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| 06:31.10 | judas_iscariote | ~poke hamZta |
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| 06:31.27 | judas_iscariote | :) |
| 06:31.27 | hamZta | Hi judas_iscariote! |
| 06:31.27 | judas_iscariote | hi |
| 06:31.37 | hamZta | judas_iscariote: You still didn't tell me where to add custom severities ;) |
| 06:31.39 | judas_iscariote | hamZta: how are you eh ? |
| 06:32.00 | hamZta | judas_iscariote: So-so. Don't want to work today :/ |
| 06:32.13 | judas_iscariote | :\ |
| 06:32.53 | hamZta | And you? Doing well over in Chile? :) |
| 06:33.50 | judas_iscariote | hamZta: yes, pretty fine taking this month for me, to travel , work on flyspray and so on. |
| 06:34.08 | judas_iscariote | hamZta: It is almost certain now that I start a new job on July 1. |
| 06:34.09 | hamZta | Where do you travel? |
| 06:34.16 | hamZta | Heh, congrats! |
| 06:34.55 | judas_iscariote | hamZta: fitrst I 'll need to travel to santiago it seems |
| 06:35.01 | judas_iscariote | to sign a contract ;) |
| 06:35.11 | hamZta | :) |
| 06:35.33 | judas_iscariote | hamZta: they called my yesterday about that from Argentina :-) |
| 06:36.04 | hamZta | The SuSE-Guys? |
| 06:36.09 | judas_iscariote | yes. |
| 06:36.24 | judas_iscariote | the nearest Office is in argentina |
| 06:36.56 | hamZta | *wikilookup* |
| 06:37.00 | judas_iscariote | hamZta: they seem to only have a legal representative here. |
| 06:37.39 | hamZta | Ah! It's the other side of south-america :D |
| 06:38.53 | judas_iscariote | yes. |
| 06:39.10 | judas_iscariote | I live "near" the regions called "Neuquen" and "Mendoza" |
| 06:40.01 | hamZta | So you'll have to find a place to live over there? |
| 06:40.08 | judas_iscariote | nope. |
| 06:40.18 | judas_iscariote | I 'll not move at all. |
| 06:40.55 | judas_iscariote | as the nearest office, they handle my application and legal papers with representatives |
| 06:40.58 | judas_iscariote | nothing else. |
| 06:41.14 | hamZta | Ah, sure! I've forgotten that you can work from home |
| 06:41.56 | judas_iscariote | otherwise it will be very hard to do. |
| 06:42.07 | judas_iscariote | germany --> US --> Argentina --> Chile |
| 06:42.54 | judas_iscariote | hamZta: :) |
| 06:43.24 | judas_iscariote | I 'll buy some new gadgets to "enhance" my workstation very soon. |
| 06:43.35 | hamZta | judas_iscariote: I'm still looking for a place where I can live in september |
| 06:44.20 | judas_iscariote | hamZta: need to move ? |
| 06:44.39 | hamZta | Yes, as I'm going to study in an other city |
| 06:45.33 | judas_iscariote | I see.. |
| 06:45.46 | judas_iscariote | that is usually hard and expensive. |
| 06:45.59 | hamZta | It is, yes |
| 06:46.34 | judas_iscariote | I have moved two times from city in the past 6 years and in one city I moved to other houses at least 4 times. |
| 06:46.47 | hamZta | Wow! :) |
| 06:46.51 | hamZta | I've never moved before |
| 06:46.58 | hamZta | So it's very exciting ;) |
| 06:47.30 | Priski | hamZta, housing in austria is expensive? |
| 06:47.31 | judas_iscariote | the first 3 moves were in a lapse of 2 years or so. |
| 06:47.48 | hamZta | Priski: For a student, everything is expensive ;) |
| 06:47.55 | Priski | yeah I know :) |
| 06:48.31 | Priski | I barely have enough money to buy beer at my current budjet :) |
| 06:48.45 | hamZta | Oh, that's hard |
| 06:49.03 | judas_iscariote | hamZta: but that's nothing compared with the experience of some family memeber that lives in the same city, with kids and stuff and they got annoyed afterr moving 6 times in a year. |
| 06:49.34 | Priski | after paying a rent and buying food for month that does not leave much for spending, everything is expensive here |
| 06:49.51 | judas_iscariote | 6 times, kids kids, schools, and all stuff.. that's insane. |
| 06:49.59 | hamZta | Where do you live, Priski? |
| 06:50.03 | Priski | fin |
| 06:50.10 | hamZta | judas_iscariote: Why had they to move 6 times Oo |
| 06:51.03 | judas_iscariote | hamZta: there are quite a problems in that city, the demand of housing and the quality of the houses or the house-owners. |
| 06:51.15 | hamZta | Priski: I heard that alcohol is very expensive in finnland, is that true? |
