00:02.50 | reenoo | pb_: are there any funds for the bounties already? (good idea btw) |
00:02.50 | CoreDump|home | florian_: looking at gpe-shield now. The one thing I've noticed is that it needs an su wrapper |
00:03.22 | florian_ | Hmm i think i should remove some old libgpewidget releases from oe. |
00:03.35 | florian_ | CoreDump|home: it should be installed suid root. |
00:03.47 | CoreDump|home | wasn't for me =) |
00:04.27 | florian_ | pb_: btw... i maneged to make gpe-calendar die opening the time selector several times. |
00:04.36 | pb_ | reenoo: I'm not sure. I don't have any identified funds yet, but it's a small enough amount of money that I don't expect to have too much of a problem. |
00:04.39 | florian_ | s/maneged/managed |
00:04.53 | pb_ | florian_: oh dear. can you get a backtrace? |
00:06.14 | florian_ | i didn't try so far, i just noticed during playing... |
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00:06.30 | pb_ | okay |
00:08.59 | reenoo | pb_: ok, cool |
00:09.12 | reenoo | 'night all |
00:09.42 | florian_ | reenoo: good night |
00:14.01 | pb_ | night all |
00:14.53 | florian_ | pb_: good night |
00:15.09 | florian_ | hmm... good idea - good night all |
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08:16.48 | koen | good morning all |
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08:49.54 | koen | hey zecke |
08:50.18 | koen | zecke: does the new semester start now in Germany? |
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08:55.36 | XorA | morning |
08:55.37 | koen | hey XorA |
08:57.21 | XorA | so whats new in GPE ville |
08:57.36 | koen | some new releases |
08:58.30 | XorA | some interesting discussions re networking |
08:58.51 | XorA | if people follow up, GPE will have better network config than desktop PC setups |
09:00.44 | zecke | koen: no, it is about to end |
09:00.49 | koen | and most importantly: you could use in on your (debian) desktop as well |
09:01.11 | koen | zecke: so you're still in the assignments and deadlines hell |
09:01.23 | zecke | koen: for the next three weeks my fellow students have the exams.. |
09:01.44 | zecke | and I need to arrange my dates for the tests :} |
09:01.45 | zecke | cya |
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09:36.40 | koen | ciao bedboi |
09:36.50 | bedboi | hey koen |
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09:53.59 | Russ | so these new gpe-calendar, gpe-bluetooth, gpe-firewall, etc packages |
09:54.11 | Russ | where well they show up as built packages? |
09:54.27 | zecke | re |
09:55.11 | koen | Russ: they are already in the familiar 0.8.3 feeds |
09:55.23 | Russ | ah |
09:55.24 | Russ | cool |
09:55.54 | Russ | I really hoped they fixed that thing where everytime you open gpe-calendar around the time an alarm will go off, it goes off |
09:55.59 | Russ | and then when you exit, goes off again |
09:56.06 | Russ | er, I really hope |
09:56.46 | Russ | also, quick question, my ipaq 3870 doesn't seem to be able to keep very good time |
09:56.50 | Russ | is there anything that can be done? |
09:57.03 | koen | hmmm, hh.org is being slow again |
09:58.20 | hrw|work | morning |
10:02.16 | hrw|work | during weekend I used gpe calendar/summary on collie - looks quite nice but needs some quirks |
10:02.49 | hrw|work | once summary does not show events for day (I just insert events in calendar and started summary) |
10:03.21 | hrw|work | 'reminder' type of events can be set to date/time but are shown on top of day view instead on choosen time. |
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10:10.38 | alan|home | morning |
10:10.54 | koen | hey alan|home |
10:11.33 | alan|home | hey hey koen |
10:19.40 | alan|home | guys, in gpe-miwser, is there a way to enter a login/password ? (for my modem/router; for example, a popup windows should be displaied, but it doesn't...) |
10:20.18 | koen | popups don't work yet |
10:20.52 | alan|home | ok, so shall i use something with the adress, or anything else ? |
10:22.29 | koen | you'd have to ask Philippe |
10:22.53 | hrw|work | alan|home: http://user:pass@server:port/path/ |
10:23.14 | alan|home | hrw|work: you are a Bible to me ^^ |
10:23.59 | koen | hrw|work: did you find a band? |
10:24.14 | hrw|work | koen: we have two to choice |
10:26.43 | koen | the circuit breaker didn't trip and the washing machine still works.... |
10:31.09 | koen | ~lart teletop.utwente.nl |
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10:32.51 | koen | hey florian_kc |
10:33.33 | koen | florian_kc: I just checked how Apple's iCal handles editing recurring events |
10:33.56 | rob_w|mobil | koen, can you name me the fall back site of openembedded.org ? |
10:34.47 | koen | florian_kc: before editing it pops up a warning and giving 3 options: "don't edit", "edit only this occurence" (which disconnects it from the main event) and "edit everywhere" (which edits the main occurence) |
10:34.59 | koen | rob_w|mobil: oe.handhelds.org and bugs.treke.net |
10:35.23 | florian_kc | good morning |
10:35.30 | rob_w|mobil | thanks |
10:36.05 | florian_kc | koen: ah cool thanks - that would be another method. |
10:36.17 | florian_kc | rob_w|mobil: rock! |
10:37.55 | rob_w|mobil | yep |
10:38.50 | hrw|work | koen: many PIM apps do it in that style iirc |
