04:33:22 | mibus | howdy |
04:45:56 | mibus | hey colin_werk |
04:48:07 | colin_werk | Hi mibus |
04:49:49 | mibus | anything interesting happening? |
04:54:45 | colin_werk | I *think* upgrading gpe-apps should pull packages so that yuo get a login background screen. |
04:55:14 | colin_werk | And mccarthy worked on gpe-calendar etc. so that alarm should work |
05:00:53 | mibus | login background screen? |
05:01:10 | mibus | i hope its not using the -t or -i or whatever from gpe-ownerinfo cos it doesnt work on matchbox... |
05:02:57 | colin_werk | No, just for the login, when matchbox isn't running yet |
05:03:03 | mibus | oh yeah |
05:03:04 | mibus | *duh* |
05:03:16 | colin_werk | It is using -t though :) |
05:03:46 | colin_werk | For the locking function, I'll have to try it (it's not in there) |
05:16:45 | mibus | cant install gpe-apps 'cos gpe-memo isnt available |
05:18:42 | mibus | i did force-depends upgrade gpe-apps and theres no difference... |
05:18:57 | mibus | i didnt reboot tho, not that that should affect it... |
05:19:08 | colin_werk | Hell. |
05:20:30 | colin_werk | mibus: Can you please fix that for me? go to ./tasks/gpe-apps/, edit control and take out gpe-memo from the Depends list, bump up the version number, then do "fakeroot make" and upload the new package? |
05:20:50 | mibus | colin_werk: cant u? |
05:21:41 | colin_werk | mibus: No :/ I'm at work, no acces, and I'll leave for my parents right after work |
05:21:54 | mibus | ah |
05:22:11 | mibus | gimme a few mins... |
05:22:20 | colin_werk | I was sure that gpe-memo was in unstable now... |
05:22:40 | mibus | ~ # ipkg install gpe-memo |
05:22:41 | mibus | Multiple providers (0). Not defaulting providers automatically.Please request one of the above providing packages by name.Cannot find package gpe-memo. |
05:22:41 | mibus | Check the spelling or perhaps run `ipkg update' |
05:22:52 | colin_werk | Ah, no, I added gaxer's feed :/ |
05:23:03 | colin_werk | gazer's. |
05:25:16 | mibus | gpe-memo isnt in the control file anyway... |
05:34:13 | colin_werk | Uhm. |
05:35:09 | colin_werk | Argh. I didn't check it in.... |
05:36:02 | colin_werk | Next try: can you add gpe-setbg and gpe-conf to the Depends:, make the version 0.11, cvs commit it, and upload the package? |
05:40:15 | mibus | the last version was .09... |
05:40:22 | mibus | any other changes?? |
05:45:07 | colin_werk | No. I released a 0.10, but didn't check it in. |
05:48:17 | mibus | ah ok |
05:48:29 | mibus | why release then? or did it only have gpe-conf added? |
05:49:00 | colin_werk | I added gpe-memo by mistake, so you get the breakage you saw |
05:49:11 | mibus | oh 0.10 is in the feed, of course |
05:49:15 | mibus | whacks his head |
05:49:26 | colin_werk | gpe-setbg, gpe-conf and gpe-memo, the latter is bad |
05:49:32 | mibus | tag the commit? |
05:50:08 | colin_werk | I didn't. But I find it nice. If only I could remember to do it always... :) |
05:50:42 | colin_werk | ipkg-upload should write out a message to tag CVS :) |
05:50:49 | mibus | heh |
05:50:54 | mibus | ipkg-upload???/ |
05:51:11 | colin_werk | Don't tell me you do it all by hand! |
05:51:15 | colin_werk | :) |
05:51:41 | mibus | tagged gpe-apps-0-11 |
05:51:44 | colin_werk | It calls gpg for you and uploads the package, and writes out a log. Quite nice. |
05:51:46 | mibus | yes |
05:51:48 | mibus | cool |
05:52:08 | colin_werk | It's in ipkg CVS, among ipkg-build etc. |
05:53:21 | mibus | ah ok |
05:53:25 | mibus | ill have to get it |
05:57:23 | mibus | ipkg-upload is too fast for my liking... |
05:57:29 | mibus | the uploading stage finished instantly... |
