irclog2html for #elive on 20070108

`00:00.37`	`GPLGeek`	`it seems to work flawlessly`
`00:00.51`	`Toothpick`	`I've got something wrong then on this lappy instal.`
`00:01.05`	`Toothpick`	`You installed from livecd?`
`00:01.20`	`GPLGeek`	`ya`
`00:01.31`	`Toothpick`	`Thanks for taking the time to check.`
`00:02.08`	`Toothpick`	`I'm thinking of just installing testing and reading some faqs on getting e working, it's just so polished already with the elive cd.`
`00:02.11`	`GPLGeek`	`let me also update with tests branch`
`00:03.02`	`GPLGeek`	`well apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and see if that fixes it`
`00:03.18`	`Toothpick`	`fixes it? or breaks it?`
`00:03.29`	`GPLGeek`	`well, there are new packages every day`
`00:03.35`	`Toothpick`	`True`
`00:04.05`	`GPLGeek`	`if you just install rl2 from the cd to your hard drive, and apt-get install democracyplayer it will work`
`00:04.10`	`GPLGeek`	`on ati and nvidia systems`
`00:04.34`	`GPLGeek`	`right now im testing the "tests" which is latest version of elive components`
`00:04.55`	`trog`	`who maintains the tests repo ?`
`00:05.02`	`GPLGeek`	`thanatermesis`
`00:05.04`	`Toothpick`	`I did install from rl2 to the hd and did apt-get install democracyplayer and I get python errors`
`00:05.38`	`GPLGeek`	`did you check your cd first for errors?`
`00:05.50`	`Toothpick`	`Traceback (most recent call last):`
`00:05.51`	`Toothpick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:05.51`	`Toothpick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:06.02`	`Toothpick`	`That I did no do GPLGeek`
`00:06.20`	`Toothpick`	`I am on that machine right now though...I guess it is possible everything seems to work but one thing.`
`00:06.38`	`Toothpick`	`Well actually I did because on the install the program checks the cd on its own.`
`00:06.42`	`GPLGeek`	`give me a minute`
`00:07.05`	`Toothpick`	`Unpacking democracyplayer (from .../democracyplayer_0.9.1-1_i386.deb) ...`
`00:07.05`	`Toothpick`	`Setting up democracyplayer-data (0.9.1-1) ...`
`00:07.05`	`Toothpick`	`Setting up democracyplayer (0.9.1-1) ...`
`00:07.10`	`Toothpick`	`That's the versoin`
`00:08.58`	`GPLGeek`	`why dont we just download the 9.2 source tarball and compile it?`
`00:09.45`	`Toothpick`	`I'd be content with the .9.1 if it was working on the alppy`
`00:09.55`	`GPLGeek`	`Toothpick, oh its not a elive problem`
`00:10.10`	`Elive`	`omg`
`00:10.15`	`Elive`	`i have to change my nick`
`00:10.17`	`Elive`	`:p`
`00:10.20`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`00:10.23`	`GPLGeek`	`there are a few problems with how demo calls things.`
`00:10.46`	`Toothpick`	`GPLGeek, something is strange though (not with elive) that it is working for you but not me.`
`00:11.10`	`LinuxNIT`	`Toothpick: did you run apt-get update?`
`00:11.27`	`Toothpick`	`I have run it LinuxNIT`
`00:11.30`	`Dartho`	`done`
`00:11.33`	`Dartho`	`:p`
`00:11.51`	`GPLGeek`	`im watching a video right now with it`
`00:12.05`	`Toothpick`	`I'm not sure if I ran it the first time I did apt-get install democracyplayer but I'm confident I did because I don't think it would have known it existed unless the live cd keeps a cache of packages available.`
`00:12.10`	`LinuxNIT`	`what is the next line in the error msg after import gtcache`
`00:12.33`	`Toothpick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:12.33`	`Toothpick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:13.01`	`GPLGeek`	`ya thats a problem if the version of democracy`
`00:13.04`	`LinuxNIT`	`put the whole thing in pastebin.ca`
`00:13.16`	`LinuxNIT`	`a coding error some where`
`00:13.49`	`GPLGeek`	`its a known issue`
`00:14.03`	`GPLGeek`	`which is why we need to compile from source`
`00:14.14`	`LinuxNIT`	`compile python?`
`00:14.21`	`GPLGeek`	`http://www.getdemocracy.com/downloads/ upper right hand corner`
`00:14.25`	`GPLGeek`	`no democracy`
`00:14.37`	`GPLGeek`	`LinuxNIT, these are all "known issues" of the video player`
`00:14.40`	`Toothpick`	`http://pastebin.ca/309798`
`00:14.51`	`LinuxNIT`	`ok but you dont compile python`
`00:14.55`	`LinuxNIT`	`ok but you dont compile python programs`
`00:15.20`	`LinuxNIT`	`least not that i know of`
`00:15.26`	`GPLGeek`	`well`
`00:15.45`	`GPLGeek`	`the cached news letter said you need to "build from source"`
`00:16.08`	`Toothpick`	`Well does it make any sense that it is working on your machine and not mine GPLGeek ?`
`00:16.18`	`GPLGeek`	`yes`
`00:16.23`	`GPLGeek`	`my machine is better`
`00:16.31`	`GPLGeek`	`and has magical powers`
`00:16.34`	`GPLGeek`	`everyone knows that`
`00:16.37`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`00:16.54`	`GPLGeek`	`You'd think people would learn..... ffs`
`00:17.21`	`GPLGeek`	`what exactly are you doing when this error occurs`
`00:17.27`	`GPLGeek`	`and what TYPE of movie are you dealing with`
`00:17.35`	`Toothpick`	`it never loads on the laptop`
`00:17.40`	`GPLGeek`	`wow`
`00:17.43`	`Toothpick`	`it just has that error message visit the link you'll see`
`00:17.55`	`GPLGeek`	`I think it may have been a PEBKAC`
`00:18.14`	`Toothpick`	`and another thing I can[t believe chromium is gone...that was always my first install to test opengl`
`00:18.43`	`GPLGeek`	`heck, it even works in vmware`
`00:21.13`	`GPLGeek`	`http://elivedev.org/demo.jpg`
`00:21.20`	`GPLGeek`	`it even works in vmware with no lag`
`00:21.22`	`GPLGeek`	`or problems`
`00:21.53`	`GPLGeek`	`i guess he didnt mean rebuild from source he just meant install from source`
`00:22.06`	`GPLGeek`	`and btw, you can compile python ive done it`
`00:22.49`	`GPLGeek`	`Toothpick, just wondering, if using or not using su command before running the player changes the outcome`
`00:23.21`	`GPLGeek`	`i wonder if some permissions problem happened somewhere`
`00:23.34`	`Toothpick`	`GPLGeek, no`
`00:24.18`	`GPLGeek`	`ok then, you should try to reinstall elive and then install demo player again`
`00:24.32`	`GPLGeek`	`because it works on my ati, nvidia, and vmware systems no problems`
`00:24.46`	`Toothpick`	`maybe I'll just change all my sources to unstable and do an apt-get dist-upgrade`
`00:24.50`	`GPLGeek`	`and it seems most those issues were cleared up by this version`
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`00:31.51`	`Toothpick`	`this will probably break my sytem, but oh well, nothing needed that isn't on the /home partition anywho.`
`00:40.08`	`Toothpick`	`gnight all`
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`00:49.53`	`Toothpick`	`Well the sid upgrade worked, but democracy player still fails`
`00:49.54`	`Toothpick`	`oh well`
`00:50.07`	`Toothpick`	`I'll try dist-upgrade now`
`00:51.09`	`Toothpick`	`I'll see if source for .92 works`
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`02:06.36`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`hey revdjenk`
`02:07.26`	`revdjenk`	`hey need some quick help... reverted to .5 and login won't recognize user/pswd... what is that trick again?`
`02:07.44`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`can you log in as root?`
`02:08.09`	`revdjenk`	`yes, I am in xchat as root even!`
`02:08.15`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`ack`
`02:08.16`	`revdjenk`	`hee hee`
`02:08.21`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`ok open terminal`
`02:08.23`	`revdjenk`	`the only way to do it`
`02:08.25`	`revdjenk`	`yep`
`02:08.30`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`run: passwd username`
`02:09.23`	`revdjenk`	`says unknown passwd`
`02:09.32`	`revdjenk`	`sorry unknown user`
`02:09.54`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`well then when you reinstalled you must have typed the username wrong`
`02:09.59`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`open users-admin`
`02:10.16`	`revdjenk`	`k`
`02:10.46`	`revdjenk`	`ready`
`02:10.56`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`is your username in there?`
`02:11.04`	`revdjenk`	`blank, all blank`
`02:11.27`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`that could be a problem`
`02:11.28`	`revdjenk`	`goto add user`
`02:11.34`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`sounds like a plan`
`02:11.41`	`revdjenk`	`remember going from .6 back to .5`
`02:12.07`	`revdjenk`	`k`
`02:13.32`	`revdjenk`	`let me get out of this and try on the non-root side`
`02:13.47`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`k`
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`02:14.57`	`revdjenk`	`LinuxNIT-II, you a the caped crusader!`
`02:15.01`	`revdjenk`	`yippee`
`02:15.04`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`:)`
`02:15.05`	`revdjenk`	`back in...`
`02:15.11`	`revdjenk`	`I wrote that all down`
`02:15.25`	`revdjenk`	`I'm going back to .5 to regain wireless...`
`02:15.30`	`revdjenk`	`:(`
`02:16.10`	`revdjenk`	`You should go to the bug report #56 or 57 and see my trouble with v.5.1 thru .6 and wireless`
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`02:23.59`	`revduhjenk`	`LinuxNIT-II, back and on wireless`
`02:24.02`	`revduhjenk`	`:)`
`02:24.11`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`nice isnt it`
`02:24.12`	`revduhjenk`	`that simple`
`02:24.14`	`revduhjenk`	`yep`
`02:24.29`	`revduhjenk`	`took about three times through the activator though`
`02:25.27`	`revduhjenk`	`but I can wander again... pooh, but I had a few other niceties w/.6 that I was diggin' ... like the touchpad scroll edge was working`
`02:25.40`	`revduhjenk`	`but I can wander again... pooh, but I had a few other niceties w/.6 that I was diggin' ... like the touchpad scroll edge was working`
`02:25.57`	`revduhjenk`	`whoa, that wuz weird`
`02:26.19`	`revduhjenk`	`but alas, no audio...again`
`02:26.50`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`you can add the scroll function to your xorg.conf`
`02:26.58`	`revduhjenk`	`ah`
`02:27.41`	`revduhjenk`	`I am sure YOU could... hee hee`
