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| 00:51.03 | scot | greetings, anyone on tonight? |
| 01:14.58 | scot | yes yes yes.....I know, noob, but still, we all were once....right? so can someone tell me the command to install NMF on my ipaq running pge??? |
| 01:19.18 | TygCooking | scot: try ipkg install nmf |
| 01:19.49 | TygCooking | you may have to do an ipkg update first, though |
| 01:21.28 | scot | no good...I am guessing I may be missing a repo in my config files, can you tell me how to make sure that the unstable brance is in my config?? |
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| 08:53.12 | koen | good morning all |
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| 08:59.17 | florian_kc | hi all |
| 08:59.32 | koen | hey florian_kc |
| 09:11.20 | florian_kc | koen: I found the bug causing all sorts of vcard import to die or freeze. |
| 09:12.55 | koen | cool! |
| 10:01.56 | Guy- | koen: when I re-inserted the battery this morning, the pda wouldn't even turn on anymore - is this normal? |
| 10:02.12 | Guy- | (does it need to charge the internal battery first, or something?) |
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| 10:04.38 | koen | press reset while it's attached to the charger |
| 10:05.14 | Guy- | which button is reset? |
| 10:05.22 | Guy- | upper right corner? |
| 10:05.40 | koen | the tiny one on the bottom |
| 10:06.02 | koen | you might need a bent paperclip to push it when it's in the cradle |
| 10:07.15 | Guy- | there's no getting to that button when the device is in the cradle, but I'll just attach the charger then |
| 10:08.23 | Guy- | OK, either what I pressed isn't the reset button, or there's something else wrong |
| 10:08.44 | koen | is the battery in OK? |
| 10:08.46 | Guy- | it's a little round hole opposite what I assume to be an audio jack socket |
| 10:09.03 | Guy- | OK as in fully charged, no; OK as in operational, I think yes |
| 10:09.05 | koen | that's indeed the correct reset button |
| 10:09.17 | koen | can you push the battery a little? |
| 10:09.22 | Guy- | sure |
| 10:09.35 | koen | sometimes it doesn't connect 100% |
| 10:10.07 | Guy- | that did it |
| 10:10.35 | koen | the first time that happenned it took me a few hours to figure that out |
| 10:11.35 | Guy- | I imagine |
| 10:11.43 | Guy- | HP isn't what it once was... |
| 10:12.07 | koen | it was the first model with echangable batteries |
| 10:12.09 | Guy- | the bad news is, it still crashes after loading h5400_asic |
| 10:12.21 | koen | hmmm |
| 10:12.54 | koen | and after a reboot? |
| 10:13.15 | Guy- | reboot as in 'take battery out and put it back in'? |
| 10:13.27 | koen | just the reset button |
| 10:14.44 | koen | if that doesn't work, try flashing http://familiar.handhelds.org/snapshots/v0.8.1/20050203/gpe-image-h3900-20050202231258.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 10:15.22 | Guy- | no, it worked |
| 10:15.55 | Guy- | there seem to be some rough edges to this system that still need polishing :) |
| 10:16.04 | koen | indeed |
| 10:16.36 | koen | the h5xxx has some strange powermanagent bugs (in wince too) |
| 10:19.50 | rob_w | damn ,, opie was so close to become my more used image theses days , as there was a astronomy app even in openembedded .. but the doesnt start correctly, also there is no good gps app , poor opie , that was really close but it screwed at the last step ;-) |
| 10:22.41 | rob_w | would it be possible to port a app from qt to gtk ? |
| 10:23.17 | koen | yes |
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| 10:26.57 | koen|afk | bbl |
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| 11:09.32 | koen|lunch | hey tigrux |
| 11:11.17 | tigrux | Hola koen|lunch, florian_kc |
| 11:11.52 | koen|lunch | don't you mean 'Hula'? |
| 11:11.54 | koen|lunch | :P |
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| 11:53.08 | pb_ | hi all |
| 12:05.22 | koen | hey pb_ |
| 12:06.01 | koen | pb_: did you have a good flight? |
| 12:06.31 | pb_ | yep, pretty good |
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| 13:05.06 | florian_kc | re |
| 13:05.19 | florian_kc | hi tigrux, hi pb_ |
| 13:10.55 | pb_ | florian_kc: good afternoon! |
| 13:10.57 | pb_ | hi tigrux |
| 13:11.01 | pb_ | brb |
| 13:11.13 | tigrux | Hello master pb_, florian_kc |
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| 13:38.41 | TyggerBob | re all |
| 13:38.49 | florian_kc | TyggerBob: wb |
| 13:38.57 | koen | hey TyggerBob |
| 13:39.48 | TyggerBob | Hi florian_kc, koen |
| 13:43.30 | koen | florian_kc: can you make a new release of gpe-contacts when importing via the gui works? |
| 13:44.07 | koen | (and libgpevtype as well) |
| 13:45.28 | florian_kc | koen: yes, both... |
| 13:48.33 | florian_kc | heh right, that migth be a cool toy |
