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| 00:45.53 | arielMX | is there a place where i can get gpe themes? |
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| 00:59.18 | Cwiiis | arielMX: Your distribution feed |
| 00:59.44 | arielMX | what is adistribution feed? |
| 01:00.00 | arielMX | ipkgfind.handhelds.org? |
| 01:03.55 | Cwiiis | A feed is the location you download software upgrades from |
| 01:04.11 | Cwiiis | A distribution is what you're running (e.g. Familiar, OpenZaurus...) |
| 01:04.26 | arielMX | Im using famlliar... |
| 01:15.03 | Cwiiis | Then you need to look at the familiar ipk feeds - matchbox-themes-extra, or something like that, it what you're looking for - that and gtk-theme-industrial, or something like that |
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| 06:09.42 | __law__ | koen|sleep, there is an error in your libgpewidget_0.100.bb |
| 06:10.23 | __law__ | change SRC_URI = "${GPE_MIRROR}/${PN}-${PV}.tar.gz" to SRC_URI = "${GPE_MIRROR}/${PN}-${PV}.tar.bz2" |
| 06:22.54 | cedric_ | I've transfered an image from my phone via infrared and I can't find my file on the pda... |
| 06:26.05 | cedric_ | oops sorry in /var/tmp |
| 06:28.00 | __law__ | here is my new build error :-( http://pastebin.com/274469 |
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| 07:33.51 | florian_kc | hi all |
| 07:37.49 | __law__ | morning florian_kc |
| 07:38.31 | koen | good morning all |
| 07:40.08 | florian_kc | hi __law__, hi koen |
| 07:40.20 | koen | hey florian_kc & __law__ |
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| 07:44.23 | florian_kc | pb_: hello |
| 07:44.30 | pb_ | florian_kc: good morning |
| 07:45.02 | florian_kc | *gnaa* |
| 07:45.10 | florian_kc | ~lart Cisco |
| 07:46.11 | pb_ | florian_kc: is Nils there with you? |
| 07:47.09 | koen | hey pb_ |
| 07:47.18 | pb_ | hi koen |
| 07:47.19 | florian_kc | pb_: Not yet... to early for him here ;-) But i think he will show up in the next two hours. |
| 07:47.30 | florian_kc | s/to/too |
| 07:47.47 | pb_ | florian_kc: oh, heh, right. I guess it is not yet 10 o'clock there. :-) |
| 07:47.58 | florian_kc | pb_: right :-) |
| 07:49.09 | __law__ | hy koen |
| 07:50.02 | pb_ | florian_kc: he might be amused to hear that today I was finally able to speak to Jeff Waugh. |
| 07:50.35 | florian_kc | pb_: yeah indeed... iirc he failed with this task. |
| 07:50.51 | florian_kc | pb_: ... but this sounds promising :-) |
| 07:51.13 | pb_ | florian_kc: it transpired that Jeff is here in Canberra at the moment. |
| 07:52.19 | florian_kc | pb_: heh nice... |
| 07:53.42 | florian_kc | I can imagine how someone can deliberately spend money on this Cisco crap... :-/ |
| 07:54.07 | pb_ | oh dear. which particular kind of cisco do you have? |
| 07:56.06 | florian_kc | pb_: I'm glad not to have any, but both University and a customer is using this stuff... |
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| 07:56.39 | pb_ | ah, right |
| 07:57.06 | florian_kc | pb_: From University i know that it is expensive and time consuming to keep these machines running and their client software is a crap. |
| 07:57.33 | florian_kc | pb_: But what did Jeff say? |
| 07:59.47 | pb_ | florian_kc: he seemed keen on having GPE and GNOME work more closely together, so that we could have a coherent system across both desktop and handheld platforms. |
| 08:00.09 | pb_ | He suggested that we should try to get some of the GPE specific bits merged into GTK 2.8 or 2.10. |
| 08:00.14 | florian_kc | pb_: I updated libgpewidget a little bit, building and installing documentation should work much better now. Only OE seems to be not that happy with it. |
| 08:00.22 | pb_ | okay, great |
| 08:00.36 | pb_ | yeah, I saw a note from some guy who was having trouble building 0.100 under OE. I don't know what's wrong with that. |
| 08:00.39 | __law__ | koen, http://pastebin.com/274489 any ideas? |
| 08:00.44 | pb_ | koen: it works for you, right? |
| 08:01.39 | florian_kc | pb_: That's an interesting idea... aditionally we should make sure these gtk people work on the memory consumption of gtk. |
| 08:01.40 | koen | pb_: no, I told the autofoo to florian, and I'm hoping for a patch |
| 08:02.37 | florian_kc | koen: do you know if oe treats the gtk-doc stuff in some special way? |
| 08:03.04 | pb_ | koen: ah, okay. It probably isn't a good idea to check in a .bb file if you aren't able to build it yourself. |
| 08:03.57 | pb_ | florian_kc: true, though I haven't perceived memory consumption to be a huge issue recently. |
| 08:04.38 | koen | pb_: I forgot to disable my bkbits banging scripts after the compile error |
| 08:04.56 | florian_kc | pb_: right, it might be interesting for some low end machines mostly - but i heared there is some work going on in this direction. |
| 08:07.21 | florian_kc | What version of gtk-doc is this in oe?! |
| 08:08.31 | koen | florian_kc: dunno, the m4 doesn't have a version no |
| 08:08.55 | pb_ | florian_kc: almost certainly some really old one |
| 08:08.55 | pb_ | heh |
| 08:09.13 | pb_ | Someone should do a real gtk-doc package, I guess. |
| 08:11.09 | florian_kc | yeah, that might help... |
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| 08:14.14 | koen | hey mallum |
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| 08:17.38 | rob_w-cgi | morning , room |
| 08:21.04 | rob_w-cgi | kernel-module-sco-2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37_2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37.6-r0_h3900.ipk is this the BT headset modules ? |
| 08:21.55 | pb_ | yeah |
| 08:22.01 | koen | hey rob_w-cgi |
| 08:24.06 | rob_w-cgi | coool |
| 08:25.15 | koen | pb_: does gpe-bootsplash support "updates" to a smaller portion of the screen like a progress bar? |
| 08:25.26 | koen | or does it redraw the whole picture |
| 08:25.26 | pb_ | no, not at the moment |
| 08:25.31 | rob_w-cgi | btw : is there a solution for the time to time problem of the bt-applet saying " Couldnt register OBEX`service " ? semms to be only a gui problem , hicattach works fine though |
| 08:25.32 | pb_ | it just draws the whole screen |
| 08:25.45 | pb_ | I don't think there's any fix for that yet |
| 08:25.57 | pb_ | I think it broke with an update to bluez-libs, or something. |
| 08:26.10 | rob_w-cgi | pb_ do you have a clue why it is from time to time ? |
| 08:26.20 | pb_ | no, that's a bit weird |
| 08:26.31 | pb_ | it might be that it's failing to unregister the service when it quits, or something. |
| 08:26.39 | pb_ | in that case, you'd get the error the next time you ran the program |
| 08:26.54 | pb_ | maybe you could check with sdptool to see if the service is actually registered before starting it |
| 08:26.54 | rob_w-cgi | pb_ it does also happen at fresh boot up`s |
| 08:27.03 | rob_w-cgi | ah , ok |
| 08:27.57 | rob_w-cgi | pb_ also , is there a way to get back the Obex Push into the applet itself .. since gpe-filemanager is still tweaked alot ?! |
