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| 05:33.12 | dc__ | hey :-\ |
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| 05:34.37 | dc_ | hey pigeon |
| 05:34.48 | dc_ | pigeon: the adsl went out yesterday :-/ |
| 05:35.00 | pigeon | Hehehe ;) |
| 05:35.18 | pigeon | Got the botmail? |
| 05:36.11 | dc_ | indeed. |
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| 05:58.09 | dc___ | heh |
| 05:58.55 | dc___ | pigeon: I think your xrender dev package needs upgrading if that's possible ;-] |
| 05:59.05 | pigeon | gee... that. |
| 05:59.14 | dc___ | pigeon: if it's too much work it's okay... |
| 05:59.55 | pigeon | Hmm... cos I haven't even bother to upgrade any of my desktop boxes for that to compile gpe stuff :\ |
| 06:00.11 | dc___ | doh, hehe. |
| 06:00.23 | pigeon | That will probably involve compiling X... |
| 06:00.27 | dc___ | leave it for another time then ;-/ |
| 06:00.35 | pigeon | Which I haven't done yet :( |
| 06:01.08 | dc___ | doh. |
| 06:01.22 | dc___ | animax will keep me entertained for now. |
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| 08:24.36 | mallum | morning |
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| 08:32.11 | florian | hi all |
| 08:34.35 | mallum | hey florian |
| 08:34.44 | mallum | florian: a que for you |
| 08:35.24 | mallum | florian: Im try to get locales working on my laptop |
| 08:35.41 | mallum | florian: do you know much about that kind of thing ? |
| 08:36.02 | florian | hi mallum |
| 08:36.28 | florian | mallum: not really much... what's the problem? |
| 08:40.53 | mallum | Im trying to get jsmaniques es_ES translation to display |
| 08:41.23 | mallum | Im pretty sure MB codde is ok, its just my laptop only wants to display en_GB and en_US locales |
| 08:41.41 | mallum | this is all I have in /usr/lib/locales/ |
| 08:41.57 | mallum | I've run locale-gen to generate an es_ES one but it hasn't apperaed :/ |
| 08:43.52 | florian | I remember that was not that easy some time ago... |
| 08:45.01 | florian | mallum: I think you run debian on your laptop, correct? |
| 08:45.53 | mallum | yeah |
| 08:46.56 | florian | did you run locale-gen by hand or with "dpkg-reconfigure locales"? |
| 08:47.34 | mallum | both :/ |
| 08:50.20 | mallum | I regenrating again |
| 08:51.38 | florian | huh... the two debian boxes don't have anything in /usr/lib/locale |
| 08:52.20 | florian | /usr/share/i18n/locales |
| 08:54.26 | mallum | florian: aha, regenerating again seems to have fixed it :-) |
| 08:55.46 | mallum | I have a spanish miniapm |
| 09:06.37 | florian | strange... |
| 09:06.48 | florian | brb |
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| 09:32.41 | florian | re |
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| 09:57.14 | mallum | nilsf: hey |
| 09:57.24 | mallum | nilsf: nice mail on xfree, I backed you up :-) |
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| 10:16.16 | florian | hello PaxAnima |
| 10:17.21 | PaxAnima | hi, florian |
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| 10:28.15 | florian | hi spung |
| 10:28.21 | florian | hi herzi |
| 10:30.23 | herzi | tach florian |
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| 12:30.05 | dc_ | evening |
| 12:30.33 | PaxAnima | evening, dc_ |
| 12:30.40 | dc_ | hey |
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| 12:32.41 | dc_ | pb_! |
| 12:32.50 | dc_ | pb_: what time is it there? |
| 12:33.10 | pb_ | dc_! |
| 12:33.12 | pb_ | dc_: I'm back in England now, so it's 13:30. |
| 12:33.28 | florian | hi pb_ |
| 12:33.33 | florian | hi dc_ |
| 12:33.37 | florian | oops... |
| 12:33.39 | florian | brb |
| 12:33.43 | dc_ | hehe |
