| 00:00.26 | pigeon | One 64mb ram xda in london being sold on ebay for GBP320 right now. |
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| 00:33.18 | dc___ | sleep for mw |
| 00:33.19 | dc___ | me |
| 00:33.30 | dc___ | pigeon: enjoy your sunny day |
| 00:33.47 | pigeon | heh |
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| 06:50.57 | florian | morning |
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| 09:18.54 | PaxAnima | hi, pb_ |
| 09:30.48 | pb_ | hi PaxAnima |
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| 09:49.57 | pb_ | hi paul |
| 09:50.18 | paul | heya pb_ |
| 09:50.24 | paul | how are things? |
| 09:56.50 | pb_ | yeah, not bad. mostly finished my stint at ARM for the time being. |
| 10:03.23 | paul | oh? |
| 10:03.35 | paul | as in not working on ARM based machines any longer? |
| 10:03.46 | paul | or a change of job? |
| 10:04.08 | pb_ | no, I just finished my contract at ARM Ltd, where I've been for the past four weeks or so. |
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| 10:05.43 | paul | pb_: ah.. ok. |
| 10:06.23 | pb_ | so, I guess I will have some more time for GPE again now. |
| 10:06.24 | paul | hi flo |
| 10:06.31 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 10:06.51 | paul | pb_: what were you doing at ARM? anything interesting? (or so interesting you cant say? :) ) |
| 10:09.16 | pb_ | nothing all that exciting. architectural validation of a new cpu core. |
| 10:09.34 | paul | sounds like fun. |
| 10:10.43 | florian | hi pb_ |
| 10:10.46 | florian | hi all |
| 10:11.09 | florian | hi paul |
| 10:11.46 | paul | hi |
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| 11:15.21 | mstr | hi |
| 11:15.52 | mstr | any idea, how I could make url:s in gpemail clickable? |
| 11:17.40 | florian | do you use gtk2? |
| 11:18.45 | mstr | yes |
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| 11:20.48 | florian | afaik you can include widgets inside a text... e.g. a formated label (use pango markups) |
| 11:22.02 | mstr | pango? |
| 11:22.10 | mstr | I'm really a gtk newb. :/ |
| 11:23.39 | florian | ah, ok - this is easy... there is a kind of somple markup language to set e.g. font properties. in gtk2 some widgets support this: |
| 11:24.54 | florian | e.g. to make a label bold you'd call gtk_label_set_markup(label,"<b>some crazy text</b>") |
| 11:25.21 | florian | devhelp is very useful learning gtk :-) |
| 11:25.29 | mstr | devhelp? |
| 11:25.47 | PaxAnima | ibot: devhelp? |
| 11:25.48 | | PaxAnima: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 11:26.00 | florian | is a kind od help browser... |
| 11:26.01 | Hallski | http://devhelp.codefactory.se/ |
| 11:26.37 | PaxAnima | ibot: devhelp is a cool help browser, found at http://devhelp.codefactory.se/ |
| 11:26.37 | | PaxAnima: okay |
| 11:28.17 | florian | I use anjuta (an ide) which has interactive help support using devhelp |
| 11:28.43 | florian | yeah, he learns very fast ;-) |
| 11:31.19 | florian | brb, breakfast |
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| 12:17.04 | florian | re |
| 13:25.00 | florian | hmm.. shouldn't be bug 765 a blocking one for 99? |
| 13:26.44 | pb_ | which is 765? |
| 13:27.17 | pb_ | oh, the monobut thing? no, I don't think that is a blocking issue. |
| 13:27.19 | florian | this ugly monobut redrawing... |
| 13:27.57 | florian | ok, right.. it works... |
| 13:28.24 | florian | oh, gpe-clock is not transparent :-( |
| 13:28.36 | pb_ | Yeah. At this stage, in order to block 0.7 a bug would have to be extremely serious indeed. |
| 13:29.08 | pb_ | Make it block 556 if you like, though. |
