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00:06.03dougtif I am appending to a toolbar with gtk_toolbar_append_item, how do I make the image i get from gtk_image_new_from_stock be smaller.
00:06.22dougtit seams like i only can fit 7 buttons on a toolbar -- i would like to fit like ten.
00:06.51dougtwhen I call set size request, it simply truncates the image; i would rather have it reduce the size of the iamge.
00:06.56dougtidea ideas?
00:08.56dougti guess, what I want is GTK_ICON_SIZE_REALLY_SMALL_TOOLBAR
00:11.26reenoo_'night all
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07:34.46koengood morning all
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07:48.04koenhey rob_w
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07:48.49rob_whi koen
07:49.06rob_wmy build system gives me strange problems these days
07:49.30koenhwo come?
07:49.41rob_wit claims that no packages provides a certain app, but i see the package and can also compile it via -b *.bb
07:49.41koenhow*
07:50.35rob_wthe goal is that i get to rebuild the kstars-embedded for opie
07:50.51koeneeeel!
07:50.54koeneeeks!
07:51.09rob_wbut lib-opie says there is no package that provides qte , although qte is there and i compiled it ok
07:51.28koenyou'd probably want qte-for-opie
07:51.40rob_whehe sorry to bother you with that , but as a hobby astronomer i really love to have a sky chart on my pda
07:52.05koenisn't there a gtk app for that?
07:52.28rob_whmmm , never checked in a real gnome desktop ...
07:53.07p0mI could have sworn there was a gtkstar or something.
07:55.52p0mhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/gtle/
07:57.08p0mAnd http://ceu.fi.udc.es/SAL/Z/4/GSTAR.html
07:58.12p0mThe second one is closer to what you want I believe.
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08:04.46rob_wthat looks nice
08:08.14p0mHey koen, does gpe-nmf play mp3's and isn't broken?
08:08.47koenit works for me
08:08.55rob_wgpe-nmf had some focusing the last days
08:24.39p0mrob_w: Some focusing the last days?
08:36.29rob_wi meant that gpe-nmf was investigate alot in the chat
08:40.17p0mAhh.
08:40.22p0mI'm installing scream at the moment.
08:40.47p0mWould be nice to see a xmms-esque program on my handheld :)
08:40.56p0mAka with Album Image etc.
08:51.46koenthat would be nice
08:53.15p0mWould be/
08:53.31p0mRythmbox or totem could do that.
08:53.34p0mBut they're bloated.
08:58.02p0mUgh.
08:58.13p0mAll that effort, and scream can't find libXi.so.6
09:12.46p0mI'm about to install gpe-nmf.
09:12.51p0mBut madplay seems to be working fine.
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09:37.44Cwiiishas no one fixed the matchbox-desktop crashing problems? (or was it matchbox-wm?)
09:42.07koenwhich crashes?
09:42.11koenthe ones on theme change?
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09:46.58florian_kchi all
09:47.10koenhey florian_kc
09:51.06koenkrebs?
09:51.37lobster*g*
09:52.30lobsterkoen: "Hummer" - we are playing with strange nicks in another channel :-)
09:53.15koenI see :)
09:57.47basiliscusdid anyone build gpe-image in the last hours ? I get an error while compiling  xserver-kdrive-0.0cvs20050216
09:58.19lobsterhrm... let me try
09:59.02koenuse 20050207
10:00.19Cwiiiskoen: The one on startup
10:00.46CwiiisI can't login at the moment, gonna try some earlier versions of matchbox-wm/matchbox-desktop
10:03.23koenCwiiis: I don't see such crashes
10:03.24basiliscuskoen: how can I change the version of a single package ? this is automatically downloaded ...
10:03.45koenCVSDATE_xserver-kdrive=20050207
10:03.51koenin local.conf
10:04.23koenok, we got sound working again
10:04.44basiliscuskoen: ok
10:07.06lobsterhrm... what is more important: BBFILE_PRIORITY or the version number of the package?
10:13.17koenaaargh
10:13.31koengpe-nmf fails if libmp3lame is present in staging
10:13.45florian_kceeks
10:14.10koenso building vlc-gpe before gpe-nmf makes the compile fail
10:15.30koenyou might want to install gpe-login_0.75-r2 from the unstable feed, if you want to use sound
10:16.31florian_kcgood :-)
10:17.04koenit works for me, but I want to know if it works for everybody :)
10:17.30koenjobi:  you might want to install gpe-login_0.75-r2 from the unstable feed, it fixed the permissions problems
10:23.07florian_kcDo we know why the cursor is visible in latest images?
10:23.31koenno
10:24.47florian_kchrm :-/
10:25.01koenwhich is why it hasn't been fixed
10:25.09florian_kcmatchbox?
10:25.17koenor x
10:25.39florian_kcthis we could easily check by a diferent cvsdate...
10:26.15florian_kckoen: do you know when this started
10:26.19florian_kcß
10:26.20florian_kc?
10:26.40koennot really
10:26.57koensomewhere in januari I guess
10:27.47florian_kci'll build an image with 20050101
10:41.42koen,only kdrive 20050101 I hope ?
