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| 01:48.49 | Cwiiis | koen|sleep: Wow, minimo works flawlessly (pretty much) on my collie now, no hangs :) |
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| 07:51.58 | koen | good morning all |
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| 08:17.51 | p0m | Morning koen. |
| 08:18.11 | koen | hey p0m |
| 08:18.24 | p0m | What stuff did you guys add to sectest? |
| 08:18.34 | p0m | I couldn't find anything noticeable. |
| 08:19.21 | p0m | I found dsniff and ettercap, and that was about it. |
| 08:20.23 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.24 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.24 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.24 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.24 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.26 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.28 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.00 | p0m | Prismstumbler was allready there. |
| 08:21.08 | p0m | For gpe-aerial. |
| 08:21.16 | koen | ah yes |
| 08:21.22 | p0m | cryptcat might be useful. |
| 08:21.37 | p0m | As would be driftnet. |
| 08:21.45 | koen | indeed, want to make a .bb for those? |
| 08:22.02 | p0m | Looking into it. |
| 08:22.35 | p0m | That reminds me, if I wanted my 3900 to modprobe mmc_asic3 instead of mmc_samsung at boot, where would I look/what would I change? |
| 08:22.43 | koen | driftnet is pretty cool |
| 08:22.53 | koen | /etc/modutils/* |
| 08:22.55 | p0m | Driftnet + etherape = win. |
| 08:23.13 | p0m | Err. |
| 08:23.18 | p0m | 3900_asic? |
| 08:25.12 | p0m | Wait, this is where I create a folder, right? |
| 08:25.15 | p0m | Not folder, file. |
| 08:27.07 | koen | a file containing the moudles you want to load |
| 08:27.27 | koen | the update_modules (or something similar) puts those in /etc/modules |
| 08:27.42 | p0m | Ahh. |
| 08:28.11 | p0m | So I can remove mmc_5400, and put in a file called mmc_asic3 with contents mmc_asic3? |
| 08:29.56 | koen | yes |
| 08:30.01 | p0m | Cool, thanks. |
| 08:30.09 | p0m | There's one allready? |
| 08:30.24 | koen | I just made one |
| 08:30.39 | p0m | Ahh, cool. |
| 08:30.56 | p0m | I love using ethereal, driftnet and etherape together. |
| 08:31.31 | p0m | Sit and watch driftnet until something of interest goes past, replay it through etherape to see who it was, and track down the person using the ethereal capture :) |
| 08:32.23 | koen | My boss will love it :) |
| 08:32.38 | p0m | Heh. |
| 08:32.42 | koen | working at the telematics department has it's advantages |
| 08:33.00 | koen | too bad the wlan is 802.1x secured |
| 08:33.22 | p0m | I've forgotten the command :| |
| 08:33.32 | p0m | Pity busybox doesn't come with apropos. |
| 08:34.05 | koen | ln -sf foo blah |
| 08:34.12 | p0m | That's it. |
| 08:34.17 | p0m | Why the f? |
| 08:34.35 | koen | don't know, but lots of people use it ;) |
| 08:34.40 | p0m | I just use -s |
| 08:35.01 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.11 | koen | usefull for relinking |
| 08:35.14 | p0m | Ahh. |
| 08:35.26 | koen | grrr |
| 08:35.34 | koen | | arm-linux-gcc -march=armv4 -mtune=xscale -I/home/koen/OE/build/tmp/familiar//staging/arm-linux/include -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -frename-registers -O2 -o endian endian.c |
| 08:35.38 | koen | | ./endian > endianness |
| 08:36.13 | p0m | I read fomit-frame-pointer as vomit-frame-pointer. |
| 08:37.00 | p0m | mp3 is now an alias madplay-esd, with the command line arguments to make it use esd, and /mp3 is /media/card/mp3 :) |
| 08:37.38 | p0m | Oops. |
| 08:37.42 | p0m | Forgot the update-modules :| |
| 08:38.11 | p0m | 0.8.2 is booting much faster than 0.8.1 too :) |
| 08:39.35 | p0m | Ok, koen: I removed the mmc_5400 part, but it's still modprobing mmc_samsung |