| 13:29.16 | florian | yep, ok - right you are... |
| 13:29.25 | pb_ | ah, yeah, I noticed that gpe-clock thing too. I should try to fix it. |
| 13:29.30 | florian | 556=V0.8? |
| 13:29.33 | pb_ | yep. |
| 13:29.39 | florian | ok :-) |
| 13:30.57 | florian | done |
| 13:31.00 | pb_ | We pushed out stuff like the 3900 suspend/audio problems to the 0.8 milestone as well. |
| 13:31.06 | pb_ | Great. |
| 13:31.25 | florian | is this so hard? |
| 13:32.03 | pb_ | the 3900 bugs? Yeah, they seemed fairly intractable at the time. In fact, I think we now have a fix for the audio one, but the suspend problem is still outstanding. |
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| 13:33.00 | florian | Hmm... this is bad. The 3800s have still problems in suspended state too :-/ |
| 13:34.04 | jg_ | florian: that's not good... |
| 13:35.30 | pb_ | florian: yeah, indeed, I think it's the same bug that affects the h3900. |
| 13:35.39 | florian | jg_: hello... thanks for the praise :-) |
| 13:35.42 | jg_ | florian: good work on gpe-aerial.... |
| 13:35.43 | pb_ | It seems to be random in both cases: sometimes they suspend properly, sometimes they don't. |
| 13:36.04 | florian | :-) |
| 13:36.43 | jg_ | florian: unfortunately, I happened to send out my silver card last week, so haven't been able to really run it, as the wireless card I have uses the hostap driver. |
| 13:36.46 | florian | yep, does anyone have an idea which part is not correctly suspended? |
| 13:37.24 | pb_ | No, not really. |
| 13:37.25 | jg_ | florian: if we knew that, we'd fix it... |
| 13:38.05 | florian | jg_: you could try to use orinoco for that - in theory most cards that use hostap should work with it |
| 13:38.33 | jg_ | florian: in theory, I'll be getting that card back in a day or two. |
| 13:39.34 | florian | i could try to measure how much power is consumed... if it's enough for my equipment |
| 13:40.03 | pb_ | Yeah, I think it should be enough current that it would show up quite easily. |
| 13:40.28 | florian | jg_: the silver cards should work well, i tested with a roamabout wich is more or less the same |
| 13:40.53 | jg_ | florian: did you bugzilla the hostap driver? |
| 13:41.18 | florian | jg_: nope, but right... i should do that. |
| 13:42.59 | pb_ | florian: since the suspend problem afflicts h3800 and h3900, but apparently not h3600, I would guess it relates to the Rosella ASIC. But it could easily be something else. |
| 13:43.18 | jg_ | pb_: seems like a theory... |
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| 14:43.53 | florian | hmm... ok |
| 14:44.09 | florian | i have some results: |
| 14:45.42 | florian | 3870, running gpe - suspended |
| 14:46.14 | florian | 33mA sleeping |
| 14:48.26 | pb_ | Okay. Would you try waking it up and suspending it a few times, and see if you get consistent results each time? |
| 14:48.31 | florian | 65mA every 5s |
| 14:49.00 | pb_ | Yeah, it wakes up briefly every five seconds while on AC to check the battery. |
| 14:49.10 | florian | for about 1/2s |
| 14:50.01 | pb_ | You can change that interval with the sleep_battery_interval parameter on h3600_asic.o. |
| 14:50.16 | pb_ | It takes an argument in seconds, I think. |
| 14:50.25 | florian | ah, cool |
| 14:50.42 | florian | isn't this quite often? |
| 14:51.05 | pb_ | yeah, it could be less frequent. But while AC is connected, it doesn't particularly matter. |
| 14:51.15 | pb_ | Once you disconnect the external power, it will stop doing that. |
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| 14:53.49 | florian | ah, ok.. now after some suspends i noticed this: |