06:02:09 | mibus | i ran it but im not sure it uploaded it... |
06:08:37 | colin_werk | Ah. I guess you have an old curl, happened to me too |
06:09:40 | mibus | its whats in debian/woody, gah |
06:10:01 | colin_werk | Hmm. |
06:10:13 | colin_werk | It should be made more robust... |
06:11:10 | mibus | yeah it should |
06:11:15 | mibus | does a manual upload |
06:41:44 | colin_werk | mibus: Thanks very much. |
06:45:10 | cmartin | colin_werk: first off - Hi! |
06:46:36 | cmartin | colin_werk: I'm new to gpe. And I would like to know how I can change the font on the keyboard, in the applet pop-ups and in the terminal. Can you give me a hint? |
06:47:15 | colin_werk | Hi cmartin |
06:48:09 | colin_werk | xkbd... it's defined in the layout file, /usr/share/xkbd/. You could copy one to ~/.kbdconfig and edit that |
06:48:29 | colin_werk | No idea for the applet popups, you need to ask mallum about that |
06:48:58 | colin_werk | terminal... Hmm. I guess it's in the menu file. |
06:49:13 | cmartin | what about Xdefaults? |
06:50:03 | mibus | colin_werk: no worries |
06:50:04 | mibus | ciao all |
06:50:46 | colin_werk | mibus: bye |
06:50:48 | mibus | colin_werk: terminal font defaults to 7pt IIRC, but you can change the 'command=' line of gpe-terminal to one of the rxvt command= if you want a diff't size |
06:51:04 | colin_werk | Right. http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/file.phtml?package=http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/gpe-terminal_0.0.1_arm.ipk&filename=./usr/lib/menu/gpe-terminal |
06:51:38 | colin_werk | I guess no app we have reads ~/.Xdefaults. ~/.gtkrc for gtk apps |
06:52:12 | cmartin | o.k. that explains my failures ;-) |
06:54:07 | cmartin | another dumb question: how did you get the background and user info into the login screen (screenshots from gpe) |
06:54:41 | cmartin | I set backgound and user info but that doesn't show up in the login screen. |
06:56:17 | cmartin | terminal font set ;-) thanx |
06:57:17 | colin_werk | cmartin: upgrade gpe-apps, and it should work |
06:57:34 | colin_werk | That should pull a new gpe-session-scripts and gpe-setbg |
06:57:39 | cmartin | don't you think the terminal should default to something other than mono-7.5? I can't read anything with this setting. |
06:58:06 | colin_werk | cmartin: Seems you didn't install the MS fonts... |
06:58:23 | cmartin | which MS fonts? |
06:58:56 | cmartin | is there a package or do I have to install TTFs manually |
06:59:52 | cmartin | when I do a ipkg upgrade I'm told everything is up to date. |
07:00:41 | colin_werk | Argh. |
07:00:46 | colin_werk | http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=familiar-postinst&official=&format= |
07:00:56 | colin_werk | cmartin: Install that |
07:12:54 | jsmanrique | hi! |
07:13:28 | cmartin | I'll do tha later - thankx - I just fried my system. :( I have a nvrd and just booted from the serial console which ignores my params file. bye bye nvrd |
07:17:28 | jsmanrique | seeing .NET Compact Framework, I would like to know if there is any similar project under Familiar distro for Mono:: |
07:17:49 | jsmanrique | seeing .NET Compact Framework, I would like to know if there is any similar project under Familiar distro for Mono:: |
07:22:02 | jsmanrique | ok |
07:22:13 | jsmanrique | none here.. |
07:22:24 | jsmanrique | see you later |
07:28:35 | mallum | hey pb_ |
07:28:46 | mallum | cmarqu: Im fixing up xkbd now |
07:29:15 | mallum | cmarqu: I could really do with some help if you have any spare time .... ;) |
07:30:45 | colin_werk | mallum: In principle, I'd love to help, but not this weekend :) |
07:31:01 | colin_werk | Leaving for my parents soon |
