| 07:05:16 | mod | hello |
| 07:07:05 | mod | howto install gpe and everything it i have flashed bootstrap image on my ipaq and want now everything what has gpe |
| 08:00:19 | jsmanrique | hello |
| 09:05:11 | PaxAnima | ello |
| 09:31:51 | colin_werk | I know where your aunt lives! |
| 09:36:21 | PaxAnima | oh no! |
| 09:36:22 | PaxAnima | ;) |
| 09:42:19 | PaxAnima | pb_: alive? |
| 09:46:55 | colin_werk | PaxAnima: Do you know a lightweight image viewer that uses gdk-pixbuf? I found http://imagic.weizmann.ac.il/~dov/freesw/gtk/gtk-image-viewer/ which could be useful for other stuff, but is still a bit overkill for what we want to do (namely, setting the background of the root window) |
| 09:50:25 | PaxAnima | colin_werk: never tried gdk-pixbuf, so I can't help you there... I've done a simple imageviewer for my image lib once, but that was just using a char buffer and a gdk_draw_rgb_image() call |
| 09:52:01 | colin_werk | Okay, thanks. We thought of just using qiv for setting the background since the binary is only ~30k, but then, it uses imlib... guess we'll take a custom solution then. |
| 09:52:28 | PaxAnima | all that for setting a background? |
| 09:55:36 | colin_werk | Not "all that", but I guess GPE will want an image viewer anyway, so why not use it? If the user is not restricted to a single image format the better. If the image viewer is not installed, show a default image or just a solid background color for the people low on memory. |
| 09:56:35 | colin_werk | An image viewer on handhelds should pan with just a pen drag, so it's already kinda special. |
| 09:57:20 | colin_werk | GktImageViewer seems to be able to do it, and it even exists in a GTK2 version. |
| 09:57:42 | colin_werk | Plus it gives easy and efficient zooming... |
| 09:58:01 | PaxAnima | yes... tried to compile the viewerwidget on my PC, with no luck |
| 09:58:49 | colin_werk | Oh. Hmm. |
| 09:59:15 | PaxAnima | some libtool error.. |
| 09:59:49 | colin_werk | Oh dear. |
| 10:00:20 | colin_werk | I'll try it this evening. |
| 10:01:30 | PaxAnima | gtk2 version did compile |
| 10:04:27 | colin_werk | Good. |
| 10:06:49 | PaxAnima | doing an imageviewer with that widget seems to be really easy: gtk_image_viewer_set_file( widget, filename) ;) |
| 10:07:24 | colin_werk | :) |
| 10:08:09 | PaxAnima | or gtk_image_viewer_set_image() for a GdkPixbuf |
| 10:08:25 | colin_werk | How big is the binary (stripped)? |
| 10:10:01 | PaxAnima | the .so is 31k stripped (181k unstripped) |
| 10:10:08 | PaxAnima | 188k |
| 10:12:48 | colin_werk | Considering that almost nothing else is required, its' quite good I'd say. |
| 10:14:03 | PaxAnima | it depends on gdk-pixbuf and imlimb? |
| 10:14:19 | colin_werk | imlib too? |
| 10:14:24 | PaxAnima | dunno |
| 10:14:27 | colin_werk | I'd hope not! |
| 10:14:38 | colin_werk | What does ldd say? |
| 10:15:05 | colin_werk | GPE uses gdb-pixbuf in some places already, so that's fine |
| 10:15:20 | PaxAnima | ok.. ldd didn't give me anything usefull |
| 10:16:25 | colin_werk | I'm pretty sure it's not using imlib. What would be the reason to... |
| 10:16:51 | PaxAnima | don't know... I've never tried gdk-pixbuf, so I don't know what it's capable of |
| 10:18:18 | PaxAnima | hmm.. I see it has image loading |
| 10:18:25 | PaxAnima | (looking at the API doc) |
| 10:21:37 | colin_werk | PaxAnima: http://developer.gnome.org/doc/books/WGA/graphics-gdk-pixbuf.html |
| 10:23:37 | PaxAnima | thanks |
| 10:24:29 | colin_werk | Didn't read it myself yet, but it has a good example. |
| 10:30:21 | PaxAnima | yes.. |
| 10:30:37 | PaxAnima | but gdk-pixbuf is just image loading, as far as I can tell |
| 10:38:19 | mallum | h e l l o |
| 10:38:59 | PaxAnima | hel lo |
| 10:45:25 | pb_ | PaxAnima: hi |
| 10:45:31 | pb_ | yo mallum |
| 10:45:56 | pb_ | gdk-pixbuf does image loading, scaling, compositing, all that kind of stuff. |
| 10:46:07 | PaxAnima | pb_: the calc thing is almost done.. some minor usability stuff remaining |
| 10:46:35 | PaxAnima | pb_: http://handhelds.org/~paxanima/files/psCalc.gz should be the latest |
| 10:46:38 | pb_ | colin_werk: apropos an image viewer, maybe a good idea to talk to dc_, find out what his plans are for gpe-gallery. |
| 10:46:53 | pb_ | PaxAnima: ok. |
| 10:46:59 | pb_ | PaxAnima: want to check the source code into CVS? |
| 10:47:09 | colin_werk | pb_: Yeah, I wanted to point dc to it. |
| 10:48:49 | PaxAnima | pb_[lunch]: I will, once it's done |
| 10:49:06 | PaxAnima | need some info on what is needed to make it gpe-ish |
| 11:03:26 | mccarthy | pb_[lunch]: eating here?! |
| 11:04:48 | mallum | pb_[lunch]: #define alpha_composite(composite, fg, alpha, bg) { \ |
| 11:04:48 | mallum | ush temp = ((ush)(fg)*(ush)(alpha) + \ |
| 11:04:48 | mallum | (ush)(bg)*(ush)(255 - (ush)(alpha)) + (ush)128); \ |
| 11:04:48 | mallum | (composite) = (uch)((temp + (temp >> 8)) >> 8); \ |
| 11:04:48 | mallum | } |
| 12:04:22 | colin_werk | BBL |
| 12:22:41 | mccarthy | pb_[lunch]: did you ever write a conversion code for old todo schema to new? |
| 12:35:14 | pb_ | mccarthy: no. |
| 12:35:39 | pb_ | mallum: um? |
| 12:38:31 | mccarthy | pb_: does the gpe_error_box know what is an *error* and what is an info statement? |
| 12:39:31 | mallum | pb_: its a macro from png.h for compositing the alpha on 2 images |
| 12:39:58 | mccarthy | pb_: I cannot come up with a good way to implement "versioning" when there are two schemas floating around with no versioning in them.... |
| 12:41:05 | pb_ | mccarthy: no, gpe_error_box just displays what you tell it. |
| 12:41:25 | pb_ | mallum: I guessed that, but why are you showing it to me? |
| 12:42:29 | mallum | pb_: no one else to show it too :( |
| 12:43:17 | pb_ | ha. |
| 12:45:04 | mallum | pb_: also I knew you were doing that in gpe-widget ? and I thought the about macro could/may/not be better |
| 12:47:25 | pb_ | mallum: libgpewidget doesn't atually composite the alphas channel. |
| 12:48:18 | mallum | pb_: ah, what does it do then ? |
| 12:48:35 | pb_ | mallum: just takes the alpha from the "foreground" image directly, from what I remember. |
| 12:49:06 | pb_ | mallum: the code in libgpewidget is intended for compositing a pixbuf onto a solid background, rather than another arbitrary pixbuf. |
| 12:50:20 | mallum | pb_: ok |
| 12:51:24 | pb_ | mallum: still, thanks for sharing :-) |
| 13:27:06 | mccarthy | pb_: HA! Fixed it.... |
