| 00:04.38 | pb_ | mallum: oh, hm. I'm fairly sure that detect-stylus still sets Matchbox.cursor: no in Xrm, so if the code is still there then it ought still to work. |
| 00:04.38 | mallum | Cwiiis: doh I cant get any desktop app to come up blank :( |
| 00:05.32 | Cwiiis | hmm :/ Is there anything significantly different between the compositors in mb-wm 0.8 and 0.9? |
| 00:05.33 | pb_ | but, afaik, yes, the "dot" cursor was indeed using the matchbox stuff |
| 00:06.10 | mallum | Cwiiis: not really |
| 00:06.17 | Cwiiis | odd :/ |
| 00:06.38 | mallum | Cwiiis: you didn't downgrade any X stuff just mb ? |
| 00:06.45 | Cwiiis | mallum: Just mb. |
| 00:07.48 | mallum | Cwiiis: have you tried a recent svn build ? I added a fix for argb wins which could very unlikely fix the other thing |
| 00:08.18 | Cwiiis | mallum: I haven't, no - How recent? I'll give it a try |
| 00:08.35 | mallum | Cwiiis: like the last few days |
| 00:08.51 | Cwiiis | mallum: k |
| 00:11.25 | mallum | Cwiiis: you have your z at hand, with libxcursor and xcursor-transparent-theme installed ? |
| 00:11.48 | Cwiiis | mallum: Yes |
| 00:12.05 | mallum | Create the file "~/.icons/default/index.theme" with the following |
| 00:12.05 | mallum | contents; |
| 00:12.05 | mallum | [Icon Theme] |
| 00:12.06 | mallum | Inherits=xcursor-transparent |
| 00:12.34 | mallum | then log in out, maybe the cursor dissapear |
| 00:13.09 | Cwiiis | mallum: Lemme just check that the cursor's definitely there first.. |
| 00:14.01 | mallum | Cwiiis: there should be a /usr/share/icons/xcursor-transparent |
| 00:17.35 | Cwiiis | mallum: cursor still there |
| 00:19.28 | Cwiiis | (with what you just suggested) |
| 00:19.48 | mallum | hmm, there are files in /usr/share/icons/xcursor-transparent ? |
| 00:21.15 | Cwiiis | mallum: Yes, there's a cursors directory, with a subdirectory full of symlinks and one file |
| 00:22.23 | Cwiiis | (and all the symlinks pointing to that file) |
| 00:24.05 | mallum | Cwiiis: you have strace installed ? |
| 00:24.35 | Cwiiis | mallum: No, but I can install it if you want |
| 00:25.47 | mallum | Cwiiis: it may be worth stracing any X app and seeing if its trying to load libxcursor and if so what its then stating |
| 00:26.30 | florian_ | good night |
| 00:26.40 | Cwiiis | night flori |
| 00:26.41 | mallum | florian_: night |
| 00:26.43 | Cwiiis | heh |
| 00:32.48 | Cwiiis | hurray, fixed my stylus holding code I think :D |
| 00:34.53 | reenoo_ | 'night all |
| 00:35.00 | Cwiiis | night reenoo_ |
| 00:36.09 | Cwiiis | pb_: At the moment, I just connect my stylus-hold detection callback to the main window - but if you hold over widgets contained in the window, it doesn't work - Think it's a particularly bad idea to attach it to all widgets in the window? |
| 00:36.55 | mallum | bed for me too |
| 00:36.58 | mallum | gnight all |
| 00:37.18 | mallum | Cwiiis: lemme know if strace turns up anything, I can have a play on my ipaq over weekend |
| 00:37.23 | Cwiiis | night mallum - Will run that strace and give you the results tomorrow if I can |
| 00:37.23 | pb_ | Cwiiis: It certainly needs to work everywhere. If attaching it to all the widgets is the best way to do that then, sure, go ahead. |
| 00:37.40 | Cwiiis | mallum: Do you have an address I can mail to in case you aren't on irc? |
| 00:37.48 | mallum | Cwiiis: mallum@o-hand.com |
| 00:37.52 | Cwiiis | mallum: cheers |
| 00:38.04 | mallum | Cwiiis: thank you too for checking this out :) |
| 00:38.11 | mallum | really g'night now |
| 01:29.05 | Cwiiis | argh, this is frustrating... I need to ssh in to my pda :/ |
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| 01:45.08 | Cwiiis | oh brill, it seems that a mouse released event is sent half a second after a pressed event, no matter what... |
| 01:46.11 | Cwiiis | pb_: I'm starting to think that what I'm trying to do is impossible :/ |
| 01:47.38 | Cwiiis | Will have to give up for now, I need ssh access to continue |
| 01:49.19 | Cwiiis | well, one more test... |
| 01:56.49 | Cwiiis | need ssh.. |
| 02:08.30 | Cwiiis | sleep. |
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| 09:02.39 | qbc | hi there |
| 09:02.56 | qbc | is somebody here i need help? :-) |
| 09:04.28 | qbc | hihi now my Problem: I can't boot gpe i still see the login screen and the cursor is blinking, everything fine but i can't write something. i have befor this bug was make a ipkg update and ipkg upgrade to unstable, maybee not so good idea? |
| 09:05.02 | qbc | ... with usb i have full acess to ipaq and i can do serval things like packets remove or install or so.. |
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| 10:32.16 | gremlin[it] | hi to all |
| 10:32.36 | gremlin[it] | does some one can answer a question ? |
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| 10:56.42 | p0m | Hey pb_. |
| 10:56.50 | pb_ | hi p0m |
| 10:56.58 | gremlin[it] | hi pb_ |
| 10:57.04 | gremlin[it] | a question for u :) |