10:39.33 | koen | hrw|work: I've always used a paper agenda |
10:39.50 | koen | and briefly used evo2 + windows ce |
10:39.59 | hrw|work | ah |
10:40.35 | rob_w|mobil | hmm i miss the GettingStarted page there |
10:45.06 | pb__ | florian_kc: good morning! |
10:47.25 | pb__ | rob_w|mobil: very good! |
10:49.38 | rob_w|mobil | yeah guys .. soon i will hopefully row into the "SuccessStory Page" |
10:53.00 | koen | rob_w|mobil: http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GettingStarted |
10:53.04 | florian_kc | koen: Looks interesting... |
10:53.10 | florian_kc | pb__: hi! |
10:53.28 | rob_w|mobil | koen, thanks again |
10:55.39 | florian_kc | koen: what's the price of this nice toy? |
10:57.11 | koen | florian_kc: $125 according to the site, but I'm getting one on loan to make an OE work for that board |
10:57.22 | florian_kc | koen: cool |
10:58.18 | florian_kc | koen: thats really not that expensive... |
10:58.22 | XorA | thats a nice little board |
11:00.04 | koen | once it works we'll try to make an eabi/gcc 4.1 rootfs |
11:00.14 | XorA | hmm, tv-out, math co pro, wonder how fast mplayer would go |
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11:08.10 | pb__ | koen: it should do, I build with gcc4 all the time on my laptop |
11:08.24 | koen | cool |
11:17.40 | rob_w|mobil | pheww boost again takes too long .. wasnet there a binary somewhere ? |
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11:31.18 | _law_ | hi |
11:31.29 | koen | hey lama |
11:31.37 | koen | _law_ that is |
11:31.51 | _law_ | hi koen |
11:32.43 | _law_ | is it possible to write calendar days with appointments bold in the overview? |
11:38.31 | hrw|work | who maintain gpe-calendar |
11:38.32 | hrw|work | ? |
11:39.25 | koen | pb__, florian_kc and bedboi work on it |
11:39.34 | hrw|work | thx |
11:39.53 | hrw|work | I used it during weekend and found some lacks.. |
11:40.08 | _law_ | is it also possible set monday as "week start" |
11:40.26 | hrw|work | 1. when I hold on event I got info with title/note + edit/delete actions - but it lack 'location' ;( |
11:43.09 | hrw|work | 2. compressed day view would be great - ony hours with events but in a way that more text from events could be shown |
11:43.56 | _law_ | hmm in weekview it begins with monday |
11:45.41 | florian_kc | hrw|work, koen: and pb_ |
11:45.49 | florian_kc | ;-) |
11:46.33 | _law_ | if i edit an appointment there should be the text in the window title... |
11:48.18 | _law_ | every category should have another color |
11:48.22 | hrw|work | _law_: and if I change start time then endtime should change too.. 14:00 - 15:00 should be 16:00 - 17:00 when I change starttime |
11:48.27 | koen | yes, colours!!! |
11:49.05 | _law_ | perhaps we should make a todo list |
11:49.09 | florian_kc | hrw|work: |
11:49.13 | florian_kc | eh |
11:49.44 | florian_kc | hrw|work: Location in the info is a good idea. |
11:49.47 | hrw|work | koen: which dbus will be in fam 083? |
11:50.10 | hrw|work | florian_kc: very good - I had meetings with wedding bands and has to go into edit to see where I have to go |
11:51.03 | hrw|work | gpe-summary with 'show two days' option will be nice (or two = few) |
11:51.08 | florian_kc | hrw|work: that compressed view would be nice too, we had this before we introduced the rendered day view. that needs to come back. |
11:51.12 | koen | hrw|work: pb_ and I are looking at putting in 0.60, but till that time 0.23.4 is 'the one' |
11:52.09 | florian_kc | hrw|work, _law_: A todo list is a good idea, maybe just some enhancement bugs to ensure we don't forget all good ideas. |
11:52.41 | koen | like the colours!!! |
11:53.29 | pb__ | I'm starting to think now that we should just ship 0.8.3 with dbus 0.23, and try to put 0.60 in familiar 0.8.4. |
11:54.11 | pb__ | kind of depends on how the timing of everything else works out, but most users won't notice any immediate improvements from the new dbus at the moment. |
11:54.53 | florian_kc | koen: i thought i pushed a pile of new gpe packages last night, i wonder where these hang out. |
11:55.08 | koen | florian_kc: no idea, but I did the same this morning |
12:08.22 | florian_kc | koen: looks liek something went wrong on my box - but i still have a small present for you: a patch to make libgpewidget build out of the box. |
12:09.17 | florian_kc | koen: and some minor tweaks and improvements. |
12:12.05 | rob_w|mobil | help -- it now seems boost didnt build his "plugin" as monotone configure misses all the boost_filesystem* |
12:13.37 | koen | florian_kc: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=b4e9600aa7012eb3775079189eeb8d2fe9fcd757 |
12:14.20 | florian_kc | koen: my solution is better :-) |
12:14.32 | rob_w|mobil | ah i think i found the instructions |
12:16.30 | florian_kc | koen: and i removed a pile of old versions |
12:17.31 | pb__ | florian_kc: heh, almost any solution would be better than this one |
12:18.48 | florian_kc | koen: did you make your dev tree build again |
12:19.09 | koen | florian_kc: no, that would need a new version of bitbake |
12:19.18 | koen | and I don't want to break my familiar builds |
12:21.47 | koen | oh dear |
12:24.00 | pb__ | what's the latest image for those? |
12:25.23 | koen | if you have 15 minutes i'll assemble one |
