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00:02.50reenoopb_: are there any funds for the bounties already? (good idea btw)
00:02.50CoreDump|homeflorian_: looking at gpe-shield now. The one thing I've noticed is that it needs an su wrapper
00:03.22florian_Hmm i think i should remove some old libgpewidget releases from oe.
00:03.35florian_CoreDump|home: it should be installed suid root.
00:03.47CoreDump|homewasn't for me =)
00:04.27florian_pb_: btw... i maneged to make gpe-calendar die opening the time selector several times.
00:04.36pb_reenoo: I'm not sure.  I don't have any identified funds yet, but it's a small enough amount of money that I don't expect to have too much of a problem.
00:04.39florian_s/maneged/managed
00:04.53pb_florian_: oh dear.  can you get a backtrace?
00:06.14florian_i didn't try so far, i just noticed during playing...
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00:06.30pb_okay
00:08.59reenoopb_: ok, cool
00:09.12reenoo'night all
00:09.42florian_reenoo: good night
00:14.01pb_night all
00:14.53florian_pb_: good night
00:15.09florian_hmm... good idea - good night all
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08:16.48koengood morning all
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08:49.54koenhey zecke
08:50.18koenzecke: does the new semester start now in Germany?
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08:55.36XorAmorning
08:55.37koenhey XorA
08:57.21XorAso whats new in GPE ville
08:57.36koensome new releases
08:58.30XorAsome interesting discussions re networking
08:58.51XorAif people follow up, GPE will have better network config than desktop PC setups
09:00.44zeckekoen: no, it is about to end
09:00.49koenand most importantly: you could use in on your (debian) desktop as well
09:01.11koenzecke: so you're still in the assignments and deadlines hell
09:01.23zeckekoen: for the next three weeks my fellow students have the exams..
09:01.44zeckeand I need to arrange my dates for the tests :}
09:01.45zeckecya
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09:36.40koenciao bedboi
09:36.50bedboihey koen
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09:53.59Russso these new gpe-calendar, gpe-bluetooth, gpe-firewall, etc packages
09:54.11Russwhere well they show up as built packages?
09:54.27zeckere
09:55.11koenRuss: they are already in the familiar 0.8.3 feeds
09:55.23Russah
09:55.24Russcool
09:55.54RussI really hoped they fixed that thing where everytime you open gpe-calendar around the time an alarm will go off, it goes off
09:55.59Russand then when you exit, goes off again
09:56.06Russer, I really hope
09:56.46Russalso, quick question, my ipaq 3870 doesn't seem to be able to keep very good time
09:56.50Russis there anything that can be done?
09:57.03koenhmmm, hh.org is being slow again
09:58.20hrw|workmorning
10:02.16hrw|workduring weekend I used gpe calendar/summary on collie - looks quite nice but needs some quirks
10:02.49hrw|workonce summary does not show events for day (I just insert events in calendar and started summary)
10:03.21hrw|work'reminder' type of events can be set to date/time but are shown on top of day view instead on choosen time.
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10:10.38alan|homemorning
10:10.54koenhey alan|home
10:11.33alan|homehey hey koen
10:19.40alan|homeguys, in gpe-miwser, is there a way to enter a login/password ? (for my modem/router; for example, a popup windows should be displaied, but it doesn't...)
10:20.18koenpopups don't work yet
10:20.52alan|homeok, so shall i use something with the adress, or anything else ?
10:22.29koenyou'd have to ask Philippe
10:22.53hrw|workalan|home: http://user:pass@server:port/path/
10:23.14alan|homehrw|work: you are a Bible to me ^^
10:23.59koenhrw|work: did you find a band?
10:24.14hrw|workkoen: we have two to choice
10:26.43koenthe circuit breaker didn't trip and the washing machine still works....
10:31.09koen~lart teletop.utwente.nl
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10:32.51koenhey florian_kc
10:33.33koenflorian_kc: I just checked how Apple's iCal handles editing recurring events
10:33.56rob_w|mobilkoen, can you name me the fall back site of openembedded.org ?
10:34.47koenflorian_kc: before editing it pops up a warning and giving 3 options: "don't edit", "edit only this occurence" (which disconnects it from the main event) and "edit everywhere" (which edits the main occurence)
10:34.59koenrob_w|mobil: oe.handhelds.org and bugs.treke.net
10:35.23florian_kcgood morning
10:35.30rob_w|mobilthanks
10:36.05florian_kckoen: ah cool thanks - that would be another method.
10:36.17florian_kcrob_w|mobil: rock!
10:37.55rob_w|mobilyep
10:38.50hrw|workkoen: many PIM apps do it in that style iirc
10:39.33koenhrw|work: I've always used a paper agenda
10:39.50koenand briefly used evo2 + windows ce
10:39.59hrw|workah
10:40.35rob_w|mobilhmm i miss the GettingStarted page there
10:45.06pb__florian_kc: good morning!