| 10:57.27 | gremlin[it] | why gpe-session-scripts need gpe-bluetooth ??? :) |
| 11:00.25 | pb_ | gremlin[it]`dinn: because it runs gpe-auto-bluetooth at login time, iirc. |
| 11:00.55 | pb_ | It'd probably be OK to make that an RRECOMMENDS rather than RDEPENDS. |
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| 12:05.37 | koen | bbl |
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| 12:06.18 | reenoo | morning |
| 12:19.49 | gremlin[it] | pb_ yes better specially for old (h3600) ipaq without internal BT |
| 12:30.24 | pb_ | ok. please go ahead and make that change. |
| 12:31.13 | gremlin[it] | mhhh ok i'll try ;) |
| 12:33.23 | gremlin[it] | at now i have "freeze" my local copy of oe to be fast building ... as soon i'll produce a functional image i'll recheck and send patch :) |
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| 12:54.49 | reenoo | pb_: any suggestions on how to debug something like this? "/home2/oe/bakery/build-familiar-h3600/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib/libnrcore.so: undefined reference to `QPainter::currentContext()'". obviously libnrcore isn't linked properly, but I can't figure out what's going wrong. |
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| 14:11.50 | pb_ | reenoo|afk: you'll have to inspect all your shared libraries to find out which one defines that function. |
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| 15:28.23 | florian | hello! |
| 15:38.47 | koen|afk | hey florian |
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| 16:11.29 | pb_ | florian: good afternoon! |
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| 16:15.03 | florian | hi koen, hi pb_ |
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| 16:33.11 | Cwiiis | florian: Odd bug I noticed in gpe-calendar btw - when you add a new task from the week view, all the icons are missing from the buttons (it still works ok and everything though) |
| 16:33.40 | gremlin[it] | what is the right way to manage in oe different definition of 'gpe-task-base' package for different architecture (h3600 vs h3900 as example) ??? |
| 16:36.03 | florian | Cwiiis: sounds nasty... i wonder what could cause this. |
| 16:37.24 | florian | gremlin[it]: soemting like gpe-task-base_h3600+="..." might work, but i'm not really sure about this. |
| 16:38.09 | gremlin[it] | yes can be .. but usually (for h3600) i would cutoff some package instead of add .. |
| 16:39.29 | gremlin[it] | i'm thinking to provide vitual package 'gpe-task-base' and on machine definition set the prefered provider for such virtual package but imply to touch a lot of files :( |
| 16:39.54 | florian | hmm i wonder if -= is implemented in oe ;-) |
| 16:40.09 | gremlin[it] | heheh :) ... in python ??? |
| 16:41.56 | florian | right... i'm almost sure this will work but that would cause some confusion. |
| 16:42.29 | florian | i thin kit would be better to have a really basic gpe-task-base and add the additional stuff then. |
| 16:43.47 | gremlin[it] | i'm workind of a gpe image for h3600 ... that support only hardware present in a nacked ipaq without jackets ... i save lot of space cutting off wireless and bluetooth ... |
| 16:44.48 | gremlin[it] | so could be better split some gpe-task-* package ... |
| 16:45.02 | florian | ah right, that sounds useful for the 16mb devices |
| 16:45.19 | gremlin[it] | yep :) |
| 16:45.45 | gremlin[it] | i think can be useful for any device have an image that support only internal device |
| 16:46.22 | puks | hi, is there already shipped with the familiar 0.8.0 gpe image some multimedia program to play mp3s or oggs? |
| 16:46.41 | gremlin[it] | my gpe-image now are 11028K |
| 16:48.39 | florian | puks: not it failed to build, but you can install the package from unstable feed. it is gpe-nmf |
| 16:48.54 | florian | gremlin[it]: sounds good! |
| 16:49.22 | florian | gremlin[it]: some "gpe-image-mini" target would be very nice. |
| 16:49.32 | puks | florian, thanks |
| 16:49.41 | gremlin[it] | internally i named it "naked" :) |
| 16:50.06 | florian | puks: it might need -force-depends to install it. |
| 16:50.15 | florian | gremlin[it]: heh |
| 16:50.25 | puks | florian, ok :) |
| 16:51.33 | gremlin[it] | at now the only bad thing i had to modify h3600.conf to cut off instalaltion of unnecessary kernel modules ... except that can be integrated in oe about clearly |
| 16:52.11 | gremlin[it] | at now the only bad thing is i had to modify h3600.conf ... (sorry english isn't my language) |
| 16:54.35 | florian | hmm right |
| 17:00.33 | gremlin[it] | i think split h3600.conf into h3600 h3800 h3900 would be not so bad ... ;) |
| 17:10.15 | gremlin[it] | hemm h3900 already exist ... |
| 17:23.56 | florian | yep... h3900 is pxa |
| 17:27.31 | koen | re |
| 17:28.41 | florian | koen: wb |
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| 17:36.44 | koen | hey florian |
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| 18:21.38 | florian | jg: hello |