`02:28.04`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Synaptics_Touchpad`
`02:28.21`	`revduhjenk`	`gentoo wiki?`
`02:28.32`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`yeah why not?`
`02:28.37`	`revduhjenk`	`heh`
`02:28.40`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`gentoo has great documentation`
`02:28.43`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`its all linux`
`02:28.44`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`:)`
`02:28.47`	`revduhjenk`	`:)`
`02:29.08`	`revduhjenk`	`huh, just d/l esound mixer and sound!!!`
`02:29.27`	`revduhjenk`	`well, maybe not`
`02:29.27`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`only part you really need to look at is the Section "Input device"`
`02:29.33`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`and see the options`
`02:30.38`	`revduhjenk`	`i guess they WOULD need good docs, to get gentoo working!`
`02:30.46`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`hehe`
`02:31.22`	`revduhjenk`	`in my frustration, I was looking at sabayon and korarra... at least they have installers`
`02:31.56`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`so does gentoo`
`02:31.59`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`its called the user`
`02:32.09`	`revduhjenk`	`this is weird, I have xmms working, but the elpanel doesn't do the 'elive' thing`
`02:32.22`	`revduhjenk`	`hee hee 'called the user'`
`02:33.19`	`revduhjenk`	`<LinuxNIT-II> its called the user`
`02:33.26`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`:)`
`02:33.32`	`revduhjenk`	`hey, just learned how to do that!!!!`
`02:33.36`	`revduhjenk`	`midd click`
`02:33.38`	`revduhjenk`	`duh`
`02:34.05`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`you can do it with a two finger tap on your touchpad too`
`02:34.40`	`revduhjenk`	`nah, now it isn't working`
`02:34.54`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`what isnt`
`02:35.13`	`revduhjenk`	`<LinuxNIT-II> what isnt`
`02:35.28`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`<revduhjenk> <LinuxNIT-II> what isnt`
`02:35.30`	`revduhjenk`	`nah, double tap doesn't work for me`
`02:35.40`	`revduhjenk`	`<LinuxNIT-II> <revduhjenk> <LinuxNIT-II> what isnt`
`02:35.40`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`no not double tap`
`02:35.47`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`its not a double tap`
`02:35.54`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`its a two-finger tap`
`02:36.01`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`two fingers at the same time`
`02:36.40`	`revduhjenk`	`nope`
`02:37.08`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`yeah it does`
`02:37.14`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`you just need to practive`
`02:37.17`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`you just need to practice`
`02:37.19`	`revduhjenk`	`unless you mean both 'buttons' at the same time`
`02:37.25`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`takes a bit to get the hang of it`
`02:37.28`	`revduhjenk`	`oh, no!!! more practice`
`02:37.34`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`but once you do its pretty easy`
`02:37.59`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`so hit the pad with your pointer finger and middle finger at exactly the same time ;)`
`02:38.41`	`revduhjenk`	`I'm going to wear this thing out!`
`02:38.42`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`that and the simulteneous left and right click and the middle click are all the same`
`02:38.45`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`lol`
`02:39.00`	`revduhjenk`	`I'll stick to the buttons`
`02:39.00`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`dont HIT!!! it just a light tap ;)`
`02:39.07`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`:D`
`02:39.36`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`once you get that down move to the three-finger tap (3 fingers at the same time) for a right click ;)`
`02:39.40`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`:-D`
`02:39.53`	`revduhjenk`	`I'm doing a one-finger tap...right now`
`02:39.58`	`revduhjenk`	`hee hee`
`02:40.13`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`lol`
`02:40.36`	`revduhjenk`	`you highlight first, of course, right?`
`02:40.47`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`yes`
`02:41.20`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`you can do that by doing a "double tap"(two taps in a row) and holding the last one.`
`02:41.26`	`revduhjenk`	`nah, I'll ahve to keep practicing...`
`02:41.30`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`then moving the cursor`
`02:43.35`	`revduhjenk`	`I'd rather compile gentoo, than keep doing this!!!`
`02:44.12`	`revduhjenk`	`maybe, it is the synaptic driver update that I need`
`02:44.14`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`lol`
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`02:45.52`	`revduhjenk`	`well, I'm going to go reclaim and reset all my apps... and go rooting around /root hee hee`
`02:46.01`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`lol`
`02:46.12`	`revduhjenk`	`thnx for all the help...and I'll see you later....`
`02:46.41`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`laters`
`02:46.53`	`revduhjenk`	`God Bless`
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`03:08.15`	`elmo44`	`glad_2b_elive: you glad?`
`03:08.24`	`glad_2b_elive`	`you bet`
`03:09.13`	`glad_2b_elive`	`how bout you ... happy?`
`03:10.19`	`glad_2b_elive`	`I've been playing with the new Dream Linux`
`03:10.51`	`glad_2b_elive`	`its not that great`
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`03:24.34`	`glad_2b_elive`	`gee ... I think it worked ... got xchat to work through tor`
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`03:51.56`	`elmo44`	`tor?`
`03:52.08`	`elmo44`	`wtf is Dream Linux?`
`03:55.13`	`glad_2b_elive`	`tor = anonymous proxy and Dream is another distro`
`03:55.45`	`elmo44`	`ah, tor... the 'onion' thing?`
`03:55.46`	`elmo44`	`;)`
`03:55.54`	`glad_2b_elive`	`thats it`
`03:55.58`	`elmo44`	`and dream is brazilian based, i dont speak portugues ;)`
`03:56.11`	`glad_2b_elive`	`ya ... it is`
`03:56.21`	`glad_2b_elive`	`not near as nice as elive`
`03:56.46`	`glad_2b_elive`	`elive is made in Quebec isn't it?`
`03:56.47`	`elmo44`	`it has morphix in it...`
`03:56.58`	`elmo44`	`umm, not that i know of.`
`03:56.59`	`glad_2b_elive`	`yes`
`03:57.22`	`elmo44`	`dream uses xfce, not bad choice ;)`
`03:57.55`	`glad_2b_elive`	`it has some interesting stuff. I may play with the distro builder sometime`
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`04:07.55`	`elmo44`	`anyone use irssi? if so, then you may also like weechat http://weechat.flashtux.org/`
`04:08.41`	`glad_2b_elive`	`how do I mount other partitions in elive? I'm not sure I'm using the mounter unmounter tool right`
`04:08.44`	`Elive_user53`	`i played with dream last night. i like xfce. what other distros use xfce by default? is engage part of xfce?`
`04:09.03`	`Elive_user53`	`xubuntu?`
`04:09.03`	`elmo44`	`xfld uses xfce`
`04:09.18`	`glad_2b_elive`	`zenwalk`
`04:09.47`	`glad_2b_elive`	`zenwalk is cool but like any slack wireless support sucks`
`04:10.13`	`Elive_user53`	`i'm wired, so no prob there`
`04:10.44`	`glad_2b_elive`	`i'm only wireless so this limits me in distro choices`
`04:11.09`	`glad_2b_elive`	`fedora and its offspring do not work either`
`04:11.18`	`Elive_user53`	`ouch`
`04:11.54`	`glad_2b_elive`	`slack and fedora just don't care about wireless`
`04:12.14`	`glad_2b_elive`	`mandriva dosn't support wireless in the free versions either`
`04:12.52`	`elmo44`	`i know what you mean`
`04:12.59`	`Elive_user53`	`wow, that is limited. i never realized`
`04:13.00`	`elmo44`	`seems like wifi is only for the limited!!`
`04:13.03`	`elmo44`	`what wifi card?`
`04:13.46`	`glad_2b_elive`	`I've got a dlink with the artheros chip`
`04:14.06`	`elmo44`	`so the madwifi driver should work... MANY distros offer that support!!`
`04:15.00`	`elmo44`	`ever try MEPIS ?`
`04:15.30`	`glad_2b_elive`	`mepis works fine`
`04:15.39`	`glad_2b_elive`	`kanotix and pclos work fine`
`04:15.43`	`glad_2b_elive`	`elive works fine`
`04:16.28`	`glad_2b_elive`	`kanotix is nice ... anyone using the newest beta? Its fast for kde`
`04:18.02`	`glad_2b_elive`	`trouble with only having wireless ... its hard to use a package mangager to install madwifi , ndswrapper etc`
`04:19.03`	`glad_2b_elive`	`sure ... i could download the packages and install them separately from a nother distro`
`04:19.13`	`glad_2b_elive`	`but what a pain`
`04:20.45`	`glad_2b_elive`	`sometimes you just want stuff to work. I can remember when nvidia driver installs were a nightmare ... now they are easy in most distros`
`04:21.25`	`elmo44`	`true`
`04:21.46`	`elmo44`	`eLive, and older MEPIS 3.4 were the only ones that had ipw2200 working!`
`04:22.53`	`glad_2b_elive`	`I've always liked Mepis. I always install the new versions.`
`04:23.47`	`glad_2b_elive`	`i think pclos is coming out with something surprising soon too`
`04:24.15`	`glad_2b_elive`	`they've been working on a new release for months and its top secret`
`04:24.33`	`Elive_user53`	`cool, can't wait for that`
`04:27.12`	`glad_2b_elive`	`yep ... its good fun trying all these out`
`04:27.44`	`glad_2b_elive`	`my first distro was Mandrake 8.0`
`04:28.52`	`glad_2b_elive`	`i even bought the boxed version ... and I stupidly through out everything when we moved ... dumb ... could have been a collectors item someday`
`04:30.30`	`glad_2b_elive`	`I installed that thing about 10 times before I got it to work`
`04:31.18`	`GPLGeek`	`glad_2b_elive, I used to develop for mandrake/mandriva community`
`04:31.36`	`glad_2b_elive`	`wow .... good to meet you`