| 14:55.38 | florian | about every 2.5s there is a peak, alternating about 40mA and 50 to 60 next |
| 14:56.44 | pb_ | ah, hm. |
| 14:58.48 | pb_ | what instrument are you using to measure the current, by the way? |
| 14:59.25 | pb_ | or, I guess what I am really trying to get at is what length of time does it sample over. |
| 15:00.07 | florian | a philips pm97 scope |
| 15:01.47 | florian | it's a 50MHz oscilloscope |
| 15:05.52 | florian | What is the capacity of this iPaqs battery? |
| 15:11.38 | florian | hmm.. with a faster sample rate the peaks are much lower :-/ |
| 15:12.04 | pb_ | florian: 1400mAh, I think. |
| 15:13.33 | pb_ | or 1000mAh on 3700 and older units. |
| 15:13.41 | florian | ok... |
| 15:14.12 | florian | i think noone knows how much the led and this charging stuff needs... |
| 15:14.45 | pb_ | No. You could turn off the charger manually using devmem2, or by hacking h3600_asic_battery.c. |
| 15:15.26 | florian | iiks... or i could open one of the ipaqs |
| 15:15.35 | pb_ | Also, the ipaq steps the 5V from the charger down to 3.3V using a switching regulator, and you will lose some power there. I would hope not too much though. |
| 15:16.13 | florian | yep, i think good ones should not lose more than 10-20% |
| 15:16.14 | pb_ | Yeah. There's a place you can fit a sense resistor to measure current more accurately. I don't know offhand where, but jg might be able to tell you. |
| 15:18.23 | pb_ | If you want to try disabling the charger, it's controlled by bit 4 in asic1 gpio, which I think is at 0x40001e68. |
| 15:20.14 | pb_ | oh, er, no, that'd probably be 0x48001e68. |
| 15:21.01 | florian | i think i'll try to open one... later or tomorrow :-) |
| 15:21.09 | pb_ | ok, cool. |
| 15:22.21 | pb_ | The units are quite easy to open. Four torx screws, either T6 or T7 (can't remember which). Then you just need to use a fingernail to gently separate the plastic clips that hold the two halves of the case together. |
| 15:23.06 | florian | ok, this should be no problem... |
| 15:23.54 | pb_ | oh, the other thing to remember is to remove mmc cards and stylus before starting, otherwise they will get in the way :-} |
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| 15:24.28 | florian | ahh, good to know :-) |
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| 16:10.53 | pb_ | ah, I see X.org has published a set of IPv6 patches for review. |
| 16:14.42 | florian | hmm... a zaurus seems to need nearly no power in suspended state |
| 16:15.10 | pb_ | aha. |
| 16:27.45 | florian | 75mA on without backlight |
| 16:31.04 | pb_ | mm, that's not bad. |
| 16:35.48 | florian | bbl |
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| 17:50.27 | pb_ | re |
| 17:50.29 | pb_ | sigh, I should fix my xchat configuration. |
| 17:50.54 | dc_ | hey pb_ |
| 17:51.01 | dc_ | arg. I need to get my sat working |
| 17:51.10 | PaxAnima | heh.. "ol" ;) |
| 17:51.13 | pb_ | dc_: hey |
| 17:51.18 | pb_ | dc_: still not working? |
| 17:52.05 | dc_ | indeed....still something up with my multicast... |
| 17:52.20 | pb_ | ah yeah, that. |
| 17:52.39 | dc_ | pb_: does the kernel have any other rp_filter style tricks up its sleve that might affect UDP connections? |
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| 17:53.00 | dc_ | oh, owen is alive. |
| 17:53.01 | pb_ | dc_: none I can think of. |
| 17:53.14 | pb_ | crumbs, yes. |
| 17:53.27 | dc_ | and he's demanding screenshots! |
| 17:54.52 | pb_ | yup. best do as he asks! |
| 17:55.02 | dc_ | I think so. |
| 17:55.36 | pb_ | what's the problem you're having with UDP? |