| 08:28.49 | rob_w-cgi | fe, irda-applet is fully packed with file transfers , so why dont we use it again on the bt-applet to get a straight usage scenario ? |
| 08:30.05 | pb_ | rob_w-cgi: yeah, I guess that would make sense, at least until gpe-filemanager becomes a standard fitment |
| 08:30.15 | pb_ | it should be easy enough to revert that patch in cvs |
| 08:30.52 | rob_w-cgi | oh please , find a minute someone to do so , and bring up a ipkg ,, that would be sooo lovely ! |
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| 08:32.09 | koen | hey ade|desk |
| 08:33.45 | mallum | hey koen |
| 08:38.21 | koen | florian_kc: do you know where I can get a newer .m4 for gtk-doc? |
| 08:40.28 | ade|desk | lo koen & mallum etc |
| 08:41.03 | pb_ | koen: in the gtk-doc tarball, I imagine |
| 08:41.09 | florian_kc | koen: take it from your local fs if you have it installed... |
| 08:41.14 | rob_w-cgi | brb |
| 08:42.09 | florian_kc | koen: or from my hh.org dir :-) |
| 08:43.24 | koen | cvs.gnome.org did the trick |
| 08:45.41 | mallum | hey ade|desk |
| 08:46.02 | koen | heh, the gtk-doc.m4 in cvs is over 13 months old |
| 08:46.47 | __law__ | koen, i start a new build :-) |
| 08:47.06 | koen | Don't bother |
| 08:47.20 | koen | it still errors out |
| 08:49.05 | __law__ | good luck ;-) |
| 08:49.30 | florian_kc | hrm... i'll try the same here.... |
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| 09:02.39 | Luke-Jr | __law__: yay tmpfs? |
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| 09:39.13 | koen | nice, the timeline tracks the wiki too |
| 09:43.15 | florian_kc | koen: yep... it was pretty easy... if oyu are admin you see a button in the settings area at the end of the page to make current settings default. |
| 09:44.03 | koen | florian_kc: the cvstrac thing said something about setting a password in CVSROOT, does it really do that? |
| 09:47.51 | florian_kc | koen: no, i turned this feature off... and even if it tried it wouldn't have the power to do this. |
| 09:48.11 | koen | good |
| 09:49.58 | koen | hmmm, the latest microsoft vm broke swing |
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| 10:12.29 | koen | hey p0m & aboeglin_ |
| 10:12.40 | p0m | Hey koen. |
| 10:32.08 | koen | florian_kc: a build from scratch still fails |
| 10:37.13 | koen | florian_kc: removing "# $(DOC_MODULE).types \" from doc/gtk-doc.make solves the problem |
| 10:38.22 | koen | it doesn't like the '\' at the end, even if it is a comment |
| 10:41.30 | florian_kc | yeah... that's obviously a bug |
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| 10:52.06 | koen | florian_kc: 12:51 < CIA-4> koen * r1.3263 openembedded/packages/libgpewidget/ (libgpewidget_0.100.bb libgpewidget-0.100/fixdoc.patch): |
| 10:52.10 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:53.01 | koen | _law_: you can start a build now |
| 11:19.03 | florian_kc | koen: oh great! |
| 11:19.11 | florian_kc | ~guinness koen |
| 11:19.14 | ibot | ACTION pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout and hands it to koen |
| 11:23.58 | Cwiiis | Off to uni, biab... |
| 12:02.07 | koen | florian_kc: gpe-taskmanager.c:23:24: gpe/render.h: No such file or directory |
| 12:02.33 | koen | and /home/koen/OE/build/tmp/familiar/staging/arm-linux/include/gpe/windows.h:10:2: warning: #warning windows.h is obsolete, use gpewindowlist.h instea |
| 12:04.02 | florian_kc | koen: ah that's for pb_, or do we want me one of the few bits in GPE i never broke before? ;-) |
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| 12:04.36 | dballester | hi to all |
| 12:04.44 | florian_kc | hi dballester |
| 12:04.57 | Cwiiis | Hi dballester - I have to go very soon, but I think you had a zaurus-related gpe question yesterday? (I might be able to help) |
| 12:05.08 | dballester | yes, about mic |
| 12:05.22 | Cwiiis | Go on |
| 12:05.38 | dballester | esd daemon is running |
| 12:05.53 | dballester | i can ear test sound |
| 12:06.07 | dballester | when playing with sound config |
| 12:06.23 | dballester | but seems the mic is not activated |
| 12:06.34 | florian_kc | koen: oh... forget what i said... |
| 12:06.35 | dballester | and i can't find a way to activate it |
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| 12:06.56 | dballester | with gpe-mixer i can get only one slide bat |
| 12:07.00 | dballester | bar, sorry |
| 12:07.08 | Cwiiis | I haven't played at all with the mic... But what are you using to record? |
| 12:08.03 | quitte | gpe seems to be made for building with oe. is it hard to make it compile in a normal system environment? |
| 12:08.21 | koen | ehm |
| 12:08.45 | koen | gpe existed loooong before OE |
| 12:08.45 | dballester | "record memo" i think that's gpe-soundbite |
| 12:08.46 | cedric_ | how come for contrast applet, the slider is on the top-left corner of the screen (on the poodle) |
| 12:08.52 | dballester | Cwiiis: "record memo" i think that's gpe-soundbite |
| 12:08.55 | Cwiiis | dballester: Right, ok - I'll have a look at it when I have some spare time, sorry I couldn't be of more help |
| 12:09.05 | Cwiiis | biab |
| 12:09.07 | florian_kc | quitte: the error messages if dependencies are missing ar not that nice, but basically it is easy to compile. |
| 12:09.08 | dballester | Cwiiis: don't worry :) |
| 12:09.36 | dballester | Cwiiis: any helps is always welcome, at least thkx for the interest! |
| 12:09.45 | koen | hmmm, I was supposed to be at the uni 9 minutes ago |
| 12:09.48 | florian_kc | pb_: Do you want to stop me from creating a new gpe-taskmanager release? |
| 12:09.50 | Cwiiis | dballester: oh, this is collie, right? |
| 12:10.06 | Cwiiis | I remember reading before it was, but I might've misread... |
| 12:10.08 | quitte | ok. whaah. i just realised it is in debian :D whith what package should i start? |
| 12:10.44 | dballester | Cwiiis: yes, a collie ( SL-5500S ) |
| 12:11.37 | florian_kc | pb_: too late ;-) |
| 12:11.43 | Cwiiis | dballester: okidokes, will look into it whenever I have the time - If you find a fix, post on OESF under the gpe thread, so others can read :) (and any fix you find, I'll try to commit to OE) |
| 12:11.55 | florian_kc | koen: try gpe-taskmanager 0.18 :-) |
| 12:12.20 | koen | :) |
| 12:12.27 | koen | .gz? |
| 12:13.06 | florian_kc | koen: yep... only the autotooled pieces upload bz2 archives. |
| 12:13.11 | dballester | Cwiiis: indeed, i will try to do it, whatever signify OESF & OE XD ;) |
| 12:13.56 | florian_kc | quitte: If you use latest gpe cvs you will find some pieces use autotools now. |
| 12:14.28 | quitte | florian_kc: does cvs have debian build dirs? |
| 12:14.36 | koen | florian_kc: koen * r1.3264 openembedded/packages/gpe-taskmanager/gpe-taskmanager_0.18.bb: gpe-taskmanager_0.18.bb: add it to OE |
| 12:14.41 | koen | it's in :) |