| 12:33.44 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 12:33.48 | dc_ | pb_: cool. |
| 12:34.01 | dc_ | pb_: I'm enjoying the high life on japan! |
| 12:34.11 | pb_ | dc_: cool. earthquakes not bothering you too much? |
| 12:34.15 | dc_ | and getting my new powerbook on saturday :-D |
| 12:34.23 | pb_ | yay |
| 12:35.03 | dc_ | indeed! |
| 12:35.42 | dc_ | pb_: but in the meantime... |
| 12:37.02 | dc_ | heh...pigeon gave me a vnc account to one of his boxes. |
| 12:37.22 | pb_ | aha. heh. |
| 12:37.31 | dc_ | but it seems to be quite old and lacks most of the stuff gpe needs to compile. |
| 12:37.48 | dc_ | so I'll have to survive :-/ |
| 12:37.55 | dc_ | untill saturday. heh. |
| 12:38.11 | pb_ | right. well, hang in there. |
| 12:38.25 | pb_ | could always use handhelds.org, but I suspect that probably lacks some of the dependencies too. |
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| 12:40.31 | dc_ | pb_: indeed. havn't been able to catch jamey or any of the dudes at all |
| 12:40.50 | pb_ | jamey should be logging on any time now. |
| 12:40.56 | dc_ | ah.. |
| 12:41.00 | pb_ | you can send mail to admin@handhelds.org if you need things installed or upgraded. |
| 12:41.21 | dc_ | ah right. |
| 12:41.33 | dc_ | he should be able to give me vnc to an iPAQ right? |
| 12:41.48 | pb_ | probably. not sure about vnc, but certainly ssh. |
| 12:41.58 | pb_ | in the worst case you could vnc to pigeon's machine and then ssh from there. |
| 12:42.12 | dc_ | doh. |
| 12:42.22 | pb_ | ibot, seen jamey? |
| 12:42.26 | | jamey is currently on #handhelds.org (44m 59s) |
| 12:42.26 | dc_ | don't think it's really worth the troule. |
| 12:42.32 | pb_ | oh, heh, there he is. |
| 12:43.01 | pb_ | right. if you're getting a new machine on Saturday anyway, probably not worth making heroic efforts. |
| 12:43.11 | dc_ | :] |
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| 13:09.42 | jsmanrique | hi! |
| 13:09.47 | dc_ | hey! |
| 13:23.50 | jsmanrique | anyone will come to Spain in September? |
| 13:24.16 | dc_ | what's for..? |
| 13:24.24 | dc_ | s/'s// |
| 13:24.24 | jsmanrique | national linux congress |
| 13:24.31 | dc_ | ah |
| 13:24.33 | dc_ | hrm. |
| 13:24.37 | jsmanrique | HispaLiNUX Congress |
| 13:25.08 | jsmanrique | maybe we (maybe I will not be alone) will do a presentation about GPE |
| 13:25.15 | dc_ | I guess I'm in schoo then. |
| 13:25.23 | dc_ | jsmanrique: cool :-] |
| 13:25.38 | jsmanrique | I am not a pro, but I will try to my best |
| 13:25.58 | jsmanrique | just showing some apps running, a bit about wireless, .. those kind of things |
| 13:26.04 | dc_ | nice.. |
| 13:26.18 | jsmanrique | and Icaza will be again |
| 13:26.34 | dc_ | jsmanrique: make sure you bugg me lots to fix up gpe-gallery and gpe-filemanager so you can show the hell of themn ;-p |
| 13:26.35 | dc_ | hehe. |
| 13:26.48 | jsmanrique | last year he was atonished about my ipaq3100 with gtk2 inside |
| 13:27.01 | jsmanrique | dc_: are filemanager and gallery yours? |
| 13:27.08 | dc_ | of course. |
| 13:27.43 | ade|home | who else would want a porn viewer other tahn dc :p |
| 13:27.52 | jsmanrique | dc_: ok, what can filemanager do? because on mine, it just shows the files, nothing else :-) |
| 13:28.17 | dc_ | ade|home: hehe...I've been waiting a while for someone to say that ;-p |
| 13:28.42 | ade|home | its that what you did gallary for ? |
| 13:28.49 | jsmanrique | dc_: and gpe-gallery is fine, but when I use on my MMC card from my camera.. it hangs.. maybe it is a MMC problem |
| 13:28.57 | dc_ | jsmanrique: that's why you need to bugg me....it currently only passes as a viewer. |
| 13:29.05 | ade|home | s/its/isn't |