12:28.33 | pb__ | thanks |
12:29.26 | florian_kc | koen: okay... here we go... |
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12:32.14 | koen | NOTE: package gpe-image-1.0-r20: task do_rootfs: started |
12:33.20 | florian_kc | ~lart monotone.vanille.de |
12:33.35 | koen | heh |
12:34.39 | koen | push to dominion or ewi |
12:34.56 | koen | those machines don't run python stuff which increases load average to 12 |
12:35.15 | koen | or 'Durchschnittslast' in german |
12:35.34 | florian_kc | heh |
12:36.03 | florian_kc | Looks like i got a timeout |
12:36.14 | koen | monotone: allowed 'florian@openembedded.org' write permission for 'org.openembedded.dev' excluding '' |
12:36.17 | koen | monotone: finding items to synchronize: |
12:36.19 | koen | monotone: certs | keys | revisions |
12:36.22 | koen | monotone: 12.806 | 42 | 4.191 |
12:36.24 | koen | monotone: verifying new revisions (this may take a while) |
12:36.38 | koen | where 'a while' depends on said python stuff |
12:37.19 | florian_kc | whatever it means with "revisions" i'm pushing 7 |
12:37.47 | koen | it triggered 7 ciabots by the looks of it |
12:37.56 | florian_kc | :-) |
12:40.14 | koen | pb__: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/gpe-image-v0.8.3-ipaq-pxa270.rootfs.jffs2 |
12:40.14 | koen | shouldn't need a new kernel |
12:40.25 | koen | but if it does: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/zImage-2.6.13-hh1+cvs20051221-ipaq-pxa270-20060203215203 |
12:43.02 | florian_kc | koen: okay, ewi works... |
12:45.56 | pb__ | thanks |
12:46.15 | pb__ | now I just have to track down my cf reader |
12:48.53 | pb__ | I wonder what I can have done with it. I remember picking it up from my desk at home to bring it to the office, but now I can't find it in either place. |
12:49.48 | pb__ | oh wait, here it is. hurrah! |
12:50.04 | pb__ | seems it was concealed under a pile of general stuff |
12:51.43 | florian_kc | hmm... "general stuff"... :-) |
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13:12.34 | koen | hey johnX |
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13:22.04 | florian_kc | koen: did you tell this guy about Familiar and how it is built? |
13:22.21 | koen | no |
13:22.33 | koen | I read 'simulator' and got scared |
13:22.42 | florian_kc | koen: okay... then i'll add a note about this too :-) |
13:22.50 | florian_kc | hehe indeed |
13:24.15 | koen | although it isn't my idea |
13:24.26 | koen | dns-sd for opensync and gpe-syncd |
13:24.59 | hrw|work | dsn-sd? |
13:25.20 | pb__ | no, dns-sd |
13:25.47 | hrw|work | ok. found |
13:26.00 | pb__ | hail zecke |
13:26.03 | koen | or 'bonjour' as my powerbook likes to call it |
13:26.44 | pb__ | yah, Bonjour (nee Rendezvous) is apple's name for that stuff. |
13:28.58 | pb__ | koen: yeah, that might indeed be appropriate for a bounty. probably only a small one, but still. |
13:39.43 | rob_w|mobil | raceback (most recent call last): |
13:39.43 | rob_w|mobil | <PROTECTED> |
13:39.43 | rob_w|mobil | <PROTECTED> |
13:39.43 | rob_w|mobil | ImportError: No module named bb |
13:39.51 | rob_w|mobil | is that a python problem ?? |
13:46.05 | rob_w|mobil | typo .. thanks for not answering ;-) |
13:46.58 | rob_w|mobil | hmm or not ... |
13:53.16 | pb__ | koen: x doesn't start in that image |
13:53.34 | koen | at first boot? |
13:53.37 | pb__ | at least, not on first boot |
13:53.44 | pb__ | I'll reset and try again |
13:53.50 | pb__ | is this still the tslib problem? |
13:54.02 | koen | udev problem afaik |
13:54.11 | pb__ | ah, yeah, now it works |
13:54.47 | pb__ | I'll file a bug for that; it's pretty important to get it fixed |
13:55.59 | pb__ | florian_kc: the gpe-conf timezone dialog looks pretty weird on the hx4700 |
13:56.18 | pb__ | it only fills about a quarter of the screen, so you just get what appears to be a disembodied window floating in a black void |
13:56.49 | pb__ | kind of seems like a bug that it waits for you to acknowledge that dialog before starting the rest of the system. |
14:05.13 | hrw|work | on vga landscape timezone selection also looks weird on first boot |
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14:33.16 | b_o_n_e_y | hi all |
14:35.02 | b_o_n_e_y | silly question I'm running familiar 0.8.3 with GPE on an IPAQ 2210 and I was wondering how I mount my CF card ? |
14:43.23 | florian_kc | pb__: okay... that needs some inestigation, i think i know what is going wrong. |
14:43.43 | koen | b_o_n_e_y: it should automount |
14:43.45 | florian_kc | b_o_n_e_y: isn't it mounted automatically? |
14:43.48 | florian_kc | :-) |
14:47.48 | b_o_n_e_y | doesn't appear to be - I have /dev/hda and /dev/hda1 but when I try a mount i get an unknown device error |
14:48.20 | b_o_n_e_y | the pcmcia settings show's is a fixed disk and ide-cs is loaded ok |
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14:54.19 | b_o_n_e_y | oops - lost my link for a moment there |
14:59.13 | florian_kc | b_o_n_e_y: hmm... which filesystem does the card use? |
14:59.19 | b_o_n_e_y | fat32 |
14:59.43 | koen | I suspect it's the ide-is-removable bug in 2.6.x |
14:59.54 | b_o_n_e_y | ? |
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15:49.55 | shadows | koen: things like expat do not cleanly compile with gcc4 in OE |