| 12:14.52 | florian_kc | koen: That was checkin #100 since i started CVStrac three weeks ago. :-) |
| 12:15.03 | koen | nice |
| 12:15.39 | koen | suggests* |
| 12:15.58 | florian_kc | quitte: hmm no, but our Debian guru __moray or moray should have this for several packages. |
| 12:17.27 | _law_ | koen: i eill start |
| 12:18.04 | florian_kc | koen: try gpe-edit 0.29 :-) |
| 12:18.22 | florian_kc | koen: still gz |
| 12:19.16 | koen | built and added |
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| 12:19.40 | reenoo | afternoon |
| 12:19.48 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 12:19.57 | reenoo | hi koen |
| 12:20.05 | florian_kc | hi reenoo |
| 12:20.10 | reenoo | moin florian_kc |
| 12:22.56 | koen | and gpe-plucker |
| 12:24.43 | koen | and gpe-watch |
| 12:27.41 | koen | gpe-soundbite is the next victim of render.h |
| 12:31.17 | koen | florian_kc: could you poke ole to remove render.h from callback.c in rosetta? |
| 12:32.34 | koen | ah, the gpe-{plucker,gallery,soundbite} stuff is fixed in cvs already. No need for a cvs diff. |
| 12:35.30 | florian_kc | koen: gpe-gallery 0.96, gz |
| 12:37.42 | florian_kc | koen: ole is fixing rosetta |
| 12:37.54 | koen | thanks a million! |
| 12:37.59 | florian_kc | koen: that fix is in cvs for now |
| 12:38.12 | rob_w-cgi | did you guys ever had a report to a GSM jacket for ipaq`s ? |
| 12:38.31 | koen | florian_kc: 3 files are affected in rossetta cvs |
| 12:38.47 | koen | rob_w-cgi: they exist, but linux support is not too good afaict |
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| 12:40.12 | florian_kc | koen: ok |
| 12:40.24 | koen | 1.0.6/gz |
| 12:40.31 | florian_kc | koen: gpe-soundbite is 1.0.6 now, gz |
| 12:40.49 | rob_w-cgi | hmm i would love to have that also , then my ipaq will be almighty |
| 12:41.12 | florian_kc | koen: i'll ask Nils about gpe-plucker, iirc he is currently working on it or so. |
| 12:41.40 | florian_kc | rob_w-cgi: yeah, they are not that frequently used.... |
| 12:42.18 | koen | rob_w-cgi: http://yargybot.com/Familiar/GSMGPRSSleeve.html |
| 12:42.21 | rob_w-cgi | ebay shows me some available ones , but i guess we would need too much software and drivers for it to work |
| 12:43.19 | koen | it's just a serial port |
| 12:43.45 | koen | so drivers aren't the problem, good pda-phone software is |
| 12:43.46 | rob_w-cgi | wow that is a interessting ling .. gphone for familiar |
| 12:45.25 | florian_kc | yeah, that would rock |
| 12:46.21 | rob_w-cgi | hmm but the link text`s look very promising |
| 12:47.01 | rob_w-cgi | it had general support for most functions but some kernel changes prevents the software to wake up the ipaq when recieving a call |
| 12:48.42 | rob_w-cgi | oh man that page now makes me feal quite horny about a gsm jacket from ebay ... wonder if my coding will be enough to make it happen |
| 12:49.35 | koen | porting it to gtk2 shouldn't be too hard |
| 12:50.56 | rob_w-cgi | since here i cannot setup a full bitbake env , what is the fastest way to compile single apps into gpe ipkg`s ? |
| 12:53.43 | koen | florian's sdk I guess |
| 12:54.24 | rob_w-cgi | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.53 | koen | ah, my new tool for my job arrived |
| 13:05.29 | rob_w-cgi | ok this gphone package compiles nicely agains x86 |
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| 13:10.15 | rob_w-cgi | ok and it compiles through the cross chain ... |
| 13:12.30 | koen | rob_w-cgi: is it gtk1 or gtk2? |
| 13:13.31 | koen | grrrr |
| 13:13.45 | koen | gpe-tetris doesn't work after removing render.h |
| 13:14.05 | koen | | interface.c:(.text+0x15fc): undefined reference to `gpe_render_icon' |
| 13:18.17 | koen|away | bbl |
| 13:19.23 | cedric_ | koen|away: gphone -> gtk 1.2 |
| 13:24.11 | rob_w-cgi | koen : how do i exaclty tell that ? well it asked for the gtk+ |
| 13:24.58 | _law_ | koen|away: gpe-plucker fails (gpe/render.h: No such file or directory) |
| 13:25.58 | rob_w-cgi | cedric how do you know this ? |
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| 13:34.05 | rob_w-cgi | after copying gphone binary to the ipaq it starts and fails exacly at the same point as when started on my pc , when trying to find the serial device ..but it pops a gtk error window for that ! |
| 13:37.24 | rob_w-cgi | so make this then gtk2 and it might work when having a jacket serial port ? |
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| 13:58.19 | florian_kc | koen: oops... i think i can fix gpe-tetris. |
| 13:59.08 | florian_kc | rob_w-cgi: no... tell it the correct serial port. |
| 14:00.46 | koen | florian_kc: I believe yan can fix virtually anything :) |
| 14:01.05 | florian_kc | koen: luc was faster, i'll upload a new package. |
| 14:02.28 | florian_kc | koen: new version 0.6-3, gz |
| 14:03.58 | rob_w-cgi | florian_kc : i dont have a jacket yet so i cant simulate the serial port |
| 14:04.28 | koen | florian_kc: the gz isn't there (yet) |
| 14:05.47 | florian_kc | koen: now it is... some minor issue with a wrong path. |
| 14:06.09 | florian_kc | rob_w-cgi: ah okay... you could use the internal serial port to do this... |
| 14:07.05 | rob_w-cgi | will check ,, probaly the tty is hardcoded |
| 14:08.10 | koen | | Makefile:58: ../../base/build/Makefile.dpkg_ipkg: No such file or directory |
| 14:08.10 | koen | | Makefile:59: no file name for `-include' |
| 14:08.10 | koen | | make: *** No rule to make target `../../base/build/Makefile.dpkg_ipkg'. Stop. |
| 14:08.17 | koen | gpe-tetris doesn't like me |
| 14:08.26 | koen | the old patch for 0.6-2 doesn't apply |
| 14:09.03 | _law_ | koen: gpe-plucker doenst work :-( |
| 14:09.21 | koen | _law_: I know |
| 14:09.33 | koen | 14:41 < florian_kc> koen: i'll ask Nils about gpe-plucker, iirc he is currently working on it or so. |
| 14:13.31 | florian_kc | koen: oh dear... wait... |
| 14:15.02 | florian_kc | hrm... what a patch :-/ |
| 14:16.33 | rob_w-cgi | how can i add libasound into the crosscompile chaing from nils ? |
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| 14:18.11 | florian_kc | rob_w-cgi: compile it with that toolchain and the same prefix like it. |
| 14:24.22 | rob_w-cgi | libasound is a also devel member , right ? |
| 14:26.38 | koen | florian_kc: you rock! |
| 14:26.42 | florian_kc | koen: try -4 |
| 14:26.57 | florian_kc | koen: i think that should fix it... at least i hope. |
| 14:27.18 | koen | florian_kc: same path issue |
| 14:27.27 | koen | i.e. the .gz isn't there |
| 14:28.15 | florian_kc | rob_w-cgi: yes, vou need the header and the .so link. |
| 14:28.23 | florian_kc | koen: right... now |
| 14:30.14 | koen | ehm |
| 14:30.22 | koen | you're not going to like this |
| 14:30.28 | lardman | GXine works well on my C750 Zaurus (w/ 64MB or RAM), but someone has reported that it won't start on a 5600 (32MB) without a swapfile |
