IRC log for #elive on 20091210

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00:08.36xguruhi everyone
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02:09.47Elive_user85_en84
02:10.14Elive_user85_eneww...what a defaults..
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04:24.05Elive_user97hello everybody
04:24.36Elive_user97a question for anyone who wants to answer...
04:25.09Elive_user97will a pentium iii coppermine processor be supported on elive 2.0? Thanks
04:27.46Elive_user97thanks
04:27.48Elive_user97bye
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07:36.52Elive_user51_deupdate elive
07:37.06keyraElive_user51_de: if you want to upgrade your elive system to a newest one without reinstall, this is not totally possible... because a lot of features are added in the 'process' (boot, configurations, detections, updates, install features, etc) and not just the packages, read the changelog of the releases so you can see the new features added and decide what you do
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09:47.04AlexAnteeeoh hey MrSandman
09:50.31MrSandmanyo AlexAnteee :)
09:50.41MrSandmanwhat's up mate :)
09:50.56AlexAnteeewell, I take your showing up here as an Omen.
09:50.58AlexAnteee;)
09:51.08AlexAnteee2.0 is close.
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09:51.39AlexAnteeewb MrSandman
09:51.46MrSandmanmy connection suxs
09:51.48MrSandmanxd
09:51.51AlexAnteeei see
09:51.54MrSandmanhehe
09:52.00AlexAnteeewell, I take your showing up here as an Omen.
09:52.00keyraMrSandman: The first thing to do if anything sucks is to report it to http://bugs.elivecd.org ! Or do you think things might get fixed magically without anybody knowing??
09:52.03MrSandmanim testion chrome on elive
09:52.08MrSandmanseems to works fine
09:52.08AlexAnteee2.0 is close.
09:52.29MrSandmankeyra, bot
09:52.43keyraMrSandman: bot
09:52.47MrSandmanhahahaha
09:52.48MrSandmannaaa
09:52.56MrSandmankeyra, its a real bot
09:52.57MrSandman:P
09:53.35AlexAnteeewowwww.... just finished a big dist-upgrade.
09:53.50keyraAlexAnteee: if you want to upgrade your elive system to a newest one without reinstall, this is not totally possible... because a lot of features are added in the 'process' (boot, configurations, detections, updates, install features, etc) and not just the packages, read the changelog of the releases so you can see the new features added and decide what you do
09:54.39MrSandmanhaahha, caution AlexAnteee ^^ and cross ur fingers
09:54.41MrSandman:D
09:54.46AlexAnteeewhy?
09:55.01MrSandmanfull distro upgrade is dangerouse
09:55.02MrSandman^
09:55.16AlexAnteeeis it?
09:55.35MrSandmanlook the bot message ( keyra )
09:55.50keyraMrSandman: you think so?
09:55.52AlexAnteeei dont see her crap anymore
09:56.19MrSandmankeyra, is abot helper
09:56.20AlexAnteeeignoring keyra
09:56.33keyraMrSandman: you think so?
09:56.39MrSandman<AlexAnteee> wowwww.... just finished a big dist-upgrade.
09:56.39MrSandman<keyra> AlexAnteee: if you want to upgrade your elive system to a newest one without reinstall, this is not totally possible... because a lot of features are added in the 'process' (boot, configurations, detections, updates, install features, etc) and not just the packages, read the changelog of the releases so you can see the new features added and decide what you do
09:56.53keyraMrSandman: You can apt-get dist-upgrade and update SOME things of elive, but the only way to get all the new features is with a complete new iso
09:56.56AlexAnteeethats y im ignoring her.
09:57.45AlexAnteeeupgrades are important.
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10:34.27wasynytgood day people
10:36.59AlexAnteeehi wasynyt
10:37.32AlexAnteeeI just read about chrome OS
10:37.34wasynythow are you doing AlexAnteee
10:37.48wasynytinstalled jolicloud on his eee
10:38.03AlexAnteeethey say its going to be a windows-system with a linux-kernel!?!? How should that work???
10:38.13wasynytreally?
10:38.27AlexAnteeethats what i just read
10:38.29wasynytwell if they port windows userland on top of linux kernel it will work
10:38.41wasynytand i guess it might work rather well
10:38.56AlexAnteeewowowow
10:39.15AlexAnteeeand its also going to be open source.
10:39.24wasynyt?
10:39.31wasynytwell that is something i doubt
10:40.22wasynytbut it might be a windows compatiple operating system
10:40.39wasynytand it could be build using microsfts dev tools
10:40.43wasynytand libaries
10:40.50wasynythmmms
10:41.56AlexAnteeewell, we will see.
10:42.32AlexAnteeeit is said to be available 2nd half of 2010.