15:50.16 | koen | shadows: I thought RP fixed everything below matchbox |
15:50.28 | shadows | hmm |
15:50.50 | shadows | i tried specifying the gcc 4.0.2 compiler and it was complaining quite a lot |
15:51.15 | shadows | i'd like to help out with making things in OE gcc4 capable |
15:51.20 | koen | cool |
15:51.25 | shadows | i would want to see a newer branch of GCC HEAD though |
15:51.39 | shadows | my buildhost is amd64 and many things have been fixed in HEAD |
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15:57.39 | RP | I fixed everything up to a bootstrap-image and minimal xserver (inc matchbox iirc) |
15:58.43 | shadows | ah |
15:59.50 | hrw|work | opie-image also build with gcc4.0.2 (without konq/emb) |
16:00.40 | shadows | how difficult would it be to make a recent snapshot of gcc HEAD possible? |
16:02.02 | koen | not difficult, just tedious |
16:04.27 | rob_w|mobil | busybox still fails at me .. i can workaournd that ,but is are a magic spell for that ? |
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16:07.47 | XorA | damn #1503 is a pain |
16:09.13 | poli | XorA: I am just reflashing because I got a lost connection to the feed server. :) |
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16:11.16 | koen | hey jg & law_ |
16:11.37 | rob_w|mobil | XorA, is that the busybox one |
16:12.32 | poli | koen lol |
16:12.35 | hrw|work | I had a luck then.. upgraded busybox on c760 with ipkg install busybox.ipk |
16:12.44 | poli | Guess I am not *that* innocent, then. |
16:13.11 | koen | r32 -> newer is safe |
16:13.39 | koen | or with a recent ipkg it should be also safe |
16:17.00 | jg | koen: hi |
16:17.13 | poli | ~lart 4700 bootldr |
16:21.05 | poli | bootldr won't find 19 of 20 times the reflash.ctl file... and eve if it does find it, it just get rebooting of the reflash mode. |
16:27.11 | poli | Ok... that's very weird... Stopped auto-rebooting when I get connected to external power source. |
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17:01.12 | CoreDump|home | ipkg upgrade on flash stinks |
17:01.38 | poli | having to reflash stinks 2x more |
17:02.14 | hrw|work | using clamshell stinks |
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17:03.21 | CoreDump|home | well upgrade on a 200Mb rootfs isn't bad at all heh |
17:04.15 | CoreDump|home | hmmm |
17:04.17 | CoreDump|home | /dev/loop0 196.8M 75.3M 111.4M 40% / |
17:04.34 | CoreDump|home | that's e17 core image + GPE apps. 75.3Mb uncompressed |
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17:19.00 | koen | ee17 for eyecandy, gpe apps to make it usefull? |
17:19.39 | CoreDump|home | right |
17:22.08 | poli | should initscripts take a long time (more than 15 mins) to get downloaded? |
17:22.27 | koen | CoreDump|home: have you installed http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=28051 ? |
17:22.31 | CoreDump|home | http://hentges.net/tmp/screenshots/Zaurus/Akita/Enlightenment/03-FEB-06/e-03.jpg |
17:22.48 | CoreDump|home | poli: lol no |
17:23.01 | poli | Oh not again! |
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17:23.26 | CoreDump|home | koen: hmm no |
17:24.34 | koen | poli: in case you have to reflash: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/gpe-image-v0.8.3-ipaq-pxa270.rootfs.jffs2 |
17:24.53 | koen | that one has a fixed busybox |
17:25.07 | poli | koen: oh thank you! :) I just got a wget: no response from server |
17:25.22 | poli | Lets hope all gets okay in the end. |
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17:28.27 | CoreDump|home | to be honest, I like the GPE apps but can't stand matchbox |
17:28.57 | koen | I tried other wms, but they all suck with a touchscreen |
17:30.44 | CoreDump|home | e-wm is quite usable (IMO). the only thing lacking is support for icons on the desktop |
17:31.40 | florian_kc | CoreDump|home: Use matchbox-desktop with it... |
17:31.50 | CoreDump|home | heh |
17:31.59 | koen | double rooted window? |
17:34.15 | CoreDump|home | hmmm |
17:34.26 | koen | should I add http://pitivi.sourceforge.net/ to OE? |
17:34.28 | florian_kc | It works with metacity... so if e-wm honors the correct flag it should just work. |
17:34.57 | CoreDump|home | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.20665.png |
17:35.03 | CoreDump|home | it dosn't |
17:35.34 | koen | what happens if you start it before e-wm? |
17:35.54 | florian_kc | :-/ |
17:36.22 | hrw|work | koen: probably same will happen |
17:37.04 | koen | florian_kc: gpe-appmgr -r ? |
17:37.14 | florian_kc | i guess so... looke like it doesn't know about that hint to stay in background. |
17:38.04 | CoreDump|home | koen: doesn't work |
17:38.21 | florian_kc | koen: i have some fear that it is using the same mechanism. |
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17:40.05 | florian_kc | bbl |
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17:43.00 | CoreDump|home | the one thing I love about ewm is that I can minimize / maximize windows =) |
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18:12.27 | koen | hey poli |
18:12.30 | koen | hey pH5 |
18:12.44 | poli | hey koen :) |
18:12.48 | pH5 | hey koen |
18:12.50 | pH5 | hey poli |
18:13.19 | poli | hey pH5 |
18:26.57 | danil | how can I run touch-screen calibration from the command line? |