| 14:30.39 | koen | ERROR: log data follows (/home/koen/OE/build/tmp/familiar/work/arm-linux/gpe-tetris-0.6-4-r0/temp/log.do_compile.5667)| NOTE: make -j4 -e MAKEFLAGS= PREFIX=/usr| Makefile:63: no file name for `-include'| arm-linux-gcc -march=armv4 -mtune=xscale -I/home/koen/OE/build/tmp/familiar/staging/arm-linux/include -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -frename-registers -O2 misc.o highscore.o tetris.o interface.o -o gpe-tetris `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2. |
| 14:31.04 | lardman | Can one set the memory buffer size in ~/.gxine or ~/.xine/config? (link to report here: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=12081&hl=) |
| 14:32.34 | florian_kc | koen: I can't see the error... that message "no file name" i get too... |
| 14:33.13 | koen | it can't find the libs, so I end up with lots of undefined refs |
| 14:33.20 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.26 | koen | (and a zillion more) |
| 14:34.50 | rob_w-cgi | what is a existing serial port on a 3970 ? |
| 14:35.01 | koen | /dev/ttyS0 to S2 |
| 14:35.06 | koen | (serial, ir, bt) |
| 14:35.14 | koen | or serial, bt ,ir |
| 14:35.36 | florian_kc | koen: strange... it compiles pretty nice here |
| 14:36.29 | Cwiiis[uni] | lardman: Current libxine-1.0 in the oz feeds doesn't have some patches applied that slightly reduce memory usage - that might help, I'll recompile and upload to upgrades when I can |
| 14:37.25 | lardman | Cwiiis: Cool thanks |
| 14:37.37 | florian_kc | koen: ahh... ok i see... |
| 14:37.41 | koen | florian_kc: maybe LDFLAGS get blownaway by OE? |
| 14:38.09 | rob_w-cgi | do i need special patch for alsa-lib for arm -- as i see libasound.so: undefined reference to `_dl_load_lock' |
| 14:38.12 | lardman | Cwiiis[uni]: I remember opie-mediaplayer2 having troubles starting up because the xine config file wanted to allocate too much memory (256MB iirc!), I was wondering if this is the same thing |
| 14:38.34 | Cwiiis[uni] | lardman: No, don't think so |
| 14:38.46 | lardman | Cwiiis[uni]: Okay |
| 14:38.49 | Cwiiis[uni] | lardman: If it wanted to allocate that much, it certainly wouldn't work on my 5500... |
| 14:39.04 | Cwiiis[uni] | lardman: The patches might not help you, they only reduce memory requirement by around a meg it looks like |
| 14:39.08 | koen | it might |
| 14:39.14 | Cwiiis[uni] | But yeah, it might :) |
| 14:39.15 | koen | the kernel overcommits memory |
| 14:39.15 | koen | \ |
| 14:39.29 | Cwiiis[uni] | ah, ok |
| 14:41.06 | florian_kc | koen: eh no... i updated it :-) try again... |
| 14:41.12 | lardman | Cwiiis[uni]: I wasn't thinking it was that much, but perhaps as there's no entry in the config file, it defaults to something which is too much for a 32MB machine |
| 14:41.35 | Cwiiis[uni] | lardman: Maybe - If you experiment and find anything, I'll look into it |
| 14:41.50 | cedric_ | lardman: it was me for gxine on poodle |
| 14:41.54 | Cwiiis[uni] | Or alternatively, send me a poodle and I'll do the experimentation ;) |
| 14:42.03 | lardman | Cwiiis[uni]: Okay, I'll add it to my weekend todo list ;) |
| 14:42.16 | lardman | Cwiiis[uni]: I don't have a poodle, it was someone else |
| 14:42.24 | Cwiiis[uni] | ah, k |
| 14:42.34 | koen | florian_kc: is it in the correct path? |
| 14:42.35 | lardman | Cwiiis[uni]: I think you're better off with a 5500 anyway |
| 14:43.24 | cedric_ | cwiiis/lardman: with a swapfile it was extremly slow to do anything (like browsing the file system) |
| 14:44.17 | Cwiiis[uni] | lardman: Would be nice to have a 5600 to experiment with though - plus external speaker :) |
| 14:45.18 | rob_w-cgi | koen : so there is a ttyS1 is the irda and what is behind ttyS0 ? |
| 14:45.29 | koen | rob_w-cgi: the cradle serialport |
| 14:45.44 | rob_w-cgi | ok ,thnx |
| 14:46.13 | lardman | cedric_: are you cstrand1? |
| 14:46.41 | cedric_ | cwiiis/lardman: for the time been, I'm using ogg123... :-( |
| 14:47.07 | Cwiiis[uni] | cedric_: heh, gxine/libxine in oz feed crashes playing oggs anyway :) (my fault, can send you an ipk that fixes that if you like) |
| 14:47.09 | cedric_ | lardman: nope but I've talked to cwiiis about the same issue, sorry for the confusion |
| 14:47.36 | lardman | cedric_: that's ok, just odd that the other name also starts 'c' :) |
| 14:47.58 | lardman | Cwiiis[uni]: I've only been using mp3s |
| 14:48.17 | lardman | cedric_: you have a 5600 then? |
| 14:48.42 | rob_w-cgi | koen : theoreticly i could bind to my mobile phone modem and point gphone to that , right ? |
| 14:48.57 | koen | rob_w-cgi: yes |
| 14:49.08 | koen | rob_w-cgi: not sure how that would work with calls |
| 14:49.08 | lardman | rob_w-cgi: did you get an answer to your cvs problem? |
| 14:49.15 | florian_kc | koen: it should be |
| 14:49.36 | koen | florian_kc: looks like the same tarball |
| 14:49.38 | cedric_ | lardman: yep, I'm ced on the zug |
| 14:49.42 | rob_w-cgi | lardman .. seems i am soo restriceted by firewall and proxy that i never will make it here |
| 14:50.05 | rob_w-cgi | koen : i would be fine to see the gui as a start |
| 14:50.05 | lardman | cedric_: much easier only having one name ;) |
| 14:50.07 | cedric_ | didn't bother to allocate a specific username on irc |
| 14:50.36 | lardman | rob_w-cgi: oh, sorry to hear that - if you delve into the python, you may be able to work around it by altering bitbake, but sounds like a pita |
| 14:50.43 | cedric_ | the server, just aloocate a name randomly based on my unix account |
| 14:50.53 | cedric_ | ... :-) |
| 14:51.03 | lardman | cedric_: so how much free memory do you have normally? |
| 14:52.33 | cedric_ | lardman: with the latest gpe image (with only some applet running), I've got ~2M |
| 14:52.34 | florian_kc | koen: hrm... it didn't change much ;-) it should really be up to date now. |
| 14:52.49 | koen | sure? |
| 14:53.04 | koen | the tarball I downloaded 5 mins ago throws the same error |
| 14:53.10 | florian_kc | yes... |
| 14:53.24 | cedric_ | lardman: with kernel 2.4.18 |
| 14:53.59 | florian_kc | lardman, cedric_: Your memory will be almost full all the time... because cache and buffers. |
| 14:53.59 | lardman | cedric_: that's including cached? |
| 14:54.16 | lardman | florian_kc: you beat me |
| 14:54.41 | koen | http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GpeUsageScenarios |
| 14:55.02 | koen | if you know how to to 2-8 feel free to add it to the wiki |
| 14:55.05 | cedric_ | ok so how can I tell you how much free memory I've got? :-) |
| 14:55.11 | koen | s/to to/to do/ |
| 14:55.32 | lardman | Cwiiis: do webcasts work for you with GXine? They don't for me |
| 14:55.44 | Cwiiis[uni] | lardman: I've not tried - They might require extra plugins |
| 14:56.15 | florian_kc | koen: you did remove your old -4? |
| 14:56.17 | lardman | Cwiiis[uni]: Ah, okay |
| 14:56.20 | koen | florian_kc: yes |
| 14:57.28 | florian_kc | koen: this missing libraries again? |
| 14:57.34 | koen | florian_kc: yes |
