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00:26.00LinuxNIT-Ihey bassie glad to have another fan
00:26.02LinuxNIT-I:D
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01:49.13i3dmasterThanatermesis, what do you feel about zsh?
01:49.48Thanatermesiswell... i have tried it long time ago but well...
01:50.04Thanatermesisi found all of i need on bash
01:50.19Thanatermesisbut zsh is very good, of course, and has nice features to bash not has
01:50.46Thanatermesisbtw is a little needed to know how to use it correctly and/or what features has... if not.. not is very useful
01:51.09i3dmasteroh ok. Im using it now. I am shocked with its powerful command completion and rich realine features
01:52.41i3dmastertrue. especially the completion configuration.
01:53.50i3dmasterI will install it as an alternative to bash so that ppl can try it, anyway I love it
01:54.24Thanatermesisyes, very good completions
01:54.46Thanatermesisfor example when you type: ssh <tab> (if i remember good), he lists all your ssh connections of you have made
01:55.15i3dmasterThanatermesis, it supports all non argument type of completions, like apt-get subcmd.
01:55.24i3dmasterThanatermesis, yes it does
01:57.24i3dmasterThanatermesis, but it does have some drowbacks according to bash. for instance, when you install a new app and it has new binary installed into /usr/bin or /sbin... or whereever in your $PATH, zsh will not see it unless you login again
01:58.58Thanatermesisuseshas a memo... in one side is more fast then
01:59.09Thanatermesiss/useshas/uses/
01:59.14Thanatermesisapt, thanks :)
01:59.14aptde rien, Thanatermesis
01:59.23Thanatermesisapt, parlez vous français ?
01:59.29Thanatermesisapt, :P
02:00.44Thanatermesisapt, eat apt
02:00.45aptACTION eats apt and falls over dead
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02:09.57revdjenkLinuxNIT!
02:10.07Thanatermesisrevdjenk!
02:10.19revdjenkhola Thanatermesis
02:10.26Thanatermesisyup revdjenk :)
02:10.41revdjenkwhat is new here in elive
02:10.57Thanatermesiswell... soon releases..
02:11.03revdjenkyay
02:11.21Thanatermesiswe have actually a test version if you like to try.. but i hope to release the 2º beta of 0.5 very soon
02:12.18revdjenkwell, I'm in a hotel using the dark side, cuz I couldn't get wifi-wiz to connect me!   Poor LinuxNIT
02:12.39revdjenkso not right now
02:12.47revdjenkI'll wait
02:12.55Thanatermesishehe
02:13.01Thanatermesisralink drivers, yes ?
02:13.11revdjenkthat is correct
02:13.29revdjenkit takes a long time sometimes to get a connection
02:13.43revdjenkthat is true even in XP
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02:15.20Thanatermesis__i hate my ISP...
02:15.24Thanatermesis__<Thanatermesis> ii  ralink-2.6.15                    cvs20060704              ralink wifi drivers
02:15.26revdjenkhee hee
02:15.26Thanatermesis__<Thanatermesis> ah, i remember this package....
02:15.28Thanatermesis__<Thanatermesis> has included directly 4 diferents drivers of ralink ;)
02:15.30Thanatermesis__<Thanatermesis> /lib/modules/2.6.15/extra/rt61.ko
02:15.32Thanatermesis__<Thanatermesis> /lib/modules/2.6.15/extra/rt2400.ko
02:15.34Thanatermesis__<Thanatermesis> /lib/modules/2.6.15/extra/rt2500.ko
02:15.40revdjenkthey now have four?
02:15.50Thanatermesis__/lib/modules/2.6.15/extra/rt2570.ko
02:15.54Thanatermesis__yes
02:15.56Thanatermesis__for ralink all
02:16.02Thanatermesis__is a package with 4 drivers of ralink ;)
02:16.41revdjenkdo you need all four? for it to work? I thought you had been using 2500
02:17.44Thanatermesis__no no... is 4 diferents.. for diferents hardware
02:17.48Thanatermesis__you have the 2500, yes
02:17.55revdjenkI believe so
02:18.01Thanatermesis__another person maybe has another ralink... but not this model/driver..
02:18.10revdjenkahhhh
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02:25.07i3dmasterThanatermesis__, do you know how to config mtu when iface uses dhcp?
02:26.38Thanatermesisno idea, sorry :/
02:26.41Thanatermesismaybe apt
02:26.43Thanatermesisapt, mtu
02:26.45aptextra, extra, read all about it, mtu is Maximum Transferrable Unit..  Maximum Transmission Unit
02:27.03Thanatermesisapt, google mtu
02:27.13Thanatermesisapt, kill apt
02:27.14aptACTION shoots a magneto-ionized anti-positrino gun at apt
02:28.08i3dmasteris the bot crazy?
02:28.14Thanatermesisa little
02:28.19Thanatermesishe only knows bad words, hehe
02:28.29Thanatermesisapt, sing
02:28.31aptACTION sings loudly
02:28.33i3dmasterwhat a lovely baby
02:28.38Thanatermesisapt, jump
02:28.40aptbonk bonk bonk
02:28.43Thanatermesisapt die
02:28.44aptACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.
02:28.53i3dmasterhehe..
02:29.03Thanatermesisapt, cook a pizza for i3dmaster
02:29.04aptACTION puts on his apron and fires up the stove.  "Your a pizza will be ready in a little while, i3dmaster."
02:29.17i3dmaster*** I kinda like this guy
02:29.22Thanatermesishehe
02:29.50Thanatermesisapt, dance
02:29.51aptextra, extra, read all about it, dance is ah, ah, ah, ah, stayin' elive, stayin' elive..
02:29.55Thanatermesis:D
02:30.04i3dmasterwhile.. I was looking at dhcp-client script and the conf file but I didn't find anywhere that I can specify the mtu value
02:30.49Thanatermesismaybe on /etc/network/interfaces ?
02:30.54i3dmasterThanatermesis, if its static, it can be added to interfaces but dhcp is a little ..
02:31.09Thanatermesisalso using dhcp... is not posible to add to interfaces ?
02:31.46i3dmasterThanatermesis, no, what I mean is if you use dhcp, like iface ath0 dhcp.. the options do not have mtu.
02:32.29i3dmasterThanatermesis, you can specify lease time, boot time, etc but not mtu..
02:35.17Thanatermesismaybe on the server of dhcp ?
02:36.38Thanatermesisiface eth0 inet dhcp
02:36.38Thanatermesisup ifconfig eth0 mtu 1450
02:37.27Thanatermesisdhttp://pastebin.ca/95517
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02:44.09i3dmasterThanatermesis, ahuh! that works for you!
02:44.21i3dmaster?
02:44.32Thanatermesisi don't know.. google :)
02:44.35i3dmasterThanatermesis, or you want me test it?
02:44.43i3dmasterok, I will test it
02:46.21i3dmasterThanatermesis, it works! it works!!!
02:46.28Thanatermesis:)
02:46.29i3dmasterThanatermesis, you'd man!
02:47.01i3dmasterThanatermesis, I've been playing around with this for days and trying to get it work.
02:47.28Thanatermesisok :)
02:48.41i3dmasterThanatermesis, we have some internal apps can't use default 1500 mtu because of some freaking weird router setup. with it, no need to manually run the cmd anymore
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02:49.32Thanatermesiswifi, eh ?
02:51.09i3dmasternot just wifi.. the edge routers have setup for not having big packages come through
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02:51.37Thanatermesissometimes wifi emisor not is very compatible with the receptor... i remember one time to one router with my card, simply lost the 45 % of all packets... i have tried all, and definitively is a problem of uncompatibility between hardwares
02:53.10i3dmasterThanatermesis, I see what you'r saying.