10:42.33wasynytsounds very interesting
10:45.33AlexAnteeewell, that could really endanger microsofts monopoly.
10:45.59wasynytyeah
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11:13.49AlexAnteeewasynyt, ping
11:14.43AlexAnteeeyou got some knowledge concerning flash?
11:14.46wasynytAlexAnteee, pong
11:15.09wasynytknowledge ? what kind of
11:16.36AlexAnteeewell, there is this game, machinarium. Its a flash based game. Its demo works very nice in a browser. But its full version has some problems (bad working mouse input)
11:17.22AlexAnteeeso i thought its a problem with flash
11:17.51AlexAnteeethe demo is here www.machinarium.net
11:18.04wasynythmm
11:18.47AlexAnteeethink iceweasel uses something else but adobe flashplayer 10
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11:22.25AlexAnteeebut i dont know how to solve that
11:22.43garouhello
11:22.52AlexAnteeehi garou
11:23.15garoucan someone help me?
11:23.29garoui am trying
11:23.33garouto get
11:23.48garoua dowload code
11:23.52garoufrom elive
11:24.09garouand i can´t send an email
11:24.28garouto anybody in the email list
11:24.31garou:(
11:24.33AlexAnteeeemail?
11:24.38garouyes
11:24.54AlexAnteeeu want to get gem, i guess?
11:25.57garouyes
11:26.08garouby a downloead code
11:26.10garouor course
11:26.16garoudownload*
11:27.33MrSandmango to elivecd.org page and put the install code in the checkbox for download the licence
11:27.48keyraMrSandman: Elive Gem roolz! I hope you are using the one from the website of Elive... apparently a modified ISO exists on the net with porn, adds, and crappy things, maybe that hacked ISO removes all your hard disk  lol
11:28.21garouMrSandman i don´t have a download code
11:28.22garouxD
11:28.46MrSandmanwhen the install ask to u for a licence, they give u a code
11:29.19garouwhen i install the unstable version?
11:29.21MrSandmaninstaller*
11:29.25MrSandmanyes
11:31.06garouso when i intall te unstable version, the installer gives a download code for the stable version?
11:31.12garouthe*
11:31.23MrSandmanthe unstable version of elive is more stable than elivegem 1.0 coz unstable version is 1.9.51
11:31.37garouahm
11:31.39MrSandmandownload the unstable version
11:31.44garouok ok
11:31.47MrSandman:P
11:32.10garouthanks ^^
11:32.20MrSandmanbut if u wana be a donator, u're welcoe :)
11:32.34MrSandmanhard work code this distro :)
11:32.45garoui supose
11:33.17garouwell, thanks and bye
11:33.19MrSandmankeyra, compiz install
11:33.23MrSandmannp mate,
11:33.30MrSandmancompiz install keyra
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12:36.06WizardMrSandman bring me a dreaaaam!
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12:39.25Elive_user75_enhi
12:39.39Elive_user75_enany1 can help me plz
12:41.31Elive_user75_enhello
12:41.35Elive_user75_en????
12:41.59Elive_user75_eni have a big problem with elive
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12:59.11MrSandmangood day guys
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13:10.56evryanzhello
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13:23.13AlexAnteMachinahey MrSandman
13:23.29MrSandmanyo AlexAnteMachina
13:23.39AlexAnteMachinaõ/
13:24.40MrSandmanim trying to enable ecomorph, but have no look with ati catalyst drivers ><
13:25.07AlexAnteMachinais using nvidia and has no problems
13:25.12AlexAnteMachina:)
13:25.18MrSandmannow im trying openCL ati-amd developer drivers
13:25.27MrSandmanyes, nvidia works fine
13:25.43AlexAnteMachinajust a minute.... ill be right back...
13:25.48MrSandmanoki
13:25.52MrSandmanme too
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13:45.33Elive_user51_deupgrade elive
13:45.48keyraElive_user51_de: if you want to upgrade your elive system to a newest one without reinstall, this is not totally possible... because a lot of features are added in the 'process' (boot, configurations, detections, updates, install features, etc) and not just the packages, read the changelog of the releases so you can see the new features added and decide what you do
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16:12.59Wizardhi!
16:15.39evryanzHello!
16:16.11evryanzI want to install something on an old Presario 1805, and I think I will install elive.
16:16.52evryanzBut I don't know what it's better to take: the 1.0 stable or the 1.9.51 testing?
16:20.32evryanzBecause it's only a Pentium II 200 Mhz and 96 MB of RAM...
16:25.10Wizardlol, i think elive may not save your ass :P
16:25.30evryanzô_O
16:25.52Wizardtry both, but you may have troubles with booting livecd
16:26.08evryanzYou mean I should use this Debian without any GUI on this computer?