| 13:49.44 | koen | although webcals shouldn't require syncing in 90% of the cases |
| 13:50.00 | koen | (the 10% obviously being non networked clients) |
| 13:58.02 | florian_kc | koen: we have libgpevtype 0.9 now |
| 13:58.12 | koen | cool |
| 13:58.45 | koen | florian_kc: the 0.8 bb can be copied? |
| 14:01.55 | koen | it compiles! |
| 14:03.43 | koen | florian_kc: it's in OE now |
| 14:06.21 | florian_kc | cool |
| 14:06.29 | rob_w | TyggerBob: sounds nasty |
| 14:06.50 | TyggerBob | not really nasty.. just arduous |
| 14:07.18 | TyggerBob | something he's quite familiar with |
| 14:07.22 | rob_w | arduous , hmm let me check my translator |
| 14:07.37 | TyggerBob | long, tiresome |
| 14:08.12 | rob_w | but forensic still sounds ugly ... |
| 14:09.17 | TyggerBob | why's that? |
| 14:10.04 | TyggerBob | Cool.. haven't heard this song in forever... |
| 14:10.22 | TyggerBob | Gary Glitter: Rock and Roll |
| 14:10.33 | TyggerBob | makes the NSRL import a bit less arduous. |
| 14:10.40 | koen | heh |
| 14:10.41 | rob_w | isnt forensics the search for a death reason ? |
| 14:11.17 | koen | ~dict forensics |
| 14:11.28 | koen | ~dict forensic |
| 14:11.45 | koen | ~spell forensics |
| 14:11.46 | ibot | 'forensics' may be spelled correctly |
| 14:11.57 | rob_w | right as this is the search for a "non-legal" death reason |
| 14:12.01 | koen | hmmm, two seperate db's |
| 14:12.18 | TyggerBob | rob_w: forensics is just collecting evidence.. |
| 14:13.20 | TyggerBob | Forensic science is any science used for the purposes of the law, and therefore provides impartial scientific evidence for use in the courts of law, and in a criminal investigation and trial. Forensic science is a multidisciplinary subject, drawing principally from chemistry and biology, but also from physics, geology, psychology, social science, etc |
| 14:13.28 | TyggerBob | and now computers as well, which is what this is. |
| 14:15.05 | TyggerBob | I use this tool, EnCase, to collect evidence from computers |
| 14:17.50 | TyggerBob | about what? |
| 14:18.07 | koen | about gpe-contacts |
| 14:18.16 | TyggerBob | Ahhh |
| 14:21.19 | TyggerBob | rob_w: in case you're interested, the NSRL is a library of hash values associated with just about every commercial and many open source apps, maintained by NIST in the US. |
| 14:22.09 | TyggerBob | What I use it for in EnCase is to exclude known applications/files on a target system so I can focus on anomalies. |
| 14:22.45 | TyggerBob | If a file is called msword.exe and the hash matches the one for word 2003, disregard it, because it probably is word 2003 |
| 14:23.09 | TyggerBob | helps cut down the work in a forensic analysis by an order of magnitude. |
| 14:23.53 | TyggerBob | the hash tables are 4 CDs worth! |
| 14:31.00 | koen | compressed? |
| 14:34.39 | florian_kc | koen: heh, wait a minute |
| 14:34.50 | koen | florian_kc: jsut teasing :) |
| 14:35.00 | koen | just* |
| 14:36.07 | TyggerBob | koen: yeah |
| 14:36.08 | florian_kc | koen: this is what you are waiting for... |
| 14:36.13 | pb_ | heh |
| 14:36.19 | pb_ | florian_kc: very good |
| 14:36.37 | TyggerBob | koen: |
| 14:37.10 | florian_kc | source is uploaded... |
| 14:37.36 | koen | NOTE: package gpe-contacts-0.35: completed |
| 14:37.39 | koen | TyggerBob: D'oh |
| 14:37.40 | TyggerBob | but it's becaus there's drive activity :) |
| 14:37.52 | TyggerBob | it's dropping by 10 hours every 30 seconds :) |
| 14:38.16 | florian_kc | koen: cool! |
| 14:38.27 | TyggerBob | tell me about it.. |
| 14:42.41 | florian_kc | TyggerBob: Nice small and cheap IBM machines that support virtual machines like a zSeries mainfraime. |
| 14:45.48 | florian_kc | s/cheap/"cheap" |
| 14:46.38 | koen | Lpars! |
| 14:47.52 | TyggerBob | yay.. down to 1 day, 4 hour :) |
| 14:48.08 | TyggerBob | And that's just the first CD :) |
| 14:49.45 | florian_kc | koen: yep - we just had a ibm salesguy here :-) |
| 14:50.07 | florian_kc | koen: it really rocks! |
| 14:54.08 | koen | bbl |
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| 14:58.08 | TyggerBob | ok.. now we're getting somwhere: 14 hours :) |
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| 15:01.43 | pb_ | florian_kc: do you know if you'll be at CeBIT this year? |
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| 15:34.17 | florian_kc | pb_: yes sure, and we will have a gpe booth :-) |
| 15:34.48 | pb_ | florian_kc: cool. which days will you be there? |
| 15:35.09 | pb_ | it looks like I will probably be there on the 14th, 15th and 16th, or some such. |
| 15:35.29 | florian_kc | pb_: this year it will be really hard, looks like it will be almost the whole time. |
| 15:35.59 | florian_kc | pb_: and we will be there with hoeft&wessel so we will be there all the time. |
| 15:36.30 | pb_ | ah, right |
