irclog2html for gpe on 2002.09.27

04:33:22mibushowdy
04:45:56mibushey colin_werk
04:48:07colin_werkHi mibus
04:49:49mibusanything interesting happening?
04:54:45colin_werkI *think* upgrading gpe-apps should pull packages so that yuo get a login background screen.
04:55:14colin_werkAnd mccarthy worked on gpe-calendar etc. so that alarm should work
05:00:53mibuslogin background screen?
05:01:10mibusi hope its not using the -t or -i or whatever from gpe-ownerinfo cos it doesnt work on matchbox...
05:02:57colin_werkNo, just for the login, when matchbox isn't running yet
05:03:03mibusoh yeah
05:03:04mibus*duh*
05:03:16colin_werkIt is using -t though :)
05:03:46colin_werkFor the locking function, I'll have to try it (it's not in there)
05:16:45mibuscant install gpe-apps 'cos gpe-memo isnt available
05:18:42mibusi did force-depends upgrade gpe-apps and theres no difference...
05:18:57mibusi didnt reboot tho, not that that should affect it...
05:19:08colin_werkHell.
05:20:30colin_werkmibus: Can you please fix that for me? go to ./tasks/gpe-apps/, edit control and take out gpe-memo from the Depends list, bump up the version number, then do "fakeroot make" and upload the new package?
05:20:50mibuscolin_werk: cant u?
05:21:41colin_werkmibus: No :/ I'm at work, no acces, and I'll leave for my parents right after work
05:21:54mibusah
05:22:11mibusgimme a few mins...
05:22:20colin_werkI was sure that gpe-memo was in unstable now...
05:22:40mibus~ # ipkg install gpe-memo
05:22:41mibusMultiple providers (0). Not defaulting providers automatically.Please request one of the above providing packages by name.Cannot find package gpe-memo.
05:22:41mibusCheck the spelling or perhaps run `ipkg update'
05:22:52colin_werkAh, no, I added gaxer's feed :/
05:23:03colin_werkgazer's.
05:25:16mibusgpe-memo isnt in the control file anyway...
05:34:13colin_werkUhm.
05:35:09colin_werkArgh. I didn't check it in....
05:36:02colin_werkNext try: can you add gpe-setbg and gpe-conf to the Depends:, make the version 0.11, cvs commit it, and upload the package?
05:40:15mibusthe last version was .09...
05:40:22mibusany other changes??
05:45:07colin_werkNo. I released a 0.10, but didn't check it in.
05:48:17mibusah ok
05:48:29mibuswhy release then? or did it only have gpe-conf added?
05:49:00colin_werkI added gpe-memo by mistake, so you get the breakage you saw
05:49:11mibusoh 0.10 is in the feed, of course
05:49:15mibuswhacks his head
05:49:26colin_werkgpe-setbg, gpe-conf and gpe-memo, the latter is bad
05:49:32mibustag the commit?
05:50:08colin_werkI didn't. But I find it nice. If only I could remember to do it always... :)
05:50:42colin_werkipkg-upload should write out a message to tag CVS :)
05:50:49mibusheh
05:50:54mibusipkg-upload???/
05:51:11colin_werkDon't tell me you do it all by hand!
05:51:15colin_werk:)
05:51:41mibustagged gpe-apps-0-11
05:51:44colin_werkIt calls gpg for you and uploads the package, and writes out a log. Quite nice.
05:51:46mibusyes
05:51:48mibuscool
05:52:08colin_werkIt's in ipkg CVS, among ipkg-build etc.
05:53:21mibusah ok
05:53:25mibusill have to get it
05:57:23mibusipkg-upload is too fast for my liking...
05:57:29mibusthe uploading stage finished instantly...
06:02:09mibusi ran it but im not sure it uploaded it...
06:08:37colin_werkAh. I guess you have an old curl, happened to me too
06:09:40mibusits whats in debian/woody, gah
06:10:01colin_werkHmm.
06:10:13colin_werkIt should be made more robust...
06:11:10mibusyeah it should
06:11:15mibusdoes a manual upload
06:41:44colin_werkmibus: Thanks very much.
06:45:10cmartincolin_werk: first off - Hi!
06:46:36cmartincolin_werk: I'm new to gpe. And I would like to know how I can change the font on the keyboard, in the applet pop-ups and in the terminal. Can you give me a hint?