| 14:57.51 | lardman | cedric_: top? top line of it should tell you |
| 14:57.57 | koen | I suspect LDFLAGS or CFLAGS get mangled |
| 14:58.07 | koen | it says it can't find certain libs to link |
| 14:58.59 | florian_kc | koen: PACKAGE_LDFLAGS += $(GPELIBS), and they are really used i the link command. |
| 14:59.20 | pb_ | re |
| 14:59.38 | Cwiiis[uni] | lardman: I tried to RDEPENDS on everything required to play most videos, mp3s, oggs and internet radio - But I never tested the latter part |
| 14:59.44 | cedric_ | lardman: Mem: 28012K used, 1988K free, 0K shrd, 84K buff, 8592K cached |
| 14:59.51 | florian_kc | pb_: wb |
| 15:01.01 | lardman | cedric_: Okay, so you do have a fair bit of memory available - 10580K |
| 15:01.14 | koen | florian_kc: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/tetris.log |
| 15:01.20 | koen | that's the output of bitbake -D |
| 15:01.30 | lardman | cedric_: But perhaps not enough - I don't really nkow much about how memory hungry GPE apps are |
| 15:05.08 | cedric_ | lardamn: without a swapfile -> xine_xmalloc: malloc() failed: Cannot allocate memory. |
| 15:05.19 | cedric_ | Segmentation fault |
| 15:06.07 | lardman | cedric_: So I've heard - probably not a good thing |
| 15:07.09 | lardman | Unrelated topic - this looks like it might be interesting (well sort of): http://www.mulliner.org/bluetooth/btchat/ |
| 15:09.20 | florian_kc | lardman: that looks pretty nice |
| 15:09.36 | lardman | Only problem is that you need to have saturation otherwise there's no-one else to talk to |
| 15:10.07 | cedric_ | lardman/cwiiis: just need to print the amount of memory that the malloc try to allocate... |
| 15:10.07 | lardman | but you have to start somewhere hey ;) |
| 15:10.17 | Cwiiis[uni] | cedric_: Cool :) |
| 15:10.56 | cedric_ | Cwiiis: it was just a suggestion... :-) |
| 15:11.01 | lardman | cedric_: and possibly where the malloc is - to see if it's a buffer related thing, or just the fact that the app needs that much mem |
| 15:11.56 | rob_w-cgi | can someone check if bitbake apply`?s patches to alsa-lib regarding dl_load_lock and dl_catch_error |
| 15:12.24 | koen | rob_w-cgi: no patches |
| 15:12.50 | rob_w-cgi | then my /* */ weapon will be warmed up |
| 15:13.07 | rob_w-cgi | koen : no patches in general or to these things ? |
| 15:13.28 | rob_w-cgi | what alsa-lib version are we running currently ? |
| 15:13.41 | koen | we aren't running alsa at all |
| 15:13.46 | lardman | florian_kc: there was another plugin for gaim - a zeroconf one which works over wifi - that would be interesting too |
| 15:14.12 | rob_w-cgi | koen : try adding btsco |
| 15:14.40 | lardman | koen: cheers mate (I'm still packaging glibc :( ) |
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| 15:15.34 | rob_w-cgi | koen : http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=116589 |
| 15:16.44 | rob_w-cgi | this would be needed to configure bt headsets |
| 15:19.14 | rob_w-cgi | but it is alsa dependent - |
| 15:19.30 | cedric_ | Cwiiis: r u going to at that memory thingy? |
| 15:19.44 | cedric_ | s/to/to look |
| 15:21.06 | Cwiiis[uni] | cedric_: Not for the moment, no - Once libxine in the oz feed has been updated, and the error is still there, I'll have a look (when I have time) |
| 15:21.13 | Cwiiis[uni] | Quite busy with uni work at the moment :/ |
| 15:22.12 | cedric_ | cool |
| 15:24.05 | koen | hey tigrux |
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| 15:24.34 | tigrux | Hello master koen |
| 15:24.43 | tigrux | Hello pb_, florian_kc, reenoo |
| 15:25.21 | rob_w-cgi | koen : as yoiu are adding .bb`s .. gtk solitaire http://www.icewalkers.com/Linux/Software/56010/Lazy-Solitaire.html |
| 15:26.18 | Cwiiis[uni] | rob_w-cgi: That looks like gtk1 + imlib... |
| 15:26.33 | Cwiiis[uni] | (neither of which are included in gpe by default) |
| 15:26.33 | rob_w-cgi | oh,, right ..sorry |
| 15:26.48 | Cwiiis[uni] | rob_w-cgi: De-Gnoming AilseRiot is on my TODO list :) |
| 15:28.35 | pb_ | tigrux: hello! |
| 15:28.51 | koen | 'night pb_ |
| 15:28.52 | florian_kc | pb_: good night |
| 15:28.57 | lardman | night |
| 15:29.00 | florian_kc | hi tigrux |
| 15:29.05 | rob_w-cgi | hmm once there was some solitaire in gpe at fam 0.6 |
| 15:32.45 | rob_w-cgi | look at this : pb has something http://handhelds.org/~pb/sol-1.0.6-pb.tar.gz |
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| 15:35.11 | Cwiiis[uni] | rob_w-cgi: Was fam 0.6 with gtk2 gpe or gtk1? |
| 15:36.43 | rob_w-cgi | gtk1 for sure |
| 15:37.38 | Cwiiis[uni] | Fancy updating it? :p |
| 15:39.10 | pb_ | I'm not sure that sol even uses gtk. |
| 15:39.25 | rob_w-cgi | no .. since check this out http://gtkboard.sourceforge.net/ all in one ! |
| 15:41.29 | Cwiiis[uni] | rob_w-cgi: Nice - no card games though |
| 15:41.54 | florian_kc | bbl |
| 15:43.18 | Cwiiis[uni] | rob_w-cgi: Doubt it's small-screen friendly either |
| 15:43.34 | rob_w-cgi | u think so ? |
| 15:43.54 | Cwiiis[uni] | Try it :) |
| 15:44.05 | Cwiiis[uni] | (over X11) |
| 15:44.11 | Cwiiis[uni] | (or in Xnest) |
| 15:45.36 | reenoo | hey tigrux |
| 15:45.44 | tigrux | reenoo: yo |
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| 16:30.38 | qbc | hi to all |
| 16:30.51 | qbc | i search a gpe mp3 player with gui. :-) |
| 16:31.09 | qbc | can you give me a hint which are a good player |
| 16:31.35 | lardman | GXine works well for me |
| 16:32.12 | qbc | ..is this program in the feed for 0.8.2 ? or wehre i download it |
| 16:32.27 | lardman | ah, not sure, I'm a Zaurus user |
| 16:32.35 | lardman | OpenZaurus not familiar |
| 16:33.13 | qbc | ah ok |
| 16:34.34 | lardman | Ask Cwiiis[uni] if he's about |
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| 16:39.48 | qbc | ok byby :-) |
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| 16:43.07 | florian_kc | re |
| 16:48.18 | philippe | hi people |
| 16:48.33 | philippe | florian_kc, I found the gconf problem . |
| 16:49.08 | philippe | The sevices file is copied in /usr/lib/dbus-1.0/services. If it gets copied to /usr/share/dbus-1.0/services it works. |
| 16:49.21 | philippe | So there is a small packaging problem I believe |
| 16:49.32 | florian_kc | philippe: hi! |
| 16:49.39 | florian_kc | philippe: ah great" |
| 16:50.07 | florian_kc | philippe: that was the gconf service file? |
| 16:50.21 | philippe | florian_kc, yes |
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| 16:50.51 | florian_kc | philippe: right... that should be easy to fix... |
| 16:51.02 | philippe | this is where it should be /usr/share/dbus-1/services/gconf.service |
| 16:57.22 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: xst fails to compile with the xserver-kdrive 20050207 btw.. (the currently preferred version it seems) |
| 16:58.58 | Cwiiis[uni] | xst.o(.text+0x278):xst.c: undefined reference to `XInternAtom', XGetSelectionOwner, XCreateSimpleWindow, XChangeProperty, XSelectInput, XSendEvent, XNextEvent, XCloseDisplay, XDisplayName... And more in libXsettings-client.so |