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10:45.30reenoomorning
10:46.03koenhey reenoo
10:46.14reenoohi koen
10:46.17florian_kckoen: no - one of the libraries might be involved.
10:46.20florian_kchi reenoo
10:46.25reenoomoin florian_kc
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11:10.51rob_wdamn all my problems where related to myself again ... had BBMASK in my conf :(
11:11.06koenheh
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11:21.23pb_morning all
11:21.59koenhey pb_
11:24.08florian_kchi pb_
11:46.40florian_kchrm... this didn't work... i guess i'd need to rebuild much more.
11:51.40pb_what were you trying to do?
11:52.44florian_kcI changed CVSDATE to 20050101 to find out if some X stuff from cvs might be responsible for the cursor issue we currently have
11:53.41pb_ah, right
11:53.58pb_I have a feeling that the cursor thing was already broken at that point.
11:54.04pb_it's been that way for a while.
11:56.16florian_kchrm...
11:57.37koenpb_: I checked in a fix for the pre-session script
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12:07.06mallumpb_, florian_kc : I looked at the cursor thing a little more last night
12:08.00mallumneed to check oe is building with USE_DYNAMIC_XCURSOR set ( see xlibs/x11/src/config.h )
12:09.18koenmallum to the rescue :)
12:12.10mallumkoen: I nuked my oe tree though :(
12:12.28mallumkoen: need to set it going again but need to kill win partition on laptop for it
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12:13.46koenor get one of those usb2/fw drives
12:13.50mallumbasically USE_DYNAMIC_XCURSOR is set in the presence of libdl via the configure
12:14.07mallumIm not sure if that is getting built by oe before xlibs
12:22.08florian_kcmallum: ah great...
12:22.25mallumflorian_kc: Im not sure that is the issue, but could be
12:22.44mallumflorian_kc: as the changelogs dont indicate any changes that would obviosuly affect xcursor
12:23.34florian_kcmallum: okay... what do i search for in that header?
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12:25.00florian_kc#define USE_DYNAMIC_XCURSOR 1
12:27.16florian_kcthis looks good...
12:30.56florian_kcbut this looks bad: ipkg: Cannot create directory `/usr/lib/ipkg': Permission denied
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12:58.23Cwiiis[uni]Do recent gpe-image's reach the desktop? Every time I log in, X restarts - I guess something segfaults, but I don't know what (anyone know off-hand an easy way to find out?)
12:59.22florian_kcCwiiis[uni]: look at ~/.xsession-errors
12:59.51Cwiiis[uni]Thanks florian_kc
13:02.23Cwiiis[uni]florian_kc: ah, the window-manager exits with error 1 - permission denied...
13:02.36florian_kceeks!
13:02.43Cwiiis[uni]will try as root
13:03.20Cwiiis[uni]nope, doesn't succeed... Will check error again
13:03.59Cwiiis[uni]Execformat error? :/
13:04.10Cwiiis[uni]er, 'Exec format error' even
13:05.36florian_kcah ignore this...
13:08.40koenis that the missing #!/bin/sh ?
13:09.04florian_kcyep
13:10.12Cwiiis[uni]florian_kc: So that isn't the error?
13:10.56florian_kcCwiiis[uni]: i don't think so, i get this too...
13:11.50Cwiiis[uni]perhaps the 'root window unavailable' error..?
13:12.15florian_kchmm yes, this sounds suspicious...
13:12.25Cwiiis[uni]florian_kc: Like a copy of the error log?
13:13.10florian_kchmm... i wonder where this message comes from. sounds like matchbox...
13:14.07Cwiiis[uni]I've tried with matchbox-wm 0.9.3 and 0.9.2, and matchbox-desktop 0.9.1 and 0.9 - all other versions are the latest in OE
13:15.18florian_kci rmember someone elseran into this issue some days ago...
13:15.57Cwiiis[uni]I thought so too, but I can't remember if/how they resolved it...
13:17.32Cwiiis[uni]florian_kc: If you remember, let me know! :)
13:17.47florian_kcCwiiis[uni]: ok
13:17.52reenoo~logs
13:17.53ibotwell, logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian, or stats for some channels at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz for apt, ibot, jbot and purl.
13:17.58koenCwiiis[uni]: does running xfbdev * mb by hand work?
13:18.19koens/*/&/
13:25.52Cwiiis[uni]koen: There is no app 'mb'?
13:26.05Cwiiis[uni]matchbox-window-manager maybe?
13:26.13koenmatchbox-session or something like that
13:26.17Cwiiis[uni]k
13:27.10Cwiiis[uni]doesn't work, can't open display - DISPLAY variable not set - I'll play with it in a bit, going to lunch - bbl
13:27.47koenexport DISPLAY=:0 ; Xfbdev & matchbox-session
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13:34.56mallumXfbdev -ac
13:35.06mallummaybe
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14:23.37pb_mallum: ok, cool.  I'll look at that dynamic xcursor thing in a minute.