| 15:36.36 | pb_ | I will be there with Edimax, the wifi people |
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| 15:37.09 | florian_kc | pb_: ah cool |
| 15:37.17 | florian_kc | hi mallum |
| 15:38.59 | florian_kc | I uploaded a new sdk today, i didn't have time to test it but it should be better than the last one which suffered from missing libgpevtype. |
| 15:39.22 | mallum | florian_kc: hey hey |
| 15:41.32 | pb_ | just trying to figure out how to get there, now. flying directly from London to Hanover is, as ever, really expensive. |
| 15:42.31 | pb_ | well, unless you're prepared to leave Heathrow at 0700 or some such |
| 15:42.35 | florian_kc | hmm right, but imho it is quite easy to get to hannover from hamburg or berlin by train. |
| 15:42.44 | pb_ | yeah, that's what I did last year |
| 15:43.04 | pb_ | you can usually fly from London Stansted to Berlin for almost no money on Ryanair. |
| 15:43.22 | pb_ | then it's about a 90-minute ride on the ICE from Berlin to Hanover. |
| 15:43.37 | florian_kc | sounds good :-) |
| 15:44.14 | pb_ | I don't remember exactly what the ICE costs. I think it was about 60 euros each way, which is still a lot cheaper than the 450 euros that it would cost to fly with Lufthansa. |
| 15:45.20 | florian_kc | heh i just looked at flights to helsinki... a direct flight is about 900 EUR and more |
| 15:46.27 | pb_ | florian_kc: crumbs |
| 15:46.36 | pb_ | what's happening in Helsinki? |
| 15:47.48 | florian_kc | pb_: a meeting... |
| 15:47.52 | pb_ | ah, seems to be only 51 EUR each way for the train. |
| 15:48.04 | pb_ | florian_kc: heh, I hope it is an important meeting. |
| 15:48.31 | florian_kc | pb_: i hope so... i still don't really know what we will do there :-) |
| 15:48.37 | pb_ | hehe |
| 15:51.27 | florian_kc | I wonder what to tell IBM to make sure they don't want the OpenPower back... |
| 15:52.15 | Tygger_Bob | florian_kc: tell them someone at your office has the flu and they got sick on it :) |
| 15:53.15 | florian_kc | Tygger_Bob: that would bea an idea ;-) |
| 15:56.22 | Tygger_Bob | or a skunk got loose in your lab and sprayed it |
| 15:57.21 | florian_kc | that would be a problem... they won't believe - there are no skunks in germany ;) |
| 15:58.33 | Tygger_Bob | we even have them in town here, sometimes. |
| 15:58.55 | florian_kc | heh |
| 15:59.31 | Tygger_Bob | you'll be driving down the highway with the windows rolled up and you'll still know if someone ran one over |
| 15:59.40 | florian_kc | There are other reasons why germany sucks... |
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| 16:27.22 | qbc | hi at all |
| 16:27.41 | qbc | i have a question, how do i install or better how do i set a ppp connection between my linux machine and my ipaq. infos familiar 0.8.0 stable with gpe i write on my desktop pc the ppp script on familiar release notes and i get a connection but i can only ping my host engine (behine a router) but no ping on www. have enybodye a idea? |
| 16:30.30 | florian_kc | qbc: If you have a linux machine why not use IP directly? e.g. via usb. |
| 16:31.36 | qbc | i have a eth router not usb the other i dont now :-( |
| 16:33.28 | florian_kc | qbc: if you have iptables support on your linux pc it is easy to set up... i can give you a script that does the trick. |
| 16:34.25 | qbc | hm sounds good but i dont now exactly wath ip tables ar :-) sorry im a noob |
| 16:37.19 | florian_kc | qbc: handhelds.org/~florian/ipaq-usbnet |
| 16:38.18 | qbc | ...ok i will view |
| 16:38.49 | florian_kc | qbc: try to run this script after connecting your ipaq. it uses a 192.168.9.0/24 subnet, if you use this you will need to change this. |
| 16:39.34 | florian_kc | qbc: configure your iPaq to the ip 192.168.9.2 and 192.168.9.1 for gateway. |
| 16:40.07 | qbc | ..hm but i will connect via serial ... and wehn my router have the ip 192.168.1.1 and my host pc have 192.168.1.33 wath i must give the ipaq? |
| 16:41.31 | florian_kc | qbc: serial is good, this is easier to use than a terminal in the ipaq. |
| 16:43.57 | florian_kc | qbc: Your PC will have an extra interface for USB networking, usb0. this will be configured for a separate subnet with your ipaq. |
| 16:44.36 | florian_kc | qbc: this one will be masquraded using iptables... |
| 16:45.23 | florian_kc | qbc: so the 192.168.9.2 will be ok |
| 16:46.56 | qbc | ok can i edit the ip's on gpe with the network settings or must i write manual? and wath for settings must i make or wehre in the dialog...? |
| 16:49.37 | florian_kc | qbc: you can do this in the network settings dialog, its the interface usbf |
| 16:53.11 | qbc | ...and wath i must set a static b dhcp or c ppp i think static right? and address was then 192.168.9.2 and gateway 192.168.9.1 and after i connect my ipac with serial cable i must use your script,, right? |