| 13:29.30 | dc_ | ade|home: no. I do have a digital camera I and my father use quite a bit ;-p |
| 13:29.53 | dc_ | jsmanrique: how man images..and what are their filesized. |
| 13:30.40 | dc_ | ade|home: it's very cool having it on my c700 and being able to transfer images via ir from my T68i aswell. |
| 13:31.03 | dc_ | impresses people allot ;-] |
| 13:31.18 | dc_ | jsmanrique: there are some majoir problems with the list view. |
| 13:31.36 | dc_ | jsmanrique: and it just generally leaks memory alot. |
| 13:33.02 | dc_ | and fullscreen is broken... |
| 13:33.07 | jsmanrique | dc_: I think it is vfat, and 30 images or more (400Kb each) |
| 13:33.10 | dc_ | and scrolling is painfully slow. |
| 13:33.21 | dc_ | jsmanrique: and when does it hang? |
| 13:33.23 | ade|home | dc_: sad monkey, via ir must take ages |
| 13:33.48 | dc_ | ade|home: mm. not really. about 20 seconds... |
| 13:33.58 | ade|home | each? |
| 13:34.09 | dc_ | well yeah... |
| 13:34.18 | ade|home | hmm |
| 13:34.21 | jsmanrique | dc_: openning the folder |
| 13:34.31 | dc_ | but I can only store about 20 or so pictures on the phone anyhow. |
| 13:34.44 | ade|home | well fair enough |
| 13:35.02 | jsmanrique | what about a little bug on seleccion file window that appears on many gpe apps? has it be corrected? |
| 13:35.41 | dc_ | I'm getting a nice collection of pictures from japan .... |
| 13:36.00 | dc_ | although japanese arn't quite the photogenic type.. |
| 13:36.17 | ade|home | so funny, the other day i gave my 512mb cf to my gf, i had forgotten the 64cf she wanted for her trip to .ch, now she has 1042 images capable camera, and needs an extra battery to use them all , lol |
| 13:36.41 | dc_ | ! |
| 13:37.21 | ade|home | the nikon can only do ~300 images per battery |
| 13:38.09 | ade|home | need to creat an external portable psu for it , heh |
| 13:38.13 | dc_ | doh :-/ |
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| 17:08.02 | dc_ | doh |
| 17:08.11 | dc_ | found memory leaks in gpe-gallery :] |
| 17:08.18 | pb_ | cool |
| 17:08.20 | mallum | hey dc_ |
| 17:08.30 | dc_ | oh dude hey! |
| 17:08.36 | dc_ | mallum: how's it going_ |
| 17:08.37 | dc_ | ? |
| 17:08.42 | mallum | good good |
| 17:08.46 | dc_ | cool. |
| 17:08.52 | mallum | got some books today |
| 17:08.56 | dc_ | oh? |
| 17:09.48 | mallum | I got this old X Windows book I've been after for ages - It was printed in 1989 |
| 17:10.09 | dc_ | god...very old. |
| 17:10.11 | dc_ | heh. |
| 17:10.40 | dc_ | I've just been working through that expert X programming book you reccommended to me for the third time. |
| 17:10.43 | dc_ | hehe. |
| 17:11.43 | dc_ | mallum: anything else? |
| 17:11.46 | pb_ | ah, you're becoming an X expert? neat. |
| 17:12.34 | mallum | dc_: a graphics gems book for an algorithm and a couple of UI books for reading on honeymoon |
| 17:12.56 | mallum | dc_: dont you mean expert 'c' ? |
| 17:13.36 | dc_ | ! |
| 17:13.46 | dc_ | mallum: ah cool. |
| 17:14.14 | mallum | pb_: played with the c750 yet ? |
| 17:14.21 | dc_ | doh. |
| 17:14.26 | pb_ | no, it's still sittng here in virgin state. |
| 17:14.27 | dc_ | pb_: ;-] |
| 17:14.29 | pb_ | maybe tomorrow. |
| 17:14.46 | pb_ | dc_: ah. well, being a C expert would be cool as well :-) |
| 17:15.01 | dc_ | pb_: wouldn't it just. |
| 17:17.40 | dc_ | m. |
| 17:18.24 | pb_ | nilsf: are you there? |
| 17:19.53 | dc_ | heh...no wonder...gpe-gallery is rotating two images...making it twice as slow as it should be. |
| 17:19.57 | pb_ | doh |
| 17:23.41 | dc_ | this is really anoying. |
| 17:23.58 | dc_ | either we have it rotate two images every time the user wants to rotate it. |
