00:21.45 | jg | france: ping |
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00:23.43 | florian | hi mmp |
00:23.51 | mmp | florian: hello |
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00:26.00 | florian | mmp: i'm just filling that survey |
00:27.22 | mmp | florian: ok, I'm just having a heat-up excercise with my PDA. I unwisely installed few self-compiled packages without testing and now some things just crash with illegal instruction |
00:27.46 | mmp | :-( |
00:30.03 | florian | oops |
00:31.01 | mmp | florian: I guess it has something to do with gtk, because for now just gtk apps crash; xdemineur works correctly. But, so far, it is probably not related to dbus upgrade |
00:31.12 | florian | mmp: worst case ignore the pda for a while and spend your time in development... i hope we have more up to date images soon. |
00:32.20 | florian | mmp: this xdemineur should use gtk as well... what did you install? |
00:34.19 | mmp | florian: That is probably quite reasonable way, but I would like to get it fixed, because I have strange feeling that PDA would not boot if it was rebooted |
00:35.21 | mmp | I installed gpe-nmf, before that just dbus and its two dependencies - libexpat1 and glib-2.0 |
00:35.51 | florian | a broken glib would be fatal.... |
00:36.11 | florian | maybe just install it from the original feed. |
00:36.23 | mmp | yes, I'll try in few minutes |
00:38.06 | mmp | but, more to topic - is there any simple way how to use arm compiler compiled in OE tree? |
00:38.50 | mmp | I had a look there and it doesn't seem simply, but I might be wrong |
00:40.20 | mmp | hmm, bad look; it seems quite useable, I was just loooking into wrong directory. |
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00:41.33 | florian | mmp: yes, you should be able to use it like a normal cross toolchain. |
00:42.52 | florian | mmp: you need to add the directory with arm-linux... binaries to your path, set up PKG_CONFIG_PATH to the correct .pc files and configure --host=arm-linux --prefix=/usr |
00:43.29 | mmp | so just normal standard way of cross-toolchain... :-) Sounds very promising. |
00:44.36 | florian | well.. crosscompiling is always full of nasty problems. |
00:45.00 | mmp | and one, maybe very stupid question - how is it possibleto force ipkg to use specific version of package? |
00:45.35 | florian | if you want you can create a separate one with oe as well - that's the "meta-sdk" target. |
00:46.13 | florian | mmp: hmm... you can point it to a single file (e.g. an url or a local file). |
00:46.59 | mmp | there is some info about downgrading in output of 'ipkg'. Just guide about how to specify version is missing |
00:47.36 | florian | usually it refuses to downgrade, if this happens you can try to remove this package (use -force-depends) and then just install the desired one. |
00:50.28 | mmp | florian: hmm, but with package like glib this can be quite tricky... |
00:51.57 | florian | mmp: true... it should work, iirc ipkg doesn't depend on it... with glibc it would be really nasty |
00:53.13 | florian | mmp: btw, i answered your mail |
00:53.26 | mmp | florian: thank you, one minute to check:) |
00:54.14 | mmp | I'll go off in few minutes, to... |
00:55.16 | mmp | hm, gdb says that is SIGILL's in gtk... |
00:55.33 | mmp | but it is gtk_object_get_type(), so glib could apply as well... |
00:57.24 | florian | yes right, that should be a thin layer around gobject by now. |
00:57.39 | florian | good night |
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09:10.42 | florian_kc | good morning |
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09:17.42 | XorA | hey florian_kc |
09:31.05 | _law_ | hi florian_kc |
09:41.02 | XorA | _law_: well tinymail runs, but I cant configure an account for it :-) |
09:42.08 | _law_ | XorA, mom |
09:42.42 | _law_ | XorA, take a look at https://svn.tinymail.org/svn/tinymail/trunk/README |
09:42.53 | _law_ | XorA, gconftool-2 -s /apps/tinymail/accounts/0/proto -t string imap |
09:43.53 | _law_ | btw. http://chrislord.net/images/launchpad.png http://chrislord.net/images/launchpad-mail.png |
09:43.57 | _law_ | would be nice |
09:44.24 | _law_ | dates tinymail and contacts in one gui |
09:47.25 | XorA | _law_: I think my gconf doesnt like my dbus as it claims its not running |
09:48.23 | _law_ | XorA, try dbus-monitor |
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10:31.11 | _law_ | upps found a litte bug in my gpe-login patch... |
10:32.49 | florian_kc | XorA: did you notice any problems with the new glib? |
10:36.41 | florian_kc | neal: the button order in dialogs in gpe and maemo differ :-/ |
10:46.17 | XorA | florian_kc: not yet |
10:46.52 | florian_kc | XorA: here i got some segfaults initializing threads. |