| 13:27:32 | mccarthy | pb_: now do *not* go changing any schemas without changing the schema version number and making a nice upgrade path! ;) |
| 13:31:53 | cmarqu | thinks: hash over the key names... |
| 13:31:55 | cmarqu | :) |
| 13:32:00 | cmarqu | Hi mccarthy |
| 13:33:57 | cosentino | hello |
| 13:34:04 | cosentino | where can i find animail? |
| 13:34:13 | cmarqu | Hi |
| 13:34:24 | cmarqu | animail.sf.net? Why do you ask? |
| 13:34:35 | cosentino | for ipaq? |
| 13:35:04 | cosentino | cmarqu: is there no ipk for ipaq? |
| 13:35:07 | cmarqu | It's python I think, so no compile necessary |
| 13:35:19 | cmarqu | No ipk I think, no. |
| 13:36:20 | cosentino | cmarqu: ok i check that thamnks |
| 13:36:34 | cosentino | s/thamnks/thanks |
| 13:36:43 | cmarqu | :) sure, np |
| 13:37:10 | mccarthy | cmarqu: :p |
| 13:37:50 | cmarqu | mccarthy: Did you try the new GPE killer app yet? gpe-ownerinfo 0.04? |
| 13:38:12 | mccarthy | cmarqu: nopr |
| 13:38:19 | mccarthy | nopr=nope |
| 13:38:37 | cmarqu | Hell. |
| 13:44:15 | mccarthy | cmarqu: what does it do? |
| 13:45:12 | mccarthy | pb_: I am going to release a new gpe-todo so I can actually start using it again...OK? |
| 13:45:43 | cmarqu | mccarthy: see http://handhelds.org/scap/port.23002.png, the lower part. The text you cannot read there is owner name, email, phone and address. The actual 0.04 package doesn't have this transparency. |
| 13:46:05 | cmarqu | mccarthy: you can click on the photo and get it bigger |
| 13:46:27 | mccarthy | cmarqu: I thought you didnt code? |
| 13:46:53 | cmarqu | mccarthy: Well, I'm trying. It takes me ages to make the simplest things, of course. |
| 13:47:45 | mccarthy | cmarqu: It takes *me* ages and then the code is so ugly that pb fixes it... but this all fits neatly in to my devious plan to get everything working the way *I* like it :) |
| 13:48:03 | cmarqu | Hehe. Same for me. |
| 13:53:33 | mccarthy | cmarqu: it seems I cannot change the ownerinfo?! |
| 13:54:57 | cmarqu | mccarthy: Does it tell you to use GPE Configuration? Only root can normally change it (since only root has write access to the file), and you need the latest gpe-conf to get the "Owner" item. |
| 13:55:33 | cmarqu | Note that it's Owner info, not User info. |
| 13:55:45 | cmarqu | I guess I should mention the root thing. |
| 13:58:42 | mccarthy | cmarqu: ahhh, root.... got it |
| 13:59:32 | cmarqu | It now says "The user 'root' can use\n\"GPE Configuration\" ('Owner')\nto change this data." |
| 14:01:00 | mccarthy | ok. |
| 14:01:03 | mccarthy | later folks |
| 14:01:10 | cmarqu | Later |
| 14:01:24 | mccarthy | pb_: I am uploading gpe-todo 0.22 (it doesnt break anything, I checked :) |
| 15:03:21 | cmarqu | mccarthy: So, does gpe-ownerinfo work? |
| 15:04:00 | mccarthy | cmarqu: sorry, didnt try it as root :( |
| 15:04:48 | cmarqu | Okay, np. Good that it comes up lat least. |
| 16:02:55 | pb_ | mccarthy: I just entered a recurring event into gpe-calendar for the first time :-) |
| 16:03:16 | pb_ | mccarthy: seems to work well, except that for some strange reason not all instances of the recurring event show up in the year view. |
| 16:06:48 | cmarqu | pb_: If you have a minute (right now), could you look into libgpewidget's init.c? |
| 16:07:11 | pb_ | cmarqu: I'm just about to leave the office, can you hang on 20 minutes or so until I get home? |
| 16:07:18 | cmarqu | The gtk_rc_add_default_file() calls need to come beofre gtk_init(). |
| 16:07:21 | cmarqu | pb_: Sure. |
| 16:07:31 | pb_ | Okay, cool. Back in a bit. |
| 16:34:13 | pb_ | okay. |
| 16:34:15 | pb_ | cmarqu: what was your complaint again? |
| 16:34:57 | cmarqu | The gtk_rc_add_default_file() calls need to come before gtk_init() in init.c |
| 16:35:18 | cmarqu | But there is some loopy dependency unless I'm wrong. |
| 16:40:15 | pb_ | cmarqu: it looks like it should be safe to just move the gtk_rc_add_default_file call up. |
| 16:40:22 | pb_ | cmarqu: did something bad happen when you tried that? |
| 16:41:22 | cmarqu | pb_: There are two calls. The first one is fine, but the 2nd one is inside that if... |
| 16:41:49 | pb_ | cmarqu: right, is that a problem? |
| 16:42:01 | pb_ | cmarqu: can't you move them both? |
| 16:42:28 | cmarqu | Well, it references the home dir, so I wasn't sure if there was a problem with the directory creation or something. |
| 16:42:38 | cmarqu | But yeah, if it's not there yet, it's not there. |
| 16:42:44 | cmarqu | No problem. |
| 16:42:49 | pb_ | I don't think that should be a problem. |
| 16:43:10 | cmarqu | Good. |
| 16:43:28 | cmarqu | So I guess we have a nice lokking dektopt tonight. |
| 16:43:31 | pb_ | Yay. |
| 16:43:54 | cmarqu | Got a nice background for xsetroot, transparent windows. |
| 16:44:16 | cmarqu | I'll ask you to release a new gpe-session-scripts later, okay? |
| 16:44:24 | pb_ | Sure thing. |
| 16:45:24 | cmarqu | I picked the background from the main bg color in the gpe logo. |
| 16:45:43 | cmarqu | It's almost like mallum's new theme, but not quite. |
| 16:46:38 | cmarqu | If we only could request a bold version of a font with styles :/ |
| 16:47:06 | moray | cmarqu: it's easy in GTK2 of course.... |
| 16:47:58 | cmarqu | Yeah, hopefully we'll get it soon :) |
| 16:48:24 | cmarqu | I like the way MacOS X makes use of regular/bold and bigger/smaller. |
| 16:50:21 | cmarqu | Hmm. The colors look totally different when actually on the iPAQ screen... |
| 16:50:52 | dc_ | konbanwa |
| 16:50:52 | cmarqu | dc_: Hey! |
| 16:51:07 | dc_ | hey |
| 16:51:43 | dc_ | cmarqu: what's been up? |
| 16:52:08 | cmarqu | We are getting a nice login screen tonight :) |
| 16:52:18 | dc_ | oh god yes |
| 16:52:27 | dc_ | I guess I still have to make a background image then :] |
| 16:52:49 | cmarqu | dc_: For now, I'm using a single color. But we will need an image later |
| 16:52:59 | dc_ | hai |
| 16:53:07 | cmarqu | dc_: I found a nice widget that you can use for gpe-gallery |
| 16:53:22 | dc_ | oooh |
| 16:53:26 | dc_ | cmarqu: what's it do? |
| 16:54:19 | cmarqu | pan and zoom with gdk-pixbuf |
| 16:54:30 | cmarqu | http://imagic.weizmann.ac.il/~dov/freesw/gtk/gtk-image-viewer/ |
| 16:54:31 | dc_ | great |
| 16:54:42 | dc_ | cmarqu: I'll start work on it tonight |
| 16:54:55 | cmarqu | dc_: Package gpe-nautilus first! |
| 16:55:10 | dc_ | first comes my homework though |
| 16:55:10 | dc_ | :\ |