| 16:59.19 | koen | heh |
| 16:59.29 | koen | that's the same problem I have with gpe-tetris |
| 16:59.31 | Cwiiis[uni] | oh, I missed XOpenDisplay in xst.c |
| 17:02.15 | lardman | have a nice evening, I'm off |
| 17:02.23 | florian_kc | lardman: cu |
| 17:06.08 | koen | Cwiiis[uni]: I suspect pb's new xlib thing might be blowing up |
| 17:06.18 | Cwiiis[uni] | New xlib thing? |
| 17:07.56 | koen | Cwiiis[uni]: http://oe-devel.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded/cset@1.3225?nav=index.html|ChangeSet@-4d |
| 17:10.20 | philippe | It seems gailutil does not need gnome-vfs... I tested it with a few apps now and see nothing special happening... Also does gnome-vfs really need samba? |
| 17:11.07 | koen | it does to build the smb plugin |
| 17:11.12 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: hmm :/ |
| 17:11.32 | koen | philippe: only the vfs-plugin-smb should require samba iirc |
| 17:11.58 | florian_kc | right... but we need to compile samba for libsmbclient. |
| 17:12.20 | koen | yes |
| 17:12.32 | philippe | I havent-tried yet to build gnome-vfs without samba... let's try to see if it works... |
| 17:37.56 | philippe | NOTE: package gnome-vfs-dbus-2.8.4.4: completed. It builds without samba.... |
| 17:38.18 | koen | philippe: I think it only build the smb plugin when detecting samba |
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| 17:40.58 | florian_kc | philippe: i submitted a patch to Hallski... |
| 17:41.07 | philippe | Well do we need it? We are trying to make things small. And I do not think samba is really useful on an Ipaq or Zaurus. |
| 17:41.30 | florian_kc | does someone have a minute to include it in oe? |
| 17:41.57 | koen | philippe: all plugins are packaged seperatly in the normal gnome-vfs |
| 17:42.30 | philippe | Ah ok, so it does not matter... My fault I should have read the bb file in more detail. |
| 17:54.36 | beewoolie-away | Greetings. |
| 17:54.40 | koen | hey beewoolie-away |
| 17:54.46 | beewoolie-away | :-) |
| 17:55.02 | beewoolie-away | I'm noticing that gpe-bootsplash has a prejudice about the framebuffer organization. |
| 17:55.12 | beewoolie-away | It only likes mono and 565 direct mapped color. |
| 17:55.23 | beewoolie-away | Is the rest of GPE so prejudiced? |
| 17:55.46 | beewoolie-away | My device is 555 direct mapped, btw. |
| 17:56.06 | beewoolie-away | I'm fine with making some patches, but I don't have time to go crazy with it. |
| 17:57.33 | koen | gpe uses X |
| 17:57.51 | florian_kc | beewoolie-away: no, my workstation has 556 :-O |
| 17:57.51 | koen | so it al depends on how biased X is |
| 17:57.51 | beewoolie-away | So, it is only bootsplash that is so constrained? |
| 17:58.24 | beewoolie-away | Is there another bootsplash like application that doesn't care about the fb organization? |
| 17:58.25 | florian_kc | no wait i'm lying, i use 555 - 556 is broken in Pango. |
| 17:58.40 | beewoolie-away | florian_kc: do you use bootsplash? |
| 17:59.05 | florian_kc | beewoolie-away: i don't think so, its the only gui bit in gpe not using X. |
| 17:59.09 | beewoolie-away | ...actually, it looks like bootsplash is just being lazy. There is only one place where it cares. |
| 17:59.13 | beewoolie-away | OK. |
| 17:59.25 | beewoolie-away | I'll make a little patch to generalize the direct color support. |
| 17:59.44 | florian_kc | beewoolie-away: ont on my workstation.. but most gui apps of gpe |
| 17:59.51 | florian_kc | beewoolie-away: cool |
| 18:00.11 | beewoolie-away | florian_kc: um, huh? |
| 18:01.03 | florian_kc | s/ont/not |
| 18:01.21 | beewoolie-away | florian_kc: .. but most gui apps of gpe ...??? |
| 18:01.36 | beewoolie-away | Perhaps two coffees. |
| 18:04.50 | florian_kc | beewoolie-away: heh... you asked if i used gpe-bootsplash - the answer is "no, not on my workstation, but most other gui applications of gpe". |
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| 18:20.50 | beewoolie-away | bootsplash looks like it needs more help. It should be able to take a parameter to select the splash file and it ought to be able to handle PNG and SVG at the same time. Perhaps I'll look at this later. |
| 18:21.00 | beewoolie-away | Should I post the patch to the mailing list? |
| 18:23.26 | florian_kc | beewoolie-away: yes, that would be nice. |
| 18:27.11 | beewoolie-away | Oh, my. It's kinda slow. I'm going to see about improving the drawing speed. |
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| 18:33.50 | florian_kc | beewoolie-away: Which device do you use? |
| 18:34.21 | beewoolie-away | The CPU is a Sharp SOC. It's got one of the AMBA LCD controllers in it. |
| 18:35.58 | florian_kc | beewoolie-away: oh... what speed has this Sharp? |
| 18:36.25 | beewoolie-away | Hm. I think this one can go 77MHz and I believe it's running 50MHz right now. |
| 18:37.35 | florian_kc | beewoolie-away: i see... thats one reason. even the slowest PDA we usually use has a Strongarm running at 200MHz. |
| 18:38.07 | beewoolie-away | It's a little better now. I changed the way that we compose the data for display. It would probably be faster to compose the data line-by-line and then do copy of the buffer. The 16 bit accesses are going to be a little wasteful. |
| 18:38.23 | beewoolie-away | florian_kc: No worries. I just don't want to make things worse for other people. |
| 18:39.59 | koen | this might be benificial for all those "smartphones" with low cpu speeds |
| 18:40.06 | koen | e.g. ipaq h6300 |
| 18:40.14 | beewoolie-away | How slow are those? |
| 18:40.21 | koen | 168MHz omap |
| 18:40.48 | koen | still not slow, but slower than we're used to |
| 18:40.58 | florian_kc | beewoolie-away: No problem - i really appreciate any improvement. In particular if new devices are involved... |
| 18:41.47 | beewoolie-away | We'll see if I can get this working. I spent three weeks on qtopia and opie with no luck. I'm banking on the fact that X applications will be easier to debug. |
| 18:42.59 | koen | the rumours of opie using X with opie2.0 are getting louder and louder |
| 18:43.07 | florian_kc | beewoolie-away: that might be true :-) |
| 18:44.01 | florian_kc | koen: i can remeber that they intended to have a barbecue with nelson when he suggested this about two years ago ;-) |
| 18:44.03 | beewoolie-away | The trouble was in the C++ classes. The program would start, but nothing would come up. I could never get the first applicationt to run. It was some sort of untrapped error, I guess. It was just way to hard to debug. |
| 18:44.24 | beewoolie-away | It is way smaller than gpe with all of gpe's dependencies. |
| 18:44.36 | florian_kc | beewoolie-away: feel lucky... there are no C++ classes in GPE :-) |
| 18:45.16 | beewoolie-away | I don't have a problem with C++. I write lots of code in it. My trouble was that the architecture was overly complex and there was no built-in tracing. |
