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| 09:42.24 | bedboi | ri |
| 09:42.28 | bedboi | hi all |
| 09:43.43 | koen | hey bedboi |
| 09:43.51 | bedboi | hi koen |
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| 10:01.56 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 10:02.11 | koen | hey florian_kc |
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| 10:08.30 | koen | hey lardman|work |
| 10:10.23 | lardman|work | hi koen |
| 10:10.45 | lardman|work | how's things? |
| 10:13.26 | koen | busy |
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| 10:17.34 | lardman|work | Yeah, same here, I've not had a chance to play around with those DBUS messages yet |
| 10:19.13 | florian_kc | same here... but finally i was able to play with dbus at all :-) |
| 10:19.18 | florian_kc | oh btw. |
| 10:20.06 | florian_kc | But i have a gtk-only multisync 0.90 and gui config support for the gpe plugin. |
| 10:21.28 | koen | didn't fejj have a patch to build the gui from the config descriptors automagically? |
| 10:26.28 | florian_kc | no idea... i was offline this weekend and hacked it when i notced this bit is missing :-) |
| 10:29.32 | lardman|work | Is it possible to insmod a kernel module which will allow me to view the requests being performed using ioctl? |
| 10:29.46 | lardman|work | Or something like this anyway |
| 10:31.02 | lardman|work | More likely I'd need to patch the kernel source I suppose |
| 10:32.21 | florian_kc | hmm... not easily |
| 10:33.08 | lardman|work | shame, though I imagine it wouldn't be *that* difficult to just look at the bme code and go from there |
| 10:33.08 | florian_kc | lardman|work: LTT and maybe OProfile might be able to do this. |
| 10:33.42 | florian_kc | OProphile should be in theat kernel, LTT is still at 2.6.7. |
| 10:33.48 | lardman|work | cool, I'll take a look at those |
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| 12:09.27 | koen | florian_kc: do you have screenshots of that gui? |
| 12:10.06 | koen | the opensync one |
| 12:33.17 | florian_kc | koen: wait a minute :-) |
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| 12:44.17 | florian_kc | koen: http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/nokia770/screenshots/multisync-desk.png |
| 12:44.18 | florian_kc | and |
| 12:44.30 | florian_kc | http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/nokia770/screenshots/multisync02.png |
| 12:45.25 | TyggerBob | good morning |
| 12:45.43 | koen | hey TyggerBob |
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| 12:46.06 | florian_kc | hi TyggerBob |
| 13:07.38 | rob_w | hi guys can we talk about update-modules --- what do i need to know to have this working ,.. do i only stuff the modules name inside the same named file in /etc/modutils ? |
| 13:07.56 | koen | rob_w: correct |
| 13:08.24 | koen | florian_kc: did you get opensync working on maemo? |
| 13:08.38 | rob_w | ok then i still have a problem as update-modules say it cannot find the modules ,, but of course they are there ?!? |
| 13:09.15 | rob_w | maybe i need to check the kernel name which update-modules assumes , right ? |
| 13:11.57 | florian_kc | koen: only in the sdk so far, but it should be pretty easy. |
| 13:12.23 | florian_kc | rob_w: yes indeed... |
| 13:22.29 | rob_w | ok thanks |
| 13:22.49 | rob_w | crap my providers smtp is blacklisted |
| 13:27.08 | florian_kc | brb, food |
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| 14:47.20 | tuhl | ping florian boor |
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| 15:01.48 | florian_kc | re |
| 15:02.05 | florian_kc | tuhl: hi |
| 15:02.11 | florian_kc | pb_: hi |
| 15:06.45 | tuhl | is there anybody working on a news mail app? |
| 15:08.50 | tuhl | new mailing app? |
| 15:10.27 | florian_kc | Not that i'm aware of, a really good user interface isn't trivial for small PDA screens. For larger screens (640x480 and more) Sylpheed works pretty well. |