07:31:28 | colin_werk | mallum: will you make AltGr+Shift work? |
07:31:40 | pb_ | hi mallum |
07:32:07 | pb_ | what are you doing to xkbd? |
07:32:37 | colin_werk | Naming "standard" to "uk" I guess :) |
07:32:48 | pb_ | Aha :-) |
07:34:37 | colin_werk | wonders if there are localised fitaly layouts |
07:34:56 | mallum | colin_werk: AltGr+Shift would be incredably difficult |
07:35:15 | mallum | colin_werk: seriously X keyboard workings mely your brain |
07:35:35 | mallum | colin_werk: but I've now got multiple layouts working so that should help you |
07:39:51 | pb_ | mallum: what makes altgr+shift hard to implement? |
07:42:50 | colin_werk | mallum: How multiple layouts? |
07:43:16 | colin_werk | mallum: And can I make "s" --> "sch" when I slide left, e.g.? |
07:44:30 | mallum | colin_werk: what send 3 chars ? |
07:44:49 | mallum | colin_werk: grab CVS and you'll see multiple layouts |
07:45:25 | mallum | pb_: basically becuase of the way xkbd is written , adding an extra state means a lots of patching :( |
07:46:16 | colin_werk | mallum: yes, go from one key to multiple chars |
07:46:24 | colin_werk | Cool feature: http://fitaly.com/board/palmforum/posts/1731.html |
07:46:25 | pb_ | mallum: oh, I see. :-( |
07:48:19 | colin_werk | mallum: Can we have slides like north-east too? |
07:53:21 | mallum | colin_werk: not currenltly, but it would not be hard to add |
07:54:14 | colin_werk | mallum: Looks like it would be a useful addition for non-7-bit users |
07:54:42 | mallum | colin_werk: well maybe one of them will patch it to do so ;) |
07:57:18 | colin_werk | Gnarg. |
07:57:51 | colin_werk | I cannot even compile xkbd because of autotools issues :/ |
08:00:19 | mallum | colin_werk: damn autotools :( |
08:01:11 | colin_werk | Yeah... |
08:02:07 | mallum | colin_werk: what distro you using ? |
08:09:07 | colin_werk | mallum: Debian, unstable, but not all is fully up-to-date. Will try again next week. |
08:09:20 | colin_werk | --> lunch |
08:13:12 | mallum | colin_werk: an update will prolly fix things |
09:06:12 | colin_werk | Okay. |
09:50:23 | colin_werk | Have fun guys, I'm off for the weekend. |
10:58:48 | jsmanrique | hello |
10:59:10 | jsmanrique | just a visit before leaving the office |
11:01:41 | jsmanrique | anyone working in mono:: port to Familiar? |
11:01:44 | jsmanrique | wouldn't it be nice having a free alternative to .NET Compact Framework? |
11:03:13 | pb_ | What would be the benefits for GPE? |
11:04:40 | jsmanrique | what would be for WindowsCE? |
11:04:59 | jsmanrique | I've seen a website with some slides talking about it... |
11:05:04 | jsmanrique | let me search it: |
11:05:40 | jsmanrique | http://www.develop.com/compactframework/vslive.aspx |
11:07:01 | PaxAnima | .NET is a useless hyped thingie (until something uses it for something usefull), IMHO |
11:08:53 | jsmanrique | if it useless, why every linux congress I go, there are tons of people talking about how marvellous mono:: is |
11:10:15 | jsmanrique | I suppose most of you know what mono:: is... |
11:10:26 | jsmanrique | http://www.go-mono.org |
11:11:07 | PaxAnima | I haven't looked at .NET things at all, so I guess I can't say much usefull on the subject... |
11:11:43 | jsmanrique | read pages in www.go-mono.org site... |
11:12:51 | jsmanrique | it seems to be interesting having a least runtime compiled for ipaq.. maybe. So same code could work in a lot of machines... I don't know, but sure I have to read more about it |
11:13:31 | PaxAnima | but doesn't mono require a lot of ugly GNOME stuff as well? |
11:13:49 | jsmanrique | nice to begin in: http://www.go-mono.org/faq.html |