| 18:45.34 | florian_kc | beewoolie-away: right.. but you can easily remove some of the gpe dependencies if you don't need a complete gpe. |
| 18:45.38 | beewoolie-away | It was really a problem with the single executable runtime model. |
| 18:45.48 | beewoolie-away | True. I haven't gotten that far |
| 18:46.00 | beewoolie-away | Right now, the runtime image is around 60MiB. |
| 18:46.20 | koen | unstripped I assume |
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| 18:46.42 | koen | and uncompressed |
| 18:46.44 | beewoolie-away | No, I think it's all stripped. |
| 18:46.51 | beewoolie-away | yes, no compression. |
| 18:47.08 | koen | I always get confused by the size of jffs2 images |
| 18:47.12 | beewoolie-away | There are loads of fonts in there that I don't need. Probably 20MiB. |
| 18:47.38 | beewoolie-away | I haven't run the library optimizer. |
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| 18:50.01 | bedboi | hi all |
| 18:51.04 | florian_kc | hi bedboi |
| 18:53.10 | bedboi | hey florian_kc |
| 18:56.58 | bedboi | well, going to eat |
| 18:57.05 | bedboi | bbl |
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| 19:04.19 | beewoolie-away | C question. I had forgotten that the << operator doesn't like negative operands. Is there another, efficient way if I don't know the direction of the shift? |
| 19:04.51 | koen | hey luc |
| 19:06.54 | florian_kc | hi luc |
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| 19:08.57 | florian_kc | beewoolie-away: hmm... i'd use a ? operator... that's maybe not that efficient but it is easier to read :-) |
| 19:09.22 | beewoolie-away | That's what I'm falling back to. I'd like something that doesn't introduce a conditional. |
| 19:09.44 | beewoolie-away | Although, on the ARM there isn't really a penalty for this sort of conditional. |
| 19:11.22 | beewoolie-away | Hmm. It's not great, but it does work. I'll post a patch in a few minutes. |
| 19:14.44 | luc | Good evening koen, florian_kc, and all |
| 19:16.01 | luc | florian_kc: you got a login for you? |
| 19:16.41 | florian_kc | luc: yes... looks like i need to create them manually. wait a second |
| 19:42.11 | beewoolie-away | florian_kc: let me know if the patch email doesn't get through. |
| 19:47.25 | beewoolie-away | gpe-dm doesn't want to start. is there a precondition needed for it? I'm running it from a console, so there's no DISPLAY variable. |
| 19:47.48 | koen | you shouldn't need to set a DISPLAY |
| 19:47.53 | beewoolie-away | OK. |
| 19:48.04 | koen | can you start Xfbdev by hand? |
| 19:48.07 | beewoolie-away | strace doesn't give me a clue as to why it doesn't run. |
| 19:48.13 | koen | 'Xfbdev &' |
| 19:48.27 | beewoolie-away | Yes. Xfbdev is running and I see the X cursor. I can move it with the touchscreen. |
| 19:48.45 | florian_kc | beewoolie-away: ok |
| 19:48.46 | koen | ok, so the problem is in the gpe-dm script |
| 19:49.08 | beewoolie-away | I'm not running the script. All it does is invoke gpe-dm. |
| 19:49.27 | beewoolie-away | It looks like the program forks, so I need to run strace with some options to see what's going on. |
| 19:51.09 | beewoolie-away | It looks like dm wants to run xinit.... |
| 19:51.32 | beewoolie-away | And the Xserver. |
| 19:51.58 | beewoolie-away | So really, I shouldn't run Xfbdev alone, right? |
| 19:52.19 | koen | gpe-dm should start it for you |
| 19:52.28 | koen | it does want to grab :0 |
| 19:52.36 | beewoolie-away | That isn't working either. I'm going to look at the Xserver script... |
| 19:55.35 | beewoolie-away | It's odd. The Xserver script seems to work. |
| 19:56.41 | beewoolie-away | bbiaw. Lunchtime. |
| 19:58.03 | luc | florian_kc: any idea how to make headings with cvstrac? |
| 20:00.52 | koen | does <h1> work? |
| 20:01.37 | luc | no :/ |
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| 20:06.59 | koen | luc: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GpeUsageScenarios |
| 20:07.03 | luc | http://www.google.com/search?q=cvstrac+wiki+headings -> florian, you get rank 4 ! Tell us the secret of cvstrac headings! :) |
| 20:08.15 | luc | koen: excellent! :) |
| 20:08.36 | florian_kc | luc: heh, cool... well... ehm... |
| 20:09.25 | florian_kc | luc: not offhand, but i can take a look as soon as i'm back home. |
| 20:10.29 | koen | luc: It's on the "wanted" list for cvstrac |
| 20:10.48 | koen | (according to google) |
| 20:11.05 | luc | koen: there are headings on the cvstrac formating rules manual! |
| 20:11.17 | luc | http://www.cvstrac.org/cvstrac/wiki?p=FormattingWikiPages |
| 20:11.24 | koen | those bastards! |
| 20:11.40 | florian_kc | hehe |
| 20:11.43 | luc | koen: I suspect florian is one of them, he wont tell us :) |
| 20:19.11 | luc | I got it! :) |
| 20:19.46 | luc | ***heading1*** |
| 20:19.52 | luc | **heading2** |
| 20:20.17 | luc | actualy it is just <big><bold> fonts |
| 20:21.35 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 20:22.09 | luc | oooops, sorry florian, I told the secret :/ |
| 20:24.46 | florian_kc | *gg* |
| 20:26.50 | reenoo | hmm.. is gpe-bluetooth expected to provide any bluetooth services? like obex push? |
| 20:27.22 | reenoo | (i.e., to send stuff _to_ the ipaq) |
| 20:31.03 | koen | for ir it works, bt probably needs to set a config option |
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| 20:44.36 | reenoo | neat. it appears to work now :) |
| 20:44.51 | reenoo | yup. it does. |
| 20:45.35 | reenoo | (using gnome-bluetooth on my laptop to send stuff btw) |
| 20:46.41 | koen | what did you change? |
| 20:47.48 | reenoo | I don't know, actually. nothing that should have any influence on this... |
| 20:48.56 | reenoo | basically I just restarted stuff on both sides a couple of times I think |
| 20:52.53 | koen | how "gnome" is gnome-bluetooth? |
| 20:53.34 | koen | it would be nice to snatch some code from gnome-bt and add it to gpe-bt |
| 20:57.49 | reenoo | dunno. the gui parts are python |
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| 21:02.06 | bedboi | hi there |
| 21:06.02 | reenoo | koen: ah.. looks like there must not be an active connection to another device (my NAP in this case) |
| 21:08.19 | reenoo | hmm |
| 21:08.36 | reenoo | I wonder if this is by design or due to a bug in gpe-bluetooth |
| 21:09.48 | koen | I know hp limits the h5550 in wince to 1 connection to work around buggy hardware |
| 21:10.21 | reenoo | oh |
| 21:13.53 | koen | no idea how it is on the ipaq / your pc |
| 21:16.40 | beewoolie-away | For a minimal startup, what would you all recommend for the /etc/X11/Xinit.d directory? It looks like gpe-dm is starting the server and then starting the Xinit process. I don't have any scripts in the Xinit.d directory, so it looks like it's terminating straight away. |
| 21:19.51 | koen | koen@c7x0:/etc/X11/Xinit.d$ ls |