06:47:15colin_werkHi cmartin
06:48:09colin_werkxkbd... it's defined in the layout file, /usr/share/xkbd/. You could copy one to ~/.kbdconfig and edit that
06:48:29colin_werkNo idea for the applet popups, you need to ask mallum about that
06:48:58colin_werkterminal... Hmm. I guess it's in the menu file.
06:49:13cmartinwhat about Xdefaults?
06:50:03mibuscolin_werk: no worries
06:50:04mibusciao all
06:50:46colin_werkmibus: bye
06:50:48mibuscolin_werk: terminal font defaults to 7pt IIRC, but you can change the 'command=' line of gpe-terminal to one of the rxvt command= if you want a diff't size
06:51:04colin_werkRight. http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/file.phtml?package=http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/gpe-terminal_0.0.1_arm.ipk&filename=./usr/lib/menu/gpe-terminal
06:51:38colin_werkI guess no app we have reads ~/.Xdefaults. ~/.gtkrc for gtk apps
06:52:12cmartino.k. that explains my failures ;-)
06:54:07cmartinanother dumb question: how did you get the background and user info into the login screen (screenshots from gpe)
06:54:41cmartinI set backgound and user info but that doesn't show up in the login screen.
06:56:17cmartinterminal font set ;-) thanx
06:57:17colin_werkcmartin: upgrade gpe-apps, and it should work
06:57:34colin_werkThat should pull a new gpe-session-scripts and gpe-setbg
06:57:39cmartindon't you think the terminal should default to something other than mono-7.5? I can't read anything with this setting.
06:58:06colin_werkcmartin: Seems you didn't install the MS fonts...
06:58:23cmartinwhich MS fonts?
06:58:56cmartinis there a package or do I have to install TTFs manually
06:59:52cmartinwhen I do a ipkg upgrade I'm told everything is up to date.
07:00:41colin_werkArgh.
07:00:46colin_werkhttp://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=familiar-postinst&official=&format=
07:00:56colin_werkcmartin: Install that
07:12:54jsmanriquehi!
07:13:28cmartinI'll do tha later - thankx - I just fried my system. :( I have a nvrd and just booted from the serial console which ignores my params file. bye bye nvrd
07:17:28jsmanriqueseeing .NET Compact Framework, I would like to know if there is any similar project under Familiar distro for Mono::
07:17:49jsmanriqueseeing .NET Compact Framework, I would like to know if there is any similar project under Familiar distro for Mono::
07:22:02jsmanriqueok
07:22:13jsmanriquenone here..
07:22:24jsmanriquesee you later
07:28:35mallumhey pb_
07:28:46mallumcmarqu: Im fixing up xkbd now
07:29:15mallumcmarqu: I could really do with some help if you have any spare time .... ;)
07:30:45colin_werkmallum: In principle, I'd love to help, but not this weekend :)
07:31:01colin_werkLeaving for my parents soon
07:31:28colin_werkmallum: will you make AltGr+Shift work?
07:31:40pb_hi mallum
07:32:07pb_what are you doing to xkbd?
07:32:37colin_werkNaming "standard" to "uk" I guess :)
07:32:48pb_Aha :-)
07:34:37colin_werkwonders if there are localised fitaly layouts
07:34:56mallumcolin_werk: AltGr+Shift would be incredably difficult
07:35:15mallumcolin_werk: seriously X keyboard workings mely your brain
07:35:35mallumcolin_werk: but I've now got multiple layouts working so that should help you
07:39:51pb_mallum: what makes altgr+shift hard to implement?
07:42:50colin_werkmallum: How multiple layouts?
07:43:16colin_werkmallum: And can I make "s" --> "sch" when I slide left, e.g.?
07:44:30mallumcolin_werk: what send 3 chars ?
07:44:49mallumcolin_werk: grab CVS and you'll see multiple layouts
07:45:25mallumpb_: basically becuase of the way xkbd is written , adding an extra state means a lots of patching :(
07:46:16colin_werkmallum: yes, go from one key to multiple chars
07:46:24colin_werkCool feature: http://fitaly.com/board/palmforum/posts/1731.html
07:46:25pb_mallum: oh, I see. :-(
07:48:19colin_werkmallum: Can we have slides like north-east too?
07:53:21mallumcolin_werk: not currenltly, but it would not be hard to add
07:54:14colin_werkmallum: Looks like it would be a useful addition for non-7-bit users
07:54:42mallumcolin_werk: well maybe one of them will patch it to do so ;)
07:57:18colin_werkGnarg.