10:47.25pb__rob_w|mobil: very good!
10:49.38rob_w|mobilyeah guys .. soon i will hopefully row into the "SuccessStory Page"
10:53.00koenrob_w|mobil: http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GettingStarted
10:53.04florian_kckoen: Looks interesting...
10:53.10florian_kcpb__: hi!
10:53.28rob_w|mobilkoen, thanks again
10:55.39florian_kckoen: what's the price of this nice toy?
10:57.11koenflorian_kc: $125 according to the site, but I'm getting one on loan to make an OE work for that board
10:57.22florian_kckoen: cool
10:58.18florian_kckoen: thats really not that expensive...
10:58.22XorAthats a nice little board
11:00.04koenonce it works we'll try to make an eabi/gcc 4.1 rootfs
11:00.14XorAhmm, tv-out, math co pro, wonder how fast mplayer would go
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11:08.10pb__koen: it should do, I build with gcc4 all the time on my laptop
11:08.24koencool
11:17.40rob_w|mobilpheww boost again takes too long .. wasnet there  a binary somewhere ?
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11:31.18_law_hi
11:31.29koenhey lama
11:31.37koen_law_ that is  
11:31.51_law_hi koen
11:32.43_law_is it possible to write calendar days with appointments bold in the overview?
11:38.31hrw|workwho maintain gpe-calendar
11:38.32hrw|work?
11:39.25koenpb__, florian_kc and bedboi work on it
11:39.34hrw|workthx
11:39.53hrw|workI used it during weekend and found some lacks..
11:40.08_law_is it also possible set monday as "week start"
11:40.26hrw|work1. when I hold on event I got info with title/note + edit/delete actions - but it lack 'location' ;(
11:43.09hrw|work2. compressed day view would be great - ony hours with events but in a way that more text from events could be shown
11:43.56_law_hmm in weekview it begins with monday
11:45.41florian_kchrw|work, koen: and pb_
11:45.49florian_kc;-)
11:46.33_law_if i edit an appointment there should be the text in the window title...
11:48.18_law_every category should have another color
11:48.22hrw|work_law_: and if I change start time then endtime should change too.. 14:00 - 15:00 should be 16:00 - 17:00 when I change starttime
11:48.27koenyes, colours!!!
11:49.05_law_perhaps we should make a todo list
11:49.09florian_kchrw|work:
11:49.13florian_kceh
11:49.44florian_kchrw|work: Location in the info is a good idea.
11:49.47hrw|workkoen: which dbus will be in fam 083?
11:50.10hrw|workflorian_kc: very good - I had meetings with wedding bands and has to go into edit to see where I have to go
11:51.03hrw|workgpe-summary with 'show two days' option will be nice (or two = few)
11:51.08florian_kchrw|work: that compressed view would be nice too, we had this before we introduced the rendered day view. that needs to come back.
11:51.12koenhrw|work: pb_ and I are looking at putting in 0.60, but till that time 0.23.4 is 'the one'
11:52.09florian_kchrw|work, _law_: A todo list is a good idea, maybe just some enhancement bugs to ensure we don't forget all good ideas.
11:52.41koenlike the colours!!!
11:53.29pb__I'm starting to think now that we should just ship 0.8.3 with dbus 0.23, and try to put 0.60 in familiar 0.8.4.
11:54.11pb__kind of depends on how the timing of everything else works out, but most users won't notice any immediate improvements from the new dbus at the moment.
11:54.53florian_kckoen: i thought i pushed a pile of new gpe packages last night, i wonder where these hang out.
11:55.08koenflorian_kc: no idea, but I did the same this morning
12:08.22florian_kckoen: looks liek something went wrong on my box - but i still have a small present for you: a patch to make libgpewidget build out of the box.
12:09.17florian_kckoen: and some minor tweaks and improvements.
12:12.05rob_w|mobilhelp -- it now seems boost didnt build his "plugin"  as monotone configure misses all the boost_filesystem*
12:13.37koenflorian_kc: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=b4e9600aa7012eb3775079189eeb8d2fe9fcd757
12:14.20florian_kckoen: my solution is better :-)
12:14.32rob_w|mobilah i think i found the instructions
12:16.30florian_kckoen: and i removed a pile of old versions
12:17.31pb__florian_kc: heh, almost any solution would be better than this one
12:18.48florian_kckoen: did you make your dev tree build again
12:19.09koenflorian_kc: no, that would need a new version of bitbake
12:19.18koenand I don't want to break my familiar builds
12:21.47koenoh dear
12:24.00pb__what's the latest image for those?
12:25.23koenif you have 15 minutes i'll assemble one
12:28.33pb__thanks
12:29.26florian_kckoen: okay... here we go...