02:53.48i3dmasterThanatermesis, my wifi will die if I paste huge mouse buffer from remote to local or vice versa
02:54.10Thanatermesislol
02:54.14i3dmasterThanatermesis, or view tons of pics from one html page
02:54.29i3dmasterThanatermesis, bad Qos control
02:54.54Thanatermesismade in china chipsets :)
02:54.56i3dmasterbut afterall, its a crap of $20 thing
02:55.15Thanatermesisor maybe ATI chipsets O:)
02:55.27i3dmasterThanatermesis, man don't blame China... 90% stuff are from China and most of them are good
02:56.26Thanatermesisyes well, is a way to speak, normally (some years ago, on spain), very little toys to are broken fast, has a "made in china" ticket, hehe
02:57.15i3dmasterhehe... they cheap, don't expect they last longer
02:57.30Thanatermesisyeah
02:58.38i3dmasterThanatermesis, what writes the interfaces file during the boot time? Im gonna add this setting to it
02:59.06Thanatermesismmh
02:59.23Thanatermesisnothing writes the interface file.. just the network configurator applications
02:59.23i3dmasterdon't worry.. let me find out
02:59.35Thanatermesisnothing in the boot... the boot just read the file and set the network
02:59.48i3dmasterThanatermesis, the file is empty
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03:00.16Thanatermesismmh
03:00.26Thanatermesisoh
03:00.29ThanatermesisliveCd..
03:00.46Elive_user91hello?
03:00.50LinuxNIT-Ihello Elive_user91
03:01.02Elive_user91how do i use aim?
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03:01.10LinuxNIT-IElive_user91, open gaim
03:01.18LinuxNIT-Iits in the menus on the desktop
03:02.22Thanatermesiswell, is in the initramfs, i3dmaster
03:02.39Thanatermesisscripts/yuch-bottom/host
03:02.52i3dmasterThanatermesis, ok I have the structure dumpped to a dir, let me take a look
03:03.55i3dmasterah ok, I remembered... my dead brain.. I've looked those scripts before.. how come I forgot them..
03:05.41i3dmasterdone
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03:28.46elmo40quiet eh?
03:28.53adamant1988nope
03:29.05Thanatermesisppl are waiting new iso ;)
03:29.11Thanatermesisapt, do you like Elive ?
03:29.12aptyes, I like Elive.
03:29.16Thanatermesislol
03:31.50elmo40i also like eLive
03:32.05elmo40install was nice, apps are nice
03:32.17Thanatermesis:)
03:32.23elmo40that 'elive control panel' is a sweet app
03:32.41Thanatermesisapt, elpanel
03:32.42aptit has been said that elpanel is the powered center of control of Elive, where all the answers of your questions are, your heart is prepaired for discover all features ? ;)
03:32.52Thanatermesisapt, elpanel Thanatermesis
03:32.54aptelpanel elpanel elpanel, this is the answer to your question and the solution of all your problems, try it, Thanatermesis ;)
03:33.06Thanatermesishehe
03:34.26elmo40lol
03:34.34elmo40what is the screen shot app called?
03:34.40elmo40the command line one
03:34.51Thanatermesiselmo40, http://thanatermesis.org/tmp/shots/nada-borrar1.jpg
03:35.05Thanatermesistry "capturar nameshot", and look on /tmp/shots
03:41.54elmo40i cant seem to upload it!
03:42.01elmo40says the file format is not supported...
03:42.06elmo40but it is called a .jpg
03:42.10elmo40i am confused :\
03:44.33Thanatermesiswhere ?
03:46.07elmo40http://tinyurl.co.uk/0j1c
03:46.10elmo40ok, it worked on this one
03:54.28elmo40have a wuestion
03:54.48elmo40why is my computer using 100% RAM and zero Swap?
03:55.54Thanatermesisyour ram is not really in use, is cached
03:56.24elmo40buffered?
03:56.31Thanatermesiswhen your system needs more ram, the size of the cached turns more small for take a place to this new size needed (if is not cached... this is why is cached ;))
03:57.05Thanatermesissimilar to a buffer, but not is totally the same
03:57.46elmo40so, when i use top, what are the values for?
03:57.53elmo40Mem:    386100k total,   359644k used,    26456k free,    39784k buffers
03:58.05elmo40cause it says Used... not buffered
03:59.10Thanatermesisis used... by "cached", but you have in really ("used" - "buffers") used
03:59.25elmo40so that is normal?
03:59.29elmo40what is your TOP??
03:59.49Thanatermesisyes, is perfectly normal
04:00.03ThanatermesisWHEN your RAM is really all used, then your system use the SWAP
04:01.05elmo40just seems like things open too slowly
04:01.16elmo40maybe cuz i am only using a 1.6GHz ;)
04:01.34Thanatermesishdparm /dev/hda | grep dma
04:01.55elmo40<PROTECTED>
04:02.07i3dmasterelmo40, I have 1.6 P4M, its fast.. while when you also work on a PIII650 with 128M mem...
04:02.20Thanatermesisoh... off
04:02.27Thanatermesisthis is your problem then
04:02.31i3dmasterelmo40, the avil mem should be = buffers+free+cached
04:03.06elmo40now, what is the diff of on/off?
04:03.09elmo40what does it do?
04:03.13i3dmasterand your swap... don't need more than 256M
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04:03.42adamant1988hey all
04:03.44Thanatermesisdma is very important
04:03.46Thanatermesisapt, dma
04:03.48aptextra, extra, read all about it, dma is (Direct Memory Access) PCs have DMA channels that allow certain devices to directly access memory in order to speed up the process.
04:03.56adamant1988exactly
04:04.01i3dmasterelmo40, direct memory access...
04:04.10i3dmasterhe, you bot...
04:04.28Thanatermesiselmo40, look at this:  hdparm -t /dev/hda
04:04.32Thanatermesiswhat result give you ?
04:05.08Thanatermesisis the speed of reading the hard disk... when you don't use DMA, you read VERY more slow... and no only disk... when you read the had disk, your computer uses all the CPU
04:05.10i3dmasterhere is the setting I used on mine baby...
04:05.12i3dmasterhdparm -qa256 -qc3 -qA1 -qK1 -qu1 -qm16 -qW0 -qd1 /dev/hda
04:05.30Thanatermesisbig parameters :)
04:05.35i3dmasterya
04:05.54Thanatermesisbut... why don't have you DMA enabled by default, elmo40 ? you are using Elive 0.3 ?
04:06.01i3dmastertry to extract every single blood from my hard disk
04:06.35Thanatermesishehe
04:07.03i3dmasteryou paid for use them, why not. right?
04:08.39Thanatermesisyes
04:10.17Thanatermesiswhat is "multcount" ?
04:11.36Thanatermesiselmo40, what is your benchmark of hdparm ?
04:11.39elmo400.4
04:11.54Thanatermesiswow
04:11.59Thanatermesismb/sec ?
04:12.26elmo40ok, it went from 3 to 12.4 MB/sec
04:12.40Thanatermesis<PROTECTED>
04:13.00Thanatermesistry this:  hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda
04:13.17elmo40did it already
04:13.31Thanatermesiswhat motherboard chipset you have ?
04:13.38Thanatermesiswhat version of Elive you use ?
04:13.46elmo40dont remmeb... give me a sec
04:13.51elmo40it is a POS old HP
04:14.41Thanatermesis1.6 Ghz old ?
04:14.54i3dmasterhdparm -c3 /dev/hda ... turn on 32bit i/o, quite useful too
04:14.56Thanatermesiswhat is my 360 Mhz then ?
04:15.10LinuxNIT-IThanatermesis, ancient
04:15.12LinuxNIT-I;)
04:15.22Thanatermesisdinosaur ?
04:15.25i3dmasterThanatermesis, are you kidding me? you use 360Mhz?
04:15.26LinuxNIT-Iyes
04:15.33Thanatermesisi3dmaster, my laptop... yes
04:15.34elmo40<PROTECTED>
04:15.50i3dmasterThanaterm, what can I say...
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04:16.05Thanatermesisbut the RAM slot is broken and only has the main memory... i have switch from 200 Mb to 64 :/
04:16.08elmo40so where is the bottleneck???
04:16.11i3dmasterThanaterm, I thought I am old enough for having a PIII650
04:16.17Thanatermesishehe
04:16.36Thanatermesisi like my laptop... but with only 64 mb of ram... i fly a little less :(
04:16.56i3dmasterThanatermesis, that's really way toooooooo old..