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| 18:22.23 | jg | hi florian |
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| 18:43.00 | puks | hi, I am flashing with the gpe image and after the upload of the image was complete, writing the data at a certain moment stopped |
| 18:43.17 | puks | like this: addr: 001D0000 data: AFB |
| 18:43.24 | puks | and it is idle now (it seems) |
| 18:46.15 | florian | puks: hmm... serial upload? |
| 18:46.19 | puks | yeas |
| 18:46.23 | puks | i interrupted it now |
| 18:46.32 | puks | i will try to reflash again from the beginning |
| 18:47.20 | florian | did you get a prompt after the utput stopped? |
| 18:47.34 | puks | yes |
| 18:47.38 | puks | i got a prompot |
| 18:47.50 | puks | then I exited minicom |
| 18:47.53 | puks | restarted again the ipaq |
| 18:47.58 | puks | and now I will try to reflash |
| 18:48.30 | florian | i think this is ok... a side effect using minicom. |
| 18:48.36 | puks | hope so :-D |
| 18:48.42 | florian | imho the image is flashed... |
| 18:48.47 | puks | yes |
| 18:48.58 | puks | but if i tell "boot" from the serial |
| 18:49.05 | puks | it boot but gives many errors |
| 18:49.14 | puks | probably it didn't finish the flashing |
| 18:49.24 | puks | I will reflash in a moment |
| 18:50.23 | puks | mmm |
| 18:50.23 | florian | this happens if you upload the image and wait a while before you close the upload dialog. |
| 18:50.36 | puks | it does not upload things |
| 18:50.40 | puks | NAK on sector |
| 18:50.46 | puks | it prints this many many times |
| 18:50.53 | puks | (it is still printing it) |
| 18:51.01 | florian | hrm strange |
| 18:51.14 | puks | i interrupted with ctrl-c |
| 18:51.17 | puks | mm |
| 18:51.18 | puks | now? |
| 18:52.07 | florian | ah you need to be faster... ymodem has a short timeout |
| 18:52.15 | puks | so? |
| 18:52.20 | puks | i was doing set ymodem 1 |
| 18:52.24 | puks | before sending files |
| 18:54.09 | florian | imho the defaults are ok, just "load root" should be ok |
| 18:55.05 | puks | now it is sending fine, i don't get any NAK on sector |
| 18:55.27 | puks | i'll see in some minutes if it is then able to complete flashing the memory |
| 18:55.35 | puks | i hope it will.. |
| 18:55.38 | puks | :| |
| 18:58.43 | reenoo | minicom rarely gets the first upload right. AFAIR I've always had to retry at least once |
| 18:59.07 | puks | ok.. |
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| 19:25.51 | puks | is it ok if at first boot it prints some lines like "jffs2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at 0x00e40018: 0x05bf instead" |
| 19:25.57 | puks | ? |
| 19:26.41 | florian | puks: the eraseblocksize of your image is wrong... |
| 19:26.51 | puks | so? |
| 19:26.59 | puks | what to do? |
| 19:27.10 | puks | indeed after I launched "boot" it does not boot |
| 19:27.20 | puks | what should I do? |
| 19:27.29 | puks | Is it something really bad? |
| 19:27.39 | florian | puks: or maybe the endianness... on which kind of device did you build this image? |
| 19:27.56 | puks | I got the images on the familiar web site |
| 19:28.05 | florian | eks! |
| 19:28.10 | puks | ? |
| 19:28.11 | florian | koen: ! |
| 19:28.30 | puks | florian, tell me, did something bad happen to my ipaq?? |
| 19:29.00 | puks | there is tux penguion on top-right of the screen.. |
| 19:29.02 | puks | what do I do now? |
| 19:29.03 | florian | puks: no... i don't think so. which model do you have? |
| 19:29.09 | puks | 3870 |
| 19:29.28 | puks | my next step would be to unplug the ipaq, stop minicom |
| 19:29.38 | puks | and reflash it again, maybe with something different |
| 19:29.43 | puks | just to see if it works |
| 19:30.17 | reenoo | IIRC you can ignore those errors |
| 19:30.31 | puks | ? |
| 19:30.32 | florian | reenoo: depends.... |
| 19:30.42 | puks | gpe didn't boot |
| 19:30.46 | florian | puks: how many errors did you get? |
| 19:30.50 | puks | many |
| 19:30.57 | puks | a lot |
| 19:31.15 | florian | reenoo: in this case this usually mena that the filesystem is borked. |
| 19:31.22 | puks | the gpe fs? |
| 19:31.27 | florian | yep |
| 19:31.33 | puks | so my ipaq is safe |
| 19:31.47 | puks | the "boot" command arrived at the point "Mounted devfs on /dev |
| 19:31.48 | puks | Freeing init memory: 68K" |
| 19:32.09 | gremlin[it] | can be only no zeroes in unused flash ? |
| 19:32.14 | puks | and it is idle now, blank screen with penguin on the ipaq screen. |
| 19:32.15 | florian | puks: yes... the only critical thing is the bootloader which is an a different flash partition. |
| 19:32.21 | puks | ok.. |
| 19:32.32 | puks | so I unplug the ipaq, reset it, and re-flash again.. |
| 19:32.38 | puks | what a nice saturday evening :-D |
| 19:33.04 | florian | i wonder what causes tis effect. |
| 19:33.08 | puks | i don't know |
| 19:33.14 | puks | are there other gpe images? |
| 19:33.23 | puks | i chose the 0.8.0 gpe image on the familiar page |
