:06.15 | kblin | only if you're on a flight with seats left, though |
| 08:06.43 | scorche | danderson: eh...i would rather wait |
| 08:06.44 | kblin | wow |
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| 08:07.03 | Ivanovic | scorche: depends on how full it is |
| 08:07.05 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 08:07.06 | scorche | doesnt like getting that "SSSS" on his boarding pass |
| 08:07.10 | kblin | hehe |
| 08:07.44 | kblin | scorche: can be handy |
| 08:08.08 | kblin | last time I went through a check like that, they found stuff in my pockets I forgot I had put there |
| 08:08.13 | scorche | you can also "accidently throw your boarding pass in the trash" and get a new boarding pass wiothout the "SSSS" |
| 08:08.36 | Catfish_Man | lol |
| 08:08.59 | kblin | right. it's supposedly random, right? |
| 08:09.26 | scorche | random amongst males flying one-way and foreigners |
| 08:11.56 | kblin | I rarely fly domestic anyway |
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| 08:15.46 | smtms | suicide terrorists save money by buying one-way tickets? :-) |
| 08:16.34 | kblin | brb, switching computers |
| 08:16.58 | danderson | I flew one way around the world |
| 08:17.01 | danderson | no questions got asked |
| 08:17.25 | danderson | that said, I am white and nerdy, have long hair, a heavy metal tshirt and a google jacket |
| 08:17.33 | danderson | I guess I don't fit the "I'm gonna blow you up" profile :) |
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| 08:23.52 | Ivanovic | danderson: hmm, with this looks i would not let you board at all |
| 08:24.18 | Ivanovic | and who knows, maybe some of the security guys have looked die hard 4 and actually believe and all the stuff shown there |
| 08:24.31 | Ivanovic | they could be afraid of you hacking the plane! |
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| 08:33.19 | Ivanovic | hmm, looks like the invoice for flight costs really needs 30 days |
| 08:33.44 | Ivanovic | (that is i submitted the invoice on 16th sept |
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| 08:44.17 | kblin | hehehe |
| 08:45.00 | kblin | just found his project named as "a good way to learn the background of mmog development" in a really good blog post about the topic |
| 08:45.21 | kblin | he also says "you won't get any real games experience for years to come" |
| 08:45.30 | kblin | which is the part that made me laugh |
| 08:45.41 | kblin | how very true |
| 08:46.50 | llnz | kblin: linky? |
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| 08:47.06 | llnz | err... |
| 08:47.16 | llnz | kblin: link please? |
| 08:47.27 | kblin | http://www.wimwouters.com/2008/10/how-to-make-mmog.html |
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| 08:57.17 | llnz | kblin: cool that it's recognised |
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| 12:45.55 | Ivanovic | hmm, is this list valid for flights to the mentor summit, too? |
| 12:45.56 | Ivanovic | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/fail-owned-pants-luggage-packaging-fail.jpg |
| 12:46.05 | Ivanovic | that is: are we allowed to wear pants on the summit? |
| 12:46.07 | Ivanovic | ^^ |
| 12:46.37 | kblin | damn |
| 12:46.50 | kblin | sighs |
| 12:46.55 | kblin | that was a close shot |
| 12:48.10 | Ivanovic | hmm, is this some new law entitled "freedom from pants"? |
| 12:48.21 | Ivanovic | no idea which crazy laws they got in the us... |
| 12:50.06 | kblin | but that would lead to nudity |
| 12:51.22 | Ivanovic | would it? |
| 12:51.45 | Ivanovic | hmm: one pant for the whole summit, i am only in the us for ~3 days |
| 12:52.01 | kblin | oh, right |
| 12:52.02 | Ivanovic | but what about those who fly away on holidays for two or three weeks? |
| 12:52.06 | kblin | you're still allow to wear one |
| 12:52.12 | kblin | wear two pants? |
| 12:52.21 | Ivanovic | are they not allowed to change their underwear? |
| 12:52.31 | Ivanovic | since pants not only covers eg jeans... |
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| 12:52.47 | kblin | Ivanovic: I saw "7-week-underwear" in an outdoor shop last month |
| 12:52.58 | Ivanovic | kblin: sounds promising... |
| 12:52.59 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 12:53.28 | kblin | waits for lh to wake up |
| 12:53.56 | Ivanovic | i think we should not shock leslie with really following this (interesting) rule |
| 12:54.02 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 12:54.04 | kblin | LCA rejected my last talk proposal as well, but want me around as backup speaker |
| 12:54.33 | kblin | the ospo offered to help me with travel costs if I was accepted. now I wonder if "backup speaker" is close enough |
| 12:59.01 | kblin | it's even more depressing when it's a close miss |
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| 20:55.43 | MatthewWilkes | hi all |
| 20:56.02 | sidnei | hey matthewwilkes! |
| 20:56.06 | sidnei | was just looking for you |
| 20:56.18 | MatthewWilkes | hi sidnei! I'm in DC at ploneconf |
| 20:56.23 | MatthewWilkes | wifi is a bit flakey |
| 20:56.27 | sidnei | matthewwilkes: in fact, i found your mobile phone number following your own instructions :) |
| 20:56.43 | MatthewWilkes | Did you by jove? |
| 20:57.00 | sidnei | matthewwilkes: got an email from the hotel ladies, they are asking if we want to change to the wild palms hotel |
| 20:57.12 | MatthewWilkes | Yep, I just got that too |
| 20:57.28 | sidnei | matthewwilkes: ok, i will let you reply then, i am fine with either |