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12:32.14koenNOTE: package gpe-image-1.0-r20: task do_rootfs: started
12:33.20florian_kc~lart monotone.vanille.de
12:33.35koenheh
12:34.39koenpush to dominion or ewi
12:34.56koenthose machines don't run python stuff which increases load average to 12
12:35.15koenor 'Durchschnittslast' in german
12:35.34florian_kcheh
12:36.03florian_kcLooks like i got a timeout
12:36.14koenmonotone: allowed 'florian@openembedded.org' write permission for 'org.openembedded.dev' excluding ''
12:36.17koenmonotone: finding items to synchronize:
12:36.19koenmonotone:   certs |    keys | revisions
12:36.22koenmonotone:  12.806 |      42 |     4.191
12:36.24koenmonotone: verifying new revisions (this may take a while)
12:36.38koenwhere 'a while' depends on said python stuff
12:37.19florian_kcwhatever it means with "revisions" i'm pushing 7
12:37.47koenit triggered 7 ciabots by the looks of it
12:37.56florian_kc:-)
12:40.14koenpb__: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/gpe-image-v0.8.3-ipaq-pxa270.rootfs.jffs2
12:40.14koenshouldn't need a new kernel
12:40.25koenbut if it does: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/zImage-2.6.13-hh1+cvs20051221-ipaq-pxa270-20060203215203
12:43.02florian_kckoen: okay, ewi works...
12:45.56pb__thanks
12:46.15pb__now I just have to track down my cf reader
12:48.53pb__I wonder what I can have done with it.  I remember picking it up from my desk at home to bring it to the office, but now I can't find it in either place.
12:49.48pb__oh wait, here it is.  hurrah!
12:50.04pb__seems it was concealed under a pile of general stuff
12:51.43florian_kchmm... "general stuff"... :-)
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13:12.34koenhey johnX
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13:22.04florian_kckoen: did you tell this guy about Familiar and how it is built?
13:22.21koenno
13:22.33koenI read 'simulator' and got scared
13:22.42florian_kckoen: okay... then i'll add a note about this too :-)
13:22.50florian_kchehe indeed
13:24.15koenalthough it isn't my idea
13:24.26koendns-sd for opensync and gpe-syncd
13:24.59hrw|workdsn-sd?
13:25.20pb__no,  dns-sd
13:25.47hrw|workok. found
13:26.00pb__hail zecke
13:26.03koenor 'bonjour' as my powerbook likes to call it
13:26.44pb__yah, Bonjour (nee Rendezvous) is apple's name for that stuff.
13:28.58pb__koen: yeah, that might indeed be appropriate for a bounty.  probably only a small one, but still.
13:39.43rob_w|mobilraceback (most recent call last):
13:39.43rob_w|mobil<PROTECTED>
13:39.43rob_w|mobil<PROTECTED>
13:39.43rob_w|mobilImportError: No module named bb
13:39.51rob_w|mobilis that a python problem ??
13:46.05rob_w|mobiltypo .. thanks for not answering ;-)
13:46.58rob_w|mobilhmm or not ...
13:53.16pb__koen: x doesn't start in that image
13:53.34koenat first boot?
13:53.37pb__at least, not on first boot
13:53.44pb__I'll reset and try again
13:53.50pb__is this still the tslib problem?
13:54.02koenudev problem afaik
13:54.11pb__ah, yeah, now it works
13:54.47pb__I'll file a bug for that; it's pretty important to get it fixed
13:55.59pb__florian_kc: the gpe-conf timezone dialog looks pretty weird on the hx4700
13:56.18pb__it only fills about a quarter of the screen, so you just get what appears to be a disembodied window floating in a black void
13:56.49pb__kind of seems like a bug that it waits for you to acknowledge that dialog before starting the rest of the system.
14:05.13hrw|workon vga landscape timezone selection also looks weird on first boot
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14:33.16b_o_n_e_yhi all
14:35.02b_o_n_e_ysilly question I'm running familiar 0.8.3 with GPE on an IPAQ 2210 and I was wondering how I mount my CF card ?
14:43.23florian_kcpb__: okay... that needs some inestigation, i think i know what is going wrong.
14:43.43koenb_o_n_e_y: it should automount
14:43.45florian_kcb_o_n_e_y: isn't it mounted automatically?
14:43.48florian_kc:-)
14:47.48b_o_n_e_ydoesn't appear to be - I have /dev/hda and /dev/hda1 but when I try a mount i get an unknown device error
14:48.20b_o_n_e_ythe pcmcia settings show's is a fixed disk and ide-cs is loaded ok
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14:54.19b_o_n_e_yoops - lost my link for a moment there
14:59.13florian_kcb_o_n_e_y: hmm... which filesystem does the card use?