| 16:57.45 | florian_kc | qbc: hte options will be only available in static setup. and don't forget to connect the usb cable. |
| 16:59.20 | qbc | but my usb is not working right is it the only way? ppp via serial is my prefer.. |
| 16:59.45 | pb_ | florian_kc: do you happen to know how much it costs to have an internet connection installed to a booth at cebit? |
| 17:01.41 | Tygger-Bob | pb_: take an iPAQ with kismet installed and connect off someone's wireless AP :) |
| 17:01.51 | florian_kc | qbc: is this a problem on your pc? it is possible via ppp too, but i have no idea how to set up this. i necer tried it... |
| 17:01.54 | florian_kc | eh never |
| 17:02.01 | florian_kc | pb_: nope, sorry |
| 17:02.14 | Tygger-Bob | or Prismstumbler, actually |
| 17:02.47 | pb_ | Tygger-Bob: heh |
| 17:02.47 | pb_ | florian_kc: no problem. I'll scour the cebit.de website for clues. |
| 17:02.56 | koen | re |
| 17:03.03 | Tygger-Bob | re koen |
| 17:03.07 | qbc | now i think it was a problem in familiar on my linux |
| 17:03.26 | koen | hey Tygger-Bob |
| 17:06.25 | florian_kc | qbc: if you connect usb to your (running) ipaq and "ifconfig -a" shows you a device usb0 it should work. |
| 17:09.59 | basiliscus | how long does it take to create an OE gpe-image ? (approximately I mean ...) |
| 17:10.18 | pb_ | from scratch? about four hours on an athlon xp3200+ |
| 17:10.34 | pb_ | obviously your mileage will vary if your machine is faster or slower |
| 17:10.40 | agd5f | qbc: usbnet on the ipaq side is kinda flakey with 2.4 kernels. I have to bring up the connection manually on the PC side or it hangs the ipaq |
| 17:11.36 | basiliscus | pb_ : ok tnx |
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| 17:15.09 | qbc | ...hm somethings gonna... i have connect the ipaq with usb and type ifconfig -a and it write usb0 Protokoll:Ethernet Hardware Adresse EE:E9:E2:8A:D9:AD |
| 17:15.14 | qbc | ... bla bla ... |
| 17:15.32 | qbc | and ater this i run the script from florian and it write ... |
| 17:15.45 | qbc | usb0 Protokoll:Ethernet Hardware Adresse EE:E9:E2:8A:D9:AD |
| 17:15.46 | qbc | inet Adresse:192.168.9.1 Bcast:192.168.9.255 Maske:255.255.255.0 |
| 17:15.46 | qbc | inet6 Adresse: fe80::ece9:e2ff:fe8a:d9ad/64 Gültigkeitsbereich:Verbi |
| 17:16.04 | qbc | i see a change... but i can still not ping anything? |
| 17:19.50 | florian_kc | ah okay, this looks good, now check on the ipaq - "ifconfig usbf" should show the clue |
| 17:21.57 | qbc | it write something like usbf Link encap: Ethernet HWaddr ..... (NO FLAGS) MTU:1500 ....ect must you have more information? |
| 17:23.40 | florian_kc | hmm... this needs to be configured to the ip 192.168.9.2 |
| 17:24.02 | florian_kc | ifconfig usbf 192.168.9.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 17:24.39 | florian_kc | and then add the default route: route add default gw 192.168.9.1 |
| 17:24.52 | florian_kc | or use the network applet. |
| 17:26.27 | pb_ | heh |
| 17:26.30 | pb_ | ~praise florian_kc |
| 17:26.32 | ibot | All hail florian_kc! |
| 17:26.59 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 17:27.09 | florian_kc | pb_: how many contacts do you have? |
| 17:27.31 | pb_ | florian_kc: not all that many: maybe 30, 40 or so. |
| 17:27.58 | florian_kc | hmm... |
| 17:28.33 | florian_kc | i have 60 and it starts to become slow on startup. nils has about 100 and it takes too long... |
| 17:28.43 | pb_ | right |
| 17:29.32 | pb_ | I wonder why it takes so long. |
| 17:29.54 | pb_ | It might be interesting to instrument the code to see how many SQL queries it is doing. |
| 17:30.04 | qbc | .....ok i will try... |
| 17:31.34 | koen | florian_kc: is there a way to make gpe-contacts -i non-blocking? |
| 17:32.12 | florian_kc | pb_: indeed... i reduced the number of queries to load the list, but it didn't become that much faster. looks like i need to check in detail what takes that much time. |
| 17:32.30 | florian_kc | koen: add & ;-) |
| 17:32.41 | koen | heh |
| 17:33.10 | florian_kc | koen: you can select multiple files with the import function in the gui. |
| 17:33.47 | koen | I was looking for a ssh-able way to sync a bunch of .vcfs |
| 17:33.50 | florian_kc | hmm... thus blocksize is wrong :-/ |
| 17:34.05 | florian_kc | s/thus/this |
| 17:36.25 | florian_kc | hrm... |
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| 17:37.32 | florian_kc | pb_: does mkfs.jffs2 default to the endianness of the machine it is used on? |
| 17:37.45 | pb_ | I think so. |
| 17:38.20 | florian_kc | heh, my build machine is big-endian now--- |
| 17:38.26 | pb_ | heh |
| 17:38.38 | pb_ | all the MACHINE.conf files in OE should be specifying the endianness explicitly. |
| 17:38.40 | koen | poxy openpowers |
| 17:38.45 | pb_ | if one of them isn't doing that, it's definitely a bug |