04:16.58elmo40i prob have a shitty HDD
04:17.00Thanatermesisi3dmaster, the theme of you have look for entrance on my homepage... are made entirely on this laptop ;)
04:17.03elmo40200RPM :-P
04:17.25Thanatermesis200 rpm ? o_O
04:17.30elmo40;)
04:17.39i3dmasterhow can I believe you..
04:17.48elmo40i think i hear a squeek inside it... damn hampster needs a drink
04:18.17Thanatermesisi3dmaster, well... nobody can posible to say to this theme for entrance needs big requeriments since are made on this laptop ;)
04:18.19i3dmasterThanatermesis, man you'd love linux ... lives pretty much on everything
04:18.36Thanatermesisyes, i love linux :)
04:18.43Thanatermesisand apt also
04:18.47Thanatermesisapt, do you like linux ?
04:18.53aptyes, I like linux.
04:19.10i3dmasterof course he does.
04:19.16i3dmasterapt, no linux no apt!
04:19.22Thanatermesishehehe
04:20.11i3dmasterThanatermesis, want to share with you a tool. divine. do you know that?
04:20.28Thanatermesisno... what is ?
04:20.30Thanatermesisapt, divine
04:20.31aptautomatic IP configuration detection for laptops. URL: http://www.fefe.de/divine/
04:20.59i3dmasterThanatermesis, heard from one of my friends...
04:21.23Thanatermesisah, good :)
04:21.29i3dmasterThanatermesis, will play with it and see if there is a place for it in the liveCD.
04:21.41Thanatermesisautomatic ip configuration.. for no dhcp service ?
04:22.27elmo40why did you add  w/sunc   to your IO_support?
04:23.22elmo40apt dma
04:23.24apt[dma] (Direct Memory Access) PCs have DMA channels that allow certain devices to directly access memory in order to speed up the process.
04:23.37i3dmasterThanatermesis, no its for pre network stage. say, you always switch your location, some have wifi, some if fixed, some roaming... and with diff IPs, subnets. you can line them up in the divine conf file and when bootup, divine will determine where you are located and active that interface.
04:23.59elmo40it did improve, but still damn slow. I think it is the hdd. Too old (only 5gb) LOL
04:24.23Thanatermesishum
04:24.29i3dmasterelmo40, is it always slow... or it just slow down?
04:24.31Thanatermesisbut this is not what made also interfaces ?
04:24.49elmo40come to think of it, even compared to windoze, it is the same :P
04:24.51Thanatermesisi have 2 configurations on my laptop for network... and it are connected to the network to "exists"
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04:25.16i3dmasterelmo40, do sysctl -a |grep swappiness
04:25.30Thanatermesiselmo40, what chipset has your motherboard ?
04:26.30elmo40vm.swappiness = 60
04:26.44elmo40Thanatermesis: withought opening it up, how do i tell?
04:26.52i3dmastersysctl -w vm.swappiness=0
04:27.06i3dmasterdon't swap if you have a VERY slow hard disk
04:27.23elmo40what does 60 mean? a percentage?
04:27.24ThanatermesisElive_user, lspci
04:27.27i3dmasteryes
04:27.40i3dmasternormally, swap 60%
04:27.50ThanatermesisElive_user, lspci | grep IDE
04:28.12elmo400000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801BA IDE U100 (rev 02
04:28.50elmo40much appreciate the help!
04:29.01Thanatermesiselmo40, modprobe piix
04:29.19Thanatermesiswhat version of Elive you run ? cat /etc/elive-version
04:29.32elmo40not found... so i guess i should compile my kernel, eh?
04:29.47elmo400.4.2
04:29.55LinuxNIT-Iwhat do you need a module for?
04:30.03Thanatermesishum, this is a old kernel...
04:30.08Thanatermesiselmo40, try the beta of 0.5
04:30.17ThanatermesisLinuxNIT, DMA, he has DMA disabled
04:30.30LinuxNIT-Ihmm
04:30.44Thanatermesiselmo40, use the version of the topic of #elive-unstable
04:31.06elmo40but why would that change anything? I think I would rather compile a newer kernel to my hardware specs... woudlnt you agree?
04:31.11elmo40and use the piix module?
04:31.53Thanatermesisi think.. to its piix
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04:32.28Thanatermesisyou can try to compile your kernel if you like... or use directly a new iso of Elive with another version of the kernel (2.6.12 -> 2.6.15)
04:33.10elmo40but all my settings/files currently on this machine?
04:33.45Thanatermesissettings = /etc, make a backup, is small... files.. it are on a separed /home partition ?
04:34.10elmo40same partition
04:34.14elmo40i will see...
04:34.46elmo40but piix is for my chipset? I did not know that :-\
04:35.09Thanatermesiswell.. burn a CD then... i recomend you to make a separed partition for the home the next time, the installer has a new feature to save the users and theirs files of the old system
04:35.14elmo40and what will help my Radeon 9600 ?
04:35.25Thanatermesisbtw... you can use *just* the liveCD mode for look if your DMA works or not
04:36.02i3dmasterelmo40, and recommend ck patches for whatever kernel level you want to compile. his patches are good at fix cpu and mem issues
04:36.50elmo40from the eLive website?
04:36.53LinuxNIT-Ii found a site says to do this to enable dma.. did you have him try this Thanatermesis ? /sbin/hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
04:36.57elmo40or kernel.org?
04:37.09elmo40LinuxNIT-I: yes ;)
04:37.11Thanatermesiselmo40, the iso ? no... from the topic of #elive-unstable channel
04:37.15LinuxNIT-Ik
04:37.35ThanatermesisLinuxNIT, yes.. her problem is the chipset module of the kernel i think
04:37.41i3dmasterhttp://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/
04:38.14elmo40Thanatermesis: so the intel is a 'weak' chipset? Or i need to open it up with a kernel module?
04:39.09Thanatermesisit needs to are loaded automatically, elmo40, autodetected by the kernel (normally)
04:39.40elmo40but said Not Found. So i guess it didnt load.
04:40.59Thanatermesistry: depmod -ae
04:41.11Thanatermesisis strange if you don't have this module
04:41.19Thanatermesiscd /lib/modules ; buscar piix
04:41.33LinuxNIT-Ipcimodules
04:41.51LinuxNIT-Iwill list all that SHOULD be loaded
04:41.59LinuxNIT-Igenerally works quite well
04:42.26ThanatermesisLinuxNIT, but is a module for the chipset of the motherboard (ide controlers)
04:43.04LinuxNIT-Ipaste all of lspci in #elive-flood
04:43.47LinuxNIT-Ielmo40, it said module not found on piix?
04:44.02LinuxNIT-Inm im behind ill shut up
04:45.20Thanatermesisaparently not found the module, yes
04:48.01LinuxNIT-Iand running depmod did not fix it?
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04:48.55LinuxNIT-IThanatermesis, what about ata_piix/
04:48.57LinuxNIT-I?
04:48.59Thanatermesisaparently no
04:49.09Thanatermesismmh, i think to its a IDE
04:49.19LinuxNIT-Ioh
04:49.27Thanatermesisata.. well, try it elmo40
04:49.27LinuxNIT-Iinsmod?
04:49.49LinuxNIT-Ican i see all of lspci?
04:50.30Thanatermesisping elmo40
04:50.45Thanatermesis<elmo40> 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801BA IDE U100 (rev 02
04:50.56LinuxNIT-Iwhat about the rest of it
04:51.14Thanatermesisis the result of lspci | grep IDE
04:53.20LinuxNIT-Ielmo40, ?
05:00.24elmo40sorry
05:00.55elmo40thesew are all the modules
05:01.00elmo40intel-agp
05:01.01elmo40hw_random
05:01.01elmo40uhci-hcd
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05:01.03elmo40radeonfb
05:01.05elmo40bttv
05:01.08elmo40bt878
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05:01.20i3dmasterThanatermesis, bmpx is avail in debian too. its a good candidate for replacement of bmp
05:01.51Thanatermesisbmp ? the audio player ?
