00:06.03 | dougt | if I am appending to a toolbar with gtk_toolbar_append_item, how do I make the image i get from gtk_image_new_from_stock be smaller. |
00:06.22 | dougt | it seams like i only can fit 7 buttons on a toolbar -- i would like to fit like ten. |
00:06.51 | dougt | when I call set size request, it simply truncates the image; i would rather have it reduce the size of the iamge. |
00:06.56 | dougt | idea ideas? |
00:08.56 | dougt | i guess, what I want is GTK_ICON_SIZE_REALLY_SMALL_TOOLBAR |
00:11.26 | reenoo_ | 'night all |
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07:34.46 | koen | good morning all |
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07:48.04 | koen | hey rob_w |
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07:48.49 | rob_w | hi koen |
07:49.06 | rob_w | my build system gives me strange problems these days |
07:49.30 | koen | hwo come? |
07:49.41 | rob_w | it claims that no packages provides a certain app, but i see the package and can also compile it via -b *.bb |
07:49.41 | koen | how* |
07:50.35 | rob_w | the goal is that i get to rebuild the kstars-embedded for opie |
07:50.51 | koen | eeeel! |
07:50.54 | koen | eeeks! |
07:51.09 | rob_w | but lib-opie says there is no package that provides qte , although qte is there and i compiled it ok |
07:51.28 | koen | you'd probably want qte-for-opie |
07:51.40 | rob_w | hehe sorry to bother you with that , but as a hobby astronomer i really love to have a sky chart on my pda |
07:52.05 | koen | isn't there a gtk app for that? |
07:52.28 | rob_w | hmmm , never checked in a real gnome desktop ... |
07:53.07 | p0m | I could have sworn there was a gtkstar or something. |
07:55.52 | p0m | http://sourceforge.net/projects/gtle/ |
07:57.08 | p0m | And http://ceu.fi.udc.es/SAL/Z/4/GSTAR.html |
07:58.12 | p0m | The second one is closer to what you want I believe. |
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08:04.46 | rob_w | that looks nice |
08:08.14 | p0m | Hey koen, does gpe-nmf play mp3's and isn't broken? |
08:08.47 | koen | it works for me |
08:08.55 | rob_w | gpe-nmf had some focusing the last days |
08:24.39 | p0m | rob_w: Some focusing the last days? |
08:36.29 | rob_w | i meant that gpe-nmf was investigate alot in the chat |
08:40.17 | p0m | Ahh. |
08:40.22 | p0m | I'm installing scream at the moment. |
08:40.47 | p0m | Would be nice to see a xmms-esque program on my handheld :) |
08:40.56 | p0m | Aka with Album Image etc. |
08:51.46 | koen | that would be nice |
08:53.15 | p0m | Would be/ |
08:53.31 | p0m | Rythmbox or totem could do that. |
08:53.34 | p0m | But they're bloated. |
08:58.02 | p0m | Ugh. |
08:58.13 | p0m | All that effort, and scream can't find libXi.so.6 |
09:12.46 | p0m | I'm about to install gpe-nmf. |
09:12.51 | p0m | But madplay seems to be working fine. |
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09:37.44 | Cwiiis | has no one fixed the matchbox-desktop crashing problems? (or was it matchbox-wm?) |
09:42.07 | koen | which crashes? |
09:42.11 | koen | the ones on theme change? |
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09:46.58 | florian_kc | hi all |
09:47.10 | koen | hey florian_kc |
09:51.06 | koen | krebs? |
09:51.37 | lobster | *g* |
09:52.30 | lobster | koen: "Hummer" - we are playing with strange nicks in another channel :-) |
09:53.15 | koen | I see :) |
09:57.47 | basiliscus | did anyone build gpe-image in the last hours ? I get an error while compiling xserver-kdrive-0.0cvs20050216 |
09:58.19 | lobster | hrm... let me try |
09:59.02 | koen | use 20050207 |
10:00.19 | Cwiiis | koen: The one on startup |
10:00.46 | Cwiiis | I can't login at the moment, gonna try some earlier versions of matchbox-wm/matchbox-desktop |
10:03.23 | koen | Cwiiis: I don't see such crashes |
10:03.24 | basiliscus | koen: how can I change the version of a single package ? this is automatically downloaded ... |
10:03.45 | koen | CVSDATE_xserver-kdrive=20050207 |
10:03.51 | koen | in local.conf |
10:04.23 | koen | ok, we got sound working again |
10:04.44 | basiliscus | koen: ok |
10:07.06 | lobster | hrm... what is more important: BBFILE_PRIORITY or the version number of the package? |
10:13.17 | koen | aaargh |
10:13.31 | koen | gpe-nmf fails if libmp3lame is present in staging |
10:13.45 | florian_kc | eeks |
10:14.10 | koen | so building vlc-gpe before gpe-nmf makes the compile fail |
10:15.30 | koen | you might want to install gpe-login_0.75-r2 from the unstable feed, if you want to use sound |
10:16.31 | florian_kc | good :-) |
10:17.04 | koen | it works for me, but I want to know if it works for everybody :) |
10:17.30 | koen | jobi: you might want to install gpe-login_0.75-r2 from the unstable feed, it fixed the permissions problems |
10:23.07 | florian_kc | Do we know why the cursor is visible in latest images? |
10:23.31 | koen | no |
10:24.47 | florian_kc | hrm :-/ |
10:25.01 | koen | which is why it hasn't been fixed |
10:25.09 | florian_kc | matchbox? |
10:25.17 | koen | or x |
10:25.39 | florian_kc | this we could easily check by a diferent cvsdate... |
10:26.15 | florian_kc | koen: do you know when this started |
10:26.19 | florian_kc | ß |
10:26.20 | florian_kc | ? |
10:26.40 | koen | not really |
10:26.57 | koen | somewhere in januari I guess |
10:27.47 | florian_kc | i'll build an image with 20050101 |
10:41.42 | koen | ,only kdrive 20050101 I hope ? |
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10:45.30 | reenoo | morning |
10:46.03 | koen | hey reenoo |