07:57:51colin_werkI cannot even compile xkbd because of autotools issues :/
08:00:19mallumcolin_werk: damn autotools :(
08:01:11colin_werkYeah...
08:02:07mallumcolin_werk: what distro you using ?
08:09:07colin_werkmallum: Debian, unstable, but not all is fully up-to-date. Will try again next week.
08:09:20colin_werk--> lunch
08:13:12mallumcolin_werk: an update will prolly fix things
09:06:12colin_werkOkay.
09:50:23colin_werkHave fun guys, I'm off for the weekend.
10:58:48jsmanriquehello
10:59:10jsmanriquejust a visit before leaving the office
11:01:41jsmanriqueanyone working in mono:: port to Familiar?
11:01:44jsmanriquewouldn't it be nice having a free alternative to .NET Compact Framework?
11:03:13pb_What would be the benefits for GPE?
11:04:40jsmanriquewhat would be for WindowsCE?
11:04:59jsmanriqueI've seen a website with some slides talking about it...
11:05:04jsmanriquelet me search it:
11:05:40jsmanriquehttp://www.develop.com/compactframework/vslive.aspx
11:07:01PaxAnima.NET is a useless hyped thingie (until something uses it for something usefull), IMHO
11:08:53jsmanriqueif it useless, why every linux congress I go, there are tons of people talking about how marvellous mono:: is
11:10:15jsmanriqueI suppose most of you know what mono:: is...
11:10:26jsmanriquehttp://www.go-mono.org
11:11:07PaxAnimaI haven't looked at .NET things at all, so I guess I can't say much usefull on the subject...
11:11:43jsmanriqueread pages in www.go-mono.org site...
11:12:51jsmanriqueit seems to be interesting having a least runtime compiled for ipaq.. maybe. So same code could work in a lot of machines... I don't know, but sure I have to read more about it
11:13:31PaxAnimabut doesn't mono require a lot of ugly GNOME stuff as well?
11:13:49jsmanriquenice to begin in: http://www.go-mono.org/faq.html
11:14:53jsmanriqueHow is Mono related to GNOME?
11:14:53jsmanriqueIn a number of ways. This project was born out of the need of providing improved tools for the GNOME community, and will use existing components that have been developed for GNOME when they are available. For example, we plan to use Gtk+ and Libart to implement Winforms and the Drawing2D API and are considering GObject support.
11:17:13mallumjsmanrique: the ultimate problem with mono will be speed on a platform like the ipaq when compared to c
11:29:52jsmanriquemallum : that's clear...
11:30:24jsmanriquemallum : but could anybody explain me why is it good for M$ and Ximiam?
11:31:20jsmanriqueof course, this is a mad idea from me...
11:31:57jsmanriquebut it could be possible having the same .NET infrastructure, as opensource
11:34:49jsmanriquesorry
11:34:59jsmanriquebut I have to go home for lunch
11:35:03jsmanriquesee you later
11:55:42tbochi
11:57:12mallumhello tboc
11:59:14tboci wondered if i could use x w/ gtk instead of qtopia on my zaurus so i thought it'd be a good idea to stay a while =)
12:03:39mallumtboc: theres no reason why not, but I dont think anyone has yet done a decent job porting and pacakging things like X etc for the zaruas as yet
12:04:25tbocmallum: i just found a project which released a jffs2-image with X11 and matchbox for the Z
12:05:18mallumtboc: do you have a URL ?
12:05:53tbocmom
12:06:01tbochttp://people.debian.org/~mdz/zaurus/
12:06:11tboc"After teaching mkfs.jffs2 about hardlinks, and trimming down more installed packages, I now have a jffs2 image which includes X, matchbox and xvt."
12:06:18tbocsounds nice
12:09:48mallumtboc: oh yeah I heard about this guy
12:09:59tboc?
12:10:02mallumtboc: he's progressed since I last checked his page
12:10:07tbocic
12:10:09mallumtboc: why not give it a go ?
12:10:14tbochmm...
12:10:30tboci just wanted to know if there's some good PIM software available etc.
12:13:15tbocbut i think i'll try it even if there wasn't *g*
12:13:42tbocsomehow i just don't like qtopia that much
12:15:22mallumno, nor do most people here ;)
12:15:47tboc=)
12:16:40tbocjust doesn't "feel" like real linux ;)
12:17:02mallumyes indeed
12:18:23tbocoh sorry, have to leave for a while ... bbs
12:30:47gazerlooks in.