`04:31.42`	`GPLGeek`	`mandrake/mandriva project was mad at me because I made a updater and repositories that made the free version work better than the paid version`
`04:31.54`	`glad_2b_elive`	`oh no`
`04:31.57`	`GPLGeek`	`I dislike dealing with rpm's`
`04:32.01`	`GPLGeek`	`Debian is better`
`04:32.24`	`glad_2b_elive`	`debian works the best for me ... at least ... its offspring`
`04:32.35`	`GPLGeek`	`I started with slack, tried redhat didnt like it, mandrake/mandriva didnt like the fact that I offered my repositories for the software in rpm and deb`
`04:33.22`	`glad_2b_elive`	`mandriva is pretty commercial ... don't really blame them for trying to make a buck`
`04:33.49`	`GPLGeek`	`I've been all around, I even had a gentoo server for 2 years until it cought fire at a friends house, he then threw it out the window.... I dont know how he did that but...`
`04:34.32`	`glad_2b_elive`	`lol ... now gentoo is something else ... I have no luck with that beast ... I'm just not savvy enough for gentoo and slack`
`04:34.43`	`GPLGeek`	`I think its essential that some firms offer media-enabled licenced versions of linux, with full support packages, just to satisfy the corporate`
`04:35.05`	`glad_2b_elive`	`for sure`
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`04:39.30`	`glad_2b_elive`	`My boss is quite computer savvy as far as windows goes ... I was surprised to hear him say he had a copy of linux to try out ... I think the financial advantages intrigue him`
`04:43.37`	`Elive_user53`	`i'm slowly drifting away from my favorite message board because i can't get the folks to stop drinking that microsoft kool-aid.`
`04:43.54`	`Elive_user53`	`i need new friends, looool.`
`04:44.19`	`glad_2b_elive`	`i know what you mean ... if I mention linux to anyone I know ... they glaze over`
`04:44.46`	`Elive_user53`	`they really are poisioned`
`04:45.22`	`glad_2b_elive`	`its just ignorance. They think linux is for the ultimate geek or its black magic ...`
`04:46.13`	`PrinceAMD`	`true`
`04:46.58`	`Elive_user53`	`i even told them that i would send them cd's out of my pocket. it would only cost me a few cents for the cd`
`04:47.23`	`PrinceAMD`	`and?`
`04:47.31`	`Elive_user53`	`no takers`
`04:47.41`	`glad_2b_elive`	`its sad.`
`04:48.06`	`PrinceAMD`	`i was like that once`
`04:48.10`	`glad_2b_elive`	`I've not had one convert in over 6 years of linux`
`04:48.13`	`PrinceAMD`	`talking up about windows`
`04:48.39`	`PrinceAMD`	`but it keeps crashing and i hated that, and it uses alot of memory for no good reason`
`04:49.13`	`PrinceAMD`	`elive uses like 70MB ram on load up with e17 , windows xp uses over 120MB and still runs slower`
`04:49.40`	`Elive_user53`	`i hope they all buy new machines for that vista crapware so i can buy up all the old machines, looool`
`04:49.41`	`PrinceAMD`	`e17 is more eye candy tons of morer features than windows shell`
`04:49.53`	`glad_2b_elive`	`my neighbours machine crashed because of virus ... I think ... he reformatted and lost invaluble photos. I told him to have a data partition or to dual boot linux and he said he dosn't like partiions .. lol`
`04:49.54`	`PrinceAMD`	`:)`
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`04:52.02`	`glad_2b_elive`	`isn't that something ... I just shut up`
`04:54.20`	`glad_2b_elive`	`I used to think that would be a nice retirement hobby ... installing linux for people ... and helping them out just for something to do but I doubt it now.`
`04:54.21`	`PrinceAMD`	`lol`
`04:55.15`	`glad_2b_elive`	`even my own wife rolls her eyes when I start talking linux ... LOL`
`04:55.55`	`PrinceAMD`	`lol, same here with my GF she says i'm attached and needs to spend less time with it`
`04:56.08`	`PrinceAMD`	`i was like PAUSE!!!....... she didnt say that`
`04:56.13`	`glad_2b_elive`	`and I even catch her in Xp sometimes and I've warned her its going to go permanently if she screws it up`
`04:56.37`	`glad_2b_elive`	`oh no ... did she`
`04:57.15`	`glad_2b_elive`	`you got to find a linux girl ... lots of luck there`
`04:57.51`	`glad_2b_elive`	`I told my wife I wished I had someone to talk to about my interests`
`04:57.59`	`PrinceAMD`	`yes but a linux girl might be too advanced for me she might know more commands than me and that might some times turn me on and piss me off`
`04:58.06`	`PrinceAMD`	`LOL!!!`
`04:58.09`	`elmo44`	`i dropped off a couple discs at LinuxCaffe ;)`
`04:58.17`	`glad_2b_elive`	`LOL ... LOL`
`04:58.32`	`glad_2b_elive`	`did you elmo ... were they happy?`
`04:58.47`	`elmo44`	`ya, i guess`
`04:58.54`	`glad_2b_elive`	`cool`
`04:59.15`	`glad_2b_elive`	`hold it ... linuxcaffe?`
`04:59.35`	`glad_2b_elive`	`now that is something different`
`04:59.46`	`elmo44`	`in toronto`
`04:59.54`	`elmo44`	`linuxcaffe.org or soemthing`
`05:00.00`	`glad_2b_elive`	`right on`
`05:01.05`	`PrinceAMD`	`i took debian to my last work place, and installed it, they guy was afraid of GRUB`
`05:01.24`	`glad_2b_elive`	`LOL ... he thought grub was a worm ...LOL`
`05:01.37`	`PrinceAMD`	`he just sit there and watch it time up and load linux and reboot the pc all day`
`05:02.36`	`PrinceAMD`	`so i had to remove it`
`05:02.46`	`glad_2b_elive`	`oops ... I've got to run along ... early morns for me ... c yall tomorrow`
`05:03.54`	`PrinceAMD`	`elmo44, how is everything`
`05:07.36`	`elmo44`	`PrinceAMD: not bad`
`05:07.40`	`elmo44`	`afraid of grub??`
`05:10.36`	`PrinceAMD`	`yes they were`
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`05:32.33`	`elmo44`	`apt time`
`05:32.43`	`apt`	`2007.01.08 5:32:43 GMT`
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`06:57.15`	`sekoica_`	`where download Elive Elive_Revolution_rl2.iso`
`06:57.17`	`sekoica_`	`?`
`06:57.24`	`sekoica_`	`from fast network`
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`08:21.15`	`wizard123`	`hi all`
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`10:06.08`	`SuperpeZ`	`Buenos dias`
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`11:08.10`	`Pacma`	`buenos dias`
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`12:25.11`	`Elive_user48`	`hy`
`12:25.23`	`Elive_user48`	`hi`
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`13:04.35`	`Pacma`	`uno se marcha a comer`
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`13:06.58`	`SuperpeZ`	`yo tambien Pacma`
`13:07.00`	`SuperpeZ`	`que aproveche`
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`13:33.51`	`Detox`	`hey roxville!`
`13:33.54`	`Detox`	`morniong`
`13:33.58`	`Detox`	`morning`
`13:36.38`	`roxville`	`hey Detox how are ya?`
`13:36.55`	`Detox`	`gonna be busy in an a few`
`13:36.57`	`Detox`	`at wrok`
`13:37.08`	`Detox`	`but would you have some time later?`
`13:37.52`	`roxville`	`lol, someone saw a man mistreat his dog in sweden, but leaving him outside day and night, rain or shine...and told the authorities about it`
`13:38.20`	`roxville`	`so they called him...and...it was a porcelain dog :D`
`13:38.27`	`Detox`	`ha`
`13:38.50`	`Detox`	`poor porcelain dog`
`13:38.57`	`roxville`	`Detox, i don't know at this time... my wife is off work today, and...i can't promise anything... :/`
`13:39.04`	`Detox`	`no prob`
`13:39.10`	`roxville`	`sorry :/`
`13:39.23`	`Detox`	`jsut needed to know about the remote desktop on elpanel`
`13:39.42`	`roxville`	`the app is called x11vnc`
`13:40.02`	`Detox`	`how to configure it and exactly how it works ,, can it be ued wioth gnome remote desktop and when connectioin is broken remotely can you re log in later?`
`13:40.09`	`roxville`	`that's all i know`
`13:40.12`	`Detox`	`k`
`13:40.54`	`roxville`	`so look up x11vnc on sourceforge or something`
`13:44.42`	`Detox`	`good deal thanks`
`13:44.45`	`roxville`	`hehe, bill gates held a key note at CES in las vegas... the audience had to be TOLD to applaud!`
`13:44.47`	`Detox`	`you are swell!!`
`13:45.00`	`roxville`	`swell... hehe :)`
`13:49.17`	`Detox`	`found the docs`
`13:49.20`	`Detox`	`yahoooooo`
`13:49.26`	`Detox`	`now I can begin my day`
`13:49.37`	`Detox`	`probation assessments will now begin`
`13:49.41`	`Detox`	`cya later`
`13:50.02`	`roxville`	`ok dude, be good! :)`
`13:50.48`	`roxville`	`Rumored topic of the Dell keynote: “Dell’s desktops—now more beige than ever!”`
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`13:55.21`	`Elive_user1`	`Holaaa...`
`13:55.39`	`Elive_user1`	`Que hay de bueno?`
`13:56.19`	`Elive_user1`	`Hay alguien?`
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`14:01.08`	`Detox`	`hey roxville!!!!!!!`
`14:01.39`	`Detox`	`can u c meee?`
`14:02.41`	`Detox`	`can anyone see meee?`
`14:03.11`	`roxville`	`Detox, i see you`
`14:03.18`	`Detox`	`yahooooooooo`
`14:03.23`	`roxville`	`lol`
`14:03.25`	`Detox`	`you are the guy!!!!!!`
`14:03.38`	`roxville`	`why?`
`14:03.40`	`Detox`	`I am sitting two miles away from my pc`
`14:03.41`	`trog`	`happy new year :D`
`14:03.48`	`Detox`	`and typing this remotely`
`14:03.54`	`roxville`	`oh wow, cool!`
`14:04.15`	`roxville`	`<Detox> I am sitting two miles away from my brain`
`14:04.24`	`roxville`	`hmmm...`
`14:04.28`	`Detox`	`bcause,,, You, yes YOU were able to assist in the correct vnc stuff`
`14:04.35`	`trog`	`telepathy ? telekinezy ?`
`14:04.45`	`trog`	`oh...vnc :D my bad`
`14:04.49`	`roxville`	`or just vnc`
`14:04.55`	`roxville`	`hehe`
`14:05.26`	`Detox`	`I am on my win xp laptop, using the vnc you told me, and logged in to my Elive PC`
`14:05.36`	`Detox`	`and voil'a !!!!!`
`14:05.45`	`Detox`	`boy am I excited`
`14:05.54`	`Detox`	`have been struggling for a week on this`
`14:06.14`	`Detox`	`and in 46 seconds, you provide the wisdom to fix`
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`14:06.44`	`Detox`	`got to go,,,, first clietn is in`
`14:07.04`	`Detox`	`thanks a BIG BIG Thanks`
`14:07.04`	`trog`	`:)`
`14:07.18`	`Detox`	`signing off remote`
`14:07.24`	`roxville`	`ok :)`
`14:12.48`	`roxville`	`ok i gotta dig in on the laundry... afk`