16:26.22keyraevryanz: Debian is the SH%$T my friend !
16:26.26Wizardwhy without gui?
16:26.42Wizardi said you may have problems with running livecd, it needs ram
16:26.43evryanzkeyra: Why? Debian is the best operating system ever...
16:26.53Wizardevryanz: keyara is a bot
16:26.55evryanzWizard: Now it is running...
16:27.08Wizardnah, than just install :D
16:27.31Wizarde17 is not very resource hungry
16:27.52Wizardand if you disable few deamons elive may run smoothly
16:27.56evryanzYes but I mean, maybe the newest testing release is better than this one?
16:28.14Wizardmaybe, i haven't test it for long time
16:28.22Wizardi mean, i don't ues elive anymore :P
16:28.57evryanzAh! ^^
16:29.12evryanzMaybe someone else has an idea?
16:29.32evryanz(I understand that my name is "Someone Else" but, someone else else? :D)
16:31.26evryanzSo I launch the test before install, and we look after.
16:31.39Wizardtest?
16:31.45Wizardwhat test?
16:32.17evryanzThe test which checks the quality of the system, like it said...
16:32.27MrSandman???
16:32.29evryanzOf the hardware I mean...
16:32.42MrSandmanthis not win vista
16:32.44MrSandmanxd
16:33.02evryanz(Hard to think in french and then speak in english because I'm russian...)
16:33.11MrSandmanim spanish
16:33.12MrSandman:P
16:34.12MrSandmanu cant do a test before, coz live mode is to slow than hd install
16:34.16MrSandmani think :P
16:34.27Wizardтест
16:34.27evryanzI think that too.
16:34.36evryanzWizard: ^^
16:35.30Wizardwill need help with russian
16:35.32Wizard:P
16:35.38MrSandmanhehe
16:35.44evryanz"Your Elive system is in perfect state."
16:35.51MrSandmanhehe
16:35.52MrSandman:D
16:36.05Wizardi have a nice song
16:36.08evryanz"Votre système Elive est en parfait état."
16:36.21Wizardlol
16:36.24MrSandman"tu sistema elive funciona de puta madre"
16:36.24Wizardwhy in french?
16:36.35WizardTwój system jest w doskonałym stanie
16:36.41MrSandmanjesus crist
16:36.42MrSandmanxd
16:36.51evryanzWizard: Polak? :p
16:36.54Wizardtak
16:37.03Wizardnas wszędzie pełno :P
16:37.12WizardMrSandman: what?
16:37.14Wizard:P
16:37.16MrSandmanOo'
16:37.28MrSandmanhehe
16:37.36Wizarddo you have something against my beautiful language?
16:37.42Wizard:P
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16:37.47MrSandmani dont understad nothing ^
16:37.49MrSandman^^
16:38.05evryanzHe said that there is many "polaks" around, or something like this.
16:38.18evryanz:D
16:38.22MrSandmanhehe
16:38.44evryanzSo, now I think if I format the HDD or not...
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16:39.46MrSandmanmm i have one question i have installed the last developer amd glx drivers, but now i have a fucked whatermark in my desktop, any1 know how delete it ???
16:39.53evryanzHmmm... He doesn't want to delete my old swap...
16:40.13MrSandmanwhy u need to format?
16:40.42evryanzI already have Debian installed.
16:40.49evryanzBut without GUI
16:40.56keyraevryanz: Debian is the SH%$T my friend !
16:41.15evryanzkeyra: You are the sh*t, and not Debian!
16:41.17MrSandmanstufu keyra bot
16:41.18MrSandmanxd
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16:41.32keyraMrSandman: bot
16:41.32she_dyedtv
16:41.35evryanzeggdrop?
16:41.36MrSandmanhahaha
16:41.39MrSandmansure
16:41.49MrSandmanyeah keyra is a bot
16:41.54MrSandmanlook
16:41.57MrSandmankeyra bot
16:42.04keyraMrSandman: you think so?
16:42.10MrSandmankeyra, bot
16:42.32evryanzkeyra: Are you a bot?
16:42.32MrSandmankeyra, bot
16:42.41evryanzkeyra: Are you a robot?
16:42.42MrSandmanxdd
16:42.46keyraevryanz: me?
16:42.51evryanzkeyra: Yeah
16:42.56MrSandmanxd
16:42.59Wizard:]
16:43.06Wizardkeyra: will you marry me?
16:43.20keyraWizard: mmmh... let me think... ;)
16:43.30MrSandmankeyra, fuck your self :D hahaha
16:43.31evryanzHey, how to shut down this elive? ^^'
16:43.44Wizardthere's shutdown in menu
16:43.44keyraMrSandman: put your bad words in your ass!