| 17:40.25 | florian_kc | looks like i forgot this :-} |
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| 18:00.01 | florian_kc | ah, this image is better :-) |
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| 18:01.24 | dougt | pb_: ping? |
| 18:01.25 | koen | hey dougt |
| 18:01.34 | dougt | hi koen. |
| 18:08.18 | mallum | hey koen, dougt |
| 18:09.27 | florian_kc | bbl |
| 18:13.53 | koen | hey mallum |
| 18:14.29 | koen | mallum: back already? |
| 18:15.48 | mallum | yep |
| 18:16.02 | mallum | koen: got back this morning |
| 18:18.48 | WishX | does the ir not work in gpe? |
| 18:21.50 | dougt | hi mallum. |
| 18:22.14 | dougt | does anyone have bk write access and can help me fix up minimo? |
| 18:22.34 | dougt | just a few changes I need made. |
| 18:22.36 | dougt | :-) |
| 18:22.46 | mallum | dougt: kergoth could probably help :) |
| 18:23.11 | mallum | dougt: or send patches to oe list |
| 18:23.17 | kergoth | have any of your patches been accepted by us already? generally you dont get bk access until you've proven yourself sane |
| 18:23.25 | kergoth | and yeah, the oe list is the best bet |
| 18:23.48 | dougt | i understand. |
| 18:23.58 | mallum | dougt: how goes minimo hacking ? |
| 18:23.59 | dougt | it is just the minimo build is broken. |
| 18:24.02 | dougt | :-) |
| 18:24.03 | dougt | exactly. |
| 18:24.16 | qbc | ... i am back... hm now i can ping my ipaq from pc with ping 192.168.9.1 but from ipaq i can not ping my pc... |
| 18:24.43 | dougt | it is going well. got some folks helping on it now. |
| 18:24.46 | dougt | adding lots of good stuff. |
| 18:25.00 | dougt | however, the way it is built in OE, these things don't get picked up. |
| 18:25.21 | kergoth | dougt: looking to be the MAINTAINER of that .bb? |
| 18:25.28 | dougt | yeah. |
| 18:25.31 | dougt | i think i should |
| 18:25.45 | kergoth | email me an ssh v1 rsa public key (ssh-keygen -t rsa1) |
| 18:25.46 | dougt | since i might be one of the only people around that works on minimo for a living. :-) |
| 18:25.53 | dougt | kergoth: kk |
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| 18:26.22 | koen | hey reenoo_ |
| 18:26.55 | reenoo_ | evening |
| 18:26.55 | mallum | dougt: more hacking on the ui ? |
| 18:26.57 | reenoo_ | hi koen |
| 18:27.03 | dougt | mallum: yeah, mostly |
| 18:27.14 | mallum | cool |
| 18:27.22 | dougt | mallum: got some stuff in the works that will land soon like spatial navigation. |
| 18:27.39 | dougt | you can navigate links via the arrow keys -- |
| 18:27.48 | koen | reenoo_: as expected getting study credits is going to be the hard part, luckily there isn't a problem with getting paid :) |
| 18:28.12 | mallum | dougt: nice |
| 18:28.15 | dougt | speaking of which... :-) I need to figure out how to get the thumb joystick events from an app. |
| 18:28.24 | mallum | dougt: you have a quick fullscreen toggle switch ? |
| 18:28.47 | mallum | dougt: there just regular direction key events |
| 18:28.52 | koen | dougt: it should act the same a a keypad, up, down, left and right |
| 18:29.03 | koen | and enter when pushed |
| 18:30.12 | dougt | good. then it should just work. |
| 18:30.29 | dougt | mallum: yeah, there should be a fullscreen toggle feature landing soon. |
| 18:30.55 | reenoo_ | koen: that's at least one pretty good thing(TM) then :) |
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| 18:31.18 | koen | and they are opensourcing the apps at the same time |
| 18:31.42 | dougt | another question that I have written down is: when I do a bitbake minimo, the resulting binary has dependencies that the version of minimo in the GPE dist didn't have. any ideas? |
| 18:31.54 | kergoth | like what? |
| 18:32.14 | koen | mallum: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.6292.png <- it looks so much better with large-icons |
| 18:32.37 | kergoth | heh, those applet icons sure are ugly |
| 18:32.38 | koen | (and AA'd fonts) |
| 18:32.55 | mallum | dougt: excellent |
| 18:33.31 | mallum | koen: yep :) |
| 18:33.50 | mallum | koen: yeah subpixel AA was turned off in fontconfig |
| 18:37.45 | koen | btw, do I need the "Enable subpixel rendering" remark in the local.conf? |
| 18:38.01 | koen | I deleted it and the fonts seem nicer |
| 18:42.26 | qbc | so i must byby at all |
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| 18:50.53 | jobi | hi all |
| 18:51.48 | jobi | koen: can you remove the dependency on libsamplerate0 for minisip-svn and minisip-video? |
| 18:52.03 | jobi | the SVN version doesn't require it anymore |
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| 19:02.27 | koen | 20:02 < CIA-8> koen * r1.3006.1.1 openembedded/packages/minisip/ (minisip_svn.bb minisip-video_svn.bb): |
| 19:02.30 | koen | 20:02 < CIA-8> minisip_svn.bb, minisip-video_svn.bb: |