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`14:54.30`	`PrinceAMD`	`good morning to all`
`14:58.55`	`trog`	`'morning`
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`15:00.24`	`PrinceAMD`	`trog, how are you?`
`15:01.25`	`trog`	`very happy these days :)`
`15:01.40`	`trog`	`started working again ....`
`15:01.57`	`PrinceAMD`	`:)`
`15:05.14`	`trog`	`check this out :) http://www.linux.edu/~trog/s0.jpg`
`15:06.15`	`PrinceAMD`	`ok`
`15:06.44`	`PrinceAMD`	`nice :)`
`15:06.59`	`PrinceAMD`	`animated desktop and so on`
`15:07.35`	`PrinceAMD`	`http://www.elivedev.org/princeamd/tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=2 check that trog`
`15:07.42`	`trog`	`yea :) its the one i like the best (its more like a subliminal animation), and it goes well with the theme`
`15:08.23`	`PrinceAMD`	`ok`
`15:09.12`	`Gwildor`	`http://www.elivedev.org/princeamd/tiki-browse_image.php?galleryId=2&sort_mode=created_desc&desp=1&offset=0&imageId=4`
`15:09.16`	`Gwildor`	`^^ what theme is this?`
`15:09.38`	`PrinceAMD`	`the Dark Theme i created`
`15:09.46`	`PrinceAMD`	`more like dark/red`
`15:10.04`	`Gwildor`	`oooh..`
`15:10.08`	`Gwildor`	`is it hard to make themes?`
`15:10.17`	`Gwildor`	`you turn off "drop shadow" module?`
`15:10.18`	`Gwildor`	`?`
`15:10.28`	`PrinceAMD`	`yes i did`
`15:10.31`	`trog`	`very nice :D`
`15:10.33`	`PrinceAMD`	`it uses up cpu`
`15:10.41`	`trog`	`me too...same reason`
`15:10.53`	`PrinceAMD`	`themes are not that hard to make`
`15:10.55`	`trog`	`its an older laptop ...`
`15:11.01`	`PrinceAMD`	`those 2 took me like 2-3weeks`
`15:11.33`	`Gwildor`	`oh...wow`
`15:11.35`	`PrinceAMD`	`i rather the one for e17 0.16.999.026 is has more effects`
`15:12.05`	`PrinceAMD`	`that's the screenshot with amsn chat box`
`15:12.45`	`Gwildor`	`ahhh...`
`15:12.48`	`Gwildor`	`it looks nice...`
`15:12.56`	`PrinceAMD`	`yep`
`15:13.08`	`Gwildor`	`only thing i dont like is mac style buttons (on the left)`
`15:13.13`	`PrinceAMD`	`i have to create one about warsow for get`
`15:13.24`	`PrinceAMD`	`oh...`
`15:13.24`	`Gwildor`	`:P`
`15:13.30`	`PrinceAMD`	`u can put it to the right :)`
`15:13.46`	`Gwildor`	`yeah, i only like (button on left) if im actually using mac-os`
`15:13.58`	`Gwildor`	`ooh, how hard would that be?`
`15:14.09`	`PrinceAMD`	`not hard`
`15:14.33`	`PrinceAMD`	`just right click on the border and change the settings or go in configuration panel`
`15:15.01`	`PrinceAMD`	`configuration panel>appearance>border :D`
`15:15.27`	`Gwildor`	`oooooh :D`
`15:15.34`	`Gwildor`	`so.... can i get a copy?`
`15:15.40`	`Gwildor`	`OMFG!`
`15:15.46`	`PrinceAMD`	`yes sure let me upload it`
`15:15.51`	`Gwildor`	`was it you i was getting that .iso from?`
`15:16.13`	`PrinceAMD`	`yes`
`15:16.22`	`PrinceAMD`	`oh u can download it now sorry damn it`
`15:16.27`	`Gwildor`	`PC was off when i came in.....`
`15:16.32`	`Gwildor`	`what..you kill it?`
`15:16.35`	`PrinceAMD`	`no`
`15:16.39`	`PrinceAMD`	`i had black out`
`15:16.43`	`Gwildor`	`ahhh..`
`15:16.51`	`Gwildor`	`dont worry about it.. ill grab it at a later date.`
`15:16.53`	`PrinceAMD`	`that happens some time here`
`15:17.05`	`Gwildor`	`well, im not sure why my PC was off either..`
`15:17.16`	`PrinceAMD`	`ok`
`15:17.28`	`PrinceAMD`	`http://princeamd.gplgeek.com`
`15:18.25`	`PrinceAMD`	`http://princeamd.gplgeek.com:90/`
`15:18.33`	`PrinceAMD`	`http://princeamd.gplgeek.com:90/files/`
`15:19.45`	`PrinceAMD`	`trog, what version of e17 are u using`
`15:20.27`	`trog`	`.037`
`15:20.35`	`PrinceAMD`	`trog, very nice`
`15:20.54`	`PrinceAMD`	`http://princeamd.gplgeek.com:90/files/e17-transparency0.4.4.deb download that`
`15:21.11`	`trog`	`i've used wm's back from kde1 ...this is what comes closest to what i understand by "desktop" ...`
`15:21.36`	`PrinceAMD`	`it will help you with transparency on eterm and xchat and other programs`
`15:21.45`	`trog`	`waw...thanks :)`
`15:22.10`	`Gwildor`	`The server at princeamd.gplgeek.com is taking too long to respond.`
`15:22.13`	`Gwildor`	`...nvm`
`15:22.23`	`PrinceAMD`	`Gwildor, http://princeamd.gplgeek.com:90/`
`15:22.30`	`PrinceAMD`	`port 90 :)`
`15:22.34`	`Gwildor`	`yeah, got it now`
`15:22.50`	`Gwildor`	`umm, wich do i want?`
`15:22.50`	`PrinceAMD`	`cool`
`15:23.02`	`PrinceAMD`	`what version of e17 do u have?`
`15:23.13`	`Gwildor`	`0.5.5 CD default`
`15:23.32`	`PrinceAMD`	`oh go in files\ darktheme-026`
`15:24.26`	`Gwildor`	`:D`
`15:24.28`	`Gwildor`	`thnx man`
`15:24.30`	`PrinceAMD`	`trog, getting trough?`
`15:25.02`	`trog`	`have a dependency conflict...lineakd`
`15:25.17`	`PrinceAMD`	`yes`
`15:25.18`	`trog`	`will have to force it...1 sec`
`15:25.26`	`PrinceAMD`	`apt-get install lineakd`
`15:25.39`	`trog`	`thats where the conflict apperas :)`
`15:26.07`	`PrinceAMD`	`crap`
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`15:27.01`	`PrinceAMD`	`u need a file then xsendkeys`
`15:27.05`	`PrinceAMD`	`can i send u it ?`
`15:27.16`	`trog`	`i'll install it in a sec...its downloading right now ...`
`15:27.26`	`trog`	`lineakd i mean`
`15:27.42`	`Gwildor`	`brb..smokebreak`
`15:27.50`	`PrinceAMD`	`if xsendkeys is not in your system my program will now minimize your apps on desktop to take the screenshot`
`15:27.57`	`PrinceAMD`	`yes lineakd`
`15:29.01`	`trog`	`ok, got it installed`
`15:29.12`	`PrinceAMD`	`lineakd installed?`
`15:29.59`	`trog`	`yes...your package also`
`15:30.02`	`PrinceAMD`	`good`
`15:30.25`	`PrinceAMD`	`press alt+sec n type e17-trans2sec`
`15:31.08`	`PrinceAMD`	`it should minimize your windows take a shot then bring them up back`
`15:31.22`	`trog`	`i watched over it when i installed it ;)`
`15:31.53`	`PrinceAMD`	`click settings>preferences> and enable transparency background`
`15:32.09`	`PrinceAMD`	`did it work?`
`15:33.49`	`PrinceAMD`	`trog, http://www.linux.edu/ your site?`
`15:33.57`	`trog`	`1 sec...housework around :)`
`15:34.04`	`trog`	`not my site...just have an account there`
`15:34.09`	`PrinceAMD`	`ok`
`15:37.04`	`trog`	`do i have to enable somewhere the module ?`
`15:37.18`	`PrinceAMD`	`no`
`15:37.40`	`PrinceAMD`	`it show up in your menu when u update it`
`15:38.03`	`PrinceAMD`	`there is also e17-transparency which u can put to run on start up`
`15:38.17`	`trog`	`it did (in xchat i mean), but it told me, "my wm is not capable of transparency" or something like that ...`
`15:38.49`	`PrinceAMD`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:38.56`	`trog`	`wait...my mistake :) dont have the trans.png file ...`
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`15:39.54`	`trog`	`ugh...food around :) i'll play with it later`
`15:39.56`	`trog`	`thanks :)`
`15:40.08`	`trog`	`brb`
`15:40.13`	`PrinceAMD`	`no problem`
`15:40.13`	`PrinceAMD`	`ok`
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`15:52.19`	`Gwildor`	`PrinceAMD, where do i put that theme?`
`15:52.41`	`elmo44`	`~/.e/e/themes`
`15:52.48`	`elmo44`	`or somewhere like that ;)`
`15:53.01`	`Gwildor`	`alrighty, ty`
`15:53.06`	`elmo44`	`np`
`15:55.05`	`Gwildor`	`ummmm....`
`15:55.24`	`Gwildor`	`i opened a new terminal... and its showing the OLD BG for its transparency?!?!?!?`
`15:57.53`	`Gwildor`	`PrinceAMD, hmm, i can change the button location for the windows.....but, how do i make it default for the theme?`
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`16:07.03`	`trog`	`PrinceAMD are you still around ?`
`16:10.51`	`trog`	`PrinceAMD: dont forget to add scrot and giblib1 as dependencies to the package you sent me :) ...your scripts`
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`16:12.20`	`Gwildor`	`wow, TT is kinda fun...`
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`16:13.27`	`kender`	`hi`
`16:14.47`	`trog`	`hi`
`16:15.23`	`PrinceAMD`	`Gwildor, i'm back`
`16:15.29`	`PrinceAMD`	`trog, i'm back`
`16:15.51`	`Gwildor`	`any idea how to "refresh" the transparent BG of my terminals?`
`16:16.11`	`PrinceAMD`	`no`
`16:16.35`	`PrinceAMD`	`maybe u can try running e17-trans2sec`
`16:17.53`	`PrinceAMD`	`Gwildor, go to configuration panel > appearance > border set it to classic then restart e17`
`16:18.11`	`PrinceAMD`	`left click > enlightenment > restart :)`
`16:18.20`	`PrinceAMD`	`and wa-la works great`
`16:22.53`	`Gwildor`	`arlight...TY`
`16:23.00`	`PrinceAMD`	`did it work?'`
`16:24.21`	`Gwildor`	`didnt try... 1 sec`
`16:24.40`	`Gwildor`	`nope`
`16:24.43`	`Gwildor`	`still old..`
`16:25.01`	`PrinceAMD`	`works here`
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`16:25.46`	`PrinceAMD`	`wait a sec`
`16:25.52`	`PrinceAMD`	`u have elive 0.5.5`
`16:25.57`	`PrinceAMD`	`with the normal e17`
`16:25.59`	`PrinceAMD`	`shit`
`16:26.04`	`PrinceAMD`	`i dotn know if it works there`
`16:26.06`	`PrinceAMD`	`anyhow`
`16:26.12`	`PrinceAMD`	`i have to run`
`16:26.14`	`PrinceAMD`	`later guys`
`16:26.41`	`trog`	`later`
`16:27.31`	`Gwildor`	`laters PrinceAMD`
`16:27.38`	`Gwildor`	`yeah, i need/want to upgrade..`
`16:28.06`	`trog`	`Gwildor: want me to tell you how to upgrade ?`
`16:28.19`	`Gwildor`	`trog, nah, im holding out a bit longer... as entrance is broken`
`16:28.35`	`trog`	`i can tell you how to fix entrance also`
`16:28.43`	`Gwildor`	`O_O`
`16:28.47`	`Gwildor`	`yes, plz :D`
`16:29.00`	`Gwildor`	`youve got time, and dont mind?`
`16:29.12`	`trog`	`sure`
`16:29.23`	`Gwildor`	`rdy when u are :D`
`16:29.35`	`trog`	`want me to tell you about entrance or upgrading ?`
`16:29.54`	`Gwildor`	`well, my entracne works..`
`16:30.13`	`Gwildor`	`so, lets upgrade e, then fix entrance..... or fix entrance, then upgrade e.....whatever you want to do`
`16:30.20`	`trog`	`:)`
`16:30.42`	`trog`	`its not really a bug...rather a version conflict...anyway, upgrading needs to be done first`
`16:31.05`	`Gwildor`	`oh... yeah, i dont have details... roxville jstu says "wait a bit, its broken" :P`
`16:31.08`	`trog`	`do you know how to edit a file as root ? if yes, open /etc/apt/sources.list`
`16:31.13`	`Gwildor`	`yeah..`
`16:31.20`	`Gwildor`	`i can handle all that..`