| 16:55:23 | dc_ | cmarqu: bah. gpe-filemanager :) |
| 16:55:32 | cmarqu | Well, okay :) |
| 16:55:35 | dc_ | cmarqu: I'll upload it to cvs in a sec |
| 16:57:12 | cmarqu | Hell. I can't decide on a nice bg color. |
| 16:57:20 | cmarqu | It looks so different in the ipaq... |
| 16:58:09 | dc_ | hrm |
| 16:58:17 | mccarthy | pb_: whats up with your recurring event? |
| 16:58:37 | cmarqu | Ah , heck. I'll leave it with that baby blue. |
| 16:58:53 | dc_ | good |
| 16:59:28 | cmarqu | dc_: I wanted a color from the gpe logo so that we can later "blend it in" |
| 17:01:06 | dc_ | ahh |
| 17:01:23 | dc_ | thinks we need some quite GPE chrecter |
| 17:01:29 | dc_ | charecter |
| 17:01:34 | dc_ | blah |
| 17:01:39 | dc_ | cute familiar |
| 17:01:39 | cmarqu | Who would'a thought that it has a baby blue background... :) |
| 17:01:51 | cmarqu | dc_: Oh yeah, that would be nice. |
| 17:02:08 | cmarqu | dc_: I liked that animail kitten |
| 17:03:13 | dc_ | whee |
| 17:03:23 | dc_ | that was cute |
| 17:03:33 | dc_ | but we need some vector thing |
| 17:03:38 | dc_ | maby a cute kitten! |
| 17:03:43 | cmarqu | Yeah. |
| 17:03:51 | moray | btw, this may have changed since I last saw a screenshot, but I don't think the filemanager should use the Nautilus icon - given the icon is specific to the name, it seemed a bit confusing |
| 17:03:55 | dc_ | leaping for joy, hehe |
| 17:04:15 | dc_ | moray: sure |
| 17:04:20 | dc_ | moray: I was just using it for the time |
| 17:04:32 | dc_ | need to find a better one |
| 17:04:46 | moray | dc_: yes, though I'm not really sure what's a good one actually... |
| 17:05:13 | dc_ | moray: my problem exactly |
| 17:05:51 | moray | I suppose you could just have whatever the folder icon is until someone thinks of something better? |
| 17:06:10 | dc_ | sure |
| 17:06:24 | dc_ | maby a 3dish gnome one, I'll find one |
| 17:09:01 | pb_ | mccarthy: I made an event that's supposed to recur every Wednesday, but on the year view it isn't shown beyond October sometime. |
| 17:09:26 | pb_ | hi dc_ |
| 17:10:18 | pb_ | cmarqu: yeah, colour rendition sucks on the ipaq. |
| 17:10:41 | cmarqu | pb_: I cannot make it too dark, since the 31xx'ers will complain otherwise. |
| 17:10:47 | dc_ | pb_: hey |
| 17:10:51 | mccarthy | pb_: what about month view, etc.? |
| 17:11:06 | pb_ | cmarqu: you can always make the text white if you want to use a dark image. |
| 17:11:12 | pb_ | mccarthy: month view seems fine. |
| 17:11:26 | mccarthy | pb_: is it Oct. 25th? |
| 17:11:34 | cmarqu | pb_: Hm, that would look too ugly I guess. |
| 17:11:55 | dc_ | pb_: oh, I can get off school for the expo I'm pretty sure :) |
| 17:12:06 | dc_ | pb_: for both days :] |
| 17:12:14 | pb_ | mccarthy: Oct 23 is actually the last recurrence that works; the Oct 30 one is missing. |
| 17:12:34 | pb_ | mccarthy: btw, any idea why the month names are not showing up in the year view any more? |
| 17:12:37 | pb_ | dc_: cool! |
| 17:12:55 | pb_ | dc_: I will have to think about taking some time off work. :-} |
| 17:13:42 | pb_ | cmarqu: on the 3100 everything is ugly |
| 17:14:08 | dc_ | pb_: you will! |
| 17:14:13 | cmarqu | pb_: I mean in general, white text on a dark bg... |
| 17:14:20 | cmarqu | *shudder* :) |
| 17:14:25 | pb_ | ha. |
| 17:14:31 | BBrox | cmarqu: well, I always use white on dark :-) |
| 17:14:43 | mccarthy | pb_: no idea, but I have the same recur problem with year view (and even same date, really, i get Friday 25th as last) |
| 17:14:51 | pb_ | dc_: well, I should think I can get away with it, I had better put a note in my gpe-calendar :-) |
| 17:14:53 | mccarthy | pb_: I dont like the year view anyway :) |
| 17:14:59 | cmarqu | BBrox: We knew you were weird :) |
| 17:14:59 | pb_ | mccarthy: hmm, bizarre. |
| 17:15:05 | dc_ | pb_: :) |
| 17:15:07 | pb_ | mccarthy: me neither |
| 17:17:13 | pb_ | hmm, do we really still have this stupid problem where the backlight goes on whenever the machine comes out of suspend? |
| 17:17:29 | dc_ | pb_: can we get the old year view bac... |
| 17:17:55 | pb_ | ah no, it was just lightd messing with my head. |
| 17:18:03 | pb_ | dc_: yeah, we should. |
| 17:19:02 | pb_ | I wonder if the old year-view code actually still works. |
| 17:20:30 | pb_ | argh, sqlite is fux0red on my cats box. |
| 17:21:10 | pb_ | I installed a new one on my x86, and it upgraded all my databases so now the old libraries (including presumably the one on the ipaq) can't read them. |
| 17:21:49 | mccarthy | pb_: we could always upgrade to the newest sqlite :! |
| 17:21:59 | mccarthy | pb_: we need to break up the ipk anyway.... |
| 17:21:59 | pb_ | mccarthy: great idea, wanna package it? |
| 17:22:03 | pb_ | indeed. |
| 17:22:13 | mccarthy | pb_: if you want to steal "maintainer" status, have at it! |
| 17:22:23 | mccarthy | pb_: not right now.... |
| 17:22:44 | mccarthy | pb_: but since I have given up on nils right now.... I might not have anything else to distract me soon |
| 17:23:09 | pb_ | mccarthy: do you mean you're going to implement alarms without reference to nils? |
| 17:23:30 | pb_ | I had a look at the opie alarm code the other day, btw. Unfortunately it's all qcop based so I doubt we can do anything with it. |
| 17:23:45 | mccarthy | pb_: nope, it means I cannot do alarms until he gets his code unflummoxed |
| 17:23:51 | pb_ | ah. |
| 17:24:05 | pb_ | that's what I was afraid you might mean. :-/ |
| 17:25:53 | dc_ | bbl food |
| 17:31:29 | cmarqu | pb_: I'd say gpe-session-scripts and libgpewidget are ready for a release (didn't bump up version numbers though) |
| 17:31:34 | pb_ | OK. |
| 17:47:10 | pb_ | Right, they're uploaded. |
| 17:48:59 | cmarqu | Whee! |
| 17:49:57 | cmarqu | gpe-ownerinfo_0.04-1 too now. |
| 17:50:33 | pb_ | Excellent. |
| 17:51:55 | pb_ | Hmm, is it easy to write a module for gpe-conf? We could use one to configure gpe-calendar. |
| 17:52:16 | cmarqu | Yes, even I did one. |
| 17:52:27 | cmarqu | Ooopps... noooo, much to hard for me! |
| 17:52:45 | pb_ | :-) |
| 17:56:20 | cmarqu | mccarthy could close http://europa.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=68 if he was here now. |
| 17:56:51 | cmarqu | I closed #31 |
| 17:57:20 | cmarqu | This was the gpe-login colr thing from spung |
| 17:57:29 | pb_ | Okay, cool. |
| 17:59:11 | pb_ | I closed #68 on mccarthy's behalf. |
| 17:59:24 | cmarqu | http://europa.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=33 is old too |