14:26.14Cwiiis[uni]koen: Yes, running it manually it runs fine
14:28.40florian_kcpb_:  #define USE_DYNAMIC_XCURSOR 1 lookxs good imho :-)
14:29.07pb_aha
14:29.07Cwiiis[uni]What's dynamic xcursor?
14:29.44Cwiiis[uni]florian_kc: What koen suggested worked fine, so I guess something else is going wrong... Any ideas where to look?
14:30.36mallumit could be it is looking for the cursor themes in the wrong place maybe ?
14:30.37florian_kcCwiiis[uni]: strange... not really
14:32.09Cwiiis[uni]florian_kc: Well, now that I know it all should work I'll take a closer look later :) Just wanted to demo vlc over wifi on a linux pda to someone
14:36.25basiliscusis there a way know at which stage the creation of the gpe-image is ? (I'm compiling bluez-libs , just after xserver-kdrive)
14:46.32koenbasiliscus: not really
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15:29.41koenhey florian_kc
15:47.15florian_kchmm... about 2 hours and 10 minutes for a complete rebuild.
15:50.05florian_kc:-)
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16:47.08Cwiiis[uni]Is there a way to find out key-codes in a stock gpe-image? Also, is it just me or does the the Look and Feel settings not work anymore?
16:49.00florian_kcCwiiis[uni]: uh what is up with it?
16:49.13Cwiiis[uni]florian_kc: I just want to use xmodmap to assign the power button correctly on collie
16:49.31florian_kcCwiiis[uni]: for the keys use xev... it works nice from a remote machine
16:49.57Cwiiis[uni]Seems the fonts are broken again in rxvt :/ hmm...
16:50.33florian_kcCwiiis[uni]: what is the relation betweel look&feel and the power button?
16:50.33Cwiiis[uni]Oh, and look and feel settings complains about xst failing whenever I try to change settings, but it might be because the Xinit/Xsession scripts haven't beenrun
16:50.42Cwiiis[uni]florian_kc: oh, none whatsoever :)
16:50.57florian_kcphew ;-)
16:51.41Cwiiis[uni]I'd best concentrate on getting the oz 3.5.3 conf good for gpe for release...
16:52.56florian_kcCwiiis[uni]: make sure to use latest libgpevtype and gpe-contacts
16:53.14Cwiiis[uni]florian_kc: Will be using the latest of everything, except where it doesn't work :)
16:53.58Cwiiis[uni]wow, wifi just works(tm), wasn't expecting that...
16:54.05florian_kcCwiiis[uni]: great
16:54.18Cwiiis[uni]florian_kc: Any idea about look and feel though?
16:59.34florian_kcCwiiis[uni]: what does or doesn't it do?
16:59.44koenCwiiis[uni]: oz3.5.3 uses the latest gpe bits, because it shares the inc with familiar
17:01.04Cwiiis[uni]koen: Ah ok, that's good :)
17:01.38koen(and I update that inc most of the times)
17:01.53Cwiiis[uni]florian_kc: Pressing 'ok' gives a lot of errors about xst failing (/usr/bin/xst failed with return code 256)
17:01.53koenbut update it the .inc if you want, less work for me :)
17:02.12Cwiiis[uni]Probably because Xsession.d scripts didn't get run though, so ignore me :p
17:02.19Cwiiis[uni]koen: May well do :) hehe
17:03.39koenCwiiis[uni]: any luck with pcmcia yet?
17:04.18Cwiiis[uni]koen: Nope.. Haven't looked into it too deeply though
17:04.57koenit would be nice to have unionroot working on my corgi
17:05.07florian_kcCwiiis[uni]: 256?! looks like you don't have xst at all
17:05.29Cwiiis[uni]koen: It does work if you don't mind manually mounting your media, and unmounting before suspend (or rather, setting up scripts to do so)
17:05.50koensweet
17:05.58Cwiiis[uni]florian_kc: How would I connect with xev via tcp to my pda? (if you know)
17:06.17Cwiiis[uni]koen: Last I tried though, X apps would just segfault on startup - no idea why, X itself was fine
17:06.29koenCwiiis[uni]: xhost + on your pda and 'DISPLAY=ipofpda:0 xev' on the host
17:06.30Cwiiis[uni]koen: If you try it, tell me if it works
17:07.01florian_kcyep
17:08.02Cwiiis[uni]thanks koen
17:09.41Cwiiis[uni]hmm, xhost just closes straight away - that expected behaviour?
17:09.56Cwiiis[uni]ah, I can't ping my pda :/
17:10.34koen'xhost +' tells the X server to accept incoming windows from any ip  
17:10.34Cwiiis[uni]wrong ip.
17:12.34Cwiiis[uni]cool :)
17:16.50Cwiiis[uni]heh, fun..
17:17.04Cwiiis[uni]Gotta see what's stopping X from starting now...
17:17.44florian_kcheh
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17:18.18XaliorOh. IRC title answers my email to list. :)
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17:33.53Cwiiis[uni]heh, was keylaunch stopping X... Must fix whatever that is
17:34.12koenah yes
17:34.13Cwiiis[uni]Look&Feel is still acting a bit funny though...