| 19:33.24 | florian | puks: is this a stable image? |
| 19:33.27 | koen | hmmm? |
| 19:33.28 | puks | tep |
| 19:33.30 | puks | yes |
| 19:33.33 | florian | hrm |
| 19:33.47 | florian | this works fine on h3870 i have the same |
| 19:33.53 | puks | bootgpe-v0.8.0-h3600.tar |
| 19:34.16 | koen | did you upload the tar or the jffs2? |
| 19:34.22 | puks | the tar |
| 19:34.40 | florian | puks: it might be a good idea to upload the jffs2 |
| 19:34.44 | florian | ;-) |
| 19:34.55 | florian | the tar is only for reference... |
| 19:35.07 | puks | but I uploaded the tar for opie |
| 19:35.18 | puks | mm |
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| 19:35.37 | koen | tar xvf bootgpe-v0.8.0-h3600.tar |
| 19:35.41 | puks | yes i know |
| 19:35.42 | gremlin[it] | is still broken the kdrive ? i have CVSDATE_xserver-kdrive=20050207 to be able to compile |
| 19:35.52 | puks | ok, let's flash again.. |
| 19:36.00 | koen | I haven't tried any later kdrives |
| 19:36.09 | reenoo | florian: hmm, right. I just checked my logs and I confused it with an even more alarming error message which was a bug in the jffs2 code that could be safely ignored |
| 19:36.26 | puks | thanks guys |
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| 19:36.48 | florian | reenoo: ah right... |
| 19:36.54 | florian | puks: yw |
| 19:39.35 | koen | "it's dead for a reason", brilliant :) |
| 19:40.29 | florian | :-) |
| 19:42.50 | reenoo | heh, yeah |
| 19:43.04 | reenoo | that guy is pretty annoying |
| 19:44.42 | koen | the term bloat always reminds me of goneme, and I therefore ignore those posts |
| 19:47.58 | reenoo | hehe |
| 19:48.16 | gremlin[it] | florian, seem my small h3600 image setup wouldn't be part of official oe stuff ... so i'll try to put on my web page the bitbake changes and maybe a prebuild jffs2 image ready to flash ... |
| 19:48.56 | florian | gremlin[it]: that would be a nice idea |
| 19:53.25 | gremlin[it] | uff .. i checkout openembedded ... and bluetooth appair again in the rootfs !!! grrrrrrrr |
| 20:03.09 | koen|tv | florian: in which hotel are you staying in brussels? |
| 20:07.27 | florian | hmm.. |
| 20:08.08 | florian | koen|tv: Atlas |
| 20:08.18 | koen|tv | ah, cool |
| 20:08.22 | florian | ~lart Medion |
| 20:08.41 | koen|tv | now I have some people to follow to get to the hotel |
| 20:09.01 | florian | This stupid gps doesn't know about umlauts :-/ |
| 20:09.28 | florian | koen|tv: heh - a detailed map is a very good idea in brussels... |
| 20:09.46 | koen|tv | pygps :) |
| 20:09.53 | koen|tv | or gpsdrive |
| 20:10.32 | koen|tv | I have a bit of an advantage, as I speak the language |
| 20:10.44 | florian | we used gpsdrive last year... the only problem was to find the correct campus of brussels university |
| 20:11.44 | florian | koen|tv: did they ever decide for a language? ;-) |
| 20:11.52 | koen|tv | nope |
| 20:12.27 | koen|tv | still french/flemish and german |
| 20:29.37 | puks | (finally I have GPE installed) Are the multimedia apps for gpe updated? For example, is gpe-nmf an usable mp3 player? |
| 20:30.39 | koen|tv | gpe-nmf is pretty usable |
| 20:31.40 | puks | thanks |
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| 20:37.24 | Pigi | Ciao all |
| 20:38.13 | koen|tv | hey Pigi |
| 20:38.31 | Pigi | hey koen|tv it's a lot of time..... |
| 20:38.58 | koen|tv | what's a lot of time? |
| 20:39.13 | Pigi | we don't see ourself :) |
| 20:39.39 | koen|tv | ah, yes, indeed :) |
| 20:41.22 | koen|tv | wow, I can buy w1nd0w5 2000 real cheap according to this emails |
| 20:42.26 | gremlin[it] | 16$ ?? |
| 20:42.35 | puks | my ipaq is not connect, is it safe to install gpe program copying the ipkgs on a SD card and then ipkg install *.ipk from there? Or will I break something? |
| 20:42.38 | florian | Pigi: hi! |
| 20:42.46 | Pigi | hi florian ! |
| 20:42.59 | koen|tv | gremlin[it]: dunno, I just read the subject :) |
| 20:43.23 | florian | puks: this is ok, don't forget that there may be some dependencies... |
| 20:44.00 | gremlin[it] | koen|tv, what i hate are "italian crafted rolex" ... grrr |
| 20:44.31 | koen|tv | heh |
| 20:44.33 | Pigi | the betters :) |
| 20:44.57 | puks | florian, yeas, I am getting all the ipkgs needed checking the deps on ipkgfind |
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| 21:01.31 | gremlin[it] | ok .. with last updates of oe ... ---> 11028Kbyte for a gpe-image ;) :) :) |
| 21:04.06 | gremlin[it] | koen|tv ... now i try with the last cvs for kdrive ... let see ... |
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| 21:09.31 | koen|tv | hey p0m |
| 21:09.47 | p0m | Hey koen. |
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| 21:16.57 | koen|tv | hey dc |
| 21:18.03 | koen|tv | ehm |
| 21:19.02 | koen|tv | dc_ of course |
| 21:21.23 | dc_ | heey |
| 21:21.31 | florian | hi dc_ |
| 21:22.17 | puks | there are some packages which have a wrong dependency name: libglib2.0-0 instead of libglib-2.0-0 (see the first dash) |