14:59.19b_o_n_e_yfat32
14:59.43koenI suspect it's the ide-is-removable bug in 2.6.x
14:59.54b_o_n_e_y?
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15:49.55shadowskoen: things like expat do not cleanly compile with gcc4 in OE
15:50.16koenshadows: I thought RP fixed everything below matchbox
15:50.28shadowshmm
15:50.50shadowsi tried specifying the gcc 4.0.2 compiler and it was complaining quite a lot
15:51.15shadowsi'd like to help out with making things in OE gcc4 capable
15:51.20koencool
15:51.25shadowsi would want to see a newer branch of GCC HEAD though
15:51.39shadowsmy buildhost is amd64 and many things have been fixed in HEAD
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15:57.39RPI fixed everything up to a bootstrap-image and minimal xserver (inc matchbox iirc)
15:58.43shadowsah
15:59.50hrw|workopie-image also build with gcc4.0.2 (without konq/emb)
16:00.40shadowshow difficult would it be to make a recent snapshot of gcc HEAD possible?
16:02.02koennot difficult, just tedious
16:04.27rob_w|mobilbusybox still fails at me .. i can workaournd that ,but is are a magic spell for that ?
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16:07.47XorAdamn #1503 is a pain
16:09.13poliXorA: I am just reflashing because I got a lost connection to the feed server. :)
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16:11.16koenhey jg & law_
16:11.37rob_w|mobilXorA, is that the busybox one
16:12.32polikoen lol
16:12.35hrw|workI had a luck then.. upgraded busybox on c760 with ipkg install busybox.ipk
16:12.44poliGuess I am not *that* innocent, then.
16:13.11koenr32 -> newer is safe
16:13.39koenor with a recent ipkg it should be also safe
16:17.00jgkoen: hi
16:17.13poli~lart 4700 bootldr
16:21.05polibootldr won't find 19 of 20 times the reflash.ctl file... and eve if it does find it, it just get rebooting of the reflash mode.
16:27.11poliOk... that's very weird... Stopped auto-rebooting when I get connected to external power source.
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17:01.12CoreDump|homeipkg upgrade on flash stinks
17:01.38polihaving to reflash stinks 2x more
17:02.14hrw|workusing clamshell stinks
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17:03.21CoreDump|homewell upgrade on a 200Mb rootfs isn't bad at all heh
17:04.15CoreDump|homehmmm
17:04.17CoreDump|home/dev/loop0              196.8M     75.3M    111.4M  40% /
17:04.34CoreDump|homethat's e17 core image + GPE apps. 75.3Mb uncompressed
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17:19.00koenee17 for eyecandy, gpe apps to make it usefull?
17:19.39CoreDump|homeright
17:22.08polishould initscripts take a long time (more than 15 mins) to get downloaded?
17:22.27koenCoreDump|home: have you installed http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=28051 ?
17:22.31CoreDump|homehttp://hentges.net/tmp/screenshots/Zaurus/Akita/Enlightenment/03-FEB-06/e-03.jpg
17:22.48CoreDump|homepoli: lol no
17:23.01poliOh not again!
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17:23.26CoreDump|homekoen: hmm no
17:24.34koenpoli: in case you have to reflash: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/gpe-image-v0.8.3-ipaq-pxa270.rootfs.jffs2
17:24.53koenthat one has a fixed busybox
17:25.07polikoen: oh thank you! :) I just got a wget: no response from server
17:25.22poliLets hope all gets okay in the end.
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17:28.27CoreDump|hometo be honest, I like the GPE apps but can't stand matchbox
17:28.57koenI tried other wms, but they all suck with a touchscreen
17:30.44CoreDump|homee-wm is quite usable (IMO). the only thing lacking is support for icons on the desktop
17:31.40florian_kcCoreDump|home: Use matchbox-desktop with it...
17:31.50CoreDump|homeheh
17:31.59koendouble rooted window?
17:34.15CoreDump|homehmmm
17:34.26koenshould I add http://pitivi.sourceforge.net/ to OE?
17:34.28florian_kcIt works with metacity... so if e-wm honors the correct flag it should just work.
17:34.57CoreDump|homehttp://handhelds.org/scap/port.20665.png
17:35.03CoreDump|homeit dosn't
17:35.34koenwhat happens if you start it before e-wm?
17:35.54florian_kc:-/
17:36.22hrw|workkoen: probably same will happen
17:37.04koenflorian_kc: gpe-appmgr -r ?
17:37.14florian_kci guess so... looke like it doesn't know about that hint to stay in background.
17:38.04CoreDump|homekoen: doesn't work
17:38.21florian_kckoen: i have some fear that it is using the same mechanism.