05:01.56Thanatermesiswell, Elive don't use bmp
05:03.22elmo40i flooded the other room LinuxNIT-I
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05:03.54i3dmasterThanatermesis, oh.. what elive uses ?
05:04.03Thanatermesisxmms :)
05:04.15LinuxNIT-Ithanks
05:04.43i3dmasterThanatermesis, oh ok.. bmpx is way way better than that.
05:04.56Thanatermesisis the better audio player (standard).... but has also mplayer, cplay, eclair... mmmh... oxine, a stream player...
05:05.00LinuxNIT-Ielmo40, did you run depmod?
05:05.10Thanatermesiswell, xmms has nice plugins
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05:05.29i3dmasterThanatermesis, so does bmpx and bmp.
05:06.06i3dmasterThanatermesis, all skins from xmms can be used on bmp and bmpx
05:06.26i3dmasterand they are based on gtk2 framework, apply all the gkt2 themes
05:06.53Thanatermesisesound plugin ? visual plugins ? output plugins ? wma support ?
05:06.56i3dmasterjust keep it in mind... dont have to change
05:06.57Thanatermesismmh, what is the package of bmp ?
05:07.04i3dmasterThanatermesis, oh ya
05:07.28i3dmasterThanatermesis, I guess more than that. bmpx is heavily developing now
05:08.01i3dmasterbeep-media-player, and bmpx
05:08.41Thanatermesisbmpx not looks on etch
05:09.13i3dmasterhttp://beep-media-player.org/site/BMPx_Homepage
05:09.38i3dmasterThanatermesis, there is an unofficial package
05:10.37i3dmasterbanshee type of library management system and streamtuner type of online player
05:10.57Thanatermesiswhat is the main diference between the normal version and bmpx ?
05:11.15i3dmasterbmpx = 2.0 as of bmp = 1.0
05:11.53Thanatermesisuh... only those 2 output plugins ? http://bmp.beep-media-player.org/index.php/Plugin_list
05:12.44i3dmasterhttp://bmpx.beep-media-player.org/site/Add-ons
05:13.44ThanatermesisLOL  http://bmpx.beep-media-player.org/images/Bmpx-compiz.jpg
05:14.12i3dmasterya
05:14.39i3dmasterwell.. just something you can take a look and keep in mind
05:14.59Thanatermesisok
05:24.20ThanatermesisLinuxNIT, is the ifox or the ipox theme to are broken ?
05:24.39LinuxNIT-Ineither
05:24.48Thanatermesisapt x en es neither
05:25.07LinuxNIT-Ithe broken one was an unofficial one designed for MAC only
05:25.15Thanatermesisoh.. ok
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05:26.40LinuxNIT-I;)
05:29.57elmo40thnx Thanatermesis for your help
05:30.02elmo40i will bug you guys tmrw ;)
05:30.21Thanatermesishehe
05:32.33ThanatermesisLinuxNIT-I, do you have tried themes for thunderbird ?
05:32.42LinuxNIT-Ii have not
05:32.49LinuxNIT-Iwould you like me to?
05:33.05Thanatermesiswell.. im looking some but i don't look any good
05:33.30Thanatermesisthe better to looks is "tiger mail".. try it and tell me what you think
05:33.37Thanatermesisin comparation to the original
05:33.52LinuxNIT-Iok
05:34.02Thanatermesisit looks better.. if not has those ugly old icons :/
05:36.01Thanatermesisvery ugly old icons.. yes
05:41.26LinuxNIT-IThanatermesis, what gkt theme are you using?
05:41.37LinuxNIT-Iim using the night setup right now
05:41.46Thanatermesisindustrial
05:41.57LinuxNIT-Ik cause it looks aweful on night
05:41.58LinuxNIT-I:D
05:42.05LinuxNIT-Iill check it on idustrial
05:43.51LinuxNIT-IThanatermesis, on industrial i think it looks better than the defualt
05:43.57LinuxNIT-Ilooks nice
05:44.16Thanatermesiswell... it need a hack for the top icons then
05:45.13LinuxNIT-Iwhich ones?
05:45.22Thanatermesis"write, reply"... etc
05:45.59LinuxNIT-Iyou dont like them?
05:46.29Thanatermesisno... are very ugly and old
05:46.38Thanatermesisits better the default ones
05:46.49LinuxNIT-I:-/
05:47.24Thanatermesisyou don't think so ?
05:48.08LinuxNIT-Ino
05:48.09LinuxNIT-I:D
05:48.12Thanatermesishehe
05:49.09LinuxNIT-I:D
05:49.16LinuxNIT-Idifferent tastes
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05:54.47LinuxNIT-IThanatermesis, i found a nice one
05:54.51LinuxNIT-Iaquabird
05:55.02LinuxNIT-Ihttps://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/1241/
05:55.50LinuxNIT-IThanatermesis, it has nice icons ;)
05:56.03LinuxNIT-Iwell I think so anyway
05:56.15LinuxNIT-Iyou..... who would know
05:56.17LinuxNIT-I;)
05:56.30Thanatermesiswell, this looks better :)
05:56.40LinuxNIT-Ihehe
05:56.43Thanatermesisuh!
05:56.45LinuxNIT-Ii like it
05:56.47LinuxNIT-Iwhat?
05:56.49Thanatermesisunreadable menus xD
05:56.55Thanatermesisright click
05:57.19Thanatermesishum...
05:57.35LinuxNIT-Ithe unreadable part is the greyed out part
05:57.38LinuxNIT-I:-/
05:58.43Thanatermesismmmh, if you enter on a section where don't has emails, you have a white fonts menu
05:59.00LinuxNIT-Ihehe
05:59.05Thanatermesisor...
05:59.25Thanatermesisits because is the "non options" of a non-existent message ?
06:00.19LinuxNIT-Iyes
06:01.06Thanatermesiswell.. this looks better than the before
06:01.15LinuxNIT-I:D
06:05.33LinuxNIT-Io .libs/libjpeg.so.62.0.0
06:05.33LinuxNIT-Ig++: /usr/lib/gcc/i386-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.4/crtbeginS.o: No such file or directory
06:05.33LinuxNIT-Ig++: /usr/lib/gcc/i386-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.4/crtendS.o: No such file or directory
06:05.33LinuxNIT-Imake: *** [libjpeg.la] Error 1
06:05.34LinuxNIT-I!!! ERROR: media-libs/jpeg-6b-r7 fai
06:05.39LinuxNIT-Ishit sorry
06:05.43LinuxNIT-Iwrong windwo
06:05.56Thanatermesislol
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07:16.10Boubahi thanatermesis!:) ,how are you? are you working hard?
07:16.22Thanatermesisevery time ;)
07:16.31Boubaeheheh i know;)
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08:01.27odlahi
08:01.34LinuxNIT-IIhello
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12:02.48wasynytand good day to everyone
12:02.51wasynyt:D
12:05.22wasynytno-one here :S
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12:15.26wasynytgood day soatola
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13:28.31wasynytgood day pale_horse
13:28.48pale_horsehey wasynyt
13:29.17wasynythow are you doing
13:40.09pale_horsedoing well, pales_rider and I are on vacation together
13:40.57wasynytthat sounds great
13:41.30pale_horseyeah we both drove 11 hours to meet in the middle
13:41.54wasynytheh
13:41.55wasynyt:D
13:42.07wasynytare you in somekind of hotel or what ?
13:42.24pale_horseyeah
13:42.28wasynyt:D
13:42.31wasynytgreat
13:44.17wasynyti have to go now to eat something
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14:32.55roxvillelol, that's how long ya'll could stay away :D
14:33.34roxvillewasynyt, and GOOD to see you, buddy! how's the military?
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14:34.48roxvillepale_horse, pales_rider hehe... you have two laptops too... :)
14:35.02roxvillewhere are you  two now?
14:35.22pale_horsein ohio
14:35.34roxvilleok :)
14:35.48pale_horseI got here at 1700 yesterday
14:36.06pale_horse11 hours me me
14:36.16wasynytheh
14:36.24wasynytgood afternoon roxville
14:36.30pale_horsewasynyt, are you a soldier yet ?