| 19:02.31 | koen | jobi: done |
| 19:02.33 | koen | 20:02 < CIA-8> remove libsamplerate dep from minisip |
| 19:03.03 | jobi | koen: thanks a lot |
| 19:03.29 | jobi | libsamplerate was unusable a ipaq because all the computations are done on floats |
| 19:04.00 | koen | D'oh |
| 19:16.11 | kergoth | dougt: id_dsa? |
| 19:16.22 | kergoth | dougt: was there someting about 'rsa v1 public key' you didnt understand? |
| 19:16.30 | kergoth | dsa v2 public key != rsa v1 public key |
| 19:16.35 | kergoth | heh |
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| 19:20.12 | florian | re |
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| 19:23.25 | pb__ | hi all |
| 19:25.37 | paul | florian: ping.. |
| 19:25.39 | paul | hi pb |
| 19:26.41 | pb__ | hi paul |
| 19:26.57 | koen | hey florian |
| 19:27.20 | paul | florian: gpe-arial doesn't seem to grok ESSIDs with spaces in their name. If i 'try connect...' to an open AP with ESSID "XXXX XXXX", arial reports success, but iwconfig shows essid set to just XXXX. |
| 19:28.02 | paul | pb__: how are things? |
| 19:28.46 | paul | florian: it also seems to set the wrong channel.. not sure if that is related. |
| 19:30.18 | paul | the WLAN part of gpe-conf network settings works though. |
| 19:30.50 | pb__ | paul: not bad, not bad. just got back from the US this morning. |
| 19:31.26 | paul | over with the Cambridge DECies? |
| 19:31.52 | paul | or for a conference ofsome kind? |
| 19:32.50 | pb__ | yah, an X thing at CRL, and LinuxWorld |
| 19:33.03 | koen | nice, clearing up the pile of paper next to the subwoofer gives me <80 Hz again |
| 19:33.34 | paul | ah, X on 3D. interesting times ahead. |
| 19:34.28 | pb__ | yeah |
| 19:35.25 | paul | i finally figured out why i could never get gpe-bluetooth to do much for me - 6310i simply doesnt do much with bluetooth ;) |
| 19:35.47 | j005u | haha :p |
| 19:35.51 | pb__ | it should support DUN and object push for vcard syncing. |
| 19:35.57 | paul | and 3900 seems to have sprouted SD/MMC support. yay! |
| 19:35.59 | pb__ | other than that, yeah, nothing very much |
| 19:37.20 | paul | pb__: i figured it out when i borrowed my sisters far newer one (not a nokia, cant remember) and used it for transferring files, etc. |
| 19:37.38 | paul | pb__: the nokia doesnt seem to understand GPEs vcard format either. |
| 19:38.03 | pb__ | odd. I was fairly sure that it worked with my 6310. |
| 19:38.13 | paul | well, doesnt seem to grok it enough for it to be terrifically useful. |
| 19:38.17 | paul | other way around works. |
| 19:38.24 | pb__ | ah, maybe that's all I tested. |
| 19:38.41 | pb__ | do you get any data at all showing up when you beam a card to the phone? |
| 19:39.30 | paul | yes, but only a few fields (iirc name, email and one other). neither of which include either the work or home phone numbers, which tend to be most important fields ;) |
| 19:39.42 | pb__ | oh right, heh |
| 19:39.49 | paul | (term 'fields' used in a loose sense here) |
| 19:39.50 | pb__ | was that with a recent version of libgpevtype? |
| 19:40.15 | paul | this was with a clean image of the recent snapshot. |
| 19:40.15 | koen | paul: what happens with phone->gpe->phone? |
| 19:40.38 | paul | koen: hang on. |
| 19:41.03 | pb__ | paul: try capturing a vcard from the phone as text, and comparing it to one from gpe. |
| 19:41.18 | pb__ | see if there are any obvious differences in the way the phone numbers are presented. |
| 19:41.37 | pb__ | of course, it's possible that libgpevtype is just forgetting to put them in at all. |
| 19:46.13 | florian | re |
| 19:46.26 | paul | koen: phone->gpe->phone was fine. |
| 19:46.56 | pb__ | florian: wb |
| 19:46.57 | paul | vcard with name and home-phone. |
| 19:47.10 | koen | paul: was that using gpe-contacts? |
| 19:47.49 | paul | koen: i sent from phone, gpe-bluetooth (i guess) asked if i wanted to import, i did. opened contacts and sent the card via bluetooth back to phone. |
| 19:47.55 | florian | paul: hi! this sounds like a bug... |
| 19:47.59 | paul | florian: it does ;) |
| 19:49.06 | koen | paul: can you compare the vcard from the phone with a newly created entry in gpe-contacts, that fails? |
| 19:49.08 | paul | hmm, it couldnt be as simple as shell escape. |
| 19:49.23 | paul | koen: how would i do that? extract from sqlite? |
| 19:49.39 | paul | # iwconfig wlan0 essid 5775 1301 |
| 19:49.40 | paul | Error : unrecognised wireless request "1301" |
| 19:49.46 | paul | so not that. |
| 19:49.49 | koen | created and exported, sorry |
| 19:50.02 | florian | hah, right - this sounds like a reason |
| 19:50.22 | pb__ | paul: you need to escape the space, otherwise iwconfig will think it is an argument separator. |
| 19:50.23 | paul | koen: using 'save as...'? |
| 19:50.36 | paul | pb__: yeah, but it couldnt be that. |