`16:31.45`	`Gwildor`	`its open`
`16:31.56`	`trog`	`ok, there is a line, at the begining, which contains "vobcopy.org" and other "elive" stuff ....at the end of the line, add "tests" (without the quotes) ...`
`16:32.14`	`trog`	`then run (also as root) : apt-get update && apt-get upgrade`
`16:32.19`	`Detox`	`hello allo`
`16:32.22`	`Detox`	`all`
`16:32.41`	`Gwildor`	`trog, this will be a long process...`
`16:33.00`	`Gwildor`	`this is a default 0.5.5 install.... should we jut upgrade e, and ill do full system later?`
`16:33.07`	`Gwildor`	`apt-get update`
`16:33.10`	`Gwildor`	`oops :P`
`16:33.33`	`Gwildor`	`howdy detox`
`16:33.44`	`Detox`	`yes a big hello is at hand`
`16:33.53`	`Detox`	`Roxville has save the day!!!`
`16:34.11`	`Gwildor`	`what he do?`
`16:34.31`	`Detox`	`steered me to the answer for my remote access dilemma`
`16:34.41`	`Gwildor`	`ROXville did?!?`
`16:34.53`	`Detox`	`provided the name fo the file that runs remote desktop in elive`
`16:34.55`	`Gwildor`	`GO roxville !`
`16:34.59`	`Detox`	`researched that`
`16:34.59`	`Gwildor`	`:D`
`16:35.02`	`Gwildor`	`what was the issue?`
`16:35.17`	`Detox`	`and guess what?? I can now use my elive pc remotely from win and linux`
`16:35.37`	`trog`	`Gwildor: i run upgrades every day...keeps you safer :) ..anyway, you can upgrade just the e17 module`
`16:35.46`	`trog`	`s/module/package`
`16:35.50`	`Gwildor`	`trog, imma jsut go do it all now...`
`16:35.56`	`Gwildor`	`wasnt THAT much`
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`16:36.34`	`Detox`	`I tried vncservdr , vnc4server, tightvnc ,, nutthing worked`
`16:36.37`	`trog`	`before you restart enlightenment ...remember to fix entrance...want to hear it now ?`
`16:36.54`	`Gwildor`	`trog, hmm, i need to do something really fast...`
`16:37.02`	`Gwildor`	`trog, can you wait.... 5 or 6 minutes?`
`16:37.05`	`Detox`	`then Roxville gave me a word of knowledge .....x11vnc`
`16:37.06`	`trog`	`i have time, ...sure`
`16:37.13`	`Gwildor`	`alright.. TY... BRB`
`16:37.15`	`Detox`	`whalla! works great`
`16:37.16`	`Gwildor`	`(im @ work)`
`16:37.22`	`Gwildor`	`Detox, SWEET`
`16:37.35`	`Gwildor`	`i may look into that too...BRB`
`16:37.43`	`Detox`	`yes very ,,, now I can move the server to it's rightfull place 3 hours away`
`16:38.21`	`Detox`	`oh hey ,,,, on the server ,,, I ahve elive ver 4 i think,,,`
`16:38.38`	`Detox`	`jsut did an update upgrade kerne 2.6.18`
`16:38.38`	`roxville`	`<Gwildor> oh... yeah, i dont have details... roxville jstu says "wait a bit, its broken" :P`
`16:38.46`	`Detox`	`think I should do a dist-upgrade?`
`16:38.54`	`roxville`	`well, 10 second sessions is not fun...`
`16:39.18`	`roxville`	`but trog has a fix... so he says :)`
`16:39.38`	`Detox`	`and move to the 2.6.15 kernel?`
`16:39.51`	`trog`	`used it on 2 computers...and helped someone here :)`
`16:39.56`	`Detox`	`have duel intel cpu's and raid / sata drives`
`16:39.57`	`Gwildor`	`roxville, of couyrse not.... and ill be testing trog's fix shortly :D`
`16:40.09`	`roxville`	`ok, cool!`
`16:40.15`	`Gwildor`	`alright...BRB`
`16:43.12`	`Detox`	`I thought elive came with skype?`
`16:43.30`	`roxville`	`it may have... a while back`
`16:43.38`	`roxville`	`but it's proprietary code...`
`16:43.55`	`Detox`	`it will work?`
`16:44.09`	`roxville`	`as un-fun as it is... it's best to install skype's static version`
`16:44.22`	`roxville`	`my skype doesn't work atm`
`16:44.28`	`Detox`	`static?`
`16:44.32`	`roxville`	`but i have not installed it in a while`
`16:44.48`	`roxville`	`yes, a with static libs`
`16:44.51`	`Detox`	`ok`
`16:45.25`	`roxville`	`http://www.exaile.org/trac/wiki`
`16:45.34`	`roxville`	`this looks like a nice media player`
`16:45.53`	`roxville`	`better than to install amarok, with all the KDE libs`
`16:50.43`	`Gwildor`	`trog, i have 5mins left on my upgrade downloads....wanna jsut wait to fix entrance when its done...or tell me now?`
`16:51.01`	`trog`	`better now`
`16:51.09`	`trog`	`i problem i saw, was the bad config file ...`
`16:51.30`	`trog`	`in /usr/share/entrance, there is a script named build_config.sh`
`16:52.10`	`Gwildor`	`keep going, imma log this`
`16:52.10`	`Gwildor`	`or... jsut run that?`
`16:52.10`	`trog`	`that will generate a file named entrance_config.cfg ...you have to copy that in etc, over the old config (its a good ideea to backup the /etc file)`
`16:52.24`	`Gwildor`	`ahh, alright, NP`
`16:52.29`	`Gwildor`	`do this right after the upgrade?`
`16:52.34`	`trog`	`that should fix it`
`16:52.56`	`trog`	`after the upgrade, then press ctrl+alt+backspace. this will kill X, so save & close everything`
`16:54.02`	`Gwildor`	`:D`
`16:54.05`	`Gwildor`	`TY kindly.`
`16:54.21`	`Gwildor`	`if it works for me... ( you said it has for 2 others) you should make a wiki article`
`16:54.45`	`trog`	`a 3 comands article ? :)`
`16:55.13`	`trog`	`this will go away sooner or later ...its a temporary fix from my point of view`
`16:55.53`	`Gwildor`	`well, tahts what im mean... jsut a short how-to... so we can jstu say "here, follow this link"`
`16:56.33`	`trog`	`i'll see about this :) thanks for the ideea`
`16:56.46`	`Gwildor`	`:D`
`17:00.08`	`Gwildor`	`trog, unpacking everything..almost ready to test..`
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`17:06.40`	`rabe`	`hi`
`17:07.00`	`rabe`	`is it possible to change home partition after installation`
`17:07.19`	`rabe`	`i warnt to copy it to another partition`
`17:08.01`	`roxville`	`yes`
`17:08.21`	`rabe`	`how ?`
`17:08.23`	`roxville`	`oh crap... keyra is not here...`
`17:08.35`	`roxville`	`hold on, gotta find the howto...`
`17:08.51`	`rabe`	`thank you`
`17:09.40`	`Detox`	`Gwildor ,,,, am considering doing a dist-upgrade for elive to get the 15 kernel ,, is this a good move?`
`17:09.42`	`trog`	`rabe, you will have to play with /etc/fstab`
`17:09.43`	`trog`	`and mount`
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`17:10.31`	`Gwildor`	`Detox, you asking the wrong person on that boat...`
`17:10.39`	`Gwildor`	`dererk[work], i JUST upgraded myself..`
`17:10.43`	`Detox`	`ok will continue to row then`
`17:10.44`	`trog`	`Detox: what kernel do you have now ?`
`17:10.46`	`Detox`	`until`
`17:10.47`	`Elive_user57`	`sry i get disconected :)`
`17:10.50`	`Detox`	`2.6.18`
`17:10.59`	`Detox`	`was earleir beta`
`17:11.20`	`Detox`	`am running on dell poweredge 1950 two 3ghx intell cpu with sata hd's`
`17:11.23`	`roxville`	`damn, where is it????`
`17:11.29`	`trog`	`i'm happy with my 2.6.18-3`
`17:11.33`	`wizard123`	`over there ->`
`17:11.37`	`wizard123`	`hi all`
`17:11.48`	`Detox`	`huh,, t hought it was <<<< over here`
`17:11.55`	`roxville`	`wizard123, do you know eher the howto for /home is?`
`17:12.15`	`wizard123`	`eher ?`
`17:12.55`	`roxville`	`how to change /home dir`
`17:13.04`	`Gwildor`	`probably in fstab..`
`17:13.13`	`wizard123`	`vipw eorks`
`17:13.15`	`wizard123`	`works*`
`17:13.21`	`wizard123`	`you can edit home entry`
`17:13.33`	`Gwildor`	`restarting X.... hope it works trog :P`
`17:14.01`	`trog`	`wish you luck :) ...you did generate the new entrance config...right ? :)`
`17:14.26`	`Gwildor`	`well, it printed it ot console.. so i copy&pasted to the old config file..`
`17:14.34`	`Gwildor`	`after i backed it up :D`
`17:14.40`	`trog`	`oh, remember, if it doesent work, try to 'startx' as your user ...`
`17:14.47`	`Gwildor`	`:D`
`17:14.54`	`help`	`d`
`17:14.59`	`trog`	`dont think that works`
`17:15.01`	`trog`	`1 sec`
`17:15.04`	`trog`	`dont restart yet`
`17:15.22`	`Gwildor`	`alright`
`17:15.23`	`trog`	`nope, it doesent`
`17:15.48`	`trog`	`run that script as root, in /usr/share/entrance`
`17:15.57`	`Gwildor`	`well, if it doesnt work... ill jstu re-install from CD... or come here from a CLI irc app hollering atcha :P`
`17:15.58`	`trog`	`and move the generated file over the one in /etc`
`17:16.11`	`trog`	`it has binary content ....`
`17:16.12`	`Gwildor`	`what file does it generate?... it printed to console?`
`17:16.32`	`trog`	`it should have generated /usr/share/entrance/entrance_config.cfg`
`17:16.44`	`trog`	`that file shouldnt be clear text`
`17:16.55`	`Gwildor`	`root@Elive[/usr/share/entrance]# ls`
`17:16.56`	`Gwildor`	`build_config.sh images themes users`
`17:17.07`	`Gwildor`	`and ive already ran build_config.sh`
`17:17.23`	`Gwildor`	`root@Elive[/usr/share/entrance]# sh build_config.sh`
`17:18.02`	`Gwildor`	`should i run it again?`
`17:18.28`	`trog`	`run it, and then give me the 'ls' result`
`17:21.21`	`roxville`	`for the first time, i wish keyra was here...`
`17:21.26`	`roxville`	`apt, /home`
`17:21.28`	`apt`	`/home is, like, like the "My Documents" folder in M$-windoze`
`17:21.38`	`roxville`	`oh wow, cool...`
`17:21.48`	`roxville`	`or not`
`17:23.01`	`trog`	`apt: its much more ...its the only place where you can write. its the place where you hold your documents, and the settings for your applications. every user has its own /home folder`
`17:24.37`	`roxville`	`you can also keep all yer porn in a hidden dir, so your wife don't see it...`
`17:26.04`	`help`	`lol`
`17:26.59`	`roxville`	`ok, gotta go to the store with wife and daughter, bb...`
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`17:31.49`	`Elive_user5`	`sup everyone`
`17:34.01`	`Gwildor`	`hello`
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`17:44.21`	`Elive_user5`	`anyone here`
`17:45.59`	`trog`	`i'm here`
`17:46.51`	`Elive_user5`	`sup`
`17:48.27`	`trog`	`nothing much ...`
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`17:50.37`	`Gwildor`	`trog, ummm... that didnt work..`
`17:50.47`	`Gwildor`	`but, i replaced my back-up... and im logged in fine..`
`17:50.52`	`Gwildor`	`mebbe E didnt upgrade?`
`17:51.03`	`trog`	`thats what i was thinking ...`
`17:51.12`	`Gwildor`	`but...your config wont work at all..`
`17:51.23`	`trog`	`the behavoir of that script file, remembers me of the previous version of e17`
`17:51.38`	`trog`	`my config is generated for the newer version (.037)`