| 21:19.51 | koen | 01xrandr 12keymap 40xmodmap 60xXDefaults 90norepeat |
| 21:19.51 | koen | 11zaurus 30xTs_Calibrate 55xScreenSaver 70detect-stylus 99gpe-login |
| 21:19.58 | koen | that's what I have |
| 21:20.38 | beewoolie-away | That's what I found in gpe-login. I'm building it now. It depends on gpe-ownerinfo, at least. ... |
| 21:21.24 | koen | gpe-login takes care of logging in the user and starting the session |
| 21:22.06 | koen | so you could launch matchbox session if gpe-login is overkill |
| 21:22.28 | koen | machtbox-session that is |
| 21:22.35 | beewoolie-away | Ah. That's helpful. |
| 21:24.08 | koen | matchbox-session essentially does "matchbox-desktop & matchbox-panel --orientation south & exec matchbox-window-manager $@" |
| 21:24.15 | beewoolie-away | Where is matchbox? A grep of the source doesn't tell me where it is built. |
| 21:24.35 | koen | matchbox is a seperate project |
| 21:24.47 | beewoolie-away | ...looking. |
| 21:24.54 | koen | www.o-hand.com |
| 21:26.35 | beewoolie-away | Oy vey. ten more packages to build... |
| 21:32.01 | reenoo | beewoolie-away: do you have any apps on the device already? for testing purposes you should be able to run just the X server and the app you want (the windows won't be managed [i.e. no window decorations etc.] but you'd have something on the screen at least) |
| 21:33.04 | beewoolie-away | Are there any GPE apps that will suffice? I've been able to build most of te GPE stuff that I've tried to build. |
| 21:33.21 | beewoolie-away | It's really just a matter of critical mass. |
| 21:33.42 | koen | any gtk app will do |
| 21:33.47 | koen | of X app for that matter |
| 21:34.09 | koen | s/of/or/ |
| 21:34.41 | beewoolie-away | OK. What browser do folks use with GPE? |
| 21:34.48 | Cwiiis[uni] | ah, home time :) |
| 21:34.49 | Cwiiis[uni] | biab |
| 21:34.58 | Cwiiis[uni] | beewoolie-away: dillo2 or minimo |
| 21:35.04 | beewoolie-away | K. thx |
| 21:36.00 | reenoo | beewoolie-away: fwiw, I'd start with something simple. like gpe-calendar |
| 21:36.11 | beewoolie-away | OK. Good suggestion. |
| 21:38.45 | luc | hmm... translating my body of 10 meters... then applying a rotation of 90 degrees (100 grades, for dutch people who think that french still use grades ;) ... |
| 21:38.56 | luc | 'night all. |
| 21:42.25 | koen | crazy french people using grades ;) |
| 21:44.07 | reenoo | koen: gnome-bluetooth itself appears to rely on various gnome components. its libbtctl looks interesting though |
| 21:44.17 | reenoo | Depends: libbluetooth1 (>= 2.3), libc6 (>= 2.3.1-1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.2.1), libsdp2 (>= 1.0) |
| 21:44.25 | reenoo | Description: Bluetooth helper library for Glib/GTK/GNOME applications |
| 21:44.25 | reenoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.25 | reenoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.39 | koen | sounds good |
| 21:49.52 | reenoo | koen: happen to know what the ibook/powerbook linux helper apps (backlight control, etc.) are called? |
| 21:50.01 | koen | no idea |
| 21:50.14 | koen | only osx is installed |
| 21:50.38 | reenoo | ah, ok. |
| 21:52.06 | koen | heh |
| 21:52.38 | reenoo | I've found a kernel module that allows setting a bunch acpi related things including LCD backlight brightness |
| 21:52.49 | reenoo | ...for my x31 |
| 21:54.18 | reenoo | so, I need something that monitors keyboard/mouse activity and dims the backlight accordingly |
| 21:54.47 | koen | doesn't xss provide something like that? |
| 21:57.26 | reenoo | probably. it's just that I'm not so keen on writing something from scratch right now |
| 21:57.47 | reenoo | (xss being a library only..) |
| 21:58.06 | koen | | arm-linux-libtool: link: cannot find the library `libbtctl.la' |
| 21:58.10 | koen | bleh |
| 22:04.54 | reenoo | fwiw. the kernel module documentation confirms my interpretation of the x31's dsdt. you can't change the temperature thresholds for the fan to be turned on. and you can't turn the fan on from software either. |
| 22:05.16 | reenoo | ~lart ibm |
| 22:05.28 | reenoo | ~botsnack |
| 22:05.28 | ibot | reenoo: thanks |
| 22:05.30 | koen | toshiba laptops can do that |
| 22:05.50 | koen | at least the one I tested SuSE on a few years back |
| 22:06.07 | reenoo | any laptop with a non-braindamaged acpi implementation can do that... |
| 22:12.51 | koen | I should push my nonworking stuff into nonworking |
| 22:13.54 | reenoo | heh |
| 22:14.55 | koen | I have a few apps that don't build but have the deps,license and src_uri |
| 22:23.22 | reenoo | koen: righto. cool |
| 22:23.41 | reenoo | gpe-today does its segfault on startup thing again |
| 22:26.09 | koen | I've never seen that |
| 22:26.37 | reenoo | lucky you I'd say ;) |
| 22:27.12 | koen | I'm keen on getting a new gpe-today in OE |
| 22:27.17 | reenoo | try adding an appointment in gpe-calendar and then start gpe-today |
| 22:27.23 | koen | with background support |
| 22:27.34 | reenoo | it segfaults reproducably here (fam 0.8.2) |
| 22:28.25 | koen | I did that |
| 22:29.18 | reenoo | and it works? funky.. |
| 22:29.27 | koen | is your todo empty? |
| 22:29.38 | reenoo | yeah |
| 22:29.57 | koen | I added a todo item first |
| 22:31.01 | reenoo | that works around it, yeah |
| 22:37.20 | koen | 'night all |
| 22:37.28 | reenoo | 'night koen |
| 22:37.38 | beewoolie-away | Night. |
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| 22:39.25 | reenoo | hey pb_ |
| 22:40.14 | beewoolie-away | I'm getting a link error with gpe-calendar. |
| 22:40.19 | beewoolie-away | undefined reference to `mimedir_vcal_new_from_string' |
| 22:40.32 | beewoolie-away | I've updated gnome-libmimedir and gpe sources. |
| 22:42.41 | beewoolie-away | pb_: It looks like you posted a patch using this symbol in February. Can you tell me where it comes from? |
| 22:56.57 | pb_ | eyck: |
| 22:56.59 | pb_ | oops |
| 22:57.11 | pb_ | beewoolie-away: are you using the libmimedir snapshot from the gpe ftp site? |
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| 23:03.21 | beewoolie-away | pb_: I'm using the one from gnome. Let me see if I can find the one on the gpe site. |
| 23:06.51 | beewoolie-away | pb_: On handhelds.org? |
| 23:07.03 | pb_ | right |
| 23:07.17 | pb_ | the one that the libmimedir package in OE uses |
| 23:08.51 | beewoolie-away | That snapshot is more than a year old... |
| 23:10.49 | beewoolie-away | OK. I'll try that one. thx. |
| 23:16.28 | beewoolie-away | pb_: that symbol isn't in that version either. |
| 23:17.05 | beewoolie-away | pb_: wait a minute. I think I built the other one again... |
| 23:20.39 | pb_ | I'm pretty sure that the version of gpe-calendar we have in OE works with that libmimedir. |
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| 23:48.03 | beewoolie-away | reenoo: I thought you said that gpe-calender was simple. It's got an amazing set of dependencies all it's own. |