10:46.14 | reenoo | hi koen |
10:46.17 | florian_kc | koen: no - one of the libraries might be involved. |
10:46.20 | florian_kc | hi reenoo |
10:46.25 | reenoo | moin florian_kc |
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11:10.51 | rob_w | damn all my problems where related to myself again ... had BBMASK in my conf :( |
11:11.06 | koen | heh |
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11:21.23 | pb_ | morning all |
11:21.59 | koen | hey pb_ |
11:24.08 | florian_kc | hi pb_ |
11:46.40 | florian_kc | hrm... this didn't work... i guess i'd need to rebuild much more. |
11:51.40 | pb_ | what were you trying to do? |
11:52.44 | florian_kc | I changed CVSDATE to 20050101 to find out if some X stuff from cvs might be responsible for the cursor issue we currently have |
11:53.41 | pb_ | ah, right |
11:53.58 | pb_ | I have a feeling that the cursor thing was already broken at that point. |
11:54.04 | pb_ | it's been that way for a while. |
11:56.16 | florian_kc | hrm... |
11:57.37 | koen | pb_: I checked in a fix for the pre-session script |
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12:07.06 | mallum | pb_, florian_kc : I looked at the cursor thing a little more last night |
12:08.00 | mallum | need to check oe is building with USE_DYNAMIC_XCURSOR set ( see xlibs/x11/src/config.h ) |
12:09.18 | koen | mallum to the rescue :) |
12:12.10 | mallum | koen: I nuked my oe tree though :( |
12:12.28 | mallum | koen: need to set it going again but need to kill win partition on laptop for it |
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12:13.46 | koen | or get one of those usb2/fw drives |
12:13.50 | mallum | basically USE_DYNAMIC_XCURSOR is set in the presence of libdl via the configure |
12:14.07 | mallum | Im not sure if that is getting built by oe before xlibs |
12:22.08 | florian_kc | mallum: ah great... |
12:22.25 | mallum | florian_kc: Im not sure that is the issue, but could be |
12:22.44 | mallum | florian_kc: as the changelogs dont indicate any changes that would obviosuly affect xcursor |
12:23.34 | florian_kc | mallum: okay... what do i search for in that header? |
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12:25.00 | florian_kc | #define USE_DYNAMIC_XCURSOR 1 |
12:27.16 | florian_kc | this looks good... |
12:30.56 | florian_kc | but this looks bad: ipkg: Cannot create directory `/usr/lib/ipkg': Permission denied |
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12:58.23 | Cwiiis[uni] | Do recent gpe-image's reach the desktop? Every time I log in, X restarts - I guess something segfaults, but I don't know what (anyone know off-hand an easy way to find out?) |
12:59.22 | florian_kc | Cwiiis[uni]: look at ~/.xsession-errors |
12:59.51 | Cwiiis[uni] | Thanks florian_kc |
13:02.23 | Cwiiis[uni] | florian_kc: ah, the window-manager exits with error 1 - permission denied... |
13:02.36 | florian_kc | eeks! |
13:02.43 | Cwiiis[uni] | will try as root |
13:03.20 | Cwiiis[uni] | nope, doesn't succeed... Will check error again |
13:03.59 | Cwiiis[uni] | Execformat error? :/ |
13:04.10 | Cwiiis[uni] | er, 'Exec format error' even |
13:05.36 | florian_kc | ah ignore this... |
13:08.40 | koen | is that the missing #!/bin/sh ? |
13:09.04 | florian_kc | yep |
13:10.12 | Cwiiis[uni] | florian_kc: So that isn't the error? |
13:10.56 | florian_kc | Cwiiis[uni]: i don't think so, i get this too... |
13:11.50 | Cwiiis[uni] | perhaps the 'root window unavailable' error..? |
13:12.15 | florian_kc | hmm yes, this sounds suspicious... |
13:12.25 | Cwiiis[uni] | florian_kc: Like a copy of the error log? |
13:13.10 | florian_kc | hmm... i wonder where this message comes from. sounds like matchbox... |
13:14.07 | Cwiiis[uni] | I've tried with matchbox-wm 0.9.3 and 0.9.2, and matchbox-desktop 0.9.1 and 0.9 - all other versions are the latest in OE |
13:15.18 | florian_kc | i rmember someone elseran into this issue some days ago... |
13:15.57 | Cwiiis[uni] | I thought so too, but I can't remember if/how they resolved it... |
13:17.32 | Cwiiis[uni] | florian_kc: If you remember, let me know! :) |
13:17.47 | florian_kc | Cwiiis[uni]: ok |
13:17.52 | reenoo | ~logs |
13:17.53 | ibot | well, logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian, or stats for some channels at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz for apt, ibot, jbot and purl. |
13:17.58 | koen | Cwiiis[uni]: does running xfbdev * mb by hand work? |
13:18.19 | koen | s/*/&/ |
13:25.52 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: There is no app 'mb'? |
13:26.05 | Cwiiis[uni] | matchbox-window-manager maybe? |
13:26.13 | koen | matchbox-session or something like that |
13:26.17 | Cwiiis[uni] | k |
13:27.10 | Cwiiis[uni] | doesn't work, can't open display - DISPLAY variable not set - I'll play with it in a bit, going to lunch - bbl |
13:27.47 | koen | export DISPLAY=:0 ; Xfbdev & matchbox-session |
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13:34.56 | mallum | Xfbdev -ac |
13:35.06 | mallum | maybe |
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14:23.37 | pb_ | mallum: ok, cool. I'll look at that dynamic xcursor thing in a minute. |
14:26.14 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: Yes, running it manually it runs fine |
14:28.40 | florian_kc | pb_: #define USE_DYNAMIC_XCURSOR 1 lookxs good imho :-) |
14:29.07 | pb_ | aha |
14:29.07 | Cwiiis[uni] | What's dynamic xcursor? |
14:29.44 | Cwiiis[uni] | florian_kc: What koen suggested worked fine, so I guess something else is going wrong... Any ideas where to look? |