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17:40.05florian_kcbbl
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17:43.00CoreDump|homethe one thing I love about ewm is that I can minimize / maximize windows =)
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18:12.27koenhey poli
18:12.30koenhey pH5
18:12.44polihey koen :)
18:12.48pH5hey koen
18:12.50pH5hey poli
18:13.19polihey pH5
18:26.57danilhow can I run touch-screen calibration from the command line?
18:28.58koenDISPLAY=:0 xtscal
18:31.32danilkoen, thanks!
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18:35.15danilAlso need a hint where to start looking for a solution to the following problem. After adding extra 16Mb of memory as explained here and rebooting iPAQ I cannot login as the onscreen keyboard is missing :(. Can it be because of the old home directories from my previous Familiar installation?
18:37.10danilsorry, "here" should be read as "on http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/ExtraMb"
18:38.33koen5
18:38.35koenoops
18:38.56koendanil: could be, you could try logging in over serial and look at /home
18:43.56danilkoen, renaming /home/root to something else helped. Interesting that migration between previous versions of Familiar did not rise this problem..
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18:50.16koensweet: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.27903.png
18:52.54koenhmmm
18:53.07koengpe-contacts doesn't merge duplicates
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18:55.21law_koen: could you try to send an contact or calendar entry to some bluetooth device
18:55.29law_i always get segfault :-(
18:55.46koenI just used 'send my vcard' in gpe-bluetooth
18:56.37pb__law_: what version of gpe-bluetooth do you have, and what version of dbus?
18:57.03koensending a contacts works
18:57.12koenalthough I've found a bug
18:57.25koen'send via bluetooth' doesn't turn on the bt-radio
18:57.38pb__ah yeah, it should do
18:57.46koenbut gives a cryptic message about dying unexpectedly
18:59.14pb__file a bug, assign it to me, and I'll take a look at that later on
18:59.42law_pb__: gpe-bluetooth 0.51-r0 dbus 0.60-r0
18:59.53koenwho should I assign gpe-contacts/libcontacts db bugs?
19:00.11pb__law_: is it gpe-bluetooth that crashes, or the sending application?
19:00.26pb__I fixed some dbus-0.60 bugs yesterday, but gpe-contacts and gpe-calendar will probably still segfault with that version of dbus
19:00.42pb__I think gpe-contacts is okay in cvs now, it just needs a new release.  gpe-calendar and gpe-todo are probably still hosed even in cvs.
19:00.58pb__koen: assign them to florian and put me in cc
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19:02.31law_pb__: so i have to wait for a dbus 0.60 compatible version?
19:02.45law_same problem with gpe-filemanager
19:03.32pb__yeah, it seems
19:03.44pb__someone (maybe ph5) patched all the apps to compile with the new dbus, but it turns out that they don't actually work all that well
19:04.11pb__it's pretty easy to fix them, though.  I'll try to do that in the next couple of days.
19:04.30pb__bbl
19:08.29koenbug 1523 and 1524 submitted
19:08.46koenI'll bet florian is going to mention the device control framework again ;)
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19:25.49koenand another bug bites the dust
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19:32.51Philippeevening all
19:32.56koenhey Philippe
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19:37.21mimecarhi
19:37.28kammicazzehi, little question. is it possible to do wpa on a familiar based ipaq5400? I know under wince it isn't possible, but i don't know if it is a driver problem or a pocket pc 2002 problem.
19:39.33mimecarWPA is an option of the wifi card
19:39.55mimecarif WIFI doesn't support it, operating system can't support ir
19:40.36kammicazzeok, but maybe it wasn't possible under pocketpc2002, but the card was able too
19:40.54kammicazzemaybe someone here already tested it
19:41.46mimecarthen, is a problem of wince,
19:42.09koenyou can make it work in wince with an updated firmware
19:42.20koenbut afaik nobody has made it work in linux
19:42.38koenthe h5400-port mailinglist archives have some info
19:42.38kammicazzekoen, ok, thx
19:43.14kammicazzesince i've put the linux boot loader, i can't put any wince firmware back on the device :(
19:43.44kammicazzeis that a know issue?
19:44.41koenno idea
19:44.47koenI've never cared for wince
19:44.59kammicazze:)
19:47.44mimecarI'm tired
19:47.46mimecar:(
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19:49.21mimecarkammicazze: have you a pocket ?
19:49.34kammicazzeyep
19:50.08kammicazzei had gpe on it but putted wince back for tomtom
19:50.25kammicazzeif only i could run tomtom on gpe :(
19:50.28mimecaryou can use both systems
19:51.14kammicazzeis it? if i boot wince back, i will have to install everything back i think
19:51.19mimecarbut you will lost ram data after reboot
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19:51.24kammicazze:)
19:51.34mimecarcan you backup all data on wince ?
19:51.51kammicazzeyep, to a file, but takes time to resore
19:51.57kammicazzerestore*
19:52.28mimecarand tomto is an important app...