| 19:50.37 | pb__ | iwconfig wlan0 essid 5775\ 1301, or use quotes |
| 19:50.52 | pb__ | paul: why not? |
| 19:51.08 | paul | pb__: cause iwconfig barfs. |
| 19:51.19 | pb__ | paul: I think it acts on the command anyway |
| 19:51.22 | paul | so it cant be that ,cause gpe-arial sets the ESSID to 5575. |
| 19:51.33 | paul | ah, yes indeed it did. |
| 19:51.37 | pb__ | i.e. it does the "essid 5775" bit, and then complains about the extra arguments that it doesn't understand |
| 19:51.54 | paul | yeah, odd. i assumed it had not done anything - but it had :) |
| 19:52.14 | pb__ | you can string any number of iwconfig commands together on one commandline: iwconfig wlan0 essid bleh key s:xyz ap auto ... |
| 19:52.22 | paul | yum. |
| 19:52.50 | TyggerBob | pb_/paul, is this within gpe-conf or at the commandline? |
| 19:52.59 | pb__ | it sounds like a bug in gpe-aerial that it isn't reporting errors from iwconfig, though. |
| 19:53.09 | pb__ | it might be better for it to call the ioctls directly, rather than using iwconfig at all |
| 19:53.31 | TyggerBob | I used <no ssid> as my essid in gpe-conf and it worked fine without quotes. |
| 19:53.50 | TyggerBob | but if I do it at the command line, I had to use quotes |
| 19:53.57 | pb__ | TyggerBob: paul is talking about gpe-aerial, not gpe-conf |
| 19:54.05 | paul | pb__: better netlink. |
| 19:54.22 | paul | hmm, the GPE file dialogue - shame you cant change directories without losing the filename. |
| 19:54.55 | joshua_ | 'any' almost always works |
| 19:55.08 | TyggerBob | ahh.. but if you're using iwconfig, it needs to be in quotes.. so maybe gpe-aerial isn't doing that |
| 19:55.22 | TyggerBob | joshua_: as long as the ssid is being broadcast |
| 19:55.23 | pb__ | right |
| 19:55.23 | florian | right |
| 19:55.28 | florian | :-) |
| 19:55.32 | pb__ | heh |
| 19:55.45 | TyggerBob | otherwise any doesn't work |
| 19:56.16 | koen | paul: yes, using save as |
| 19:56.21 | paul | 2t |
| 19:56.31 | florian | i plan to create a simple backend for gpe-aerial to use iwlib directly, but currently time is a little bit limited |
| 19:58.17 | joshua_ | ah |
| 19:58.25 | joshua_ | I thought you had to know ssid to associate, anyway? |
| 19:59.00 | TyggerBob | using any will just grab the first one with enough strength for an association that's broadcasting |
| 20:00.22 | TyggerBob | which is why half the time, my orinoco card was connecting to my neighbour's 11G AP which was stronger in my living room than my 11B in my basement. |
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| 20:01.38 | joshua_ | hah |
| 20:02.55 | florian | hehe |
| 20:03.36 | TyggerBob | cut down on my bandwidth usage, I suppose. |
| 20:03.54 | TyggerBob | He's turned on WEP, at my suggestion, so we don't have that problem any more |
| 20:04.10 | paul | koen: ok: http://hibernia.jakma.org/~paul/gpe.vcf |
| 20:04.30 | paul | a freshly created gpe-contacts entry. |
| 20:04.34 | paul | it actually works.. |
| 20:04.57 | koen | cool |
| 20:05.17 | paul | the phone sees: name and the 2 phone numbers. |
| 20:05.24 | paul | http://hibernia.jakma.org/~paul/c.vcf |
| 20:05.35 | paul | that's a phone generated vcard which i sent to gpe-contacts and saved. |
| 20:05.59 | paul | then there's: http://hibernia.jakma.org/~paul/p.vcf |
| 20:07.01 | paul | phone sees both email fields, the address and the name. |
| 20:07.03 | paul | but not the numbers. |
| 20:07.14 | paul | cause the numbers arent in it. aha. |
| 20:08.37 | paul | the saved as vcard is missing: work(mobile) and home(mobile,web) |
| 20:08.55 | paul | so a gpe-contacts bug? :) |
| 20:09.50 | paul | c.vcf btw is Clandillon motors, if ever you're near Celbridge and you need a good mechanic. he's your man ;) |
| 20:10.57 | koen | heh |
| 20:13.23 | pb__ | paul: do you know what's different about the provenance of gpe.vcf and p.vcf? |
| 20:13.44 | pb__ | if gpe-contacts can see the phone numbers, libgpevtype should be able to as well, really. |
| 20:13.57 | pb__ | unless there's some case sensitivity drama or something of that sort going on |
| 20:14.08 | paul | well, gpe.vcf only had the phone numbers. |
| 20:14.38 | paul | i'll have to go through and add new field, save, add one by one till it breaks i think. |
| 20:15.11 | paul | p.vcf has email fields, i filled in address info. |
| 20:15.37 | pb__ | okay |
| 20:22.27 | paul | annoyingly, i cant replicate it. |
| 20:25.59 | paul | aha. |
| 20:26.02 | paul | it's the mobile field. |
| 20:26.17 | paul | it doesnt write out either work-mobile or home-mobile |
| 20:26.24 | paul | it does write out the phone fields. |
| 20:27.19 | florian | hah |
| 20:39.22 | pb__ | ah. that would be a problem. |
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| 20:48.36 | koen|tv | any ideas on how to fix the sound permissions thing? |