| 21:23.07 | koen|tv | libglib2 is the correct name |
| 21:23.24 | puks | I took the latest libglib |
| 21:23.32 | puks | but it provides libglib-2 |
| 21:23.37 | puks | so other packages fail.. |
| 21:23.41 | puks | how do I fix that? |
| 21:27.07 | puks | :( |
| 21:27.43 | puks | i think i can "safely" install forcing dependecies, since the libs requires anyway are present in the system |
| 21:29.15 | florian | right... i suspect this is that renaming stuff that fails. |
| 21:29.40 | puks | what if i edit insde /usr/lib/ipkg ? :-D |
| 21:29.52 | puks | the control file for libglib |
| 21:30.01 | puks | it says "Package: libglib-2.0-0" |
| 21:30.14 | puks | i can remove the first dash |
| 21:30.18 | puks | I guess it works |
| 21:30.49 | florian | maybe... or just use -force-depends |
| 21:31.09 | puks | with force-depends I must first check that the other "real" dependencies are satisfied |
| 21:31.18 | puks | otherways I would install something not functional.. |
| 21:31.53 | florian | right... |
| 21:31.55 | puks | in my GPE installation the pre-installed packages all depend on libglib-2.0-0 |
| 21:32.05 | puks | not on libglib2.0-0 |
| 21:32.13 | puks | so the newer packages have a different name |
| 21:32.18 | puks | why this change? |
| 21:32.37 | florian | sounds like a bug |
| 21:32.40 | p0m | puks: I know what you mean. I tried to install gpe-nmf the other day, and it told me I was missing something that I had installed. |
| 21:32.46 | puks | definetely now my only choise is to use force-depends, otherways I will break my system :) |
| 21:32.49 | p0m | And iirc it was libglib-2.0-0 |
| 21:32.55 | puks | yeah |
| 21:32.58 | puks | exactly |
| 21:33.33 | puks | p0m, anyway do u like this gpe-nmf? I would like to use my ipaq as an mp3 reader, since now it is just a gadget on my table.. |
| 21:34.02 | p0m | I haven't even seen gpe-nmf. I just went to install it because it said gpe. |
| 21:34.08 | p0m | At the moment I'm using madplay-esd. |
| 21:34.15 | puks | ah |
| 21:34.27 | p0m | And typing the output strings on the command line with a virtual keyboard is a pain in the behind :) |
| 21:34.50 | puks | well, i would say a real hand.. |
| 21:35.02 | puks | i am using the serial line console |
| 21:35.03 | puks | eh eh |
| 21:35.15 | p0m | Heh. |
| 21:35.25 | puks | it seems like "libaudiofile0" was "libaudiofile" before |
| 21:35.29 | puks | :( |
| 21:35.41 | p0m | I can't get ppp or usbnet working, so until my CF expansion turns up, I'm copying files across the serial. |
| 21:36.01 | puks | i am using a 256 SD card to pass files.. |
| 21:36.10 | puks | eventually i will use it to listen to some music |
| 21:36.15 | p0m | Heh. |
| 21:36.16 | puks | if I can make this brick work |
| 21:36.22 | p0m | I'm sending files across the serial to the SD card. |
| 21:36.29 | puks | eh eh |
| 21:36.33 | reenoo | p0m: regarding ppp you have followed the instructions in the release notes though? |
| 21:36.45 | p0m | reenoo: Yeah, this is a windows issue. |
| 21:37.14 | puks | p0m, so if i want to just listen mp3s, not having a gui, i can rely on madplay? |
| 21:37.15 | p0m | 2k3 server doesn't recognize usbnet, and I can't for the life of me get a windows ppp connection over serial working. |
| 21:38.12 | reenoo | p0m: ah, right. I vaguely remember that being a pain in windows. |
| 21:39.10 | reenoo | puks: where are you getting the ipks from? |
| 21:39.29 | puks | ipkfind.. |
| 21:39.45 | puks | please don't tell me they aren't good |
| 21:39.51 | puks | or I kill myself.. |
| 21:40.14 | puks | I would cut my body with the SD card full of ipkg |
| 21:40.18 | puks | :'( |
| 21:40.50 | florian | puks: the unstable feed is more up to date... |
| 21:41.00 | puks | :''''''( |
| 21:41.17 | puks | what is the url? :/ |
| 21:41.58 | florian | hrm... familiar.handhelds.org/feeds/unstable... iirc |
| 21:42.33 | puks | mm |
| 21:42.35 | reenoo | puks: it looks like the unstable feed has been enabled in ipkgfind (didn't know that). you should be fine with those ipks |
| 21:42.43 | puks | ok! |
| 21:42.51 | puks | :D |
| 21:43.19 | reenoo | puks: except that they're more recent and have dependencies to more recent libs etc. |
| 21:43.46 | puks | with respect to the gpe pre-installed packages you mean? |
| 21:44.07 | gremlin[it] | question : i would reflash my ipaq ... what ca i backup and restore after reflash to keep user and desktop preference ? (the version is about the same .. tw0 builds of familiar 0.8.1 ) |
| 21:44.10 | puks | after one day of re-flashing, forcing dependencies will be a trivial game |
| 21:44.27 | reenoo | puks: compared to those in the familiar 0.8.0 images |
| 21:44.32 | puks | ok |
| 21:44.45 | reenoo | gremlin[it]: just /home should be sufficient for that |
| 21:44.47 | puks | reenoo, are there 0.8.1 images for non developers? |
| 21:45.16 | puks | i imagine it would be easier to isntall new packages starting with that version |
| 21:45.18 | gremlin[it] | thanks reenoo ... but also passwords ??? |