`17:51.45`	`Gwildor`	`1) it has "trog" in the log-in :P 2) it wont accept my password, 3) it has NOTHING in hte "DE choices" area`
`17:51.50`	`Gwildor`	`so... what do i do?`
`17:51.51`	`trog`	`can you tell me if your /etc version is in cleartext ?`
`17:52.12`	`Gwildor`	`no, it had [null] and stuff in it..`
`17:52.17`	`trog`	`i see`
`17:52.23`	`Gwildor`	`i looked @ it when i put that output there..`
`17:52.26`	`trog`	`i can send you my version of the script, might do the job`
`17:52.33`	`trog`	`but, were you able to log in into e17 ?`
`17:52.36`	`Gwildor`	`well, is my e17 version correct?`
`17:52.41`	`Gwildor`	`yeah, im in it right now..`
`17:52.44`	`Gwildor`	`looks exactly the same`
`17:52.56`	`trog`	`then, you havent upgraded`
`17:52.59`	`Gwildor`	`using the ORIGINAL entrance.cfg`
`17:53.01`	`trog`	`afraid of a dist-upgrade ? :)`
`17:53.06`	`Gwildor`	`nah, ill do it`
`17:53.16`	`Gwildor`	`youve got time?`
`17:53.37`	`trog`	`have another half hour, maybe more`
`17:53.42`	`Gwildor`	`deb http://www.vobcopy.org/mirror/elive/ elive main efl elive tests`
`17:53.44`	`Gwildor`	`correct?`
`17:54.09`	`trog`	`yes`
`17:54.52`	`Gwildor`	`alright, here it goes..`
`17:55.03`	`Gwildor`	`e17 IS in the dist-upgrade "to be upgraded" thingy..`
`17:55.04`	`Gwildor`	`so..`
`17:55.08`	`trog`	`great :D`
`17:55.11`	`Gwildor`	`about 10 mins..`
`17:55.15`	`Gwildor`	`ill go smoke...BRB`
`17:55.25`	`trog`	`be warned, this version of e17, is different`
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`18:06.48`	`Gwildor`	`thats ok :P`
`18:07.06`	`trog`	`:)`
`18:07.43`	`trog`	`i think its also, a good ideea to backup /home/user/.e`
`18:07.57`	`Gwildor`	`nothing is there... ill be ok... AND its a serperate partition..`
`18:08.03`	`trog`	`eerrrr`
`18:08.03`	`Gwildor`	`what is the command to make new .cfg ?`
`18:08.10`	`trog`	`replace "user" with your username`
`18:08.23`	`Gwildor`	`oh..THAT... yeah, ill do that`
`18:08.26`	`Gwildor`	`whats the command?`
`18:08.40`	`trog`	`sh build_config.sh`
`18:08.59`	`Gwildor`	`where is it?`
`18:09.03`	`Gwildor`	`nvm`
`18:09.33`	`Gwildor`	`yeah..where is it?`
`18:09.41`	`trog`	`/usr/share/entrance`
`18:10.12`	`Gwildor`	`root@Elive[/usr/share/entrance]# ls`
`18:10.12`	`Gwildor`	`build_config.sh entrance_config.cfg images themes users`
`18:10.14`	`Gwildor`	`finally`
`18:10.19`	`trog`	`great :)`
`18:10.39`	`trog`	`its good to backup .e , also...`
`18:10.47`	`trog`	`never know if something goes wrong`
`18:10.47`	`Gwildor`	`mv /home/usr/.e /home/usr/e <that should do it right?`
`18:11.00`	`trog`	`also, after you've configured your system, back ~/.e ...`
`18:11.07`	`trog`	`just .e`
`18:11.20`	`Gwildor`	`yes...but the command?`
`18:11.31`	`Gwildor`	`mv /home/usr/.e /home/usr/e <that should do it right?`
`18:11.47`	`trog`	`cp -r ~/.e ~/.e.backup`
`18:11.59`	`trog`	`just cp -r (recursive) ...`
`18:12.16`	`Gwildor`	`alright, done..`
`18:12.20`	`Gwildor`	`ill BRB`
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`18:26.55`	`gwildor`	`trog, hello`
`18:26.57`	`gwildor`	`bad news`
`18:27.32`	`Gwildor`	`im in e16.... using the new config...`
`18:27.38`	`Gwildor`	`i dont have a choice to choose e17....`
`18:27.43`	`Gwildor`	`so, im stuck in 16..`
`18:27.46`	`Gwildor`	`any idea?`
`18:28.45`	`trog`	`re`
`18:28.50`	`trog`	`choose "enlightenment"`
`18:28.51`	`Gwildor`	`re?`
`18:28.54`	`trog`	`forgot to mention`
`18:28.57`	`Gwildor`	`there arent choices..`
`18:28.57`	`trog`	`yea, i was a bit away`
`18:29.05`	`Gwildor`	`well, there ARE choices... but they overlap..`
`18:29.13`	`Gwildor`	`so... do what?`
`18:29.21`	`roxville`	`brb`
`18:29.29`	`trog`	`try to regenerate the menu, and see if the generated file has the same size as the /etc one`
`18:29.42`	`trog`	`menu=conf file`
`18:29.45`	`trog`	`my mistake`
`18:30.37`	`Gwildor`	`do what now?`
`18:30.42`	`Gwildor`	`youve lsot me`
`18:30.44`	`Gwildor`	`lost`
`18:31.09`	`Gwildor`	`oh...gothca`
`18:31.52`	`Gwildor`	`WTF`
`18:31.53`	`Gwildor`	`Generating config file './entrance_config.cfg' from 'defaults' ...`
`18:31.57`	`Gwildor`	`but...it didnt generate it..`
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`18:32.35`	`mutilus`	`hello elive`
`18:32.44`	`trog`	`run it as root ...in /usr/share/entrance, and delete any .cfg file in the directory (the entrance_config.cfg file i mean)`
`18:32.48`	`trog`	`hello mutilus`
`18:32.51`	`Gwildor`	`hell mutilus`
`18:32.59`	`Gwildor`	`trog, DUH, as root.. my bad...sorry`
`18:33.39`	`mutilus`	`i'm having probs with my alsa/soundcard set up, i was wondering if anyone could help`
`18:33.50`	`trog`	`mutilus: whats wrong with it ?`
`18:34.04`	`mutilus`	`if seems as if my soundcards have disappeared for me as a normal user`
`18:34.09`	`mutilus`	`if i go to root..`
`18:34.14`	`mutilus`	`and run alsaconf..`
`18:34.26`	`mutilus`	`it picks them up fine and configures them, and sound works`
`18:34.47`	`mutilus`	`but as a normal user it doesn't seem to acknowledge them any more`
`18:35.07`	`mutilus`	`it used to, like a couple of days ago.. but all of a sudden it stopped. i must have naffed something up`
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`18:35.17`	`trog`	`ls -la /dev/dsp`
`18:35.24`	`trog`	`tell me what it tells`
`18:35.27`	`roxville`	`Gwildor`
`18:35.32`	`roxville`	`this is what i do:`
`18:35.51`	`Gwildor`	`im listening`
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`18:36.00`	`roxville`	`at entrance, press ctrl+alt+F1`
`18:36.05`	`mutilus`	`trog, it shows: crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2007-01-08 17:49 /dev/dsp`
`18:36.16`	`mutilus`	`hmm.. aha. i think i know`
`18:36.18`	`trog`	`is your used in the 'audio' group ?`
`18:36.38`	`mutilus`	`hehe yeah i think that's it.. i was doing something with my groups recently`
`18:36.44`	`roxville`	`then log in and type: startx /usr/bin/enlightenment_start -- :1`
`18:36.47`	`trog`	`:)`
`18:36.47`	`mutilus`	`trog: nice one, cheers!`
`18:36.55`	`trog`	`mutilus: no problem :)`
`18:37.10`	`Gwildor`	`roxville, oh....ahh...well, i have entrance... seems to be working (gets me into e16).... jstu need to get into e17 :P`
`18:37.48`	`roxville`	`Gwildor, of course, if you don't use that console/terminal too much, it's easy enough to find the command again with the up-arrow`
`18:38.01`	`mutilus`	`trog, do you know the best way to add a user to a given group? last time i did it with usermod, but obviously did something wrong as it deleted my old groups`
`18:38.03`	`roxville`	`Gwildor, with this, you get into e17`
`18:38.11`	`roxville`	`and stay there`
`18:38.18`	`mutilus`	`i think i did usermod -Gsomegroup someuser`
`18:39.17`	`Gwildor`	`roxville, TY, i will have to use that..... if what im doingnow doenst fix things`
`18:39.27`	`Gwildor`	`roxville, not entirely sure im too fond of entrance tbh`
`18:39.29`	`trog`	`mutilus: well, i do it by hand, by editing /etc/group ...but i am/was a console freak, so i'm not telling you its the best way`
`18:39.32`	`roxville`	`of copurse`
`18:39.34`	`trog`	`i find it easy`
`18:39.45`	`roxville`	`lol`
`18:39.48`	`Gwildor`	`BRB....testing`
`18:39.50`	`roxville`	`of corpse...`
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`18:40.42`	`mutilus`	`trog, i'm fine with console too.. i can just add the group`
`18:40.53`	`whadar`	`hello what's the value of elive_revolution_rl2's md5?`
`18:40.55`	`mutilus`	`hehe whoops sorry.. didn't mean to press enter ;)`
`18:41.04`	`mutilus`	`ignore me :)`
`18:42.12`	`whadar`	`md5 anyone?`
`18:43.04`	`trog`	`e15f9f1112e02e1235895434eb44b1df`
`18:43.25`	`whadar`	`10x`
`18:43.28`	`trog`	`np`
`18:43.43`	`whadar`	`the burn keep failing...`
`18:43.51`	`whadar`	`though md5 is ok`
`18:44.01`	`whadar`	`elive now costs money?`
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`18:44.24`	`roxville`	`http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/elive/isos/development/`
`18:44.25`	`Elive_user`	`uh-oh`
`18:44.35`	`roxville`	`wow, so he DID do an upgrade...`
`18:44.35`	`Gwildor`	`i feel needy`
`18:44.49`	`Gwildor`	`who me?`
`18:45.28`	`trog`	`Gwildor: is it working ?`
`18:45.29`	`roxville`	`whadar, thana wasn't getting a lot of donations at all... he's tersting this way...your choice is how much you donate`
`18:45.45`	`roxville`	`personally, i rather use the dev versions... but that's just me`
`18:45.48`	`Gwildor`	`trog, sorta..`
`18:45.49`	`whadar`	`but you must donate right`
`18:45.56`	`whadar`	`?`
`18:45.58`	`Gwildor`	`trog, i had to use roxvilles command...`
`18:46.05`	`roxville`	`what only to get the stable version`
`18:46.07`	`Gwildor`	`trog, and.. my theme is gone... menu's ...everything`
`18:46.14`	`whadar`	`ok`
`18:46.18`	`trog`	`but is it starting ?`
`18:46.24`	`Gwildor`	`yes, im in it right now..`
`18:46.25`	`roxville`	`Gwildor, you didn't log in as root... did you?`
`18:46.28`	`Gwildor`	`i have SHELVES!`
`18:46.31`	`Gwildor`	`roxville, no`
`18:46.38`	`roxville`	`hehe`
`18:46.39`	`roxville`	`ok`
`18:46.41`	`Gwildor`	`check my join ip..`
`18:46.42`	`trog`	`oh...great...you will have to configure it, told you its different`
`18:46.43`	`trog`	`:)`
`18:46.51`	`trog`	`and the entrance fix, didnt work ?`
`18:47.00`	`Gwildor`	`well.. yes, and no trog`
`18:47.01`	`roxville`	`Gwildor, head over to get-e.org`
`18:47.03`	`Gwildor`	`it IS working..`
`18:47.05`	`roxville`	`and get some themes`
`18:47.11`	`Gwildor`	`jsut menu is NOT working..`
`18:47.25`	`Gwildor`	`roxville, i want the chtulain, or whatever :P`
`18:47.28`	`trog`	`try with the cfg file i sent you by email ...`
`18:47.32`	`roxville`	`Gwildor, you have to reload the menu too`
`18:47.32`	`Gwildor`	`doesnt someone have a modded version here?`
`18:47.40`	`Gwildor`	`trog, that doesnt work..`
`18:47.44`	`Gwildor`	`roxville, how?`
`18:47.45`	`mutilus`	`whadar, i think you can download stable from a slower server without paying`