| 06:52.35 | judas_iscariote | hamZta: the problems are usually bad mantainence of houses even the most expensiveones, as well the lack of respect of the contracts and other stuff by the owners. |
| 06:52.53 | Priski | hamZta, well 12 pack costs (0,33l) in stores 7e(on sale) to 10e (really small stores) |
| 06:52.55 | hamZta | judas_iscariote: That's bad |
| 06:53.03 | judas_iscariote | as the demand is so big, they care a lilte because they know the house will be used by other people anyway soon |
| 06:53.49 | Priski | hamZta, well taxes are quite high here, even though they did a big cut to the taxes (because estonia joined EU) |
| 06:53.51 | judas_iscariote | hamZta: and suing them is like riding a dead horse, better move on and get a beer. |
| 06:54.20 | hamZta | judas_iscariote: Hehe. Beer always helps, at least for a moment ;) |
| 06:54.53 | judas_iscariote | hamZta: you spend more money and get more annoyed by the legal system. so you just need to move on. |
| 06:55.10 | hamZta | Priski: Does Finnland have many problems with drunken teenagers? |
| 06:55.27 | judas_iscariote | I suspect that's a worldwide problem. |
| 06:56.08 | judas_iscariote | drunken teenagers are a "problem" here. |
| 06:56.36 | hamZta | Our newspapers are full with articles about "coma-drinking"-teenagers :) |
| 06:56.53 | Priski | hamZta, well yeah I guess, for example I got my first drunk at age of 12 (I drinked unlegally imported spirits (98% alcohol)) |
| 06:56.54 | judas_iscariote | :-D |
| 06:57.11 | hamZta | Yeah, me too judas_iscariote ;) |
| 06:57.25 | hamZta | Priski: 98% alcohol? This can't taste very well Oo |
| 06:57.29 | judas_iscariote | oO |
| 06:57.39 | Priski | no it didn't |
| 06:57.43 | judas_iscariote | some drinks like that comes from Peru to Chile. |
| 06:57.48 | judas_iscariote | I dont drink that stuff. |
| 06:58.06 | hamZta | I don't drink that hard stuff anymore |
| 06:58.09 | Priski | selling alcholol over 60% is illegal here |
| 06:58.52 | judas_iscariote | AFAICS here is ilegal over 75. |
| 06:59.26 | judas_iscariote | but it is sold anyway ilegally ;P |
| 06:59.37 | Priski | alcohol laws here are stricter than most of the countries |
| 06:59.45 | hamZta | You can easily buy >80% alcohol over here |
| 07:00.13 | judas_iscariote | like in the "Al Capone's time " |
| 07:00.15 | judas_iscariote | :-D |
| 07:00.17 | hamZta | :D |
| 07:00.20 | Priski | yeah here you cant sell vine or even breezer(if you know the drink) in regular stores |
| 07:00.38 | hamZta | Do you know "Desperados"? ;) |
| 07:01.40 | Priski | does not a ring a bell but I'm not remembering names so I cant say for sure |
| 07:02.09 | Priski | argh, "good at" should be at middle of that sentence |
| 07:02.12 | hamZta | It's Tequila flavored beer |
| 07:02.31 | judas_iscariote | Priski: here "regular stores" cannot sell any kind of alcohol ( even beer) without a legal permission. |
| 07:02.34 | hamZta | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desperados_%28Beer%29 |
| 07:03.08 | judas_iscariote | Priski: but they sell anyway, ilegally very frecuently. |
| 07:03.30 | Priski | probably not, if it's something imported it's probably booze that I drink |
| 07:03.53 | Priski | judas_iscariote, does they give those permissions easilly? |
| 07:04.13 | judas_iscariote | Priski: it is a whole lot of legalities and is not easy to obtain. |
| 07:04.21 | Priski | because in here you cant sell any alcohol without permission |
| 07:04.30 | judas_iscariote | those permissions (in number) are regulated by law. |
| 07:05.01 | hamZta | :D |
| 07:05.01 | Priski | and booze selling is monopolisized by goverment |
| 07:05.14 | Priski | "for public health" i guess.. |
| 07:05.17 | hamZta | Here you don't need a special permission |
| 07:05.31 | judas_iscariote | so, if there is none available, you need to buy one from other business that is either going out of business or they just want to sell it. |
| 07:05.44 | hamZta | If you look old enough, you can buy everything even when you are 13 or 14 |
| 07:06.27 | judas_iscariote | Priski: but the negotition is subject of regulations as well. |
| 07:06.42 | Priski | drinkin culture is more open in most of european countries |
| 07:06.42 | hamZta | <-- smoking |