19:53.05kammicazzeyes, for me it is :(
19:53.12kammicazzegps navigator
19:53.27pb_best to contact tomtom and request that they release their software for linux
19:53.45kammicazzepb_ :), that would be very nice
19:54.01pb_well, be sure to tell them
19:54.08Philippekammicazze, that should not be too much work as their Tomtom go's already run Linux
19:54.23kammicazzepb_, and it even shouldn't be such a big trick because on their stand alone systems they run linux
19:54.32kammicazzePhilippe, :)
19:54.41kammicazzePhilippe, you can type quicker :)
19:55.54mimecarthe fastest writer on the channel ;)
19:56.29Philippe:-)
19:56.37mimecarxDDDD
19:56.54mimecarwhat 'qualities' ? :)
19:57.20Philippes/qualities/skills
19:57.58mimecaryes...
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19:58.54koen|tvflorian: wb
19:58.57florianre
19:58.59mreimerhello all
19:59.03koen|tvhey mreimer
19:59.06florianhi mreimer
19:59.09mreimerhey koen|tv, florian
20:00.02pb_hi mrc3
20:00.04pb_er, mreimer
20:00.07pb_hi florian
20:00.07mreimerhi pb_
20:03.30pb_florian: I checked in a patch that I hope will fix that thing with recurring events that we talked about yesterday
20:03.49florianpb_: oh pretty good!
20:05.03pb_:-(
20:05.10pb_yah, I got stuck with the lawyers almost all afternoon
20:06.05koen|tvflorian: you can push changes to the release branch if you want to
20:06.20florianThe best thing i got today was a request for help translating a description for a welding machine.
20:06.34floriankoen|tv: ah prefect - many thanks!
20:06.57pb_florian: !
20:10.22florianCooler
20:10.25florianoops
20:10.32florianwrong #
20:11.22florianhehe
20:11.56florianpb_: We need to make it a little bit smaller... http://handhelds.org/scap/port.6014.png
20:12.28pb_heh, yes
20:12.55pb_it actually seems about the right size on my hx4700, contrary to what pH5 seemed to be saying yesterday
20:13.10pb_I think the default for qvga should be a bit smaller
20:13.54florianheh well okay :-)
20:16.44pH5pb:
20:16.47pH5whoops
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20:17.00pH5pb_: probably that's just me then
20:17.18pb_heh
20:17.31pb_well, I guess it's a matter of taste as much as anything
20:17.36pb_probably should make that a theme parameter
20:18.36pH5pb_: right, maybe there's just no way to make this suit everyone's taste (and pointing abilities) at the same time
20:20.46dj_segfaultHi.  I have a Zaurus Sl-5500 now, and am thinking of replacing it with a Nokia 770, both of which can run GPE.  I understand the GPE PIM apps are pretty much ready for prime-time, but syncing is not implemented yet.  Is that the case?
20:21.45floriandj_segfault: Well... its more complicated:
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20:22.05florian- GPE runs on the 770 if you like, but the device isn't perfectly supported yet.
20:22.29florian- Some core GPE applications are ported to Maemo which comes with the 770.
20:22.41dj_segfaultWhat about on the Zaurus?
20:23.04florian(so maybe you want to say running Maemo for the moment or improve support for the 770)
20:23.47florianSyncing seems to work pretty nice using _latest_ libraries (and latest Opensync release).
20:23.55dj_segfaultAnd since the apps use sqlite behind them, has anyone written something to sync two copies once they're on the same machine
20:24.01florianThe Zaurus works pretty good the last time i tried.
20:24.05dj_segfaultWhat does it sync with?
20:25.07dj_segfault(rephrasing more specifically) If I ran GPE calendar and address book on the Zaurus, what could I sync to under Linux desktop?
20:25.15florianGPE of course, Evolution, some SyncML based clients, Opie and some KDE stuff
20:25.37dj_segfaultOK, maybe it's worth giving it a try.  Thanks.
20:26.08dj_segfaultOpenZaurus is supposed to have another release soon, which should have the latest GPE.
20:26.11dj_segfaultI'
20:26.22dj_segfaultI'll load that on the Zaurus when it's available.
20:26.45floriandj_segfault: yes indeed...
20:39.32francere-hi
20:40.09florianhi france
20:40.22koen|tvhey france
20:40.45koen|tvflorian: did you commit your gpesyncd changes already?
20:42.17franceflorian: hi
20:42.17francekoen|tv: hi
20:45.06floriankoen|tv: no changes, we had outdated libgpevtype bits in oe...
20:51.01koen|tvbrb, gotta pickup my gf from the station
20:59.33koen|tvre
21:00.08florianhmm fast :-)
21:00.24koen|tvcloseby station :)
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21:26.29florianhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/02/06/linux-on-treo-650-gets-real/
21:27.51Philippelooks good!