| 08:40.11 | p0m | Nevermind. I goofed. |
| 08:42.35 | p0m | Oops. |
| 08:42.37 | p0m | I killed it. |
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| 08:49.11 | koen | D'oh |
| 08:49.18 | koen | driftnet is gtk1 |
| 08:49.20 | koen | hey florian_kc |
| 08:49.43 | florian_kc | hi all |
| 08:51.07 | p0m | koen: Bugger. |
| 08:51.13 | p0m | I'm reflashing with sectest again. |
| 08:51.28 | p0m | Somehow the update-modules caused the kernel to halt without error messages. |
| 08:51.29 | koen | it shouldn't be too hard to port it to gtk2 |
| 08:52.58 | florian_kc | hrm... the memory usage of bitbake is really a pain.... |
| 08:54.25 | koen | ~bbcow |
| 08:54.28 | ibot | bbcow is, like, a couple patches for bitbake and openembedded to use copy-on-write for the metadata handling. It greatly reduces memory consumption. Get them at http://www.frankengul.org/~seb/cowbb/. |
| 08:54.56 | koen | last I heard it saves about 60% |
| 08:55.02 | florian_kc | koen: heh thanks.... i just decided to search for this thing again :-) |
| 08:58.24 | koen | florian_kc: have you seen http://www.ex-parrot.com/~chris/driftnet/ ? |
| 08:58.32 | koen | p0m brought it to my attention |
| 08:58.46 | koen | apart from it being gtk1 it's pretty nice |
| 09:00.25 | p0m | The latest verion seems to be able to render video streams too. |
| 09:01.03 | p0m | Another interesting tool to have on sectest would be the ike VPN tools. |
| 09:01.11 | p0m | They can return what version it's using etc. |
| 09:01.18 | p0m | Version/software. |
| 09:01.31 | p0m | Maybe even paketto. |
| 09:04.20 | florian_kc | koen: heh, that's cool... |
| 09:13.04 | p0m | I'm just compiling what would be nice on sectest. |
| 09:13.50 | florian_kc | do we have dsniff? :-) |
| 09:14.05 | p0m | dsniff, cryptcat, firewalk, whisker, |
| 09:14.12 | p0m | ike-scan etc. |
| 09:14.52 | florian_kc | hmm... need more time to play with these toys :-) |
| 09:18.40 | florian_kc | bbcow looks pretty simple... why isn't this in upstream bb? |
| 09:19.37 | p0m | IKEPROBE is nice as well. |
| 09:20.52 | p0m | Another wireless specific tools that are fun are chopchop and WEPWedgie |
| 09:22.43 | p0m | http://sourceforge.net/projects/wepwedgie and http://www.netstumbler.org/showthread.php?t=12489 |
| 09:23.20 | florian_kc | ikeprobe look evil :-) |
| 09:23.44 | p0m | Chopchop is even more. |
| 09:23.50 | p0m | You don't even have to know the WEP key. |
| 09:24.00 | p0m | Unfortunately there's a lot of collateral traffic. |
| 09:24.18 | p0m | Most of which won't be logged, as it's the wrong wep key, and hosts will just drop it. |
| 09:24.52 | p0m | Wepwedgie can be used to replay/insert packets into a WEP networl. |
| 09:24.55 | p0m | Network* |
| 09:28.16 | p0m | And having openobex would just be a boon. |
| 09:28.34 | p0m | Go around mapping bluetooth devices, taking phone books etc. |
| 09:28.55 | p0m | Iirc, some Blackbird PIM versions have Bluetooth built in. |
| 09:32.33 | florian_kc | eh... imho we have openobex... |
| 09:34.20 | p0m | Ok. |
| 09:38.05 | koen | http://www.burtonini.com/blog//computers/fontconfig-2005-04-01-09-40 |
| 09:38.21 | koen | more footprint reduction! |
| 09:40.21 | florian_kc | yeah! |
| 09:48.20 | p0m | Wow. |
| 09:48.27 | p0m | A possible 165kb. |
| 09:50.41 | koen | and the fluendo people are improving glib |
| 09:53.24 | florian_kc | sounds interesting... |
| 09:59.07 | Cwiiis | Hopefully they'll be able to magically trim a few megs off :) |
| 09:59.41 | koen | or make it 20 times faster |
| 10:00.01 | koen | and rewrite cairo in arm-asm for sa and pxa |
| 10:00.16 | Cwiiis | Yeah :) |
| 10:00.23 | Cwiiis | In fact, rewrite everything in arm-asm :) |
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| 10:02.17 | koen | Cwiiis: you can have that, but nothing else will fit :) |
| 10:02.24 | koen | hey mallum |