| 17:24.07 | dc_ | or we have to rotate it every time the user uses zoom |
| 17:24.23 | pb_ | oh, mm, right. |
| 17:24.36 | pb_ | maybe you could rotate just the one image, and rescale each time it's rotated. |
| 17:24.39 | pb_ | would that be faster? |
| 17:25.03 | dc_ | not sure. |
| 17:25.29 | dc_ | but I guess the current method is okay. since zooming is used more often than rotating. |
| 17:25.31 | dc_ | yet. |
| 17:25.46 | pb_ | are you just doing rotation by 90deg multiples nowadays, or still the arbitrary sin/cos matrix? |
| 17:26.19 | dc_ | not sure...I seems to be using the old image tools thing. |
| 17:26.29 | dc_ | so I guess it:s the sin/cos game. |
| 17:26.36 | pb_ | oh right, so that's probably way slow. |
| 17:26.58 | dc_ | pb_: on the other issue of memory leaks...have a look at line 282 in main.c |
| 17:27.14 | pb_ | rescaling is done in integers, so that would probably be faster than a second rotate. |
| 17:27.28 | pb_ | the g_object_unref? |
| 17:27.52 | dc_ | after image_pixbuf = pixbuf; |
| 17:28.03 | dc_ | shouldn't there be another g_object_unref? |
| 17:28.09 | dc_ | before the second rotate? |
| 17:28.49 | pb_ | oh, hm, not sure. where you do "scaled_image_pixbuf = image_pixbuf" scares me a bit. |
| 17:29.06 | dc_ | oh right yeah. just saw that. |
| 17:29.14 | dc_ | I'm wrong...but I see the problem now. |
| 17:29.59 | pb_ | ok, great |
| 17:30.06 | dc_ | pb_: eh? hang on. what line is that. |
| 17:30.13 | pb_ | 275 |
| 17:32.02 | dc_ | right. so both point to the same address space. |
| 17:32.20 | pb_ | right. which is a dubious thing to do, because you don't take an extra ref there. |
| 17:32.34 | dc_ | then when we do the first rotate. if the if statement is true. we don't have to the the second rorate? |
| 17:32.48 | pb_ | yeah, no point rotating the same image twice. |
| 17:32.52 | dc_ | *have to do the |
| 17:33.02 | dc_ | pb_: I'm learning ;-] |
| 17:33.08 | pb_ | :-) |
| 17:33.40 | mallum | dc_: use mbpixbuf, it'll be faster then ;-) |
| 17:34.24 | dc_ | and after the image_pixbuf = pixbuf; line, will using the same pixbuf variable name for the second rotate cause any problems? |
| 17:34.37 | dc_ | mallum: ... |
| 17:34.51 | dc_ | mallum: hoe fast.... |
| 17:34.52 | pb_ | no, that should be ok. |
| 17:34.56 | dc_ | s/e/w/ |
| 17:35.21 | mallum | dc_: Im only joking, probably about the same |
| 17:35.50 | dc_ | pb_: m. I don't quite get that. surely if you use the same variable it will overwrite the existing data? |
| 17:35.55 | dc_ | mallum: doh. |
| 17:35.59 | mallum | dc_: mbpixbuf is really simple, gdk pixbuf is much more powerful/featureful |
| 17:36.14 | dc_ | mallum: like gpe-gallery. |
| 17:36.18 | dc_ | mallum: and unlike matchbox. |
| 17:36.20 | dc_ | obviously. |
| 17:36.38 | mallum | ? |
| 17:37.05 | dc_ | mallum: doh. n/m ;-] |
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| 17:39.08 | dc_ | :-\ |
| 17:39.29 | pb_ | back in 25 minutes or so |
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| 18:22.07 | florian | re |
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| 18:27.26 | florian | hi pb_ |
| 18:27.54 | pb_ | re |
| 18:27.58 | pb_ | nilsf: are you there yet? :-) |
| 18:28.02 | pb_ | hi florian |
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| 18:28.42 | reenoo | hi |
| 18:29.40 | florian | hi reenoo |
| 18:31.48 | reenoo | hey florian |
| 18:32.23 | florian | Ah, my story found it's way to handhelds.org :-) |
| 18:33.57 | nilsf | pb_: Umm... yet? So to say I am back from yesterday :) I think xchat has recovered magically... |
| 18:34.00 | pb_ | florian: yep. I approved one copy and deleted the other. |