| 21:45.19 | reenoo | puks: see topic |
| 21:45.40 | puks | oh |
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| 21:46.01 | reenoo | gremlin[it]: no. system wide configuration files reside in /etc |
| 21:46.30 | gremlin[it] | mhhh ok thanks ... |
| 21:46.51 | puks | reenoo, gpe-image-h3600-20050217174015.rootfs.jffs2 ? (i have ipaq 3870) |
| 21:47.24 | gremlin[it] | mhh in unstable-images can u host my shrinked version of gpe for ipaq h3600 ??? |
| 21:48.06 | reenoo | puks: sounds like the most recent one. you'd have to aks koen|tv for details on how well it works |
| 21:48.22 | puks | ok.. |
| 21:48.24 | puks | thanks |
| 21:48.56 | reenoo | gremlin[it]: no. but you could submit patches against OE so that those could be built for the next snapshot/release |
| 21:48.56 | koen|tv | gpe works well, opie is broken (as usual) |
| 21:49.02 | reenoo | hehe |
| 21:49.31 | gremlin[it] | they don-t want to accept ;( |
| 21:49.48 | puks | koen|tv, so the latest gpe image for h3600 works? |
| 21:49.48 | reenoo | "they"? |
| 21:50.12 | koen|tv | I only tested the h3900 ones |
| 21:50.16 | puks | oh |
| 21:50.21 | gremlin[it] | if i remember correct pb_ |
| 21:50.39 | gremlin[it] | cause i touched the h3600.conf machine definition ... |
| 21:51.21 | gremlin[it] | to cutoff unuseful kernel moduels |
| 21:52.20 | koen|tv | unusefull is a relative term |
| 21:52.56 | reenoo | gremlin[it]: well. obviously you'll have to figure out a clean way to implement the idea. but the idea in general sounds good to me. |
| 21:52.58 | puks | so if i install this 0.8.1 image, where should I manually get the ipkgs of other programs to install? |
| 21:53.14 | reenoo | puks: from the unstable feed |
| 21:53.15 | Tonyx | ---- 8-< ----- |
| 21:53.28 | puks | reenoo, ok |
| 21:54.51 | reenoo | gremlin[it]: somewhere along the lines of adding a h3800 machine type (which in itself isn't a perfect solution) |
| 21:55.28 | koen|tv | that idea got shot down a while ago |
| 21:55.50 | koen|tv | moving the modules to ipaq-common would be better |
| 21:56.29 | gremlin[it] | koen|tv but also well defien what is common and what no ... what is depent and what is recommend :) |
| 21:57.26 | gremlin[it] | i hope the patch i send today will be accepted .. so gpe-bluetooth will be recommend and not depent for gpe-session-startup ... |
| 21:57.41 | reenoo | koen|tv: IMHO there are 2 options: either find a way to produce two separate images for h3600 and h3800 or drop support for genuine h3600 |
| 21:58.23 | reenoo | koen|tv: space wise, the current situation on h3600 is not acceptable |
| 21:58.39 | gremlin[it] | my image is 11M |
| 21:59.24 | koen|tv | dropping 16M images isn't acceptable, as newr ipaq (h1900) have 16mb too |
| 21:59.51 | reenoo | you've got the point then |
| 22:00.26 | gremlin[it] | IMHO images have to contain support for only the internal hardware of the device ... addin card need add in module ;) |
| 22:00.47 | koen|tv | no |
| 22:00.53 | p0m | On the topic of dropping things, why is Linphone still on the 3900 image and not working? :P |
| 22:01.05 | koen|tv | linphone works over here |
| 22:01.11 | gremlin[it] | why no koen|tv ? |
| 22:01.48 | koen|tv | because most users are too dumb to install extra modules and start sending hate mail when their card suddenly fails with a newer image |
| 22:02.24 | gremlin[it] | mhhh ok ... so at lear have two choise ... minimal and full ;) |
| 22:02.28 | p0m | koen|tv: What's it supposed to do? Mine blinks to notify you and does nothing. |
| 22:03.03 | p0m | Ohh, and with the 0.8.1, did you get bored or something, there's like 6 games :) |
| 22:03.05 | gremlin[it] | minimal can use only depends package ... full also recommends ;) |
| 22:03.19 | Pigi | koen|tv, for what is worth, I don't really agree on this. If the user as enough smart to install familiar on thir ipaq, they could be educated on install what they need. |
| 22:03.37 | koen|tv | Pigi: no |
| 22:03.56 | p0m | Pigi: I agree somewhat, but if that approach were used, you'd need to supply a list of modules they'd need to install. |
| 22:04.09 | koen|tv | especially since both the gpe and opie packagemanagers are broken |
| 22:04.12 | p0m | But some users aren't that technically inclined. |
| 22:04.25 | p0m | koen|tv: How do you mean broken? |
| 22:04.53 | koen|tv | you can't install pacakges with both of them |
| 22:05.00 | p0m | Ahh. |
| 22:05.07 | p0m | I thought you meant you can't remove packages :) |
| 22:05.13 | gremlin[it] | graphial interface only |
| 22:05.23 | gremlin[it] | command line ipkg work fine |
| 22:05.27 | reenoo | koen|tv: I know that pb_ and me decided against separate machine types for h3600/h3800 last year and I know why. I think we should revise that decision in the sense of finding a way to produce separate images without a new machine type. I just haven't found a clean way to have OE do that yet |
| 22:06.11 | koen|tv | gremlin[it]: a lot of users don't even know what a command line is |