| 10:02.37 | Cwiiis | koen: Y'know, I'm not even sure if I could have it, with nothing else :p |
| 10:02.40 | Cwiiis | Morning mallum |
| 10:03.05 | mallum | hey koen , Cwiiis + all |
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| 10:06.08 | florian_kc | oops |
| 10:19.08 | koen | florian_kc: coffee overflow? |
| 10:20.15 | koen | on a h3970, none |
| 10:20.22 | koen | mtd/3 should be 16mb |
| 10:20.34 | p0m | Then why is /home mtd/2? |
| 10:20.38 | p0m | By default. |
| 10:20.45 | koen | on h5xxx it's 16mb |
| 10:21.06 | p0m | Adding the extra line to fstab only makes mounting a pain. |
| 10:21.18 | p0m | You have to edit it to say mtd/3 instead of mtd/2 |
| 10:26.12 | p0m | Hey koen, how would I remove the "Games" and "Settings" folders on the desktop? |
| 10:26.21 | p0m | Without removing them from the menu, that is. |
| 10:27.16 | florian_kc | koen: no... i played with x2x, looks like ctrl+alt+backspace is not sent to the remote display ;-) |
| 10:27.20 | koen | that would be a question for mallum |
| 10:27.44 | koen | florian_kc: D'oh |
| 10:28.09 | mallum | florian_kc: iirc c-a-b is not sent via normal x event mechanism |
| 10:28.30 | florian_kc | mallum: now i know ;-) |
| 10:29.24 | p0m | In that case, mallum, same question :) |
| 10:31.34 | mallum | p0m: check the matchbox manual |
| 10:32.01 | mallum | p0m: you can do it but I cant remember how |
| 10:32.09 | p0m | Heh. |
| 10:32.21 | p0m | For some reason "Games" is showing up on my sectest install, after I mounted my home. |
| 10:33.54 | p0m | I thought matchbox was responsible for the dock and menu, not the desktop? |
| 10:34.45 | p0m | Ohh, and the manual has vanished? |
| 10:35.47 | p0m | Nevermind, I forgot it was elsewhere. |
| 10:39.23 | koen | p0m: we use matchbox-desktop for the desktop on smallscreen devices |
| 10:39.37 | p0m | Ahh. |
| 10:39.47 | p0m | I have no idea why the games folder is still showing. |
| 10:42.39 | p0m | And I'm not finding any way of removing it. |
| 10:43.12 | p0m | Ohh, I see. |
| 10:46.58 | p0m | Well, I've figured out how to remove it entirely, except I wanted it only removed from the desktop :| |
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| 11:15.29 | p0m | Dillo, or minimo. |
| 11:19.06 | p0m | koen: I'm testing out the latest CVS minimo. |
| 11:46.42 | p0m | koen|uni: Still no config dialog, and crashes when attempting to look at the about. |
| 11:50.06 | koen|uni | When I click on the config dialog it pops up the proxy settings |
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| 11:54.32 | Cwiiis | koen|uni / p0m : I don't get a config dialog either and it crashes when I click add bookmark - but the browsing works :) |
| 11:54.51 | koen|uni | hmmm |
| 11:55.09 | Cwiiis | not the very latest CVS though, the one in preferred-gpe-versions.inc |
| 11:55.35 | p0m | I'm using the one that's reported as the latest on ipkgfind. |
| 11:55.43 | koen|uni | Cwiiis: feel free to change the minimo cvsdate |
| 11:56.01 | Cwiiis | koen|uni: Might test a later version later on |
| 11:56.08 | p0m | Ohh, and that reminds me, no openobex on sectest. |
| 11:56.22 | Cwiiis | Think I might add a game to the oz base gpe-image... gsoko or something |
| 11:56.25 | p0m | There's libopenobex. |
| 11:57.53 | p0m | What I'm concerned with is obexftp. |
| 11:58.07 | p0m | Using obexftp you can grab phonebooks over bluetooth. |
| 11:58.59 | koen|uni | p0m: If you write up a list of apps + a summarry of what they do and mail it to gpe@handhelds.org I'll take a look at it |
| 11:59.08 | p0m | Will do. |
| 12:01.02 | p0m | koen|uni: Which do I have to install these days? openobex, or openobex-apps? |
| 12:03.05 | p0m | Openobex hasn't been updated since 0.72, whilst openobex-apps is in the v0.8.0 release. |
| 12:03.29 | p0m | Downloading both. |