| 18:34.06 | pb_ | nilsf: aha, hello. :-) |
| 18:34.18 | pb_ | nilsf: would you mind taking a look at bug #917? |
| 18:34.32 | mallum | nilsf: heya |
| 18:34.36 | nilsf | pb_: I am just finishing an electronics parts order on another desktop... |
| 18:34.47 | nilsf | pb_: Umm... sure :) Is this mine :) ? |
| 18:35.28 | pb_ | Well, I think jamey is the assignee, but it looks like it might perhaps be related to a change you made. |
| 18:35.46 | pb_ | I'm not certain that it's anything to do with your patch, though, it could be completely unrelated. |
| 18:36.16 | pb_ | florian: are you in geeklog's GPE group? if not, I can add you to that, and you should then be able to submit stories directly without waiting for approval. |
| 18:36.17 | nilsf | pb_: Wait... I'll try to find my way through bugzilla... |
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| 18:40.01 | nilsf | pb_: What the heck is a 3835 iPAQ? |
| 18:40.22 | nilsf | pb_: Anyway, we have two 3870 here (Florian's and mine) which do not show that effect. |
| 18:40.32 | pb_ | nilsf: No idea. Jamey would know, I suppose. |
| 18:40.44 | pb_ | I would guess it's the same as 3850 though. |
| 18:40.48 | nilsf | pb_: It might be, yes, due to me changing the timing. One would have to test this by reverting just this patch :( |
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| 18:41.39 | pb_ | nilsf: Right, yeah. I suppose I could build a variant of hh13 with it reverted and ask the guy to try it out. |
| 18:41.46 | nilsf | pb_: Apropos Jamey... I requested a comment from the hh.org people several times concerning the timing changes but did not get any. That's why I did not check it in. I think it was you who did it finally ;) |
| 18:42.15 | pb_ | actually, cvs log reveals: |
| 18:42.19 | pb_ | date: 2003/04/25 13:14:14; author: jamey; state: Exp; lines: +2 -2 |
| 18:42.19 | pb_ | applied nils faerber patch to slow down lcd to reduce interference from pcmcia |
| 18:42.38 | nilsf | pb_: Oops, kernel chief himself :) |
| 18:42.52 | pb_ | Right :-) |
| 18:43.31 | nilsf | pb_: I ahve to admit that I did no very thorough research on the changes I did. I have no real idea what the registers I was playing with actually changed. |
| 18:43.50 | nilsf | pb_: I simply copy and pasted the numbers from other architectures... nifty, isn't it ;) ? |
| 18:44.00 | pb_ | Heh, right. |
| 18:44.11 | pb_ | It doesn't help that the description of the problem in the bug report is a little vague. |
| 18:44.19 | pb_ | I'm not entirely clear on what he means by "flickering". |
| 18:44.24 | nilsf | pb_: True. |
| 18:44.46 | nilsf | pb_: I have the slight idea that it might be more a flimmering than flickering. |
| 18:44.53 | florian | pb_: sorry, i was on another desk checking the new anjuta... |
| 18:45.01 | pb_ | Or, at least, if he'd just said "flickering" I would have been OK, but he also used the word "shaking". |
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| 18:45.19 | mallum_ | maybe his lcd is bust |
| 18:45.23 | florian | pb_: ok, that was what i expected :-) |
| 18:45.34 | pb_ | mallum_: he says it works with hh9, so that seems unlikely. |
| 18:45.49 | nilsf | pb_: I have also seen similar effects. I think the colors are sometimes reproduced by changing the frequency to the pixels, some kind of PWM? |
| 18:46.01 | mallum_ | ah |
| 18:46.08 | nilsf | pb_: Then changing the base frequency could cause a more or less visible effect of flimering.... |
| 18:46.26 | nilsf | pb_: But on the other hand I have no real idea about the whole LCD controller stuff... |
| 18:46.29 | pb_ | nilsf: Dunno. My ignorance of video technology in general (and LCDs in particular) is almost complete. |