14:30.36 | mallum | it could be it is looking for the cursor themes in the wrong place maybe ? |
14:30.37 | florian_kc | Cwiiis[uni]: strange... not really |
14:32.09 | Cwiiis[uni] | florian_kc: Well, now that I know it all should work I'll take a closer look later :) Just wanted to demo vlc over wifi on a linux pda to someone |
14:36.25 | basiliscus | is there a way know at which stage the creation of the gpe-image is ? (I'm compiling bluez-libs , just after xserver-kdrive) |
14:46.32 | koen | basiliscus: not really |
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15:29.00 | florian_kc | re |
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15:29.41 | koen | hey florian_kc |
15:47.15 | florian_kc | hmm... about 2 hours and 10 minutes for a complete rebuild. |
15:50.05 | florian_kc | :-) |
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16:47.08 | Cwiiis[uni] | Is there a way to find out key-codes in a stock gpe-image? Also, is it just me or does the the Look and Feel settings not work anymore? |
16:49.00 | florian_kc | Cwiiis[uni]: uh what is up with it? |
16:49.13 | Cwiiis[uni] | florian_kc: I just want to use xmodmap to assign the power button correctly on collie |
16:49.31 | florian_kc | Cwiiis[uni]: for the keys use xev... it works nice from a remote machine |
16:49.57 | Cwiiis[uni] | Seems the fonts are broken again in rxvt :/ hmm... |
16:50.33 | florian_kc | Cwiiis[uni]: what is the relation betweel look&feel and the power button? |
16:50.33 | Cwiiis[uni] | Oh, and look and feel settings complains about xst failing whenever I try to change settings, but it might be because the Xinit/Xsession scripts haven't beenrun |
16:50.42 | Cwiiis[uni] | florian_kc: oh, none whatsoever :) |
16:50.57 | florian_kc | phew ;-) |
16:51.41 | Cwiiis[uni] | I'd best concentrate on getting the oz 3.5.3 conf good for gpe for release... |
16:52.56 | florian_kc | Cwiiis[uni]: make sure to use latest libgpevtype and gpe-contacts |
16:53.14 | Cwiiis[uni] | florian_kc: Will be using the latest of everything, except where it doesn't work :) |
16:53.58 | Cwiiis[uni] | wow, wifi just works(tm), wasn't expecting that... |
16:54.05 | florian_kc | Cwiiis[uni]: great |
16:54.18 | Cwiiis[uni] | florian_kc: Any idea about look and feel though? |
16:59.34 | florian_kc | Cwiiis[uni]: what does or doesn't it do? |
16:59.44 | koen | Cwiiis[uni]: oz3.5.3 uses the latest gpe bits, because it shares the inc with familiar |
17:01.04 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: Ah ok, that's good :) |
17:01.38 | koen | (and I update that inc most of the times) |
17:01.53 | Cwiiis[uni] | florian_kc: Pressing 'ok' gives a lot of errors about xst failing (/usr/bin/xst failed with return code 256) |
17:01.53 | koen | but update it the .inc if you want, less work for me :) |
17:02.12 | Cwiiis[uni] | Probably because Xsession.d scripts didn't get run though, so ignore me :p |
17:02.19 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: May well do :) hehe |
17:03.39 | koen | Cwiiis[uni]: any luck with pcmcia yet? |
17:04.18 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: Nope.. Haven't looked into it too deeply though |
17:04.57 | koen | it would be nice to have unionroot working on my corgi |
17:05.07 | florian_kc | Cwiiis[uni]: 256?! looks like you don't have xst at all |
17:05.29 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: It does work if you don't mind manually mounting your media, and unmounting before suspend (or rather, setting up scripts to do so) |
17:05.50 | koen | sweet |
17:05.58 | Cwiiis[uni] | florian_kc: How would I connect with xev via tcp to my pda? (if you know) |
17:06.17 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: Last I tried though, X apps would just segfault on startup - no idea why, X itself was fine |
17:06.29 | koen | Cwiiis[uni]: xhost + on your pda and 'DISPLAY=ipofpda:0 xev' on the host |
17:06.30 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: If you try it, tell me if it works |
17:07.01 | florian_kc | yep |
17:08.02 | Cwiiis[uni] | thanks koen |
17:09.41 | Cwiiis[uni] | hmm, xhost just closes straight away - that expected behaviour? |
17:09.56 | Cwiiis[uni] | ah, I can't ping my pda :/ |
17:10.34 | koen | 'xhost +' tells the X server to accept incoming windows from any ip |
17:10.34 | Cwiiis[uni] | wrong ip. |
17:12.34 | Cwiiis[uni] | cool :) |
17:16.50 | Cwiiis[uni] | heh, fun.. |
17:17.04 | Cwiiis[uni] | Gotta see what's stopping X from starting now... |
17:17.44 | florian_kc | heh |
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17:18.18 | Xalior | Oh. IRC title answers my email to list. :) |
17:23.24 | florian_kc | what a short visit... |
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17:33.53 | Cwiiis[uni] | heh, was keylaunch stopping X... Must fix whatever that is |
17:34.12 | koen | ah yes |
17:34.13 | Cwiiis[uni] | Look&Feel is still acting a bit funny though... |
17:34.21 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: Know something about that? |
17:34.27 | koen | I had that problem too |
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17:35.34 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: What did you do to fix it? |
17:35.49 | koen | removing special keys from the keymap |
17:37.55 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: 'special' keys? |
17:38.04 | koen | calendar and such |
17:38.10 | Cwiiis[uni] | oh... That's no good :/ |