| 12:03.40 | p0m | I'm going to try and install openobex-apps, and see if it needs openobex. |
| 12:04.31 | p0m | Hmm, no complaints./ |
| 12:06.12 | p0m | openobex-apps provides everything the outdated openobex does. |
| 12:06.25 | p0m | Aside from openobex-config. |
| 12:06.30 | p0m | Anyhow, bed time. |
| 12:06.37 | p0m | Night all. |
| 12:06.48 | florian_kc | p0m: good night |
| 12:07.03 | koen|uni | 'night p0m |
| 12:07.59 | p0m | Very far away. Gotta love timezones. |
| 12:08.05 | p0m | Speaking of which, GPE still mangles mine :) |
| 12:08.07 | p0m | Anyhow, bed. |
| 12:19.55 | Cwiiis | mallum: Seems iwlib in OE is a bit broken :/ including iwlib.h gives build errors |
| 12:26.59 | mallum | sigh |
| 12:26.59 | Cwiiis | iwlib comes in wireless-tools, right? Will try a different version or something |
| 12:29.24 | mallum | hmm libiw in debian |
| 12:29.30 | mallum | what errors do you get ? |
| 12:30.20 | Cwiiis | "/arm-linux/include/wireless.h:480: error: parse error before "caddr_t"" is the first error, I haven't looked at the file properly yet - might just be a simple fix |
| 12:30.32 | koen|uni | -D_GNU_SOURCE |
| 12:30.51 | koen|uni | do CFLAGS+="-D_GNU_SOURCE" in the .bb |
| 12:30.58 | Cwiiis | koen|uni: ah, ok, will give that a go |
| 12:32.39 | Cwiiis | koen|uni: What does that define do? |
| 12:33.05 | mallum | This is the stupid -D flags from the X11.pc file |
| 12:33.20 | mallum | that says 'behave like its 1984' |
| 12:34.28 | koen|uni | how orwell like |
| 12:35.26 | Cwiiis | that doesn't stop the error... wireless.h comes from the kernel, doesn't it? |
| 12:35.55 | Cwiiis | Or should the -D_GNU_SOURCE go in the .bb of the program trying to use wireless.h? |
| 12:37.56 | mallum | Cwiiis: probably safest to stick in right at the top of mb-applet-wireless.c |
| 12:38.05 | Cwiiis | ah, I see |
| 12:38.28 | Cwiiis | just trying it in the .bb first, don't want to taint your code :) |
| 12:39.17 | Cwiiis | heh, works fine in the .bb... |
| 12:39.22 | Cwiiis | Good stuff anyway, back to work :) |
| 12:40.55 | Cwiiis | mallum: Is there anything holding up a release of matchbox-wm btw? (what with the working compositor) |
| 12:41.54 | mallum | Cwiiis: well kind of |
| 12:42.08 | mallum | Cwiiis: the compositer should be working from svn |
| 12:42.27 | Cwiiis | mallum: That's what I mean |
| 12:42.44 | mallum | I dunno if people have tested it though |
| 12:43.09 | Cwiiis | works ok here :) |
| 12:43.22 | mallum | ah cool |
| 12:43.28 | mallum | even turning it on/off ? |
| 12:45.08 | Cwiiis | ah, not sure about that - will check (that's definitely broken in the current release) |
| 12:46.22 | Cwiiis | that still seems to be broken |
| 12:46.23 | Cwiiis | (puts the panel at the top and stops responding to all input - the device is still ok though) |
| 12:47.18 | mallum | urg |
| 12:47.23 | mallum | I'll take a look at that then |
| 12:47.38 | mallum | it could be the something in the server itself is broken |
| 12:48.17 | Cwiiis | I wouldn't be surprised - turning composite on/off has always been broken for me (on my pda that is, ok on desktop I think) |
| 12:50.44 | mallum | Cwiiis: on your desktop in xephyr ? |
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| 12:52.06 | Cwiiis | mallum: On my desktop, with xorg 6.8.2 |
| 12:52.30 | mallum | Cwiiis: with mb ? |
| 12:52.32 | Cwiiis | (loading xcompmgr and closing it) |
| 12:52.42 | Cwiiis | sorry, not with mb - I need to try it out |
| 12:53.32 | mallum | loading and closing xcompmgr is different to what mb does |
| 12:53.48 | Cwiiis | ah, ok |
| 12:53.55 | Cwiiis | I need to install xephyr... |
| 12:54.08 | Cwiiis | in debian/ubuntu by any chance? |
| 12:54.12 | mallum | nope |
| 12:54.15 | Cwiiis | k |
| 12:55.08 | mallum | it works fine in Xephyr |
| 12:55.35 | Cwiiis | ah, probably a kdrive problem then? |