11:14:53 | jsmanrique | How is Mono related to GNOME? |
11:14:53 | jsmanrique | In a number of ways. This project was born out of the need of providing improved tools for the GNOME community, and will use existing components that have been developed for GNOME when they are available. For example, we plan to use Gtk+ and Libart to implement Winforms and the Drawing2D API and are considering GObject support. |
11:17:13 | mallum | jsmanrique: the ultimate problem with mono will be speed on a platform like the ipaq when compared to c |
11:29:52 | jsmanrique | mallum : that's clear... |
11:30:24 | jsmanrique | mallum : but could anybody explain me why is it good for M$ and Ximiam? |
11:31:20 | jsmanrique | of course, this is a mad idea from me... |
11:31:57 | jsmanrique | but it could be possible having the same .NET infrastructure, as opensource |
11:34:49 | jsmanrique | sorry |
11:34:59 | jsmanrique | but I have to go home for lunch |
11:35:03 | jsmanrique | see you later |
11:55:42 | tboc | hi |
11:57:12 | mallum | hello tboc |
11:59:14 | tboc | i wondered if i could use x w/ gtk instead of qtopia on my zaurus so i thought it'd be a good idea to stay a while =) |
12:03:39 | mallum | tboc: theres no reason why not, but I dont think anyone has yet done a decent job porting and pacakging things like X etc for the zaruas as yet |
12:04:25 | tboc | mallum: i just found a project which released a jffs2-image with X11 and matchbox for the Z |
12:05:18 | mallum | tboc: do you have a URL ? |
12:05:53 | tboc | mom |
12:06:01 | tboc | http://people.debian.org/~mdz/zaurus/ |
12:06:11 | tboc | "After teaching mkfs.jffs2 about hardlinks, and trimming down more installed packages, I now have a jffs2 image which includes X, matchbox and xvt." |
12:06:18 | tboc | sounds nice |
12:09:48 | mallum | tboc: oh yeah I heard about this guy |
12:09:59 | tboc | ? |
12:10:02 | mallum | tboc: he's progressed since I last checked his page |
12:10:07 | tboc | ic |
12:10:09 | mallum | tboc: why not give it a go ? |
12:10:14 | tboc | hmm... |
12:10:30 | tboc | i just wanted to know if there's some good PIM software available etc. |
12:13:15 | tboc | but i think i'll try it even if there wasn't *g* |
12:13:42 | tboc | somehow i just don't like qtopia that much |
12:15:22 | mallum | no, nor do most people here ;) |
12:15:47 | tboc | =) |
12:16:40 | tboc | just doesn't "feel" like real linux ;) |
12:17:02 | mallum | yes indeed |
12:18:23 | tboc | oh sorry, have to leave for a while ... bbs |
12:30:47 | gazer | looks in. |
13:15:08 | tboc | re |
14:23:53 | PaxAnima | quiet here to today.. |
14:51:31 | mallum | gtk2 backtraces are rediculous |
14:51:45 | mallum | begins to hate gtk2 as much as gtk1.2 |
15:05:15 | PaxAnima | hi, mccarthy |
15:05:29 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: hello |
15:05:39 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: what is your calendar app? |
15:06:06 | PaxAnima | bad |
15:06:53 | mccarthy | :d |
15:07:05 | PaxAnima | the calendar is the first app I did, and it really sucks, codewise/designwise/fill-in-your-wise-here |
15:07:51 | PaxAnima | I'm rather happy with the other apps in my PIM suite |
15:12:33 | PaxAnima | it's mainly update-repeating-events that's holding me back now (and I have the solution to it, but havne't had the time, and the interest has kinda gone away after fidling with it for weeks) |
15:25:28 | jsmanrique | hi! |
15:25:35 | jsmanrique | anything new here? |
15:26:25 | mccarthy | ipaq-sleep now sleeps for any user and gpe-calendar now uses atd |
15:27:08 | jsmanrique | atd? |
15:27:32 | mccarthy | yep |
15:27:52 | jsmanrique | what is atd? |