17:38.43 | Cwiiis[uni] | Any idea what causes it? |
17:39.07 | Cwiiis[uni] | When you say special keys, can you put the key-codes in instead? |
17:40.17 | koen | Cwiiis[uni]: florian expected mb an d keylaunch figthing over the keys |
17:40.55 | koen | I wanted to map keycode 110 to xrandr, so a clamshell would autorotate, and got the same problem as you |
17:41.53 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: ah.. you know if mb's key launcher can be disabled? |
17:42.13 | koen | I gave up after 2 days of trying |
17:42.24 | Cwiiis[uni] | oh, good news then! hehe |
17:42.29 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: Any input? |
17:44.49 | mallum | Cwiiis: maybe keylaunch and mb fighting over the same key ? |
17:50.37 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: Any way to turn off the mb keylauncher? |
17:51.43 | mallum | Cwiiis: either rm the keyboard config file, or build matchbox with keyboard shortcut support disabled |
17:51.59 | mallum | Cwiiis: the best fix is for gpe to drop keylaunch however ;) |
17:53.48 | florian_kc | mallum: is it that complicated to make matchbox check if it actually can use a key instead of failing? |
17:54.28 | mallum | florian_kc: matchbox should be checking |
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17:56.30 | pb_ | florian_kc: what's the problem you are experiencing? |
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17:57.05 | mallum | florian_kc: if matchbox cant grab a key, you'll get a ; |
17:57.10 | mallum | fprintf(stderr, "matchbox: Some other program is already us\ing the key %s with modifiers %x as a binding\n", warning |
17:57.22 | mallum | mb shouldn't exit/crash |
17:59.34 | koen | mallum: does mallum has some kind of zentity app? |
18:00.29 | koen | it would be nice to bind something like that to hotplug/pcmcia |
18:01.29 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: Is it possible to have 'held' keys in the mb keylaunch? |
18:01.35 | pb_ | I think zenity is in oe, but it's terribly slow. |
18:02.07 | koen | indeed, i tried it :) |
18:02.40 | pb_ | I don't know why that is. It doesn't seem like it should be doing anything very heavy. |
18:03.07 | koen | I noticed mb can do sprintf(tray_msg, "message"); to make a popup |
18:04.10 | koen | an app that puts in a icon and does sprintf(tray_mgs, argv[0]); would be nice to inform people of hotplug events |
18:04.41 | koen | ehm, argv[1] |
18:04.47 | pb_ | yup. or you could use infoprints, which (iirc) you can drive from the commandline. |
18:06.31 | mallum | koen: iirc it can capture output from an executed program, not tried it in a while though |
18:06.44 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: nope, not currently |
18:07.22 | koen | mallum: more like "mmc inserted", "cf removed" |
18:08.51 | mallum | koen: probably better to do something 'proper' for that kind of thing than a quick hack |
18:09.42 | florian_kc | mallum: okay... but why does it crash then? |
18:09.54 | mallum | florian_kc: mb crashed ? |
18:10.56 | florian_kc | pb_: that old problem if keylaunch tries to use the same key matchbox uses. |
18:11.22 | florian_kc | mallum: i think so, i can't imagine why the session should die if matchbox didn't crash. |
18:11.40 | florian_kc | Infoprints are a good idea for hotplug events... |
18:12.04 | mallum | florian_kc: you have a backtrace :) ? |
18:12.27 | mallum | what are infoprints ? |
18:12.33 | florian_kc | mallum: currently not but that shouldn't be that difficult... |
18:12.42 | florian_kc | eeeks! |
18:12.46 | Cwiiis[uni] | does anyone know a good date for kdrive so that the composite isn't broken? |
18:13.03 | koen | 20050207 |
18:13.19 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: I'm using that date |
18:13.34 | Cwiiis[uni] | I mean with the dialogs appearing blank until you move them |
18:14.31 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: you could try an older version on mb, o.8.3 or summin |
18:14.48 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: ( it would actually be really useful to me to know if that does not have the bug ) |
18:15.18 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: ok, will do when I get home |
18:17.06 | Cwiiis[uni] | Do the gpe-clock alarms work, out of interest? |
18:17.21 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: cool that would be really useful for me to know and will get it fixed faster :) |
18:17.29 | Cwiiis[uni] | If they don't, it'd be a lot nicer to use the mb clock rather than gpe-clock by default... |
18:17.39 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: Well, I could try now actually, will ssh home... |
18:18.03 | koen | mbclock just looks so good on my corgi :) |
18:18.10 | Cwiiis[uni] | and on my collie :) |
18:19.26 | Cwiiis[uni] | ooh, that's brilliant, the desktop shortcut in mb switches apps too :) I really missed that in opie vs. qtopia... |
18:20.11 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: How hard would it be to implement held buttons in matchbox? Would be very useful (for turning Zaurii off, for example) |
18:20.42 | Cwiiis[uni] | ah, doesn't switch apps, but brings the last app up, nice all the same |
18:20.58 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: If its stopping gpe from getting rid of stupid keylaunch then Id do it ( half heartadly ) |
18:21.20 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: I really hate the stupid CE-ism of the same button having 2 functions |