17:34.21Cwiiis[uni]koen: Know something about that?
17:34.27koenI had that problem too
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17:35.34Cwiiis[uni]koen: What did you do to fix it?
17:35.49koenremoving special keys from the keymap
17:37.55Cwiiis[uni]koen: 'special' keys?
17:38.04koencalendar and such
17:38.10Cwiiis[uni]oh... That's no good :/
17:38.43Cwiiis[uni]Any idea what causes it?
17:39.07Cwiiis[uni]When you say special keys, can you put the key-codes in instead?
17:40.17koenCwiiis[uni]: florian expected mb an d keylaunch figthing over the keys
17:40.55koenI wanted to map keycode 110 to xrandr, so a clamshell would autorotate, and got the same problem as you
17:41.53Cwiiis[uni]koen: ah.. you know if mb's key launcher can be disabled?
17:42.13koenI gave up after 2 days of trying
17:42.24Cwiiis[uni]oh, good news then! hehe
17:42.29Cwiiis[uni]mallum: Any input?
17:44.49mallumCwiiis: maybe keylaunch and mb fighting over the same key ?
17:50.37Cwiiis[uni]mallum: Any way to turn off the mb keylauncher?
17:51.43mallumCwiiis: either rm the keyboard config file, or build matchbox with keyboard shortcut support disabled
17:51.59mallumCwiiis: the best fix is for gpe to drop keylaunch however ;)
17:53.48florian_kcmallum: is it that complicated to make matchbox check if it actually can use a key instead of failing?
17:54.28mallumflorian_kc: matchbox should be checking
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17:56.30pb_florian_kc: what's the problem you are experiencing?
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17:57.05mallumflorian_kc: if matchbox cant grab a key, you'll get a ;
17:57.10mallumfprintf(stderr, "matchbox: Some other program is already us\ing the key %s with modifiers %x as a binding\n", warning
17:57.22mallummb shouldn't exit/crash
17:59.34koenmallum: does mallum has some kind of zentity app?
18:00.29koenit would be nice to bind something like that to hotplug/pcmcia
18:01.29Cwiiis[uni]mallum: Is it possible to have 'held' keys in the mb keylaunch?
18:01.35pb_I think zenity is in oe, but it's terribly slow.
18:02.07koenindeed, i tried it :)
18:02.40pb_I don't know why that is.  It doesn't seem like it should be doing anything very heavy.
18:03.07koenI noticed mb can do sprintf(tray_msg, "message"); to make a popup
18:04.10koenan app that puts in a icon and does sprintf(tray_mgs, argv[0]); would be nice to inform people of hotplug events
18:04.41koenehm, argv[1]
18:04.47pb_yup.  or you could use infoprints, which (iirc) you can drive from the commandline.
18:06.31mallumkoen: iirc it can capture output from an executed program, not tried it in a while though
18:06.44mallumCwiiis[uni]: nope, not currently
18:07.22koenmallum: more like "mmc inserted", "cf removed"
18:08.51mallumkoen: probably better to do something 'proper' for that kind of thing than a quick hack
18:09.42florian_kcmallum: okay... but why does it crash then?
18:09.54mallumflorian_kc: mb crashed ?
18:10.56florian_kcpb_: that old problem if keylaunch tries to use the same key matchbox uses.
18:11.22florian_kcmallum: i think so, i can't imagine why the session should die if matchbox didn't crash.
18:11.40florian_kcInfoprints are a good idea for hotplug events...
18:12.04mallumflorian_kc: you have a backtrace :) ?
18:12.27mallumwhat are infoprints ?
18:12.33florian_kcmallum: currently not but that shouldn't be that difficult...
18:12.42florian_kceeeks!
18:12.46Cwiiis[uni]does anyone know a good date for kdrive so that the composite isn't broken?
18:13.03koen20050207
18:13.19Cwiiis[uni]koen: I'm using that date
18:13.34Cwiiis[uni]I mean with the dialogs appearing blank until you move them
18:14.31mallumCwiiis[uni]: you could try an older version on mb, o.8.3 or summin
18:14.48mallumCwiiis[uni]: ( it would actually be really useful to me to know if that does not have the bug )
18:15.18Cwiiis[uni]mallum: ok, will do when I get home
18:17.06Cwiiis[uni]Do the gpe-clock alarms work, out of interest?
18:17.21mallumCwiiis[uni]: cool that would be really useful for me to know and will get it fixed faster :)
18:17.29Cwiiis[uni]If they don't, it'd be a lot nicer to use the mb clock rather than gpe-clock by default...
18:17.39Cwiiis[uni]mallum: Well, I could try now actually, will ssh home...
18:18.03koenmbclock just looks so good on my corgi :)
18:18.10Cwiiis[uni]and on my collie :)
18:19.26Cwiiis[uni]ooh, that's brilliant, the desktop shortcut in mb switches apps too :) I really missed that in opie vs. qtopia...