10:47.14 | XorA | florian_kc: which apps, and I see if I can run them later |
10:49.50 | florian_kc | XorA: verified with gpe-calendar (cvs), but gpe-screenshot didn't work either |
10:54.26 | XorA | florian_kc: port.2615.png is mine |
10:59.25 | florian_kc | XorA: hmm... i bet you have that library but maybe in the wrong module directory. |
11:03.14 | florian_kc | neal: I'm impressed... works pretty well! |
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11:07.04 | _law_ | XorA, could you post your scap-script please. gpe-screenshot also doesnt work on my c7x0 :-) |
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11:08.34 | XorA | _law_: that was gpe-screenshot |
11:08.59 | _law_ | XorA, i thought you also have got the utf-8 problem |
11:09.00 | XorA | florian_kc: sorry I dont understand |
11:09.12 | XorA | _law_: I fixed that by building a from scratch image |
11:09.31 | _law_ | XorA, .dev ? |
11:09.35 | XorA | _law_: yes |
11:09.45 | XorA | _law_: in fact I dont get any UTF8 errors anymore |
11:11.35 | _law_ | XorA, hmm perhaps i also should do that. did you change something in you local.conf? |
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11:12.25 | florian_kc | XorA: the gtk message in port.2615.png :-) |
11:14.29 | neal | florian: How does the button order differ? |
11:17.19 | neal | hmm, you have no date selector |
11:17.21 | neal | neat. |
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11:19.44 | XorA | florian_kc: ah, not too bothered about that as stuff is working :-) |
11:20.32 | XorA | florian_kc: yeah, its in 2.4.0 directiry not 2.10.0 liek it should be |
11:25.39 | XorA | florian_kc: maybe you need to build a fresh image like I did? |
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11:41.29 | _law_ | so if anyone want test my gpe-login update http://helmsdeep.homelinux.net/~pat/gpe-login/ |
11:42.27 | _law_ | if this works fine my next project is a 3g/gprs (ppp) dialer |
11:42.59 | _law_ | i dont like my 3g-call.sh shell-script any more :-) |
11:43.37 | _law_ | does the n770 has an ppp-dialer? can we use it? |
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11:55.10 | florian_kc | neal: Gnome and GPE have the accepting (ususally "OK") button rightmost, maemo puts this left. |
11:55.12 | florian_kc | re |
11:55.32 | florian_kc | looks like we still suffer from a broken router |
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11:59.12 | neal | lovely |
11:59.25 | neal | are you sure its not a bug? |
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13:13.09 | florian_kc | neal: well... thats subject of long discussions. gpe usually follows the basic ideas of the gnome hig, but the maemo guideleine are different. |
13:15.20 | florian_kc | neal: i found a way to make it segfault - switching back to another view from the agenda triggers it. |
13:15.47 | florian_kc | see here: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.1325.png |
13:16.48 | neal | I'll take a look at it, thanks. |
13:18.05 | florian_kc | neal: there are some more screenshots - most things look really good, there are some minor ui problems which seem to be trivial to fix. |
13:21.32 | florian_kc | remote calendars work fine too... |
13:24.00 | _law_ | does anybody know if the n770 gps/3g dialer is opensource ? |
13:26.19 | florian_kc | hmm... which dialer? |
13:27.25 | neal | florian: Ok. |
13:27.44 | _law_ | florian_kc, i thought there is a bluetooth-dialin-applet or? |
13:29.10 | florian_kc | _law_: i'm not sure, maybbe take a liik at the os 2005 application catalog in the wiki - usually there are links to the sources. |
13:40.18 | neal | florian: Check out the new love in cvs. |
13:41.20 | neal | florian: Clicking the agenda seems to work fine here. |
13:41.34 | neal | florian: i.e. I can't reproduce it. |
13:43.16 | _law_ | florian_kc, http://www.hack-lab.com/images/screenshot01.png look at this screenshot the is some phone-applet |
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13:49.21 | florian_kc | neal: ah cool |
13:49.50 | florian_kc | _law_: ah that only initiates data connections.. and it is closed :-( |
13:50.19 | florian_kc | neal: it happens every time i switch to the agenda and then return to another view. |
13:55.47 | florian_kc | neal: is this maybe related to the fact that i have a smaller screen and the agenda isn't displayed per default? this setting is active in the menu btw. |
13:56.12 | neal | that's an idea. |
13:56.15 | _law_ | florian_kc, hmm so i?ll take a look at gkdial |
13:56.26 | neal | you're good. |
13:57.09 | _law_ | florian_kc, http://helmsdeep.homelinux.net/~pat/gpe-login/ i have build some new patches now gpe-login looks at /etc/windowmanagers.d/ |
13:57.22 | florian_kc | _law_: yes right, its not that nice but deals with privileges and the system configuration pretty well. |