18:28.58 | koen | DISPLAY=:0 xtscal |
18:31.32 | danil | koen, thanks! |
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18:35.15 | danil | Also need a hint where to start looking for a solution to the following problem. After adding extra 16Mb of memory as explained here and rebooting iPAQ I cannot login as the onscreen keyboard is missing :(. Can it be because of the old home directories from my previous Familiar installation? |
18:37.10 | danil | sorry, "here" should be read as "on http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/ExtraMb" |
18:38.33 | koen | 5 |
18:38.35 | koen | oops |
18:38.56 | koen | danil: could be, you could try logging in over serial and look at /home |
18:43.56 | danil | koen, renaming /home/root to something else helped. Interesting that migration between previous versions of Familiar did not rise this problem.. |
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18:50.16 | koen | sweet: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.27903.png |
18:52.54 | koen | hmmm |
18:53.07 | koen | gpe-contacts doesn't merge duplicates |
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18:55.21 | law_ | koen: could you try to send an contact or calendar entry to some bluetooth device |
18:55.29 | law_ | i always get segfault :-( |
18:55.46 | koen | I just used 'send my vcard' in gpe-bluetooth |
18:56.37 | pb__ | law_: what version of gpe-bluetooth do you have, and what version of dbus? |
18:57.03 | koen | sending a contacts works |
18:57.12 | koen | although I've found a bug |
18:57.25 | koen | 'send via bluetooth' doesn't turn on the bt-radio |
18:57.38 | pb__ | ah yeah, it should do |
18:57.46 | koen | but gives a cryptic message about dying unexpectedly |
18:59.14 | pb__ | file a bug, assign it to me, and I'll take a look at that later on |
18:59.42 | law_ | pb__: gpe-bluetooth 0.51-r0 dbus 0.60-r0 |
18:59.53 | koen | who should I assign gpe-contacts/libcontacts db bugs? |
19:00.11 | pb__ | law_: is it gpe-bluetooth that crashes, or the sending application? |
19:00.26 | pb__ | I fixed some dbus-0.60 bugs yesterday, but gpe-contacts and gpe-calendar will probably still segfault with that version of dbus |
19:00.42 | pb__ | I think gpe-contacts is okay in cvs now, it just needs a new release. gpe-calendar and gpe-todo are probably still hosed even in cvs. |
19:00.58 | pb__ | koen: assign them to florian and put me in cc |
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19:02.31 | law_ | pb__: so i have to wait for a dbus 0.60 compatible version? |
19:02.45 | law_ | same problem with gpe-filemanager |
19:03.32 | pb__ | yeah, it seems |
19:03.44 | pb__ | someone (maybe ph5) patched all the apps to compile with the new dbus, but it turns out that they don't actually work all that well |
19:04.11 | pb__ | it's pretty easy to fix them, though. I'll try to do that in the next couple of days. |
19:04.30 | pb__ | bbl |
19:08.29 | koen | bug 1523 and 1524 submitted |
19:08.46 | koen | I'll bet florian is going to mention the device control framework again ;) |
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19:25.49 | koen | and another bug bites the dust |
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19:32.51 | Philippe | evening all |
19:32.56 | koen | hey Philippe |
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19:37.21 | mimecar | hi |
19:37.28 | kammicazze | hi, little question. is it possible to do wpa on a familiar based ipaq5400? I know under wince it isn't possible, but i don't know if it is a driver problem or a pocket pc 2002 problem. |
19:39.33 | mimecar | WPA is an option of the wifi card |
19:39.55 | mimecar | if WIFI doesn't support it, operating system can't support ir |
19:40.36 | kammicazze | ok, but maybe it wasn't possible under pocketpc2002, but the card was able too |
19:40.54 | kammicazze | maybe someone here already tested it |
19:41.46 | mimecar | then, is a problem of wince, |
19:42.09 | koen | you can make it work in wince with an updated firmware |
19:42.20 | koen | but afaik nobody has made it work in linux |
19:42.38 | koen | the h5400-port mailinglist archives have some info |
19:42.38 | kammicazze | koen, ok, thx |
19:43.14 | kammicazze | since i've put the linux boot loader, i can't put any wince firmware back on the device :( |
19:43.44 | kammicazze | is that a know issue? |
19:44.41 | koen | no idea |
19:44.47 | koen | I've never cared for wince |
19:44.59 | kammicazze | :) |
19:47.44 | mimecar | I'm tired |
19:47.46 | mimecar | :( |
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19:49.21 | mimecar | kammicazze: have you a pocket ? |
19:49.34 | kammicazze | yep |
19:50.08 | kammicazze | i had gpe on it but putted wince back for tomtom |
19:50.25 | kammicazze | if only i could run tomtom on gpe :( |
19:50.28 | mimecar | you can use both systems |
19:51.14 | kammicazze | is it? if i boot wince back, i will have to install everything back i think |
19:51.19 | mimecar | but you will lost ram data after reboot |
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19:51.24 | kammicazze | :) |
19:51.34 | mimecar | can you backup all data on wince ? |
19:51.51 | kammicazze | yep, to a file, but takes time to resore |
19:51.57 | kammicazze | restore* |