| 12:58.01 | mallum | well Xephyr is a kdrive which is why its odd |
| 12:58.21 | Cwiiis | ah.. |
| 12:58.24 | mallum | it would be interesting to know if it works against xorg |
| 12:58.47 | Cwiiis | Would Xnest in xorg be a good enough test? Can try it now |
| 12:59.05 | koen|uni | does xnest do compositing? |
| 12:59.17 | Cwiiis | Not sure |
| 12:59.23 | Cwiiis | I'll test that now |
| 12:59.37 | koen|uni | iirc it inherits stuff from the main xserver |
| 13:02.33 | mallum | koen|uni: hell no |
| 13:02.41 | mallum | koen|uni: it dont even do render |
| 13:03.28 | Cwiiis | heh, just found that out :) |
| 13:26.20 | koen|uni | florian_kc: any news on gpe-conf? |
| 13:36.36 | florian_kc | koen|uni: not yet... another task for todays hacker meeting |
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| 13:53.51 | reenoo | afternoon |
| 13:53.57 | koen|uni | good afternoon mister Wagner |
| 13:54.20 | reenoo | heh |
| 13:54.30 | reenoo | hey Koen |
| 13:58.12 | Cwiiis | koen|uni: What's wrong with gpe-conf? |
| 13:58.53 | koen|uni | Cwiiis: I want the version with kbdd support :) |
| 13:58.59 | Cwiiis | ah :) |
| 13:59.10 | Cwiiis | I'd say working composite in matchbox-wm would be nice too |
| 13:59.15 | Cwiiis | (it's in svn) |
| 14:00.31 | koen|uni | defaulting it to "off" is good enough for me now |
| 14:00.55 | Cwiiis | yes, definitely default off - but nice to be able to switch it on, if you like that sort of thing |
| 14:01.07 | Cwiiis | Seems collie shortcut keys have stopped working, will have to see why that is... |
| 14:01.24 | koen|uni | that should be fixed with using the old xext |
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| 14:08.00 | Cwiiis | koen|uni: Ah ok, cool :) Have you change preferred-gpe-versions already? |
| 14:08.13 | Cwiiis | or testing? |
| 14:09.43 | Cwiiis | mallum: er, am I missing something, or is the required change in the wireless applet just the pop-up? I've got the output so that it's the same as the old one now, not sure how much sense it makes, but was just a case of changing the sprintf... |
| 14:10.05 | koen|uni | Cwiiis: I changed preferred-gpe-versions already |
| 14:10.10 | Cwiiis | koen|uni: Cool |
| 14:10.24 | koen|uni | but you'll need to clean staging and deploy to get rid of the old one |
| 14:10.33 | Cwiiis | koen|uni: I'll make that mb-wm-gtk-themes package today :) |
| 14:10.42 | Cwiiis | I need to do a complete rebuild anyway, I'll wipe tmp |
| 14:10.59 | reenoo | mb-wm-gtk-themes package? |
| 14:11.01 | mallum | Cwiiis: yeah Id done much of it already ( tough hackily ) |
| 14:11.30 | mallum | Cwiiis: I dunno if it makes sense to make the top level 'wireless' struct a bit more sane. |
| 14:11.35 | Cwiiis | reenoo: The gtk theme for the borillo and MBOpus themes should be Angelistic |
| 14:12.48 | reenoo | Cwiiis: I see |
| 14:13.21 | Cwiiis | mallum: That might be an idea - also, I'll add markers after level/noise to show that they're measured in dBm, they're pretty meaningless otherwise |
| 14:14.14 | mallum | Cwiiis: it would be nice to have a 'proper' wireless applet like they have in gnome |
| 14:14.21 | mallum | Cwiiis: that let you select AP etc |
| 14:15.13 | Cwiiis | mallum: Would it be too much trouble to just port Gnome's do you think? |
| 14:17.53 | reenoo | heh |
| 14:18.55 | reenoo | http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~rwagner/planet-wtf.png |
| 14:19.48 | reenoo | (mind the URI) |
| 14:20.02 | mallum | reenoo: mind todays date |
| 14:20.43 | koen|uni | heh |
| 14:20.50 | reenoo | heh |
| 14:20.54 | reenoo | good point |
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| 14:23.23 | koen|uni | everybody in the lab is gone |
| 14:23.35 | koen | bbl |
| 14:36.03 | Cwiiis | mallum: Would you agree with these vars as defining the Mwd struct? char *iface, char *essid, char *mode, int quality, int level, int noise |