| 18:00:01 | pb_ | As in, it's actually fixed? |
| 18:00:48 | pb_ | I'd rather leave Luc's bugs alone, I don't really know what's going on with sketchbook. |
| 18:01:53 | cmarqu | Ooops, no, this bug is still there. |
| 18:03:10 | cmarqu | I wish bugzilla would show the componment in the list view. |
| 18:03:47 | pb_ | Yes, me too. I guess there must be a way to make it do that. |
| 18:06:04 | cmarqu | I'm fixing that /proc/hal/model thing in gpe-bootsplash now. Do you know if the 3900 also needs to be flipped? |
| 18:07:14 | cmarqu | Hmm. /etc/X11/Xserver doesn't know about 3900's either |
| 18:08:16 | pb_ | No idea about 3900, you'd have to ask jamey. |
| 18:08:52 | cmarqu | He's not there, I'll leave it for now. |
| 18:09:21 | cmarqu | How come you are the gpe-bottsplash guy? Wasn't that mibus? |
| 18:09:43 | cmarqu | Ah, no, I see. |
| 18:09:46 | pb_ | Mibus made the picture, but it was me that wrote the code. |
| 18:10:48 | pb_ | Well, hmm. I've resurrected the old year-view, but it's proving tricky to make it look good. |
| 18:14:20 | cmarqu | This firestarter logo would have better been done in sodipodi. I don't see how we can change the text, short of doing a now one instead on this layer. |
| 18:14:28 | cmarqu | Will have to ask mibus. |
| 18:15:24 | pb_ | Hmph, the transparent option in gpe-login doesn't seem to be working. |
| 18:16:21 | cmarqu | Argh. I put that file into my iPAQ to test it... |
| 18:16:28 | cmarqu | It worked for me. |
| 18:16:45 | pb_ | Oh. |
| 18:18:37 | pb_ | Ah, I think it was just that your default background colour looks rather close to the standard Gtk grey on the ipaq. |
| 18:18:58 | cmarqu | Well, a little bit blueish. |
| 18:19:15 | cmarqu | Not too different, rigth. |
| 18:19:34 | cmarqu | Everything darker made it harder to read though. |
| 18:19:40 | pb_ | Hmm. |
| 18:20:46 | pb_ | Also, the cursor hiding isn't working for me. |
| 18:21:08 | cmarqu | Oh, I didn't test that... |
| 18:21:35 | cmarqu | Must have overlooked how libgpewidget did it then. |
| 18:22:09 | grib | hey gpe folks -- with no devfsd on familiar, any clues how to make devices accessible by normal users? i.e. group-read/write for serial devices etc. |
| 18:22:23 | pb_ | Well, I can't see anything obviously wrong. It might have bit-rotted since that code was used in libgpewidget. |
| 18:22:23 | grib | most familiar people don't have the problem cause they're always root :) |
| 18:22:36 | pb_ | grib: put appropriate chmod commands in your startup scripts. |
| 18:22:42 | pb_ | or chown, chgrp. whatever. |
| 18:23:10 | cmarqu | pb_: Well, it doesn't make things any worse at least. |
| 18:23:31 | pb_ | Indeed. |
| 18:26:47 | cmarqu | The bg color makes the two windows look like just one, which is cool. |
| 18:27:39 | pb_ | Yeah, that's true. |
| 18:29:59 | pb_ | contemplates filling in his tax return |
| 18:30:00 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 18:30:36 | cmarqu | Ugh. That was my plan for this weekend too... |
| 18:30:55 | cmarqu | One of the things I hate most. Dentist comes just before. |
| 18:32:07 | pb_ | Quite. We have a new system in this country where you can submit your tax return over the Internet now, so I might try that this year. Last year I left it too late - they send you a user id and password by post, and I didn't think about it until something like two days before the filing date. |
| 18:33:16 | pb_ | Ah, Cord just filed a new bug against gpe-calendar to replace #68 :-) |
| 18:33:34 | cmarqu | Yeah, we can do this too. There is only one program for lLinux that can do it though, the rest is Windoze. |
| 18:33:51 | cmarqu | And then, I have my US tax return too, but this is almost done. |
| 18:35:06 | pb_ | Ah, I've never had to do a US tax return. |
| 18:35:32 | cmarqu | It's easier normally I'd say. |
| 18:35:42 | cmarqu | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.9247.png -- alpha blending is not quite happening. |
| 18:36:18 | pb_ | Ah, hmm, nasty. It's alpha blending with the background color in your GtkStyle. |
| 18:36:30 | cmarqu | Ah. |
| 18:36:37 | pb_ | I'm not sure what to do about that. If the background is a pixmap, itcould be very nasty. |
| 18:36:37 | cmarqu | Soe does the OK button apparently. |
| 18:36:50 | pb_ | Yes, everything will. |
| 18:37:15 | cmarqu | Well, most user photos won't be alpha. I guess I could remove the alpha from tux too... |
| 18:37:22 | pb_ | That might be best. |
| 18:37:34 | pb_ | Or put the photo in an opaque box that has a defined color. |
| 18:37:41 | cmarqu | But I'm so bad in gimp... |
| 18:38:26 | cmarqu | I didn't want the box, it looks too much like a button |
| 18:38:57 | pb_ | The box might be quite important if the background is a pixmap; the photo might not stand out otherwise. |
| 18:39:39 | pb_ | I don't think it's too big a deal if it looks like a button. Maybe have it configurable, though that might be going too far. |
| 18:40:00 | cmarqu | Hmm. |
| 18:40:24 | cmarqu | Don't have such a bad pixmap then :) |
| 18:40:40 | pb_ | Well, that's a point of view. |
| 18:40:50 | pb_ | I guess it's not all that important. |
| 18:40:53 | cmarqu | The big photo button is not transparent either, but I guess that's okay. |
| 18:41:08 | dc_ | I return |
| 18:41:14 | pb_ | ah, just the man. |
| 18:41:27 | cmarqu | Once we can let the user choose the bg image, then we can think this through again. |
| 18:41:35 | cmarqu | dc_: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.9247.png |
| 18:42:42 | dc_ | cmarqu: oooh, how cute :D |
| 18:42:54 | dc_ | cmarqu: is the tux the default image> |
| 18:42:55 | dc_ | ? |
| 18:43:29 | dc_ | cmarqu: hrm, while you're in the gpe-login source, can we possibly make it so it changed the cursor to atleast a normal looking one |
| 18:43:48 | pb_ | dc_: it's supposed to turn the cursor off altogether, just doesn't seem to be working. |
| 18:43:52 | cmarqu | dc_: tux is the default, yes. |
| 18:43:58 | dc_ | pb_: :/ |
| 18:44:00 | dc_ | cmarqu: col. |
| 18:44:03 | dc_ | cool |
| 18:44:12 | pb_ | dc_: I just checked in some stuff to gpe-calendar to reinstate the old year-view. |
| 18:44:29 | dc_ | pb_: cool! |
| 18:44:33 | cmarqu | How can I make that tux just 100% transparent in thoe grey places around him? |
| 18:44:59 | pb_ | cmarqu: ah, I think I see the problem with the cursor. |