| 15:10.40 | vittorio | bit OT: for a 200MHz ARM9 embedded system with tiny-x server, gtk+ and a monochrom QVGA display, would it be very usefull to have HW graphics acceleration like bitblt? |
| 15:12.23 | koen | bitblt is nice if you need to scroll a lot |
| 15:12.56 | florian_kc | vittorio: well... i can't imagine hw accelleration would be bad, but if you don't have it you will be able to live with it. |
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| 15:13.28 | vittorio | im not sure which ARM9 to choose. cirrus have HW accesl. netsilicon dont |
| 15:15.09 | vittorio | i wonder is 200MHz fast enough so i dont see flickering on scrolling |
| 15:17.35 | vittorio | or does gtk do some offscreen rendering and then bitblt to reduce flickering |
| 15:17.59 | koen | I wonder how smart kdrive is in that respect |
| 15:19.19 | florian_kc | hmm yes, that would be a kdrive issue. |
| 15:20.42 | vittorio | ok thanks. trying in #xorg again |
| 15:21.05 | florian_kc | vittorio: I remember some Samsung ARM9 with good benchmarking results and the TI OMAP 1710 used in the 770 is pretty fast. |
| 15:21.26 | koen | the omap1710 does have sucky hw accell |
| 15:23.14 | vittorio | hmm samsung, they arent even on my ARM9 list. looking .. |
| 15:23.59 | koen | s3c2410 |
| 15:24.05 | koen | and s3c2440 |
| 15:24.25 | pb_ | florian_kc: good afternoon! |
| 15:25.05 | pb_ | vittorio: if your display is QVGA monochrome, you have so few bits that hardware acceleration isn't really required. |
| 15:25.24 | vittorio | pb_, even for scrolling? |
| 15:25.28 | pb_ | yeah, even then |
| 15:25.44 | vittorio | thats nice info :) |
| 15:25.54 | pb_ | there's only 320*240=76800 pixels on your whole screen. |
| 15:26.09 | pb_ | assuming 4 bits per pixel, that's 38400 bytes. |
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| 15:26.33 | vittorio | right, that shouldnt be a problem |
| 15:26.54 | XorA | and for left right you get to use rotate with carry, if arm supports such an instruction |
| 15:27.55 | XorA | once had a machine with a 20Mhz 68332 with 640x480 monochrome scrolling smoothly, for the interface on a PCR machine |
| 15:28.24 | vittorio | so even if later upgraded to a color display this wouldnt be a problem probably |
| 15:28.30 | pb_ | probably not, no. |
| 15:28.47 | pb_ | the iPAQs with QVGA 16bpp screens (and no acceleration) can still scroll in a perfectly acceptable way. |
| 15:29.09 | vittorio | they dont have accel? thats interessting |
| 15:29.12 | florian_kc | thats true... |
| 15:30.18 | vittorio | ok, so accel isnt high priority. thanks all |
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| 17:21.32 | lardman|afk | night guys |
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| 17:24.26 | florian_kc | hi pH5 |
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| 20:25.04 | Philippe | hello people |
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| 20:27.28 | koen | hey Philippe |
| 20:28.02 | Philippe | hey koen |
| 20:28.43 | Philippe | could you bump up the version of gpe-timesheet? |
| 20:29.23 | Philippe | (maybe it's time for me to get some acces to the OE montone...) |
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| 20:40.58 | koen | Philippe: http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/MonotonePhraseBook |
| 20:42.21 | Philippe | koen :-). I already had been glancing at that one... |
| 20:53.44 | koen | Philippe: gpe-timesheet 0.19 has been added to .dev |
| 20:55.14 | Philippe | koen, great! I am reading up on the exact monotone stuff to get that key. I suppose I have to send it to mickeyl as well? |
| 20:55.46 | koen | yes |
| 21:00.31 | koen | if you have monotone 0.24, the key will be stored in ~/.monotone/keys |
| 21:02.33 | Philippe | koen, is it okay if I still use 0.20 or should I upgrade before? |
| 21:02.44 | koen | yes |
| 21:03.13 | koen | (that was a trick question, since you need 0.24 to use the uncorrupted database) |
| 21:03.14 | Philippe | sorry, just saw it. (was a bit hidden on the wiki page NOTE: You need to have monotone 0.24 now !) |