| 20:50.53 | pb__ | I think it is a busybox bug. |
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| 20:52.42 | pb__ | You can probably work around it by adding a suitable chmod command to the pre-session script. |
| 20:52.59 | koen|tv | that runs as root? |
| 20:53.02 | pb__ | yes |
| 20:55.26 | florian | hm... i wonder what to set in that vcard object for a mobile number... |
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| 21:04.19 | florian | fax number seem to be missing too |
| 21:08.48 | koen|tv | it seems I can get digital cable tv for free, but I can't seem to find what format they use so I can buy a DVB card for it |
| 21:22.09 | pb__ | that is unfortunate |
| 21:22.37 | florian | The vcard from the 9210 lacks some information :-/ |
| 21:23.54 | pb__ | that is also unfortunate |
| 21:25.37 | florian | i'm trying to find out why the mobile and fax numbers are lost |
| 21:30.31 | florian | pb__: do you know which property of that vcard object i need to set to make a phone entry fax or mobile number? |
| 21:33.39 | pb__ | florian: no, but I can look it up if you like |
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| 21:38.02 | *** topic/#gpe is The GPE Palmtop Environment - http://gpe.handhelds.org/ | GPE Wiki: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPEProject | unstable images updated: http://handhelds.org/~pb/unstable/ | unstable feed now (sort of) working again | familiar snapshots: http://familiar.handhelds.org/snapshots/ |
| 21:40.14 | reenoo_ | ~lart dia |
| 21:55.28 | florian | hrm... why isn't there a home/work setting for email :-/ |
| 22:15.03 | WishX | why does my ipaq lock up whenever i turn on the ir and find a device? |
| 22:16.00 | florian | WishX: sounds like a bug, which model do you have and which image do you have installed? |
| 22:17.05 | WishX | florian, ipaq 3650/gpe-image-h3600-20041223123609.rootfs.jffs2 |
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| 22:19.16 | florian | WishX: hmm... from where is this image? |
| 22:19.32 | koen|tv | florian: that's fam 0.8 |
| 22:21.11 | florian | ah |
| 22:21.19 | WishX | is there a different image I can use that it will work with? |
| 22:21.37 | Cwiiis | does CVSDATE_cairo still need to be set does anyone know? |
| 22:24.36 | florian | WishX: can you se when exactly the ipaq dies? as soon as you turn on ir? |
| 22:26.49 | WishX | florian, it is fine up until it sees that there is another device, i.e. my laptop sees the ipaq for just a second, and then the ipaq locks up and my laptop loses it |
| 22:29.38 | florian | WishX: need to try this tomorrow... i don't have a configured ir device here. |
| 22:30.31 | WishX | florian, ok |
| 22:36.10 | florian | aha... "cell" != "voice" |
| 22:38.31 | paul | is /wg 3 |
| 22:38.34 | paul | oops. |
| 22:48.19 | paul | "uda1380: write failed, status -121" - ?? |
| 22:52.26 | pb__ | florian: very good |
| 22:53.56 | florian | at least my vcard looks better now ;-) |
| 22:54.17 | pb__ | :-) |
| 22:54.32 | koen | image import support now? |
| 22:55.49 | florian | not so far... |
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| 22:56.10 | koen | ah well |
| 22:56.32 | koen | having an import button made my week :) |
| 22:56.53 | WishX | florian, is there a newer image than the one i'm using that it may work on |
| 22:57.09 | florian | hmm ths 9210 combines "voice" and "cell". but i can't find a hint in the rfc that this is allowed |
| 22:57.26 | florian | WishX: yes, you could try one of the 0.8.1-pre images |
| 22:57.45 | pb__ | crazy nokia |
| 22:57.53 | WishX | florian, i'm sorry, where do you get those? i can't find anything like that |
| 22:57.56 | pb__ | does evolution cope with that? |
| 22:58.28 | florian | WishX: see topic :-) |
| 22:58.29 | WishX | actually nevermind i do know |
| 22:58.35 | WishX | sorry :) |
| 22:59.18 | florian | pb__: no idea... but libmimedir seems to like them. in contrast to siemens and psion vcards |
| 23:00.13 | pb__ | odd |
| 23:01.24 | florian | The profile contains the unsupported custom attribute X-PALM-CUSTOM. |
| 23:02.19 | florian | "The phone field is of unknown type MESG." |
| 23:02.51 | florian | (rfc2426 doesn't know anything about this type too) |
| 23:05.07 | koen | florian: how much work would it be to add .ics import support? The formaat should be vcal(ish) |
| 23:06.28 | florian | koen: imho it would be a matter of spliting up the ics files |
| 23:06.51 | pb__ | yeah, or teaching vcal-import to read multiple records from a file |
| 23:06.58 | pb__ | people keep requesting that for vCard as well |
| 23:07.57 | koen | ah, apple opens up the isync sdk with the release of 10.4 |
| 23:10.26 | florian | nice |
| 23:13.37 | koen | 'night all |
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| 23:44.00 | florian | good night |