| 18:00.24 | pb_ | dc_: oh, btw, my garnome build was failing in gedit, it turned out. some kind of library issue it seems. |
| 18:04.14 | dc_ | Cannot create receiving udp socket |
| 18:04.15 | dc_ | is the error. |
| 18:04.28 | dc_ | ahhh |
| 18:04.33 | pb_ | ah, not too enlightening. |
| 18:04.38 | dc_ | indeed. |
| 18:07.19 | dc_ | and the error that error generates is a 502 Bad Gateway |
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| 18:08.02 | tboc | hi |
| 18:08.11 | dc_ | afternoon |
| 18:09.10 | tboc | any progress with gpe on the zaurus lately? |
| 18:10.19 | pb_ | talk to treke in #openembedded, I think he worked on it last. |
| 18:10.33 | tboc | ok, thx |
| 18:12.35 | pb_ | dc_: can you strace the process that's trying to open the socket and see how it fails? |
| 18:12.47 | dc_ | ah, good idea. |
| 18:12.49 | dc_ | oh wwait. |
| 18:13.26 | dc_ | okauy..... |
| 18:13.50 | dc_ | doh, it doesn't exit. |
| 18:13.59 | dc_ | it just puts that error in the log file |
| 18:14.25 | dc_ | multicast_receive_interface - Interface for the reception of UDP packets from the Server Proxy while the speed mode is on. |
| 18:14.33 | dc_ | howw does that translate forr yyou? |
| 18:20.05 | pb_ | gibberish, really. |
| 18:20.30 | dc_ | indeed. |
| 18:20.31 | pb_ | your kernel has multicast enabled, I suppose? |
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| 18:20.45 | dc_ | hrm |
| 18:20.48 | florian | re |
| 18:20.58 | dc_ | good evening florian |
| 18:21.06 | pb_ | florian: re |
| 18:21.17 | florian | dc_: hi |
| 18:22.29 | dc_ | pb_: it would seem, any ideaas on how to check? |
| 18:23.04 | pb_ | do you have /proc/net/igmp? |
| 18:23.20 | pb_ | I guess that's probably conditional on multicast. |
| 18:23.44 | dc_ | I do have it.. |
| 18:24.03 | pb_ | right |
| 18:24.08 | dc_ | I don't seem to have multicast 'routiing' enabled thouugh... |
| 18:24.09 | pb_ | did you try strace? |
| 18:24.14 | dc_ | ppbyes |
| 18:24.39 | pb_ | wouldn't have thought you'd need routing, but you never know I guess. |
| 18:24.39 | dc_ | pb_: strace gives some ouutput, but not wwhilst the program is running. |
| 18:25.04 | pb_ | oh. hm. |
| 18:35.19 | dc_ | w00t |
| 18:35.23 | dc_ | I have satellite :-d |
| 18:35.27 | dc_ | :-D |
| 18:35.29 | dc_ | joy... |
| 18:38.21 | pb_ | rock! |
| 18:38.24 | pb_ | what was the problem? |
| 18:38.34 | dc_ | it seems I had another option set wrong |
| 18:39.30 | pb_ | aha |
| 18:42.51 | dc_ | weeee |
| 18:42.56 | dc_ | 40Kb/s! |
| 18:42.59 | pb_ | cool. |
| 18:43.01 | dc_ | kB/s |
| 18:43.07 | dc_ | oh the joys.. |
| 18:43.11 | dc_ | now I can download gobolinux |
| 18:46.48 | nelson | ibot: seen nils? |
| 18:46.48 | | nils <~nils@217.78.10.71> was last seen on IRC in channel #familiar, 182d 27m 53s ago, saying: 'anyone here deal with embeded systems'. |
| 18:47.03 | nelson | ibot: nils? |
| 18:47.03 | | i guess nils is Nils Faerber <mailto:nils@kernelconcepts.de> or to be seen at http://oldenburger.linuxtage.de/lt2000/devel/pictures/meeting-026.jpg |
| 18:47.20 | nelson | ibot: nils is also someone who rarely uses IRC. Send him email instead. |
| 18:47.21 | | okay, nelson |
| 18:48.54 | nelson | pb_: a T6 opens the iPAQ. |
| 19:00.02 | pb_ | nelson: aha. |
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| 19:17.53 | dc_ | hey jg_ |
| 19:20.03 | jg_ | dc_: hi |
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| 22:11.33 | flo_sleeping | night all |
| 22:11.49 | pb_ | night |
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| 23:31.24 | pigeon | good morning fellow gpers. |
| 23:31.28 | pb_ | hi pigeon |
| 23:31.52 | pigeon | pb_ :) |
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