| 21:03.43 | koen | (http://handhelds.org/hypermail/oe/47/4772.html) |
| 21:05.47 | Philippe | I really need to get that PCI-E Matrox 550 and a second tft... |
| 21:08.32 | koen | I love the dvi port on my powerbook |
| 21:10.35 | Philippe | they DON'T FIT in my system which has 8x lane slots ... |
| 21:12.16 | koen | my workstation only has agp, pci32 and pci64 |
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| 21:14.07 | Philippe | Mine has one 32bit pci which houses my soundcard, some PCI-X, and some 8x,4x and 1x PCI-E |
| 21:16.20 | koen | hmmm |
| 21:16.27 | koen | orange flavour |
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| 21:17.16 | koen | ordinary st bernardus isn't my favourite beer either :) |
| 21:18.41 | Philippe | koen, I am amazed! Indeed orange flavour! And linking the correct beers from the same brewery... |
| 21:19.54 | koen | I guess working in a bar with >50 different beers has it's advantages :) |
| 21:21.38 | koen | we had Anker Bok as the beer of the month in november |
| 21:22.41 | Philippe | I haven't tried that one yet. I also remember the had great jenever...(Ouwe koninck) |
| 21:22.59 | koen | ugh |
| 21:23.19 | koen | I used to know someone who had a 'tussen jenever' policy |
| 21:23.50 | koen | drink some glasses of Grolsch, drink a jenever, drink more beer |
| 21:24.20 | koen | if you aren't used to it that jenever will hit you *hard* |
| 21:27.24 | koen | getting fins drunk isn't that hard |
| 21:27.34 | Philippe | koen, no :- |
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| 21:27.59 | Philippe | Indeed it is not hard... But it will leave me with more beer... |
| 21:28.05 | florian_ | re |
| 21:28.15 | pb_ | florian_: good evening |
| 21:28.22 | Philippe | koen, However they seem really good at swallowing loads of vodka.. |
| 21:28.24 | koen | hey florian_ & pb_ |
| 21:28.29 | Philippe | hey florian_ & pb_ |
| 21:29.59 | koen | Philippe: ever tried peppered wodka? |
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| 21:58.03 | koen | Philippe: http://www.livejournal.com/users/pavelmachek/15119.html?mode=reply |
| 21:59.10 | Philippe | koen, me likes the comment : wonder what gpe-mini-browser is based on. No about button, does not react to about:. Seems to know about advanced rendering, yet has very simple ui. |
| 21:59.21 | Philippe | Well at least the last part :-) |
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| 22:08.10 | florian_ | koen: i'd suggest a proper conditional |
| 22:08.30 | koen | aaw |
| 22:08.35 | koen | and I wnated to be lazy |
| 22:08.40 | florian_ | heh |
| 22:09.28 | florian_ | koen: that's the correct way to go then... effort for maintaining this will be lower. |
| 22:17.14 | Philippe | anybody speaks portugese? what exactly does this mean : ah, se o gpe-mini-browser tivesse modo de visualização em telas pequenas? |
| 22:17.32 | koen | pequenas is small iirc |
| 22:18.31 | koen | babelfish saysL 'ah, if gpe-mini-browser had way of visualization in small screens?' |
| 22:18.54 | Philippe | aha. I thought it was something like that... |
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| 22:19.19 | koen | Philippe: is there an easy way to set a master css file? |
| 22:19.28 | koen | if so, we could reuse the one from minimo |
| 22:20.25 | Philippe | koen, I believe minimo also can scale images... but technically it might be possible if I fiddle around in the recieving part... |
| 22:20.41 | Philippe | I just don't know how to get this to work decently... |
| 22:23.06 | Philippe | koen, could it be that minimo scales images also ? http://cesarcardoso.multiply.com/photos/album/7 |
| 22:23.28 | koen | I have no idea |
| 22:23.34 | koen | it never did on my trials |
| 22:25.14 | koen | florian_: I'm building new snapshots which should have minimo in the h3600 images |
| 22:25.30 | pb_ | minimo on h3600? eleet |
| 22:25.33 | koen | I'll try to make a proper conditional soon |
| 22:25.37 | koen | aargh |
| 22:25.39 | koen | dillo2 |
| 22:26.06 | pb_ | aha |
| 22:26.11 | koen | minimo + gpe in 16 would be eleet indeed :) |