15:28:17 | mccarthy | the at daemon |
15:28:25 | jsmanrique | :( |
15:28:38 | jsmanrique | what is at daemon? what does it do? |
15:28:41 | mccarthy | alarm scheduling |
15:28:47 | jsmanrique | ok |
20:28:26 | dc_ | evening |
20:28:29 | PaxAnima | evening |
20:30:22 | dc_ | PaxAnima: how's it going? |
20:31:05 | PaxAnima | well, stuck on my PIM (repeating events is cumbersome), and psCalc and norwegian layout for xkbd is in the unstable feed |
20:32:22 | dc_ | ah, cool... |
20:33:14 | PaxAnima | so what are you hacking these days? |
20:33:21 | tboc | btw. anyone using gpe on the zaurus? i thought about switching from qtopia |
20:33:29 | dc_ | gpe-filemanager... |
20:33:33 | dc_ | gpe-gallery.. |
20:33:36 | dc_ | and school :[ |
20:33:56 | dc_ | PaxAnima: ya seen gpe-filemanager yet? |
20:34:11 | PaxAnima | no, haven't tried it yet |
20:34:21 | dc_ | ah well if you get some time. |
20:34:39 | dc_ | it's got mime type support and looks quite cool with te alpha icons etc... |
20:34:51 | dc_ | just working on some more useability improvments. |
20:41:26 | PaxAnima | ok |
20:41:56 | PaxAnima | have to reboot to install my old sb live card... |
20:44:53 | dc_ | nils: hey |
20:45:35 | nils | Hi! I am now in Oldenburg and will hopefully be online until Sunday afternoon. I intend to do some GPE work here... |
20:52:08 | dc_ | yay |
20:52:09 | dc_ | sheers |
20:52:13 | dc_ | cheers |
20:52:28 | dc_ | nils: what's on the agenda? |
20:54:09 | nils | dc_: All and nothin' ;) First off of course the alarm thing. I wanted to have a closer look at atd and uschedule. |
20:54:43 | nils | dc_: Second is reviewing and updating the WWW pages... I got word that they are somewhat outdated. |
20:55:13 | nils | dc_: And then... let's see what comes across me on the way ;) |
20:56:09 | dc_ | nils: cool.. |
20:56:24 | dc_ | well I need to catch up on gpe--filemanager, once I finish my homework... |
20:58:31 | nils | dc_: :) Do important things first ;) Now choose yourself what important is :)) Ah, filemanager... I just had a first look and asked myself: Why is it that slow? And how could we speed this up? |
20:58:56 | dc_ | nils: :) |
20:59:07 | dc_ | nils: indeed. I will start work on some optimisations. |
21:00:05 | nils | But what is it? Is it the icon rendering? |
21:00:20 | __moray | hopefully I'll have some time next week to work on things btw - I go to Cambridge tomorrow, and my computer will arrive on Sunday... |
21:00:30 | dc_ | nils: yes |
21:00:36 | dc_ | nils: I'm pretty sure. |
21:00:48 | dc_ | __moray: :) |
21:00:58 | dc_ | nils: and some bad startup code. |
21:01:18 | __moray | I *think* I will have a connection to the university network in my room :) |
21:01:36 | nils | dc_: :) If it is the icon rendering then IMHO appmgr suffers from the same problem. A resize or startup takes a LONG time... |
21:01:39 | dc_ | __moray: cool, what speed will that be ;)? |
21:01:52 | dc_ | nils: yep |
21:02:11 | __moray | dc_: well, 10BaseT, though I obviously you're not supposed to generate too much traffic... |
21:02:15 | dc_ | nils: maby I can work out some small speed things... |
21:02:31 | dc_ | __moray: hehe. |
21:07:00 | dc_ | :] |
21:36:19 | dc_ | argf |
21:36:59 | PaxAnima | I completely agree.. |
21:37:00 | PaxAnima | ;) |
21:37:33 | nils | Oh of course ... but what can we do about it? |
21:38:34 | dc_ | my browser seems to think I've move to germany... |
21:38:37 | dc_ | bah. |
21:38:45 | PaxAnima | oh? |
21:38:46 | dc_ | kicks de.google.com |
21:38:47 | dc_ | heh |
21:51:18 | PaxAnima | a general linux app question: does anyone have a sound editor to recommend? |
21:51:42 | nils | I suspect you want to "edit" PCM samples? |