`18:47.47`	`roxville`	`everything from now on, is .desktop files, not eaps`
`18:47.55`	`trog`	`Gwildor: just a tip, try the 'Darkness' theme`
`18:48.02`	`Gwildor`	`trog, TY :D`
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`18:48.19`	`Gwildor`	`roxville, so... i have to do all this manually?`
`18:48.29`	`trog`	`mutilus: you can also find the iso on the net...other mirrors`
`18:48.40`	`roxville`	`desktop menu, "configurations>application menus"`
`18:49.00`	`Gwildor`	`oh, sweet perfect.`
`18:49.06`	`roxville`	`Gwildor, no you dan't have to... open that menu and reload`
`18:49.13`	`Gwildor`	`well, auto-generate would be perfect :P.... close enough`
`18:49.19`	`mutilus`	`trog, oh ok -- i donated when i downloaded anyway, i like elive :)`
`18:49.31`	`roxville`	`it IS auto-generate...sorta`
`18:49.37`	`Gwildor`	`do what now?`
`18:50.21`	`Gwildor`	`aye, everything is in left click menu....`
`18:50.22`	`roxville`	`Gwildor, go to the menu, and READ...for once in your life, READ!`
`18:50.37`	`trog`	`in your place, the first thing i would do, is play with the bottom shelf...then choose a theme :)`
`18:50.39`	`roxville`	`:D`
`18:50.58`	`Gwildor`	`shelf & themes i think ive got under control..`
`18:51.06`	`Gwildor`	`im working on right-click menu..`
`18:51.26`	`Gwildor`	`and... ive figured that out :P`
`18:51.29`	`trog`	`try the e17 modules :) ...i like the shelf ideea :)`
`18:51.30`	`roxville`	`there's virtually nothing in the right-click anymore`
`18:51.49`	`Gwildor`	`roxville, im adding what i want there now :D`
`18:51.58`	`Gwildor`	`roxville, if you care, its "favorites"`
`18:52.07`	`roxville`	`yes, good :)`
`18:52.21`	`roxville`	`ok, back to the family for a bit... :)`
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`18:52.31`	`Gwildor`	`have fun`
`18:59.31`	`Gwildor`	`i think... i like shelves`
`19:01.08`	`Gwildor`	`and... this new e17 seems to be a bit faster`
`19:01.16`	`trog`	`i also think so`
`19:01.22`	`trog`	`i can test it on a 850mhz laptop`
`19:01.33`	`trog`	`it flies ...surely its faster than the older one`
`19:03.00`	`Gwildor`	`hmm, found something i dont like already..`
`19:03.09`	`Gwildor`	`cant "drag" windows to other desktop`
`19:03.16`	`trog`	`sure you can`
`19:03.27`	`Gwildor`	`nvm... you can..`
`19:03.40`	`Gwildor`	`i was on desktop1, trying to go left.... ( i thought i was on desktop 2)`
`19:03.45`	`Gwildor`	`user malfunction :P`
`19:03.47`	`trog`	`:)`
`19:03.55`	`trog`	`you can 'fix' even that :)`
`19:04.09`	`Gwildor`	`i like ti that way...`
`19:04.13`	`Gwildor`	`was jsut on the wrong desktop`
`19:04.39`	`trog`	`me too...1 is the most to the left ...`
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`19:05.10`	`Gwildor`	`uh-huh`
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`19:10.10`	`Gwildor`	`now to find a wallpaper`
`19:11.58`	`Gwildor`	`aww great...sound died`
`19:12.51`	`Gwildor`	`magically muted...fixed`
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`19:19.04`	`trog`	`in this version, you can use animated wallpapers`
`19:25.31`	`trog`	`some are quite decent`
`19:25.52`	`trog`	`Cracked_Earth for example`
`19:26.17`	`trog`	`and there is a red one ...if you have a theme that goes with it...its nice`
`19:27.53`	`Gwildor`	`hmmm...`
`19:28.03`	`Gwildor`	`i think overall this is a better verison.. some things bug me...`
`19:28.10`	`Gwildor`	`mebbe i jsut need to get used to them..`
`19:28.35`	`Gwildor`	`wtf terminal elive uses?? xterm wont launch`
`19:30.02`	`mutilus`	`Gwildor, i think Eterm or rxvt. try pressing ctrl+alt+ins`
`19:30.50`	`mutilus`	`or it may be urxvt.. they all should work anyway, just not sure which is default`
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`20:03.16`	`Pacma`	`nos vemos mañana buenas noches`
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`20:31.09`	`elmo44`	`Gwildor: find your terminal? ;)`
`20:36.50`	`elmo44`	`moo?`
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`20:50.44`	`wizard123`	`:)`
`20:50.51`	`wizard123`	`=="`
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`20:51.23`	`wizard123`	`hiho all o/`
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`20:55.34`	`trog`	`hi`
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`21:57.10`	`Detox_on_Laptop`	`howdy all`
`21:57.47`	`Detox_on_Laptop`	`is a lot quieter since Keyra has left`
`21:58.04`	`Detox_on_Laptop`	`apt Keyra`
`21:58.17`	`Detox_on_Laptop`	`apt: Keyra`
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`22:12.37`	`GPLGeek`	`Today was a crazy day.`
`22:12.46`	`Gwildor`	`yes, yes it was.`
`22:13.14`	`GPLGeek`	`Early this morning under cover cops came into our business and used it as a steak out`
`22:13.21`	`Gwildor`	`WOW`
`22:13.30`	`Gwildor`	`whats ur business?`
`22:14.09`	`GPLGeek`	`One of them was acting like he just wanted to buy a coffee but we were not even open yet so my manager poured him a cup and told him that he could pay when the computers were up in 5 minutes.`
`22:15.19`	`GPLGeek`	`he went to the window and was acting strange, i thought he was actually spotting for a robery or something because of the way he was acting and I kept checking up on him and he said "I know you suspect something," he pulls out his badge and shows me "I'm a detective somone is stealing cars and they are going to be trying to sell one in a shopping center"`
`22:15.40`	`Gwildor`	`O_O`
`22:15.42`	`GPLGeek`	`Spy vs Spy lol.... i knew something was up. Nobody else thought anything of him`
`22:16.12`	`GPLGeek`	`he got a radio call and he ran out the store and like 14 cars all jetted out of the shopping center.`
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`22:16.19`	`GPLGeek`	`I work at a pizza place still but that will change`
`22:16.33`	`GPLGeek`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:16.42`	`rabe`	`hi GPLGeek`
`22:16.45`	`rabe`	`hi all`
`22:16.50`	`GPLGeek`	`Gwildor, its funny people come to the store and eat lunch so they c an talk to me about linux and software`
`22:17.20`	`GPLGeek`	`hmm spacebar stuck down on the 'can' i better clean it`
`22:17.41`	`Gwildor`	`lol`
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`22:19.21`	`GPLGeek`	`speaking of, I'm on the phone with somone setting up a interview`
`22:19.27`	`Gwildor`	`GL`
`22:20.58`	`GPLGeek`	`oh they dont want me to be a tech`
`22:21.36`	`GPLGeek`	`they want to interview me to take over their tech department as a admin/manager!`
`22:21.41`	`Gwildor`	`O_o`
`22:21.49`	`Gwildor`	`then you can hire me :D`
`22:23.02`	`GPLGeek`	`you live in bay area California?`
`22:24.24`	`Gwildor`	`no :(`
`22:24.29`	`Gwildor`	`if the price is right, id move tbh`
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`22:25.42`	`GPLGeek`	`the price is wrong`
`22:25.55`	`GPLGeek`	`ill tell you that right now`
`22:26.02`	`hilltop_`	`GPLGeek, hi. I see on distrowatch they are talking about bloat and blaming Xorg. Do you agree and does elive use it? Oh, I see it does. Hmmm. Any comments?`
`22:26.25`	`GPLGeek`	`hilltop_ they can talk all they want`
`22:26.57`	`GPLGeek`	`xorg offers better and faster and FREE services, sure its big but its a lot of code`
`22:27.26`	`GPLGeek`	`If they cared they could go and get a x server like damnsmalllinux uses but it has no 3D drivers`
`22:27.42`	`GPLGeek`	`so just think about that.`
`22:28.56`	`GPLGeek`	`Anyone who wants to has the right to make their own distro based on the code provided. Even the binaries. Linux can be exactly how they want it.`
`22:29.34`	`GPLGeek`	`bitching about xorg is like saying "well knoppix comes with wifi drivers and I dont use wifi so its worthless and they are stupid to include it"`
`22:29.43`	`GPLGeek`	`but SOMBODY uses it`
`22:30.04`	`hilltop_`	`GPLGeek. Yea, there are a couple trolls there. The remark was made by someone that elive runs well on older machines. The topic is really old, like Win98 leftovers.`
`22:30.20`	`GPLGeek`	`if you want a nice minimal stable system, make one. but dont expect a development version of a os with E on top of it to fit on a floppy disk`
`22:30.41`	`elmo44`	`GPLGeek: happy GNU year!`
`22:30.41`	`GPLGeek`	`elive runs on older machines`
`22:30.48`	`GPLGeek`	`thx elmo44`
`22:31.12`	`elmo44`	`workin at a GNUPixxa parlour? ;)`
`22:31.16`	`elmo44`	`*zz`
`22:31.18`	`GPLGeek`	`we've had elive run on 486's and in fact thana had a machine less than 300mhz that he developed on`
`22:31.39`	`trog`	`i run it on a 850mhz machine, with 256 of ram...laptop`
`22:32.05`	`hilltop_`	`I had a P200 handme down from wife's work, took Win98 off, added a little RAM and ran KNOPPIX live on it for 3 months.`
`22:32.06`	`trog`	`it runs like a dream, fluent, much better than i anticipated`
`22:32.09`	`elmo44`	`i will be trying the latest 0.6.1 on a P-100MHz soon ;)`
`22:32.14`	`GPLGeek`	`elmo44, stupid pizza place runs windows, computers crash all the time. kernel errors`
`22:32.21`	`elmo44`	`wow`
`22:32.23`	`elmo44`	`that is sad`
`22:32.27`	`elmo44`	`not a mobo problem?`
`22:32.39`	`GPLGeek`	`driver, flatscreen`
`22:32.46`	`GPLGeek`	`its wohl certified`
`22:32.48`	`GPLGeek`	`lol`
`22:32.49`	`GPLGeek`	`thats why`
`22:33.11`	`GPLGeek`	`touch-screen rather`
`22:33.39`	`rabe`	`sry i try to mount my 2nd hdd with ntfs but eror "special device /hdb2 does not exist"`
`22:33.51`	`rabe`	`any idea what to do?`
`22:34.10`	`GPLGeek`	`check if mount already has it mounted in /tmp`
`22:34.42`	`GPLGeek`	`just type mount with no parameters and see if any /mnt /media or /tmp/whatever comes up`
`22:35.01`	`GPLGeek`	`I'm not sure if it will let you mount NTFS for writing, but you can read it ok`
`22:35.15`	`elmo44`	`wow, weird stuff these days : http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/08/2130234&from=rss`
`22:35.18`	`hilltop_`	`I parted out the P200 about 6 months ago when wife's work dumped another Win98 box, a P450. It's running Linux ever since (uptime 146 days.) She likes it better than XP at work. :)`