18:20.11Cwiiis[uni]mallum: How hard would it be to implement held buttons in matchbox? Would be very useful (for turning Zaurii off, for example)
18:20.42Cwiiis[uni]ah, doesn't switch apps, but brings the last app up, nice all the same
18:20.58mallumCwiiis[uni]: If its stopping gpe from getting rid of stupid keylaunch then Id do it ( half heartadly )
18:21.20mallumCwiiis[uni]: I really hate the stupid CE-ism of the same button having 2 functions
18:22.10Cwiiis[uni]mallum: I'd get rid of keylaunch in openzaurus if you did it, seeing as the zaurii don't have record buttons
18:23.02Cwiiis[uni]mallum: bug btw, using !$ to launch apps doesn't raise them when they're already loaded
18:23.39mallumCwiiis[uni]: hmm odd
18:23.50mallumCwiiis[uni]: also gpe-login needs keylaunch I think
18:25.05mallumCwiiis[uni]: GTK2 apps not being raised ?
18:25.09Cwiiis[uni]mallum: The Zaurii don't have any button bound to calibration at the moment though - It'd be nicer if gpe-login itself handled recalibration rather than relying on keylaunch
18:25.30Cwiiis[uni]mallum: Yes, got a button bound to gpe-calendar - using it, then going to the desktop, then using it again - the final press does nothing
18:26.44mallumCwiiis[uni]: ok that is really odd
18:26.58mallumCwiiis[uni]: I will check that now quickly
18:27.15pb_Cwiiis[uni]: yes, there's been a bug open for a long time asking for a long press on the touchpanel to trigger recalibration.
18:27.51Cwiiis[uni]pb_: I'll see what I can do when I get home about that
18:28.01pb_implementing that isn't entirely straightforward, and it wouldn't work with xstroke, but it could be done.
18:28.12pb_actually, I guess it would work with xstroke
18:28.36Cwiiis[uni]pb_: It'd only need to work for gpe-login, wouldn't it? You could just have it respond to right-click?
18:28.42pb_and, in any case, our attempts to run xstroke at the login screen resulted in failure.
18:29.06pb_I think it would probably need a slightly longer timeout than the right click thing.  You wouldn't want someone triggering it by mistake.
18:29.49pb_also, it needs to be arranged in such a way that it will always work regardless of where the pointer is, since the cursor position is indeterminate when the screen is miscalibrated.
18:29.49Cwiiis[uni]mallum: Can you use any two buttons for keyboard shortcuts, or does the modifier key actually have to be a modifier key?
18:30.16pb_for example, it'd be unsatisfactory if it didn't work when the pointer happened to be in the xkbd window or something
18:30.41mallumCwiiis[uni]: has to be a modifier key
18:30.48Cwiiis[uni]pb_: Maybe it'd be better to bind recalibration to a special key that isn't record and use gpe-login to capture it rather than keylaunch? The Home key on the Zaurii, for example, would be pretty good - I guess CE machines have something equivalent?
18:31.09pb_Cwiiis[uni]: I don't think there is any key that is universally available.
18:31.16pb_Machines like the SIMpad hardly have any keys at all.
18:31.21mallumpb_: how about just running the calibration on every reboot
18:31.49Cwiiis[uni]mallum: What if you accidentally miscalibrate though?
18:31.50pb_I think that'd be unsatisfactory too.  Recalibrating is inconvenient enough that I wouldn't want to do it every time.
18:32.49pb_if you're in a moving vehicle or something, it can be difficult to touch the screen accurately enough to calibrate.  It'd be very annoying if you were forced to reboot in that kind of situation.
18:33.00mallumyeah, at least in theory you should very rarely ever need to reboot the machine but I guess were just not at that stage yet
18:33.05pb_yeah
18:34.09pb_I think the long-press-to-recalibrate thing is a fine idea, it just needs someone to write the code.
18:34.16mallumI think the click and really long hold is best solution. it should only be needed in absolute emergency
18:34.23pb_agreed
18:34.51mallumpb_: does the calibrartion tool figure out if its been really crazy calibrated ?
18:34.58pb_if your touchscreen is just slightly miscalibrated because of thermal effects, you can use gpe-conf as normal.
18:34.58mallumI think CE does
18:35.38pb_It detects some kinds of crazy calibration (like all points in a straight line), but you can fool it into calibrating upside down, or rotated by 90 degrees, or that kind of thing.
18:36.03pb_It's also meant to detect if you accidentally tap in the same place twice, but that doesn't seem to be working.
18:36.11mallumpb_: ok
18:36.20mallummaybe thats all ce does too
18:36.21Cwiiis[uni]maybe you could have a time-out on gpe-login, where you have to click a button or a text area or something?
18:36.35pb_mm?
18:37.09Cwiiis[uni]you calibrate and login, and you have a certain amount of time (20 seconds or so?) to just press *anything*, or it'll go back to calibration?
18:37.58pb_to detect the case when you screwed up the calibration, you mean?  I guess that could work, but it sounds like it would be annoying.
18:38.28pb_It doesn't happen very often, and you always have the option of pushing reset and starting over from gpe-login.