13:15:08tbocre
14:23:53PaxAnimaquiet here to today..
14:51:31mallumgtk2 backtraces are rediculous
14:51:45mallumbegins to hate gtk2 as much as gtk1.2
15:05:15PaxAnimahi, mccarthy
15:05:29mccarthyPaxAnima: hello
15:05:39mccarthyPaxAnima: what is your calendar app?
15:06:06PaxAnimabad
15:06:53mccarthy:d
15:07:05PaxAnimathe calendar is the first app I did, and it really sucks, codewise/designwise/fill-in-your-wise-here
15:07:51PaxAnimaI'm rather happy with the other apps in my PIM suite
15:12:33PaxAnimait's mainly update-repeating-events that's holding me back now (and I have the solution to it, but havne't had the time, and the interest has kinda gone away after fidling with it for weeks)
15:25:28jsmanriquehi!
15:25:35jsmanriqueanything new here?
15:26:25mccarthyipaq-sleep now sleeps for any user and gpe-calendar now uses atd
15:27:08jsmanriqueatd?
15:27:32mccarthyyep
15:27:52jsmanriquewhat is atd?
15:28:17mccarthythe at daemon
15:28:25jsmanrique:(
15:28:38jsmanriquewhat is at daemon? what does it do?
15:28:41mccarthyalarm scheduling
15:28:47jsmanriqueok
20:28:26dc_evening
20:28:29PaxAnimaevening
20:30:22dc_PaxAnima: how's it going?
20:31:05PaxAnimawell, stuck on my PIM (repeating events is cumbersome), and psCalc and norwegian layout for xkbd is in the unstable feed
20:32:22dc_ah, cool...
20:33:14PaxAnimaso what are you hacking these days?
20:33:21tbocbtw. anyone using gpe on the zaurus? i thought about switching from qtopia
20:33:29dc_gpe-filemanager...
20:33:33dc_gpe-gallery..
20:33:36dc_and school :[
20:33:56dc_PaxAnima: ya seen gpe-filemanager yet?
20:34:11PaxAnimano, haven't tried it yet
20:34:21dc_ah well if you get some time.
20:34:39dc_it's got mime type support and looks quite cool with te alpha icons etc...
20:34:51dc_just working on some more useability improvments.
20:41:26PaxAnimaok
20:41:56PaxAnimahave to reboot to install my old sb live card...
20:44:53dc_nils: hey
20:45:35nilsHi! I am now in Oldenburg and will hopefully be online until Sunday afternoon. I intend to do some GPE work here...
20:52:08dc_yay
20:52:09dc_sheers
20:52:13dc_cheers
20:52:28dc_nils: what's on the agenda?
20:54:09nilsdc_: All and nothin' ;) First off of course the alarm thing. I wanted to have a closer look at atd and uschedule.
20:54:43nilsdc_: Second is reviewing and updating the WWW pages... I got word that they are somewhat outdated.
20:55:13nilsdc_: And then... let's see what comes across me on the way ;)
20:56:09dc_nils: cool..
20:56:24dc_well I need to catch up on gpe--filemanager, once I finish my homework...
20:58:31nilsdc_: :) Do important things first ;) Now choose yourself what important is :)) Ah, filemanager... I just had a first look and asked myself: Why is it that slow? And how could we speed this up?
20:58:56dc_nils: :)
20:59:07dc_nils: indeed. I will start work on some optimisations.
21:00:05nilsBut what is it? Is it the icon rendering?
21:00:20__morayhopefully I'll have some time next week to work on things btw - I go to Cambridge tomorrow, and my computer will arrive on Sunday...
21:00:30dc_nils: yes
21:00:36dc_nils: I'm pretty sure.
21:00:48dc___moray: :)
21:00:58dc_nils: and some bad startup code.
21:01:18__morayI *think* I will have a connection to the university network in my room :)
21:01:36nilsdc_: :) If it is the icon rendering then IMHO appmgr suffers from the same problem. A resize or startup takes a LONG time...
21:01:39dc___moray: cool, what speed will that be ;)?
21:01:52dc_nils: yep
21:02:11__moraydc_: well, 10BaseT, though I obviously you're not supposed to generate too much traffic...
21:02:15dc_nils: maby I can work out some small speed things...
21:02:31dc___moray: hehe.
21:07:00dc_:]
21:36:19dc_argf
21:36:59PaxAnimaI completely agree..