| 07:07.21 | judas_iscariote | for example you cannot use that "patent" ( that's the name ) to open a alchol store near primary and secondary schools. |
| 07:08.08 | judas_iscariote | but the law is ambigous and stores gets opened anyway near secondary schools. |
| 07:08.33 | judas_iscariote | ( law have loopholes as well :-D ) |
| 07:09.00 | Priski | every country has tons of loopholes in their laws :) |
| 07:09.09 | judas_iscariote | ;) |
| 07:09.28 | Priski | in chile does people drink much? |
| 07:09.34 | judas_iscariote | yes, a lot. |
| 07:09.49 | judas_iscariote | alcholism is a seriuos issue here. |
| 07:10.41 | Priski | part of the peoples culture i guess? |
| 07:10.45 | judas_iscariote | yes |
| 07:11.06 | judas_iscariote | but considered a seriuos "public health" problem, |
| 07:11.28 | Priski | like in here, no matter what new laws they try, if people want it, they do it, disregarding the law |
| 07:12.30 | judas_iscariote | yes, same here.. so nowdays the efforts are focused on "responsible drinking" for teens and adults.. and making laws harder against people that drives cars drunk. |
| 07:13.09 | judas_iscariote | drunk car driving is currently the most seriuos issue. |
| 07:13.31 | Priski | only reason they did the big tax cutoff here was because it would be very easy for people to import vast amounts of cheap alcohol from estonia (EU forbids strict import regulations) |
| 07:14.40 | judas_iscariote | Priski: what percentage was the tax ? |
| 07:14.46 | Priski | so in there does people go against those regulations? |
| 07:14.58 | judas_iscariote | here is 35% of the price. |
| 07:15.07 | judas_iscariote | on alcohol beverages. |
| 07:15.28 | Priski | here is 44% |
| 07:15.32 | judas_iscariote | o_O |
| 07:15.35 | Priski | after the cutoff |
| 07:15.39 | judas_iscariote | wow |
| 07:15.58 | judas_iscariote | people goes against regulations ( business as well) |
| 07:16.15 | Priski | thats for booze, 32% is for beer and for Wine 10% |
| 07:16.27 | judas_iscariote | people just dont respect the law and buisness use hordes of lawyers to abuse loopholes. ;) |
| 07:16.56 | Priski | hmm just checkin some statistics... |
| 07:17.29 | Priski | in here average person drinks 10 litres of pure alcohol per year |
| 07:18.00 | judas_iscariote | here "wine" is a local product and whateber the tax they apply it will be always very. very cheap. |
| 07:19.18 | judas_iscariote | Priski: I seeing some stats now too :D |
| 07:19.20 | Priski | does people drink lot of wine then? |
| 07:19.36 | judas_iscariote | 15,8 lt of wine person/year |
| 07:19.48 | Priski | of wine? hmm |
| 07:19.50 | judas_iscariote | 28lt of beer p/y |
| 07:20.26 | judas_iscariote | well the total is 4,7 lt of **pure** alcohol per person a year |
| 07:20.36 | judas_iscariote | that was in 1996 |
| 07:20.46 | judas_iscariote | probaly nowdays it is about 8 or so :P |
| 07:22.08 | Priski | wine drinkin isn't that popular in here |
| 07:22.53 | Priski | judas_iscariote, how it can grow so big in 10 years? |
| 07:23.42 | judas_iscariote | people getting more monet |
| 07:23.46 | judas_iscariote | money :-D |
| 07:23.57 | hamZta | re |
| 07:24.13 | Priski | heh :) |
| 07:25.10 | Priski | btw about taxes, price gasoline in here contains 70% of taxes |
| 07:25.16 | hamZta | (09:08:48) judas_iscariote: drunk car driving is currently the most seriuos issue. <--- That's something that makes me angry |
| 07:25.35 | hamZta | I don't know why people drive when they're drunk |
| 07:26.32 | Priski | well alcohol lowers IQ ;) |
| 07:27.15 | Priski | and when there is time when you do need to go somewhere and have no sober driver... |
| 07:27.27 | judas_iscariote | that's the worst part. |
| 07:27.50 | Priski | one of my friend has been busted for drunk driving for 3 times by cops :) |
| 07:28.24 | judas_iscariote | Priski: here if your friend is "busted" .. you are very likely to end in the police station as well. |
| 07:28.43 | Priski | he said to another friend of mine that if he ever gets on wheel on drunk again that friend has right to kick his ass |
| 07:28.46 | judas_iscariote | in case you are with him in that moment. |
| 07:29.52 | judas_iscariote | and unfortuantely you end in the same room with real criminals ( usually thiefs ..) |
| 07:30.02 | Priski | judas_iscariote, yeah that is considered some law violation in here also |