18:39.17Cwiiis[uni]Could matchbox-wm not be used with gpe-login at all?
18:39.39pb_It could, in some kind of locked-down mode, but I'm not sure what it would buy you.
18:39.56Cwiiis[uni]the ability to throw away keylaunch :p hehe
18:40.29pb_We could implement that code directly in gpe-login.  It's only a few lines.
18:40.32mallumCwiiis: you are right !$ is broken :(
18:40.47Cwiiis[uni]mallum: :( I take it not an obvious fix?
18:40.59pb_iirc, the blocking issues for throwing away keylaunch are that matchbox-wm doesn't do long presses (power button) or multi-key presses (keylock).
18:41.57mallumCwiiis: its fixed :)
18:42.20Cwiiis[uni]mallum: Ah, nice :) Now just implement long presses and multi-key presses and we can get rid of keylaunch too :) hehe
18:42.57mallumCwiiis: you can do multi key presses !
18:43.07mallumCwiiis: put the crack pipe down
18:43.21Cwiiis[uni]mallum: How? Was just repeating what pb_ said :p hehe
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18:44.02Cwiiis[uni]hey reenoo
18:44.50mallumthe advantage of running gpe-login in mb would be we could use the panel and therefore the input manager
18:44.56koenhey reenoo
18:45.03mallumbut it runs up all sorts of secruity issues
18:45.17pb_Cwiiis[uni]: if you'd like to send patches for either gpe-login or matchbox, I am sure they would be welcome
18:45.35pb_mallum: presumably we could run the panel without the wm if we really wanted to.  Security does make me uncomfortable though.
18:45.49Cwiiis[uni]pb_: I'll do what I can
18:46.04pb_It probably wouldn't be too hard to dock the input manager directly into gpe-login, the same way that we do with xkbd.  I guess that would be OK.
18:46.14mallumpb_: yep
18:46.29mallumpb_: the other advantage would be be decorated dialogs
18:46.40pb_true
18:46.43Cwiiis[uni]mallum: You said you can do multi key presses?
18:46.46pb_gpe-login only has one dialog, though, so that isn't a big deal
18:46.58mallumpb_: a standalone build of matchbox is pretty tiny - I wouldn't use a fullfat mb for it
18:48.29mallumThe other thing I think about is, is gpe-login in its current state actually needed
18:48.57mallumie something that asked you for a 4 digit pin code ( and easily disabled ) maybe more suited to regular users
18:50.09pb_yeah.  on the ipaq, I usually use the "hard keys" mode, where you just have to enter a 4-character combination using the application buttons.
18:50.41pb_setting a real password isn't too cumbersome if you have a keyboard, though.
18:52.21Cwiiis[uni]maybe you could set the default keymap for xkbd on the login screen to a number pad and have a button to switch it to keyboard
18:53.12mallumbut a pin would make it more friendly and closer to other handhelds devices - it would also simplify gpe-login codebase too - it would just need ~10 buttons - no need for xkbd/xstroke etc
18:54.00mallumits not like a username/password gives you any real secruity on ipaqs at least afaik
18:54.21koenbuilt after disabling composite
18:54.53pb_having a real password does give you a reasonable level of security against network attacks.
18:55.13pb_if the username was always known, and the "password" was just a PIN, it would be much easier to mount a password-guessing attack on sshd.
18:56.32mallumyeah but ultimatly users dont need sshd
18:56.48mallumwe do, but users shouldn't by default anyway
18:56.55pb_maybe some don't, but quite a lot of users want it.
18:57.31Cwiiis[uni]How would you sync without sshd?
18:57.33pb_right now, sshd is required for syncing to work.
18:57.52pb_it's also, often, the easiest way to get files on and off the device.
18:58.46Cwiiis[uni]Anyone know what happened to the scrollbar in rxvt-unicode btw?
18:59.12pb_I guess it was disabled when rxvt-unicode was upgraded.  Try an older version and see if it comes back.
18:59.45mallumpb_: okey laters
18:59.46koenbye pb_
18:59.48pb_well, going to the supermarket anyway
18:59.48pb_later all
19:00.09mallumCwiiis: I committed key fix btw
19:00.44Cwiiis[uni]mallum: Ah nice, thanks :) I'll take a look at the code and see about multi-key/holding... If it's fairly simple, I might be able to have a go :p hehe
19:01.44mallumCwiiis[uni]: niether are simple
19:01.51mallumCwiiis[uni]: both are crack
19:01.58mallumCwiiis[uni]: thus my reluctance ;)
19:02.18Cwiiis[uni]ah.. :)
19:02.38Cwiiis[uni]Holding would be really nice... For us poor Zaurus users anyway :)
19:02.55mallumwhy ? so the power button does two things ?