19:52.28 | mimecar | and tomto is an important app... |
19:53.05 | kammicazze | yes, for me it is :( |
19:53.12 | kammicazze | gps navigator |
19:53.27 | pb_ | best to contact tomtom and request that they release their software for linux |
19:53.45 | kammicazze | pb_ :), that would be very nice |
19:54.01 | pb_ | well, be sure to tell them |
19:54.08 | Philippe | kammicazze, that should not be too much work as their Tomtom go's already run Linux |
19:54.23 | kammicazze | pb_, and it even shouldn't be such a big trick because on their stand alone systems they run linux |
19:54.32 | kammicazze | Philippe, :) |
19:54.41 | kammicazze | Philippe, you can type quicker :) |
19:55.54 | mimecar | the fastest writer on the channel ;) |
19:56.29 | Philippe | :-) |
19:56.37 | mimecar | xDDDD |
19:56.54 | mimecar | what 'qualities' ? :) |
19:57.20 | Philippe | s/qualities/skills |
19:57.58 | mimecar | yes... |
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19:58.54 | koen|tv | florian: wb |
19:58.57 | florian | re |
19:58.59 | mreimer | hello all |
19:59.03 | koen|tv | hey mreimer |
19:59.06 | florian | hi mreimer |
19:59.09 | mreimer | hey koen|tv, florian |
20:00.02 | pb_ | hi mrc3 |
20:00.04 | pb_ | er, mreimer |
20:00.07 | pb_ | hi florian |
20:00.07 | mreimer | hi pb_ |
20:03.30 | pb_ | florian: I checked in a patch that I hope will fix that thing with recurring events that we talked about yesterday |
20:03.49 | florian | pb_: oh pretty good! |
20:05.03 | pb_ | :-( |
20:05.10 | pb_ | yah, I got stuck with the lawyers almost all afternoon |
20:06.05 | koen|tv | florian: you can push changes to the release branch if you want to |
20:06.20 | florian | The best thing i got today was a request for help translating a description for a welding machine. |
20:06.34 | florian | koen|tv: ah prefect - many thanks! |
20:06.57 | pb_ | florian: ! |
20:10.22 | florian | Cooler |
20:10.25 | florian | oops |
20:10.32 | florian | wrong # |
20:11.22 | florian | hehe |
20:11.56 | florian | pb_: We need to make it a little bit smaller... http://handhelds.org/scap/port.6014.png |
20:12.28 | pb_ | heh, yes |
20:12.55 | pb_ | it actually seems about the right size on my hx4700, contrary to what pH5 seemed to be saying yesterday |
20:13.10 | pb_ | I think the default for qvga should be a bit smaller |
20:13.54 | florian | heh well okay :-) |
20:16.44 | pH5 | pb: |
20:16.47 | pH5 | whoops |
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20:17.00 | pH5 | pb_: probably that's just me then |
20:17.18 | pb_ | heh |
20:17.31 | pb_ | well, I guess it's a matter of taste as much as anything |
20:17.36 | pb_ | probably should make that a theme parameter |
20:18.36 | pH5 | pb_: right, maybe there's just no way to make this suit everyone's taste (and pointing abilities) at the same time |
20:20.46 | dj_segfault | Hi. I have a Zaurus Sl-5500 now, and am thinking of replacing it with a Nokia 770, both of which can run GPE. I understand the GPE PIM apps are pretty much ready for prime-time, but syncing is not implemented yet. Is that the case? |
20:21.45 | florian | dj_segfault: Well... its more complicated: |
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20:22.05 | florian | - GPE runs on the 770 if you like, but the device isn't perfectly supported yet. |
20:22.29 | florian | - Some core GPE applications are ported to Maemo which comes with the 770. |
20:22.41 | dj_segfault | What about on the Zaurus? |
20:23.04 | florian | (so maybe you want to say running Maemo for the moment or improve support for the 770) |
20:23.47 | florian | Syncing seems to work pretty nice using _latest_ libraries (and latest Opensync release). |
20:23.55 | dj_segfault | And since the apps use sqlite behind them, has anyone written something to sync two copies once they're on the same machine |
20:24.01 | florian | The Zaurus works pretty good the last time i tried. |
20:24.05 | dj_segfault | What does it sync with? |
20:25.07 | dj_segfault | (rephrasing more specifically) If I ran GPE calendar and address book on the Zaurus, what could I sync to under Linux desktop? |
20:25.15 | florian | GPE of course, Evolution, some SyncML based clients, Opie and some KDE stuff |
20:25.37 | dj_segfault | OK, maybe it's worth giving it a try. Thanks. |
20:26.08 | dj_segfault | OpenZaurus is supposed to have another release soon, which should have the latest GPE. |
20:26.11 | dj_segfault | I' |
20:26.22 | dj_segfault | I'll load that on the Zaurus when it's available. |
20:26.45 | florian | dj_segfault: yes indeed... |
20:39.32 | france | re-hi |
20:40.09 | florian | hi france |
20:40.22 | koen|tv | hey france |
20:40.45 | koen|tv | florian: did you commit your gpesyncd changes already? |
20:42.17 | france | florian: hi |
20:42.17 | france | koen|tv: hi |
20:45.06 | florian | koen|tv: no changes, we had outdated libgpevtype bits in oe... |
20:51.01 | koen|tv | brb, gotta pickup my gf from the station |
20:59.33 | koen|tv | re |
21:00.08 | florian | hmm fast :-) |
21:00.24 | koen|tv | closeby station :) |
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21:26.29 | florian | http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/06/linux-on-treo-650-gets-real/ |
21:27.51 | Philippe | looks good! |