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21:28.34florianyep - we should have a collection of things like this on the website :-)
21:28.40florianhey lamikr
21:28.58Philippehei lamikr , hyvää iltaa.
21:29.04florian*g*
21:29.04lamikrHi florian, it's been a while...
21:29.08lamikrHi Philippe.
21:29.34florianlamikr: yes indeed, but glad to see you are still alive :-)
21:30.16lamikrWell, I have desperately tried to work with alsa driver and have therefore avoided irc :-)
21:30.22Philippelama, so how are things? (miten menee?)
21:31.27lamikrno asiat on hiukka edistynyt, but not too much. So I gave up and desired that irc avoiding is not the solution :-)
21:31.38florian:-)
21:32.58lamikrSo gpe 2.7 is released. Congrats! Sorry for not for taking part for that.
21:33.19Philippelamikr, well florian felt like it and suddenly there it was!
21:33.33lamikr"no asiat on hiuka edistynyt = well, things have progressed a little bit"
21:33.59Philippelamikr, kiitos :-)
21:34.23lamikrWell, Philippe now you have seen Finish winter, have you enjoyed from -30 degree?
21:34.28florianlamikr: thanks - but no reason to be sorry for :-)
21:34.30Philippelamikr, and IRC is usually a good resource if you quickly need to know something.
21:34.56Philippelamikr, it is not too bad. I had to buy no gloves, but had no use for thermal underwear yet...
21:35.18Philippeat least the bastard part is true :-)
21:37.19florian:-)
21:39.56Philippelamikr, I had some similar problem last thursday. I left to work in a sweater as it was only -2, by the time I got back from Finnish class it was -12...I don't think I will ever try that again...
21:42.23lamikrOn friday it was here -25 and I really forget to check the temperature when I started biking. When I came home after 15 minutes, my ears were almost like a frozen ice sticks.
21:44.28Philippelamikr, painful!
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21:44.44lamikrIs there anything I could do for fossdem? I have not yet bought any tickets, but...
21:45.39PhilippeWell it is worth visiting...
21:46.04PhilippeNo special GPE hacker meetings planned but we could always try to go for a beer together
21:46.49lamikrYes, that would be nice. Are there many people coming from handhelds?
21:47.48florianWith some lock i might be able to attend for a day, if my son is fast enough ;-)
21:47.55lamikrhow about you florian,  do you come there?
21:48.22lamikrOh, so you are getting a baby???
21:48.54florianlamikr: yes :-) thats one reason why it isn't that likely that i'll make it this year.
21:49.24florianBut anyway we should have some GPE meeting this year...
21:49.25Philippeflorian is really a special kind of human, super coder, and now he just admitted to be capable of child-birth...
21:49.44florian*g*
21:49.56koenand he's always smiling!
21:50.00Philippeflorian, I'll see what the big N can do about that. There has been some talking about it...
21:50.41lamikrHi koen? Are you coming to fosdemm?
21:50.46koenlamikr: yes!
21:51.05florianPhilippe: hmm cool, some general mobile X hacker meeting? :-)
21:51.14koenlamikr: take a look at http://www.fosdem.org/2006/index/dev_room_embedded ;)
21:51.18PhilippeHe'd better show up... He is giving a talk in my devroom!
21:51.30florian:-)
21:51.36Philippeflorian, I don't know exactly but I will be pushing stuff
21:51.51florianPhilippe: cool
21:52.05lamikrNice! But I think I still need to be happy for making good decision even he fails to be similarly thre.
21:52.20PhilippeAnd this might be nice too : http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEmbeddedWorkSessionExtremadura2006
21:52.27koenyay!
21:52.36koenmichaelo is also attending fosdem
21:52.47koenhaven't talked to him for a long while
21:52.59florian~lart welding machines
21:53.04pb_michaelo lives?  awesome
21:53.27koen'Optimizing the Linux kernel and applications for speed, space, ram,
21:53.28koenpower and cost, by: Michael Opdenacker'
21:53.43pb_ah, very good
21:54.29florianpb_: :-)
21:54.33lamikrkoen: I know Hector Oron from em debian who was first in the list. We had good chat in last summer when debconf was arranged in Helsinki.
21:54.35koennow we just need marcusbrutus, joshua  and mreimer in brussels to complete the good old h2200 clan
21:54.49mreimerthat would be excellent :-)
21:54.58lamikr... I have just failed always to go to emdebian irc channel :-(
21:55.09florianmreimer: hmm where are you located?
21:55.44Philippelamikr, I'll say hello to him :-)
21:56.03lamikrPhilippe: to emdebian irc?
21:56.50mreimerflorian: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=shelton,+wa&ll=47.20863,-123.072862&spn=43.768066,102.744141&t=k
21:59.07Philippelamikr, yes. I hang out there too :-)
22:00.07lamikrOk, I collected my courage and joined there too :-)
22:00.42florianmreimer: hmm... your travel to fosdem is a little bit longer than mine.