| 07:30.11 | Priski | judas_iscariote, not in here |
| 07:30.18 | judas_iscariote | treatement is not differentiatied. |
| 07:30.30 | Priski | judas_iscariote, police have their own rooms for drunks here :) |
| 07:30.36 | judas_iscariote | :) |
| 07:30.46 | judas_iscariote | here is the same, but not in all places. |
| 07:30.57 | Priski | since there are lots of "regular customers" |
| 07:30.58 | Priski | :) |
| 07:31.05 | judas_iscariote | only on certain cities... |
| 07:31.08 | judas_iscariote | :D |
| 07:32.04 | judas_iscariote | police is generally not corrupt here.. |
| 07:32.29 | hamZta | I recently talked to a police officer ... |
| 07:32.46 | judas_iscariote | but they sometimes make questionale descisions. |
| 07:32.52 | hamZta | If I'd had the possibility too, I'd fire him |
| 07:33.33 | hamZta | He said things like "We should get all people out of the pubs at night and then beat them up, no matter if they behave wrong or not" |
| 07:33.36 | judas_iscariote | one time asking the reason of his quick liberation to a friend that got "busted" he told me the cop was from his same football team. |
| 07:34.19 | judas_iscariote | and the cop liked that and forgot his drunkess and left charge free.. |
| 07:34.20 | judas_iscariote | LOL |
| 07:34.36 | Priski | hamZta, I have never anything like that in here from police officer |
| 07:35.18 | Priski | in here they are actually guite nice and solidary, at least most of them |
| 07:35.20 | hamZta | He told me that he often takes single people out from drunken groups and take em to lonely places to scare them. |
| 07:35.56 | judas_iscariote | hamZta: that things happended here too.very less frecuently than before.. but still . |
| 07:36.46 | hamZta | He picks out his stick they use to beat people and then asks them "You're scared? Why's that?" |
| 07:38.24 | judas_iscariote | hamZta: it is nowdays rare, but still happends..and that's bad. |
| 07:38.25 | judas_iscariote | it happends less nowdays because a lot of them has been caught by cameras or superiors and got fired and sometimes jailed. |
| 07:38.25 | hamZta | They are often very unfriendly and you aren't allowed to say something against it |
| 07:39.06 | judas_iscariote | hamZta: exaclty. the rule here is "shut up" "you can't do nothing in the moment, they represent the authority" |
| 07:39.07 | hamZta | Those were the days my friend *sing* |
| 07:39.18 | hamZta | Yeah, that's what I mean judas_iscariote |
| 07:39.51 | judas_iscariote | in the moment of course, you can complain after .. if they hear you or not thats a different story. |
| 07:40.37 | Priski | chile has actually guite low corruption level when comparing other south american countries |
| 07:40.58 | judas_iscariote | Priski: yes , the police is not generally corrupt. |
| 07:41.18 | judas_iscariote | I can say it is not at all, there are bad apples as in any other job. |
| 07:41.42 | hamZta | True |
| 07:42.35 | Priski | for me those things are completely unfamiliar |
| 07:42.45 | judas_iscariote | if you try to "cheat" them with money.. you will in almost all cases get arrested and charged on "attempts to bribe a police officer" |
| 07:43.36 | Priski | it's easy to forget how well are things in here because people allways criticize and complain about evertything |
| 07:43.59 | Priski | thats why I allways wanted to go and travel the world |
| 07:44.09 | Priski | but no money, no fun |
| 07:44.11 | Priski | :( |
| 07:44.38 | judas_iscariote | but there are some "irregularities" as in all jobs .. |
| 07:45.10 | judas_iscariote | but you can't bribe them with money. they like other stuff :-D |
| 07:45.31 | Priski | every job has irregularities, and that fact isn't going to change since people will allways be people :) |
| 07:45.39 | Priski | haha |
| 07:45.56 | Priski | what do they take then? some nice furniture? ;) |
| 07:46.19 | judas_iscariote | Im aware of some cases.. they like to have friends with car "mechanic fixing facilities" |
| 07:46.48 | Priski | yeah that is more than common in dear neighbourgh russia :) |
| 07:46.59 | judas_iscariote | because they sometimes screw up police cars and they get busted by superiors later. |
| 07:47.28 | judas_iscariote | and of course they dont want that and fix the problem with "friends" ;) |