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21:28.34 | florian | yep - we should have a collection of things like this on the website :-) |
21:28.40 | florian | hey lamikr |
21:28.58 | Philippe | hei lamikr , hyvää iltaa. |
21:29.04 | florian | *g* |
21:29.04 | lamikr | Hi florian, it's been a while... |
21:29.08 | lamikr | Hi Philippe. |
21:29.34 | florian | lamikr: yes indeed, but glad to see you are still alive :-) |
21:30.16 | lamikr | Well, I have desperately tried to work with alsa driver and have therefore avoided irc :-) |
21:30.22 | Philippe | lama, so how are things? (miten menee?) |
21:31.27 | lamikr | no asiat on hiukka edistynyt, but not too much. So I gave up and desired that irc avoiding is not the solution :-) |
21:31.38 | florian | :-) |
21:32.58 | lamikr | So gpe 2.7 is released. Congrats! Sorry for not for taking part for that. |
21:33.19 | Philippe | lamikr, well florian felt like it and suddenly there it was! |
21:33.33 | lamikr | "no asiat on hiuka edistynyt = well, things have progressed a little bit" |
21:33.59 | Philippe | lamikr, kiitos :-) |
21:34.23 | lamikr | Well, Philippe now you have seen Finish winter, have you enjoyed from -30 degree? |
21:34.28 | florian | lamikr: thanks - but no reason to be sorry for :-) |
21:34.30 | Philippe | lamikr, and IRC is usually a good resource if you quickly need to know something. |
21:34.56 | Philippe | lamikr, it is not too bad. I had to buy no gloves, but had no use for thermal underwear yet... |
21:35.18 | Philippe | at least the bastard part is true :-) |
21:37.19 | florian | :-) |
21:39.56 | Philippe | lamikr, I had some similar problem last thursday. I left to work in a sweater as it was only -2, by the time I got back from Finnish class it was -12...I don't think I will ever try that again... |
21:42.23 | lamikr | On friday it was here -25 and I really forget to check the temperature when I started biking. When I came home after 15 minutes, my ears were almost like a frozen ice sticks. |
21:44.28 | Philippe | lamikr, painful! |
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21:44.44 | lamikr | Is there anything I could do for fossdem? I have not yet bought any tickets, but... |
21:45.39 | Philippe | Well it is worth visiting... |
21:46.04 | Philippe | No special GPE hacker meetings planned but we could always try to go for a beer together |
21:46.49 | lamikr | Yes, that would be nice. Are there many people coming from handhelds? |
21:47.48 | florian | With some lock i might be able to attend for a day, if my son is fast enough ;-) |
21:47.55 | lamikr | how about you florian, do you come there? |
21:48.22 | lamikr | Oh, so you are getting a baby??? |
21:48.54 | florian | lamikr: yes :-) thats one reason why it isn't that likely that i'll make it this year. |
21:49.24 | florian | But anyway we should have some GPE meeting this year... |
21:49.25 | Philippe | florian is really a special kind of human, super coder, and now he just admitted to be capable of child-birth... |
21:49.44 | florian | *g* |
21:49.56 | koen | and he's always smiling! |
21:50.00 | Philippe | florian, I'll see what the big N can do about that. There has been some talking about it... |
21:50.41 | lamikr | Hi koen? Are you coming to fosdemm? |
21:50.46 | koen | lamikr: yes! |
21:51.05 | florian | Philippe: hmm cool, some general mobile X hacker meeting? :-) |
21:51.14 | koen | lamikr: take a look at http://www.fosdem.org/2006/index/dev_room_embedded ;) |
21:51.18 | Philippe | He'd better show up... He is giving a talk in my devroom! |
21:51.30 | florian | :-) |
21:51.36 | Philippe | florian, I don't know exactly but I will be pushing stuff |
21:51.51 | florian | Philippe: cool |
21:52.05 | lamikr | Nice! But I think I still need to be happy for making good decision even he fails to be similarly thre. |
21:52.20 | Philippe | And this might be nice too : http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEmbeddedWorkSessionExtremadura2006 |
21:52.27 | koen | yay! |
21:52.36 | koen | michaelo is also attending fosdem |
21:52.47 | koen | haven't talked to him for a long while |
21:52.59 | florian | ~lart welding machines |
21:53.04 | pb_ | michaelo lives? awesome |
21:53.27 | koen | 'Optimizing the Linux kernel and applications for speed, space, ram, |
21:53.28 | koen | power and cost, by: Michael Opdenacker' |
21:53.43 | pb_ | ah, very good |
21:54.29 | florian | pb_: :-) |
21:54.33 | lamikr | koen: I know Hector Oron from em debian who was first in the list. We had good chat in last summer when debconf was arranged in Helsinki. |
21:54.35 | koen | now we just need marcusbrutus, joshua and mreimer in brussels to complete the good old h2200 clan |
21:54.49 | mreimer | that would be excellent :-) |
21:54.58 | lamikr | ... I have just failed always to go to emdebian irc channel :-( |
21:55.09 | florian | mreimer: hmm where are you located? |
21:55.44 | Philippe | lamikr, I'll say hello to him :-) |
21:56.03 | lamikr | Philippe: to emdebian irc? |
21:56.50 | mreimer | florian: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=shelton,+wa&ll=47.20863,-123.072862&spn=43.768066,102.744141&t=k |
21:59.07 | Philippe | lamikr, yes. I hang out there too :-) |
22:00.07 | lamikr | Ok, I collected my courage and joined there too :-) |