18:22.10 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: I'd get rid of keylaunch in openzaurus if you did it, seeing as the zaurii don't have record buttons |
18:23.02 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: bug btw, using !$ to launch apps doesn't raise them when they're already loaded |
18:23.39 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: hmm odd |
18:23.50 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: also gpe-login needs keylaunch I think |
18:25.05 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: GTK2 apps not being raised ? |
18:25.09 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: The Zaurii don't have any button bound to calibration at the moment though - It'd be nicer if gpe-login itself handled recalibration rather than relying on keylaunch |
18:25.30 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: Yes, got a button bound to gpe-calendar - using it, then going to the desktop, then using it again - the final press does nothing |
18:26.44 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: ok that is really odd |
18:26.58 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: I will check that now quickly |
18:27.15 | pb_ | Cwiiis[uni]: yes, there's been a bug open for a long time asking for a long press on the touchpanel to trigger recalibration. |
18:27.51 | Cwiiis[uni] | pb_: I'll see what I can do when I get home about that |
18:28.01 | pb_ | implementing that isn't entirely straightforward, and it wouldn't work with xstroke, but it could be done. |
18:28.12 | pb_ | actually, I guess it would work with xstroke |
18:28.36 | Cwiiis[uni] | pb_: It'd only need to work for gpe-login, wouldn't it? You could just have it respond to right-click? |
18:28.42 | pb_ | and, in any case, our attempts to run xstroke at the login screen resulted in failure. |
18:29.06 | pb_ | I think it would probably need a slightly longer timeout than the right click thing. You wouldn't want someone triggering it by mistake. |
18:29.49 | pb_ | also, it needs to be arranged in such a way that it will always work regardless of where the pointer is, since the cursor position is indeterminate when the screen is miscalibrated. |
18:29.49 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: Can you use any two buttons for keyboard shortcuts, or does the modifier key actually have to be a modifier key? |
18:30.16 | pb_ | for example, it'd be unsatisfactory if it didn't work when the pointer happened to be in the xkbd window or something |
18:30.41 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: has to be a modifier key |
18:30.48 | Cwiiis[uni] | pb_: Maybe it'd be better to bind recalibration to a special key that isn't record and use gpe-login to capture it rather than keylaunch? The Home key on the Zaurii, for example, would be pretty good - I guess CE machines have something equivalent? |
18:31.09 | pb_ | Cwiiis[uni]: I don't think there is any key that is universally available. |
18:31.16 | pb_ | Machines like the SIMpad hardly have any keys at all. |
18:31.21 | mallum | pb_: how about just running the calibration on every reboot |
18:31.49 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: What if you accidentally miscalibrate though? |
18:31.50 | pb_ | I think that'd be unsatisfactory too. Recalibrating is inconvenient enough that I wouldn't want to do it every time. |
18:32.49 | pb_ | if you're in a moving vehicle or something, it can be difficult to touch the screen accurately enough to calibrate. It'd be very annoying if you were forced to reboot in that kind of situation. |
18:33.00 | mallum | yeah, at least in theory you should very rarely ever need to reboot the machine but I guess were just not at that stage yet |
18:33.05 | pb_ | yeah |
18:34.09 | pb_ | I think the long-press-to-recalibrate thing is a fine idea, it just needs someone to write the code. |
18:34.16 | mallum | I think the click and really long hold is best solution. it should only be needed in absolute emergency |
18:34.23 | pb_ | agreed |
18:34.51 | mallum | pb_: does the calibrartion tool figure out if its been really crazy calibrated ? |
18:34.58 | pb_ | if your touchscreen is just slightly miscalibrated because of thermal effects, you can use gpe-conf as normal. |
18:34.58 | mallum | I think CE does |
18:35.38 | pb_ | It detects some kinds of crazy calibration (like all points in a straight line), but you can fool it into calibrating upside down, or rotated by 90 degrees, or that kind of thing. |
18:36.03 | pb_ | It's also meant to detect if you accidentally tap in the same place twice, but that doesn't seem to be working. |
18:36.11 | mallum | pb_: ok |
18:36.20 | mallum | maybe thats all ce does too |
18:36.21 | Cwiiis[uni] | maybe you could have a time-out on gpe-login, where you have to click a button or a text area or something? |
18:36.35 | pb_ | mm? |
18:37.09 | Cwiiis[uni] | you calibrate and login, and you have a certain amount of time (20 seconds or so?) to just press *anything*, or it'll go back to calibration? |
18:37.58 | pb_ | to detect the case when you screwed up the calibration, you mean? I guess that could work, but it sounds like it would be annoying. |
18:38.28 | pb_ | It doesn't happen very often, and you always have the option of pushing reset and starting over from gpe-login. |
18:39.17 | Cwiiis[uni] | Could matchbox-wm not be used with gpe-login at all? |
18:39.39 | pb_ | It could, in some kind of locked-down mode, but I'm not sure what it would buy you. |
18:39.56 | Cwiiis[uni] | the ability to throw away keylaunch :p hehe |