| 18:45:13 | cmarqu | Good. |
| 18:45:18 | pb_ | cmarqu: you needed to change $< to $^ in the makefile. |
| 18:45:35 | cmarqu | Oh. |
| 18:45:43 | pb_ | I'll make a new package. |
| 18:46:05 | cmarqu | I didn't get that part of the Makefile, it just looked as if it went okay :) |
| 18:47:01 | pb_ | Heh. |
| 18:48:21 | pb_ | right, gpe-login 0.22 is uploaded, let's see if that helps. |
| 18:48:32 | dc_ | :] |
| 18:48:38 | dc_ | wakes his iPAQ up |
| 18:48:42 | dc_ | time to upgrade! |
| 18:48:42 | cmarqu | http://www.fontconfig.org/ is up |
| 18:48:53 | pb_ | dc_: yay, go for it. |
| 18:50:25 | dc_ | damn it |
| 18:50:37 | dc_ | the iBook locked up gpe-filemanager cvs again :/ |
| 18:50:44 | cmarqu | dc_: And then upload to scap, we gotta see your new glasses! |
| 18:51:45 | dc_ | cmarqu: hahah :D |
| 18:51:51 | dc_ | cmarqu: you do! |
| 18:51:54 | pb_ | And, indeed, your new haircut. |
| 18:52:15 | cmarqu | pb_: gpe-login is fixed, now I need to do gpe-ownerinfo |
| 18:52:28 | dc_ | that wouldn't be fair on my webcam |
| 18:52:31 | dc_ | or me! |
| 18:52:37 | pb_ | ha. |
| 18:52:48 | dc_ | I'll just have to see how small it goes ;p |
| 18:52:58 | cmarqu | Come on, it's such a small image, a webcam should be fine |
| 18:53:08 | pb_ | Mmm. |
| 18:53:13 | pb_ | rummages around for his quickcam |
| 18:53:23 | cmarqu | Ha! |
| 18:54:07 | pb_ | Hmm, I can't see it. I know I have one at the office though. |
| 18:54:18 | dc_ | :] |
| 18:54:32 | pb_ | Maybe I'll try to catch myself unawares tomorrow and take a photo. |
| 18:54:42 | cmarqu | :) |
| 18:54:58 | pb_ | I guess I should set it to just take shots at random times throughout the day. |
| 18:55:05 | cmarqu | What's wrong with the one from your company website? |
| 18:55:21 | pb_ | Yeah, I guess I could use that one. |
| 18:55:31 | cmarqu | Crop it a bit.. |
| 18:55:45 | dc_ | sets his webcam up with apache :] |
| 18:55:48 | pb_ | Ah, even better, I could use someone else's picture from our website. |
| 18:55:56 | dc_ | haha |
| 18:55:57 | dc_ | :] |
| 18:56:10 | cmarqu | So that this guy can claim to be the rigthful owner of this iPAQ |
| 18:56:21 | pb_ | Indeed. |
| 18:56:33 | pb_ | I suppose that would be a bit of a drawback. |
| 18:57:02 | cmarqu | just get a nice chick off the web :) |
| 18:57:08 | pb_ | ha. |
| 18:59:11 | dc_ | :} |
| 19:00:16 | pb_ | Okay, cool, the cursor is gone with the new gpe-login. |
| 19:01:22 | dc_ | http://212.67.103.27/glasses.jpg |
| 19:01:23 | dc_ | :] |
| 19:01:45 | cmarqu | Argh! |
| 19:01:55 | cmarqu | Not just the glasses! :) |
| 19:01:59 | dc_ | bah |
| 19:02:00 | dc_ | hah |
| 19:02:52 | pb_ | dc_: they sure look expensive |
| 19:03:14 | dc_ | then damn well were :/ |
| 19:03:16 | dc_ | 200... |
| 19:03:35 | cmarqu | pb_: So, what do I need to do with this nocursor.c thing? |
| 19:03:43 | pb_ | cmarqu: what do you mean? |
| 19:03:45 | dc_ | I'm a but to good at spending money sometimes. |
| 19:03:48 | dc_ | heh. |
| 19:04:07 | pb_ | dc_: :-/ |
| 19:04:24 | pb_ | dc_: I think that's a problem we all have. |
| 19:04:57 | cmarqu | pb_: Well, I need to make sure it's compiled with my main.c, and that's it? |
| 19:05:00 | dc_ | pb_: hehe, money we don't have asell |
| 19:05:08 | dc_ | aswell |
| 19:05:24 | pb_ | cmarqu: right. |
| 19:05:34 | dc_ | so it's time to earn some more, I'm selling up and getting the new 17" iMac :] |
| 19:05:41 | dc_ | or possibly a cube |
| 19:06:03 | dc_ | W00t |
| 19:06:06 | dc_ | gpe-filemanager is up |
| 19:06:10 | pb_ | dc_: wahey! |
| 19:06:12 | dc_ | check it out guys |
| 19:06:22 | pb_ | cvs update |
| 19:06:54 | dc_ | list view isn't quite there (all shifted to the wrong side), have to ask mibus about it |
| 19:06:54 | pb_ | dc_: yeah, sounds like you need to get a job of some kind. |
| 19:07:10 | dc_ | yeah. |
| 19:07:23 | dc_ | I think I might look for one at some of the local computer stores. |
| 19:07:29 | dc_ | but I'm actualy still underage. |
| 19:07:31 | dc_ | :/ |
| 19:07:48 | pb_ | hmm, yes. |
| 19:08:05 | pb_ | I forget what the law actually is on employing people under 16. |
| 19:08:38 | pb_ | dc_: what's gnome-exec.h? |
| 19:08:40 | dc_ | well, I think I can maby get a job, but I probly won't get to much. |
| 19:09:12 | dc_ | pb_: something I nicked from gpe-appmgr that mibus probly stole from gnome to launch apps. |
| 19:09:23 | dc_ | pb_: but I'm not actualy using it right now |
| 19:10:00 | pb_ | dc_: ah, I get an error saying it can't be found when I try to compile. |
| 19:10:08 | dc_ | ah |
| 19:10:13 | pb_ | maybe I can just delete that #include |
| 19:10:16 | dc_ | pb_: remove it from the makefile if you will :} |
| 19:10:19 | dc_ | pb_: both |
| 19:10:26 | pb_ | ok. |
| 19:11:09 | dc_ | pb_: but under 16 it has to be a private thing,cash in hand. |
| 19:12:02 | | cmarqu: huh? |
| 19:12:02 | cmarqu | ibot listening! |
| 19:12:09 | cmarqu | :) |
| 19:12:14 | pb_ | dc_: wow very nice. |
| 19:12:56 | dc_ | pb_: you like it then :) |
| 19:13:02 | pb_ | dc_: it rules. |
| 19:13:14 | dc_ | good'o :) |
| 19:13:47 | dc_ | pb_: it has some simple mime program support, plus an 'open with' dialog |
| 19:14:15 | cmarqu | It looks nice, but it eats 100% CPU :) |
| 19:14:29 | pb_ | ah, does it? |
| 19:14:37 | cmarqu | In my huge homedir |
| 19:14:49 | cmarqu | After it wrote the mime info to sdout |
| 19:14:52 | pb_ | Yeah, it takes about a year to display my home directory too, but I figured that was my own fault. |
| 19:15:02 | pb_ | Nautilus has a fairly hard time with it too. |
| 19:15:04 | dc_ | hides |
| 19:15:09 | dc_ | not my problem ;p |
| 19:15:11 | dc_ | heh |
| 19:15:18 | dc_ | it's not the fastest though |
| 19:15:40 | dc_ | but I'm gonna add some stuff so it doesnt render the same mime images more than once etc. |
| 19:15:57 | cmarqu | Natuilus still crashes on my Gnome2, even though I dist-upgraded and remove its config dir etc. |
| 19:17:08 | dc_ | ouch |
| 19:17:16 | dc_ | well, mibus has the gnome2 touch |
| 19:17:16 | pb_ | cmarqu: weird, it works OK for me. |
| 19:17:31 | cmarqu | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `nocursor.c', needed by `nocursor.o'. Stop. |
| 19:17:33 | dc_ | he fixed my gnome2 install on the iBook while I was there. |
| 19:17:39 | dc_ | but he couldn't even remember how, hehe :} |
| 19:17:41 | cmarqu | Stupid automake/autoconf |
| 19:17:51 | pb_ | dc_: I think your list view would work better if you used gtk_box_pack_start rather than pack_end |