| 18:47.00 | florian | pb_: i don't think so - if you think my english is good enough for geeklog it would be nice to be added ;-) |
| 18:47.01 | pb_ | Keith would be the man to ask, but he is apparently on vacation for two weeks. |
| 18:49.12 | pb_ | hm, my Epiphany is malfunctioning again. |
| 18:50.47 | reenoo | pb_: what version of epiphany? IMHO epiphany is getting worse with every release :( |
| 18:51.06 | pb_ | I'm now installing 0.4.2-1.1 from debian. not sure which I had before. |
| 18:51.17 | pb_ | I could go back to galeon, but that seemed even worse. |
| 18:51.52 | reenoo | pb_: I had a pre 0.5.0 version from CVS which was pretty decent |
| 18:52.06 | pb_ | ah, maybe I should try that. |
| 18:52.20 | pb_ | hm |
| 18:52.24 | pb_ | Selecting previously deselected package epiphany. |
| 18:52.25 | reenoo | using 0.7.0 now. it kinda sucks :( |
| 18:52.32 | pb_ | that's weird, I definitely did have epiphany installed before. |
| 18:52.59 | pb_ | maybe garnome has inveigled itself back onto my PATH or something. |
| 18:53.33 | florian | cool... Anjuta is GTK2 now! |
| 18:53.51 | pb_ | suck, still broken. |
| 18:54.56 | reenoo | pb_: we tried to install gnome 2.2 using both garnome and cvsgnome on a solaris box at LT... both proved to be more or less broken/useless ;) |
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| 18:55.25 | pb_ | hm, konqueror even worse, I can't log in at all. |
| 18:55.35 | pb_ | reenoo: yeah, I've given up with garnome now. |
| 18:55.43 | florian | Browsers seem to be a permanent problem... |
| 18:58.00 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 18:58.24 | pb_ | maybe I should upgrade my mozilla core. |
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| 19:22.10 | nilsf | Seems we had a net problem? |
| 19:23.02 | pb_ | Just the standard freenode thing, I think. |
| 19:23.32 | florian | nilsf: Yep, freenode.net suffers from netsplits lately... |
| 19:24.24 | fliplap | it reminds me of the efnet of a couple years ago |
| 19:24.51 | fliplap | not that efnet is much better now |
| 19:26.01 | florian | Afaik the freenode people are desperately looking for another hub in europe... |
| 19:37.37 | AM | Hi everyone. Are GPE ready for a 0.7.1 release of familiar? |
| 19:41.16 | AM | We were talking about Opie 1.0 release on #opie and they reply that a new familliar release version can be made. |
| 19:43.37 | florian | AM: I think the question should be if Familiar is ready for a release... i think most GPE stuff is quite stable now. |
| 19:48.03 | pb_ | Right. I don't think it would be sensible to make an 0.7.1 release quite yet. However, Russ is the 0.7 release manager, so it's his call. |
| 19:48.25 | pb_ | It would probably be useful to start thinking about which GPE packages we would want to put into 0.7.1, though. |
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| 19:52.03 | florian | pb_: btw. there is hostap 0.4 released - maybe a candidate for some tests :-) |
| 19:53.24 | pb_ | florian: aha. |
| 19:53.51 | pb_ | I'll import it into CVS soonest. What version do we have right now, 0.3? |
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| 19:54.46 | pb_ | oh, hm, whoops, I was supposed to be somewhere else at 20:30. bbl. |
| 19:55.14 | reenoo | I know that feeling |
| 19:56.20 | reenoo | arrgh... almost 10pm again :( |
| 20:16.05 | florian | pb_: yep, think so |
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| 20:45.58 | Servo888|Home | almost 5 pm over here :-) |
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| 21:49.15 | florian | gn |
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| 23:22.11 | pb_ | re |