14:36.33wasynytyeah
14:36.35wasynyti am
14:36.43pale_horsecongratulations
14:36.43wasynyt2 weeks of training ....
14:36.47wasynytmany ahead
14:36.54roxvillepale_horse,  when you were in the army... you were not the map reader in vietnam... were you? :)
14:37.17wasynythmm... more playing.. i might be a little away at times
14:37.28pale_horseas a helicopter crew chief and gunner I occasionally had to do that
14:37.45pale_horsealso carried the SOI on occasion
14:37.55roxville"Come in, Tigerthirteen, what is your location?"
14:38.25roxville(young pale_horse) "HQ... vietnam...?"
14:38.50pale_horseno in tactical conditions we used classified callsigns
14:39.04roxvilleok, ok...
14:39.32pale_horsesee we knew for a fact that they monitored our transmissions
14:39.38roxvilleohio is a close enough description, then :)
14:39.45pale_horseon occasion we used encrypted voice
14:40.08pale_horsewe are in dayton for the time being
14:40.21roxvillepale_horse, i was just teasing ya, bro
14:40.33pale_horsenp :)
14:40.38roxville:)
14:40.40wasynyt:D
14:41.02pale_horsethis is an open access point though, the motel has 3
14:41.42roxvillei ccan understand the caution now, though... can't be fun to KNOW that viet cong IS listening...
14:42.01pale_horseuh huh
14:42.19roxvilleok pale_horse  roger that... i won't ask for room number, i promise :D
14:42.28wasynytheh
14:42.38pale_horsewas mostly the NVA that we worried about - they had crew served weapons
14:42.54wasynytnva +
14:43.03wasynytnva ?
14:43.08pale_horsenorth vietnamese army
14:43.14wasynytahh
14:43.14wasynytl
14:43.15pale_horsetrained and motivated
14:43.16wasynytk
14:43.21wasynyt:/
14:43.34wasynyta serious oponent
14:43.56roxvillewasynyt, i'm glad you were able to log in too... i missed when you left
14:43.56pale_horseyes they were and we were on their territory
14:44.08roxvillei thought i wouldn't see you for 10 months!]
14:44.13wasynytheh
14:44.21wasynytwell i will be here once in awhile..
14:44.57wasynytpale_horse, yeah  motivated and defending oponent is really strong oponent
14:45.23pale_horsethis is true
14:46.19wasynyt:/
14:46.29wasynyti have nod had tactical training yet :/
14:46.38wasynytonly fysical and weapon training
14:47.02pale_horsewhat weapons are you learing ?
14:47.10wasynytrk 62...
14:47.37wasynytfinnish made ak 47 modification... really good weapon
14:47.47wasynytat least that is what i know
14:47.49pale_horselike the valmet then
14:47.57wasynytit is the valmet
14:48.10wasynytreally
14:48.13wasynyt:D
14:48.17roxvillevalmet make great tractors too...
14:48.30pale_horsethey do ? never seen one
14:48.41wasynytyeah...
14:48.53wasynytthey make oneof the best tractors
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14:49.15pale_horseI have had only ford john deere and kubota
14:49.18wasynytk
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14:50.13roxvillehello Elive_user3
14:50.31wasynythttp://www.valtra.com/
14:51.49wasynythttp://world.guns.ru/assault/as43-e.htm
14:52.02wasynytIn general, all Sako / Valmet Rk.62 family weapons are first class quality firearms that designed to withstand extreme environmental conditions of the Nordic Europe.
14:52.08wasynyt:D
14:52.21wasynytthat weapon is fun to shoot with....
14:53.54roxvillehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/07/20/ms_xen_love/
14:54.10roxvillethis is almost scary too...
14:55.22wasynythmm
14:55.24wasynyt:D
15:01.15wasynythow is elive doing
15:02.05roxvillewasynyt,  not bad... thana is overwhelmed with his todo-list....
15:02.19roxvillebut 0.5 is almost here, i think
15:02.39roxvillehe doesn't know what to save for 0.6 now...
15:02.57wasynytk
15:03.11wasynytcan i see the todo list or is it only in thanas head
15:03.16roxvilleanyway... he's shooting for having 1.0 out by the time etch becomes stable...
15:03.23wasynytk
15:03.27wasynytsounds good
15:03.33roxvilleit ison thanas xpad...
15:03.57wasynytk
15:04.02wasynytthen i wont ask it..
15:04.10wasynyti just hope that thana can handle it
15:04.20roxvilleyeah, me too...
15:04.32roxvillebut he seems pretty happy
15:05.07roxville<Thanatermesis> YARGH!!!! FUCKING FIREFOX FROM MY ASS!
15:05.07roxville<Thanatermesis> I HATE YOU, FIREFOX!
15:05.17roxville<Thanatermesis> fucking stuf.... why don't works ?
15:05.25roxvillesee? happy :)
15:05.30wasynythmm
15:05.31wasynyt:D
15:05.38wasynytdoes not sound like happy
15:05.45wasynytbut it is fiefox....
15:05.46roxvillewell...
15:05.49roxville<Thanatermesis> IT WORKS !!!! IT WORKS !!!!!
15:05.49roxville<Thanatermesis> IS ALIVE !!!! err.... ELIVE !!! IS ELIVE !!!!
15:05.49roxville<Thanatermesis> well... 12:20 PM... i think to i can go to the bed now :)
15:05.57egrubThanatermesis, que versión estas usando el firefox?
15:06.12roxvilleegrub,  he is sleeping
15:06.22wasynytroxville, :P
15:06.28wasynytgood evening egrub
15:06.29roxvilleel bed... zzzzzzzz.....]
15:06.31egrubroxville, ok
15:06.54roxville:)
15:07.48wasynytheh
15:09.27egrubroxville, Thanatermesis dream about cenicientas
15:09.28egrubxD
15:11.13egrubroxville, te gustó la pelicula "Ultraviolet"?
15:14.02pales_riderhi roxville
15:14.22wasynytgood evening pales_rider
15:14.36pales_riderhiiiii wasynyt
15:15.35wasynythi !!
15:15.37wasynyt:D
15:15.39pales_riderhow are you?
15:15.45pales_riderare you doing ok?
15:15.57wasynytyeah i am doing great... how are you
15:16.12wasynythmmm....  to the sauna...
15:16.22pales_riderim wonderful  pale_horse and i are on vacation together
15:16.40wasynytyeah i heard congrats
15:16.45pales_riderwe are a mess..we both brought laptops...lol
15:16.47pales_riderty
15:17.08pales_ridernice
15:17.16wasynytyeah
15:17.33pales_rideryou are in a sauna on you laptop?
15:17.44pales_ridernow thats cool
15:17.45roxvilleegrub, hehe
15:17.56egrub:)
15:17.58wasynytnope
15:18.07wasynyti will go to sauna in leave my laptop here
15:18.11wasynyt;P
15:18.35pales_riderahhh ok
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15:21.28roxvillein finland they make business decisions based on how long the proposed partner can sit in the sauna...
15:21.46pales_riderno way
15:22.31roxvillelol pales_rider  i think they used to... really... not everyone, but... if someone is tough enough...
15:22.51roxvilleyou know, to "check 'em out"
15:23.41roxvilleto see if they have "sisu"
15:23.47pales_riderohhhh i see
15:23.59pales_ridersisu?
15:24.02roxville"sisu" is a little hard to explain... but it's a mix of stamina and willpower
15:24.12pales_riderok
15:24.50pales_riderso decisions are made by the size of their..umm "package"?
15:25.34roxvilleif a finn tells you you have sisu.... it's REALLY good... an honor
15:25.43roxvillepales_rider,  no no... :D
15:25.52pales_riderohhhhhhhh lmao
15:26.10roxvillebut to sit in almost 200F heat for over an hour...
15:26.15pales_ridernow i get it...LOL
15:26.36roxvillehehe...
15:27.35roxvilles/pale_rider/pales_rider's
15:27.55roxvilledamn... i can never get that right...