| 07:47.28 | Priski | :) |
| 07:48.33 | judas_iscariote | Priski: and in the south of the country.. they like "expensive and rare to find fish". |
| 07:48.44 | Priski | hamZta, but i'm bit suprised that police do that in austria |
| 07:49.08 | judas_iscariote | because in the suouth there are a lot of companies that export "high quality" fish. |
| 07:49.09 | Priski | :) |
| 07:49.42 | judas_iscariote | fish that is not sold in the local market, only to the US and Asia. |
| 07:50.04 | hamZta | Priski: There are "bad cops" everywhere ;) |
| 07:50.49 | Priski | thats how things just go |
| 07:50.49 | judas_iscariote | and I have personally seen them giving you some kind of " inmunity" to the employees of those companies that gaves them fish and fix their cars when they screw them up. |
| 07:51.06 | judas_iscariote | :-) |
| 07:53.13 | judas_iscariote | all have limits of course.. is not **that** corrupt .. they usually forget things like "overspeed driving" or skip rutinary revision or any kind of traffic nfraction thathas not caused harm to other people or property. |
| 07:53.13 | hamZta | "Knockin' on heaven's door" sung by the red army ensemble just rocks |
| 07:53.13 | hamZta | Haha, there happend something great in Austria a while ago |
| 07:53.38 | hamZta | Some rich assholes started a race from somewhere in the east and they wanted to race through Austria *without* asking for permission |
| 07:53.47 | hamZta | They thought they can do, just because they're rich |
| 07:54.03 | hamZta | All the other countries they drove through didn't stop them |
| 07:54.13 | hamZta | But Austrian's police waited for them at the borders ;) |
| 07:54.29 | hamZta | They caught them all |
| 07:54.58 | judas_iscariote | here "races" are stricly forbidden..and that's the reason why is becoming a seriuos problem. |
| 07:55.08 | judas_iscariote | they are organized ilegally. |
| 07:55.10 | Priski | hamZta, btw how much does cost an cheap 50m^2 apartment rent in austria? |
| 07:55.27 | hamZta | Depends on the city, Priski |
| 07:55.34 | hamZta | And on the location in the city |
| 07:55.40 | Priski | but for good price |
| 07:55.43 | hamZta | I don't know the prices in Salzburg |
| 07:55.51 | judas_iscariote | how much ? ;-) |
| 07:56.45 | hamZta | In Graz, where I'm going to live you pay about 500e for 80m^2 |
| 07:57.40 | Priski | in city? |
| 07:57.41 | judas_iscariote | how many rooms ? |
| 07:57.54 | hamZta | 4 |
| 07:57.59 | hamZta | Yes, in City Priski |
| 07:59.20 | judas_iscariote | that 's the price of a "upper class" apartment here. ;) |
| 07:59.21 | Priski | hmm that kind of apartment in city here would pay at least 800e and more if you rent it in even bigger sities |
| 08:02.41 | Priski | only in norway is even more expensive I guess in europe |
| 08:03.55 | Priski | or switzerland |
| 08:04.13 | hamZta | The swiss are a strange folk :D |
| 08:05.11 | Priski | oh yeah thats austrias border-neighbourgh? |
| 08:07.11 | hamZta | Yes |
| 08:07.54 | hamZta | Their dialect is the best thing ever |
| 08:08.09 | Priski | yodleiuhuuuuu |
| 08:08.11 | Priski | :D |
| 08:08.22 | hamZta | Everytime I hear a swiss speak, I have to beat myself to not laugh too hard |
| 08:08.56 | Priski | well thats better than being very "ugly" language |
| 08:09.14 | hamZta | Austrian dialect is very ugly ;) |
| 08:10.09 | Priski | cant really say that I have ever heard austria |
| 08:11.06 | Priski | so lets download Österreich.ogg from wikipedia and have a little sample :) |
| 08:11.24 | hamZta | :D |
| 08:12.15 | Priski | hehe, well that is not that bad... |
| 08:12.33 | Priski | reminds me of other mid european languages |
| 08:13.00 | hamZta | Never heard the Ă–sterreich.ogg of wikipedia ;) |
| 08:13.19 | Priski | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria link in the first row |
| 08:13.56 | hamZta | Nah, I'm at work. My co-worker would think I went crazy :D |
| 08:14.20 | Priski | an very manly voice says it kinda cool way |
| 08:14.21 | Priski | :D |
| 08:14.41 | Priski | it just says Österreich nothing else |
| 08:36.45 | judas_iscariote | well folks.. cya all later. |
| 08:37.24 | Priski | "moro" (bye) |
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