| 22:26.11 | pb_ | that's good, though not so eleet |
| 22:26.58 | koen | I should poke Doug soon to look into the minimo issues |
| 22:30.10 | koen | I think florian discovered the reason why I didn't add the multisync gui to OE |
| 22:30.25 | pb_ | florian_: that sounds ugly |
| 22:32.27 | florian_ | koen: yes... looks like Armin isn't that good at UI design. |
| 22:32.33 | koen | florian_: note that multisync cmdline is in packages/opensync |
| 22:34.10 | florian_ | pb_: yeah... i currently have a good mix of business and personal projects and friends preparing buildings :-) |
| 22:34.28 | florian_ | koen: yep... i'm going to use that. |
| 22:35.19 | florian_ | I bashed multisync to allow configuring the gpe applet and to work without all that gnome ui stuff. |
| 22:35.36 | pb_ | ah, very good |
| 22:37.42 | koen | florian_: this was the GUI patch I mentioned: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=9005665&forum_id=44467 |
| 22:40.16 | florian_ | koen: that looks interesting... multisync obviously needs some help. |
| 22:41.11 | koen | KDE has adopted it as the default backend for Kitchensync |
| 22:41.32 | koen | that leaves the evo2 people to get converted |
| 22:43.45 | koen | heh |
| 22:44.04 | koen | I read a something about evo2 sticking to gnome-pilot |
| 22:44.14 | koen | it seems the devs only have palms |
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| 22:44.48 | florian_ | hrm... the multisync source package sucks. |
| 22:45.04 | florian_ | how do i convince oe to configure two directories? |
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| 22:45.08 | koen | try building OOo |
| 22:45.15 | koen | after that everything looks great |
| 22:45.31 | pb_ | florian_: you'll have to write a custom do_configure() that calls oe_runconf twice. |
| 22:46.25 | florian_ | pb_: yeah... so it seems, i guess i need to do the same for do_compile, right? |
| 22:47.00 | koen | and do_install |
| 22:47.07 | koen | and probably for do_stage |
| 22:47.36 | koen | florian_: keeping granular packaging in mind, it might be cleaner to have 2 .bbs |
| 22:50.19 | florian_ | hmm in this case i'd need to make it apply the patch agaist ${S}/.. |
| 22:52.18 | koen | make a multisync-gui .bb and set S to multisync/gui |
| 22:52.40 | koen | that's the cleanest and most readable solution I can come up with at the moment |
| 22:55.01 | florian_ | that was the trivial part... |
| 22:56.00 | florian_ | koen: i have a big patch against the multisync dir, how do i apply this when i change ${S}? |
| 22:56.31 | koen | foo.patch;patch=1;pnum=2? |
| 22:57.10 | pb_ | florian_: try setting do_patch[dirs] = "${S}/.." |
| 22:57.14 | pb_ | or, er, something like that |
| 22:58.00 | florian_ | That reminds me to the patcher for debian source packages.... |
| 23:02.03 | florian_ | ~lart autotools |
| 23:07.17 | florian_ | My patch isn't that clean, so i guess pb_s solution is better. |
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| 23:09.54 | florian_ | hi bedboi |
| 23:10.44 | koen | 'night all |
| 23:11.41 | florian_ | pb_: that would be the way to change the dir affected by do_patch()? Can i just put this into the bb? |
| 23:12.02 | pb_ | florian_: right |
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| 23:15.25 | florian_ | hrm |
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| 23:24.11 | pb_ | night night |
| 23:24.19 | Philippe | night pb |
| 23:32.55 | Philippe | night all |
| 23:33.13 | florian_ | Philippe: good night |
| 23:43.27 | bedboi | how to flash maemo? |
| 23:44.29 | florian_ | bedboi: the fiasco image? |
| 23:45.16 | bedboi | the latest |
| 23:45.18 | bedboi | they release |
| 23:45.19 | bedboi | d |
| 23:48.13 | florian_ | bedboi: you need to use the -F switch for these images? |
| 23:48.19 | *** join/#gpe JiniDog (n=jini@p54BFF5FD.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:48.22 | florian_ | s/?7. |
| 23:48.30 | *** join/#gpe dc__ (n=dctanner@217.68.28.229) |
| 23:50.24 | bedboi | ok |