`22:35.29`	`rabe`	`there are many if i type mount but not my 2nd hdd`
`22:36.30`	`GPLGeek`	`hilltop_ somone came in today telling me that the system I set up for him was just shut off after 211 days of uptime`
`22:36.39`	`GPLGeek`	`the breaker on the side of his house blew up`
`22:36.46`	`rabe`	`lol`
`22:37.08`	`GPLGeek`	`I was like 211? maybe thats a sign from the beer god that you need a good lagar.`
`22:37.15`	`GPLGeek`	`I told him to go get a 40oz`
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`22:37.43`	`GPLGeek`	`Welcome eliveuser!`
`22:37.54`	`GPLGeek`	`haha you double clicked the button...`
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`22:40.28`	`hilltop_`	`hi z00mbie`
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`22:40.59`	`z00mbie`	`hi hilltop_`
`22:41.55`	`z00mbie`	`you almost speak Spanish not to be spoken English`
`22:42.37`	`rabe`	`i canged in fstab to readonly for my ntfs partition but it still sais "special device /devhdb2 does not exist"`
`22:43.56`	`PrinceAMD`	`i'm HOME!!!`
`22:44.15`	`rabe`	`in gparted i get a warning for my hdb "device does not exist`
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`22:44.48`	`GPLGeek`	`PrinceAMD, yarrr`
`22:44.49`	`rabe`	`is that normal for a device which is not mounted`
`22:44.53`	`hilltop_`	`GPLGeek, 211 !! OK. But I get antzy for something different. I boot my box into a live Linux CD every few days. But some (like my wife) just want some stability.`
`22:45.08`	`PrinceAMD`	`GPLGeek, SUPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP`
`22:45.18`	`rabe`	`or is my device out of order`
`22:45.31`	`z00mbie`	`quien habala español aqui`
`22:45.35`	`hilltop_`	`Haha my uptime is 1d 3hr. :)`
`22:46.52`	`GPLGeek`	`hilltop_ stability is nice. Most people dont know what that is until they have used linux. It only takes a short time reading to figure it out enough to replace windows.`
`22:47.39`	`GPLGeek`	`hablo un poco español`
`22:47.44`	`GPLGeek`	`z00mbie,`
`22:51.18`	`chemiX`	`hi, i have a question. When i shut down my E i sow long time shuting down screen ( 10 min ... then i push hw button to off) can i read some logs from shuting down of system or can i pres key combination for verbose mod when i shuting down ?`
`22:51.33`	`z00mbie`	`epale GPLGeek`
`22:51.54`	`z00mbie`	`estoy buscando una distribucion q sea para maquinas lentras`
`22:52.38`	`Gwildor`	`hometime...laters`
`22:53.57`	`trog`	`chemiX: i can teach you how to shut it down from the console if you want`
`22:55.00`	`GPLGeek`	`no se el word "lentras"`
`22:57.01`	`chemiX`	`trog : like root ... shutdown now ? in non X console ?`
`22:57.09`	`trog`	`yes`
`22:57.21`	`hilltop_`	`GPLGeek. yes, I've been using Linux for three years now. Ops, time to try a few more live distros. :)`
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`22:59.43`	`GPLGeek`	`My translator is offline`
`23:00.15`	`GPLGeek`	`Mi traductor es no aqui =(`
`23:02.10`	`rabe`	`:)`
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`23:05.25`	`GPLGeek`	`z00mbie, elive es muy bien por maquinas lentras`
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`23:05.59`	`GPLGeek`	`z00mbie, tengo un 486 y es bueno`
`23:06.12`	`GPLGeek`	`uso e16`
`23:06.21`	`rabe`	`does anyone know how i can acces to my 2nd hdd`
`23:06.32`	`get`	`z00mbie:`
`23:06.36`	`rabe`	`god knows`
`23:06.38`	`GPLGeek`	`=)`
`23:06.40`	`rabe`	`:)`
`23:06.43`	`GPLGeek`	`thanks get`
`23:06.55`	`get`	`prueba de instalarte elive, pero cuando te arranque el entorno grafico, en vez de elegir e17 usa e16`
`23:07.20`	`get`	`consume un poco mas q un windowmaker pero no tanto como un kde ...`
`23:07.29`	`get`	`osea, es rapido y va bien`
`23:07.30`	`GPLGeek`	`we were just talking about that so i actually did find a 486 to throw elive on lol`
`23:07.30`	`get`	`...`
`23:07.42`	`get`	`GPLGeek:`
`23:07.54`	`get`	`on those pc it should work without X`
`23:07.57`	`get`	`xD`
`23:08.08`	`get`	`like my laptop`
`23:08.09`	`get`	`;d`
`23:08.12`	`get`	`without X`
`23:08.17`	`get`	`fear the dark site`
`23:08.24`	`get`	`<-- goes bed`
`23:08.26`	`chemiX`	`trog : when i use shutdown now -r ... i reboot whitout problem ... thanx :) but when i use "eLoginScreen" for logout ... i freez on shuting down screen :(`
`23:08.27`	`get`	`bye all`
`23:08.28`	`GPLGeek`	`Que no e16, blackbox!`
`23:08.32`	`GPLGeek`	`fuxbox!`
`23:08.38`	`get`	`wmaker`
`23:08.39`	`GPLGeek`	`apt-get install fluxbox`
`23:08.41`	`get`	`;D`
`23:09.08`	`get`	`yes and edit the .xinitrc`
`23:09.08`	`get`	`;D`
`23:09.09`	`rabe`	`bye get`
`23:09.17`	`GPLGeek`	`later get!`
`23:09.20`	`get`	`bye`
`23:09.20`	`GPLGeek`	`thx for translation`
`23:09.25`	`trog`	`you can use 'shutdown -h now' for a shutdown....or 'halt'`
`23:10.00`	`rabe`	`;)`
`23:10.19`	`get`	`XD`
`23:10.23`	`get`	`byes`
`23:10.23`	`rabe`	`in my list of device in /dev/hd* i dont see hdb2`
`23:10.44`	`rabe`	`but in gparted i can c that there is another partition on that device`
`23:11.34`	`GPLGeek`	`if your ntfs is its own drive it will probably be hdb1`
`23:11.52`	`GPLGeek`	`but if its just a partition of your first drive it will be probably hda#`
`23:12.02`	`GPLGeek`	`a b c, etc that just is the hardware index`
`23:12.32`	`GPLGeek`	`hda1 = hard drive a, partition number one`
`23:12.47`	`GPLGeek`	`so you can actually map it out in your head to figure out which one is which`
`23:12.51`	`chemiX`	`trog: thank you ... i readed man shutdown :) ... but my question is about logs ... exist any log from shuting down system ? becose i can install e to computer of my girlfriend and she want press one button tu shut down :)`
`23:12.57`	`GPLGeek`	`if you just know the order of the devices`
`23:13.56`	`GPLGeek`	`chemix, if you have a ATX system you can press the button to shut down the system`
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`23:14.45`	`trog`	`GPLGeek: you were right! :))`
`23:14.48`	`GPLGeek`	`chemiX, if its a flip switch system you might want to give her user rights to shutdown, in /etc/sudoers and then make a button for shutdown somewhere`
`23:15.29`	`GPLGeek`	`trog, right about what`
`23:16.08`	`rabe`	`GPLGeek, no it is hdb2, 2nd partition on my 2nd harddisk`
`23:16.11`	`GPLGeek`	`as far as logging goes syslogd i think logs shutdowns`
`23:16.24`	`rabe`	`but that devise is not listed in /dev/hd*`
`23:16.25`	`trog`	`about the shutting down and ATX cases...it had almost instant effect`
`23:16.32`	`GPLGeek`	`ok....`
`23:17.37`	`GPLGeek`	`rabe, im not sure what to tell you. and there is no entry for it if you type 'mount' in console?`
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`23:18.24`	`rabe`	`no`
`23:18.47`	`rabe`	`maybe my device is wrecked`
`23:19.06`	`GPLGeek`	`maybe its not getting enough power, maybe its partition information is wacked`
`23:19.59`	`chemiX`	`GPLGeek : thanx ... it works perfect :)`
`23:20.14`	`GPLGeek`	`chemiX, =) I aim to please`
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`23:21.17`	`GPLGeek`	`Sometimes easy answers are not obvious. But we are smart together. We can offer eachother solutions. 31 brains here. More powerful than any 1 brain!`
`23:21.53`	`trog`	`We are the borg, resistance is futile...`
`23:22.13`	`trog`	`:)`
`23:23.06`	`chemiX`	`:)`
`23:23.45`	`rabe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:27.29`	`PrinceAMD`	`u'r xorg`
`23:27.30`	`PrinceAMD`	`nice nice`
`23:27.40`	`rabe`	`lol`
`23:27.56`	`PrinceAMD`	`hey when is your next release?`
`23:28.35`	`PrinceAMD`	`rabe, hi, i've never seen u in here so i welcome you`
`23:32.17`	`chemiX`	`?: exist any small program for changing keyboard layout ? becose i need sometimes change EN keyboard and CS keyboard but i only find in elive panel -> user configurations -> keyboard configuration`
`23:39.02`	`PrinceAMD`	`hm...`
`23:39.26`	`PrinceAMD`	`wizard123, ping`
`23:40.11`	`elmo44`	`hey PrinceAMD, GPLGeek`
`23:40.20`	`GPLGeek`	`yes`
`23:40.28`	`elmo44`	`even though i havent seen him speak... hello roxville ;)`
`23:40.53`	`GPLGeek`	`he was on earlier`
`23:43.35`	`rabe`	`PrinceAMD, hi we meeted yesterday but my name was Eliveuser38`
`23:43.38`	`rabe`	`:)`
`23:43.59`	`elmo44`	`chemiX: your LONG shutdown may be a problem with your ATI card.`
`23:46.35`	`chemiX`	`elmo44: i have nvidea ...`
`23:47.52`	`elmo44`	`hrmm`
`23:48.00`	`elmo44`	`you have 0.6.1 ?`
`23:48.09`	`PrinceAMD`	`rabe, ohh`
`23:48.12`	`chemiX`	`elmo44: but ... when i install pure elive devel.ver. 0.5.5. all works perfect (cca 1 month ago)... but i install some programs and this bug i have 2days`
`23:48.14`	`PrinceAMD`	`elmo44, hey`
`23:48.44`	`elmo44`	`chemiX: oh. Have you updated after you installed those programs?`
`23:48.45`	`chemiX`	`elmo44: 0.6.1 ? drivers ?`
`23:48.56`	`elmo44`	`are they related to graphics or anythign?`
`23:50.38`	`chemiX`	`i think no graphics. Postgresql, and othes 'servers programs'...`
`23:51.46`	`chemiX`	`but i remeber ... i can install 'hybernation' but i only apt get ... no writing to configs and kernel changes ...`
`23:52.22`	`elmo44`	`chemiX: you isntalled drivers?`
`23:52.24`	`chemiX`	`becose it was hard work for me :(`
`23:52.28`	`elmo44`	`then things went all wonky?`
`23:52.37`	`chemiX`	`elmo44: no`
`23:53.07`	`elmo44`	`all i can say is figure out what you installed/tinkered with, and work backwards from there... sounds obvious, but it is the only way!`
`23:53.11`	`elmo44`	`(brb)`
`23:53.50`	`chemiX`	`elmo44: i use drivers from cd ( 'nvidea proprietaly old' )`
`23:56.41`	`GPLGeek`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:57.42`	`GPLGeek`	`how many tries would it take to be able to walk on your hands and go up a escalator? lol`
`23:58.08`	`GPLGeek`	`http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1200058447260450472&q=climbing`

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