15:28.32pales_rideri know someone who has ALOT of sisu...but we wont go there...lmao
15:31.40roxvillehehe
15:32.01roxvilleanyway... i didn't mean sexual stamina... i should have picked another word...
15:32.15roxvillebut none came to mind...
15:32.17roxville:)
15:35.04wasynythmm
15:35.43wasynytwonders what pales_rider is thinking..
15:36.07wasynytperson who has sisu can stand against the odds
15:36.11wasynytit is that simple
15:36.15wasynyt:D
15:37.33roxville:D
15:37.52wasynytheh
15:38.01wasynyteveryone should
15:38.03wasynyt:P
15:38.10roxvillehmmm...
15:38.18wasynytheh
15:38.22roxville:)
15:38.27wasynyt:D
15:38.32wasynytwhat are you thinking
15:38.33wasynyt?
15:38.35pales_rider:D
15:38.39wasynyt:D
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15:42.48roxvillemuhahahahaaaaaaaaaa
15:43.26roxvillehmm... i didn't need that hyphen there...
15:45.49roxvillewasynyt, it's saturday in late july... ppl are lazy... outside... grilling... swimming...
15:46.03roxvilleand... waiting for thana to announce 0.5 stable :)
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15:53.42roxvillehello big_g :)
15:53.47roxvillehello Elive_user2
15:54.20roxvilleand... hi Detox  how are you, dude?
15:59.56roxvillewasynyt, you have been gone for two weeks... and are you are still in the top at most active chatter...
16:00.38roxvillei just barely made it to number one... being gone for the past two weeks... you are number 2
16:00.57roxvilleyou would have been number one if you weren't gone... it's amazing
16:02.27Begasustrying to take over his place roxville?
16:02.28Begasus:)
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16:08.43roxvilleBegasus,  lol
16:08.52roxvillehello odla and EisKalt
16:09.10roxvillewelcome to #elive
16:09.26Begasuslol
16:09.32Begasushi wasynyt!
16:09.35Begasuswake up!
16:10.05roxvilleBegasus, but it's amazing... wasynyt is amazing at greeting the users... it took me two weeks to pass him...
16:10.26Begasushehe
16:10.54BegasusI remember in another channel that there was a guy that told someone not to say hi to all the people entering ...
16:11.02BegasusI think it was getting on his nerves ;)
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16:14.24odlaroxville: hi
16:15.38roxvilleBegasus,  hehe... well i don't think that will happen here... it's nice to have someone greet you at the gates :)
16:15.57Begasus:D
16:15.59Begasushi odla
16:16.06odlaBegasus: hi
16:16.12roxvilleodla, are you using elive, or just checking it out? :)
16:16.16odlai'm burning elive development right now
16:16.28odlai love debian and i love e17
16:16.32odlaso i thought i would try elive
16:16.58roxvilleyep, sounds like you might like it :)
16:17.23roxvilleodla which dev release?
16:17.41odlaElive-unstable-cvs20060526
16:18.06roxvilleok, good :)
16:18.22odlaentrance or gdm default?
16:18.34roxvilleentrance... of course
16:18.45odla:)
16:18.48roxvilleoh... and it defaults to e16
16:19.15roxvillebut there's an icon in the lower left... click on that and you'll get a list
16:19.22odlaok
16:19.33roxvilleit's a short list...
16:20.11roxvilleEisKalt,  are you running elive already?
16:20.52roxvilleBegasus, EisKalt  may be from... belgium?
16:21.03roxvillei haven't seen that ip before
16:21.11BegasusEisKalt?
16:21.29Begasusname sounds more german (but that could be part of Belgium too) ;)
16:22.18odlaok i'll be back after rebooting into elive
16:27.35wasynytso anything new here
16:27.37wasynyt:D
16:27.55Begasusthat's cheating guys!!
16:28.01roxville:D
16:28.07wasynytgood evening Begasus
16:28.09wasynytwhat is
16:28.10Begasushehe hi wasynyt :)
16:28.12wasynyt:S
16:28.16Begasususing /me :P
16:28.20wasynytheh
16:28.34wasynytwell i dont think so :P
16:29.39wasynytso how are you doing Begasus
16:30.01Begasusfine thnx .. busy like hell ;)
16:30.21Begasusmaking sure next ZETA is even better then previous :D
16:30.29wasynythuh ?
16:30.42wasynytwhat is zeta
16:35.45Thinkhi there
16:35.56wasynytgood evening Think
16:36.01Begasushowdy Think
16:36.02wasynytapt slap Begasus
16:36.04aptACTION slaps Begasus, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
16:36.06ThinkHi
16:36.11Begasushmmmmmm
16:36.19Begasusthat's cheating too!!
16:36.28Begasuscalling for someone else :P
16:36.35wasynytheh
16:36.36Thinkare there new updates for elive 0.5
16:36.53Thinkavailible
16:36.54wasynyti dont like slapping.. and bots live to serve :P
16:36.59wasynythmm
16:37.23Thinkok
16:38.59roxvilleThink, the stable will be out pretty soon... and with xorg7 and other things on it
16:39.10Thinklol
16:39.10wasynytthat sounds great
16:39.12wasynyt:D
16:39.18Thinkwhen
16:39.25roxvillecan't say exactly when, though... Thanatermesis  is working his ass off...
16:39.30wasynytyeah
16:39.37Thinkyeah
16:39.43wasynytand i would not recomend to push him
16:39.45roxvillebut he's got a loooong list of stuff to fix
16:39.49Think4 month
16:40.00wasynyt-> food
16:40.09roxville4 months? no, more like withing two weeks
16:40.18Thinklol
16:40.23roxville:D
16:40.39Thinkthan i wait for stabel version
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16:41.25wasynytgood evening Smjor
16:41.48SmjorGood evening wasynyt!
16:42.21SmjorHows the weather up in Linus-land?
16:44.09roxvilleahhh danske dynamite.... hey Smjor :)
16:44.45SmjorTjena!
16:44.54roxville:)
16:45.13Smjor(",)
16:45.35roxvilleThink,  i bet it's hot in holland too... right?
16:47.26SmjorSo, I finally made freenx work with elive... Its the best remote desktop solution ever.
16:49.12roxvilleyeah, i read about it... awesome!
16:49.21roxvilleSmjor, and it works well?
16:49.40roxvilleSmjor, you NEED to talk to thana about that...
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16:52.03odlai can't log into the elive cd
16:52.08odlai can enter the username but not the password
16:52.18odlait won't let me
16:52.58odlaany ideas why?
16:54.26wasynytpress enter after the user name not tab
16:54.27wasynyt...
16:54.40odlahmm...
16:54.43odlai thought i tried that
16:54.46odlai'll try again
16:58.02Smjorroxville, check out ftp://inter.dnsalias.net/elive_freenx.JPG
17:00.21Smjornear local speed. I can easily play i.e. elive-essence at the remote machine and listen to it smoothly, while smooth-scrolling a heavy flash-animated website!
17:00.24elmo40Smjor: nice shot
17:00.38elmo40what is the clock in the bottom called? How do i get one of those?
17:00.48Smjorthats the clock module.
17:00.59Smjoryou can choose it the control panel.
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17:01.51Smjoryou choose "enabled" instead of "loaded"
17:02.08elmo40what file do i alter?
17:03.43Smjoryou don't have to alter anything. "right-click on desktop" > "configuration" > "configuration panel" > "module settings", mark the "clock"-module and choose "enabled" on the right, then "apply".
17:04.06elmo40e17?
17:04.11Smjoryes
17:04.14elmo40oh
17:04.17elmo40i am in e16 ;)
17:04.39Smjordo you have engage running?
17:05.00elmo40that is the toolbar thing at the bottom?
17:05.14Smjoryes, the one with the icons.'
17:05.15elmo40ok, i have elapse going... good enough ;)
17:05.52Smjorright, you can get a clock for that too, if you want (not exactly the same though).
17:06.22roxvillewow, looks and sounds great!