| 22:06.23 | gremlin[it] | koen|tv i know ;) |
| 22:06.48 | Pigi | p0m, Agreed, but in the opposite case we should supply a list of removable packages, and moreover, a way to backup ( easly ) their image. |
| 22:06.49 | gremlin[it] | reenoo something like machine/model ? |
| 22:06.53 | koen|tv | or how to read release notes |
| 22:07.17 | Pigi | Every time I need to reflash I need to cut away whatever I don't need. |
| 22:07.35 | koen|tv | the modules +bt modules should be put in a seperate task-bla that is optional |
| 22:08.15 | florian | reenoo, koen|tv: Maybe just a special image that only provides the basic stuff... maybe something like this one gremlin[it] is working on. |
| 22:08.42 | Pigi | maybe the gremlin[it] idea is a very good approach to the problem. As for many distro's , you have the choice from installall ( dumb users ) to custom/whatever |
| 22:08.57 | reenoo | gremlin[it]: no. that might result in different packages. |
| 22:08.58 | florian | yep |
| 22:09.07 | reenoo | err |
| 22:09.37 | Pigi | it's rather hard to have a choice of different packages, but at least a minimal startup-image and some good wiki pages.... |
| 22:09.44 | koen|tv | florian: that would be acceptable |
| 22:09.44 | reenoo | the idea is good and everything |
| 22:10.03 | reenoo | changing h3600.conf to implement it is the wrong way |
| 22:10.22 | florian | i think it would be basicaly moving some package collections around.. |
| 22:11.09 | Pigi | something like bootstrap-image bootstrap-opie, bootstrap-gpe, opie ( full), gpe (full) |
| 22:12.07 | p0m | I'd like to see a slimmed down version of each. |
| 22:12.20 | florian | reenoo: yes and no... maybe we would need to move some stuff to another file. |
| 22:12.30 | p0m | Is there a gpe-task-mp3 file? |
| 22:12.44 | Pigi | florian, a question, what kind of ipaq do you ave ? |
| 22:12.50 | gremlin[it] | many kernel moduels have to be moved from machien definition to task-packege definition ... |
| 22:13.22 | florian | Pigi: 3870 |
| 22:13.24 | reenoo | p0m: no |
| 22:13.37 | gremlin[it] | to have bt module only if a task-bt is selected |
| 22:13.44 | Pigi | gremlin[it], I don't think that the space is occupied from kernel modules. The most space comes from user space apps. |
| 22:13.49 | p0m | Ahh. |
| 22:13.53 | Pigi | florian, can I msg you a second ? |
| 22:14.01 | reenoo | gremlin[it]: kernel modules are MACHINE dependent |
| 22:14.03 | florian | Pigi: sure |
| 22:14.36 | koen|tv | p0m: minimix, check cvs :) |
| 22:15.25 | p0m | I don't have an OE environment, nor would I be able to compile anyway :( |
| 22:15.32 | p0m | Downside of dialup. |
| 22:16.49 | gremlin[it] | rentoo all kernl-modules-* package aren't so small ... |
| 22:17.30 | p0m | I think what you need initially is a list of what kernel modules each platform _definitely_ needs. |
| 22:17.31 | koen|tv | rentoo, the haskell hating distro |
| 22:19.05 | reenoo | heh |
| 22:19.51 | reenoo | koen|tv: if that was aimed at my direction ;) you're wrong. I like haskell |
| 22:20.12 | koen|tv | ah, I thought otherwise, my bad |
| 22:20.16 | reenoo | I just hate hugs |
| 22:20.17 | gremlin[it] | for example take tha family of wireless CF card ... which we can include ... all, none, only the 3 most common ??? ... |
| 22:21.08 | reenoo | (hugs as in haskell.org/hugs) |
| 22:21.22 | koen|tv | heh |
| 22:22.25 | gremlin[it] | well guy ... i'm honored soem of u find interesting what i did ... tomorrow i'll publish it on my site ... and let's see ;) :) :) ... |
| 22:22.29 | gremlin[it] | see u :) |
| 22:22.39 | gremlin[it] | *late for me* |
| 22:22.54 | reenoo | koen|tv: mainly because it's an interpreter. a dead slow interpreter. and produces error messages that make no sense at all. |
| 22:35.19 | koen|tv | 'ight all |
| 22:35.20 | florian | koen|tv: cu |
| 22:35.33 | reenoo | 'night koen|afk |
| 22:35.59 | p0m | Night koen. |
| 22:36.17 | p0m | Speaking of interpreters, what ever happened to the pypaq images? |
| 22:37.30 | p0m | I'm a python fiend :) |
| 22:38.13 | InHidingX | i've installed the latest gpe snapshot, i have it connected to the internet, now when i try to run the command ipkg -force-depends -force-overwrite install |
| 22:38.13 | InHidingX | http://www.handhelds.org/feeds/2.4.19/orinoco-modules_2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37_ipaqsa.ipk |
| 22:38.20 | InHidingX | it doesn't work |
| 22:38.28 | InHidingX | is there something i need to do? |
| 22:38.33 | reenoo | that's sort of expected |
| 22:39.08 | reenoo | those are old modules that are unlikely to work with kernels from current images |
| 22:39.58 | InHidingX | alright, so i have a wlan card that uses orinoco_cs, how can that work? |
| 22:44.56 | reenoo | dunno. check if the appropriate modules are installed already (I think they should be) or install those from the unstable feed |
| 22:51.31 | InHidingX | so the orinoco_cs cards should work in the latest snapshot? |