21:52:28 | PaxAnima | record, from something other than /dev/dsp (which is a problem for the standard kde and gnome apps) |
21:53:31 | nils | Hmm? What else is there to record from? Where is the problem you see? Maybe conflict with esd? |
21:53:42 | PaxAnima | I don't use esd... |
21:53:57 | PaxAnima | I have 2 soundcards, and I want to record from /dev/dsp3 |
21:55:50 | nils | Ah, I see. Would simple commandline tools do? Then you could use vrec... |
21:56:03 | PaxAnima | vrec? |
21:57:02 | nils | Yes, vplay/vrec. In some really old snd-kit package. Very simple cmd-line tools. |
21:58:19 | dc_ | PaxAnima: how about audacity..? |
21:58:51 | dc_ | it's quite a cool sound recorder and editor. |
21:59:27 | pigeon | What about sweep? :) |
22:00:35 | PaxAnima | pigeon: is it any good? |
22:01:08 | pigeon | sweep.sf.net |
22:02:36 | pigeon | PaxAnima: It's awesome. |
22:03:33 | PaxAnima | pigeon: maybe I'll give it a try |
22:06:12 | pigeon | Try those plugins too. |
22:06:39 | pigeon | I couldn't remember whether what and how many plugins are included in the sweep itself. |
22:07:41 | pigeon | s/whether// |
22:07:44 | PaxAnima | all I want to do is to record from the line in of my second soundcard, not save the world.. |
22:13:22 | dc_ | oh? |
22:13:28 | dc_ | that's a pitty |
22:15:25 | PaxAnima | nah.. |
22:16:18 | PaxAnima | yay!! hacked up "mpegrec" to take -d "device" as an argument ;) |
22:17:19 | dc_ | ooh, cool :] |
22:18:51 | PaxAnima | that's the nice thing with open source, and you know your C ;) |
22:19:13 | dc_ | indeed it is. |
22:27:09 | pigeon | PaxAnima: Oh heh, sweep is probably too much for you then :P |
22:27:38 | PaxAnima | yeah ;) |
22:29:38 | PaxAnima | now I have what I always wanted: an app that can record to mp3, without fuzz, from a terminal ;) |
22:36:24 | dc_ | cool |
22:36:25 | dc_ | htm |
22:36:26 | dc_ | hrm |
22:36:38 | dc_ | nils: think you can help with with a GtkCombo..? |
22:36:58 | PaxAnima | (I make music, every once and a while, on my synth) |
22:37:31 | nils | dc_: Oh oh ... what's your problem? |
22:38:00 | dc_ | nils: well, I'm not sure how to get a signal when the user selects something from the dropdown list. |
22:39:00 | nils | dc_: Ah yes, that's not trivial ;) Have you already looked into the Glade FAQ? It has some nice tips for this kiind of problems. |
22:55:18 | nils | dc_: OK, you have to connect the "changed" signal of the entry to a callback. |
22:56:52 | dc_ | nils: yes. |
22:56:56 | dc_ | nils: I see.. |
22:57:20 | dc_ | nils: but now...is there a way I can stop the entry emmiting a changed when I do set_text? |
22:58:32 | nils | Hmm, good question. No idea, sorry. Maybe set the widget inactive first? |
22:58:40 | dc_ | hummmm |
22:58:41 | PaxAnima | dc_: yes... |
22:59:32 | PaxAnima | dc_: gtk_signal_handler_block(), and its relatives |
22:59:52 | dc_ | that doesn't seem to be working.... |
22:59:58 | dc_ | gtk_signal_handler_block_by_func (GTK_COMBO (combo)->entry, GTK_SIGNAL_FUNC (goto_directory), combo); |
22:59:59 | dc_ | gtk_entry_set_text (GTK_ENTRY (GTK_COMBO (combo)->entry), current_directory); |
22:59:59 | dc_ | gtk_signal_handler_unblock_by_func (GTK_COMBO (combo)->entry, GTK_SIGNAL_FUNC (goto_directory), combo); |
23:01:14 | PaxAnima | dc_: it's safer to store the connection id when you connect to the signal, and use gtk_signal_handler_block(( |
23:04:10 | PaxAnima | heh |
23:10:11 | PaxAnima | nils: trouble with your connection? |
23:12:39 | nils | PaxAnima: Seems so :(( |
23:12:50 | dc_ | hum |
23:12:52 | dc_ | I give up |
23:12:55 | dc_ | need some sleep |
23:13:03 | dc_ | talk tomorrow. |
23:13:04 | dc_ | :) |