17:06.37roxvillehi Mathesis
17:06.44roxvillewelcome to #elive
17:06.50Smjor:-)
17:07.31Mathesisroxville: Mathesis == coyote10 xD
17:07.46roxvilleahhh Mathesis :)
17:07.58roxvilleyou old... coyote :)
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17:08.26roxvilleodle... still no luck?
17:08.28odlahrm...i can log in as root but i can't seem to set up my wireless card properly
17:08.41odlai've edited /etc/network/interfaces
17:08.47Smjorwhats the problem?
17:08.50elmo40one thing that bothers me, the time... whenever i boot from windoze to eLive, the time variance is 5hrs!!
17:08.52roxvilleahhh odla ... you need to consult with LinuxNIT
17:08.56elmo40where is this change coming from?
17:09.24Smjorits probably your hardware clock going a little slow
17:09.44Smjorwindows compensated for this, but doesnt alter the bios clock
17:12.57odlaany ideas as to what i need to edit?
17:13.53Smjorwhat is the problem more specifically? is elive unable to find the card?
17:14.37odlaSmjor: yeah
17:14.44odlait's an orinoco gold pc card
17:14.53odlai know it's supported in debian and elsewhere
17:15.03odlait's complaining that device eth1 does not exist
17:15.29Smjorok, "sudo iwconfig" doesn't give you anything?
17:15.43odlai'm not sure
17:15.49odlai tried dhclient eth1
17:16.06Smjortry iwconfig
17:16.20odlaok i'll reboot and give it a shot
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17:25.36odlaiwconfig didn't work
17:28.52roxvilleelmo40, you can set your linux to use local time too, and not UTC...
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17:29.32roxvilleodla,  you need to talk to LinuxNIT  he's awesome at fixing the kind of prob you have
17:29.44roxvillehe has even written an app for it
17:29.53odla:)
17:30.14roxvilleplus, he's a very nice and helpful dude
17:31.21Smjorodla, did you get "no wireless extension found" on all cards?
17:31.35odlayes
17:38.54Elive_userhi guys
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17:39.09Smjorhello Elive_user
17:39.17Smjorbrb
17:39.38Elive_user-n amon
17:39.59Elive_usero.k. i'm areel noob --- how do i change my nick
17:40.54Elive_useris there anybody
17:41.27Boubatry click on youn name near where you write :D
17:42.09thinktry ---_/nick than your name ) (without ---_ and )
17:43.13Elive_userdoes not work, i allready tried that
17:44.07think--- /nick than your name
17:44.15thinkwithout ---
17:44.25Elive_useranyway i'd have some questions
17:44.46thinkK
17:44.53thinkshoot
17:44.57Elive_userfirst of all i'd like to have a working sources.lst
17:45.10thinkK
17:45.40thinktry in terminal apt-get update
17:45.40amero.k. i got it --- amon was no possible name
17:45.52thinkK
17:46.23thinktry in terminal apt-get update
17:46.33amerwhat means K
17:46.37thinkoke
17:46.46amerah, i get it
17:47.27thinkK
17:47.40ameri allways have problems with ftp://marillat.net or something like that
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17:48.16thinkif you go elive control panel
17:48.28thinkthan admin
17:48.33thinkKeys ICON
17:48.49thinkthan packages
17:48.57amerk
17:49.53thinkthan menu settings than repostitories
17:50.17thinkthan you can add your pakage adress
17:51.02thinkftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
17:51.27ameri knew that, i'm actually not a noob to linux, just irc
17:51.56amerbut thanx
17:52.05thinkwell im a noob to linux so other wise you can ask roxville
17:52.30thinkor linuxnit
17:52.31roxvillesorry... family stuff...
17:52.33amerhow long do u use it
17:52.42think2 weeks
17:52.51amerlinux or just elive
17:52.58thinklinux
17:53.12thinkelive first linux
17:53.24amerand which distro --- elive i guess
17:53.38thinkdebian
17:54.00amerpure debian? do you have x up and running
17:54.13thinkyes x server
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17:54.46amerthats really good
17:54.51thinkthanks
17:55.10amerwhy didn't u use ubuntu or some ppremade distro
17:55.23thinkelive looked better
17:55.45amersame thing for me
17:56.10Smjorappearences is everything:-)
17:56.14thinkwith elive you don't have to change anything to play dvd's or music etc
17:56.39ameryeah, i like their package collection
17:57.11thinkthere will be soon a stable version availible
17:57.12ameri have to leave now cu
17:57.22thinkbye
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18:32.36SmjorOk, does anyone know if the engage-module works in 0.5 b
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18:52.12bentejuyhi all!
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18:56.11wasynytso who's here
18:59.31wasynythuh... no-one :(
19:02.41tzulbertihi there
19:02.52wasynytgood evening tzulberti
19:03.06wasynytgood evening MetaPhaze_server
19:03.09wasynyt:D
19:03.15wasynythow are you people doing
19:03.19MetaPhaze_serverhi ya wasynyt
19:03.46wasynyt:D
19:03.52MetaPhaze_serveri'm good you?
19:03.59wasynyti am doing well too
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19:14.47wasynytgood evening cuerva
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19:26.35LinuxNIT-Iodla, you here?
19:26.41LinuxNIT-Iwelcome Elive_user55
19:26.57LinuxNIT-Iand howdy folks
19:27.02LinuxNIT-I:D
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19:27.31LinuxNIT-Iwasynyt, :o
19:27.41odlaLinuxNIT-I: hi
19:27.54LinuxNIT-Iodla, did you get youre problem fixed?
19:27.59wasynytgreetings LinuxNIT-I
19:28.01odlano
19:28.11LinuxNIT-Ibeen a while wasynyt
19:28.20LinuxNIT-Iodla, what exactly is the problem?
19:28.37odlamy wireless card doesn't seem to be identified
19:28.40wasynytyeah... i have been in army.. now i have holiday..
19:28.41odlarecognized
19:28.53LinuxNIT-Iwell welcome back wasynyt
19:29.01wasynytthank you
19:29.11wasynythow are you doing
19:29.18LinuxNIT-Iodla, is the card seen by iwconfig?
19:29.24odlanope
19:29.26LinuxNIT-Iwasynyt, quite well and you?
19:29.41LinuxNIT-Iodla, do you know what chipset it is?
19:29.44wasynyti am doing wel too
19:29.51odlait's an orinoco gold pc card
19:30.03odlait uses the orinoco driver
19:30.52LinuxNIT-Iwhat does modprobe orinoco say?
19:31.13odlai'm not sure...i'd need to reboot
19:31.19LinuxNIT-Iwait
19:31.20LinuxNIT-Iwhy?
19:31.25odlai've tried editing /etc/network/interfaces
19:31.29LinuxNIT-Iare you in elive?
19:31.37odlanot right now
19:31.46LinuxNIT-Iohok
19:31.49LinuxNIT-I:D
19:31.57odlaso should i try modprobe orinoco?
19:32.08LinuxNIT-Iyes that should load your driver
19:32.15LinuxNIT-Iboot elive and join here
19:32.26odlais that all i should need to do to get wireless working?
19:32.44LinuxNIT-Iwell then you have to set the essid and wep key
19:32.54odlai don't have any security
19:32.56LinuxNIT-Ithen you have to ask for an ip address
19:33.02odlaifup eth1?
19:33.07LinuxNIT-Iopen network?
19:33.09odlayup
19:33.11LinuxNIT-Iok
19:33.13LinuxNIT-Ido this
19:33.22LinuxNIT-Imodprobe orinoco
19:33.25LinuxNIT-Iiwconfig
19:33.44LinuxNIT-Iif you succeeded then one interface will have a bucnh of info on it
19:33.53odlaok
19:33.58LinuxNIT-Iuse that interface name
19:34.03LinuxNIT-Iwe will say wlan0 for now
19:34.06LinuxNIT-Iand do this
19:34.17LinuxNIT-Iiwconfig wlan0 essid your-essid
19:34.23LinuxNIT-Idhclient wlan0
19:34.35LinuxNIT-Iyou should be good to go after that
19:34.56LinuxNIT-Iif it fails can you connect with a cable and jion here?