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| 14:38.09 | bedboi | hi there |
| 14:40.00 | mallum | Cwiiis: yep |
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| 14:59.52 | koen | hey bedboi |
| 15:05.42 | florian_kc | bedboi: hi |
| 15:39.39 | Cwiiis | mallum: Reworked the Mwd struct a bit and made the panel display a bit nicer, just about to test |
| 15:41.06 | koen | Cwiiis: does it get the right ssid's now? |
| 15:41.16 | Cwiiis | koen: Possibly |
| 15:41.46 | Cwiiis | koen: I have it (theoretically) displaying quality (as a percentage), essid, mode, signal level and signal noise |
| 15:45.41 | Cwiiis | heh, segfaults :) |
| 15:46.16 | Cwiiis | silly error... |
| 15:50.59 | Cwiiis | works :) |
| 15:52.46 | Cwiiis | mallum: send patch to mallum@o-hand.com? |
| 16:00.39 | mallum | Cwiiis: yes please :) |
| 16:10.27 | Cwiiis | mallum: sent |
| 16:13.37 | florian_kc | bbl |
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| 16:26.05 | mallum | Cwiiis: looks cool, thanks |
| 16:26.14 | mallum | Cwiiis: will apply and test in a mo |
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| 16:50.46 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 16:53.12 | koen | hey jsmanrique |
| 16:54.20 | jsmanrique | I like the russian xkbd.. |
| 16:57.12 | koen | I wonder why the keys aren't squares anymore |
| 16:57.59 | koen | it makes it look cheesy |
| 16:58.30 | Cwiiis | mallum: Cool :) |
| 17:00.46 | mallum | its really really nice that keyboard |
| 17:01.03 | mallum | he spent alot of time doing that I bet |
| 17:15.33 | Cwiiis | mallum: Think you'll be doing a matchbox-wm release before next wednesday? (wondering whether to use an svn build in oz next week) |
| 17:16.13 | mallum | Cwiiis: yeah it would be good to get one out before next wednesday |
| 17:16.30 | Cwiiis | excellent :) |
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| 17:16.59 | jsmanrique | :) |
| 17:16.59 | jsmanrique | yes, I like squared keys, just a change |
| 17:16.59 | jsmanrique | news? |
| 17:17.51 | Cwiiis | I never saw the square keys, but I think I'd prefer the rounded ones |
| 17:18.24 | mallum | Cwiiis: you can change em in the xkbd layout file |
| 17:19.09 | Cwiiis | ah, heh, just noticed standard qwerty uses squares... (always use tiny) |
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| 17:28.11 | jsmanrique | hi, again |
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| 17:34.02 | mallum | hey jserv0 |
| 17:34.05 | mallum | hey jsmanrique |
| 17:34.08 | mallum | hey j* |
| 17:35.15 | jsmanrique | testing opie in my h3870 |
| 17:35.41 | jsmanrique | it seems that opie-irc fails sometimes.. |
| 17:36.47 | pb_ | best to report that to #opie, not here. |
| 17:37.02 | jsmanrique | :) |
| 17:37.24 | jsmanrique | it has been debugged by a friend of mine |
| 17:37.31 | mallum | jsmanrique: HERETIC |
| 17:37.36 | mallum | BURNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN HIMMMMMMMMMMMM |
| 17:38.25 | jsmanrique | I tried to convince him to use GPE, but he is a KDE lover.. he hates Gtk :( |
| 17:39.38 | jsmanrique | mallum: but he likes matchbox :) |
| 17:39.46 | mallum | jsmanrique: maybe he could try KPE |
| 17:40.09 | jsmanrique | mallum: KPE? |
| 17:42.57 | mallum | jsmanrique: its my annoying pet name for GPE |
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| 17:53.20 | florian | re |
| 17:53.26 | koen | hey florian |
| 17:54.22 | pb_ | florian: good evening |
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| 18:57.31 | frem | Hey, can anyone tell me what file manager is in this screenshot? Is it a custom thing made for gpe? http://gpe.handhelds.org/screenshots/view_photo.php?set_albumName=release&id=gpe_filemanager |
| 18:58.17 | koen | gpe-filemanager |
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| 19:08.55 | florian | koen: do we have an up to date unstable feed? |