18:40.29 | pb_ | We could implement that code directly in gpe-login. It's only a few lines. |
18:40.32 | mallum | Cwiiis: you are right !$ is broken :( |
18:40.47 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: :( I take it not an obvious fix? |
18:40.59 | pb_ | iirc, the blocking issues for throwing away keylaunch are that matchbox-wm doesn't do long presses (power button) or multi-key presses (keylock). |
18:41.57 | mallum | Cwiiis: its fixed :) |
18:42.20 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: Ah, nice :) Now just implement long presses and multi-key presses and we can get rid of keylaunch too :) hehe |
18:42.57 | mallum | Cwiiis: you can do multi key presses ! |
18:43.07 | mallum | Cwiiis: put the crack pipe down |
18:43.21 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: How? Was just repeating what pb_ said :p hehe |
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18:43.53 | reenoo | re |
18:44.02 | Cwiiis[uni] | hey reenoo |
18:44.50 | mallum | the advantage of running gpe-login in mb would be we could use the panel and therefore the input manager |
18:44.56 | koen | hey reenoo |
18:45.03 | mallum | but it runs up all sorts of secruity issues |
18:45.17 | pb_ | Cwiiis[uni]: if you'd like to send patches for either gpe-login or matchbox, I am sure they would be welcome |
18:45.35 | pb_ | mallum: presumably we could run the panel without the wm if we really wanted to. Security does make me uncomfortable though. |
18:45.49 | Cwiiis[uni] | pb_: I'll do what I can |
18:46.04 | pb_ | It probably wouldn't be too hard to dock the input manager directly into gpe-login, the same way that we do with xkbd. I guess that would be OK. |
18:46.14 | mallum | pb_: yep |
18:46.29 | mallum | pb_: the other advantage would be be decorated dialogs |
18:46.40 | pb_ | true |
18:46.43 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: You said you can do multi key presses? |
18:46.46 | pb_ | gpe-login only has one dialog, though, so that isn't a big deal |
18:46.58 | mallum | pb_: a standalone build of matchbox is pretty tiny - I wouldn't use a fullfat mb for it |
18:48.29 | mallum | The other thing I think about is, is gpe-login in its current state actually needed |
18:48.57 | mallum | ie something that asked you for a 4 digit pin code ( and easily disabled ) maybe more suited to regular users |
18:50.09 | pb_ | yeah. on the ipaq, I usually use the "hard keys" mode, where you just have to enter a 4-character combination using the application buttons. |
18:50.41 | pb_ | setting a real password isn't too cumbersome if you have a keyboard, though. |
18:52.21 | Cwiiis[uni] | maybe you could set the default keymap for xkbd on the login screen to a number pad and have a button to switch it to keyboard |
18:53.12 | mallum | but a pin would make it more friendly and closer to other handhelds devices - it would also simplify gpe-login codebase too - it would just need ~10 buttons - no need for xkbd/xstroke etc |
18:54.00 | mallum | its not like a username/password gives you any real secruity on ipaqs at least afaik |
18:54.21 | koen | built after disabling composite |
18:54.53 | pb_ | having a real password does give you a reasonable level of security against network attacks. |
18:55.13 | pb_ | if the username was always known, and the "password" was just a PIN, it would be much easier to mount a password-guessing attack on sshd. |
18:56.32 | mallum | yeah but ultimatly users dont need sshd |
18:56.48 | mallum | we do, but users shouldn't by default anyway |
18:56.55 | pb_ | maybe some don't, but quite a lot of users want it. |
18:57.31 | Cwiiis[uni] | How would you sync without sshd? |
18:57.33 | pb_ | right now, sshd is required for syncing to work. |
18:57.52 | pb_ | it's also, often, the easiest way to get files on and off the device. |
18:58.46 | Cwiiis[uni] | Anyone know what happened to the scrollbar in rxvt-unicode btw? |
18:59.12 | pb_ | I guess it was disabled when rxvt-unicode was upgraded. Try an older version and see if it comes back. |
18:59.45 | mallum | pb_: okey laters |
18:59.46 | koen | bye pb_ |
18:59.48 | pb_ | well, going to the supermarket anyway |
18:59.48 | pb_ | later all |
19:00.09 | mallum | Cwiiis: I committed key fix btw |
19:00.44 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: Ah nice, thanks :) I'll take a look at the code and see about multi-key/holding... If it's fairly simple, I might be able to have a go :p hehe |
19:01.44 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: niether are simple |
19:01.51 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: both are crack |
19:01.58 | mallum | Cwiiis[uni]: thus my reluctance ;) |
19:02.18 | Cwiiis[uni] | ah.. :) |
19:02.38 | Cwiiis[uni] | Holding would be really nice... For us poor Zaurus users anyway :) |
19:02.55 | mallum | why ? so the power button does two things ? |
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19:03.56 | florian | re |
19:06.28 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: There is no power button on zaurus |
19:06.41 | Cwiiis[uni] | mallum: There's an ok button, that's meant to be a power button when held |
19:06.55 | Cwiiis[uni] | same with no light on/off button, but that's less important :p hehe |
19:06.57 | koen | Cwiiis[uni]: there is on clamshells |
19:08.13 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: oh, didn't know |
19:10.42 | Cwiiis[uni] | ok, for SL-series zaurii owners then :) |
19:13.48 | Cwiiis[uni] | alright for some :p |