| 20:58.04 | MatthewWilkes | sidnei: Personally I'll want to stay in a double, especially now the exchange rate for USD/GBP has fallen against my favour |
| 20:58.13 | MatthewWilkes | If you want to move feel free, I'm sure I can find another roommate |
| 20:58.36 | MatthewWilkes | That said, I'm sure I'll be at the Wild Palms a fair bit |
| 20:58.57 | sidnei | matthewwilkes: maybe i misread? i thought they said they had singles and doubles |
| 20:59.21 | sidnei | uhm, it is unclear |
| 20:59.23 | MatthewWilkes | sidnei: "We have been able to open up some rooms at the Wild Palms which are single bedded rooms. " |
| 20:59.39 | MatthewWilkes | and "you do have an option of booking the Wild Palms hotel as a single (private room)" |
| 21:00.00 | sidnei | and then "If you stay at the domain and share a room" |
| 21:00.12 | sidnei | i guess few people would share a single bed room :) |
| 21:00.27 | MatthewWilkes | yep, but the domain is the other hotel |
| 21:00.37 | sidnei | right, that makes sense |
| 21:00.44 | sidnei | ok, no action is the best action then! |
| 21:01.37 | MatthewWilkes | Cool, btw, what's the status of Zope on 2.5/2.6 and Jython? |
| 21:02.16 | sidnei | matthewwilkes: im *this* close to have it running on 2.6. as in, i have a handful of patches to apply and egg releases to make |
| 21:02.29 | sidnei | matthewwilkes: it does start up, which is awesome |
| 21:02.47 | MatthewWilkes | sidnei: Can I download something that starts up? |
| 21:02.58 | MatthewWilkes | Would be amazing to show it in a lightning talk, with the proviso it's not finished yet |
| 21:03.17 | sidnei | matthewwilkes: uhm, i guess i could cut a tarball for you |
| 21:03.23 | sidnei | matthewwilkes: when's the lightning talk? |
| 21:03.26 | MatthewWilkes | Don't worry about it if it's a hassle |
| 21:03.31 | MatthewWilkes | also, don't want to steal your thunder ;) |
| 21:03.41 | MatthewWilkes | I'm in todays at the moment, so same time tomorrow |
| 21:04.01 | sidnei | matthewwilkes: i can definitely get something going for tomorrow, who knows, maybe even a windows installer :) |
| 21:04.26 | MatthewWilkes | sidnei: Well, I'm on mac, so a tar would be perfect |
| 21:04.45 | sidnei | matthewwilkes: only thing pending is a medusa change which is required to serve requests, otherwise the first time you hit zope it shuts down :) |
| 21:04.55 | sidnei | matthewwilkes: so i will make that change tomorrow and send you a tarball |
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| 21:05.11 | MatthewWilkes | sidnei: Amazing, thanks :) |
| 21:05.53 | MatthewWilkes | sidnei: Make sure you include a list of contributors though ;) |
| 21:06.10 | sidnei | matthewwilkes: will do |
| 21:06.40 | sidnei | man, im excited now. that will be super cool if you can show this |
| 21:08.20 | MatthewWilkes | sidnei: I'm putting myself on the schedule now, should get one of the last couple of the day |
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| 21:13.12 | Ch0p | anyone here have any opinions of cakephp? |
| 21:13.49 | Ch0p | I'm abotu 2% into a major app which I'm using cakephp to make, and I was curious if anyone has any advice or wanted to recommend a different framework |
| 21:13.54 | Ch0p | I'm open to other languages aswell |
| 21:14.52 | Landon | django? :) |
| 21:15.13 | Landon | I havent extensively used either though |
| 21:15.19 | Ch0p | I looked at django |
| 21:16.01 | Ch0p | but I'm not familiar with securing python against reverse engineering |
| 21:16.18 | Ch0p | I'm not super concerned about it |
| 21:16.25 | Ch0p | but I don't want it open source |
| 21:16.37 | sidnei | gotta go now, bya |
| 21:16.48 | Ch0p | there's no secret algorithm or anything I'm trying to protect |
| 21:17.40 | Ch0p | I wonder if django can make a model from a sql db, I'm going to look |
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| 23:36.51 | lh | scorche: ping |
| 23:38.15 | Landon | got Sandman Vol 1 today |
| 23:38.16 | Landon | eeeeeeeeeee |
| 23:38.29 | Catfish_Man | woot :D |
| 23:40.13 | Landon | now to accumulate gift certificates to help pay for the rest :P |
| 23:40.22 | Landon | another 150-300 to go |
| 23:40.23 | Landon | :( |
| 23:41.28 | SanMehat | what is Sandman vol 1? |
| 23:41.56 | Landon | first 20 issues of the Sandman graphic novels |
| 23:42.00 | Landon | bound in one sexy book |
| 23:42.01 | Landon | :D |
| 23:42.22 | Landon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sandman_(Vertigo) |
| 23:42.35 | Landon | 4 volumes in all |
| 23:46.47 | dirigeant | lh: i need a statistic about indexed page numbers. how can i take it |
| 23:46.53 | dirigeant | or can i take it? |
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| 23:47.37 | dirigeant | i wanna learn how many website indexed and how many Turkish website indexed |
| 23:48.02 | lh | dirigeant: i have no idea how to find this out. |
| 23:48.06 | lh | anyone else have ideas? |
| 23:48.20 | dirigeant | my teacher need these numbers for his article. doesnt google supply these infos? |
| 23:48.38 | lh | how many websites indexed |
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| 23:48.49 | dirigeant | s/supply/publish/ |
| 23:48.52 | lh | try http://www.google.com/about.html or something like that |
| 23:48.59 | lh | # of turkish sites indexed no idea at all |
| 23:49.01 | lh | search google? :) |
| 23:49.04 | Catfish_Man | the old zeitgeist stuff might have been useful |
| 23:49.07 | dirigeant | :) |
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| 23:58.57 | araujo | greets around |