| 19:10.26 | koen | florian: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/feed/ |
| 19:10.51 | florian | koen: thanks |
| 19:12.53 | koen | florian: you might want to wait 5 minutes before using that feed |
| 19:13.28 | florian | koen: okay |
| 19:13.51 | koen | done |
| 19:27.39 | koen | florian: gpe-filemanager is in that feed now :) |
| 19:27.53 | florian | koen: that gooood :-) |
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| 19:34.08 | koen | still 1mb left :) |
| 19:34.28 | pb_ | hi zap_ |
| 19:35.08 | zap_ | evening, Phil |
| 19:35.44 | koen | florian: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.9580.png |
| 19:36.49 | koen | and http://handhelds.org/scap/port.9639.png |
| 19:37.42 | florian | nice |
| 19:37.54 | florian | and gpe on a journada 720 :-) |
| 19:39.15 | florian | *gnaaa* |
| 19:39.25 | florian | koen: i had the same idea :-) |
| 19:40.13 | koen | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.9925.png |
| 19:40.25 | koen | configurable icon size would be nice |
| 19:40.41 | koen | or does it use the standard desktop icons size? |
| 19:41.16 | koen | gpe-fm would look great on my Z |
| 19:41.42 | florian | koen: no, but that would be possible too... but i'm not sure if that mode is really useful at all. |
| 19:41.47 | Cwiiis | how big does gpe-fm + deps that aren't in base image come to, installed, these days? |
| 19:42.16 | koen | 1.6M iirc |
| 19:42.56 | koen | gconf-dbus saves a lot |
| 19:43.56 | Cwiiis | hmm, that's starting to get reasonable... |
| 19:44.23 | Cwiiis | If only we could chop off the 1, get it into the collie base image :) |
| 19:44.37 | reenoo | florian: ever managed to switch to the async gnome-vfs API? |
| 19:44.42 | florian | that reminds me to gnome-vfs |
| 19:45.05 | florian | reenoo: no, not so far... |
| 19:45.26 | reenoo | florian: np. just curious :) |
| 19:46.44 | florian | i just try to make gpe-conf work |
| 19:52.18 | reenoo | ah. cool |
| 19:53.15 | reenoo | I wonder if the "visual effects" aka composite stuff should be removed from gpe-conf. users _will_ enable it and things will break... |
| 19:53.44 | reenoo | (temporarily, until composite will be fixed) |
| 19:55.02 | Cwiiis | koen: What's wrong with gpe-conf at the moment? |
| 19:55.46 | Cwiiis | reenoo: It'd be better if it came up with a message saying you have to log out/in for that change to take place and that it won't be applied until then |
| 19:57.26 | reenoo | Cwiiis: that may prevent matchbox(-panel) from blowing up, but it won't fix other composite related breakage |
| 19:57.37 | Cwiiis | reenoo: What other composite related breakage? |
| 19:57.54 | reenoo | certain gtk windows popping up empty etc. |
| 19:58.07 | Cwiiis | reenoo: Fixed in matchbox-wm svn |
| 19:58.32 | reenoo | you're referring to the dialog boxes? |
| 19:58.38 | Cwiiis | Yes |
| 19:58.43 | reenoo | well. I'm not |
| 19:59.05 | Cwiiis | All the problems with windows appearing empty when low-lighting is used appear to be fixed - what other problems were there? |
| 20:00.36 | reenoo | <reenoo> certain gtk windows popping up empty |
| 20:00.53 | Cwiiis | What windows? Give me an example, I'll test it |
| 20:01.34 | reenoo | try running an AWT app with jamvm+classpath |
| 20:02.13 | reenoo | florian mentioned other programs suffering from the same problem. I forget the details |
| 20:02.39 | Cwiiis | Is there not a slightly more lightweight test I can do? Unless that doesn't take long to compile, but it sounds like it would |
| 20:03.33 | reenoo | I don't know |
| 20:04.35 | Cwiiis | Did you ever have that error occur without the empty dialogs error occurring? Just seems if one's fixed, likelihood is so's the other... |
| 20:05.04 | reenoo | that was before the empty dialogs issues |