19:15.23 | Cwiiis[uni] | Right, off home - back in a bit |
19:15.34 | koen | later Cwiiis[uni] |
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20:00.48 | scot | can someone tell me how to import my contacts into the gpe contact manager. They are currently an ldif format. |
20:01.37 | koen | ldif? |
20:02.06 | scot | netscape address format |
20:02.27 | scot | I also have it as a single vcard file (not one card per contact) |
20:03.33 | florian | this is the next thing i intend to implement in gpe-contacts ;-) |
20:03.49 | florian | it only imports single vcard files currently... |
20:04.56 | reenoo | heh |
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20:05.27 | reenoo | actually, ldif is an ldap dump format |
20:06.05 | florian | This all needs time, i'm currently fixing button setup to make it easier to support more different devices. |
20:06.15 | florian | hi pb_ |
20:08.23 | scot | well thanks. I got gpe working on my ipaq 3850 yesterday and it looks cool. It was one of those things that I did just to see if I could do it. Do you feel like it can function as an everyday pda at this point? |
20:08.47 | reenoo | hmm, I guess one could also directly import stuff from an ldap server |
20:09.18 | pb_ | florian: good evening |
20:09.38 | koen | I guess we should offload some work to opensync to reduce complexity in gpe apps |
20:09.41 | koen | hey pb_ |
20:10.55 | scot | More questions.....if all I want to do is sync up my cal and contacts with any PIM in linux, is it a difficult thing to set up?? |
20:11.26 | reenoo | koen: hmm, is opensync more than varporware nowadays? (last time I checked it wasn't more than an announcement on freedesktop.org) |
20:11.51 | scot | I have come to really hate M$ and I would love to be able to say goodbye to win XP |
20:11.52 | reenoo | koen: I mean, is there any code that works yet? |
20:12.08 | koen | reenoo: multisync 0.90 co tagged as opensync now |
20:12.19 | koen | see opensync.org |
20:12.27 | koen | s/co/is/ |
20:12.59 | florian | scot: basically yes, but latest images still seem to have some rough edges. |
20:13.45 | koen | reenoo: does that look a bit more solid? :) |
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20:14.08 | qbc | hi at all |
20:14.18 | qbc | i have some question |
20:14.51 | reenoo | koen: I guess the question is if the intended re-write has been done or if it's basically just the same code base with a new name. (can't reach opensync.org btw) |
20:14.58 | florian | scot: it is a little bit nasty to set up, but there is some basic support to sync using multisync. there is a wiki at hh.org that describes the setup. |
20:15.41 | koen | reenoo: a combination of both |
20:15.45 | florian | scot: living without xp is easy... i'm a living example for it. my only windows is a old installation of win95 on my libretto. |
20:15.48 | qbc | sound is broken in gpe for normal users and in the release notes it was write how i must solve the problem. it say also tath i can write it in a script to make it permanently, but in how script? |
20:15.59 | scot | thanks! |
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20:16.24 | koen | qbc: sue gpe-login-0.75-r2, that fixes the sound problem |
20:16.51 | pb_ | heh |
20:17.01 | reenoo | ;) |
20:17.05 | florian | ~guinness koen |
20:17.07 | ibot | ACTION pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout and hands it to koen |
20:17.14 | koen | good idea |
20:17.14 | qbc | thx koen |
20:18.23 | florian | here we go... gpe-conf reads action descriptions from file |
20:18.42 | scot | I am guessing a usb connection must be in place to sync....or can I do it via eth0? |
20:18.44 | florian | ~hail glib2.6 |
20:18.46 | ibot | ACTION bows down to glib2.6 and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
20:19.09 | florian | scot: you can use any ip connection |
20:19.24 | qbc | but i must now witch boot script she means i wont to learn.....sorry about my bad bad english |
20:20.01 | pb_ | florian: excellent |
20:20.46 | florian | now the buttons... and a nifty editor and almost every device should be happy |
20:21.08 | pb_ | sounds very cool |
20:21.37 | florian | This was quite easy using the glib keyfile parser... |
20:23.38 | pb_ | ah right. I've never used that. |
20:24.12 | florian | this is not really surprising... it was introduced with 2.6 :-) |
20:25.04 | pb_ | heh |
20:26.58 | pb_ | btw, regarding the discussion we had about the industrial engine the other day, it looks like it is included in the gtk-engines package from version 2.6.0. |
20:27.10 | pb_ | so, someone just needs to update that package to the latest version and we should be all set |
20:27.14 | koen | even nicer |
20:27.25 | pb_ | I think the latest is 2.6.1 |
20:28.38 | koen | pb_: great work! |
20:29.14 | florian | ~lart Mike |
20:31.47 | reenoo | Mike? |
20:32.50 | pb_ | koen: :-) |
20:33.00 | florian | reenoo: I'm almost convinced you don't know him :-) |
20:33.25 | koen | reenoo: pb_ just devapoured the gpe part of opensync :) |
20:34.48 | florian | yay! |
20:35.20 | reenoo | koen: yeah. I've just read that message |
20:36.14 | reenoo | pb_: good job :) fingers crossed for them to include the patch upstream |
20:37.33 | reenoo | hrm. this is kind of not my day |
20:37.54 | scot | it seems like the contents on my /etc/resolv.conf are being deleted. I vi and add my dns info, and then after a reboot, it is gone. Am I missing something? |
20:38.26 | pb_ | it's in a ramdisk |