22:00.44Philippelamikr, Hector = zumbi but he is away atm...
22:00.45mreimer:-)
22:01.17florian:-)
22:01.53florianmreimer: for me it is about 300km :-) three hours by car... if i obey the speed limit.
22:02.00koenmreimer: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/maps/OE.php
22:02.39lamikrIn finland it is 230 km and 3 hour... (80 - 100 km speed limits)
22:04.09mreimerhmm, OE.php isn't rendering in firefox 1.5.0.1. Does it need flash or svg?
22:04.18koenneither
22:05.56koenmreimer: try http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/maps/
22:06.02koenthat has some nicer generated html
22:07.16mreimerdoesn't want to render either
22:07.22koenhmmm
22:07.38koenshould be using the same googlemaps stuff as your link
22:07.42mreimerchecking javascript console...
22:07.56mreimerError: Error in parsing value for property 'z-index'.  Declaration dropped.
22:08.25mreimerah well
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22:08.30koenheh
22:08.39koenz-index is on googles side
22:11.10Philippenight all
22:11.13mreimernight Philippe
22:11.17koen'night Philippe
22:11.26florianPhilippe: good night
22:11.33lamikrPhilippe good night!
22:17.43koenmreimer: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/images/maps.jpg
22:18.49mreimerkoen: sweet!
22:18.58mreimerbut how do you read those menus?
22:19.00mreimer;-)
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22:37.43koenmreimer: could you mail me an ide-non-removable patch that apples to .13-hh1?
22:37.46koen'night all
22:37.55mreimernight koen.
22:37.57polikoen|sleep: night
22:37.57mreimerkoen|sleep: yes
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23:03.31reenooevening
23:03.49pb_hi reenoo
23:03.57reenoohey pb_
23:05.43florianhi reenoo
23:07.30reenoomoin florian
23:32.50florianNow a little bit more food and then i'll bash Multisync...
23:34.26pb_florian: do you have any more changes that should be added before releasing a new gpe-contacts?
23:35.53florianpb_: i'll end in talking about bashing Multisync for a whole week before even looking at the code ;-)
23:36.15pb_florian: :-}
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23:38.56florianhrm... hh.org bugzilla complains about missing javascript support in my browser
23:39.04florian~lart bugzilla
23:40.34pb_reenoo: what's the status with bug 1469; have all the unstripped binaries been eliminated now?
23:41.29reenoopb_: if everything's been rebuilt with the new package.bbclass, yes. otherwise, probably not.
23:42.16pb_okay.  I don't think everything has been rebuilt yet.
23:42.30florianpb_: hmm no contacts bugs left?
23:42.34pb_at a minimum, the affected packages will need their PR bumped so that the updates actually get installed
23:42.57pb_florian: not in the 0.8.3 list.  let me do a full search.
23:44.08pb_three contacts bugs in total: 1475, 1489 and 1523
23:45.37reenoopb_: yeah. I guess one could write a script that downloads the entire feed and searches for offending packages. I'll try to look into that as soon as I have a bit of spare time (busy with various assignment and project deadlines and learning for exams for the next two weeks it seems)
23:45.54pb_reenoo: okay, excellent, thanks
23:46.26pb_florian: 1489 seems to be maemo specific, and 1523 is tricky to solve
23:46.29florianpb_: ah... looks like i need to log in to amke queries work...
23:46.39pb_1475 might be worth fixing though
23:46.42reenoopb_: I'll also make it search for x86 binaries >:)
23:46.52pb_reenoo: heh, good idea
23:48.26florianpb_: yes right, 1489 is something for maemo and is everything but important.
23:49.08florianpb_: #1523 might be a pretty intereting thing but too complex for one night.
23:50.52pb_right
23:51.00florianpb_: #1475 would be useful to have fixed. i think this would involve to ensure all name fields are set up completely on import (and if necessary on edit).
23:51.30florianhmm... hh.org cvs sufferes from slowness again...
23:51.49florianfrance: did you have success with the new cvs machines?
23:57.55pb_florian: righto.  I'll wait with releasing the new version for now, so that we can try to fix 1475.
23:58.28pb_night all
23:58.28franceflorian: I am running the final test as we speak
23:58.31francepb_: nite
23:58.43pb_france: hello... and good night
23:58.46reenoo'night pb_
23:58.51reenoohey france
23:58.52franceturning off anoncvs on h7, for the final sync.
23:58.56francereenoo: hi
23:59.01francepb_: nite
23:59.21florianpb_: good night
23:59.51franceflorian: I sort of spiked the load average from 30 to 40 while syncing.
23:59.55florianpb_: should i trigger a new release? even #1475 would be some work...

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