| 19:18:03 | pb_ | dc_: comme ca: |
| 19:18:04 | pb_ | gtk_box_pack_start (GTK_BOX (box), pixmap, FALSE, FALSE, 0); |
| 19:18:05 | pb_ | gtk_box_pack_start (GTK_BOX (box), label, FALSE, FALSE, 0); |
| 19:18:30 | dc_ | hah |
| 19:18:33 | dc_ | that's why :D |
| 19:18:56 | pb_ | times how long filemanager actually takes to display his home directory |
| 19:19:53 | dc_ | oooh, I want the cube!! |
| 19:20:00 | pb_ | ha. |
| 19:20:23 | pb_ | dc_: does filemanager sort the files in any particular order? |
| 19:20:34 | dc_ | pb_: ah no, one thing it doesn't do |
| 19:20:40 | pb_ | ah. |
| 19:20:42 | dc_ | pb_: I havn't tacked that yet |
| 19:20:56 | dc_ | pb_: cause I really like the way it displays the files as it reads them |
| 19:21:04 | pb_ | agreed, that's v. cool |
| 19:21:07 | dc_ | pb_: instead of waiting untill the whole directory is read. |
| 19:21:18 | dc_ | maby we can use some cool sorting thing. |
| 19:21:21 | pb_ | ah, it's finished. |
| 19:21:26 | pb_ | 2 minutes 40 seconds. |
| 19:21:48 | pb_ | that was on my 1500MHz athlon, I dread to think what it would have been like on the ipaq :-) |
| 19:22:12 | dc_ | oh dear. |
| 19:22:13 | dc_ | indeed. |
| 19:22:14 | dc_ | heh |
| 19:23:19 | pb_ | dc_: oh well, some optimisation required :-} |
| 19:23:53 | pb_ | dc_: it's cool that you can move to a new directory before it's finished displaying everything, tohugh. |
| 19:24:41 | pb_ | oh, I like the "Open with" box! |
| 19:25:08 | dc_ | yay |
| 19:25:16 | dc_ | need to work out some standard system for that |
| 19:25:34 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 19:25:51 | dc_ | omfg, it's impossible to find a cube for sale |
| 19:25:55 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 19:25:56 | dc_ | no one stocks them anymore :{ |
| 19:26:07 | pb_ | what _is_ a cube anyway? |
| 19:26:10 | pb_ | is ignorant and stupid |
| 19:26:17 | dc_ | you know, that 8" iMac |
| 19:26:26 | pb_ | ah, those. |
| 19:26:45 | dc_ | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/841831.stm |
| 19:27:51 | pb_ | neat. |
| 19:27:58 | pb_ | wants one too, now. |
| 19:28:14 | pb_ | I keep nearly buying an iMac, and then changing my mind at the last minute. |
| 19:28:56 | dc_ | eheh |
| 19:30:39 | pb_ | well, admittedly it's just one of a long list of things I keep almost buying. |
| 19:31:03 | dc_ | well, I think I found one for 600 pounds |
| 19:31:09 | dc_ | second hand |
| 19:31:09 | pb_ | cool. |
| 19:31:10 | dc_ | so I need to sell up :D |
| 19:31:24 | pb_ | what ya selling? |
| 19:31:31 | dc_ | all my box :/ |
| 19:31:44 | dc_ | my 2 monitors, my matrox G450 |
| 19:31:49 | dc_ | my 1Gb of DDR ram |
| 19:31:54 | dc_ | my everything :] |
| 19:31:58 | pb_ | crumbs. |
| 19:32:38 | dc_ | pb_: why..? |
| 19:33:02 | pb_ | dc_: no reason. |
| 19:33:15 | dc_ | pb_: it sounds man. |
| 19:33:31 | dc_ | pb_: but I've decided linux and my room only deserve the seXiest hardware ;] |
| 19:33:37 | pb_ | ha. |
| 19:33:44 | pb_ | a good decision I'm sure. |
| 19:34:39 | pb_ | dc_: want me to make an ipkg for filemanager? |
| 19:35:04 | dc_ | pb_: please :) |
| 19:35:25 | dc_ | pb_: it'd be good to try on the iPAQ ;) |
| 19:35:33 | pb_ | ok. |
| 19:35:39 | pb_ | does it depend on anything unusual? |
| 19:35:43 | dc_ | hrm |
| 19:35:46 | dc_ | only 500MHz :/ |
| 19:35:53 | dc_ | I'll have to survive... |
| 19:37:29 | pb_ | dc_: wow, it's a big package |
| 19:37:40 | pb_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 pb phil 153901 Sep 5 21:43 gpe-filemanager_0.01_arm.ipk |
| 19:37:45 | pb_ | must be all those icons :-} |
| 19:37:51 | dc_ | ouch |
| 19:37:54 | dc_ | yeah |
| 19:38:08 | pb_ | you wanna try to trim it down some, or shall I just upload it like that? |
| 19:38:27 | dc_ | pb_: hrm, do that for now. |
| 19:38:34 | dc_ | pb_: we can resize the icons latre. |
| 19:38:58 | pb_ | dc_: ok, done. |
| 19:39:36 | dc_ | whoah, 3760 for 500 pounds? |
| 19:39:36 | dc_ | :] |
| 19:39:40 | dc_ | 300! |
| 19:39:45 | dc_ | not to bad.. |
| 19:40:04 | pb_ | mmm, 3760 is pretty old technology now. |
| 19:40:09 | dc_ | really... |
| 19:40:13 | dc_ | I'm behind |
| 19:40:55 | pb_ | a new 3870 is only about 450 pounds. |
| 19:41:01 | dc_ | heh |
| 19:41:56 | pb_ | amazon auctions has a 3635 for $99 |
| 19:42:54 | pb_ | and a new 3830 is 380 quid at expansys. |
| 19:43:34 | dc_ | ooh. |
| 19:53:29 | cmarqu | pb_: I added an icon, a menu file and postinst/postrm to olirc. I'm just too lazy to fix the installation stuff now |
| 19:54:03 | dc_ | hrmf |
| 19:55:23 | pb_ | cmarqu: ok cool. |
| 19:58:39 | cmarqu | Heheheheeee: http://www.engrng.pitt.edu/chemical/people/faculty/mccarthy_joseph.html |
| 19:59:03 | pb_ | Wow. |
| 19:59:55 | | i haven't a clue, pb_ |
| 19:59:55 | pb_ | ibot, mccarthy? |
| 20:00:09 | | OK, pb_. |
| 20:00:09 | pb_ | ibot, mccarthy is <reply> see mccarthy at http://www.engrng.pitt.edu/chemical/people/faculty/mccarthy_joseph.html |
| 20:02:19 | cmarqu | :) |
| 20:02:28 | | pb is some kind of GPE hacker, and can be reached at mailto:pb@nexus.co.uk |
| 20:02:28 | cmarqu | ibot: pb? |
| 20:02:36 | cmarqu | grins |
| 20:02:38 | | cmarqu is the ScummVM package maintainer (but BBrox did the porting) and a lame Storm developer or green and yellow |
| 20:02:38 | pb_ | ibot, cmarqu? |
| 20:03:17 | pb_ | cmarqu: any hidden corners of www.alcatel.de we should know about? |
| 20:03:35 | cmarqu | No, nothing accessible from the outside. |
| 20:03:46 | cmarqu | Not even from the insdie I think |
| 20:03:50 | pb_ | Ah. |
| 20:04:40 | pb_ | dc_: got any pictures of mibus? |
| 20:06:14 | dc_ | ah nah forgot |
| 20:06:21 | dc_ | oh no |
| 20:06:29 | dc_ | mccarthy scares me to! |
| 20:07:18 | pb_ | ha, you're easily scared. |
| 20:08:03 | dc_ | hah! |
| 20:08:07 | dc_ | I need to sleep now |
| 20:08:13 | cmarqu | notices that we have a gpe-pdf icon |
| 20:08:24 | pb_ | Shame we don't have a program to go with it. |
| 20:08:24 | dc_ | takes full credit for that |
| 20:08:30 | dc_ | hides |
| 20:08:32 | pb_ | Ha. |
| 20:08:35 | cmarqu | Right. |
| 20:08:38 | BBrox | Any TCP stack guru here (for Linux) ? |
| 20:08:51 | pb_ | Dunno, maybe. What are you after? |
| 20:09:19 | BBrox | Is it possible to tweak some TCP parameters (do not even know if they exist :-) ) per device ? |
| 20:09:25 | dc_ | ahh noooooooo |
| 20:09:32 | dc_ | didn't add icons to gpe-icons |