19:35.11odlano i don't have a cable here...it's my landlords router
19:35.16LinuxNIT-Ioh
19:35.30odlai'll be back :)
19:35.31odlathanks
19:35.34LinuxNIT-Igl hf
19:35.37LinuxNIT-Ianytime
19:36.02LinuxNIT-Iroxville, i got my ass back to my computer
19:36.13LinuxNIT-I;)
19:39.32LinuxNIT-Iroxville, look whos back ---->>>>    * wasynyt (n=timo@a88-113-193-241.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has joined #elive
19:39.32LinuxNIT-I<LinuxNIT-I> wasynyt, :o
19:40.06wasynythuh :S
19:40.30wasynythmm i have talked with roxville earlier today
19:40.32wasynyt:D
19:41.07LinuxNIT-Ioh
19:41.07LinuxNIT-Ilol
19:41.09wasynytheh
19:41.10wasynytyeah
19:41.16LinuxNIT-I<<<dork
19:41.24wasynytheh
19:41.24wasynyt:D
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19:42.23LinuxNIT-Iwelcome Elive_user
19:42.27LinuxNIT-Igrrrr
19:42.34wasynytheh
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19:42.46LinuxNIT-Iwelcome Elive_user
19:42.55LinuxNIT-I:D
19:43.06LinuxNIT-Igrrrr
19:43.27wasynyt:D
19:43.36LinuxNIT-Iodla
19:43.46LinuxNIT-Ior however its spelled
19:44.30wasynythmm
19:44.31wasynytwhy
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19:44.50LinuxNIT-Ihes not back yet
19:44.57odlahi
19:44.58LinuxNIT-Iyay
19:45.00wasynytheh
19:45.05odla:)
19:45.10LinuxNIT-Iwas just talking about you
19:45.11wasynytwe were just getting worried about you
19:45.14LinuxNIT-Iso it worked?
19:45.40odlayup i needed to modprobe orinoco hermes and orinoco_cs
19:45.42odlaand it worked
19:45.51LinuxNIT-Iok then do this
19:46.03LinuxNIT-Iecho orinoco >>/etc/modules
19:46.10LinuxNIT-Iecho orinoco_cs >>/etc/modules
19:46.18LinuxNIT-Ithat will load them at boot
19:46.25odlaok
19:46.31LinuxNIT-Iand odla
19:46.47LinuxNIT-IBE SURE AND USE TWO >>
19:46.56odlaok :)
19:47.02LinuxNIT-IONE > WILL ERASE THE FILE AND START OVER
19:47.12LinuxNIT-ITWO >> ADDS TO THE FILE
19:47.19LinuxNIT-I:)
19:47.37odla:)
19:47.45LinuxNIT-Ibbiab
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19:52.11wasynytgood evening Logik`
19:53.46elmo40another question... what is a scsi CD drive? what does the cable look like? They much different then an IDE cable?
19:54.48wasynytyeah
19:54.54wasynytthey should be
19:55.12elmo40so the IDE is the 'normal' drive used?
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19:55.36wasynytyeah
19:56.02elmo40so i dont need scsi support in the kernel? Cuz i wont be adding any scsi drives.
19:56.50wasynythmm you should not need it.. if you dont have any server or scsi hardware... scsi is very common on server hardware
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20:08.09elmo40thnx
20:08.29wasynytyou are welcome
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20:10.35Logik`hello wasynyt
20:17.00wasynytgood evening Logik`
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20:20.15wasynytwelcome back LinuxNIT-I
20:20.25LinuxNIT-Ity wasynyt
20:20.59wasynyt:D
20:24.46elmo40evening?
20:24.55elmo40only 3 here ;)
20:25.03wasynyt23.24 here
20:25.12wasynytthats evening :P
20:25.47LinuxNIT-ISat Jul 22 15:25:51 CDT 2006
20:25.52LinuxNIT-Iget it right wasynyt
20:25.54LinuxNIT-I;)
20:26.07wasynytdamn you
20:26.08wasynyt:D
20:26.25odlawhat's scummVM?
20:26.27wasynytapt time
20:26.28aptYou are educated stupid and therefore too dumb to understand nature's perfect time cube! (2006.07.22 20:26:28 GMT)
20:26.37wasynythmm
20:26.49wasynytit is evening..
20:27.03LinuxNIT-Ihmmm nope
20:27.20wasynytwhy
20:27.52LinuxNIT-Icause i havent had dinner yet
20:28.24wasynythrh
20:28.27wasynyt*heh
20:28.28wasynyt:D
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20:30.37wasynytwelcome back odla
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20:59.27Rendergrafsaludos desde Venezuela
20:59.38LinuxNIT-Ihello
21:00.05LinuxNIT-Ihowdy partner, greetins from the USA
21:01.05RendergrafHello LinuxNIT-I
21:01.27LinuxNIT-I:)
21:03.43elmo40apt date
21:03.44aptIt is now 2006.07.22 21:03:44 GMT
21:04.16Rendergrafelive rulez
21:04.19LinuxNIT-I:D
21:04.30LinuxNIT-Iyes elive is awsome
21:05.25elmo40it is
21:05.33elmo40apt is elive awsome?
21:05.50elmo40hrmm... someone needs to add a whitty remark ;)
21:06.18LinuxNIT-Ilol
21:06.36Rendergrafhow config efect sound in elive?
21:07.19LinuxNIT-IRendergraf, do you have no sound?
21:07.53Rendergrafyes my xmms play sound,
21:08.24Rendergrafelive panel no sound efects
21:08.38LinuxNIT-Ioh
21:08.40LinuxNIT-I:o
21:09.02LinuxNIT-Ihmmm
21:09.15LinuxNIT-Iyou could close all sound programs and then run alsaconf
21:09.18LinuxNIT-Ithat might work
21:09.21LinuxNIT-Iim not sure
21:09.30Rendergrafi rulez LiveCd elive, and sound efects perfect
21:09.47LinuxNIT-I:D
21:10.18Rendergrafbut install elive sound efect for elive panel no sound :(
21:10.41LinuxNIT-IRendergraf, what version did you get?
21:10.50LinuxNIT-Icat /etc/elive-verion
21:10.55LinuxNIT-Icat /etc/elive-version
21:10.55Rendergrafyes i caonfig alsaconf, xmms good sound
21:11.34Rendergraf2006-05-25
21:11.47LinuxNIT-Ihmmm
21:11.57LinuxNIT-Ithe beta verion
21:12.02LinuxNIT-I*version
21:12.04Rendergrafyes
21:12.15LinuxNIT-Iwell a beta2 should be released soon
21:12.20LinuxNIT-Iim not sure why its not working
21:12.26Rendergrafall good funtion, only sound efect no.
21:13.09Rendergrafsorry my english is very bad...
21:13.45LinuxNIT-Idont worry
21:13.51LinuxNIT-Imy spanish is worse
21:13.53LinuxNIT-I;)
21:14.09Rendergrafvisit my web site http://www.rendergraf.com
21:15.18elmo40so, after i type   make, when compiling my kernel, is there anything before the make install? like a module something?
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21:16.35Rendergrafok
21:16.58LinuxNIT-Ielmo40, yes ... but im not sure what
21:17.10elmo40;)
21:18.08LinuxNIT-IMetaPhaze_laptop, ping
21:20.45LinuxNIT-Iadamant1988, should be.... but nothing is written in stone ;)
21:20.46MetaPhaze_laptophello
21:21.24MetaPhaze_laptopelmo40, to make a kernel and all the modules = make && make modules_install
21:21.50MetaPhaze_laptopelmo40, then cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot
21:22.25MetaPhaze_laptopif you use lilo type lilo if you use grub and you copied bzImage over your existing kernel you can reboot
21:22.48LinuxNIT-Ii think the menu.lst will need updateing
21:24.11elmo40MetaPhaze_laptop: much appreciated... just find many conflicting things online
21:24.18elmo40and too many for 2.4.x :-P
21:25.53MetaPhaze_laptopelmo40, np
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21:38.16bentejuyhola a todos!
21:41.08Rendergrafhola bentejuy
21:41.27bentejuyhola Rendergraf :)
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