| 22:52.11 | florian | p0m: python is nice... but imho not on a pda |
| 22:52.38 | p0m | If it weren't for the space constraints, I wouldn't be agreeing with you :) |
| 22:53.06 | reenoo | python is dead slow |
| 22:53.20 | p0m | On a PDA? |
| 22:53.27 | reenoo | yes |
| 22:53.31 | p0m | Ahh. |
| 22:53.57 | reenoo | actually it's always slow but you don't recognize it on a current desktop/server system |
| 22:54.43 | p0m | I still like it. |
| 22:54.57 | p0m | It's clean, can be read x years down the line, and makes sense. |
| 22:55.06 | florian | sure |
| 22:55.19 | p0m | But the interpreter needs to be sped up. |
| 22:55.23 | p0m | I agree there. |
| 22:56.17 | reenoo | you can't speed it up beyound the language limitations |
| 22:56.19 | florian | InHidingX: yes... the cards should work... worst case you need to configure it to use this driver for your card. |
| 22:56.43 | InHidingX | florian, ok thank you |
| 22:57.03 | reenoo | p0m: type checking has to be done at runtime amoung a bunch of other expensive things |
| 22:57.39 | florian | InHidingX: use the pcmcis/cf tool from the settings desk - it should give some clue what is going on and is able to assing a driver. |
| 22:58.42 | InHidingX | florian, ok got there, now, i do the assign driver, and afterwards, it still says no driver loaded |
| 22:59.23 | florian | hrm... |
| 23:00.00 | florian | InHidingX: is the module there? try "find /lib -name orinoco_cs.o" |
| 23:01.32 | InHidingX | florian, returns "/lib/modules/2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37/net/orinoco_cs.o" |
| 23:01.51 | florian | hrm... which package fixes the sound permissions issue? |
| 23:02.34 | reenoo | gpe-session-scripts or gpe-login I think |
| 23:02.53 | florian | InHidingX: sounds good... then run "logread" (or the info applet from settings) and check what is in the logfile. |
| 23:04.10 | reenoo | "gpe-login_0.75.bb: fix sound perms & consolidate patches into pre-session.patch" |
| 23:04.11 | florian | gpe-session-scripts in unstable is the same like on my ipaq... so i think it is gpe-login :-) |
| 23:04.24 | florian | reenoo: heh ok :-) thanks! |
| 23:05.06 | InHidingX | florian, what am i looking for in there |
| 23:06.30 | florian | InHidingX: messages from hermes, orinoco, orinoco_cs modules and pcmcia subsystem. |
| 23:07.31 | InHidingX | florian, shutting down pcmcia services: rmmod: ds: device or resource busy rmmod:pcmcia_core: device or resource busy |
| 23:07.59 | florian | InHidingX: thats ok... after this the module should get loaded. |
| 23:09.24 | InHidingX | florian, and it will still tell me no driver loaded |
| 23:10.33 | florian | InHidingX: are there any messages about orinoco after these? |
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| 23:15.02 | InHidingX | florian, user.err kernel: orinoco_cs: register>netdev() failed |
| 23:15.34 | InHidingX | florian, etho0 failed to initialize firmware (err =-16) |
| 23:15.41 | florian | eks! |
| 23:15.57 | florian | InHidingX: which card do you have? |
| 23:16.29 | InHidingX | florian, get dev info on socket 0 failed: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 23:16.43 | florian | InHidingX: yeah... this sounds bad |
| 23:17.05 | InHidingX | florian, intel 2011 b |
| 23:22.29 | florian | InHidingX: This one seems to be a little bit problematic... |
| 23:22.58 | InHidingX | florian, well that's no good, hmm |
| 23:28.20 | InHidingX | florian, so i really don't have any options with that card |
| 23:28.35 | florian | InHidingX: from what i found via google it might be an intersil or an old spectrum chipset. maybe try the hostap or spectrum driver. |
| 23:38.54 | InHidingX | florian, what are the hostap and spectrum drivers? |
| 23:39.29 | Pigi | nite all |
| 23:41.21 | florian | InHidingX: other drivers which might support the card... they should be in the default images |
| 23:42.45 | InHidingX | florian, i don't see which ones they are |
| 23:44.28 | florian | InHidingX: do that find command with hostap_cs.o and spectrum_cs.o if you have them just enter the names manually in the applet. |
| 23:46.07 | florian | ibot: botmail for koen Where are the gstreamer plugins in unstable feed? |
| 23:47.03 | p0m | florian: gst-plugins |
| 23:47.51 | florian | p0m: they seem to be missing in ustable |
| 23:50.46 | InHidingX | florian, hey it seems as though the hostap_cs worked, it gives me a state of ready |
| 23:51.11 | florian | InHidingX: sounds better. |
| 23:51.56 | InHidingX | florian, what do i do to tell if that is the proper driver? |
| 23:52.24 | florian | InHidingX: nothing... the applet makes chenges permanent |
| 23:53.45 | InHidingX | florian, alright, i'll see if i can get it connected |
| 23:57.42 | InHidingX | florian, my led doesn't light up on the card |
| 23:58.48 | p0m | florian: Ahh. |
| 23:58.57 | florian | hrm... nasty, maybe the devices is in some bad state after these tests... it might be an idea to restart it |