| 20:09:34 | dc_ | to cvs |
| 20:09:36 | BBrox | For example, for ppp0 to change the time between resent of SYN packets, ... |
| 20:09:53 | pb_ | BBrox: not that I know of. |
| 20:10:15 | pb_ | dc_: oh hell. |
| 20:10:33 | BBrox | pb_: not per connection or not at all ? |
| 20:10:33 | dc_ | hrmmmmm |
| 20:10:52 | pb_ | BBrox: I don't think tcp has any per device settings. |
| 20:11:08 | dc_ | pb_: wait, I think you just need to update the ipkg, can you do that now? |
| 20:11:20 | dc_ | brb |
| 20:11:21 | pb_ | BBrox: the stuff you can tweak is mostly exposed in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp |
| 20:11:23 | BBrox | pb_: for example, if ppp0 is a GPRS device, it would be nice to not resend X times the SYN packet because it's very laggy :-) |
| 20:11:30 | pb_ | dc_: ok, will do. |
| 20:11:57 | BBrox | pb_: I should play with this removing first my eth0 connection :-) |
| 20:12:04 | pb_ | BBrox: does resending the SYN really hurt all that much? Once the connection is established, TCP should work out that it's dealing with a large rtt quite quickly. |
| 20:12:28 | BBrox | pb_: well, I should try to do some performance measurements... |
| 20:13:49 | BBrox | Other example would be maybe to enlarge the TCP window to not spend too much time waiting for acks |
| 20:13:58 | pb_ | dc_: 0.10 is uploaded. |
| 20:14:54 | pb_ | BBrox: yeah, like you say, you should probably do some measurements. |
| 20:15:13 | BBrox | pb_: yup, will 'steal' a GPRS card / phone from work and try one of these days |
| 20:15:13 | pb_ | BBrox: what kind of lag do you actually see with GPRS? |
| 20:15:31 | BBrox | pb_: about 3 seconds as far as I can remember |
| 20:15:59 | pb_ | hmm, right, and what's the data rate again? |
| 20:17:51 | BBrox | A bit more than 4 kB/s. Did not do real measurements :-) |
| 20:20:18 | pb_ | Okay. Well, I wouldn't expect you would have any real trouble with window sizes at those rates - you'll only have 12-16k or so of data in flight, and the default window size with no scaling is 32k. |
| 20:20:48 | BBrox | Well, I am no TCP expert... |
| 20:20:57 | BBrox | I planned to learn a bit about TCP while eperimenting :) |
| 20:21:03 | pb_ | BBrox: if you push the window size above 32768, you run the risk of breaking old stacks that treat it as signed. I'm not sure how many of those are still on the internet, but it wouldn't surprise me if there were a few. |
| 20:23:01 | BBrox | 'k |
| 20:24:14 | dc_ | omfg |
| 20:24:22 | dc_ | wtf is up with the icons on the iPAQ |
| 20:24:29 | pb_ | ? |
| 20:24:32 | pb_ | dc_: scap? |
| 20:24:46 | dc_ | one sec. |
| 20:25:35 | dc_ | pb_: on scap |
| 20:26:25 | dc_ | it's obviously the resizing |
| 20:26:34 | dc_ | but it's using the same code as gpe-appmgr |
| 20:26:44 | pb_ | hmm |
| 20:26:56 | pb_ | I think the current gdk-pixbuf is a bit flaky in the scaling department |
| 20:27:27 | dc_ | I think so to! |
| 20:27:43 | pb_ | maybe I should back out the integerisation stuff. |
| 20:28:03 | dc_ | maybe :) |
| 20:28:03 | pb_ | or I suppose I could try to fix it. :-/ |
| 20:28:13 | dc_ | heh |
| 20:28:27 | dc_ | well, we have a filemanager now!! |
| 20:28:33 | pb_ | meantime, you can manually install the old version, though I guess ipkg will keep wanting to upgrade it again. |
| 20:28:36 | pb_ | dc_: indeed, and it rocks. |
| 20:28:40 | dc_ | I'll find a new icon tomorrow, etc.. |
| 20:29:23 | pb_ | dc_: oh, if I do "Open with... / gpe-edit", it brings up gpe-edit but doesn't seem to actually load the file. |
| 20:29:24 | dc_ | pb_: should we not put it into utils? |
| 20:29:38 | dc_ | pb_: yeah, I have to update the gpe-edit cvs |
| 20:29:57 | pb_ | dc_: on the menu you mean? you'd have to check with the menu police. |
| 20:30:19 | dc_ | righty'i |
| 20:30:23 | dc_ | from |
| 20:30:25 | dc_ | hrm |
| 20:30:38 | dc_ | and do we know why all the window titles are messed? |
| 20:30:50 | pb_ | something to do with jg's new experimental xlibs |
| 20:31:01 | pb_ | but nobody has really got to the bottom of it yet, even mallum seems to be stumped. |
| 20:31:17 | dc_ | heh |
| 20:31:20 | dc_ | hrm |
| 20:31:24 | dc_ | kicks cmarqu |
| 20:31:37 | dc_ | cmarqu: we need tux-48 in gpe-conf! |
| 20:32:04 | cmarqu | dc_: Hmm, really? |
| 20:32:06 | pb_ | I think we could make a new libgtk1.2 that worked around the window title thing, but it seems better to figure out what's actually wrong. |
| 20:32:12 | dc_ | cmarqu: really, really. |
| 20:32:31 | cmarqu | I kinda like the current icon |
| 20:32:50 | dc_ | cmarqu: well all the gpe-conf apps want tux-48 |
| 20:33:06 | cmarqu | :) |
| 20:33:11 | cmarqu | Where exactly? |
| 20:33:21 | dc_ | where, when they load up :/ |
| 20:33:52 | cmarqu | Not in the config page? That would be confuding |
| 20:33:59 | dc_ | scap |
| 20:34:14 | grib | you guys ever seen the thing where xkbd sometimes won't send input to a widget, but if you switch to another app, send some xkbd input, then switch back, it works fine? |
| 20:34:47 | cmarqu | dc_: Ah. Oh. |
| 20:36:11 | dc_ | cmarqu: where is it? |
| 20:36:55 | cmarqu | /usr/share/gpe/pixmaps/default/tux-48.png |
| 20:36:55 | pb_ | grib: hmm, no. |
| 20:37:27 | pb_ | grib: xkbd doesn't know anything about where it is sending the input; that seems like it would have to be an X server problem. |
| 20:37:54 | dc_ | cmarqu: not in the latest ipk. |
| 20:38:04 | dc_ | cmarqu: it musn't be in the Makefile |
| 20:38:10 | cmarqu | dc_: of gpe-conf? |
| 20:38:13 | dc_ | pb_: can we fix that ;) |
| 20:38:14 | cmarqu | Hmm. |
| 20:38:18 | dc_ | cmarqu: gpe-icons I assume |
| 20:38:25 | pb_ | dc_: what, _another_ package? sure, one moment. |
| 20:38:27 | cmarqu | dc_: No, not gpe-icins |
| 20:38:35 | dc_ | cmarqu: :/ |
| 20:38:46 | pb_ | dc_: ah, I'll stop making a new one in that case. |
| 20:39:07 | dc_ | pb_, cmarqu: wait, where in cvs is the image? |
| 20:39:07 | cmarqu | Actually, I think one should come with with gpe-ownerinfo, and one with gpe-conf |
| 20:39:15 | pb_ | ./gpe-ownerinfo/tux-48.png |
| 20:39:16 | pb_ | ./gpe-conf/pixmaps/tux-48.png |
| 20:39:19 | dc_ | pb_, cmarqu: or one with gpe-icons |
| 20:39:20 | pb_ | dc_: it's in two places! |
| 20:39:36 | cmarqu | Hmm, evil. |
| 20:39:40 | pb_ | cmarqu: it seems silly to have two apps shipping the same file - that's exactly what we have gpe-icons for. |