20:39.31 | scot | is there a way to set it up so that it is not in ram?? |
20:41.01 | koen | rm it and create it again |
20:42.53 | scot | I AM SOOOOO LOST....how would rm and then create it again do anything??? Is it not still written to ram? |
20:43.13 | koen | it's a symlink to the ramdisk now |
20:43.37 | koen | rm'ing would remove the symlink |
20:43.43 | scot | so /etc is all in ram |
20:44.03 | WishX | does anyone know why my system locks up with ir discovery? |
20:44.23 | reenoo | scot: ls -l /etc/resolv.conf |
20:44.57 | scot | right...I get it. |
20:46.44 | koen | WishX: no idea, but bluelightning is looking into it |
20:47.09 | WishX | koen:ok, thanks |
20:47.47 | scot | if I am doing an ipkg upgrade and I get "ERROR: wireless-tools.postinst returned 127" what does this mean? |
20:49.12 | Cwiiis | mallum: Another bug with the shrotcut keys in mb btw, the 'next' keyword doesn't seem to work |
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20:56.38 | qbc | by at all |
21:21.17 | Cwiiis | Looking at the gpe-login code... |
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21:50.55 | rdwtu1 | wow... irc using gaim is nifty... |
21:51.10 | rdwtu1 | used gaim and irc for years but never merged em... crazyness |
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21:51.50 | Cwiiis | pb_: What do you think is a reasonable time for holding down before calibration is called? |
21:53.43 | Cwiiis | somewhere in the region of 5-10 seconds I'd have thought |
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22:11.05 | koen | Cwiiis: what would happen is I would hold the stylus while reading a webpage? |
22:11.23 | Cwiiis | koen: It wouldn't matter, I'm putting the code in gpe-login |
22:11.35 | koen | ah, cool |
22:12.41 | Tygger_Bob | hey all |
22:12.56 | Tygger_Bob | brb.. vpn |
22:13.12 | koen | hey Tygger_Bob |
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22:14.43 | zecke | florian: hey |
22:15.40 | koen | Tygger-Bob: I interested my boss at the uni in using sectest :) |
22:17.24 | Cwiiis | koen: Know off-hand if xtscal gets called with any parameters by default? |
22:17.30 | Cwiiis | hope not... |
22:17.44 | koen | really don't know |
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22:27.42 | mallum | Cwiiis: works for me (tm) |
22:28.38 | Cwiiis | gpe-login has compiled with my horrible patch, time to test... |
22:28.52 | koen | *poof* |
22:32.13 | Tygger-Bob | koen: that's cool.. |
22:32.48 | Tygger-Bob | so, I've been sitting here waiting for my unbricked iPAQ to get back from Jamey at CRL. |
22:33.02 | Tygger-Bob | I get home from the clients today and it's there. I think.. woohoo!!! |
22:33.27 | mallum | Tygger-Bob: I met jamey on monday |
22:33.43 | mallum | Tygger-Bob: he said he had some bricked ipaqs to fix |
22:34.18 | Tygger-Bob | Turns out the mouth-breather at the purolator outlet didn't put the right forms in and it got returned to me THREE DAYS LATER!! |
22:34.26 | Tygger-Bob | even though I paid to overnight it to him. |
22:34.38 | Tygger-Bob | GRRR. |
22:34.58 | mallum | Tygger-Bob: how did you brick it ? |
22:35.00 | Tygger-Bob | so, I got my money back from Purolator, and they're overnighting it again tonight. |
22:35.07 | Tygger-Bob | reinstalling the ms bootldr. |
22:35.22 | Tygger-Bob | apprently it's iffy on the 5xxx's for some reason |
22:35.34 | Tygger-Bob | anyway, I guess it's next week now :( |
22:37.11 | Tygger-Bob | anyway, I gotta go feed the kids.. |
22:37.13 | Tygger-Bob | see you later. |
22:37.15 | Tygger-Bob | take care guys |
22:37.16 | Cwiiis | Anyone know off-hand if mouse-events are reported to Gtk windows, and if so, what the name of the events for button-down and button-up are? I thought they did, and they were button_press_event and button_release_event, but I think I may be wrong |
22:39.00 | *** join/#gpe pb_ (~pb@2002:5168:d330:1:a00:1fff:fe06:93c) |
22:39.15 | Cwiiis | ah, button-press-event perhaps... |
22:46.16 | Tygger-Bob | koen: btw, don't worry.. even thought I'm going to be running ppc for the next while, I'm going to keep working on sectest to improve it and add more security testing packages. |
22:46.28 | koen | cool |
22:46.59 | koen | I'll finish the logo soon(ish) |
23:00.22 | florian | re |
23:00.44 | koen | florian: wb |
23:00.49 | koen | 'night all |
23:01.05 | florian | zecke: hi! no time to test it today :-( i spent the whole day with nasty business stuff :-/ |
23:01.11 | florian | koen|sleep: good night |
23:10.24 | Cwiiis | night koen |
23:10.55 | Cwiiis | pb_ / florian : Almost finished patching gpe-login with hold-down stylus to recalibrate :) |
23:11.02 | Cwiiis | The code's probably terrible, but nevermind... |
23:11.32 | pb_ | very good |
23:13.06 | *** part/#gpe agd5f (~agd5f@65.242.105.130) |
23:20.47 | Cwiiis | works :) Just gotta change the message displayed and send the right parameters to xtscal |
23:21.26 | Cwiiis | pb_: Shall I check the change into oe, or would you like the patch to check into gpe and update the version? (or both) |
23:21.49 | pb_ | Send the patch to gpe@handhelds.org. |
23:22.12 | Cwiiis | k |
23:23.22 | Cwiiis | is it ok to try and spawn a .sh, or would I have to spawn sh and the script as a parameter? |
23:24.36 | pb_ | You can exec the script. |
23:25.02 | Cwiiis | ok, cool... I'll take a look at the code in gpe-conf actually, make sure I'm execing it ok |
23:26.16 | Cwiiis | heh, doesn't use glib... |
23:38.39 | florian | Cwiiis: sounds good! |
23:46.15 | Cwiiis | hmm, brings it up, but being a bit funny... |