16:43.48MrSandmanjust reboot ^^
16:43.51MrSandmanhahaha
16:43.58keyraWizard: open a terminal and run: enlightenment_remote -module-load syscon ; enlightenment_remote -module-enable syscon ; enlightenment_remote -restart
16:43.58MrSandmankeyra, i love u, u know
16:44.13keyraMrSandman: I love you too :)
16:44.19evryanzAh, I was looking in the right button menu...
16:44.23MrSandman^^
16:44.40Wizardkeyra is cheating me :'(
16:44.55MrSandmanif u wana restar x server, just press ctrl+alt+backspace
16:45.03evryanzThere's something wrong with the adapter!
16:45.33evryanzHe says that he gives 24 V, and I need just 19 V...
16:45.45MrSandmaneing???
16:45.50MrSandmanwhat's up??
16:45.55MrSandmanim lost
16:45.56MrSandman:D
16:46.27evryanzNo, there is too much electricity...
16:46.36MrSandmanmm i have one question i have installed the last developer amd glx drivers, but now i have a fucked whatermark in my desktop, any1 know how delete it ???
16:46.47she_dyedwhat kind?
16:47.01MrSandmanif any1 know thw answer,, just post it >< ¯_^
16:47.08she_dyedthe nvidia logo?
16:47.20MrSandmani have an ATI graphics card
16:47.34she_dyedtry enlightenment, restart
16:47.34MrSandmanbut i have installed the native drivers
16:47.37MrSandmanna na
16:47.47she_dyedthis is asa?
16:48.03MrSandmani have the developer driver
16:48.20she_dyedhow are the effects?
16:48.30MrSandmanopenCL for parallel processing coding
16:48.43MrSandmancpu+gpu
16:49.14evryanzGPU? Someone is using GPUs here? :D
16:49.27MrSandmanme
16:49.49evryanzWhat do you do with that thing? xD
16:50.01MrSandmanxd
16:50.39evryanzYou have very hungry games?
16:50.40MrSandmannormaly im work in aix console, but in my house i wana see movies, youtube, etc xD
16:50.58MrSandmanopencl is not for play :P
16:51.13MrSandmanis C coding for gpu
16:51.20MrSandman:P
16:52.04MrSandmanits like nvidia cuda or intel havoc
16:52.05MrSandmanhttp://developer.amd.com/gpu/ATIStreamSDKBetaProgram/Pages/default.aspx
16:53.28MrSandmancopy&paste;
16:53.29MrSandmanATI Stream technology is a set of advanced hardware and software technologies that enable AMD graphics processors (GPU), working in concert with the system’s central processor (CPU), to accelerate many applications beyond just graphics. This enables better balanced platforms capable of running demanding computing tasks faster than ever
16:53.42keyraMrSandman: for copy and paste any text, just highlight it with the mouse, and paste with the middle button of the mouse, if you don't have a middle button, press left and right buttons at the same time
16:53.54MrSandmanlol keyra xD
16:54.14MrSandmani use midle button :P fucking bot ¯_^
16:54.29she_dyedthats bada$$
16:54.36MrSandmanhehe
16:54.41MrSandmanhi she_dyed :)
16:54.49she_dyedhi MrSandman
16:55.06MrSandmanj/k with my lovely bot
16:55.09she_dyedis there a deb just to get graphics to work
16:55.12she_dyedon ati
16:55.25evryanzAnd where is the middle button on the trackpad?
16:55.27she_dyedfor elive maybe, i see an ubuntu package
16:55.53evryanzkeyra: Where is the middle button on the trackpad?
16:55.55evryanz:p
16:55.56MrSandmanjust for work, already i have a nice stability with the amd drivers
16:56.43MrSandmanbut they give me a very big whatermark in the down left corner
16:56.54MrSandmanoverlayed
16:57.18she_dyeda logo? of what heh heh
16:57.22MrSandmanlogo
16:57.23MrSandman^
16:57.32MrSandmanAMD Teesting use only
16:57.37MrSandmanvery big logo
16:57.38MrSandmanxd
17:00.21MrSandmanthis drivers is openCL capable, but the normal native amd/ati driver, not are implemented yes :/
17:00.29MrSandmanyet*
17:01.04MrSandmanbrb 2 minuts
17:01.53MrSandmanback :/
17:03.23MrSandmanPacma, estas?
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17:08.02she_dyedmaybe all you need is showlogo 'false'
17:08.51she_dyedor something in xorg.conf
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17:10.55MrSandmanmmmm
17:12.09Wizardyawns
17:12.37MrSandmanxd
17:13.02MrSandmani need to reboot , brb :=)
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20:07.25Wizardhi!
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