21:37:00PaxAnima;)
21:37:33nilsOh of course ... but what can we do about it?
21:38:34dc_my browser seems to think I've move to germany...
21:38:37dc_bah.
21:38:45PaxAnimaoh?
21:38:46dc_kicks de.google.com
21:38:47dc_heh
21:51:18PaxAnimaa general linux app question: does anyone have a sound editor to recommend?
21:51:42nilsI suspect you want to "edit" PCM samples?
21:52:28PaxAnimarecord, from something other than /dev/dsp (which is a problem for the standard kde and gnome apps)
21:53:31nilsHmm? What else is there to record from? Where is the problem you see? Maybe conflict with esd?
21:53:42PaxAnimaI don't use esd...
21:53:57PaxAnimaI have 2 soundcards, and I want to record from /dev/dsp3
21:55:50nilsAh, I see. Would simple commandline tools do? Then you could use vrec...
21:56:03PaxAnimavrec?
21:57:02nilsYes, vplay/vrec. In some really old snd-kit package. Very simple cmd-line tools.
21:58:19dc_PaxAnima: how about audacity..?
21:58:51dc_it's quite a cool sound recorder and editor.
21:59:27pigeonWhat about sweep? :)
22:00:35PaxAnimapigeon: is it any good?
22:01:08pigeonsweep.sf.net
22:02:36pigeonPaxAnima: It's awesome.
22:03:33PaxAnimapigeon: maybe I'll give it a try
22:06:12pigeonTry those plugins too.
22:06:39pigeonI couldn't remember whether what and how many plugins are included in the sweep itself.
22:07:41pigeons/whether//
22:07:44PaxAnimaall I want to do is to record from the line in of my second soundcard, not save the world..
22:13:22dc_oh?
22:13:28dc_that's a pitty
22:15:25PaxAnimanah..
22:16:18PaxAnimayay!! hacked up "mpegrec" to take -d "device" as an argument ;)
22:17:19dc_ooh, cool :]
22:18:51PaxAnimathat's the nice thing with open source, and you know your C ;)
22:19:13dc_indeed it is.
22:27:09pigeonPaxAnima: Oh heh, sweep is probably too much for you then :P
22:27:38PaxAnimayeah ;)
22:29:38PaxAnimanow I have what I always wanted: an app that can record to mp3, without fuzz, from a terminal ;)
22:36:24dc_cool
22:36:25dc_htm
22:36:26dc_hrm
22:36:38dc_nils: think you can help with with a GtkCombo..?
22:36:58PaxAnima(I make music, every once and a while, on my synth)
22:37:31nilsdc_: Oh oh ... what's your problem?
22:38:00dc_nils: well, I'm not sure how to get a signal when the user selects something from the dropdown list.
22:39:00nilsdc_: Ah yes, that's not trivial ;) Have you already looked into the Glade FAQ? It has some nice tips for this kiind of problems.
22:55:18nilsdc_: OK, you have to connect the "changed" signal of the entry to a callback.
22:56:52dc_nils: yes.
22:56:56dc_nils: I see..
22:57:20dc_nils: but now...is there a way I can stop the entry emmiting a changed when I do set_text?
22:58:32nilsHmm, good question. No idea, sorry. Maybe set the widget inactive first?
22:58:40dc_hummmm
22:58:41PaxAnimadc_: yes...
22:59:32PaxAnimadc_:  gtk_signal_handler_block(), and its relatives
22:59:52dc_that doesn't seem to be working....
22:59:58dc_    gtk_signal_handler_block_by_func (GTK_COMBO (combo)->entry, GTK_SIGNAL_FUNC (goto_directory), combo);
22:59:59dc_      gtk_entry_set_text (GTK_ENTRY (GTK_COMBO (combo)->entry), current_directory);
22:59:59dc_  gtk_signal_handler_unblock_by_func (GTK_COMBO (combo)->entry, GTK_SIGNAL_FUNC (goto_directory), combo);
23:01:14PaxAnimadc_: it's safer to store the connection id when you connect to the signal, and use gtk_signal_handler_block((
23:04:10PaxAnimaheh
23:10:11PaxAnimanils: trouble with your connection?
23:12:39nilsPaxAnima: Seems so :((
23:12:50dc_hum
23:12:52dc_I give up
23:12:55dc_need some sleep
23:13:03dc_talk tomorrow.
23:13:04dc_:)

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