| 20:39:44 | dc_ | so can we just move it to gpe-icons? or is that considered bloat. |
| 20:39:51 | dc_ | pb_: indeed./ |
| 20:39:51 | cmarqu | Right. |
| 20:40:05 | cmarqu | Not sure why I did that... |
| 20:40:15 | cmarqu | Let me move it. |
| 20:40:22 | pb_ | Okay, cool. |
| 20:40:37 | dc_ | good :) |
| 20:45:09 | cmarqu | The icon is in CVS, and I added it to the Makefile. |
| 20:45:19 | dc_ | pb_: :-) |
| 20:46:14 | pb_ | you want me to spin a new package then? |
| 20:46:24 | dc_ | do your thing |
| 20:46:29 | cmarqu | Yes please. |
| 20:46:41 | pb_ | Is it going to conflict with existing gpe-confs and/or gpe-ownerinfos? |
| 20:47:07 | cmarqu | I guess so, yes... :/ |
| 20:47:29 | pb_ | You want me to upload it anyway? |
| 20:47:59 | dc_ | can we err update the others too... |
| 20:48:17 | cmarqu | I guess pierre can make a new gpe-conf soon, and I'll make a new gpe-ownerinfo |
| 20:48:17 | pb_ | I've never built a package for either of those, so I'd rather not do it. |
| 20:48:28 | pb_ | Okay. Well, people can always use --force-overwrite. |
| 20:48:32 | dc_ | ahh |
| 20:48:36 | pb_ | The new gpe-icons is uploaded. |
| 20:48:36 | dc_ | okay |
| 20:48:37 | cmarqu | Sure. It's unstable. |
| 20:49:01 | cmarqu | pb_: What is the new version? |
| 20:49:09 | pb_ | 0.11 |
| 20:49:21 | pb_ | 0.10 was the one I uploaded about 30 minutes ago |
| 20:49:27 | cmarqu | :) |
| 20:49:33 | dc_ | mallum: ! |
| 20:49:37 | cmarqu | I'll make the packages depend on that. |
| 20:49:41 | pb_ | Great. |
| 20:50:27 | mallum | dc_: hey |
| 20:50:39 | mallum | dc_: I just booted mac osx under linux :)) |
| 20:53:01 | mallum | dc_: damn it feels fast too |
| 20:53:21 | dc_ | mallum: wow! |
| 20:53:28 | dc_ | mallum: what emu? |
| 20:54:18 | dc_ | mallum: well, I'm hopefully getting a G4 cube soon :D |
| 20:54:37 | mallum | dc_: maconlinux |
| 20:54:50 | dc_ | oh great! |
| 20:54:58 | mallum | dc_: 0.9.65 released about 20 minutes ago |
| 20:55:04 | dc_ | cool |
| 20:59:29 | dc_ | have to try it out |
| 21:02:56 | mallum | dc_: have you checked ebay for cheap macs ? |
| 21:04:18 | cmarqu | Depends: libgtk1.2, libgpewidget0 (>= 0.08), gpe-icons (>= 0.11) |
| 21:04:42 | cmarqu | Damn, it doesn't complain that it only gets 0.10 |
| 21:05:32 | pb_ | Yeah, I don't think ipkg does much with versioned depends. |
| 21:05:58 | cmarqu | :/ |
| 21:06:07 | pb_ | At least one of the gpe packages has a completely malformed version in there - something like "Depends: libgpewidget (0.15+)" and ipkg is happy with that too. |
| 21:06:16 | cmarqu | sh-2.03# ipkg upgrade libgpewidget |
| 21:06:16 | cmarqu | Segmentation fault |
| 21:06:40 | cmarqu | pb_: Yeah, that's gpe-conf |
| 21:07:11 | cmarqu | ipkg upgrade libgpewidget0 |
| 21:07:14 | cmarqu | Ah. |
| 21:10:31 | dc_ | err |
| 21:10:31 | dc_ | mallum: yeah, but no cubes |
| 21:10:48 | mallum | dc_: does it have toi be a cube ? |
| 21:10:50 | dc_ | cmarqu, pb_: so is this tux-48 problem supposed to be solved? |
| 21:11:14 | dc_ | mallum: not really, but I don't have that much money, and the idea is to lose some room the box takes up |
| 21:11:16 | cmarqu | dc_: Almost. gpe-conf will still ship it. |
| 21:11:21 | cmarqu | Argh. |
| 21:11:23 | dc_ | cmarqu: ahh.. |
| 21:11:24 | cmarqu | No. Wait. |
| 21:12:05 | dc_ | mallum: I 'was' looking at the new ones, but I don't really have that much money |
| 21:12:42 | dc_ | mallum: I do have to get a job though |
| 21:13:26 | dc_ | mallum: to pay for ttp://212.67.103.27/glasses.jpg and the rest of the money I don't get by selling my curent box |
| 21:13:30 | cmarqu | The gpe-cions package doesn't seem to have tux-48.png installed? |
| 21:14:01 | dc_ | it seems |
| 21:14:53 | pb_ | Oh, did I screw up? |
| 21:15:01 | dc_ | pb_: ;p |
| 21:15:01 | pb_ | Let me try again. |
| 21:15:01 | cmarqu | It's in CVs though, and it installs it on my desktoip |
| 21:15:38 | pb_ | 0.12 is uploaded. :-/ |
| 21:15:49 | dc_ | :] |
| 21:16:04 | pb_ | It looks like I must have forgotten to "cvs update" before I made 0.11. |
| 21:16:22 | cmarqu | Ah. |
| 21:17:24 | cmarqu | Yup, it's there now. |
| 21:18:30 | mallum | dc_: I would have though a cube would be more expensive ? |
| 21:18:43 | pb_ | cmarqu: Okay, phew. |
| 21:18:44 | dc_ | mallum: I was looking at second hand |
| 21:18:48 | cmarqu | Uploading gpe-ownerinfo_0.04-2_arm.ipk to unstable feed |
| 21:18:53 | mallum | dc_: I saw 500mhz g4;s for ~500 |
| 21:19:08 | dc_ | mallum: I'll probly onlu get like 600 for my whole setup including both screens |
| 21:19:14 | dc_ | mallum: ahhh |
| 21:19:24 | dc_ | mallum: but then I'd need a screen |
| 21:19:59 | mallum | dc_: you can use existing monitor ? |
| 21:20:42 | dc_ | hrm |
| 21:21:01 | dc_ | probly, but that's not the idea. |
| 21:21:17 | dc_ | mallum: it'd be nice to have something that fits alot nicer in my room |
| 21:21:33 | cmarqu | wonders why gpe-ownerinfo and gpe-conf didn't conflict for the pixmap... looks like gpe-conf didn't actually ship it (since dc_ didn't get it), so we are actually fine now... |
| 21:23:42 | mallum | dc_: hmm, I seem to have forgoteen my os x password :( |
| 21:23:49 | dc_ | mallum: not cool |
| 21:24:03 | mallum | dc_: does it set a defualt |
| 21:24:18 | dc_ | mallum: not that I know of |
| 21:29:09 | dc_ | argf |
| 21:29:10 | dc_ | sleep |
| 21:29:13 | dc_ | school tomorrow |
| 21:29:22 | dc_ | and job finding on saturday :] |
| 21:29:31 | dc_ | talk tomorrow afternoon :\ |
| 21:33:05 | mallum | aha got it :) |
| 22:41:41 | mut3x | hmmm, just a comment |
| 22:41:56 | mut3x | gpe program manager doesn't seem to start after loging in |
| 22:42:03 | mut3x | the audio recording program does |
| 22:42:54 | mut3x | but after i record something, it comes up... strange no ? |
| 23:00:06 | cmarqu | It needs a size change event, it's a known bug. |
| 23:02:12 | mut3x | ah, i see... suppose i should go to the bugzilla |
| 23:02:17 | mut3x | *should-have |
| 23:03:43 | cmarqu | Well, that's the common way, but this specific bug is known |
| 23:04:10 | mut3x | indeed |
| 23:04:36 | mut3x | i'm glad someone started up a gtk interface for familiar |
| 23:04:59 | cmarqu | Yeah, me too |
| 23:14:53 | mut3x | notices that irc.handhelds.org is really freenode/openprojects |
| 23:15:14 | mutex | silly |
| 23:24:59 | mutex | how long has this project been going on ? |
| 23:25:44 | cmarqu | About a year, but it only kicked off in the last half year. |