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19:06.28Cwiiis[uni]mallum: There is no power button on zaurus
19:06.41Cwiiis[uni]mallum: There's an ok button, that's meant to be a power button when held
19:06.55Cwiiis[uni]same with no light on/off button, but that's less important :p hehe
19:06.57koenCwiiis[uni]: there is on clamshells
19:08.13Cwiiis[uni]koen: oh, didn't know
19:10.42Cwiiis[uni]ok, for SL-series zaurii owners then :)
19:13.48Cwiiis[uni]alright for some :p
19:15.23Cwiiis[uni]Right, off home - back in a bit
19:15.34koenlater Cwiiis[uni]
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20:00.48scotcan someone tell me how to import my contacts into the gpe contact manager.  They are currently an ldif format.
20:01.37koenldif?
20:02.06scotnetscape address format
20:02.27scotI also have it as a single vcard file (not one card per contact)
20:03.33florianthis is the next thing i intend to implement in gpe-contacts ;-)
20:03.49florianit only imports single vcard files currently...
20:04.56reenooheh
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20:05.27reenooactually, ldif is an ldap dump format
20:06.05florianThis all needs time, i'm currently fixing button setup to make it easier to support more different devices.
20:06.15florianhi pb_
20:08.23scotwell thanks.  I got gpe working on my ipaq 3850 yesterday and it looks cool.  It was one of those things that I did just to see if I could do it.  Do you feel like it can function as an everyday pda at this point?
20:08.47reenoohmm, I guess one could also directly import stuff from an ldap server
20:09.18pb_florian: good evening
20:09.38koenI guess we should offload some work to opensync to reduce complexity in gpe apps
20:09.41koenhey pb_
20:10.55scotMore questions.....if all I want to do is sync up my cal and contacts with any PIM in linux, is it a difficult thing to set up??
20:11.26reenookoen: hmm, is opensync more than varporware nowadays? (last time I checked it wasn't more than an announcement on freedesktop.org)
20:11.51scotI have come to really hate M$ and I would love to be able to say goodbye to win XP
20:11.52reenookoen: I mean, is there any code that works yet?
20:12.08koenreenoo: multisync 0.90 co tagged as opensync now
20:12.19koensee opensync.org
20:12.27koens/co/is/
20:12.59florianscot: basically yes, but latest images still seem to have some rough edges.
20:13.45koenreenoo: does that look a bit more solid? :)
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20:14.08qbchi at all
20:14.18qbci have some question
20:14.51reenookoen: I guess the question is if the intended re-write has been done or if it's basically just the same code base with a new name. (can't reach opensync.org btw)
20:14.58florianscot: it is a little bit nasty to set up, but there is some basic support to sync using multisync. there is a wiki at hh.org that describes the setup.
20:15.41koenreenoo: a combination of both
20:15.45florianscot: living without xp is easy... i'm a living example for it. my only windows is a old installation of win95 on my libretto.
20:15.48qbcsound is broken in gpe for normal users and in the release notes it was write how i must solve the problem. it say also tath i can write it in a script to make it permanently, but in how script?
20:15.59scotthanks!
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20:16.24koenqbc: sue gpe-login-0.75-r2, that fixes the sound problem
20:16.51pb_heh
20:17.01reenoo;)
20:17.05florian~guinness koen
20:17.07ibotACTION pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout and hands it to koen
20:17.14koengood idea
20:17.14qbcthx koen
20:18.23florianhere we go... gpe-conf reads action descriptions from file
20:18.42scotI am guessing a usb connection must be in place to sync....or can I do it via eth0?
20:18.44florian~hail glib2.6
20:18.46ibotACTION bows down to glib2.6 and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
20:19.09florianscot: you can use any ip connection
20:19.24qbcbut i must now witch boot script she means i wont to learn.....sorry about my bad bad english
20:20.01pb_florian: excellent
20:20.46floriannow the buttons... and a nifty editor and almost every device should be happy
20:21.08pb_sounds very cool
20:21.37florianThis was quite easy using the glib keyfile parser...
20:23.38pb_ah right.  I've never used that.
20:24.12florianthis is not really surprising... it was introduced with 2.6 :-)
20:25.04pb_heh
20:26.58pb_btw, regarding the discussion we had about the industrial engine the other day, it looks like it is included in the gtk-engines package from version 2.6.0.
20:27.10pb_so, someone just needs to update that package to the latest version and we should be all set
20:27.14koeneven nicer
20:27.25pb_I think the latest is 2.6.1
20:28.38koenpb_: great work!
20:29.14florian~lart Mike
20:31.47reenooMike?
20:32.50pb_koen: :-)
20:33.00florianreenoo: I'm almost convinced you don't know him :-)
20:33.25koenreenoo: pb_ just devapoured the gpe part of opensync :)
20:34.48florianyay!
20:35.20reenookoen: yeah. I've just read that message
20:36.14reenoopb_: good job :) fingers crossed for them to include the patch upstream
20:37.33reenoohrm. this is kind of not my day
20:37.54scotit seems like the contents on my /etc/resolv.conf are being deleted.  I vi and add my dns info, and then after a reboot, it is gone.  Am I missing something?
20:38.26pb_it's in a ramdisk
20:39.31scotis there a way to set it up so that it is not in ram??
20:41.01koenrm it and create it again
20:42.53scotI AM SOOOOO LOST....how would rm and then create it again do anything???  Is it not still written to ram?