13:57.52 | florian_kc | _law_: ah that's good, i need to integrate it asap |
13:58.12 | _law_ | you only have to link your wm into this directory |
13:59.19 | florian_kc | XorA: i accidentally installed glib 2.10 instead of 2.12 - this one works |
13:59.36 | XorA | florian_kc: ahah, yeah 2.10 was b0rked |
14:00.31 | florian_kc | i should just remove it... |
14:01.13 | XorA | should remove glib < 2.12 and gtk+ < 2.10 and get people actually testing :-) |
14:02.45 | florian_kc | hehe, well... we need to work on memory usege first i guess. |
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14:05.53 | neal | florian: is glib that bad? |
14:06.03 | neal | florian: I understand how gtk+ could have bloated |
14:06.20 | neal | florian: But I imagine glib not having increased significantly. |
14:07.07 | florian_kc | neal: that's true... using latest glib should be fine. but removing gtk < 2.10 might lead to some troeuble. |
14:07.09 | florian_kc | eh trouble |
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15:08.03 | CoreDump|home | hi |
15:08.32 | florian_kc | hi CoreDump|home |
15:10.07 | CoreDump|home | _law_: do you have oe push access? If not I'd be happy to commit your patch |
15:11.02 | _law_ | CoreDump|home: dont have access anymore ;-) lost my key. feel free to push |
15:15.26 | florian_kc | neal: found another usability issue: the context menu for the events is not that nice that you need to select the edit function from a submenu. what about moving that functionality related to the current calendar to the other calendar functions (or - together with them to a submenu) |
15:16.04 | neal | for the day view? |
15:16.07 | neal | or another view? |
15:16.33 | florian_kc | neal: yes, for the day view. |
15:16.58 | CoreDump|home | _law_: will do, just let me know when you are happy w/ your patch ;) |
15:17.55 | neal | why is that not so nice? |
15:18.26 | florian_kc | neal: with latest cvs code this happens if i try to select a different date in month view: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.6384.pnghttp://handhelds.org/scap/port.6384.png |
15:18.36 | florian_kc | oops |
15:19.06 | florian_kc | neal: its the most likely action - this should be as easy to access as possible. |
15:20.02 | neal | I'm not really convinced that it is the most likely action. |
15:20.31 | neal | ok. |
15:20.34 | neal | I take that back. |
15:20.43 | neal | I think you're right that it is the most likely action. |
15:22.48 | florian_kc | basically the current menu looks really nice structured, but as a user i'd expect to have the event functions as easy to access as posible if i tap on an event. the calendar functions are good to have too, but i'd move them to a calendar related submenu. |
15:25.37 | neal | florian: Have you tried zooming in the month view and panning? |
15:25.56 | neal | florian: Note the days of the week when you scroll vertically |
15:30.23 | florian_kc | neal: not yet, 'm currently on my ipaq. but i'll build for the 770 later. |
15:30.46 | neal | no + key? |
15:30.49 | neal | or = key? |
15:31.48 | florian_kc | neal: can i have a calendar that saves new events remotely? |
15:32.03 | florian_kc | neal: uh sure - i have a virtual keyboard |
15:32.16 | neal | florian: Sure. |
15:32.45 | neal | florian: Just change it to publish and put in a URL to which you can PUT. |
15:32.58 | florian_kc | neal: wow - that's really cool now! |
15:33.10 | neal | florian: Event propagation occurs 5 minutes after the last modification to the calendar |
15:33.20 | neal | florian: This way if a series of events are added, we save bandwidth. |
15:33.26 | florian_kc | neal: (that was related to panning) |
15:33.38 | neal | florian: yeah, the panning code is improving. |
15:34.03 | florian_kc | neal: remote calendars are nice too |
15:34.21 | neal | florian: currently, if the user closes gpe-calendar before the calendars are syncrhonized then they won't be updated. |
15:34.24 | neal | :-) |
15:34.33 | florian_kc | heh, good to know |
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15:36.19 | neal | :-/ |
15:39.14 | florian_kc | we need to set up some instance for gpe bounties |
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15:40.32 | florian_kc | neal: this assertion seems to occur in the default zoom level only. |
15:41.35 | neal | I have to look at it later. |
15:41.56 | neal | but appreciate any information that you may find out about it. |
15:41.58 | neal | or other bugs. |
15:42.17 | florian_kc | sure :-) |
15:42.24 | florian_kc | i'll try it on the 770 later |
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18:23.20 | florian | re |
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20:18.42 | florian | neal: time to update :-) |
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