22:00.42 | florian | mreimer: hmm... your travel to fosdem is a little bit longer than mine. |
22:00.44 | Philippe | lamikr, Hector = zumbi but he is away atm... |
22:00.45 | mreimer | :-) |
22:01.17 | florian | :-) |
22:01.53 | florian | mreimer: for me it is about 300km :-) three hours by car... if i obey the speed limit. |
22:02.00 | koen | mreimer: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/maps/OE.php |
22:02.39 | lamikr | In finland it is 230 km and 3 hour... (80 - 100 km speed limits) |
22:04.09 | mreimer | hmm, OE.php isn't rendering in firefox 1.5.0.1. Does it need flash or svg? |
22:04.18 | koen | neither |
22:05.56 | koen | mreimer: try http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/maps/ |
22:06.02 | koen | that has some nicer generated html |
22:07.16 | mreimer | doesn't want to render either |
22:07.22 | koen | hmmm |
22:07.38 | koen | should be using the same googlemaps stuff as your link |
22:07.42 | mreimer | checking javascript console... |
22:07.56 | mreimer | Error: Error in parsing value for property 'z-index'. Declaration dropped. |
22:08.25 | mreimer | ah well |
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22:08.30 | koen | heh |
22:08.39 | koen | z-index is on googles side |
22:11.10 | Philippe | night all |
22:11.13 | mreimer | night Philippe |
22:11.17 | koen | 'night Philippe |
22:11.26 | florian | Philippe: good night |
22:11.33 | lamikr | Philippe good night! |
22:17.43 | koen | mreimer: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/images/maps.jpg |
22:18.49 | mreimer | koen: sweet! |
22:18.58 | mreimer | but how do you read those menus? |
22:19.00 | mreimer | ;-) |
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22:37.43 | koen | mreimer: could you mail me an ide-non-removable patch that apples to .13-hh1? |
22:37.46 | koen | 'night all |
22:37.55 | mreimer | night koen. |
22:37.57 | poli | koen|sleep: night |
22:37.57 | mreimer | koen|sleep: yes |
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23:03.31 | reenoo | evening |
23:03.49 | pb_ | hi reenoo |
23:03.57 | reenoo | hey pb_ |
23:05.43 | florian | hi reenoo |
23:07.30 | reenoo | moin florian |
23:32.50 | florian | Now a little bit more food and then i'll bash Multisync... |
23:34.26 | pb_ | florian: do you have any more changes that should be added before releasing a new gpe-contacts? |
23:35.53 | florian | pb_: i'll end in talking about bashing Multisync for a whole week before even looking at the code ;-) |
23:36.15 | pb_ | florian: :-} |
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23:38.56 | florian | hrm... hh.org bugzilla complains about missing javascript support in my browser |
23:39.04 | florian | ~lart bugzilla |
23:40.34 | pb_ | reenoo: what's the status with bug 1469; have all the unstripped binaries been eliminated now? |
23:41.29 | reenoo | pb_: if everything's been rebuilt with the new package.bbclass, yes. otherwise, probably not. |
23:42.16 | pb_ | okay. I don't think everything has been rebuilt yet. |
23:42.30 | florian | pb_: hmm no contacts bugs left? |
23:42.34 | pb_ | at a minimum, the affected packages will need their PR bumped so that the updates actually get installed |
23:42.57 | pb_ | florian: not in the 0.8.3 list. let me do a full search. |
23:44.08 | pb_ | three contacts bugs in total: 1475, 1489 and 1523 |
23:45.37 | reenoo | pb_: yeah. I guess one could write a script that downloads the entire feed and searches for offending packages. I'll try to look into that as soon as I have a bit of spare time (busy with various assignment and project deadlines and learning for exams for the next two weeks it seems) |
23:45.54 | pb_ | reenoo: okay, excellent, thanks |
23:46.26 | pb_ | florian: 1489 seems to be maemo specific, and 1523 is tricky to solve |
23:46.29 | florian | pb_: ah... looks like i need to log in to amke queries work... |
23:46.39 | pb_ | 1475 might be worth fixing though |
23:46.42 | reenoo | pb_: I'll also make it search for x86 binaries >:) |
23:46.52 | pb_ | reenoo: heh, good idea |
23:48.26 | florian | pb_: yes right, 1489 is something for maemo and is everything but important. |
23:49.08 | florian | pb_: #1523 might be a pretty intereting thing but too complex for one night. |
23:50.52 | pb_ | right |
23:51.00 | florian | pb_: #1475 would be useful to have fixed. i think this would involve to ensure all name fields are set up completely on import (and if necessary on edit). |
23:51.30 | florian | hmm... hh.org cvs sufferes from slowness again... |
23:51.49 | florian | france: did you have success with the new cvs machines? |
23:57.55 | pb_ | florian: righto. I'll wait with releasing the new version for now, so that we can try to fix 1475. |
23:58.28 | pb_ | night all |
23:58.28 | france | florian: I am running the final test as we speak |
23:58.31 | france | pb_: nite |
23:58.43 | pb_ | france: hello... and good night |
23:58.46 | reenoo | 'night pb_ |
23:58.51 | reenoo | hey france |
23:58.52 | france | turning off anoncvs on h7, for the final sync. |
23:58.56 | france | reenoo: hi |
23:59.01 | france | pb_: nite |
23:59.21 | florian | pb_: good night |
23:59.51 | france | florian: I sort of spiked the load average from 30 to 40 while syncing. |
23:59.55 | florian | pb_: should i trigger a new release? even #1475 would be some work... |