20:43.13koenit's a symlink to the ramdisk now
20:43.37koenrm'ing would remove the symlink
20:43.43scotso /etc is all in ram
20:44.03WishXdoes anyone know why my system locks up with ir discovery?
20:44.23reenooscot: ls -l /etc/resolv.conf
20:44.57scotright...I get it.  
20:46.44koenWishX: no idea, but bluelightning is looking into it
20:47.09WishXkoen:ok, thanks
20:47.47scotif I am doing an ipkg upgrade and I get "ERROR: wireless-tools.postinst returned 127" what does this mean?
20:49.12Cwiiismallum: Another bug with the shrotcut keys in mb btw, the 'next' keyword doesn't seem to work
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20:56.38qbcby at all
21:21.17CwiiisLooking at the gpe-login code...
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21:50.55rdwtu1wow... irc using gaim is nifty...
21:51.10rdwtu1used gaim and irc for years but never merged em... crazyness
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21:51.50Cwiiispb_: What do you think is a reasonable time for holding down before calibration is called?
21:53.43Cwiiissomewhere in the region of 5-10 seconds I'd have thought
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22:11.05koenCwiiis: what would happen is I would hold the stylus while reading a webpage?
22:11.23Cwiiiskoen: It wouldn't matter, I'm putting the code in gpe-login
22:11.35koenah, cool
22:12.41Tygger_Bobhey all
22:12.56Tygger_Bobbrb.. vpn
22:13.12koenhey Tygger_Bob
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22:14.43zeckeflorian: hey
22:15.40koenTygger-Bob: I interested my boss at the uni in using sectest :)
22:17.24Cwiiiskoen: Know off-hand if xtscal gets called with any parameters by default?
22:17.30Cwiiishope not...
22:17.44koenreally don't know
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22:27.42mallumCwiiis: works for me (tm)
22:28.38Cwiiisgpe-login has compiled with my horrible patch, time to test...
22:28.52koen*poof*
22:32.13Tygger-Bobkoen: that's cool..
22:32.48Tygger-Bobso, I've been sitting here waiting for my unbricked iPAQ to get back from Jamey at CRL.
22:33.02Tygger-BobI get home from the clients today and it's there.  I think.. woohoo!!!
22:33.27mallumTygger-Bob: I met jamey on monday
22:33.43mallumTygger-Bob: he said he had some bricked ipaqs to fix
22:34.18Tygger-BobTurns out the mouth-breather at the purolator outlet didn't put the right forms in and it got returned to me THREE DAYS LATER!!
22:34.26Tygger-Bobeven though I paid to overnight it to him.
22:34.38Tygger-BobGRRR.
22:34.58mallumTygger-Bob: how did you brick it ?
22:35.00Tygger-Bobso, I got my money back from Purolator, and they're overnighting it again tonight.
22:35.07Tygger-Bobreinstalling the ms bootldr.
22:35.22Tygger-Bobapprently it's iffy on the 5xxx's for some reason
22:35.34Tygger-Bobanyway, I guess it's next week now :(
22:37.11Tygger-Bobanyway, I gotta go feed the kids..
22:37.13Tygger-Bobsee you later.
22:37.15Tygger-Bobtake care guys
22:37.16CwiiisAnyone know off-hand if mouse-events are reported to Gtk windows, and if so, what the name of the events for button-down and button-up are? I thought they did, and they were button_press_event and button_release_event, but I think I may be wrong
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22:39.15Cwiiisah, button-press-event perhaps...
22:46.16Tygger-Bobkoen: btw, don't worry.. even thought I'm going to be running ppc for the next while, I'm going to keep working on sectest to improve it and add more security testing packages.
22:46.28koencool
22:46.59koenI'll finish the logo soon(ish)
23:00.22florianre
23:00.44koenflorian: wb
23:00.49koen'night all
23:01.05florianzecke: hi! no time to test it today :-( i spent the whole day with nasty business stuff :-/
23:01.11floriankoen|sleep: good night
23:10.24Cwiiisnight koen
23:10.55Cwiiispb_ / florian : Almost finished patching gpe-login with hold-down stylus to recalibrate :)
23:11.02CwiiisThe code's probably terrible, but nevermind...
23:11.32pb_very good
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23:20.47Cwiiisworks :) Just gotta change the message displayed and send the right parameters to xtscal
23:21.26Cwiiispb_: Shall I check the change into oe, or would you like the patch to check into gpe and update the version? (or both)
23:21.49pb_Send the patch to gpe@handhelds.org.
23:22.12Cwiiisk
23:23.22Cwiiisis it ok to try and spawn a .sh, or would I have to spawn sh and the script as a parameter?
23:24.36pb_You can exec the script.
23:25.02Cwiiisok, cool... I'll take a look at the code in gpe-conf actually, make sure I'm execing it ok
23:26.16Cwiiisheh, doesn't use glib...
23:38.39florianCwiiis: sounds good!
23:46.15Cwiiishmm, brings it up, but being a bit funny...

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