| 20:06.25 | Cwiiis | Maybe you could try it out yourself? |
| 20:06.55 | reenoo | doubt it |
| 20:07.17 | Cwiiis | I'll check it out when I can |
| 20:08.47 | reenoo | cool |
| 20:39.28 | Cwiiis | does the alarm on gpe-clock panel applet work? I'm just wondering which to have by default... |
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| 21:27.07 | koen | ~curse digital cameras |
| 21:27.09 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, digital cameras ! |
| 21:30.05 | florian | :-) |
| 21:31.48 | reenoo | koen: send it my way if you don't like it |
| 21:31.51 | reenoo | :) |
| 21:34.05 | koen | picture off the day: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/Gallery/beestjes-adoorn2004/IMG_9250 |
| 21:34.53 | joshua_ | very nice composition |
| 21:35.09 | joshua_ | a little more DoF would've been nice to catch the edges of the flower |
| 21:35.24 | Philippe | koen, where can I find a familiar 0.8.2 gpe image? So I can test my help-viewer on Ipaq. |
| 21:35.48 | koen | familiar.handhelds.org/snapshots |
| 21:36.18 | koen | joshua_: yeah, I forgot to turn up the F number |
| 21:36.26 | Philippe | koen : ok thanks. Could not find this. |
| 21:40.36 | reenoo | koen: now that's impressively beautiful :) |
| 21:40.55 | reenoo | koen: I love pictures like that |
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| 21:44.05 | koen | reenoo: me too, I just hope my yield will increase to 3% in the future :) |
| 21:55.46 | florian | koen: your feed is missing latest kbdd |
| 21:56.49 | koen | cvsdate is pinned to yesterday |
| 21:56.57 | koen | so kbdd_0.8+cvs-20050331-r3_arm.ipk is the latest |
| 21:57.12 | florian | hrm... then my ipkg is broken |
| 21:58.21 | florian | Inflating http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/feed/Packages.gz |
| 21:58.21 | florian | Updated list of available packages in /usr/lib/ipkg/lists/unstable |
| 21:58.21 | florian | root@:~# ipkg install kbdd |
| 21:58.21 | florian | Package kbdd (20040904-r0) installed in root is up to date. |
| 21:58.27 | koen | florian: ipkg 0.99.147 give a complete error summary at the end |
| 21:58.31 | koen | ah |
| 21:58.52 | koen | 20040904 > 0.8 |
| 21:59.26 | koen | florian: install 0.8 by hand and force a downgrade |
| 21:59.31 | florian | yep |
| 22:23.55 | florian | koen: do you want to play with gpe-conf 0.1.23? |
| 22:24.03 | koen | sure |
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| 22:24.42 | koen | florian: do you have an ipkg or bb ready? |
| 22:26.14 | florian | koen: i have an ipkg |
| 22:26.59 | koen | url? |
| 22:27.04 | florian | koen: in my dir at hh.org |
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| 22:37.58 | koen | florian: rfcomm 1 is that rfcomm1 or rfcomm0 ? |
| 22:40.27 | florian | koen: thats rfcomm0 |
| 22:40.50 | koen | hmmm |
| 22:40.54 | koen | confusing |
| 22:41.34 | florian | hmm indeed, changed this... |
| 22:41.49 | koen | hmmm |
| 22:41.57 | koen | I suddenly get the default theme |
| 22:41.58 | mallum | blah |
| 22:48.16 | koen | florian: did you have a chance to look at the jacket battery thing in system info? |
| 22:48.39 | florian | koen: nope |
| 22:49.01 | koen | I noticed: could not open touchscreen device '/dev/touchscreen/0raw' |
| 22:49.01 | koen | open: Permission denied |
| 22:50.06 | koen | florian: can you make the keyboard type a dropdown box too? |
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| 22:58.07 | koen | florian: looks nice |
| 22:58.38 | koen | florian: last request can you look at the feed tap of the package manager? I think it ignores src/gz |
| 22:58.42 | koen | 'night all |
| 23:00.24 | florian | koen|sleep: ok |
| 23:01.33 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 23:01.39 | florian | reenoo, koen|sleep : good night |
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| 23:59.19 | GeeSeCillo | hi |
